Join us on Drive Radio as we dive into the intricacies of heating solutions for your garage or workshop. Discover the advantages and disadvantages of radiant floor heating versus radiant tube heating. Learn firsthand from automotive experts about the most energy-efficient and cost-effective methods, ensuring your tools and vehicles are kept in peak condition no matter the season. We also discuss in detail the application and benefits of cove heating in spaces where floor space is a premium.
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Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening today. We appreciate it greatly. Myself, Steve Horvath, Geno’s Auto Service. With me today, of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Larry Unger, answering phones as well. So give Larry a call. Any questions at all, we’ve got answers for you. Hopefully we have answers for you. As I’ve always said, if I don’t have the answer, I’ll do my best to find that answer for you and get it back to you as quickly as I can. Typically speaking, while we’re on air, I can usually get that answered as quickly as I can. Ridgeline Auto Brokers, by the way, Justin just texted and emailed a moment ago that they are up there in the facility today. So if you guys are looking for any kind of a new used car, questions on a car, what’s the value of your car? If they’ve got a car that you would like to have that they don’t have, they have got plenty of inventory. Find out exactly what they’ve got. Just give Justin a call. As I say always, you can shop online at RidgelineAutoBrokers.com. But at the end of the day, give them a call. They’re there today on Saturday. I can assist you with whatever you’re looking to do, and off you go. Okay, last hour. Yeah, we do Fix It Radio before Drive Radio 9 to 10. So if you’re listening to a replay of this program, you know what we do on Saturdays prior to Saturdays. drive radio and we got to talking today about everything from flooring to heat to even shop heat and i had a question that came in a moment ago that if i was going to build a shop what do i prefer radiant floor heat or the radiant tube heat that you can put up above and i in my shop because i heated it long after things were built i have the radiant tube heat but i will tell you if i had the ability to do the floor heat in the floor itself building a shop would i do that I absolutely would, yes. Absolutely, Steve. And you’ve been in shops that have that, so you know what I’m talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or even the ones that tube heating you were talking about earlier, too. That just warms the objects, not the air. Right. And when you’re warming objects, it just retains heat. Your toolbox is warm. It makes it so much better when you’re grabbing a hold of something.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. So in that case, that particular text message question that I got in, and I did answer that text message question back as well. But for me, that one was pretty easy. If I had the option between the radiant, you know, the tube heat that goes up above in the ceiling and then it heats the objects is kind of how it works. It doesn’t heat the air so much as heating the objects. And I don’t know the technical way that it does that. I just know that it does because I have them in my own shop at home and I’ve had them in previous shops that I’ve owned on the production side. but yeah if i had my ability to build a shop from scratch and i could do the floor heat and the advantage now even is they’ve got the ability to where you can even use you know wood fired you know boilers and things like that where you can even save money that way if you want to and there’s all sorts of things you can do when it comes to you know even using waste oil depending upon the shop that you have to actually do things with it really comes down to that end of things so At the end of the day, you’ve got plenty of options when it comes to heat. Now, one thing I was going to throw out today is just, in general, the heating of even your home garage, your shop, or whatever, we have made such advancements, or I should say the world has made such advancements, that, wow, the ability for you to heat your garage at home is so much better than it used to be, and, Steve, so much cheaper than it used to be. You’ve got one in yours you were talking about.
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Yeah, and fortunately, mine runs off 220. which is quite a bit more efficient. You don’t spend as much electricity as 120. Right. So that helps quite a bit. So if you can have the option to go up to 220, that’s helpful. You need it in your garage anyway when you’re doing, if you have a compressor or if you go as far as putting a lift in or something like that.
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Right. Let’s do this. We’ll start taking calls today. I’ll get a question of the day rolling here in a minute, but let’s go ahead and start taking calls. Jerry and Greeley, you are next.
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Good morning, gentlemen. I’m calling on behalf of a friend of mine who’s thinking about getting a Ranger, and he’s done a little research, and he says that the 2018 and up 2.7 V6 EcoBoost engines in that Ranger use a wet belt to drive the oil pump, and he’s just curious if there’s anything to be worried about that, if that could be a problem in the future.
SPEAKER 03 :
I wouldn’t think so, no. I mean, would that bother me? No. In fact, over time, would the wet belt probably last longer than a dry belt? Yeah, because you’re not going to have the drying out and the cracking and so on because it’s constantly running. And believe me, they’re going to design that belt to handle the oil and the things that it’s running in, so there’s no issues as far as, you know, degradation and stuff. There goes Jerry. So would that bother me at all? No, it would not bother me a bit.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Well, that answers his question, then. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you’re very welcome. Yeah, that one wouldn’t bother me. Would I buy that car? Sure, wouldn’t bother me at all. And again, keep in mind, it’s going to have a warranty on everything to begin with. And yes, you’ve got to look at what you do outside of that. But you can pretty much look at the history on certain engines, that one in particular, find out exactly what’s its longevity like and so on. For example… The little three-liter Duramax diesels that are in a lot of the trucks and Suburbans and Tahos and such that are being put out right now. That’s an engine that, by the way, great engine. The one thing, though, that you have to remember is that about 100,000 miles or so, you’re going to replace the belt that drives the oil pump and such on that particular vehicle. And to do that, you’re removing the transmission because it’s at the back of the engine. Wow. Which, why did GM or why did they do that when they designed that particular engine? Guys, I’m not an engineer. I don’t know. I can’t answer that. I just know that it’s one of those items that if you’re going to keep that vehicle long-term… You just have to know that at 100,000 miles, you’re going to replace that belt. Or if you buy a used one of those, let’s say you’re buying one that’s got 60,000, 70,000 miles on it. You find a really great deal. You love the truck. Everything else on it’s great. You love the mileage the diesel gives you, which, by the way, is 28 to 30 miles to the gallon in some cases. So they work extremely well. Just know that at that lifespan, at 100K, you’re going to be doing that belt, and it’s not cheap. All right. Question of the day. I will not be here next week. Josh Goff and Ken Rackley, they’re going to fill in for me next week because I will be at the Barrett Jackson auction next weekend. I’m leaving Thursday, so I’ll be out there for the weekend and I’ll report back on all of what’s there and so on. So in honor of that. And we do this question of the day every now and again. If you could buy any classic car, or frankly, any car that might run through that particular auction, and money wasn’t an object, what car would that be?
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So if you had the ability to buy any kind of a classic car, or you could go to that particular auction, budget was unlimited, you didn’t have to worry about it. And by the way, there’s guys there that have that type of… world they live in they fly them in and or they’ll fly in on their own you know corporate jet or personal jet or whatever and that airport is extremely busy during that time and they will go to the auction and millions of dollars are spent on particular vehicles and i’m fascinated whenever that happens but anyways if you had you know that kind of ability what kind of vehicle would you actually buy 303-477-5600 you can text us the answer as well I’ll throw that up to everybody through the text line also. But Steve and I are going to be back here in just one minute. One minute, I should say. That is the question of the day. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. A couple of you commenting, by the way, on just engines and so on, and somebody made the mention that if an engine has cam phasers past, that they have issues with some of those things and so on. And, yeah, there’s some of the older engines, Fords especially, where there’s some cam phaser issues and so on. Although I will tell you that I think, and Steve could answer this as well as I, I think you’re going to be hard-pressed in today’s world to not buy an engine without cam phasers. a cam phaser because every manufacturer is adjusting that cam timing quote unquote according to what the engine needs are at any given time and the reality is i’m not sure steve you can buy an engine without that no it’s pretty hard to find and and they work wonderfully they do everything well
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The biggest thing is they’ve got to change the oil. Yeah, exactly. That’s exactly right. And you’ve got to not goof around with that.
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That’s exactly right. So, yeah, I think you’re going to be hard-pressed to find an engine without cam phasers. Now, again, some of them had a bad rap, and Ford had some issues early on with some of theirs, and I understand all of that. But, yeah, you’re going to be hard-pressed to find an engine without cam phasers today. Joe, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
John, in terms of heating your shop or garage, there’s a third option there. uh besides you know overhead radiant and uh if you don’t have hydronic when we built our tack room on our barn you know we didn’t have we didn’t have a boiler um and we didn’t want to put in baseboard heat because you know you have pack trucks tack trunks up against the wall and you got saddles and saddle racks and so we didn’t want to put baseboard in but there’s something called electric cove heat cove um you mount it around this perimeter of the ceiling about four inches down and it’s got an electric you know heating coil in there but what it does it creates an up as the as it as it heats the air it creates a natural draft and the uh the the cover has a curve to it so when the air when the warm air comes out it’s not going straight up it’s actually being kind of shot out across the ceiling and uh to demonstrate to my wife one time i lit a cigar and i i blew smoke at the wall And it pulled the smoke right up, you know, into the cove heat. And then you could see it come out across the ceiling. So cove heat is an option if you don’t, you know, if you haven’t put in radiant heat in the floor and you don’t have a boiler. Cove heat, again, you don’t want to tie up your floor space and you want to put stuff up against the wall. Cove heat is the way to go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And how do you spell that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Are you… Cove, C-O-V-E, electric cove, C-O-V, cove heat. And it’s, again, it’s a lot like electric baseboard, except you mount it on the wall about four inches below the ceiling. And as it heats the air, you know, the air, as the air goes up and out, it draws air in from the bottom, and it creates a nice natural circulation. You know, it kept, our tack room had two external walls And it kept that tack room nice and warm and toasty in the wintertime. Interesting. And that was the only heat we had.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good to know. I have not had any familiarity with those. I’ve never used them. And I’m assuming they’re electric, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it’s electric, just like electric baseboard, except you mount it on the wall about four inches down from the ceiling. And again, the cover, you know, the sheet metal cover has got a curve to it so that when the warm air comes out, it’s kind of being shot at an angle so it goes out across the ceiling.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, makes sense.
SPEAKER 11 :
And it just creates a natural draft. And you can Google it on the break, John, electric cove heat.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ve seen them in cabins and things like that, so I’m familiar with it as far as that goes. So that part I’ve had some experience with.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and there’s a lot of places, you know, if you put in baseboard, then you can’t put furniture up against the wall in there. You can’t put cabinets or anything else. So we didn’t want to have anything… that would restrict what we could put again. And, you know, we had a dozen saddles. You know, you don’t want heat coming off a baseboard up into a leather saddle. And, again, we had three, four, five tack trunks. So we didn’t want to obstruct what we could put against the wall. John, and we had that in place. I was there for 25 years, John, never had a problem with it. So, hey, can I ask you a question while I got you on the phone?
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Of course, absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s a car question. You got anybody that can answer the car question?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think we can.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right. How often should you change the coolant in your radiator, if ever?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you should. It needs to be done. Depends on mileage, of course. Typically, rule of thumb is about five years. But if you don’t drive a lot, you could extend that. But typically, people drive in that 12,000 to 15,000 miles a year. That five-year mark is about right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And if you’re driving more, if you’re driving 25,000 miles a year, what’s the mileage cutoff?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, cut that in half. So, I mean, if you think about that, if you do, you know, five years at 12,000 miles, you’re about 60,000 miles or so, which is about when coolant should be changed. So, in that case, you’re going to go about two and a half years.
SPEAKER 11 :
So, I’m coming up on 100,000 miles, so I might tell you right. So, I’m overdue, right? You’re overdue.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it needs done. Now, again, keep in mind, highway miles, and I always have to remind everybody of this, that person driving that 25,000 miles, they’re driving a lot of highway miles, meaning you can almost cut the mileage in half highway miles versus city miles because highway miles are so easy on a car. Now, on the coolant system sides of things, it’s still doing the cooling and so on. But you’ve got to remember, too, that, again, when you’re at highway speeds, even the cooling system, it just isn’t working as hard as it would be if you’re sitting still in traffic. Sitting still in traffic, all the fans are running, especially on a hot day in the summertime. You’re not getting the airflow like you would need. Where when you’re out on the highway, Joe, everything’s working perfectly. You know, lickety-split like it’s supposed to. Your fans aren’t even going to hardly run going down the road because there’s enough airflow coming in across the radiator and so on. So even then, you just don’t have the wear and tear on a vehicle with highway miles you do driving around town.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, John, would that change with the – for instance, on my Telluride six-cylinder – 75 miles an hour on the highway, I’m doing 2200 RPM.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, the car’s loafing.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, it’s… Yeah, no, that goes back to my comments about, you know, city driving versus highway driving. City driving, you’re running all the way up the RPM range. You’re doing that stop and go traffic. You know, every stoplight, things are coming down to idle. In some cases, even the start-stop is engaging. Well, then you’re gunning it and you’re on it to get to the next stoplight or, you know, merge into traffic or whatever the case may be, Joe, where… In your case, when you’re just out there on the highway and it’s sitting around 2,000 RPM and things are just humming along, yeah, there is not near as much wear and tear doing that as there is that stop-and-go in-town traffic.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I think the hot and cold, too. And should it just be a drain and refill or should it be a power flush?
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s machines we have now because we’re recirculating, you know, we’re capturing all of that old coolant as an industry anyway. So there’s hardly anyone anymore that does a drain and flush because of the recapturing of, and we recycle all of that today in the industry, Joe. So there’s machines now that we all use, and any high-end shop is going to put a machine on it and do it that way.
SPEAKER 11 :
And what do you feel, rough cost, John, just order a magnitude?
SPEAKER 03 :
The biggest cost, honestly, the biggest cost is going to be the coolant. I don’t know on that vehicle exactly what the coolant cost is, but you’ve got to be specific of the coolant or for the coolant for that vehicle, not mixing them at all. And in a lot of cases, the coolant cost is one of your highest expenses.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it’s around $200, roughly. Okay, Steve will know better than I. $180, $200 area, roughly. But like I said, the rough part is how expensive your coolant is.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. That’s the most expensive part, Joe.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, anymore, we’re not getting universal coolants anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you’ve got to be specific on coolant. It used to be you just stocked green coolant and off you went, but those days are long gone.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, gotcha. All right. Good to know, guys. It looks like I’m due then.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, get it done, Joe. All right. Appreciate you very much. Nope, that works out perfect. We’ve got time before a break. Go ahead, John. You’re up next.
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Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, John. Good morning. So, question of the day. It’s been my favorite car since I saw the movie as a kid. I want Steve McQueen’s Mustang from Bullet.
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Yep.
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That is a classic. And one of the great car chase scenes that’s not AI.
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Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Good point. That’s a good one.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know if you heard what happened yesterday.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, what happened?
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Oh, we had seven trucks that decided to roll over on their side on 25 and 80. Yeah, it was bad. We had 85-mile-an-hour gusts along I-80 between Cheyenne and Laramie. And my question is, and I don’t care, when are these truckers going to learn that if the wind is up, you can’t do the speed limit because you don’t have the control that you do when there’s no wind? Because they were all laying on their side, and a couple on I-25 and then four or five on I-82. Between, yeah, and we saw a couple. We had to go down to Fort Collins yesterday. We saw three going down, and then coming back last night, there were still two recovery, you know, two big tow trucks trying to recover one and about four more that were just laying there, probably waiting for recovery. Wow. Can I jump back to Fix It Radio? Sure. So real quick, and this might be Ready Radio, too. Thursday, when I saw the forecast, knowing that I’m going to have 60-mile-an-hour winds with 80-plus gusts, first thing I did is I grabbed a five-gallon container that I have that’s clean, and I put five gallons of water in it.
SPEAKER 20 :
Good job.
SPEAKER 10 :
Just in case we lose power.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, good idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
So, I mean, you can get one of those at any big-box store for $10, $15. That’s something anybody who lives rural should have.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right, good idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I wanted your opinion on this. I was looking online. And Amazon sells them. They’re a bladder that fits in your bathtub and can hold up to 100 gallons of water.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ve seen those. I’ve seen those.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, if you’re somebody whereby you’re worried about not having enough water and you would rather have, you know, how should I say this? I get filling up the bathtub. Not enough? Well, no. What I’m saying is I get filling up the bathtub, and a lot of people do it, and it’s great. I personally, you know, I would use that maybe to wash with. I would never drink the water coming out of a bathtub just because it would gross me out. So that’s just me personally. So the bladder thing for me, John, would suffice. And, yeah, you could drink it, do whatever you want to out of it. I mean, you’d have full-use water at that point. So, yeah, I think it’s a great idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And the other thing is if you do just do the bathtub, Remember, you can always boil it before you would drink it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You can. And I get that. And on the same token, you could do what you’re doing as well or even have some of the regular empty, you know, the other type of water jugs where people buy bottled water or whatever, you know, just save a couple. of extra bottles, and even if you filled them up with tap water, you could still drink that very easily if you had to. So, yeah, that part. But, yeah, personally, I think the bladder thing is great just because everything’s contained. You don’t have to worry about stuff getting into it. You’ve got nice, now potable water for whatever you want to do. I think it’s a great idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
One thing I want to mention, it’s come out in the backpacker community. A lot of the guys use smart water bottles. Instead of carrying bladders for their water, they carry two or three, whatever they need to carry to the next water filter. And it’s coming out that when you reuse those, they expel a lot of the plastics that are in there. So they say it’s not a smart thing to reuse those one-use throwaway water bottles. I don’t know how true that is or not. Me neither.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m looking at these bathtub bladders, and to just have one of those kicking around your house for an emergency, they’re $30.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I was on Amazon. Up to 100 gallons, $30.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, for that, to just put one of those in your closet somewhere, John, so if you really had an emergency along those lines and you wanted to, you know, again, have some nice potable water, great idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I was just looking at them.
SPEAKER 03 :
And when you’re done, if you don’t want to mess with any more, throw it away and buy another one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s true. Or you could just, you know, you could suck it all out. You could. Use a vacuum thing and suck out all the water so it doesn’t smell or anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the one I was looking at online came with a little, like, transfer pump.
SPEAKER 03 :
A little pump.
SPEAKER 10 :
I see that. Yeah. And you could also buy probably going – because they’re clean coming off the shelf in the box.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. electric battery fuel transfer pumps you see in like you could do that too sure great i know but on you know for all you know for emergency situations like what we’ve had where you know some some folks and again i talked about this on both ready radio and fix it radio did that last weekend even you know if you don’t have the ability to have home generation and backup and so on uh to have something along these lines fabulous week you know fabulous way to do it absolutely
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the way I look at it is if it’s going to be a power outage of six hours or less, do I want to drag the generator and hook everything up? And what I started doing is, you know, having it ready, know where everything is, make sure the generator runs. But I don’t want to drag it for a couple of hours. That’s why I was looking at that. But, you know, if it’s just me and the dog, five gallons will last us, you know. couple of two days maybe a little longer oh yeah and if at that point if the power’s out more than 24 hours i am dragging the generator over true good point to fire it up and do everything so yeah i just wanted to comment on that because i saw those and i was thinking about it after i did it on and i was wondering what your opinion was on those i had never seen them before i hadn’t either till you just said that great idea water storage or i went to amazon and searched water storage and they came up and i was like wow i wonder if that’s a great idea $30. I mean, that’s one of those peace of mind things. John, you guys have a good weekend.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, we will. You too. Appreciate the phone call. Yeah, for some of you listening, and again, this is really probably more of a ready radio, fix it radio kind of a thing, although it applies to a lot of things that we do on a daily basis. Yeah, having fresh water when you’ve got a big power outage, and for some of you that are in some of those areas where you would be more susceptible to that, yeah, by all means, not a bad idea at all. All right, we’re going to come right back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Thank you all for listening. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath, Geno’s Auto Service over in Littleton with me today. Larry Enger answering phones, and of course, Charlie is our engineer. Jeff in Montana, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, good morning again. Good morning. As you were talking at the end of the last hour again just a minute ago, or a bit ago, the apron, heating the apron in front of the shops as an ice melt is a great idea. I wish I could retrofit it to our house. But you have to make sure it’s not a separate circuit. Don’t just take the shop circuit and send it out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because I checked in my… You don’t need that outside heat at the same temperature. You put it on its own zone, basically.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, my basement runs between 100 and 110 just to get it up to temperature. It doesn’t run at 70. Folks don’t understand that it would take forever for that to happen. So it runs a little warmer than what you want, and then the pump shuts off when it gets up to temperature. So I’m not sure what it is for those. It’s probably somewhere around 45, 40, something like that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I could look at mine and tell you for sure, but that sounds about right, Jeff. I want to say around 40.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so there’s a big difference between heating your slab before you heat it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and for everybody listening, the way that works is all the boilers today are smart boilers. They’ve got the ability to know if a particular zone is calling for X, then it knows to heat to that. And they’re very intuitive as far as that goes. So very easy for that end of things, Jeff, as you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and even the mixing valves you have, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
You want to fine-tune that as well. So if you found that you’re right, actually icing up a little bit, you can just adjust your mixing valve and make it a tiny bit warmer.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not have to worry about the boilers.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
But anyway, that was just… Like I said, I wish I could do it. I planned that when I was planning to build my own house, and then life intervened and that didn’t happen. So I wish I had it. I really do. particularly as we get older, you know, shoveling that snow, ice on the concrete as you’re walking out to the car. There’s just all sorts of things that happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, no, Jeff, the older I get, the more spoiled I guess I become and the more I enjoy some of the amenities that are out there and looking back on it, wishing that I’d have had them sooner.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and I… Yeah, I think we talk about first world problems and a lot of them are, but as we get older, some of those first world problems turn into actual safety problems for us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, good point. Good point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Anyway, thanks a lot.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re very welcome, Jeff. I appreciate it. And, again, question of the day. For those of you that, you know, if you had unlimited funds and you’ve got the ability to go buy whatever you want to and you were at any of the auctions, whether it be, you know, Barrett-Jackson or some of the others that are out there and or just shopping around and you could buy, you know, any vehicle, what would that vehicle be? 303-477-5600. And I should – somebody texted me this and I should – pass this along. Remember, you can always watch between Barrett-Jacks and Mecham, and that’s probably the two largest auctions that are out there. They’re televised. You’ve got the ability to watch those on TV if you’ve got the right access, and you can look up where those are actually broadcasted at, and depending upon what service you have and streaming or whatever, you can typically pick that up depending upon where you’re at the time of the day and so on. A lot of times they’re rebroadcasted as well. And then, of course, there’s a lot of those whereby I think all of them have the ability to bid online. So you literally can watch. You get a bidder number. You can literally bid online. You can watch the auction from your computer or your tablet or your phone even in some cases and even bid accordingly that way too. So for those of you listening, yes, there’s a lot of ways where those auctions actually work, and there’s always somebody at the auction that is watching the auction online side and sometimes you’ll get a bidder on site and an online bidder going back and forth and it’s kind of fun to watch that because the online bidder they’re just as much in as a part of what’s going on that the only difference is they can’t you know physically see said vehicle although depending upon the vehicle they’ve probably got eyes on the ground and pretty much know what they’re looking at and so on and or they know the vehicle and and it’s not as big of a of a community there as you think they typically know these cars
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, and it’s probably gone through once or twice before.
SPEAKER 03 :
Could be, and they just know that car is there. And some cars, it’s funny, some cars, you know, guys will buy and they might do a few little things to it and then take it back through the auction and flip it again. And there’s all sorts of things that happen in the auction world that… that you really start to learn as you actually go to some of the auctions. But, no, it’s a lot of fun. And for those of you listening, I’ll have a full report of that the week after. If I get time next weekend while Josh and the guys are hosting, I’ll call in and give an update if I get a chance to do so. But, yeah, I will be there next weekend. And feel free to text me and ask me what’s going on, and I’ll answer like I always do. Feel free to do that. There’s no issues there whatsoever. All right, we’re going to take a quick timeout. Steve and I will come right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Steve Horvath. Nathaniel is next. Welcome to Drive Radio.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hello. Thank you for taking my call.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re very welcome. Thanks for calling us.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I am looking at purchasing a used vehicle. Specifically, I’ve been looking at Toyota. I’ve also looked at Honda or Subaru, things known for, like, higher mileage or, like, lasting longer. Right. And so my question is just, like, how high is too high of mileage to look at in that situation?
SPEAKER 03 :
um in that space like depends on your budget yeah several factors great question by the way and i get this one occasionally even you know off air uh nathaniel so great question so first off depends on the car depends on your budget depends on who owned the car prior and so what i mean by that is if you find a car that you can just tell somebody has done a really great job of taking care of there’s great service records on it it could have 150 000 miles on it and quite frankly if you looked at that car versus a car let’s say that had 75 000 miles on it that you have no records for you can tell that’s kind of been run around the block some and it’s a little bit beat up and rough and really hasn’t had a lot of tlc personally speaking i’d buy the 150k car before i’d buy the 75k car in that scenario okay
SPEAKER 12 :
And does that same rule apply at like $200, $250, that kind of thing?
SPEAKER 03 :
It does. You start getting over $200, you really need to start really being choosy as to what car are you buying. Again, was it all city miles or was it highway miles like I was talking to Joe about a little bit earlier? those things now start to come into play. And some would say, okay, John, how do you determine whether that car was used for highway miles or city miles? You can get a lot of that off of the Carfax report. Not that Carfax reports every single thing ever done to the car, but you get a pretty good idea even on registrations and things like that where you can kind of get an idea through Carfax as to how many miles per year did the vehicle end up having on it and if you get up into that you know 18 to 20 000 miles a year chances are that’s mostly highway miles rarely do you get you know i get it there’s some you know uber and and some you know doordash cars and things like that where they can get high miles by being driven around town but you can typically tell those cars by how they’re maintained nathaniel and how they look as well because sorry to say most of those cars aren’t your primo cars
SPEAKER 05 :
I have access to the maintenance history. And if there’s something that you want to do, you can give me a call or shoot me the VIN number, and I can kind of see. And I can get a good check on how it was maintained if they’ve reported. That’s the only problem is not everybody reports. Right, right. But you can get kind of a track record. That’s what I look for. Are they diligent people that owned it? Was it every $5,000? Was it every $6,000? Correct. Or did they miss? Was there some skips in that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. In a lot of cases, too, Nathaniel, even show things like brakes and tire rotations. Exactly. Where you get a really good idea of how well was this vehicle maintained. And, again, would I hesitate buying a car with that high of miles on it? No. It comes back down to, again, what am I looking for? What’s my budget? who maintained it and had it before, and so on. There’s a lot of factors on used cars that, quite frankly, you don’t worry about on a new car, because a new car is a new car. What is your budget, Nathaniel?
SPEAKER 12 :
Looking around… I don’t know, $4,000 to $8,000 in that range, top being $8,000.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re going to probably put some money in it. You are. There’s going to be things that are just going to break. That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
But in that price range, again, now this is one where you really, first of all, $5,000 is going to be tough. $8,000 is more realistic to get something that you’re not going to spend. No offense, you buy a $5,000 car, you’re going to put $2,500 in it probably overnight. $8,000, you probably won’t put quite as much in it, so when it’s all said and done, You’re actually better off buying a car for 8K than you are 5K because you’ll have less to do on the 8K car. With all that said, this is really where it comes down to, and I’m a big one on this, I don’t really care about make and model and so on. I want to know who owned it and how well was it maintained because that supersedes any make and model.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
It really does. And what I mean by that, Nathaniel, is we could have a Toyota Camry, which is a really great, solid car. But if that car isn’t maintained well, but I can go buy a Chevy Malibu that has been, I’ll buy the Malibu over the Camry. OK, even though typically speaking, the Camry is a better car. But in the case of this situation, if that car hasn’t been maintained very well and you can just tell by looking at it that it’s just been, you know, it’s just been road hard all of its life. And you can just tell by looking at it that, yeah, that’s not going to be a car for me. Then honestly, I pass. I don’t care if it’s a Camry or not.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, good to know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so this is one where you really, I’m being very honest here, you have to be more diligent in that arena than you do even going three times that price.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. So it’s more like who owns it and who maintained it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the other thing you have to worry about when you start getting down into that range is where did the car come from? Has it always been in Colorado? Did it get here some other way? If so, does it have other potential damage, flood, and so on? And those are things you really have to start worrying about when you look at the history of the car. And was it ever totaled? Yeah, thank you. Was it ever totaled out? That’s exactly. Did it ever have collision damage?
SPEAKER 05 :
Because that’s right in that price range where you’re going to find one that’s been re-salvaged or whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, salvaged title. That’s right. Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which I am against. Even though I know a lot of people and their budgets and so on, you know, the salvage thing works for some. Personally, I don’t think it should ever work for anyone because you’re buying a bucket of bolts. Okay. Okay. Cool. I would buy, for everybody listening, I would buy a 200,000-mile car that’s never been wrecked and salvaged versus a 100,000-mile car that has been, even though the mileage is twice as much.
SPEAKER 05 :
You can see those are 15,000, 20,000 and only two or three years old.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 05 :
But, you know, they’ve been hit hard.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re just rough. So, yeah, Nathaniel, this really does, and I’m being serious, it really comes down to who owned the car prior. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, great question. I appreciate that very much because that applies to a lot of folks that listen. And believe me, that is a tough segment to go by a car. And that’s actually harder than probably any other segment out there because you have to do more due diligence in that particular segment than a lot of others. So, Mike and Greeley, you’re next.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, hi, John. Thanks for taking my call. You’re welcome, Mike. I just had a quick question. We have a 2018 Subaru Outback, and the dealer is recommending to clean the intake and throttle body. Is that something that’s necessary?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, especially these days. No, for sure, if that’s direct injection. But either way, it should be done, you know, quite often, even 30,000, keeping those things clean. There’s a couple of different ways we do it. But, yes, I would do that. And I would, I mean, you could take it over to Pat in Fort Collins if you’re that close. He could tell you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he could do that instead of going to the dealer.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean. Okay, okay. All-tech automotive. I would do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And save money. Save money. Save money, get a better idea of exactly what’s going on, what’s really needed. And on top of that, what else might be needed? What’s your mileage like, Mike?
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s 80,000.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, at 80,000, I mean, I would be doing a full bumper-to-bumper inspection of that car. What else is needed? I would pull wheels, look at brakes. I mean, I’d be going through all of it at that stage. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
And could I just ask one other question? Absolutely. Okay. It was on the fuel mix-up you guys discussed last week. I was just kind of curious. They distributed fuel to King Soopers and Costco, and if it’s coming to the same distribution center, does that mean, I know Costco is top tier, does that mean King Soopers has top tier fuel also?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they do not. Oh, okay. They do not. So what that means is that those loads that were coming out of the terminal, and I had some pretty good explanations of this last week from folk, there was probably some sort of a computer, maybe even a software programming issue, whereby there were multiple trucks that were getting that load of fuel, and the mixture was wrong, and somebody programmed some things in inaccurately, and I think that’s probably what they’re going to end up finding when it’s all said and done. But regardless, Mike, no, not all of those stations were. we’re top tier and that top tier end of things comes you know out of the terminal itself and no king supers is not top tier okay okay okay thank you john great question you guys do no great question mike thank you very much i appreciate that george in denver you’re next go ahead george oh i was just uh updating from uh
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SPEAKER 03 :
That’s okay. And Paul will take care of you. You can call him on a Saturday. I do know this because I was talking to him yesterday. He’s going to the Bronco game. So if you call him during the game, he’s going to be at the game himself, and he may not answer during that time. But outside of that, George, he’ll take care of you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Great. Appreciate the help.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, George. I appreciate that very much. He and I were conversing yesterday about a few things, so I know he’s going to the game today, and it’ll be a little bit of a chilly game. Somebody asked me, too, am I going to do any pregame stuff on Drive Radio for the Bronco game? No, and you guys all know me from even listening during the week. As much as I follow sports and I know about things and so on and even played back in the day, I am not by any means a sports fanatic. And my son and Andy and others that I even have on air that talk about sports and who’s going to win what and what players doing what, where, when, why, how, all that. Guys, I don’t follow any of that. I do watch the games. football games i rarely watch any other game on television i don’t subscribe to any of the network things along those lines i typically have to go someplace to even watch a game because i’m cheap and i don’t have any services at my house because i don’t need it the rest of the year and i’m that guy and so yeah i won’t be doing any pre-game stuff today because i’m i mean all i know is the bills are favored to win by about one and a half points that’s about all i know
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, in Denver, it’s covered pretty good on the radio.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very much so. Well, and even here, even on my daily show, you hear, you know, my son and Andy, you know, they’ll go back and forth. And even my grandson was doing some pics and stuff yesterday in the Friday show. So, yeah, they’re very, very involved in all of that. And if I ever have a question, I’ve got sources that I can go to to get, you know, questions answered. You know, Andy and my son both, or sons plural, I should say. on what’s going on and who’s potentially going to win and was that a good call or not a good call. And I’ll text him even during the game sometimes because, frankly, again, I do follow those things and I will watch the game today. I’ll head out of here and go up and watch the game up in my neck of the woods. But, yeah, I am not by any means a sports fanatic and I don’t lose any sleep over somebody winning or losing. To me, the sun comes up the next day the same as it did today, and it doesn’t matter who won or lost. Yeah, it’s great to have your team win, but at the end of the day, do I – I mean, I care, but am I going to lose any sleep over the fact that the Broncos either win or lose today? I’ll be happy if they do. I won’t be sad if they don’t because, to me, it’s just a game, and life goes on tomorrow, and it doesn’t matter. All right, Hour 2 is up next. Don’t go anywhere, guys. Myself and Steve, we’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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