This episode of Drive Radio was a great mix of automotive nostalgia and practical truth-telling. The question of the day asked listeners what used to be common on cars that has disappeared today, and the answers came rolling in fast. The conversation covered everything from vacuum gauges, points and condensers, two-speed automatics, hand crank windows, curb feelers, headlight washers, tail light gas fillers, bumper jacks, vent systems, and those old fender-mounted turn signal indicators that made a car feel futuristic back in the day.
But this show did more than just look backward. John and Pat also made the case
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate it greatly. Myself, Pat Schneidt, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. We appreciate him coming down and joining us. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. Larry Unger answering phones, and we have lines open at the moment, so any question you’ve got, please let us know. 303-477-5600. Question of the day. what’s no longer in or on cars today that were, that was common years ago. Somebody mentioned a moment ago on the text line, the old, or the, you know, the vacuum gauges back in the day, the vacuum gauge, I should say back in the day, it would tell you what your fuel economy was doing based upon, you know, how much, because no vacuum means your foot’s in it and, High vacuum means it’s not, and you could kind of gauge how you were driving and what your fuel economy was going to be off of that. Now with today’s modern – and partially why that’s not there anymore is today’s modern cars and the way they’re handling things with fuel management, ignition, and so on. You know what? You can drive them as hard as you want or as soft as you want, and the reality is it doesn’t change the fuel economy at all. hardly at all hardly at all i’m being dead serious guys it really i mean yes the the you know the softer you drive the car quote unquote the you know the the more how should i say this the nicer you are to the car not having your foot in the accelerator pedal of course it’s going to get a little bit better fuel economy but most of these cars today you you just drive it and it’s going to get what they get yeah it’s going to get roughly the same economy no matter what you’re doing no matter how you drive it because of the way the thing functions
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so we’ve talked a lot about features that have come and gone, and I will tell you, cars are efficient today. You can get more power, more speed. You have creature comforts. The thing that we’re missing, though, is the heart, the style. Like the hood ornament thing, cars were different shapes. They were different styles. Now, a lot of cars look similar. That’s kind of the jelly bean. Yeah, they do. It’s a wind tunnel test, right? No, it is. You’re right. So I miss the heartbeat.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. No, you’re right. Some others that have come in on this, by the way, of course, the old points condenser, all that, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Those went away a long, long time ago. Two-speed automatic transmissions. Yeah, power glides, which there’s other versions of. But, yeah, those are a thing of the past as well, partially because – well, not partially. When we went to overdrive transmissions, even when they were just four-speed overdrive transmissions, which were the first ones that were really – and I get it. Even before that, there were two-speed differentials and things like that that some of the old cars had, and there was even selectors on – the steering wheel or the shifters for that, you know, that those even those went away. And as time went by, we, you know, in the Let me think about this. Early 80s, and General Motors especially, and Ford as well, had their issues with overdrive transmissions that they, like anything else, once they got the bugs worked out, they became extremely popular and solid and they worked and they helped with fuel economy and longevity of the engine and all sorts of other things. So between overdrive transmissions and… Fuel injection, it really did make a vehicle last so much longer than they used to. The engine component, I should say, so much longer than it used to. Well, and nowadays, everything is electronically controlled. Very, very, very few, if any, four-speed automatic transmissions. There are six, seven, eight, ten, even ten speeds. And some would say, well, why so many? Because they want to keep the RPM of the engine as consistent as they possibly can. It helps with fuel economy, back to what we were talking about a little bit ago. Yes. Helps with fuel economy, longevity, drivability, all sorts of things that come into play. The more gears they have and the more consistent they can keep the RPM of the engine, the longer everything lasts and the better the economy. So what you’re saying is the engines have a consistent speed and the transmission goes faster and slower. Correct. Correct. Yep. What they want to do is they want to keep, for example, let’s say, you know, they do all the math, which is all it is, by the way. So an engineer sits down, does all the math and says, OK, if I want the engine RPM to be at 1800 RPM for the majority of its life and, you know, when somebody is just driving around, then we need this many gears. yep for this much speed to get to 90 miles an hour to be able to exactly to be able to do that and so what they do is they factor in all the ratios accordingly and off you go and you’re going to be in the right power band to make it comfortable driving and it’s going to produce less emissions because you’re in that engine speed i mean all of it yep and and again uh A lot of these advancements, some love, some hate, because the more advanced we get, the more convoluted it becomes to be able to fix them, and I fully understand that. But here’s the reality, and I’m not exaggerating when I say this. You could take an old, we’ll just say Turbo 350 or a C4 on the Ford side. On the Ford side, yeah. And here’s the reality. You are rebuilding, in either one of those, we’re getting rebuilt at 100,000. For sure. In some cases, less, depending upon how the vehicle was driven and what you were doing with it and so on. So reality today is, if you take a modern 6, 8, 10-speed transmission, and you don’t do what the dealer says, and you actually service it like you’re supposed to. Fluid change. Yes, not lifetime fluid like the dealers will tell you or the manufacturers will tell you. If you do your services like you should, in some cases it depends on the vehicle, but it can be every 30K, every 50K, every 60K. It just depends on the vehicle. But if you do those services properly, that transmission will run 200,000 miles plus, which is double. What they used to do back in the day, in some cases, triple what they used to do back in the day. So some of you that say, well, yeah, the good old days. Yeah, the good old days when you took a Chevy, you know, a Chevy, you know, turbo hydromatic 350 and you rebuilt it every 75,000 miles or so. You mean those good old days?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, like most of us, we remember the highlights, not the pain points.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and that same vehicle with that same small block Chevrolet, and by the way, it didn’t matter if it was a Chevrolet, a Ford, a Chrysler, or whatever, you’re probably doing either valve seals or guides both at, again, 75,000, 80,000 miles. But back then, it was a more affordable job to do it. It was, and it was easier. You could do it quickly. That was an in-and-out, typically same-day job for most shops, so I understand all of that. But my point is, If you’ve got an engine today and you’ve got to put valve seals in it, you’ve got a real problem. Yes.
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Because you don’t do that now. No, you don’t. It’s a huge job if you even have the skills. Most of the technicians don’t have the skills to do that. No. And you can’t even get to it. Like if you say that was a one-day job, oh, my God, no, this is a week.
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And the reason why I say you’ve got real problems is if you’ve got a modern engine and it actually is smoking and needs valve seals, you’ve probably smoked the engine, overheated it to the point where those seals are no longer any good, meaning you have other problems as well. You’ve got other problems, yeah. That’s where I was actually going with that, because if you’ve got a vehicle that actually needs that, it’s either got a gazillion miles and it needs something else anyways, or you smoked it. And what made me think about this is I was following a vehicle home last night, on my way home that, believe it or not, was smoking. And I’m like, that is the first car in a long time that I’ve actually seen oil smoke coming out of the back of. You just don’t see it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Used to be piston rings or whatever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and some of that, you know, the catalytic converters and stuff is cleaning a lot of that up as well. But you just don’t see the engines doing the things that they used. When we were kids, oh, it was nothing to see a car smoke. Right, right. The blue clouds followed them around town. Especially in a startup. You know, a lot of them smoked on startup. You just don’t see that anymore. So are we driving better cars today than we used to? And even a lot of these accessories and things that we’re talking about are things we used to have we don’t have today. You know, our car is even better now than they used to be. You guys already know my feeling on that. And I get people that. I want to argue with me on that and say, no, they’re worse today than they’ve ever been. No, folks. No, I’m sorry. They are so much better today than they used to be. Yes, they’re more expensive to work on, but the reality is they last so much longer than they ever did. There is just no comparison. I mean, I’m talking, folks, even the… and the creature comforts and suspension components and how the doors shut and, and, and, and, and. Right. I can go down the list. Yes. Technology is, in many cases, a great thing. Way better. All right. We’re going to take a break. We’ll come back. Keep giving me the question of the day, which is, what is no longer on cars that used to be very common back in the day? Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Several of you actually, and I think I said this one earlier, but several of you on the question of the day said hand crank windows. And yeah, I don’t think you can even, I don’t think even like me on the fleet truck side, everything’s power windows now. I don’t think you can even order one. You might be able to, but I think everything now is even power windows on that end of things. So Mike in Highlands Ranch, you’re next.
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I wanted to say kudos to you. That was one of the better explanations on why there’s 10 speeds, 8 speeds, transmissions. That was really, really good. And I hope the audience got a chance to soak that up. That was one of the better explanations I’ve heard in a long time.
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Thank you. Excellent.
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And so, you know, don’t get too big a head, though.
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Never fear. No, I have lots of folks around me that remind me of that, Mike, daily. Never fear.
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As it relates to things that are on a car, my dear sister is back in Georgia. visiting a car show today, and she sent me pictures. And I’m amazed at how many old cars had the taillight gas filler.
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Ooh.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah, right. The hidden gas cap in the taillight. Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that.
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Yes. I mean, the old Cadillacs, there was a backup light that you pushed.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. Yeah.
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Up popped the taillight, and that’s how you filled it up. And then there were a myriad of cars that had the gas cap behind the license plate. Yes. You won’t find that anymore now. What an intriguing design thing that was back in that day.
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The other thing, too, that we don’t have anymore because we don’t really add things on to fenders and stuff like we used to, that I was thinking of, Mike, that no one yet has mentioned is a lot of the – fancier cars back in the day, Lincolns, Cadillacs, Buicks, and so on, they would have a turn signal indicator on the top of the fender. And in some cases, even a high beam indicator built into that same, you know, that same fluted, you know, thing that went on top of the fender. I mean, and they were kind of, you know, weird looking, but they tried to flow it in with the vehicle and so on. But I always thought as a kid, that was the coolest thing ever.
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That was cool. It was on the front fenders and pointed at the driver.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
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Well, I remember as a little kid looking around going, where’s the damn gas cap on this thing?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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You bet. You’ve got to be kidding me. But anyway, once again, a delightful show, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
Appreciate it. Appreciate it, Mike. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Bye. You bet. Have a good one. I appreciate that. John, you’re next. Go ahead.
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It’s Conrad, John. How you doing, bud?
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Hey, what’s up, man? Conrad, how’s things?
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Man, you stole my thunder. I was going to say that thing that you said about those indicators on the fenders. Yeah. They had a little… It’s a little… I remember what they called it. It was a tube that would run from where the headlight was up to those things, and they’d lay. If the headlight burned up, you could see it. That’s right. It wouldn’t work.
SPEAKER 15 :
When we were going through this whole topic, I was thinking back to that. Conrad, back in the day, if you had a car with that, that was a fancy car. Oh, yes, it was.
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Well, my mom and dad had a 79 Toronado, and it had that. Yep, perfect. They had that, and they bought it brand new, and I thought that was as cool as it could be. And in the rear window, right above the rear window, if you look back, there’s a little one back there. You can see that, too, for the taillights. Yep. If you look in the rearview mirror, you can see it back there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, the two red lights staring back at you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Forgot about that one as well. I did, too. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.
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The other thing is, they had a deal, and I put on my Torino anti-rust prohibitive. It came out of the marine industry. It’s supposed to put, like, an electric pulse into the body.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I forgot about that as well. Yeah, you’re right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And I had that put on, you know, several years ago. They were showing it on Motor Trend TV, and I had that done. And, you know, I always keep it garaged anyway, but that’s another thing. And then I wanted to ask you. Well, you thought about those picks I sent you, the new engine. It looks really good.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it looks really good, Conrad. You’re doing a great job.
SPEAKER 07 :
Those throws are on that crank.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know, it looks really good.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s going to have torque out, but you know what. So, anyway.
SPEAKER 15 :
Looks really good. Good job.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good show as always, dude. Appreciate you. Have a good day.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, Conrad, thank you very much. I appreciate that. And yeah, Conrad’s building a new engine for his old Torino. Nice. Anyways, there are others that I’m sure we still haven’t gotten. I got a lot of text messages. Again, text line 307. 200-8222, 307-282-22. And you can give us a call, 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. We’re running through the text line here. And again, question of the day is, what used to be on vehicles was common even on vehicles and is no longer around. Or, you know, the other thing that’s happened is some of these were and have come back. Some were and have come back. And like I was saying with the push-button transmissions, there are now new ones, new vehicles, I should say, that are using that same push-button design.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so one that hasn’t completely gone away but it’s definitely more scarce and that I hope comes back is just a manual transmission, period. They’re so much more fun to drive.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And yeah. And I’ve talked about that in the past and the sales numbers, I believe are about 2%.
SPEAKER 1 :
2%.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. That’s why you don’t see very many of them any longer because the, unfortunately guys like us, you know, we are around, we like them and we’ll buy them, but we are unique. I feel the connection to the car so much better. Like I’m not distracted. Most don’t want them. Yeah. And that’s why you don’t see more manual transmissions is because the purchasers of, you know, the buyers, they’ll buy an automatic almost all day long over that. So, John and Centennial, you’re next.
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Hey, good show, guys. Thanks. I have a question about windshield wipers. But before that, I got two comments on stuff that’s gone. Number one is curb feelers. And number two is headlight washers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Headlight washer. Great point. Good one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And now some vehicles, some of the really high-end vehicles still have those.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, okay. Good, good. My question to you, John, and I know you’ve got a lot of windshield wipers blades that you’ve replaced over the years. And they’ve gotten really pricey over the years. And I replace my wiper blades at least twice a year. What brand do you really recommend? Because there’s so many different ones out there. And they’re all junk to me, in my opinion. But anyway.
SPEAKER 15 :
I like the Bosch Icons. Personally speaking, that’s my favorite blade, John. And I’m not paid by them. There’s nothing in that for me to say that. They don’t send me free wipers or anything along those lines. I buy them just like everybody else does. You’re just saying they work well. I like them. I like the way they’re fluted. It pushes the wiper down on the windshield as you’re driving faster, meaning you get a cleaner wipe. I like the rubber itself and how well it cleans. They’re just an all-around really nice blade.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good. Well, do they make them for rear windows, too?
SPEAKER 15 :
I believe they do. Yeah, I think they do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, because both of my cars have rear window wipers, and I’ve always wondered about those.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you just go look at Bosch’s, you know, just go look, Google Bosch icon blades, and you’ll get a full, put your vehicle listing in and so on and so forth, and off you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
They run about $26 a piece or something.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re not cheap. You are correct on that one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, good show. Thanks, guys.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, you’re very welcome. And I’ve had several of you, somebody was texting in or somebody called in and mentioned that the Napa on Broadway was closing. But I’ve got numerous text messages saying that is not true. They’re not closing. They’re definitely open. They’re there. And they’ve got everything you need. And if they don’t, they can bring it in out of the warehouse. So I’m not sure where the miscommunication is. happened on that one but i’ve had numerous text messages coming in saying yeah no they are not closing they are fully there so yes the napa on broadway is definitely up functioning working all of that they’re there no issues so thank you by the way all the text messages along those lines because i was not aware of that either but thank you all for for texting that in question of the day give us something that used to be on vehicles common on vehicles that is no longer or But, you know, we’ll add to that, give me something that used to be there that is now starting to come back once again. 303-477-5600. Myself, Pat Schneidt. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Rob is next. Rob, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
I said the Napa at Broadway and Littleton, officially Broadway Empowers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Broadway Empowers. Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I will mention that that Saturn 96, Saturn 93 SW2 that I’ve been driving for since 1996 has power seatbelts, and they’ve only tried to strangle me twice.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, jeez. But you survived. Oh, my word.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I even got a little teeny mini grease gun so I can squirt white lithium grease into the channel to keep the things working.
SPEAKER 15 :
Most of those over time, as you know, Rob, got disconnected. Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so forth. And it’s very sad, but there was one that was next to the Inglewood Pond. And in between that and the Arby’s and the Chipotle, it was a strip mall in Napa.
SPEAKER 15 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s completely got it and gotten shut down. The one in Inglewood is still open, but I did say Littleton.
SPEAKER 15 :
Perfect, perfect.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you for the clarification, Rob. I appreciate that very much. James, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good. James, how are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Good. I haven’t been able to listen to the whole program, but I was wondering if anybody brought up the Vince. Like I have an old DeSoto, and it’s got a vent. You push the knob in the middle of the thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no one has mentioned that one yet. They’ve mentioned the vent windows, but nobody talked about the actual vent. The floor vents on the kick panels. Yeah, actual vent in the center of the hood.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do you remember this? Oh, yes, definitely do. You just push a knob on the inside. My joke with people was when I was driving around, and I’d say, I’m going to put on the air conditioner for you.
SPEAKER 15 :
A lot of the early, as you know, a lot of the early trucks had that too, James. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. Well, I just, I don’t know if anybody mentioned it, but it was an interesting feature for me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and then what they did, too, and you probably remember this, James, some of you may or may not that are out there listening. Originally, the actual pop, it was like a little hood that would just pop up and then air would come in. Well, then what they did is they took that out and just put a grill assembly there, but you could still open and close. There was a door that opened and closed the vent that was even there for that reason as well, James. They just got rid of the pop-up.
SPEAKER 14 :
Got you, but you still had air.
SPEAKER 15 :
You still had airflow, yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s too bad. I always loved the pop.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I know. They’re cool looking.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it was. It was just neat to show that to somebody.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it was cool.
SPEAKER 05 :
Anyway, I just wanted to mention that. No, I forgot about that. No, thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it was a good one, James. Thanks. I had forgotten about those. A lot of these I have, by the way, so thank you. Ed, go ahead and brighten.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, this is Ed. Listen, I have an old one that’s not in use anymore, and that’s a bumper and a bumper jack.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, good one. Oh, that’s a really good one.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have a couple questions, too, if you don’t mind.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, you’re fine. Go right ahead. We’ve got time. Go for it.
SPEAKER 10 :
I need an opinion on what to buy between a Honda Pilot and a Toyota Highlander.
SPEAKER 15 :
Two different vehicles. That’s a tough one.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Long Highlander, whatever they’re called.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the extended.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Tough one because, as you know, two different vehicles. The Pilot’s going to be a little bit smaller. I shouldn’t say smaller. A little shorter maybe is the best way to say that. Both great vehicles. I have nothing bad to say about either one of them, Ed. I’m guessing, is the Highlander a little bit more money or is it about the same? I don’t remember.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s a hair more, not a lot. A couple thousand maybe. Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
I was concerned about it’s got the… Oh, what do you call it? The battery…
SPEAKER 15 :
backup it’s it’s a it’s a hybrid the highlander will be higher will be a hybrid which is a great vehicle i mean we just reviewed one of those about a month ago i want to say ed we literally heard the review yeah just it’s a great vehicle there we have nothing bad to say about that vehicle at all i don’t have anything bad to say about the pilot either they’re just they compete but they’re not i mean as you know they’re two different vehicles yeah now the pilot you know it’s kind of old school it’s just uh
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s not direct injection or anything. It’s just, you know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And, I mean, even as far as everybody listening, even how they look and everything, I mean, they are just, I mean, yes, they’re comparable as far as size goes, but to me, they’re two different vehicles.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so you prefer the Toyota.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I like the hybrid system that the Toyota has. A, the fuel economy is going to be better than what you’re going to find on the Pilot, and the power as well is going to be better, especially at our elevation. The power is going to be better on the Highlander than it is the Pilot.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. And does that hybrid, does it replace batteries at 100,000? No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. I mean, Ed, and this was another misconception back in the day, even when the Priuses and stuff came out, which they’ve been out for a very long time now, and the new systems they’ve got, they have perfected those. You will be dead, and I’m not trying to be rude here, but you’ll be dead before you put batteries in it. okay well that’s good news actually i mean and i can say that for me i’m 61 i would be dead before i put batteries in it yeah okay well that’s good to know because i was concerned about that i have one more quick non-issue if you have a minute no go right ahead and by the way these are great questions because those are two great vehicles but yes my pick if if i wasn’t worried about the money and i was looking for a little more room on the inside and i love the hybrid on the highlander for me that’s a that’s a highlander all day yep well okay well at that price a couple thousand doesn’t change much no it doesn’t you’re right
SPEAKER 10 :
Anyway, one quick question. Ford 3.5 has been hearing that timing chains and cam phasers and all this stuff is a problem.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is 2018. Is that something I should be worrying about? What kind of mileage are you thinking?
SPEAKER 15 :
How many miles do you have on it now?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s only got 62 or 63.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re fine. If you do good solid oil changes every 4,000 miles on that vehicle and you do the BG treatment we talk about and all of that, you’ll go for quite some time. If they don’t get good oil changes and people neglect them, you can do phasers and other things at even less than 100,000 miles. I’ve seen some of those get done at 70,000 miles when they’re not properly maintained. If they’re properly maintained, they’ll go much farther. That’s key.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s properly maintained. And the other thing is it’s highway miles.
SPEAKER 15 :
You won’t have any issues then.
SPEAKER 10 :
Cross country, literally, highway.
SPEAKER 15 :
Literally, if you’re doing that, you can take that mileage and cut it in half. Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I appreciate that. I was a little concerned after hearing all this stuff recently about phasers and chains.
SPEAKER 15 :
And those are true stories, but again, it’s sort of like, Ed, let me explain it this way, on the GM side with the cylinder deactivation, a lot of bad information out there on the cylinder deactivation on GM, and they get blamed for a lot of issues, and you should just take that out and so on and so forth. And really, the answer is no. No. Change your oil like you should be. Use the proper oil like you should be. And that engine, even with the cylinder deactivation, will go for a very, very, very long time. That’s the flip side nobody tells you, just like the 3.5 conversation we just had. Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I appreciate that. I typically get at least $200,000. I got pickup that’s got $317,000. You’ll be fine. I take care of things. You’ll be fine, Ed. I was going to say, you understand me. You’ll be fine, Ed.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’ll have no issues.
SPEAKER 10 :
I appreciate it. Thanks.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re very welcome. By the way, great question on that, on both of those, by the way, Ed. Thank you very much for that. Keith and Aurora, you’re next.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hi. I got a 2001 Pathfinder with about 230,000 miles on it. Okay. And you come up to a stop sign or a light, and it would just die. So we chased it around, and I found two fuses that were bad. So now I can get it to start and run again. But right after you start it, you got to keep it accelerated for a bit and then it runs fine. But I can’t get it. I now get a code that says it’s not talking to the computer. So is there something else going on in there or a bad computer?
SPEAKER 15 :
Or you’ve got another electrical problem. I guess the question I always have, anytime there’s a fuse blown, even as a technician back in the day, the first thing I always asked was, why? Yeah, that’s a symptom. Yeah, they should not blow, so what caused it to blow in the first place, and do we have another problem somewhere else that you’re still encountering?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they shouldn’t blow.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. I guess you just keep digging, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I mean, something caused those fuses to blow in the first place, and most likely that’s the same problem causing your problem now would be my guess.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. But there’s no sense trying to find another computer for it?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I would make sure that everything’s powered up, you don’t have any other issues, the communication is there, and so on. I mean, it could be that the computer itself is bad, but I would not just go throw a computer in it. That is, I mean, back in the day. This is where, again, a lot of the things in the auto industry kind of get started, Keith. Back in the early 80s when GM especially came out with their ECMs and they were trying to do feedback on the carburation, it wasn’t even fuel injection at that point. Yes, those computers went bad often. As a dealer back in the day, I remember stocking those computers back in the day because it was a very common thing. And that’s where that, oh, the computer’s bad, just go put a new one in it kind of came from. As we progressed and computerization got better and better and better, especially on the automotive side, it is uncommon in today’s world to put a computer in a car. Not saying it doesn’t ever happen, but it’s just not as common as it used to be, Keith.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So I shouldn’t be driving that thing at all, right, until I find out what’s going on?
SPEAKER 15 :
I would find out what’s going on or it’s going to leave you, I’m guessing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, very good. Thank you, guys.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re very welcome, Keith. No, I appreciate that. Yeah, guys, you just don’t put computers in cars like we once did. It’s just not, even in an 01, it’s just not that common. You just don’t have to. Eric, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, if Ed’s still listening, you know, he was asking about the – highlanders and of course i’ve had the hybrid highlanders got 300 000 on both of mine there you go nice and say original battery packs um cvts have held up um and actually going back about oh gosh about a month ago you had mike really uh at the very end of his show railing on the cvts and how he thought they should be made illegal because they end up passing power. But I tell you what, I can be on I-25 or 83 or 70 and somebody’s lagging and I can get around and the hybrid motor kicks in. I’ve never had problems with power or anything.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not in those cars. And you are correct. And, yeah, I probably should have put a little disclaimer. Straight CVT in a regular car, yeah, I’m not a big fan of. I don’t like them. I think they’re not necessarily that they’re dangerous. I’m just not a fan of them. I just don’t like the way they operate, don’t like the maintenance that you have to do on them, and so on. The exception to that is the hybrids that have a CVT, which is – It is similar in design as to the other CVTs, but to your point, Eric, the way that entire system is, they are not comparable to a regular CVT transmission in a regular car.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s what I’ve noticed, is having that extra hybrid motor in there makes a very big difference on that.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is night and day.
SPEAKER 08 :
As far as Ed’s concerns with battery packs or anything like that, Toyo’s just They’ve got a good design, and the battery management system works great. I think I’ve told you in the past I’ve got one of those OBD-II things that allows me to drive around and even monitor the charge and discharge rates on my battery packs. Here I am 20-some years in. They’re 9600. That’s not right. Yeah. Ninety six Highlanders. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I mean, I want to make sure I’m very clear because I’m sure somebody will correct me. So I make sure that I correct this statement so that I don’t have somebody texting me and correcting me. The Toyota specifically. Their CVT transmissions in the hybrids is called an E-CVT, and it’s not a belt-driven CVT like you’re going to find in all the other cars. It is a planetary-style CVT, meaning that it is not running off of the conventional steel belts and stuff that are inside of a regular CVT. That’s why, Eric, they last so much longer. They work so much better. Yes, they operate like a CVT, but it’s not a conventional CVT transmission. Let me say that.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s interesting to know. I didn’t know that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, they are not like a regular CBT. And that’s why you don’t feel the same type of a wind-up and so on that you would in a regular CBT.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Yeah, no, actually, I can tell you, I’ll be… turning a corner and the hybrid motor hits in, and next thing I know, I’m squealing tired. Oh, yeah?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, they work great. They are fabulous. You’ll never hear me complain about one of those, ever. They work great.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But like I was saying, I can monitor my individual battery pack charge and discharge.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, all these years later, I’ve still got a strong battery pack in both Highlanders.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good for you.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, yeah, I would say if Ed’s listening, he’d I swear by my Highlander. Yeah, can’t go wrong. They’re good cars.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, cannot go wrong. The Grand Highlander is the one he’s looking at. That’s the extended version. Yeah, can’t go wrong at all. Yep. Yep. Eric, thank you, man. I appreciate you backing us up on that. Thank you so much. We’ve got one more segment left. Myself, Patch Knight. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, we are back. Last segment, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. By the way, been a fun show today, guys. Thank you so much for all of the calls and text messages and sort of walking down memory lane on things that used to be on vehicles that aren’t anymore. Somebody mentioned, here’s one that was and then was not for the longest time and now is back, and that’s auto high beams. Ah, yes. Because back in the day, again, some of those fancier cars that had the indicators on top of the fenders and so on, they had auto high beams. Yep. They would turn them on and off automatically. And then they went away for the longest time. And now there’s a lot of vehicles that are made today, even pickup trucks and such, that have auto high beams. It’s becoming very popular again.
SPEAKER 14 :
Nice. I wasn’t aware of that. Oh, yeah. Very popular. I’ve had cars in the past that have had it, but I don’t think I have one right now.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s becoming very popular. In fact, we drive a lot of press cars and so on, but even some of the newer trucks that I’ve owned and still own, yeah, I mean, even truck will have auto high beams on them, which is really – it’s a nice feature. It just makes – you just don’t even think about it. They just come on automatically. They go off automatically. You don’t think about blinding somebody and all. I mean, they’re just – And you can see better.
SPEAKER 17 :
better.
SPEAKER 15 :
They just work. Yeah. Well, as a side note, and I know we talked about this earlier with a caller that called in trying to do an upgrade on on an older Subaru. The new light and a lot of people complain about the new lighting because yes, it can be somewhat blinding when you’re coming at that particular vehicle. But I tell you what, oh my word, is there a world of difference in how you can see today versus the way it used to be? Back in the day, even my old Buick, my 68 Grand Sport, it’s got the upgraded Hella headlamp system in it where you could even change the bulbs and stuff in them and put a higher watt bulb and all that in them. It was very common back in the day to take seal beam lights out, put in a replaceable bulb type lamp in, or the CIBIE. I don’t know how you say that. CIBIE. I don’t know how. I never didn’t know how to pronounce that particular. CIBA? CIBIE? I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is it CIBA?
SPEAKER 15 :
CIBIE.
SPEAKER 14 :
C-I-B-I-E, CB. Yeah, CB.
SPEAKER 15 :
So you would upgrade them, either one of those. And they were German. Both of those were German made. And you would do an upgrade that way. You get rid of the CO beams and then go to that. And, man, back in the day, I don’t know how we saw to do anything, to be honest with you. Right. I mean, we all drove and did things and so on. But how in the world we did with the lighting compared to what we have now was, I don’t know how we saw anything. It was like reading a book with a candle.
SPEAKER 14 :
I remember doing a road trip with my mom and my aunt, and so I was in the front vehicle, it was a 1988 something, and driving at night, and she was behind me in a 2004, and her headlights were shining where I could see so much better. It was like, that was crazy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and back, again, back in the day, I know I’m giving my age away here, but yeah, it was not uncommon. And I sold a lot of these back even when I had my stores. You would do a complete headlight package upgrade so you could actually see so much better at the end of the day because the lights that we had otherwise, it even came stock in the car. Literally, I don’t know how we saw, Pat. I really don’t.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I guess this is maybe for everybody, but I personally really enjoy driving at night, but I like to be able to see. Oh, me too. Ditches, you know, for deer, for pheasant, all that sort of stuff. But yeah, if you’ve got a great headlight system, I love driving at night.
SPEAKER 15 :
And here’s something else that used to be not common on cars, but… It was fairly common on some of the trucks and such, and anymore you rarely even see these. Yeah, there’s some that are out there, but the auxiliary lights, and again, as what I used to do with my stores and that, we sold a ton of auxiliary lights, fog lights, driving lights, and so on. And no, they’re not one and the same. They’re two completely different things, and I sold a ton of those things back in the day. With the modern headlight systems of today, again, you don’t see people adding on lights like we once did because it’s just not necessary. The newer technology that we’ve got just does such a good job of – directing the beam. Keep in mind, folks, that a lot of the newer vehicles, you even have now self-leveling lights so that that beam is always going where it’s supposed to go because just the way that they’ve designed the system. Literally, you turn the car on, and you watch the headlights come up and down and adjust themselves accordingly and find their level, and then off you go. And that’s something that we never had before. in the old days. I mean, you had to manually adjust headlamps, which you hardly ever do today.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Oh, we had to get out the little Phillips screwdrivers or the Torx.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and there was actually a headlamp leveling kit at the dealership that we always had where you’d mount that. There were suction cups. You’d mount them onto the front of the vehicle, and you would adjust the headlights, you know, Car had to be level, of course, but then you would adjust the headlights, and there was a labor time for that even.
SPEAKER 14 :
Basically dial them in.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even on the warranty side, there was a labor time guide back in the day for doing those, and it was a whole system. I can’t remember the name of the system. I’ll think of it in a second. Mickey, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Hi, John. Thanks for taking my call.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re welcome.
SPEAKER 04 :
I got an 05 Pontiac Vibe, and a guy just told me the other night that my headlight was out.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. It seems like this is probably the fourth time that it’s gone out since I’ve owned a car.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I keep going through headlights, it seems like. We have a 07 Honda Odyssey, and I haven’t even changed the headlights in that yet. Interesting. Is there… Something with these phones?
SPEAKER 15 :
Typically, and really quick, I remember the name of the tool I was talking about. It was called Hoppy. So I just want to make sure I threw that out there. But on these headlights of yours, it’s got to have some sort of overvoltage or something along those lines to be causing that, Mickey, because normally that would, as you know, talking about your other vehicle, should not be the case. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know, like when you, what is it? When I turn on a blinker, you can almost notice the headlights dim.
SPEAKER 15 :
Then you’ve got a bad ground someplace if it’s doing that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is that it?
SPEAKER 15 :
It could be. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s an electrical issue somewhere.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. Because they shouldn’t, as you know, nothing should change whether you turn on turn signals, brake, whatever. Nothing should change at all. If it is, something’s not right. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Well, I’ll look into that. Yeah, it’s like, I mean, one year is like the headlight only lasted, I think, a year before it went out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Yeah, you’ve definitely got a problem. As you know, they should last a long time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, I agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, even the old seal beams back in the day, Mickey, would last a long time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So the modern vehicles we’ve got today and the bulbs and stuff that are in them, yeah, you should be getting many years out of it, not a year. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
So you’ve got a problem someplace.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, yeah. All right, I’m going to let you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mickey, I’m going to see if I can squeeze one call in. I’ve only got about 30 seconds, Scott. Go ahead. Oh, that’s Wally. Hey, Scott, how are you, man?
SPEAKER 12 :
Good, bud. Hey, real quick, we’re out at the Mile High Hunt and Fish Expo out here at the National Western Events Center to tell people to come out and see us. Bureau, 6 o’clock today and then 9 to 4 tomorrow. Nice. And, again, it’s not where we normally go for the radio, I mean, for the rodeo. It is over at the new events center. Nice. Okay. Good to know. So be sure and check it out. All right, man. See you.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, man. Appreciate you very much. And that is Scott from Sportsman of Colorado. Pat, again, thank you so much. I appreciate it greatly. Give folks your phone number real quick. 970-224-9718. All right. And that’s it, guys. Have a great rest of your weekend. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 18 :
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