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Okay, another edition. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Good afternoon, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good afternoon, sir. It’s good to have you back. Welcome back.
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Always a joy. Appreciate what you do while I was gone. Thank you very much. Got a lot to talk about today.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s good to fill in. It’s always good. But I didn’t know you were going to be gone. I spent two weeks. I came in. There was no job?
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Just wondering if I was going to show up.
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I was very confused.
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All right, we do this from time to time. Occasionally we get happy birthday requests from our listeners, and I should put this out there more often. Some of you that have even kids and such where you’d like us to mention, you know, happy birthday or something along those lines, we are more than happy to accommodate. So a very special listener and friend of mine, actually, by the way, birthday is today. And I should have mentioned this as well. My brother, my late brother who passed a few years ago today would have been his birthday today. as well. So it’s always kind of a solemn day. But no, happy birthday to our special listener. You know who you are. I try to not name names unless somebody, you know, wants me to, but this person would know who they are. So thank you very much. Thank you for being a faithful listener. and a good friend on top of that, and happy birthday to you, and hopefully you’re having a fabulous day. And again, for all of you listening, if you have anybody out there, and we’ve done this from time to time, I’ll get requests occasionally from different listeners where, hey, can you wish so-and-so a happy birthday or whatever, and yeah, we are here to help and to please and all of that, so yeah, if you ever have anybody you’d like us to include in something like that, yeah, we are more than willing to to help out along those lines and i’ve never turned that down so if you ever have a special request along those lines or even like a special event or an anniversary or a graduation or something like that and you want us to mention something on air uh by all means let us know we’re happy to do so oh yes always that’s what we’re here for we’re here for you i don’t know that all of you really understand that at times but we are here for you yeah absolutely we do this andy because we enjoy it and all of that but we’re we’re here for the listeners that’s how this works
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And that makes it more fun to celebrating people’s birthdays.
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Absolutely. Birthdays are great.
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Yeah.
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Hey, you know, celebrate the day you’re born. Absolutely. All right. Yesterday’s a possible question. Which leaders policies of of glass nosed and I can’t even say this right. Reshape. There you go. Gorbachev. Yeah. There you go. There’s the answer.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s a pretty easy one.
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Today, which medieval university is the oldest in continuous operation? Which medieval university is the oldest in continuous operation? That is today’s impossible question of the day. I would never guess this one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Medieval?
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Medieval. Meaning it’s been around since the late 12th century.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh.
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1,088 is when it began.
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Probably not CU, huh?
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Not CU.
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Oh, okay.
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Just checking.
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1,088.
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I mean, the U.S. was here, but not like it is now.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no, no.
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1,088.
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1,088. A long time ago.
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Before we came, did the Indians have some universities that we later discovered?
SPEAKER 03 :
Probably. I don’t know. Probably. They just passed things down from person to person.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, certainly we’re talking about something in Europe.
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Has to be, yes. Okay. Yeah, because, you know, as you know, that’s the oldest part of the world, of course.
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That’s where the university system was born. I wonder where that came from.
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Oh, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 11 :
The university system, the system of having these universities where people could go get higher education and become educated in a craft. And then it became required.
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OK, so here’s a hint. This was the first university in the sense of a higher learning and degree awarded institute. And it still exists.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so this would be the answer to my question.
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That’s your answer, so there you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
Interesting.
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All right, we’ve got a lot to cover. First thing we’re going to do when we come back, I told everybody yesterday that I would get Andy’s take on the gubernatorial races and things that are happening here in Colorado with some shifts that happen. I mentioned some of those yesterday, but I mentioned yesterday that I would get Andy’s take on that today. So we will do that just as soon as we come back. Up next, though, Dr. Scott is next. And, again, if you’re looking for – a doctor, a health care provider, if you would, that thinks like we do and has the ability to take care of you in a way that big insurance and big health care can’t. Look no further than Dr. Scott. His phone number, 303-663-6990.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, we got another special request for a happy birthday as well. And this person I know very well as well, have known her for quite some time. So Laura’s birthday is today. And Laura, on behalf of myself and Andy and Charlie, happy, happy birthday. She happens to be in the hospital right now as we’re doing the show. So she’s in the hospital for her birthday. But we will record this, and we have the ability to send this off online. to her via the right channels. And we will definitely do that because I’m sure she’s not able to listen to us right now. But Laura, thank you. And thank you, by the way, for just being a dear friend of mine and KLZ and Crawford and your family means the world to me. I’ll just say that straight up and appreciate all that you have done over the years. And Laura, happy, happy birthday.
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Happy birthday.
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There you go. So, all right.
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Yeah.
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Let’s move into, Andy, your thoughts on Greg. Let’s start with Greg. Well, hang on. Let’s do the positive side first.
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Yeah, sure.
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Because I think this really is a huge positive in what Mark Baisley did. Let’s talk about that.
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Yeah. When I saw it, I just about jumped out of my chair with joy. I agree. That is how good of a decision I think it is. Just so you know, Mark Baisley, for those who don’t know, is a wonderful guy who has excellent conservative credentials. He also appeals pretty equally across the spectrum in the Republican Party. So MAGA loves him, not as deep MAGA. The more moderate wing likes him. The far more conservative wing likes him. Everybody likes Mark. He’s a very likable guy. He’s a good guy. He is not a combative guy. He’s just a plus.
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He’s a great guy.
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Now, I will say the problem, the downside is he’s going up against a powerhouse in Hickenlooper. Okay, this is a very well-known candidate.
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Well-funded.
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Incredibly well-funded, well-known. He is known as a centrist, which he is not. He is obviously very liberal, but he has crafted a pretty good public persona as a centrist. So Mark will have his work cut out for him. But do I believe that Mark Baisley gives us a much better chance against Hickenlooper than a lot of other candidates? Yes.
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Absolutely.
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So there you go.
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No, I think to your point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good choice.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, to your point. I mean, are there other folks that I could pick that I think could compete with Hickenlooper as well as Mark? Quite honestly, that particular race, knowing Hickenlooper, knowing his personality, knowing that those two will maybe even have some debates and things like that, Mark can hold his own against Hickenlooper very, very well. Very, very intelligent man. Frankly, far more intelligent than John Hickenlooper is by a long shot. And I’m not saying that just because Mark’s my friend. That is the honest-to-God’s truth.
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No, he’s just—
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He is way smarter and can hold himself just fine when it comes to all those things. And frankly, I am like you. When I saw that, I’m like, oh, yeah, awesome. Good job.
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Right. And I think it’s going to be really important for Mark to do two things. Number one, he’s going to have to make sure that he has messaging that makes a splash, that is memorable. So he’s going to have to have a slogan that people remember. He’s going to have to have quick, effective, upfront messaging that people remember quickly. Why? Because otherwise he’s just going to melt into the fabric of yet another Republican candidate going up against a superpower here in blue Colorado. So it’s going to have to be really pithy. effective messaging that sticks with you, that’s provocative. And secondly, I believe he’s really going to have to make sure that he capitalizes on the economic boom that is probably going to happen in 2026 due to Republican MAGA policies. You can’t run from MAGA, but like you’ve been saying, you can’t embrace MAGA and say, I’m the MAGA guy. No, no, no. MAGA doesn’t sell in Colorado, but let me tell you something. The economic boom that is coming from MAGA principles will sell.
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What do you think? No, I agree. I agree. And Mark can craft that very well. He’ll be fine with that.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I believe he can. I’m just saying what he should do.
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And to your point, the biggest issue you’re going to have is we are a deep, deep, deep blue state, and he’s going to have to attract, like all of our races, our major races, going to have to attract that unaffiliated voter over to your side through talking about the things that really affect the state of Colorado in a positive way, to your point, and he can do that.
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Right. He needs. And this is how you do it without alienating your base. This is how you reach out to the middle without alienating your base. What do you do? You go to the people of Colorado and say, hey, we’re about to get four and a half, five point growth nationally. Wages are going up faster than inflation. We didn’t see that the entire time of Biden. I’m telling you, it doesn’t matter if you are a Republican, Democrat or independent. The things that are happening benefit you. I want you to have more of that. I want you to have more and more and more of jobs being created of the economy booming of trade turning around the trade deficit absolutely turning around all these great things. I want you to have more of less crime in your cities, which is happening largely because of ice. OK, you know, and he can craft that in a way. He can craft that in a way that people are going to like. I want ICE removing criminals off your streets. Guess what? They’re doing that and you’re benefiting. Look at what’s happening with crime in America. Did you know this, John? I reported on it while you were gone. 2025 is going to see a massive drop in like off a cliff in crime in America from 2024.
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That’s awesome.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Homicides are down over 19% nationwide. And car thefts are down well over 20%. And there’s just so many things. And you just say, look, guys, I like that these things are benefiting you. I want you to get more benefit.
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Right.
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What do you think?
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Well said. Perfect. Yeah.
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Self-success.
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Not that hard to do. There’s some great success stories to go along with that. And then, you know, again, being a senator from Colorado, talking about the things that you can do to help Colorado further itself along. Yes. All of those things are important.
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Yeah. You know, my biggest concern is not Mark. It’s our base.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. And let me just say a quick message to our base. Folks, he is having to reach a blue state.
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Yep.
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Please don’t ask him.
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Stupid questions.
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Well, yeah, and please.
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Sorry, I don’t know how else to say it.
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Mark Baisley is a conservative Republican, a good one.
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Yes.
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Do not ask him to be.
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Don’t corner him.
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A far right. What I mean is this. Don’t ask him to be a far right, Christian right, you know, get rid of abortion in all cases kind of guy. Get rid of, you know. You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 03 :
I understand.
SPEAKER 11 :
Bang the MAGA drum kind of guy. If you put him in that corner and demand that he become that kind of candidate, then you are demanding him to lose by 15, 20 points. Go.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, no. You are a thousand percent correct. And I was thinking the same thing as I was reading some other posts about different things with different candidates this morning on social media. Andy, the very thing came to my mind. I think, OK, first of all, folks, you know where some of these candidates stand. I understand that you want something, keyword, you want something. The problem with you wanting something versus wanting to win, therein lies the problem. It’s not about you. I know you think it is. But it’s not. It’s not about if you want to win and have a strategy of winning. This is not about you. It’s about that unaffiliated voter in the middle. And how do we bring them over to our side to vote for our candidate? And for a lot of you listening, I’m sorry to say this, but for a lot of you listening, you’re so hardcore in some of what you want. You’re going to pigeonhole candidates into places that, frankly, they don’t need to be.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. I mean, John, you and I hold hardcore beliefs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
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But I’m not running for office. No, and the big difference with our show is we’ve always said this. Guys, don’t look to make John and Andy happy with what your congressman does. Look to make the market winnable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, you’ve got to win the market.
SPEAKER 03 :
Otherwise, Andy, we don’t get to see a table.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, and here’s the beauty. Mark Baisley is the kind of candidate who can win the market. Even while he was running in the GOP, in the governor field, what did I say? The safest candidate, now they all have their drawbacks, but the safest candidate in the field, I said, was Mark Baisley.
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Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
And it is. Okay, well, now he’s running for the Senate. Folks, please let him run to campaign to the middle. Please. He is going up against a juggernaut in a blue state.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that will be, as I said earlier, extremely, when I say well-funded, folks, I mean extremely well-funded. The Democrats will funnel as much money, especially if they see Mark as a threat, they will funnel as much money into John Hickenlooper as they need to to make him win.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I’m not exaggerating when I say that, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And the reason I bring up abortion is because, folks, that is the number one issue that’s getting us killed in Colorado amongst the voter group of single women. Right. Okay. So let him come out and say, oh, abortion, that’s easy. It’s up to the states and Colorado. You know, the state of Colorado is making decisions on what it wants abortion law to be. That is to be made by the states. I agree with that.
SPEAKER 03 :
End of conversation. Move on.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s the end of the conversation. In the U.S. Senate, I have no more impact.
SPEAKER 03 :
But there’s others out there, some of you are listeners even, I’m sorry to say, you’ll want to pigeonhole Mark into giving more direct answers because that’s what your belief is, which, by the way, is great. It’s mine as well. But that doesn’t get Mark elected.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
It hurts Mark.
SPEAKER 11 :
Having Mark come out and say, I’m going to get abortions banned.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’ll never win.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, you’re not going to win.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a death nail.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and there are other things, too. I mean, look, you are going to want Mark to come out and sell the successes that are coming our way in 2026. In other words, look, crime is crashing down. The economy is soaring up and booming. That’s right. And around the world. Our international policy is selling great. We are becoming respected around the world. Look, win, win, win. Let him sell success.
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That’s right. No, Andy, 100%. And, okay, we’ll do this. Great time for a break. We’ll come back. Let’s talk a little bit about the other change that has happened of late. And this one’s a bigger one, so we’ll spend some time here on this one, get Andy’s opinions. Veteran Windows and Doors are coming up next. And, again, go direct to the source, save money on Windows and Doors by doing that. And you can do that by just going to KLZ 560, look for Veteran Windows and Doors there, and talk to Dave.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay. Greg Lopez. Yes, sir. Talked about this yesterday, and I’ll say this again in case somebody didn’t hear me yesterday. I like Greg. I’ve known Greg for quite some time. He’s been in Colorado politics for a while. Me too. put a U, unaffiliated, next to his name, and run for governor based upon that U next to his name versus an R next to his name. And I said this yesterday, I’ll say it again. Dumbest thing he could ever do. It will hurt us overall on the conservative sides of things when it comes to winning. If any snowballs chance at all we have of winning the governor’s race in Colorado, he just threw a monkey wrench into it by what he did and has to be one of the dumbest, most selfish moves. I’m going to say it for what it is, folks. One of the most selfish moves I think I’ve ever seen a politician make. And my prediction is, and I don’t think I’m wrong, his political career is now over. I agree. He’s done.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it is over. As I was saying in one of my posts, he’s going to now be a voice in the wind. He is anchored to nothing. And people can say, well, what do you mean he’s anchored to nothing? He’s anchored to liberty. Every candidate can claim to be anchored to liberty.
SPEAKER 03 :
That doesn’t mean anything. And really quick, for those of you that say that. No one cares. Yeah. I’m sorry. People, I’m being as honest here. So he’s speaking pro-liberty? I can be as honest here as I’m being as honest as I possibly can. Now, I care about liberty. I know a lot of you care about liberty, and I’m not saying it in that way. But when it comes to the voting populace of Colorado and who we need to vote for our candidate, no one cares.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Agreed. You know, and one of the things that’s really troubling about all this, John, is that some of his supporters are coming out and basically saying that he can leave the Republican Party, but still… participate in all republican event no you can’t you just screwed yourself out of that right look i’m sorry pardon my french there but no you’re not you can’t right okay and and the reason i say this john is as you know i spent a couple years as the vice chair for those who don’t know about this those were those republican events not just through the state or county parties but also republican entities entities that have the name republican right they are okay when they rent A location, that costs a lot of money. Right. Okay. So they’re running various venues and locations. Okay. They’re putting money into it. They are putting volunteerism to it. They’re putting efforts into it. Okay. Here’s the bottom line. What this means is this. The Republican base.
SPEAKER 03 :
The machine.
SPEAKER 11 :
The machine.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s funding all that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Funding and sponsoring these events.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you just took the R away from your name. Why would anybody that has a R next to their name want to fund you who has a U next to your name?
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And it’s not just because, you know, some of his supporters are basically saying, what, are you afraid to hear him? No, we’re not afraid at all. But if he wants, he’s perfectly free to speak, but he has to fund and sponsor. But not an event I’m paying for. He has to fund and sponsor his own events now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 11 :
He left the team.
SPEAKER 03 :
You left the ability to fund those, so go fund them yourself then.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Have at it.
SPEAKER 11 :
You left the team.
SPEAKER 03 :
Have fun.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because you basically, look, Greg, in so many words, and I love Greg, but in so many words, he’s saying the Republican brand is toxic in Colorado, and so I’m going to try and deal with that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, Andy, everybody’s entitled to their opinion. Greg, you’re entitled to yours, but here’s what you’re not entitled to. The money that would support those venues and things that you would now be speaking at, you just alienated yourself from that. You don’t get that opportunity any longer.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, you don’t get that anymore. And here’s the biggest reason why, John, the other candidates. OK, the other Republican candidates, the loyal ones who still have that R on their jersey.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now you’re just slapping them in the face.
SPEAKER 11 :
What an insult.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is a huge insult. Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
So here they are.
SPEAKER 03 :
One more thing, Andy. Let’s throw in other unaffiliated voters or libertarians maybe that have an L next to their name or whatever. So now are we going to allow all of them to come into our particular platforms and venues and so on and speak just because they might think like we do?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. You know, because here’s the thing, John. If you want to have a forum. And you want to have it be Democrat, Republican, unaffiliated, whatever, and both parties and other entities help fund it, set it up, arrange it, sponsor it. If you want to do that, go ahead. But that should be a group thing. But when you’re talking about these Republican gatherings, and by the way, there was one that was going to happen and has now changed. I’m rather…
SPEAKER 03 :
Glad it did because of you.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ll even say, I think it is, yes. It was because of me.
SPEAKER 03 :
It needed to change.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. And this was Eagle County Republican women, and they put out a statement as to why they were going to let Greg come, and they were going to let him speak. And they said, you know, no Republican has won the governorship since 2002. And basically what they were saying is the best way to win is to abandon our brand. And I put out a post, in so many words, I basically said, then why don’t you abandon it and call yourself the Eagle County conservative women.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, whatever.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, or libertarian women or whatever, right? Then you drop the label. If the label is so toxic, then you drop it. And I put this out on Republican pages across the state, and I debated people for about two hours this morning across the state on this. And just, I think in the last hour, hour and a half, they’ve come out and they have disinvited me.
SPEAKER 03 :
uh greg from that and which is the way it should be it is the way it should be and folks i don’t say this because i want to go after greg please hear this no it’s a principal thing i say this for the other candidates and for all of you that are principled which i hear so often i want to throw up sometimes yeah you’re all principled until it comes to a you unaffiliated yes now going to a republican event and speaking in it which by the way goes against all principles for the republican party so those of you that are principled how could you do that You’re a bunch of hypocrites.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because here’s what it means. Folks, you’ve got to put yourself in the shoes of these Republican candidates. They have remained loyal. They are loyal. They still have the R on their jersey. And then a Republican-funded and sponsored event… allows unaffiliated candidates to come in and recruit from your voter base. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why would you do that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. So you’re letting an unaffiliated candidate come in and literally recruit from your voter base away from you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
At a Republican-funded and sponsored event.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s ridiculous. It’s lunacy.
SPEAKER 11 :
What that does, John, is that insults their loyalty.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Basically, it looks at them and says, suckers, you were loyal. We’re going to just let anybody come in and recruit from you. And by the way, there was a Libertarian candidate—I don’t want to say her name— But she was from another part of the world and she was a libertarian candidate. And for a while, Republicans were letting her go and speak at these Republican gatherings and recruit from our team. Well, she helped create even more division in the Republican Party. I came out against it. Absolutely. And by the way, I don’t think they’re having her anymore. But here’s the thing, John. It is an insult to the loyalty of the Republicans who remain. And here’s the biggest thing. When you reward loyalty, you get more of it. When you insult loyalty, you get less of it. Do you want more or less loyalty?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well said, Andy. Well said.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, taking a step back and looking at the whole thing, well, it’s hard to sell a Republican to the state of Colorado. Okay, on that I agree. You agree. We both agree. Why? It’s a blue state. Folks, what is the answer? To abandon the Republican Party or to sell it better?
SPEAKER 03 :
Sell it better.
SPEAKER 11 :
To sell Republicans?
SPEAKER 03 :
Sell it better.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. You and I have been talking for years now.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have a great platform. Sell it better.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. We have not been selling liberty in Colorado at all. We demand it or we lecture on it. We don’t sell it. We don’t treat the customer like a customer. We go at them and basically say, give me my liberty here in Colorado. You’ve been taking my liberty.
SPEAKER 03 :
Give me my liberty back. We demand things, Andy. We don’t sell.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we do it on issue after issue after issue after issue.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Folks, it is our sales pitch that is driving away the middle in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Our product is great.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have a great product. We just don’t sell it well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. We don’t sell it at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob Duco and I talk about this on the podcast a lot. We don’t message well. We don’t sell it well. And this is nationwide, by the way, not just here in Colorado. But we don’t do a good enough job of selling what we have to offer. It’s just… It’s almost like – I’m trying to get the right comparison here, Andy. I explained Greg Lopez yesterday, and really I think Greg should have been GOP chair. That’s a whole other conversation. I talked about it yesterday.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, can I jump in on that for one moment? Go ahead. The reason I agree with John on this is not because I have anything against Britta Horne. Here is why I agree with John. Britta was part of the war. Right. Beforehand. Okay. She was, it was the Brita and Eli Bremer, you know, that group against the Rhino Watchers who control the Davidians who control about half of the state central committee. Okay. Greg Lopez was not involved in that war. So the reason Greg would have been a great choice. And once again, not coming down on Brita, it’s not her fault, but she was part of that war. So she had that baggage going into the position. It doesn’t matter if she is Jesus, the sequel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wouldn’t matter.
SPEAKER 11 :
It wouldn’t matter. She’s going to be hated by half the base.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, for those of you listening, I, through various channels— And I like Britta. Yeah, but I, through various channels, was able to get a message to Greg along the lines of what Andy and I are talking about, that, hey, the best thing for you to do would be, you know, quit thinking about this whole governorship thing, because I knew he was at that time. This was before the— the assembly and all of that. And I said, listen, the best thing that Greg could do, and I told several different people that had influence upon Greg internally, didn’t speak to Greg directly, but I got to Greg. In fact, I know I did because I heard conversations that I was in the background listening to that people were talking to Greg, suggesting to him exactly what I was suggesting. So I know the message got to Greg. And my gut feeling is, and I gave this comparison yesterday, Greg is like Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow was quarterback or nothing. Even though he could have played in the NFL much longer by switching positions and doing something else.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, he wasn’t going to be a quarterback.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, he could have been a tight end, could have probably been a linebacker if he wanted to, Andy. There’s lots of things Tim could have done.
SPEAKER 11 :
I like tight end, but yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tight end would have been very well suited for him. He could have done that easily. In fact, might even still be playing today. Hard to say. That’s been many years ago, so he’d be old today, but… But he could have played, let’s face it, many more seasons than what he did as quarterback because his style did not fit in the NFL as a quarterback at all. It wasn’t quick enough in a release. I don’t want to get into it a little bit.
SPEAKER 11 :
He couldn’t make the reads quick enough.
SPEAKER 03 :
It didn’t work.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, guess what? At tight end, you don’t have to make those reads.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. And if he had switched, he would have had a very successful career playing in the NFL. He didn’t want to, and nothing against Tim. He’s great, great Christian, does a lot of great things for the kingdom and so on. But I do feel like Tim’s one of those guys that has an ego that basically said, I’m either going to be quarterback or I’m not going to do anything in the NFL.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but I think your analogy is very apt. I think it’s very accurate. Greg was not going to be governor. And he certainly, you know, and by the way, he wasn’t going to win the GOP nomination. I think he knows that. That’s why he’s left. You know, here’s the big problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
But he could have switched to GOP chair and been very successful.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yes. And by the way, might have even.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let me go this far, Andy. That’s a two-year term. Had he been really successful, he could have easily done that for probably two terms pretty easily.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or more. Could have probably been GOP chair for 10 years.
SPEAKER 11 :
And by the way, it’s good living. It’s good money. And for all the Brita bashers out there, I just want to remind you of something.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I’m not bashing her. I’m just giving you guys my honest opinion of things.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no. None of this has to do with bashing Brita. Britta’s problem was the baggage of being part of the loyal opposition to Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 03 :
No more than if I would have tried to run for GOP chair, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because we can’t stand Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 03 :
Same situation. Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
It would have been exactly the same. Anything we did, anything we said would have been attacked by half of the state central committee. That’s exactly right. And that doesn’t mean Britta’s been perfect. I think it’s been a hellish position for her to be in. But here’s the bottom line, folks. For all the Britta bashers out there, nobody else stepped up. It was either have one of the Rhino Watch kooks or no one. Greg did not step up, okay? And you’re right. That is when he should have. That would have been the role for him. He did not do it. And so Britta stepped up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Would have been a perfect role, by the way, for him.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, Britta stepped up. Why? Because somebody else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nobody else did.
SPEAKER 11 :
Somebody who is not a Rhino Watch lunatic had to be in that position for a couple years. OK, OK, we got that. Now, going forward, here’s the biggest problem of Greg’s candidacy for us. He can only draw from Republican votes. Now, there are people out there, once again, advocates for Greg. And some of these are some of these are naive and some of these are flat out dishonest people. I’m just going to say it. OK, but what they’re saying is Greg is going to draw equally from both sides. Oh, please, folks. No. OK, let me give you some reasons why. Number one, Greg, his entire base has been built solely on the Republican side. He’s only going to draw from Republicans. Well, he was a Democrat many years ago, guys. That’s long. Nobody remembers that. OK. Greg’s base is solely on the right. He will draw some votes from the Republican candidate from that loyal base.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Number two, Greg’s beliefs are almost solely right-wing now. He has virtually no left-wing beliefs anymore. Okay. Number three, Greg is only trying to speak at Republican events. There are no Democrat events where he is trying to go and draw votes away from Michael Bennett.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Name one.
SPEAKER 03 :
There isn’t. Good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
There isn’t one. And by the way, there won’t be many because guess what? The Democrats are not dumb and they’re not going to let him come in and bash Bennett in the middle of the primary battle. It’s not going to happen. Folks, Greg Lopez will succeed in drawing some votes away from the Republican candidate. In that way, he is similar to Ron Hanks, which doesn’t make him like Ron Hanks as a person.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, but on the fundamental side, on the number side, it does.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Yeah, and there’s one guy who’s out there, and his name is Daryl, and he used to be the vice chair for the Colorado Republican Party. He had a falling out with Brita, and now he is actively advocating for Greg all over the state. Folks, you have to keep in mind, Daryl hates Brita. Daryl wants – it is in Daryl’s interest for Brita to fail. So for our candidate to have more votes drawn from them by Greg and to lose bigger – is is yeah i get it the feather in the cap of his setting all that aside okay anyway going forward going forward uh i agree with you greg has destroyed his political future he has it’s not going to succeed he will draw some votes and make it harder for the republican to win it’s going to be absolutely bad for republicans good for democrats he has become numerically speaking an ally of the democrat party in 2026 he has That is an absolute fact. Good point. And once again, I’m not saying I like Greg. I’m not saying anything negative about Greg. I like Greg. I’m simply saying the truth. He will draw some votes away from the Republican candidate, thereby helping the Democrat win. That is unfortunate.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, unfortunately, Andy, everything you’re saying is correct. I talked about this again yesterday. I saw the news, you know, again happen over the weekend. And again, this is not any type of, you know, Greg bashing by any means. It’s just simply relating to where we’re at in Colorado when it comes to, you know, the run for governor. And I have to look now and see with some of the changes that are made. At one time, we had about 20 candidates. I’m guessing now we have, I don’t know what, 16, 17, a few have dropped out. So maybe we’re down to 15 or so. By the way, far too many still need to really been at this point in time right now. Truthfully, my feeling is we should be down to three, four, maybe at most.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think this early I’m okay with five or six, this early.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you’re more kind than I because I look at the window of opportunity knowing exactly what we need to do to be unified as a party, and that’s still too many in my opinion.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but the reason I say five or six is okay for me is because we are still in that portion of time when the one or two or three frontrunners could have serious vetting issues come up and knock them out. And so let’s say you’re in the fifth or sixth position. Um, you are still in a place where if let’s say Victor marks. Okay. Cause I would say he’s the leading candidate at the moment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let’s say some serious vetting issues come up with his past. I don’t know. I don’t know his past that well, but let’s say that happens. Suddenly the entire field is going to go open wide up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which by the way, is another reason Greg shouldn’t have left this early. I think it was foolish of him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Um, Well, here’s my thought on that. I think a lot of the Victor bashing and, you know, he’s got this in his pass, he’s got that in his pass. These are a lot of people that just don’t like the guy. They want to make sure that their guy gets in, so they’re going to do everything they possibly can to bash him.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
My gut feeling is Greg is probably more like you and I in knowing that Yeah, if you look at this guy and his ministry and the things he has going on and so on, the reality is probably not going to be too much, you know, skeletons in the closet that come out knowing how much of a public figure he’s already been. And if those things were going to pop out, they’d already be out there. So the reality is probably not going to happen. So I’ll just go you now.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know what I believe Greg should have done, John? Because everything you just said was right, but the decision to go you is a big mistake.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I agree with that, 100%.
SPEAKER 11 :
What I believe Greg Lopez actually should have done is I believe he should have gone to Britta Horn. And I think he should have said, Britta, nothing against you. I like you. I support you. But the incredible division, because of your baggage, having been one of the leaders of the opposition to the Rhino Watch group… I don’t think you can succeed leading the party right now. And it doesn’t matter if you do everything right. I think the division is such to where we need to have a new leader. I would like you to step down and I would like to take over. Now, if you say no, that’s totally OK. I’m not ripping on you. This is not you. This is the set.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. This is the setup. That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I think we need a leader right now for the party in Colorado going into the 26 elections who is not who was not part of that war at the end of the last at the end of Dave Williams term. And I would like you to step aside and endorse me to take over. Now, she would be setting aside a paycheck. So, you know, there would have to be considerations there. I don’t know what. Okay. But I think that that would have been his best move. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
Agree. I hadn’t thought about it that way. No, I agree with you 100%. Yes, that would have been a better move than what he did.
SPEAKER 11 :
And if I were him, I’d be saying it’s through no fault of your own. And really quick, folks— This division is catastrophic.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’ll take a break and come back, but I’ll tell you why now, with what he’s done, he has committed— political suicide. Some of you are good friends. Some of you listen. I get it. And maybe you can relay this, but really at this point, it ain’t going to make any difference. I’ll explain what I mean by that as soon as we come back. Gold Eagle Financial coming up next. Look at your financial future. Make sure you’re dialed in. Al can help you with all of that as we head down this new year in 2026. Talk to him today. Go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, ending out this hour, and I said a moment ago what I’d tell you is why I believe Greg’s political career in Colorado and probably in a lot of places is over, is when you do what he just did and kind of at the same – not kind of. While you’re doing it, you’re bashing the party that you’re leaving, okay? Because in a way, that’s what’s happened. He’s bashing the party that he’s leaving. And really, he’s given a message that you don’t have to be loyal. I don’t need to be loyal to anyone. I’m going to be loyal to myself is all. And at the end of the day, that’s all I care about. Well, the problem with that is politics care. You’ve proven that you’re not loyal to a party, meaning you are now dead to that party down the road in the future, Andy. Right. You’re done.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let me give you an example. Danielle Neuschwanger.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. She’s dead to the party.
SPEAKER 11 :
She did the exact same thing. She tried to come back and she did come back to the Republican Party. How has it worked?
SPEAKER 03 :
It hasn’t. It hasn’t worked at all. Because there’s a bad taste in the mouths of all of those that were loyal all along. Right. And somebody that basically, you know, steps out, then steps back in. And for whatever reason, they feel like they can leave and just come back kind of like it’s a revolving door. Well, it’s not a revolving door and people have memories.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, and in a lot of ways, Danielle was seen as somebody who was going to be a rising star here in Colorado in the Republican Party. I mean, she was very libertarian in her views. That sells in Colorado. She was, I’m just talking in terms of sales pitch, folks, very attractive, very eloquent, very skilled, very ready to take that next step. But when she left the party, it never came back. Okay, now… Greg has been around for a long time. He was not the new thing like Danielle. And if she couldn’t recover from it, what makes you think Greg could? There’s no chance.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s not going to.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, he’s not going to. He’s not going to. And here’s another thing, folks, we have to keep in mind. The media here in Colorado, John, would you say it’s pretty left wing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, fairly, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. When it comes to getting quotes from Greg Lopez at this point, getting stories from Greg Lopez, what do you think the media is going to want? They’re going to want negative comments. comments about the republican party and by the way what andy just said is already out there yes it’s already in the press folks here in colorado local politics already talking about that way yeah local news sources i should say yeah greg is now as i said earlier he’s a voice in the wind now he has no anchor and the only thing that the media is going to want from greg lopez are going to be negative comments about the colorado republican party Oh, it’s very divided. Oh, it’s a mess. Oh, I just couldn’t run with that. Oh, whatever. They are going to want negative things, negative comments from him about the GOP. And that is going to be the only way that he is going to get any traction or as we call it, clicks. in the media atmosphere, okay? That is the only way he’s going to get any traction.
SPEAKER 03 :
And if you guys don’t believe me, here’s a quote. Call it a son, which, by the way, is a publication website here in our area that is extremely left-oriented. Okay. I mean, it is about as… Folks, it’s as far left as you… It’s like… It’s like the Huffington Post nationally only local. That’s how left it is. Okay. It is extremely left. Local HuffPo. I take a lot of things from them because I want to see what the left does. I read their stuff every day. So here’s an article that came out talking about both Baisley, now running for senator, and then Greg Lopez. Leaving. It says, you know, this is, quote, separately former U.S. Representative Greg Lopez, another Republican gubernatorial candidate, left the GOP last week to become unaffiliated. He’s still running for governor. Quote, both parties raise money better than they solve problems, Lopez says. in a video announcing his decision. They divide better than they listen. Lopez says he’s not changing his values as he leaves the GOP, but rather changing who I answer to. Leaving the GOP may make it easier for Lopez to get on the ballot. As a Republican, he would have needed to collect support from Republican insiders, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As an unaffiliated, he doesn’t have to do all that, etc., etc. Bottom line, they’re even talking about how Lopez was previously a Democrat, becoming a Republican in the early 90s, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So point being, what Andy just said about taking quotes from Greg and then jumping on that to really attack us as us that are on the right, that’s exactly what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah. Now, imagine for a moment if it were a Democrat saying all of those things. Both parties are divisive. Both parties are this. Both parties are that. Right. Which party is that Democrat really attacking?
SPEAKER 03 :
Us.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, the Democrats.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s true. Because they always thought that of us. That’s true. Good point. Good point. Right, right, right. Good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
And this is why the Colorado Sun enjoys this. Why? Because they really know that what he’s doing is damaging Republicans. Everything he’s saying about Democrats, he always said it doesn’t mean anything. Now you’re saying it about Republicans. And by the way, folks, it comes back to the word loyalty. Republicans. Right. Republicans who are out there right now and listening to my voice understand Greg Lopez, in that statement that John just read, basically said that you are no better than Democrats. You are just as divisive. That you have just as many answers or non-answers as Democrats. That you cause just as many problems as Democrats. That you are just as messed up as Democrats. Wow. There is no loyalty left. He is treating you the same as Democrats. Let me tell you something. You’re not.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, we’re not the same.
SPEAKER 11 :
The Democrat Party right now is robbing people in Minnesota. The Democrat Party right now has people following it, shooting up the city streets every weekend. The Democrat Party right now has been supporting illegal immigration, overrunning your emergency rooms and schools.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mutilating your kids on down the line we go through transgenderism and so on.
SPEAKER 11 :
The Democrat Party right now is okay with your kids being mutilated. Right. For an agenda. Folks, we are not the same. And it is awful for him to treat the two parties as the same.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t care that he still says, I still have the same values. Really?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you don’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
Who cares?
SPEAKER 03 :
Your loyalty just went out the window. You don’t have any.
SPEAKER 11 :
You have no loyalty. It just went out the window. And meanwhile, you’ve got over here a bunch of candidates who still have the R by their name. You may like this one, hate that one, but the bottom line, they still wear your jersey. They still, if you’re a Bronco fan, they’re still wearing that Bronco jersey. He is not. And he is treating you exactly the same as the other party.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s why, folks, again, my prediction, and I said this yesterday, and again, not trying to, you know, Andy and I are not braggers at all. Believe me, we are not. But we say it like it is. We seldom, and I mean this, we seldom, if ever, get this stuff wrong. You can go back and listen to all of our shows and look at the outcome of a lot of things, from elections to other things that have happened, even what just happened in Venezuela. You can listen to the things that we talk about, the things that we predict, and the reality is we’re not wrong often.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, we’re not. Boy, we’ve been on a roll, actually.
SPEAKER 03 :
We just are not. And in the case of Greg committing political suicide with his career, he just did that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s done, folks. And those of you that are close to him, and I know some of you listening are, I love Greg, but he has made a huge mistake that, frankly, is unrecoverable. I don’t care how many apologies he makes moving forward. He is done. He’ll never do anything politically speaking in Colorado, and I would venture to guess in any other state for that matter, because this will carry with him the rest of his career.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Let me close with this. For those who think that he’s going to make a big splash reaching unaffiliated voters, folks, he just lost. The Republican base is going to churn on him. And as for reaching the unaffiliated, he’s got to do that through the media. And the media is only going to want to hear what he has to say if he’s bashing Republicans. That’s bad about us.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right. Furthermore, one last thing I want to say. Unaffiliateds aren’t stupid. They understand loyalty just like I said because a lot of them, frankly, used to be Republicans. They went unaffiliated for whatever reason. But in their heart, they’re still Republicans in some case. Not all, but a good portion of them are. And at the end of the day, they’re still going to look at this and say, you know, what you just did is different than what I did. I wasn’t running for office. I decided to have a U next to my name just because I was sort of fed up with the party itself. But I wasn’t running for office. What you just did was being unloyal. Right. And he will not get their vote because of that.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, he won’t. And that’s the right-leaning unaffiliated. All the left-leaning ones are going to look at him and say— You’re a turncoat. You’re a churn coat, and by the way, you still hold a bunch of beliefs I don’t like.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I’m not voting for you anyways. No. So, folks, I’m sorry. He’s going to pull some votes away from current candidates that we’ve got, depending upon who that ends up being and who wins the primary when it’s all said and done. Andy said that correctly. And the rest of what Andy and I just said, believe me, folks, we are spot on. Paul Lumberger coming up next. Where you want to be spot on, of course, is with your insurance. Find out what Paul can do for you to help you save money when it comes to your insurance needs. 303-662-0789.
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All right, and we are back, about 30 seconds or so left of this hour. Two more hours coming your way, and we will have joining us Scott and Gilles at the top of the hour. We’re going to switch gears a little bit, talk about some leases that are happening offshore in the Gulf, also talk about Venezuela, since Scott’s a big oil guy. We’ll find out exactly what Venezuela and all of what’s happened there, how that’s going to affect the markets as well.
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John, Venezuela may be the single biggest move outside of his tariffs that Trump has made to reset the world.
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Can’t argue that. Hour 2 is coming up next. Folks, don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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