Hour 2 kicks off with John Rush and Andy Peth talking with Tom Joseph, founder of America’s Main Street Party, about a different way to nominate candidates—built around an online process, “Olympic-style” elimination rounds, and approval voting. Tom argues the goal is a free and equal playing field where voters—not donors or insiders—do the picking, with a focus on competitive matchups and gerrymandered districts.
After the interview, Rush and Peth break down the bigger question: does a new party (or new nomination system) actually fix anything—or does it just splinter the right while the left stays unified? They dig into
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Okay, welcome back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Tom Joseph joining us now. Tom, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 17 :
I’m doing great. Thank you so much for having me on your show.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re very welcome. You founded the America Street Party, so let’s start there. What is the America Main Street Party? What is America’s Main Street Party?
SPEAKER 17 :
America’s Main Street Party is not what you would typically think as a political party. We have no ideology. We are using a political committee to create a free and equal nominating system. And the idea is to use technology to deliver fairness and transparency. And we’re leveraging a loophole. The loophole is that if candidates don’t spend money, the thing that we really hate about how we choose our representatives, the political party can use any system to determine who that nominee is so we want to set up an olympic style contest that has multi-round elimination and uses an app and a portal where candidates can have a free and equal playing field to demonstrate to voters and have the voters actually choose the candidates not super donors not political insiders this would be a nominee that the voters choose and that person would go up against incumbents in red and blue districts equal numbers focusing on gerrymandered districts. The idea is to come up with a way to bust gerrymandering.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, wait a minute. An Olympic system has judges. Who are the judges?
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s a great question. So what we’ve done is we’re repurposing the U.S. political committee system in a different way. So our national party is this tech company. We’re using local committees that would be made up of citizens and locality to actually run this process. And if you think about now, political leaders are important because they choose representatives. Our political committee members are going to be administering a process, just making sure that they follow basically our guidelines and our standards to make sure that this is a fair and transparent process. Who chooses them? The committees?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Who chooses the committees? And the people. Yeah. How do you get people? What I mean is this. How do you get people into a position where they can judge these candidates? Because understand… Actually, they’re not judging. They’re not judging. They have no power. Well, somebody is selecting, whatever, over other ones. They’re not selecting. Okay. See, the big reason, one of the big reasons for money in politics, and I know people don’t like the idea of money in politics, but the simple fact is money in our country is an expression of freedom, financial freedom. And it allows people to have free speech and to purchase that speech freely. And when you… Say that there is not going to be any money limit whatsoever. That means that you can have unlimited candidates. So how do you not have an unlimited monstrous field from which people have to choose, which becomes a mess?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, actually, you know what? I have college students that come up with ways to do this. And it’s a system where we’re going to have seven issues that are going to be before these candidates that they have to weigh in on. And the voters are going to be able to weigh in on those things and match up against them. And we’re going to use a tool called approval voting. I don’t know if you’re familiar with what approval voting is. But during the first rounds, constituents will be able to approve multiple candidates. And they can do it. Because we’re Americans, it has to be lazy and easy. We want to come up with something easier than Wordle that people can choose and get down to a final four. And then once we get down to a final four, we see them examining this closer. But for those that are nerds and want to get into this at the early stages, we’ll be able to do that. But the nominating committee is just doing the things that the parties should do these days, like doing reference checks, doing background checks, making sure that what they present to the public is actually true. fact-checked. Aside from that, they’re not going to screen anybody. If there’s a criminal, they’re just going to say, hey, yes, this person actively reflected their criminal record. It’s up to the voters to choose whether that is criteria or not. So like an Olympic committee, these people are really just going to have thankless jobs. They have no power.
SPEAKER 14 :
But really quick, Tom, just to devil’s advocate, we kind of already have that vetting system with the two-party system that we really have that’s a Call it effective, not effective. It’s a system we have right now. And what I mean by that is if you’re running on one side of the aisle or the other and you’re lying and saying something that’s not true about yourself, the vetting process from your opponent, by the way, is going to go ahead and nail that anyway. So at the end of the day, that vetting process happens already. In my opinion, that’s not an issue in this country.
SPEAKER 17 :
No. Then why are 90% of the people being reelected? And I’ll tell you why. It’s because voters are lazy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sorry, that’s the biggest reason, really quick, is voters are lazy.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, money makes the primaries uncompetitive. Primaries are rigged. Anybody running up against an incumbent is running up against a machine, and these people sold out when the party whips come around and approve these mega bills. That is the deal. We are not represented in Congress.
SPEAKER 04 :
Couldn’t it be said that incumbents generally win because they’ve already been chosen before and people want their choices to be sustained? Okay. Generally, I mean, if I commit to anything, if I commit to a certain restaurant, I mean, if I commit to a certain restaurant chain, I’m probably going to want everybody to like that restaurant chain is what I’m saying. If people have already chosen somebody, then they’re going to want that somebody to succeed. That gives them a leg up.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s why the incumbents have such strength.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, there’s no accountability. I mean, there’s really, you know, these guys basically decide to run for re-election and they get re-elected. I mean, how do we hold them accountable if they don’t have a fair system? We don’t do this in anything. Nobody makes the Olympic team this way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the way – and as you know, the way the party structures have been done in this country for eons is each party sets its own structure as to how those particular primaries will be run and who can actually – in Colorado, for example, if you want to go through the caucus and the assembly process as a candidate, you can. If you want to petition on by getting signatures, you can do that as well. We have a couple of different ways in Colorado whereby you get to be on the primary ballot. And then to your point, have all of those particular voters vote for one of those particular individuals to win the primary. That’s how Colorado works.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, no, I understand that. And what we’re saying is that we want to do more than just an election system. We want to have a nominating system where people can get all the information they need. It’s a level playing field that it actually engages the voters to participate at a higher level than the public primary. We want to outdraw the public primary in the districts we go to. And we’re just going to focus on small numbers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, what is currently preventing people from getting the information they want on a candidate now? First of all, the candidate already has a website. You can go and see all their views. Secondly, they speak all over the area as they speak at these forums. What is preventing people from getting information on candidates now? I don’t see how the two-party system is preventing.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s really about that people come into the primary, if you’re an incumbent and you have you know, the commitment of, as I understand it, there’s hundreds of people across the country that will write that check of $2,700 to these folks that are party-backed and for somebody to challenge them because we basically make decisions based on advertising and advertising… Nobody in a primary is party-backed, or at least they’re not supposed to be.
SPEAKER 04 :
That did happen the last time around with Dave Williams here in Colorado with the Colorado GOP, but that was the first time in party history it had happened here. Generally, like currently right now with the current chair… She is not backing any candidate in any primary at any level, and neither is the entire team.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I will go in and check your candidates and see if they are not getting checks from around the country to back their primary.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sure they are, but what I’m saying is they’re not getting it because they are party-backed. They’re simply getting it because there are people around the country who believe that this person is a good bet.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, again, if you’re defending the current system, God bless you. There are things I would change.
SPEAKER 14 :
We both, Tom, would change a lot of things about it, but I am one where you’re going to have to really convince me that there’s a better system than the two-party system we have now that, by the way, can get enough legs to make a huge difference in a quick amount of time, because if that doesn’t happen, the two-party system continues.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, I mean, the founders really, this is Adam’s great fear, too. And, you know, there’s a lot of civil unrest. I think, you know, I did this because I want to be able to go to Thanksgiving and just have politics not be so political. And, you know, we really have to get back to this thing. You know, our country really worked best when we had four factions, when there was a liberal aspect of the Republican Party and there was a conservative aspect of the Democratic Party. And those factions bring balance to the system. And that’s what we’re really trying to do is create two factions that are not influenced by money that can be liberal and conservative factions that aren’t driven by party leadership. And I think there’s a lot of people in the country that would like to see that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t argue with you on any of this. I’ll tell you this, and I’ll leave you with this. Until you get Marxism out of this country through and through, our education system on down, Tom, best of luck. Because right now, what you’re working against in all of our parties is literally Marxism at its finest.
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree, but I think that the popular sovereignty should not be confused with Marxism. We want to give the people more selection. This is something that’s part of our founding principles that, you know, free me equal.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, not arguing, but keeping my Marxism dumbs down the voter. And unfortunately, that’s where we’re at right now. We have really dumb voters. I’m sorry to say we just do, Tom. We do.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, on both sides, on both sides. Our goal is to educate them.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK, so how do folks find you, Tom?
SPEAKER 17 :
At MainStreetParty.org, America’s Main Street Party. At this point, we’re going to get traction. We are coming out with a beta version where we’re going to have this simulated contest where people can engage with the app. This is a big paradigm shift and kind of understand how this is all going to work. All right. Because it’s a big divergence from what we’re doing now.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is, Tom. I appreciate it. Best of luck to you. If anything changes, please let us know.
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John and Andy, thank you so much.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re very welcome, Tom.
SPEAKER 17 :
We have a demo. I’d like to send it out to you.
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Sounds great. You can do that. Your folk know how to reach me. That’s fine. Just let me know, Tom. Thanks a lot. Absolutely. Have a great one. We appreciate it. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next. If you want to save money on Windows and Doors, go right to the source. That’s Veteran Windows and Doors. Find them at klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, and this is not to beat up Tom because I gave Tom the floor and want to be respectful of all our guests and so on. But I’m sure there’s people out there listening that are probably thinking, well, you know, not a bad idea. Or how do you make that fully work? Is there something wrong with our current two-party system? Some people hate it. Some people like it. Andy, it’s all yours.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, first of all, Tom’s a nice guy. I like him. I do, too. And I agree with a lot of what he wishes he could be.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. But there are some real problems with that. First of all, let’s keep in mind the most conservative nation on Earth has had a two-party system for a very long time, while all the places that have had splintered party systems go far more to the left. socialism dominates in almost all of those places. Did you know that? Yeah. Okay, let’s get into why. First of all, John, all the people who don’t like the two-party system are people who aren’t getting their way in the two-party system.
SPEAKER 05 :
True.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. And Tom, I don’t know about Tom personally, but I do know that I can guarantee you a lot of the people who are supportive of this are disgruntled Republicans.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are individualists by nature. Collectivists do not see a need for this. Okay. Collectives are always going to collect together. I’ll get to that in a moment. This is only going to splinter the Republican Party, and these people know it. Okay. Most of these people are people who have lost in primaries or various other factions within the Republican Party, and that’s why they’re angry about it. Most of the people who I have known, who I have met, now there are a few ex-Democrats, but most are ex-Republicans who are bitter.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
Democrats are collectivists. They will collect together very, very quickly. All right. Now, people, John, are always going to collect together in groups. Let’s get to why we have parties. They collect together in groups. Why? So that they can have political power. Why? Because in an election, you have to have 51 percent. Your one vote is one vote. You can’t just be a an individual in an election. This is why Republicans traditionally and conservatives, let’s say. want as few of things as possible to be determined in your life by elections. Why? As a voter, you’re very weak. You are one out of hundreds, thousands, millions. As a consumer, you are powerful. Your choice decides instantly what your destiny is going to be in any situation. I’m going to buy a Toyota, not a Ford. I’m going to buy a Chevy. You see what I’m saying? I’m going to go to McDonald’s, not Burger King. My choice as a consumer is all powerful. My choice as a voter is dependent on millions of people. agreeing with me now how do i get so first of all we should have as many things decided by consumers and as few by voters as possible why you are powerful as a consumer you are very weak as a voter this is why about half the people don’t even bother to vote right good point okay now what about things where you got to vote okay um why do people gather together political power they have to All right. Otherwise, you’re going to get overrun. If you don’t gather together into a powerful group, somebody else will. And you’re going to get overrun. See where that works? People will always collect together in groups. The more you splinter parties, the more the individualists, okay, the conservatives will scatter into helpless small pods, while the collectivists will still collect. And what are they going to do? They’re going to collect into a large group, the Democrat Party. You will see the Democrat Party lose very little money. when you do something like what Tom is talking about. Why? Collectivists collect together. Why? Let me give you a quick example, which we’ve talked about before. If you don’t want to smoke, what do you do, John?
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t smoke.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, because you are a conservative Republican. If a collectivist doesn’t want to smoke, what do they do?
SPEAKER 14 :
Force you not to.
SPEAKER 04 :
They ban smoking. Okay. The goal of a conservative is to control their own life.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Not someone else’s.
SPEAKER 04 :
The goal of a collectivist is to control other people’s lives.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you see where I’m going with this? To control other people’s lives, you have to collect together more people to do it. Right. An individualist doesn’t by nature think that way. Now, when you have a two-party system, us and them, it becomes very clear. We have one party versus another party. And therefore, the individualists can gather together much more into what? The one party that opposes the collectivists. If you splinter that and have more parties… The collectivists are still going to gather together into the more powerful group, while the individualists are going to splinter much more. They’re going to be much more ready to splinter. Does that make sense? Okay. In Europe, you have far more political parties. Has it fixed Europe? Or are they much more socialist and broken than we have been? Do you see where I’m going with this? I see exactly where you’re going. Okay. What I’m saying is this. There’s a reason I love the two-party system and people who want a third, fourth, fifth party or who want no parties. What they are really doing is empowering collectivists to overrun the individualists. And that’s what’s going to happen. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it makes total sense.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sorry for the long answer, but I had to lay that out.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you’re spot on. And I think where folks will come and say, well, what about this country that has four or five parties? What about it? They’re usually a disaster. Go look at how they’re run, and they’re not run very efficiently at all, Andy. It’s a disaster.
SPEAKER 04 :
And any time it works, it only works for a short period of time, and then it falls apart. Here in America, we have maintained the most liberty of any nation on earth. And we have had two-party system dominance for the longest period of any nation on earth.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I understand.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, that also happened when the Republican Party replaced the Whigs.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And really quick, I understand even Tom’s of the world talking about how the founding fathers weren’t big on party systems and so on. And no, they were not. I get that. I know that they were not into all of that. But I think they also knew that it was probably inevitable. And they hoped and I’ve read this. They hoped that the system that we had. our different branches of government and so on would be such that whether we had a two three four party system it would still be strong enough to keep things moving forward and to their credit they did that right yeah because it has right correct now here’s yeah and by the way let me tell you one other thing collectivists do collectivists love to back and empower people like tom
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, because collectivists know that their side is going to collect together when it matters. OK, and they’re going to vote as a voting bloc. They know that. And so what they do is they back things like the no name party. You heard about that one, right? They back the no parties. They back third, fourth, fifth, sixth parties and all this collectivist love. To support those things, even if they know that they’re all going to vote Democrat.
SPEAKER 05 :
Why?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they know the other side will very quickly splinter. Why? Because individualists don’t like to run as a herd. Right. See, Republicans are cats, okay? This is why I feel bad for every Colorado GOP chair, even Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because it’s like herding cats.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s like herding cats.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is. I get that. Because we’re independent thinkers. We’re doing our own thing. We’re not herd animals like dogs are.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, or let’s make it even more. They’re cattle. The left is cattle.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s even better. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
You can herd them. They love fences. They love being restricted. They love having people put masks on them and limit their lifestyle in any way, shape, or form for whatever cause. They love it. They don’t care. Limit me completely. heard me, heard me into public schools and tell me what to believe. They love that lifestyle. Republicans and conservatives hate that lifestyle. But because of that, they will very quickly turn on their own leaders and their own candidates very quickly. Democrats rally behind theirs. Republicans turn on their candidates at the drop of a pen. They do. You’re right. We are not going to be as unified to begin with. And so when you see a group like this, like Tom – and by the way, he may have wonderful things in mind. And I agree. I understand that.
SPEAKER 14 :
And by the way, when he sends us the app and so on, Andy and I both will look at that and we’ll check it out and we’ll give you guys some input on that. We may even get him back on. I mean, again, I’m not against guys like Tom in any way, shape, or form. It’s just me personally – Until something comes along that works better than what we have now, I’m with Andy. And the reality is we don’t have anything better at this point. Not with enough momentum to make any change.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, because unless you have a two-party system, there’s nothing that is going to group the individualists together without having the collectivists all in one place to be opposed.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, the fear is if you get too much of a splinter with what we have right now, it’s already hard for us to win on the right, Andy. You splinter that any further, we’re done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Because guess what? All these people, these are people who moved into Colorado. Colorado got overwhelmed by blue state voters. Well, they came from blue states. They must have seen the failure. That’s why they left there to come here.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re not that smart.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they’re still collectivists.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. They’re not that smart, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they don’t care. Look, they are locusts. They ate that place to death. Now they want to come to a new field and eat this one.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t care. Okay. They don’t build. They consume. They devour. Okay. And this is what they are. And look, what I can guarantee you is this with Tom’s group. Okay. I can guarantee you. I’m not saying Tom. I’m saying there are collectivists who are backing it because they know it will only splinter the right.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And anything else you want to recap along those lines before I go to my next topic, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. I hit everything. Well, I’ll just ask this. Was I too harsh? No. I know a lot of people think that I’m like this Republican insider, and I want people to understand, look, I was raised as a Democrat. Now I’m a Republican. And there was a transition between the two. I understand the desire for third, fourth, fifth options. Correct. But do you agree it’s only going to splinter the right far more than the left?
SPEAKER 14 :
And a lot of that has to do with the way of thinking on each side of the party. Andy’s description a moment ago about one side being cattle and the other side being cats is very true. You know, it’s hard to get cats collectively together on the same page, doing the same thing, moving the same direction because they’re independent thinkers. Where the other side, actually, I think I even go one step further with the other side. They’re not even cattle. They’re sheep. Because sheep are dumb and will literally follow one sheep off a cliff after the other, after the other, after the other. That’s why God compares us to sheep in the Bible, because honestly, we’re stupid at the end of the day. Well, I just described the Democrat Party.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, look at California. Look at their economy. They don’t follow each other off a cliff. They’re going off a cliff.
SPEAKER 14 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t care because this is the approved way to go. By the way, John, once again, choice power, choice control, okay? Yeah. We as conservatives believe in choice, which is liberty, which is freedom. Same thing. They’re all the same word, folks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Whatever word you want to use, put it in there.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you can determine your destiny in a given situation, that means you have choice.
SPEAKER 14 :
You have freedom.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. The only thing you need for choice is one vote. Okay, I choose. This is why a voter is very powerful. I’m sorry. This is why. I’m sorry. A consumer is very powerful. Why? Their one vote totally controls their destiny in that situation. I will go to this restaurant, not that one. Okay, whatever. A voter is very weak. Why? They rely on other people. This is why collectivists will collect together. Why? Because their goal isn’t to control themselves. In fact, they are very often completely out of control. Look at these people who are rebelling up in Minneapolis. Are these self-controlled people?
SPEAKER 14 :
No. You see what I’m saying? Yeah, but everything you just said, and I don’t think I’ve ever said it this way or even thought about it this way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because as you’re talking, I’m like, okay, wait a minute. So as conservatives, and a lot of us are Christians, just because you’re conservative doesn’t mean you’re Christian, because you’re Christian doesn’t mean you’re conservative, although you should be. Anyways, that’s a whole other conversation for another day. But we believe in free will. And by the way, we believe that God gave us that free will from the day of creation. So God created man, gave him free will. He had the ability, you know, Adam and Eve both had the ability to choose what they wanted to do moving forward. In other words, they had freedom, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Choose this tree, great reward. Choose that tree, great consequence. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, the other side comes along, and guess what? While they will, Satan, while they will make it seem like they want you to have free will, really, at the end of the day, it’s about control. It’s taking away your free will, meaning, Andy, ultimately, which is what I always go back to, they’re replacing God and His way with them and their way. Oh, yes. Very much so.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that’s why much of the Democrat Party’s agenda is really born out of bitterness against the biblical God.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. That’s exactly right, because they want to replace that.
SPEAKER 04 :
They hate that God. And they don’t even believe in that God. They hate that God because they believe it is just worshiping that God has destroyed our society. Right. Okay, but once again, why do collectivists collect together? Because that’s how you get power. As an individual, I don’t need any more power beyond my own personal choice to do what I want.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right, I admit.
SPEAKER 04 :
But if I were a collectivist, I would need a lot of people to control others.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. No, 100%. Anyway, as you were saying all that, I’m thinking to myself, okay, really in a nutshell, this is again, once again, the folks that believe like the left believes, replacing God, meaning we don’t need him. We have a better way of doing it. We don’t want you to have free will. God gave us free will, which, by the way, was the greatest gift ever given to mankind. Some could say the greatest curse, but it’s the greatest gift I believe ever given to man. And at the end of the day, we have a choice to do what we want to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Okay, one last question.
SPEAKER 14 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
To sum it all up, okay, political parties. If you decide that you’re going to have more political parties or no political party… then who is going to group together more and control other people more and have more political power, the collectivists or the individualists?
SPEAKER 14 :
The collectivists.
SPEAKER 04 :
Who’s going to splinter apart more, the collectivists or the individuals?
SPEAKER 14 :
The individuals because they each want what they want, not necessarily what the whole want.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. So anytime you hear people, you know, libertarians, you know, or any third, fourth, fifth party advocates or people who say no parties or people who say, let’s get all the money out of politics and let’s just have everybody be able. See, one thing I was trying to get him to talk about is you do realize you’ll have an unlimited number of candidates. Right. Everybody can run because there’s no. Right. When you put in any system like that, it will always benefit the left.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. Always. That’s right. And remember, folks, the way that our country was established, Constitutional Republic, we’re not a democracy. I hate when people use that term. I hate when our side even uses that term. I hate when Donald Trump uses that term because we don’t have a democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic. Going back to the individual sides of things Andy was just talking about a moment ago, we as a country believe everybody has a right – And has the ability to stand up for themselves, be represented on their own, and know the masses don’t control them. At the end of the day, we believe in that representative government whereby each person can stand alone without anybody else being with them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s what we believe in as a government. Yep. And the problem is democracy is completely the opposite of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Democracy is mob rule.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. It’s collectivism.
SPEAKER 04 :
Every gang on the street has democracy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. Just so you know. That’s right. That’s right. So I hope some of what we’re talking about today and explaining it in that way, you guys can even go back to some of your own friends and family and coworkers and neighborhood and really explain things that way. Because I think one of the things that you hear a lot of from people, especially as we go through an election year like this, again, this is the midterms, but still it’s an election year bigger than what we had last year. And what you’re going to hear a lot of people say is, I hate both parties. I wish we could just do something completely different because I hate the way both of them do things. Okay, you know, I do too. I understand that. I’ll give you that. I don’t like the way either one of them do it either. But at the end of the day, I would ask, okay, and the alternative is what? Because remember, the left is full of… So collectivists who band together, really, it’s lock, stock, and barrel. Yeah, somebody might get out of line a little bit, but they bring them right back in right away. So the reality is they’re all together on the same page. How do you compete with that? In other words, if you splinter off everything else that’s on the other side of the aisle, how do you ever win moving forward? Right. You don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the left, and here’s another thing the left will do. Let’s say you have 10 different issues. Okay, I don’t know, immigration, abortion, taxes, whatever. The left doesn’t care if one of their candidates disagrees with them on one or two issues. Why? Because they need to win overall. to control others.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, let’s say one of their candidates, for example, is a pro-life candidate. They’ll let that through for a while.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’ll let them run. They don’t care. Yeah, they’ll let them through for a while. But for us, we won’t let an anti-life or a pro-abortionist run.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. We hate that. And you and I are very pro-life.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, we had that issue with Joe O’Day. So to prove my point, we had that problem in Colorado. So while they would let one of us run with our view on that, we won’t let one of them run with their view on our side.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, because, and by the way, Joe, good example, and then we’ll go to break. Joe O’Day was not hardcore pro-choice on abortion. Okay, he didn’t believe in tax funding for abortions. He didn’t believe in third… He was a first-term guy, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he didn’t believe in third-term abortions. Okay. Now, on the other side, they can have somebody who’s not hardcore pro-choice. In other words, they can have somebody who supports abortion, but they can have somebody who is somewhat pro-life on some issues. They will allow that. Why? Because they… Collecting together… requires compromise. They will do that to get power. Our side won’t. We’ll tear ours apart.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s exactly right. All right. Great segue. We’ll come back. I got more to say on that. And I got a text message in about Victor Marks from a good friend of mine today, which kind of dovetails into what we’re talking about. So we’ll cover that in a moment. Golden Eagle Financial. Great interview Al did here of late. Listen up. We’ll be right back. You want to find Al, just go to klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 18 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and again, I’m with Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And some of you may not know that Al Smith has a couple of books out. Al, tell us a little bit about the books that you have for clients and what that informs folks on.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, the two books are 18 Halls to Retirement, which is about a younger person and an older person who work at the same company they’re playing golf. And the book talks a lot about the younger person asking the older person about all of his preparation he’s made for his retirement. My second book is The Christian Path to Retirement. It’s sort of about how God can guide us toward building our nest egg and also helping build his kingdom as we make that transition from work to retirement.
SPEAKER 18 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
Very good. And as always, you can find a little bit about the book at klzradio.com slash money. And on there is a form that you can schedule an appointment with Al Smith as well. And he’ll get you in shape and ready for your retirement. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, you’re welcome, TJ. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 08 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, as I said a moment ago, I got a text message from a good friend of mine asking about my thoughts on Victor Marks. And my exact comment back on Victor to this particular friend of mine was, verdict’s still out. I can’t tell you what to do one way or the other. I can’t tell you to support him, not support him. For me personally, there’s still a lot of things that are up in the air. And I’m one where, as you guys all know, I want a candidate that we can actually have with an R next to their name that we actually stand a chance to potentially beat a Michael Bennett because it’s going to be hard to beat Michael no matter what. I don’t care who you are in an entire field we have right now. Frankly, it’s a long shot for any of them. even if they get the primary win. It’s a long shot for any of the candidates we have right now going up against a Michael Bennett. Even though I feel Michael Bennett’s a pretty weak candidate, he’s easy to debate, he’s not that smart, but he will be very, very, very well-funded. He knows what to say and when. He’s been coached enough over the years to know that. So he will be a force to reckon with as far as all that goes. And he will have the backing of the entire DNC when it’s all said and done, which, by the way, we’ll be lucky to get any backing from the RNC because of how screwed up the GOP in Colorado is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. If I were the RNC, I mean— I wouldn’t set foot here. I wouldn’t right now unless some things change. I mean, and I’m not blaming the leadership. I’m blaming the previous leadership, quite honestly. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Because they’re still undermining the leadership.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, all that being said about Victor— Okay. And there’s all sorts of other things coming out of late about Victor and different things that he has said, and a lot of people that would validate his story are now dead and so on. And I’ll be honest with you, folks. I’ve read all those things, and I don’t—it’s not that I’m defending Victor, but I don’t put any stake in that nonsense. There’s still a bunch of hearsay, a bunch of haters, and that’s normal. You get a lot of that nonsense from people that don’t like a particular candidate. And again, I’m not an expert. I don’t know Victor personally. I don’t know some of these things and whether they’ve been validated or not. Time will tell. But I’m just one that says right now when it comes to Victor, in my opinion, the verdict is still out.
SPEAKER 04 :
My big concern here is this, and I’m looking at the critics of Victor Marks. I don’t know Victor Marks. I don’t know if I trust him or don’t trust him. I got no clue. But his biggest critics right now are Scott Bottoms supporters. I got nothing against Scott Bottoms per se. I’ve always liked him. I like his views. But a lot of his supporters are the Rhino Watch crowd. And they’re wackadoodles. And those people, the Rhino Watch crowd, by and large, are very dishonest.
SPEAKER 14 :
Incredibly dishonest. I don’t know if dishonest is even the right word. They’re just absolute crumbs.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know, because I’ve debated these people online, and the second I corner them, they run every time.
SPEAKER 14 :
These are just the scummiest of the scummiest of the scummiest of people.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are. They are the most divisive. They’re just scum. They don’t care about winning. By the way, they have no vision whatsoever for winning in Colorado, and they don’t care. They only want to destroy the Republican Party because they don’t like that they’re not in charge of it. Yep.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 04 :
They literally want to be the captains.
SPEAKER 14 :
They would be the type to go start their own third party if they could.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. They have no loyalty whatsoever to the party. They don’t care about the party. They want to destroy it.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, one of their big-time candidates, remember, when he didn’t win the primary in 2022, what did he do? He campaigned against our candidate. That’s right. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or was it 2024?
SPEAKER 14 :
I lose track. No, it was 2020. 22, I think it was.
SPEAKER 1 :
2022?
SPEAKER 14 :
Joe O’Dea, it was 2022 probably.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. But I mean, it’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re thinking four years ago? Yeah, four years ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is why when they were in charge of the Colorado Republican Party for the first time ever, they literally used the party apparatus, the party resources to campaign against our candidates. Right, the people they didn’t like.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. They didn’t like them. They campaigned against them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, these are backers largely of Scott Bottoms. And that is what concerns me because they are the ones who online are putting forth every, it looks AI generated. These all look AI generated. Yeah, they do. Andy, you’re right about that. All these anti-Victor Marx things. And this is why I will say this. Do I know Victor Marx? No. Can I say I trust Victor Marx? Well, I don’t know him. How can I trust somebody I don’t know at all? But do I trust his critics? Absolutely not.
SPEAKER 05 :
True.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, true. And by the way, they may have some there may be some very true criticisms of Victor Marx. I wouldn’t know. I wouldn’t know. Now, here’s what I want to ask you, John. Victor Marx has said he will do debates, but he’s going to wait until after caucus so he knows who the primary candidates are, and then he will debate them.
SPEAKER 14 :
What do you think of that? I don’t blame him for that. I said all along, and this is where a lot of folks will differ with me, if I was advising Victor, I would advise him of the exact same thing. Why waste your time? Sorry, I’m just going to say it this way, folks. Why waste your time on a bunch of people that most likely will not even be the primary candidate or even be, you know, even somebody that you’re going to run against when it’s all said and done? Why waste any time, effort, resources? You know, time is valuable on everybody’s, you know, on everybody’s front, Victor’s included. Why would you waste your time on all that nonsense if you don’t have to?
SPEAKER 04 :
Totally fair. And I agree. Now, let me give the devil’s advocate, even though I agree with you. For those who want to kick the tires on these candidates early on, I can understand their skepticism of him then. They’re saying, well, okay, right now I kind of want to get an idea of who I want to back and who I want to financially back and so forth, and I can’t kick the tires on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Here’s my answer back, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m just saying, for those who are skeptical because of that, I think they can at least say they make a pretty good point. I just want to kick the tires. No, they don’t. I want to get a good feel for this guy.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, they don’t, because they’re liars. And here’s why I say they’re liars.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no, not the ones from the bottom.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think, Andy, hear me out. I think in general they’re lying because in general, if you’re an inside politic kind of person anyways, and you’re somebody that’s involved in the pre-stage, if you would, of getting people onto the ballot and so on, the reality is you’re an insider already. Oh, yeah, yeah. You’ve already picked the person that you’re going to back. You’re already there. You’re already that person that knows who you’re going to donate to. So this idea that, well, we don’t really know who he is and we can’t vet him out and I wouldn’t know if I’d want to support him or not, you’re a liar because you already know who you’re supporting.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t mean to say no. I mean yes, yes, yes. Okay. I don’t mean the insiders who are saying it. All the insiders who are saying it, and you’re right, there are a lot of them online right now, are lying.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. I absolutely agree. Flat out lying.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are working for somebody else, most likely Scott Bottoms, and they are trying to create skepticism in Victor Marks, and they are doing it by lying and saying, golly gee, if I can’t kick the tires on this guy, I’m skeptical.
SPEAKER 14 :
How am I going to be able to support him?
SPEAKER 04 :
When all they are, they’re at Scott Bottoms meetings. That’s right. Okay, I get that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I totally do. Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. No, no. I was just talking folks out in the crowd.
SPEAKER 14 :
But really, and this is a question I’ll throw back at you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because there are people out there.
SPEAKER 14 :
How many, though?
SPEAKER 04 :
Eh, I don’t know. Not many. It’s minimal, right? Yeah, it’s fairly minimal.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s minimal because at this stage in politics.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I know this because only about 10 percent are engaged.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because I talk to all sorts of people in all sorts of walks of life from, you know, clients to people that, you know, you might sit next to the ballgame with and so on. And the reality is until you get that primary ballot and even then some folks don’t vote at that point in time. I mean, the reality is only a small percentage even vote in the primary. Nonetheless, do what we’re doing on the pre primary side.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Let’s keep in mind less than 1% of Colorado Republicans are even going to be going to caucus. Okay. So it would be well, probably well under 10% who are even engaged right now on this, who are going online and really speaking up on this or that candidate. Correct. Okay. Of those people, how many really don’t know what candidate they like? Virtually none.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
In other words, you’re right. They’re lying. That’s a good point. You make a very good point.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, again, sorry. That’s my point, folks, is all these people that are talking about Victor and he’s not debating and I don’t then know who I’m going to vote for when it comes to the primary, this, that, and the other. You are one big fat liar because, yes, you do. You know exactly who you’re supporting. You know exactly who you’re going to put some money behind. You know exactly the direction that you’re headed, period. That is nothing more than one big huge excuse and a dig at Victor. And I’m not defending the guy because of that. I’m just going against what you’re saying because you’re a liar.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I mean, if we’re just talking about marketability, I’ll tell you right out. I think Bottoms and Marks are both going to have a problem with centrist Colorado voters. Why? Because the center of Colorado is blue still. It leans left, right? And I don’t think those folks are going to go for two guys who come off like a pastor.
SPEAKER 14 :
I can’t say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I hate to say that. I disagree with you, Andy. My degree is in the ministry. Obviously, I like guys who come off like a pastor. But, John, I’m one voter, and I’m hard right. I’m not a good gauge. Right. Do you really believe this state? Once again, I challenged people last week, I’m going to do it again. Go to Park Meadows Mall or any mall and just sit there in the food court and do nothing but read. Get something to eat, too, by the way. There’s some good restaurants there. Get something to eat and just sit and listen to the people around you and their conversations. And then you tell me that the voters of this state are going to vote for a pastor. I’m sorry. I wish they would. Boy, I wish they would. I would.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick. In the primary of all voters, all registered voters, only 26% vote in the primary.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
So think about so now let’s back up, folks, to prove my point a moment ago. And Andy knows exactly where I’m going with this. So those are involved right now in the pre primary end of things, getting people either, you know, petitioned on to the primary ballot or run them through the caucus system or whatever. Keep in mind that that number is a minuscule number of the 26 percent that even vote in the primary. Right. So the reality is of all of the scuttlebutt going on about all the different candidates right now, they are probably and I don’t think Andy is wrong in this. The one percenters is really what you could call them when it’s all said and done. Oh, yes, they are. They’re the one percenters.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are the one percenters. And here’s what really worries me is this. Once again, who are the biggest critics of Victor Marks? Scott Bottoms followers. Right. I have not yet. I’ve had one try and it was ludicrous. And I read it to you on air. I’ve not had one Scott Bottoms follower be able to tell me any kind of a realistic path for Scott to win a majority of voters in November.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because there’s no answer to that, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, his views are so far to the right of mainstream Colorado, which is unfortunate. I don’t blame him. I blame mainstream Colorado, okay?
SPEAKER 14 :
But that is the market. Yeah, thank you. There’s no blame. I like his views. It is what it is, Andy. There’s no blame. I mean, it just is what it is. So if that’s what it is and that’s the hand you’re dealt with, you’ve got to deal with it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, in hour one, John, I was talking about deporting environmentalists. That’s what I would like to do. I’m an extremist, John. I get that. I do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and that would never get Andy and I elected for what we just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
No. It would get us a chuckle or two. But here’s the reality.
SPEAKER 14 :
Scott would agree with us. That’s the problem. Yeah, he would love to deport environmentalists. He would agree with us. That’s why he’s unelectable in Colorado, because of what I just said, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
But none of his supporters. And I mean, we’re talking.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
None of them can say how he could win in Colorado, and yet they’re spending all their time attacking Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, let’s do this. This is ridiculous. We’re running up against our last break. I’m going to throw this out there. So all of you that are in that camp, maybe it’s Scott, maybe it’s Barb Kirkmeyer, maybe it’s some other candidate besides Victor. By the way, it could be Victor. Here’s what I want to do for the last hour. Call us and give us the reasons why your candidate will win. 303-477-5600. We’ll take our three. And if you’ve got somebody you’re supporting, I want to know. And we’ll be nice. We’re not going to argue. We’ll just let you have the floor and tell us why you think your particular candidate. We might throw a few questions back at you to make sure that you’re thinking correctly. But I want to know the candidate you’re backing, what makes it so they can win the primary here in Colorado and then go on to win the governorship. Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning. Make an appointment online. Just go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, and Andy’s actually putting a post out about this particular question. So again, I’m going to ask you all. Hour three. Floor is open. Lines are open. Call in. If you’ve got somebody that you’re supporting, could be Victor, could be Scott, could be Barb, could be whoever. Tell me why you think your candidate has what it takes to win not only the primary, but then on into the whole general election and beat Michael Bennett. I want to know. We’ll be nice. We’ll be kind. We may throw a few things at you to check your thinking, but we’ll be kind and nice about it. So the floor is open. 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
