Join hosts Andy Pate and Luke Cash as they take over the airwaves in a spirited discussion about New Year’s Eve plans and the contrasting views on gun ownership around the world. The episode dives deep into the cultural nuances that shape our perspective on firearms, using statistics from Honduras and Switzerland to fuel the conversation. Expect to laugh out loud as comedian Brad Upton connects aging with unexpected life events, reminding us all of the lighter side of growing older.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush once again. And I am joined by Luke Cash. Man. That’s right. Me? It’s just us. It’s just us. There’s no Tanner.
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No. There’s no Ashley. What are we going to do? I don’t know. There’s not enough masculinity to sustain the room.
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I know. We are lacking in masculinity. We are. We’ve got to get some pills or something. I mean, something to get us over this. Right. Let me ask you something. Are you planning big things for New Year’s Eve? Are you going to watch the ball come down or any of that stuff?
SPEAKER 15 :
The only big thing I’m planning on New Year’s is around 750 milliliters, so… That’s the only big thing I got planned is probably some drinks, probably hanging out. We’ll probably grill something up, hang out, have a good time. We don’t go too crazy.
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So you don’t go out to a party. You’re just going to fire up the grill. Right. Now, is it just you and the girlfriend? Are you going to have some folks?
SPEAKER 15 :
Some of the brothers, yeah. You know, maybe belligerently fire firearms indiscriminately into the air.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. You got to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Light some fires in the back acreage. Watch it burn. I think it’ll be fun. You know, small stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Well, I mean, you’re used to that. Like I said, the other day on your way home, the entire way home, you’re just shooting randomly out the car window.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Well, you, you know, got to keep property values down.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
It does work. It does work to do it.
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Yeah. I have to be honest. I’m old now, as you know, I’m very old. Yeah. Well, there are very, very, very few people on planet earth my age anymore, you know, because I’m incredibly old. It’s very true. Yes. And because of this, I just don’t do the partying anymore. I don’t get into New Year’s Eve. I really don’t. It bores me because I’m just not young. And I don’t know. I mean, I drank as a kid when I was in my early 20s. I still drank. And then I just lost interest. And now I’m just a boring person.
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Yeah, for as much as I like to joke about it, I’m also not super huge into it anymore. Like earlier 20s, like 21, 22, you’re just now legal to drink, so you go out and have a good time. I forget what the occasion was. Someone’s occasion. I was drinking a little bit too much. I was like, I don’t know. It’s just not – the love of the game is not there for me anymore.
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The love of the game is gone, Luke.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got to take it a bit easier. So we’ll keep it pretty mellow, I’m sure.
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Okay, well, let’s see here. I just want to play a quick clip. It’s from a guy named Brad Upton. He’s talking about getting old. Okay. And I like to hear this. Here we go.
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Life is for me now is a series of events reminding me I’m getting older. I was at the mall the other day in the food court. Several very attractive women walked past me. I realized I was looking at their food. Well, is that barbecue? See it again. Oh, you ever see those commercials on TV for the weight loss product? They always show a woman in her bathing suit, the before and the after picture. You ever look at that before picture and go, she looks all right to me. I got no problem with that one at all. I’ve been doing this one recently. I wake up in the morning, I throw my feet over the side of the bed and I’m sitting there and I’m thinking, oh, I shouldn’t have drank so much last night. I didn’t drink anything last night.
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It’s you, man.
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I just wake up feeling like this now. And I don’t know when this happened at my house. I realized one day the catalog for Victoria’s Secret no longer shows up. It’s been replaced by the one from Harry and David’s, the gift baskets. Trouble is, I look at it the same way. Oh, look at those smoked cheeses. I love smoked cheeses.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s pretty funny. Do you feel like you’re being preached to?
SPEAKER 06 :
I do. I do. I think he’s really connecting with me where I am at a heart level. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Yeah. I say, hey, I’ll tell him this much. Smoked cheeses are pretty good. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Do enjoy me some smoked cheeses.
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Now, you’re not a big football guy. You don’t like football, so you’re not excited about the games on New Year’s Day or anything. I’m not a big sports ball guy. Is your family, is your whole family this way, or just you?
SPEAKER 15 :
We got a spattering, some more than others. It’s a bit of a spectrum, and I’m at the very bottom of the not interested spectrum, and then it works up from me, kind of in reverse order, where the youngest is the second least interested, and then the next youngest is, you know.
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So on and so forth.
SPEAKER 15 :
Up the line until the second brother. And the second brother and those guys are pretty into it.
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All right. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Okay. We’re going to be talking, Luke, about a lot of things today, including some really good statistics that are going on with the direction of our country. Things like inflation. Things like, oh, crime. Crime statistics are looking wonderful today.
SPEAKER 15 :
I like stats. I like math.
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Yeah, I do too. And I got a little statement on guns that you’re going to like a lot, and I’m going to want you to comment on it.
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I’m excited.
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And later on in the show, we’re actually going to be talking about, is America a Christian nation? I wanted you on for this because you and I have different beliefs, and that’s why I wanted you here, because I believe in ways that you would enjoy it is. Okay. Okay. And let’s see here. We’re going to be talking a lot about, oh, we’re going to talk about Pam Bondi, a A lot of people are wondering why she isn’t busting the perps everywhere. Why isn’t the leftward half of America in prison right now? And so a lot of people are upset at her and Kash Patel and Donald Trump. They’re saying, okay, okay, you’re exposing all these terrible people. Where are the perp walks? Where are the orange jumpsuits? By the way, I want that too. I want to explain why some of that is happening. And so we’re going to have a lot of fun. Sound good? Sounds great. Okay, let’s take a quick break. When we come back… Now, I’ll surprise you when we come back. Up next is Veteran Windows and Doors. Go ahead, shop around, but don’t sign anything. Veteran beats national retailers by a mile, giving you more bang for the buck. They really do, folks. Give them a call. Call Veteran at 303-529-0720.
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country, reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back for us to recent Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. Man. Too much man for anyone to handle. Too much? Yeah. What can I say? Yep, yep. I want to talk a little about guns. I love guns. And crime. I hate crime. You hate crime? You don’t like crime? Well… Are you anti-crime and you vote? Depends. Depends on the crime.
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Depends on if the crime benefits me, in which case I’m pro-crime.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, you’re totally for that.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then if the crime… doesn’t benefit me, anti-crime.
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Like if you were to go into a store and you see somebody shoplifting and you go up to them and say, hey, you shouldn’t do that. And they say, but I’m doing it for you. I was actually going to get you this for Christmas.
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Then I think that’s fine.
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Are you okay? You look the other way?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Someone’s robbing a bank and they run out. I might even distract the clerk. Pass me a hundred bucks. Yeah, I’m totally that way. I’ll tell the cops you went the other way. Oh, absolutely.
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Okay.
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Just wanted to make sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I know, Luke, that there is no crime in your neighborhood because… You know, as you pull out of your driveway and come into your, you’re shooting in the air, the nonstop. So basically everybody lives in your neighborhood is cowering, afraid in their right.
SPEAKER 15 :
You can’t commit crime if you’re ducking and covering.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. And that’s why there hasn’t been a crime in your neighborhood for years, which centuries. Yeah. I think you’re doing a good thing shooting nonstop. And that’s expensive though.
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I’d say so. I’d say so. So if you want to support me lowering crime in my neighborhood, you can donate to my Patreon or PayPal.
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That’s good. That’s good. I will. OK. Thank you. John Caldera. You know who he is? No, I’m not familiar. OK. Libertarian guy here in town, runs the Independence Institute. And by the way, a hell of a good guy. I like John Caldera. And he’s also been on radio on a number of stations. He put out a post, and I didn’t know this, so I haven’t had time to verify it, but I do know that John Caldera, when he puts something out, I’ve never seen it not be true. Okay.
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All right?
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So I’m going to give you a little bit of statistics, and it’s brief. It’s a couple seconds. This is from John Caldera. By the way, this comes from patriotpost.us. Honduras, population 8.2 million. They ban citizens from owning guns. They have the highest homicide rate in the entire world. Switzerland, population 8.2 million. They require citizens to own guns. Lowest homicide rate in the entire world. By the way, everybody in Switzerland is neutral, so who would you shoot at, okay? I mean, nobody in Switzerland is on any side of anything. They’re all Republicans, you know what I mean? They like Pepsi and Coke. I mean, they wouldn’t even embrace that war. They wouldn’t go for it. So, Cold War has never happened there. Switzerland is always neutral, but you know what I mean. Look, I think there’s something really to be said for that. Same population, one bans guns, the other requires them. One has the highest homicide rate, the other one has the lowest. What do you think? Why is that? Because you are a big gun advocate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. I think there’s a decent amount of truth in those statistics. And I think you also see, when you’re talking about the gun debate, especially as someone who comes from a bit more of a middle perspective, such as I am, I personally, for reference, one of the positions I take a pretty hard stance on is I’m very pro-Second Amendment. Very, very pro-Second Amendment.
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Now, why is that? It’s not just because you enjoy guns. To you, this is a principle thing. Right. By the way, it’s the only area where I know you to have principles. Yeah, exactly. It’s very exciting. It’s very exciting to hear you say. I’m kidding. I’m kidding.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead. My stance on it is primarily from the perspective of, you know, like human inalienable rights. You know, I. impersonally non-religious, you can call them God-given rights, but it’s the right of you existing on this planet as a person. You have the right to defend yourself against those who would seek you harm.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so you don’t believe in God, but we’ll go with the closest thing, Charlie-given right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, Charlie Given Rights.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, fair enough.
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Go ahead. Anything close. You, as a, again, human being on this planet, have the right to self-defense. And you have the right to defend yourself with whatever tool you feel is, you know, needed for said defense.
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Okay, what do you say to people who come to you and say, well, wait a minute. More guns simply flowing around out there in society makes it more dangerous. Because let’s be honest, I’m going to give the devil’s advocate here. Absolutely. Okay. A gun can kill a lot of people much more quickly than a knife.
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Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. But although you can kill just as many quickly with a car plowing into a crowd, but setting that aside. Okay. They’re going to say. In a nation where you have such mental health issues, which I personally believe their beliefs have created a lot of them, but okay, where we have these issues, simply having these guns available out there is too dangerous. Yeah. And it causes, it literally causes the death. Go.
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I think it’s an argument you see a lot, and I want to make sure that when I counter the argument, it’s not in such a way as to dismiss the root issue. In the sense that, yes, there is a big mental health issue in America, and having access to tools to do harm is an issue in the hands of people who have mental health issues. But those who seek to do harm will do said harm regardless of the specific tool available. If you have it in your head that you want to go out and kill 50 people and you don’t have access to a gun, you’re not going to snap your fingers and go, oh, dang it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess I can’t kill 50 million people now.
SPEAKER 15 :
They got me. It’s already illegal to commit murder. They’re going to do whatever they can to commit said murder.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, really quick here, I want to jump in because – People are always talking about how afraid they are of guns or maybe bombs that terrorists might use. Right. And for good purpose. I mean, they can kill a lot of people.
SPEAKER 15 :
Scary things.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know what worries me the most? What if they put a bioweapon in our water supply?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, you’re going to take out a lot more people a lot quicker if you can figure out how to do that. I mean, no, I’m not giving people ideas, folks. I’m sure they already have these ideas. They’re bad people. But that’s what really worries me when I worry about evil people killing a bunch of people. Guns, I guess, is the easy way. But if you really want to kill a bunch of people, there are ways to do it much more effectively. And a lot of them do it. And how many times have we seen at these Mardi Gras gatherings or Christmas gatherings up in Milwaukee, remember that, where they’re plowing in, taking a terrorist or a domestic terrorist or just some terrible person is taking a car and plowing into a group. Right. I mean, you can’t outlaw cars. Right.
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No, you can’t – I mean, and murder is already illegal, right? And people are going to do it anyway. And I think the issue is very – it’s more unique to the United States of America in the sense that in a country like – I’ll use Japan as an instance because it’s one of the places I’m a bit more familiar with.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
They have very low violent crime, very, very difficult to get access to firearms, and then obviously they have no firearm deaths, right? You still have stabbings and other forms of murder. Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
But Japan… You also have a very different culture.
SPEAKER 15 :
Very different culture. And Japan doesn’t have the same culture as America, doesn’t have the same upbringing as America. America as a country was founded on this idea of individual liberties. We were a bunch of farmers with guns defending ourselves and gaining freedom against one of the largest militaries to ever exist. They saw the fault and were like, hey, let’s make sure that we have the capacity to defend ourselves against tyranny. Not a lot of countries have that origin. We do. So we have to operate under the very real truth of our founding. The truth is we have guns. We have always had guns, and it’ll be very difficult to get rid of those guns. So let’s stop trying to get rid of the guns. That’s not an option for this specific nation.
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Well, let me take one look again. I know Honduras and Switzerland, they have different cultures. I get that. Okay, I get it. But folks, the bottom line is this. In Switzerland, if you want to kill anybody, everybody can shoot back. I’m sorry, but that’s the big thing. What if? Take a second. And Joe, hang on for just a moment. We’ll get to you here. But what if, hypothetically? You have a bad kid at school, okay, on the playground. Right. Okay, we’re talking eight, nine-year-olds, whatever, right? Dangerous, dangerous nine-year-olds. Right, right, right. But he’s twice the size of everybody else. Nobody can even fight back, and he wants to do harm. What’s going to happen? He’s going to do an awful lot of harm until somebody stops him, somebody bigger and badder, right? Okay. That is what it’s like in all these gun-free zones when somebody goes in and shoots up a theater. Somebody goes in and shoots up a school. They always target the places where nobody’s shooting back. They target Honduras. Do you see what I’m saying? And they target their little Honduras near them. In this store, you can’t have guns, okay? They target that. In this theater, you can’t have guns. They target that. They do it in this school. They do it in all kinds of schools.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Gun-free zones are absurd to me. Again… Let me ask you this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Murder is already illegal. Okay. You like going to the shooting range, right? I do. How many shooters come in there?
SPEAKER 15 :
You get a decent amount.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no. I mean the ones who want to kill people.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no. None that I’ve ever seen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gee, why not? Why is that?
SPEAKER 15 :
I have a sneaking suspicion because they’d be turned into Swiss cheese…
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh my goodness. What a concept. So since you never see, I have never ever in my entire life heard of a mass shooting at a shooting range. And yet most people in America, I hate to say this folks, but independence people in the middle, politically in the middle, Unfortunately, far too many of them think that those people who go to those shooting ranges are violent people. Okay, well, if that’s true, if these are really the most violent people, they’re not, but let’s just go with it for a moment. If they’re really the most violent people and they’re the best armed people, then all kinds of people should be getting shot there, right? Yeah. And it doesn’t happen. Why? Because people will shoot back. Folks, it’s so simple. It’s so simple. More guns. More guns means less gun death. In general, that’s the case. And when you have people who pull up at Japan, they are totally ignoring the cultural underpinnings that produce that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, two totally different cultures. And again, there is a culture of owning firearms in America. There’s a culture of defending yourself against those who would seek you harm in tyrannical institutions and governments. You know, again, our founding came out of that. That’s so fundamentally different from every other country.
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And you can’t just say, well, I’ll tell you what, we’ll just get the Japanese culture. There are lots of things about the Japanese culture you would hate. Okay. Japanese culture is very socialistic. There are a lot of oppressive, rather not fun things about that. And by the way, there are a lot of great things about Japanese culture, too. What I’m saying is every culture has its ups and downs. And this whole freedom thing we have going here. simply equip people to defend themselves. And then you can’t have these madmen go into every single unarmed place and go crazy. It’s very simple. Joe Jersey, Joe, you’re up next.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I apologize for calling out. I know I’m going to be on in an hour and a half, but you’re not.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, this is your only time. I only let you on once a show. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll let you call it five to go ahead. Topic near and dear to my heart. Yes. Um, by the way, uh, you know, if, if, if you can’t think of two or three different ways to kill a dozen people in under two minutes without using a gun, you’re not very bright. Um, let me give an example. Uh, deadliest mass murder in, um, in United States history, uh, uh, Murrah federal building, Oklahoma city, gasoline, diesel fuel and fertilizer. Um, second deadliest was the, uh, Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx, New York. A guy got thrown out of a club, went down the street, bought two bucks worth of gasoline, came back, set fire to the steps of the club, killed 85 people with $2 worth of gasoline.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, how about terrorists for a moment grabbing a couple jets?
SPEAKER 09 :
A couple of jets?
SPEAKER 06 :
Going after towers.
SPEAKER 09 :
That was 3,000 people. 3,000 people. Are you going to ban jets? Last New Year’s Eve in New Orleans, remember what happened last New Year’s Eve in New Orleans? Yeah. Guy drove a car into a crowd, killed 14 people in under 60 seconds with his car. And going, and then in a hold my beer and watch this, a guy in Nice, France, I don’t know if you’re familiar with Bastille Day. It’s their kind of equivalent to our 4th of July. They had a street fair that people just won the street. Guy drove a box truck. into a crowd of people on a street fair, killed 86 people in under 90 seconds with a box truck.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s horrible. Really, really quick here, though, Bastille Day. I mean, which surrender are they celebrating? Every time I think of France, I’m sorry, I cannot think. Okay. But here’s my point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Have they ever won a war? No. I won’t even tell some of the jokes about it. French rifles for sale, only dropped once. Okay, go ahead. But here’s the point. If you think you can stop an evil or crazy person from killing lots of people simply by limiting their access to certain kinds of weapons, you probably also believe that you can make a balloon smaller just by squeezing it in one place. Guys, I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to give people ideas, but I can come up with two or three that are right top of my head how to kill a dozen, possibly even a hundred people without using a gun. But I don’t want to give people ideas. And if I can think of it, trust me, terrorists can think of it too. So this whole thing about guns. By the way, there’s a YouTube video. I encourage people to watch it. It’s called Number One with a Bullet. And it ranks where the U.S. stands in terms of our gun. Here’s one more stat. This country’s been selling roughly 20 million guns a year for the past five years. which would be 100 million additional. I think we’re up over 400 million guns in the hands of the citizens of this country. And we’ve increased that from 300 million to 400 million over the last five years. Guess what’s happened to the U.S. homicide rate over the past five years? Dropped. It’s down by almost 20%. So if guns, you know, people say, more guns equal more gun deaths. Well, if we’ve added 100 million new guns to the inventory of this country… Why are gun homicides down by almost 20% over that same period of time? There’s an inverse correlation between the number of guns and the number of gun homicides.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, it can only be one of two things, Joe. Either having more guns out there so you’re worried about people shooting back is the problem, or everybody has worse aim.
SPEAKER 09 :
By the way, they like to include suicides in that. And yes, if there is a gun in the home, it is a fact. If there is a gun in the home, a suicidal person will most likely use the gun if they have access to it. But here’s what happened in Australia. 1996, Australia, with a population about the size of Texas, passed this very, very egregious gun law, which included the mandatory, call it confiscation, it was a mandatory buyback. They confiscated almost a million guns in a country with a population the size of Texas. And yes… Suicides by gun went down, but you know what happened to the total suicide rate? Up. It went up. People simply switched to a different method, primarily hanging or pills.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Joe, I mean, pills. I mean, for crying out loud, just take too many of them. Take too many of them. I tried it one time, but it was vitamin C. I just got really healthy.
SPEAKER 09 :
But the point is, yes, if you want to skew the data by including suicides, yes. Fewer guns mean fewer gun deaths only if you include suicide by gun. But the fact that you deprive a suicidal person from access to a gun, in most cases, they’re truly suicidal. They’re still going to find a way to commit suicide. So I think we need to focus on homicide, and homicides are down dramatically. By the way, when was the last time you heard of a mass shooting at a gun show?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s what I was talking about earlier. At a gun range. Or at a firing range. Never.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ever. Or at a gun range.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they do it at schools. What’s the difference between schools and a gun show? Help me out here, Joe. Maybe I’m not getting it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you can’t have a gun in a school. You can’t legally have a gun in a school. which makes it a killing zone. Yeah, it is. But you can’t have a gun in a gun show.
SPEAKER 06 :
You see, this is why I look… And by the way, I’m going to stay on. I’m going to extend this segment a little bit here because I’m going to go to you, Luke, in just a moment. Sure. I personally believe… That we need to take a ton of the money away from, as you know, they, sorry, I’m stammering here, but I’m afraid. Okay, here we go. As you know, they were giving a lot of guns to IRS agents. All right. They were arming the IRS, which to me is a very scary thing. I would instead arm, you know, after training them properly, I would arm all kinds of school officials. Mm-hmm. And resource officers in school after school after school after school. I want every wacko kid who decides, gee, I’m feeling wacko today, to understand that there are going to be people shooting back and you have no idea who they are. And I want that in every single school in America.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are you familiar with the FASTER program, Andy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And I agree with it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, really quick here. I want to go to… No. Do we have time? Okay, I do. Okay, I want to go to Luke, and it’s about Australia. As you know, they had a recent mass shooting, of course, and a couple Muslims, a father and a son, decided to kill a bunch of Jews. Okay. Setting aside their religions for a moment, Australia decided to respond to this by banning more guns. Answer that, Luke.
SPEAKER 15 :
I surely when they banned guns the first time. Right. And then you have this mass shooting. There’s a correlation that like surely you can see the stats that your band didn’t work. So I don’t understand why banning more would work more. It feels it feels like a political stance. Right. It feels less about trying to solve the problem and more about trying to send a message is kind of the impression I’m getting.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and also, let’s face it, to a degree, you’re also trying to take the attention off the group that did the killing. The simple fact is, as religions go, and I know plenty of peaceful, wonderful Muslims. This is not an overgeneralization, but as religions go, more people are killed in the name of one religion than in the names of all the other religions on planet Earth combined. It’s just the way it is. It’s a very aggressive religion. I think that being politically correct, Joe, they were trying to take attention off of the people who did it and put it on the gun. So you get a twofer. Number one, you get to excuse a group that you like politically, and number two, you get to take away more rights. What do I think?
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re asking me, Andy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. I mean, what do I think about that? Am I nailing that or not?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, as John Rush loves to say, spot on, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Spot on. He’s never said that to me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Why is that?
SPEAKER 06 :
Ten years. No, he has. Okay, Joe, anything else, sir, before you head out?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I will talk to you at 5 o’clock.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll talk to you at 5 o’clock. I look forward to it. That is Jersey Joe. Let’s take a break, okay, Luke? Sounds good. Because I think we’ve beaten this dead horse, although to me it’s not. To me, this is all about freedom, and freedom is not. Here’s the big thing. Before we go, before we go. Sure, sure. You’re kind of a libertarian-ish kind of guy, aren’t you? I’d say. Semi-libertarian-ish?
SPEAKER 15 :
We’re around there. It’s the easiest one to… Yeah, fair enough.
SPEAKER 06 :
There is a large segment in young America that literally fears the freedoms of others. If other people are free, they are afraid of it. I think that’s the problem. I think freedom makes you safer. I do. I think freedom makes you safer. First of all, obviously with guns. I think if there are way more people who are carrying around me, I’m actually much safer, even if I’m not carrying. I believe that if people around me are able to freely choose what they want to buy and sell, I believe I’m going to have a much better life because of that. I don’t believe we should be afraid of the freedom of others, but I believe there are a lot of people who are. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think… Even if freedom didn’t make you safer, it would still be worth it anyway.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I agree. I’m just talking about safety. I’m saying freedom is its own virtue in the sense that people hold their values in different directions. And I think that that fear… comes from a place. And I think it shouldn’t be dismissed. It should be intellectually debated. Figure out why they have that fear and show them intellectually how, you know, how it can shift and change.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Freedom is its own reward. I mean, let’s face it. What if somebody could completely control everything you do in life? Put your body in a RoboCop outfit and they have the remote control. Not for me. Okay. Now, you’re going to be perfectly safe. Are you living?
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you’re not living. I mean, look at, and one more thing. Look at abortion. Okay, look at abortion. Obviously, I’m very pro-life. Okay, you know people who are very pro-choice. I think you lean that way. Although, I’ve never really asked. You seem like more of a middle-of-the-roader. But one thing I can say for sure, people who are pro-choice on abortion, the reason they’re pro-choice is not because they want to go killing a bunch of babies. It’s because they’re afraid of me. See, they see religious people like me and they feel that we’re going to control their lives and deny them something, even if they never want to use it. And that’s what they’re afraid of. Freedom is its own reward. Even people who disagree with me on an issue love freedom. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think you’re dead on.
SPEAKER 06 :
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Nice.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Luke Cash, the man who shoots his gun off nonstop in his neighborhood, scaring everybody to run into their homes, and there’s no crime there.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s no freedom either, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
You denied them all their freedom. That’s true.
SPEAKER 15 :
I have all the freedom. I took it all.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s okay, then. At least somebody does.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. More for me. To any law enforcement agency listening, this is a joke.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just in case.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are kidding. Just in case. That wasn’t clear. I do not do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Well, you know, speaking of jokes, let me play another little clip here. Oh, okay. Because I think that we need a new way of dealing with terrorists. As you know, I’m very anti-terrorist and I vote. Here we go.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that ripped the hair out of his chest. I really do. Because I’m going to punch him right in the face. In a Christian loving way, of course. Tammy says to me about a year ago, she goes, I want you to look into the waxing thing. That’s what she said, sir. I want you to look into the waxing thing. I honored my wife. I looked into the waxing thing. Came back and told her, get used to the pelt. It’s not going anywhere. Are you kidding me? Have we lost our minds as a culture? We spend billions of dollars to have somebody rip the hair out of our body by the root. That hurts. But we won’t let our federal government drip water on the faces of terrorists. I think the CIA needs to open up some spas around the world.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s all I’m saying. Okay, I just want to ask you, waxing chests. That’s funny. Should we do this to terrorists? I think we should. You know, I think it’s on the board. I’ve seen a few pretty hairy terrorists. And I think this could really hurt. I think we go for it. In fact, some of these terrorists, I’ve seen a couple. Now, I’ve seen some who were not hairy at all, but I’ve seen a couple who were very hairy. And I wonder, they’re so hairy, I wonder if you pull out the hair on their chest and pull it out, if it’ll come through and come off their back too. What do you think? Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a visual I wasn’t expecting to have on a Tuesday afternoon.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I’m just saying, look, look, look, look. As you know, I’m totally in favor of torture because, you know, not because it would do anything. I just like the entertainment value of it. Right. Okay. I’m kidding, folks. Popcorn and Coke. Yeah, once again, law enforcement, Andy is kidding. Don’t take him seriously. uh okay wax treatments for terrorism i think that this could go somewhere i think there’s a future in this i think we could stop terrorism worldwide what do you think i think it has potential i think it has potential can you imagine having that done no i’d rather not no who does this i mean is it people like guys who are like models like thor chris hemsworth right because you got to have Right. You’ve got to be totally smooth so it shows all the rippling pectorals, the muscles for the movies. Right. Outside of that, why would you do this?
SPEAKER 15 :
I know some athletes do it just to avoid some, you know, like ingrown hair, like swimmers do it. Other than that, I don’t know. I guess some people just like how it looks.
SPEAKER 06 :
You actually have a beard. Have you thought of doing this instead of shaving?
SPEAKER 15 :
Uh, I think if I thought about it too hard, I’d sob. I think like imagined it too vividly. I’d roll into the fetal position.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash.
SPEAKER 05 :
Man.
SPEAKER 06 :
And this clip comes from Fox News. I’ve got to be honest, folks, I forget the show. I’ve got so many clips. But Charlie Hurt was on there, and it’s talking about crime rates in Colorado. Sorry, Colorado. No, nothing falls in Colorado. Sorry, crime rates in America in 2025. Okay. And this is shocking. Now, as Joe said, as gun ownership has been going up, the homicide rate’s been going down. But it’s been edging down, not like you’re about to hear. Listen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yesterday, we announced on the Will Cain Show that the National Guard will now head into New Orleans as SCOTUS blocks deployment to Chicago. Well, this afternoon, Axios started reporting that the US is on pace for the largest one-year drop in murders ever. It’s unbelievable the drop there. And it’s not just murder, also motor vehicle theft, robbery, burglary, others down as well. I don’t know whether to be so astonished that President Trump has been able to get the murder rate down to this level or whether I’m astonished that the media is shocked that when you actually enforce laws, deport violent criminals, that the numbers go down.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no, it really does seem like an obvious thing. But what’s really extraordinary to me about it is the fact that we finally have a politician who has the guts to go through all of the opposition and and actually do the simple things. You know, these politicians love to talk a big game. They love to gin up division in the country. They love to. And, you know, one of the things that we hear from Democrats more than anything, every time a Republican votes or a conservative or even a sane Democrat wants to do something about crime, they get accused of being racist and all of the nonsense that we’ve grown accustomed to hearing. And what’s extraordinary here is that you actually have a guy like Donald Trump, President Trump, who’s willing to, you know, bull through all of that
SPEAKER 06 :
just ignore all of it and do what he knows is right and do what he knows is going to actually fix the problem okay and he goes on a little bit from there but here’s what really stuns me listen to some of these numbers get ready okay okay there’s it’s not 10 million numbers folks it’s five five numbers all right the murder rate is projected to decline from 24 to 25 by 19.8 percent it’s pretty good Holy moly, that’s almost 20% drop in murder in one year? That’s incredible. Robbery, down 18.3% in one year. Property crime, down 12.3%. Burglary, down 14.8%. And here’s the biggest one. Motor vehicle theft, down 23.2%. It’s pretty good. I mean, that’s shocking. Yes. That is absolutely shocking.
SPEAKER 15 :
Unfortunately, none of that motor vehicle theft down percentage is here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it isn’t. No, it’s everywhere else. Colorado loves… Car stealing is huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
We love stealing vehicles.
SPEAKER 06 :
With Mr. Polis sitting up there because he does nothing about any of it. Look… What are the reasons that you think, because clearly this is going from Biden to Trump, okay? Because if you were to look at the statistics and you people can’t see it, but Luke can right now, I’ve got my hand going in the air. You got basically aligned with this very, very, very slow decline. Then you go from 24 to 25 and boom. They all drop off a shelf. And might I add, folks, those numbers are probably not nearly big enough. Here’s why. In a number of these big cities we already know, in Washington, D.C., under Biden, a lot of this wasn’t being reported or it was being downplayed. So on a scale of 1 to 10, a crime that was an 8 was reported as a 6. A crime that was a 6 was reported as a 3. Another crime might not be reported at all. So actually, and this is suspected to have been going on in a lot of the major cities. Why? Because they had to make the voters happy and basically tell them, even though the voters could go out on a Saturday night and see shooting up, right, and see basically the world on fire and wonder, is crime really going down? They could come back, oh, yeah, the stats look good. The stats look good. They were fudging the stats. So even with fudge stats now, Trump comes in and the fudging of stats, a lot of it has ended. And yet the numbers still dropped off. Why?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that’s a good question. I wish I had a deeper insight into the whys of a lot of this stuff. I think famously, when you have a much more tough-on-crime person in the seat, you’re going to see crime decline.
SPEAKER 06 :
Like Giuliani when he took over New York.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. So I think that has to be a big part of it. Again, man, boy oh boy do I wish I had the big book of documents I could spend a month reading through all the numbers. But that’s what it looks like, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, let me throw out a couple things that I think are really affecting it. Please. First of all, simply, who is leading? As you said, you and I have talked about this before, about Donald Trump. Very offensive guy to the middle. Because you’re a lefty-leany. That’s what I call you. Mainly because it sounds good with Ashley calling her a righty-leany.
SPEAKER 01 :
It works.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can call you a lefty-leany. That’s good branding. It just makes me happy inside. The Republicans should take notes from you. Exactly. Well, but you guys are both in the middle. All right. And we talked the other day about how, you know, Trump’s comments on Rob Reiner were very offensive to the middle, like universally. Right. Like probably to 98 percent of the swing voters. OK, some ludicrous number. That’s not his strength. But when you got a guy who talks tough. like he does, even at times in ways that he shouldn’t. Remember, I said he’s a hammer, but not every situation’s a nail. When you’ve got a guy who’s always a hammer and is always just in your face, even over the top, even offending a lot of voters that he probably shouldn’t want to offend at times. Not me. I love him. But he does that. I think it brings an entirely different mood to the country. I think it basically says this leader ain’t taking no you-know-what. Whereas beforehand, Joe Biden was like the most anti- crime and punishment president we’ve ever had. I mean, what I’m saying is the stark difference is unbelievable, right? We’ve gone from somebody who, let’s face it, his entire family was a crime family. They were selling influence all around the world to criminal organizations, basically, or governments. They were criminals. And if you were a criminal, you were basically in with them. They were letting the entire southern border be invaded. Everybody could commit a crime, which is invading a nation, and nothing would happen. So if you can do that, why worry about any other crime? Why worry about any crime? Then Trump comes in. Mr. Over-the-top offends people he talks so hard. Total change. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think you’re right. And, you know, we use the word lefty-leany because, like you said, it’s good branding. It’s good marketing for the show.
SPEAKER 06 :
And besides which, you’re literally seated to my left and she sits to my right. Very, very correct. You’re more of a middle-of-the-roader.
SPEAKER 15 :
For as much as I am not a Donald Trump fan, and for as much as I have made that very clear, I also want to make it clear, I was not and am not a Joe Biden fan either.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, no. Gosh, no.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dude, drop the ball, if he even had the ball to begin with. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
You couldn’t stand him.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. I really did not like Joe Biden either. So I’m not a big fan of either. So I’m not like affiliated with or a fan of either.
SPEAKER 06 :
But Kamala, you loved her.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. I’m kidding. I’m joking. But I think…
SPEAKER 06 :
But that’s just it, though. You’re in the middle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. From someone who doesn’t like either. You can look at the numbers still. Right. You can look at the stats and the data and you can say, hey, one of these has worked better than the other one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. You’re in the middle and you couldn’t stand Biden. I don’t think a lot of the middle could stand Biden. I didn’t like him at all. OK. Or Harris. No. Because they looked at them and what they saw was this. these people are lawless. These people are absolutely lawless. Every time anybody commits a crime, the very first thing they’re looking at is what was their color? What was their political affiliation? If they’re a Democrat, we excuse it. If they were, I don’t know, black or Hispanic or whatever, we excuse it, right? But if they were a white Republican, nail them or even create a crime and nail them like they went after Trump with Russian collusion and things like this. They literally tried to create crimes out of the blue. Why? For political reasons. They’re lawless. So you had leadership that was lawless, and I think everybody outside of the hard left saw that. Now you have leadership that can be very offensive at times, not to me, but to a lot of people, but it’s lawful. I mean, these are very lawful people. You can say, well, I think he’s going too far with some of his actions overseas. That’s fine. But I’m just talking about how he runs the country. He and his kids aren’t breaking any laws. Okay. They’re not. You see what I’m saying? They’re not saying, well, gee, if a Republican does it, we won’t punish them. Yeah, they will. Right. They don’t care. And let me tell you another reason why. Sure. Because we’ve got about two minutes. Immigration. Okay. When you look at the most, the vast majority of crimes are committed by a very small group of people in every city, all right? When Joe Biden led in, I’m just going to say 15 million people. We don’t know exactly. The numbers were so unbelievable. But when you let in that number of people, you’re going to have a lot, most of them are just people, okay? But you’re going to have a lot of countries around the world, not a few, but a lot, who are going to say, well, we’re going to empty our prisons and throw those people in there, in the crowd going across. Why? Because we don’t want to house, clothe, feed, and guard them. It costs money. It’s going to make our lives way cheaper. And also, we’re going to get the worst of the worst out of our country. So you had countries sending a lot of the worst of the worst. Trump goes too far and basically acts like all the immigrants coming are like that. No, they’re not, of course. But because you had that huge wave, you could have those come in easily. Okay, so those come in. They’re seeded in all of our major cities throughout the country. Those are the people that Tom Holman is going after first, and he’s nailing them left and right. Two and a half million people are no longer in the United States who were, that have been moved out in one year. Big number. Yeah, it’s a big number. Of that, a very large percentage, I would say 30, 40% are criminals because they really targeted that group. Okay. I believe, because a very small group commits a lot of the crimes, I believe simply targeting those criminals is the biggest reason we’ve seen such a drop in the numbers. We’ve literally taken a lot of Tren de Aragua types out. And there’s just fewer of these repeat criminals. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think that makes sense. The numbers, like I said, you gave out the stats. I think the numbers don’t lie. Stats are stats. And even though I’m not a big Donald Trump fan, you can still look at the numbers objectively. And I think that’s evidence of success in that field.
SPEAKER 06 :
But you wear your hair exactly like his. Why is that?
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I think he stole it from me, actually.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was in New York in passing for maybe 30 seconds. I think he saw me in the distance. I was like, wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
I got to get that. Tell you what, we’re going to take a break here. When we come back, we’re going to talk about the economy, which is taking off. Okay. We’ll talk about that, but then I want to talk about, is America a Christian nation? And I believe in the right way that you’ll like, it is. Sound good?
SPEAKER 15 :
I look forward to it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, folks, that’s it for hour number one and hour two. We’re talking Minnesota fraud, of course. Oh, yes, Richard Rush is going to join us at, oh, no, no, that was yesterday. I’m sorry. We’re good. We’re in the clear. And we’re going to be talking about, is this a Christian nation? We’ll just go with that. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLC 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
Average guys. Average guys.
