Join the Conversation at 303-477-5600 or text to 307-200-8222 Monday – Friday from 3 pm – 6 pm MT. https://RushToReason.com HOUR 1 Is Colorado’s greatest political threat not the opposition, but its own system? In this hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Peth dive headfirst into controversy, beginning with bold takes on climate narratives and global conflict. Is the Iran war a dangerous escalation—or a strategic move with long-term benefits most Americans don’t yet understand? And why is a massive Nebraska wildfire being overshadowed in the media? The real firestorm is local. The hosts dig into
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Okay, happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, of course, Charlie Grimes, your engineer, and good afternoon, Andy. Good afternoon, sir. How are you? Very nice. What do we got outside? 80 degrees almost. Doesn’t look like it, but it’s fairly warm out.
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It’s pretty awesome. And by the way, just a reminder for those who think global warming. No. What is it really, John? It’s just cycles. It’s a cycle. We’ve been through it before. Is this El Nino or?
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La Nina.
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La Nina.
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End of.
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Okay, so this is La Nina, and it’s curving down to us. Meanwhile, the East Coast has been getting piles and piles of snow.
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Yep. Now there’s a big heat wave coming across all the U.S. this week. But again, folks, we’ve seen these before. Not unusual. Although the climate alarmist slash activist, Andy, man, they love to jump on this stuff. This is like their heyday.
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Yeah, it is. And then when you have the cold spells, what do they do?
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Blame it on it, too.
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Yeah, they blame it on that, too. So it’s ridiculous. Look, folks, they’re lying to you. It’s that simple.
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Absolutely. Yesterday’s impossible question of the day. What is the largest living structure on Earth? That would be the Great Barrier Reef. It’s big. Yeah.
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That’s why it’s not called the Modest Barrier Reef.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it’s the Great Barrier Reef.
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Did Trump name it? I don’t know. He might have.
SPEAKER 13 :
He may have back in the day. Well, you know, they say that he used to be around a long time ago, the time travel. So, you know, maybe. Yeah, I think so. Very possible. Go ahead. Do you believe in time travel?
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No. I believe time is a fourth dimension. I won’t get into that, but yeah.
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Yeah, I do too. I don’t think there’s actual travel, although I do think it’s possible.
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I do know moments from now will be in the future, and we will have traveled there.
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That’s exactly right. We will be there.
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There you go.
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But tomorrow never comes. No. All right, today’s impossible question. What is the term for programmed cell death? What is the term for programmed cell death? Foggiest idea.
SPEAKER 04 :
Cellular death?
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Yeah, cell, C-E-L-L death, cell death.
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No clue.
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And I’m reading the answer, and I’m not sure I can even pronounce it.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, then.
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I’ll mention that tomorrow. So if you guys know the answer, answer that again on the Rush to Reason Facebook page. Okay. Yeah. Let’s get started on the war in Iran. Of course, we usually do an update on that because it’s still the hot topic. In fact, so hot, pardon the pun, so hot that we have a huge fire in Nebraska that hardly anyone is talking about, including the news media, because Iran, of course, is in the news daily. But there has been almost a million acres burned in Nebraska.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s horrible, isn’t it? Now, was it high winds that really drove it?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so. And remember, Nebraska is not only a farming state, but they raise a lot of cattle as well. The cattle herd has been down, and that’s why prices are up. They’re trying to get that back. Keep in mind, cattle graze. They eat a lot of what’s being burned up right now, so not a good situation.
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Well, and also, out on the plains, you don’t have a fire hydrant every couple blocks. I mean, that’s why they burn out of control.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct. So point being, it’s a big deal. Iran is taking center stage. And I get it. It affects the whole world where the fire in Nebraska actually does affect a lot more people than you think, especially given what I just said in regards to beef, beef prices and so on. So it’s actually more of an impact than what we’re being told. But, you know, news media is not going to cover that because Iran is the biggest thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can I say something that’s going to be very, very, very, very… It’s going to cause some people pain. Sure. I love the Iran war. I think it’s fantastic.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, there’s all good that will come out of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And does that mean I love war? No, I hate war. Okay. But I think that this war is going to avoid a lot more conflicts in the future. I think it’s going to prevent them. I don’t think there’s any question about this. I think we are cutting away the roots of the biggest state sponsor of terror around the world. And that’s going to affect them. I mean, and there are many other things we can go into.
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We talked about this a little bit yesterday. For those of you that maybe missed it, even Soren called in and we were talking about just what happens inside of the Islamic world and the reason why the other Islamic states, I say that quote-unquote, the Islamic states, you know, Qatar and Saudi Arabia and UAE and so on, you know, why they’re all on our side and against them is because, well, A, it’s two different belief systems inside of Islam and But on top of that, they’re just tired, I think, of the utter nonsense that comes out of Iran on an ongoing basis. It’s just like it’s like that little brother that’s constantly in trouble. You never know when they’re going to be in trouble, but you know they will be at some point. And you’re constantly on guard because, you know, at some point in time, you’re going to be having to, you know, basically make an excuse for them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. The only problem is when this little brother gets in trouble, people die. And I was, you know, I’m not a world cop guy, as you know. I opposed the Iraq War, as you know. Okay. And Ukraine as well. All right. So I’ve been against a couple different wars. So it’s not like I’m a big pro-war guy. But the… benefits of this and the timing of this are spectacular that’s all there is to it Trump was absolutely right by the way look at the timing it’s incredible he does this while Russia is entangled in a quagmire in Ukraine so the number one military ally of Iran can’t fight back can’t help him This is a great timing. It’s a wonderful time to take out their leaders.
SPEAKER 13 :
Stack on top of that what we did to China with Venezuela, and even they have been somewhat hurt, and then the trade negotiations as well. China’s economy is really struggling. This doesn’t do anything to help them, actually hurts them even more. Huge. These are big bargaining chips is really what Andy’s meaning to say right now when it comes to not only Russia but China and just the whole world front. I think even… Even the fact that, you know, again, I said this yesterday, but Trump pointing out over the weekend that the ballistic missile range that Iran has, which is almost twice as far as what they’ve ever claimed, proves that you can’t believe anything they say.
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Absolutely. You know, I’m going to say three things about this. For those who say the threat was not imminent. OK, that’s the number one complaint, right? The threat was not imminent. OK, number one is Ben Shapiro says, why do we have to wait until the threat is imminent?
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s a good question, too. Great point.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, that’s ridiculous. What matters is, are they pushing toward having the threat? Yes, they are. Take it out. Okay, so number one, why do we have to wait until it’s imminent? That’s crazy. That’s the dumbest strategy in the world. Number two, we offered them free uranium. enriched uranium for energy but not enriched for weaponry right for 10 years 10 years of free uranium and all we said was that you know you can’t use it you can’t enrich it further for weaponry and we need to have oversight to make sure you don’t that’s it but we are going to give you free stuff it is going to be great for your economy they said no that tells you immediately they want weaponry They want nukes. Right. Okay. And number three, of course, they lied about the range of their missiles. They said they only had short range, which go up to, what, around 1,300. They have intermediate, which go up to around 2,500. They lied. They have long range. Right. So… And the only people, and who was believing their lies all along, saying, short range, that’s all they got, that’s all they got. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, all these people are saying, we’re believing everything they were spewing. Okay, so they totally lied. Why are we to believe what stage they’re at? In terms of nukes.
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You can’t.
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That’s ludicrous. Look, you don’t wait until it’s imminent. You have somebody who has made it clear they want to develop nukes and they want to put them on missiles that, by the way, can travel almost twice as far as what they told you. Guys, this is an easy decision. This is a slam dunk.
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God Country Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we’re going to talk about messaging in the fifth, or sorry, the fifth hour, the third hour, five o’clock. The fifth hour, long show today. Long show, five hours. In the third hour, five o’clock, we’re going to talk about messaging because I think the Iran war has a lot to do in that area as well, which Andy and I will get into. But right now, it’s really, I think it’s important. And I believe right now, currently, the administration, Trump included, understands what I’m going to say next. And there’s even articles that have been written on this. It’s time because of midterms, not only because of midterms, but it’s just time that we start wrapping things up in Iran. Doesn’t mean it’s going to be completely finished, but the bulk of it needs to be done here rather quickly. I think it’s starting to wane on some people. Your independent middle of the road voter is probably looking at this saying, gosh, you know, we’ve got things happening here domestically. We need to get taken care of because of the war. Gas prices are up, blah, blah, blah. Now, Andy and I will talk about Iran. what the good is that’s going to come out of this war, which, by the way, will help in a lot of those areas I just mentioned.
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Huge.
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But you have to message that and get people to understand that. And I’ll just say it straight up. We stink at that. Yes. We don’t do a very good job of that, Andy.
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Republicans, and we’ll be talking about it in hour three, Republicans here in Colorado, and I love our candidates, but folks, you’re making a couple huge mistakes in your messaging. We’re going to talk about it then. They’re not selling anything well, and when we talk about the great outcomes of this war that are coming… I’m not confident they’re going to message it well. I’m confident Rubio will, but I’m not confident in anybody else.
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Okay. All right. Let’s talk about speaking of that unaffiliated voter. And really quick, sorry, I should mention this. Trump is claiming that there is an end to all of this, that Iran has agreed to no nuclear weapons. That’s a major concession. Of course, Iran is saying that they’re not even in talks, which, again, you can’t believe anything those guys say because they like you their teeth. Well, they’re very splintered.
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I mean, they are, you know, who’s in charge. So I believe both sides. Actually, I believe that there are elements in Iran saying we’re not having talks with them and we haven’t agreed to this. And I believe there are powerful elements in Iran who are having talks and are ready to sit down at the table and hammer this out.
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And they’ll have to figure out that side of it on their own. Right. Some way, somehow.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do believe this war is going to be over shortly.
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Yeah, and we kind of predicted this. We said three, four weeks max. We’re not going to be too far off of that. We may have missed it by a week or so, but I don’t think majorly speaking it’s going to be going on much past Easter. No. That’s my thought process.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I don’t think it is. I think he wants to wrap it up. And like you said, he needs to politically because, not just because you need to put this further in the rearview mirror for the American people for the midterms, because they don’t like this war. Because honestly, they’re dumb. And I know I’m being mean there, but the American people have no understanding of the benefits that are going to come from this war. They don’t get it. The benefits are off the charts. This is, I mean, just in terms of sheer benefits, the benefits of this war are amongst the greatest of any war in our recent history.
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Most voters, to your point, most people, not just voters, but most people in America don’t even understand basic economics of supply and demand, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. They don’t.
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I mean, sorry, folks. I’m being very honest when I say that there’s very elementary things that happen in life on a daily basis. And you’d be surprised how many individuals don’t even understand what I just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. I mean, did you see what the governor of New York said?
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Yes. Yes.
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You know, she’s calling, she says, because of our very generous welfare. Social programs. Social programs, right? That she’s calling on the wealthy people who have fled to Florida to come back and help pay for their very generous social programs.
SPEAKER 13 :
She’s serious. Yeah, she is. She’s dead serious. That’s how dumb she is.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, John, but you have to keep in mind that woman got a big majority of the votes. Okay. So a big majority of the people actually support somebody who says something so unbelievably stupid.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, so you take that and you look at the American people and you say, OK, do you understand what what the Iran war is actually going to do? They don’t. They don’t. They’re going to feel some initial pain because a few terror cells that are activated here, which came in, by the way, under Biden largely, are going to be activated. They’re going to cause some damage. Right. They will. OK, which now any reasonable person would say, well, gee, so they were here all along. They were dangerous all along just getting ready. So it was only a matter of time. But these people won’t. Most Americans will look at that and say, this war caused that. We made them mad. Those terror cells, they never would have done terror if it weren’t for this. This is what we’re dealing with.
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Agreed. Okay, speaking of unaffiliated voters, there was an article, and I wanted to get your opinion on this, in the Gazette, just came out here, oh, just a few days ago, three days ago, by Vince Bizdek. Am I saying that right? Bizdek, B-Z-D-E-K?
SPEAKER 04 :
I guess so.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t know how to say his last name. And the title of this particular article is It’s Time to Let Unaffiliated Voters Caucus. Now, Annie and I both and many of us or many people like us feel like, A, not only should we not let them caucus, we should get rid of the caucus system in general for both parties anyway. So realistically, it needs a complete revamp. And no, I am not in favor of letting unaffiliated caucus.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, besides which, first of all, it’s ludicrous. You caucus because of an affiliation.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because of a party. Right. Okay. You are literally not affiliated.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s like holding a wedding when you’re not marrying anyone.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. It doesn’t make any sense.
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Good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right.
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Just call it a party.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Secondly, caucus. Right. Just call it a party. Well, at that point, if they caucus, they have turned unaffiliated voters into a party.
SPEAKER 13 :
Now it’s a party.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re the unaffiliated party.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s right. That’s right. Exactly. They’re the unmarried married couple. We’re not going down that path, and I’m going to stand by, and Andy will, I know, as well. And by the way, this is gaining some traction. It’s funny. We started talking about this whole get rid of the caucus system, oh gosh, probably a year ago. Andy and I really sort of started talking about it, really have hammered it fairly hard the past six months or so. And ironically, sort of like Trump and Hope Shuppelman. people are listening. They’re finally starting, I think, to realize that, you know, maybe these two knuckleheads on the radio aren’t so dumb after all, and maybe we should actually look at that.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, really quick here. I remember when we first came out about Hope Shepelman, and we called on the president to reverse his decision, and we said, look, we love this guy, but this is a terrible decision. We listed the reasons why, and we took a lot of heat. We took a lot of fire, and what did Trump wind up doing? He wound up seeing the light and reversing his decision. On caucus… We have taken a lot of heat on saying the caucus needs to go. And it does. That heat is lessening.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and that heat is really coming from – Davidians, of course. Yeah, it’s coming from those hardcore Davidians and, again, the reality – and I’ve been through this before. They’re empowered by it. I was going to bring this up again, too, because I want to make sure you guys all understand how many states – in America actually caucus, because it’s not as many as everybody thinks. So there’s not too many caucuses anymore. Period. I think we’re down to, let me make sure that I’m getting this correct. It’s harder on my little screen here because I’ve got to change the way things look. Let’s see here. We have, of course, Nevada, Idaho, us. That’s not right. There’s more than that. Hold on. States that use caucuses. Let me click this right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Iowa.
SPEAKER 13 :
Iowa, of course. What did I determine the other day, Andy? There’s six states.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s more than that. I think nine.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is it nine?
SPEAKER 04 :
I thought it was in the team.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s in the single digits, folks. It’s not that many.
SPEAKER 04 :
But it’s actually in single digits now? One, two, three. I know it’s been falling.
SPEAKER 13 :
One, two, three, four, five, seven.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, here’s the bottom line, John.
SPEAKER 13 :
There’s seven.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s lots of states that don’t use it, and guess what? They have plenty of liberty. Their people are actually more represented, not less, because caucus crushes representation. It crushes participation. We’ll get to that in a moment. Okay, but that’s what it does. That’s the whole point of caucus is it destroys participation. This idea that it unleashes the grassroots and raises participation is a total myth. It goes absolutely against the numbers. All right. And finally, caucus produces some of the most conservative states. I mean, removing it. produces some of the most conservative states in the country, Florida, Texas, so forth. It doesn’t work. You don’t need it. In fact, you’ve got some open primary, and you know I’m not a fan of them, but you’ve got some open primary states that are very conservative. Okay. So anyway, yeah, caucus disaster. Nothing crushes participation like caucus.
SPEAKER 13 :
Go ahead. So states that do both, Alaska, Hawaii, Missouri, Nevada, North Dakota, and Utah, and then there’s those other six states that just do caucus only. So again, folks, out of 50 states, it’s a very small number. that still use the caucus system only and or use caucus and primary like we have here in Colorado. And of course, we have folks here in Colorado as soon as the, mark our words on this one, as soon as the assembly takes place in Colorado here in the next, what is it, month? Yeah, next few weeks. Mark our words. If the Rhino Watch Davidians have their way, which they most likely will, they will have somebody that is in charge of the GOP in Colorado that will then proceed to remove us from the primary system, period. We will become caucus only like these other states, and it will even be worse than it is right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And what does that mean? Our candidates will only be chosen through caucus and assembly.
SPEAKER 13 :
You won’t have anybody petitioning on the ballot any longer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And just, you know, first of all, with the people who right now run the state central committee, you are going to get crazies in charge of the party. Now, that is a guarantee. OK, we saw it under Dave and Hope. OK, Hope was our vice chair. That crazy woman was our vice chair. OK, the crazy guy was our chair. All right. The that is going to be in charge of the Colorado Republican Party, which honestly, I believe all Colorado Republicans should simply look at the state party and say, you don’t represent us. You don’t. Not because we want to say that, but because they literally don’t. How are they chosen? How’d they get their jobs? Right. They got their jobs by being chosen at an assembly at assemblies that are attended by a sliver of one percent of Colorado Republicans. They don’t represent us at all. They’ve been overwhelmed by an activist group.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Because that’s what make sure that we’re clear on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s just numbers.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s yeah, that’s what. And I get it, and I’ve heard all of the arguments as to why we should have caucus versus having a primary system only. They don’t hold up at all. Still want to stay involved politically, but they don’t have the time or energy or, frankly, mental willpower to actually go through the caucus system because it is daunting in and of itself. If you don’t believe me, go and do one, and you’ll understand exactly what I mean. They are not fun. They are arduous in a lot of cases, depending upon which one you’re in and where you’re at. They can be very difficult to get into because it’s the good old boys club in a lot of ways. It is a very antiquated system that needs to be tossed out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, and because of the small numbers, you’ll go to them and you’ll just be overwhelmed by this activist group that has been placing people all over the state. Right. Which, by the way, Steve Bannon. wrote a book, I believe, on how to do this, how to take over the precincts. And this is exactly what they’re doing. So this is their blue book. I see. For Colorado. But let me ask you a few quick questions, John. Yes. If we want the grassroots activated, and I do, do you want more people or fewer people involved? More. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Always.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Question number two, the caucus. Does that involve more people or fewer? Always less. It crushes participation. Always less. Fewer than 1%. So 99% have rejected the program.
SPEAKER 13 :
And really quick, for those of you who would say, well, why, John? Why, Andy? Why is that? Why is there so less participation? Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they say it’s because we don’t advertise it well enough. All these ridiculous excuses. Folks, I got news for you. Republicans know the caucus is available. They know it’s out there. And if they want to go, all they got to do is ask anyone with their county party, and they’ll find out where to go.
SPEAKER 13 :
Or go online. It’s real easy to find out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, newsflash. They’re not asking because they don’t want to know.
SPEAKER 13 :
The market doesn’t want it. They don’t care. It’s extremely time-consuming. People are busy. Most caucuses are held in the evenings when people are doing other things, or they’re held on Saturdays when they want to go do things with their families. I mean, at the end of the day, this isn’t because – because this is the other thing I’ve heard. This isn’t because these are people that don’t want to be involved and don’t want to participate and don’t want to put forth the effort, because that’s what you hear from the caucus goers. Oh, these people don’t go because they just don’t want to put forth the effort.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, one second. Think about that for a moment. They are literally branding over 99% of the Colorado Republicans as lazy, stupid, uninvolved, uncommitted. They are putting that label on over 99% of the state party.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Think about that.
SPEAKER 13 :
And then they wonder why more of them don’t attend. Yeah, I shouldn’t say state party of Republicans in the state. But go ahead. But bottom line, it’s inconvenient. That’s how they look at them. It is. It’s inconvenient. It’s not fun. It’s not something that is rewarding in any way, shape, or form. Now, for you that are hardcore activists, it is to you because you continue to win. But if you’re trying to go in there to make any kind of change or be rational at all with your thought process, it becomes very, very frustrating. Trust me. Been there, done that. It becomes extremely frustrated for those that really want to see change and see things move in the right direction. Again, it becomes the good old guard, the good old boys club. They’re the ones that continue to run things. I know before somebody messages me or calls in, there are exceptions to what I just said there is with anything, okay? You might find that, you know, one or two percent of precincts where there’s an exception to what i just said but in reality that is the majority of what happens in caucus oh yeah there are some nice neighborhood precincts that are run that don’t come off like that at all i understand that correct john
SPEAKER 04 :
These people who say, well, if you don’t have caucus, then the good old boys, the rich good old boys take over. Wait a minute. You people in favor of caucus are the ones erecting a system that over 99% of the market doesn’t want to go to. And then you overwhelm the 1%. But you’re saying you’re not the good old boys?
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Good point. You’re dramatically lowering participation to under 1% and then overwhelming the 1% so you can seize power. And you’re saying that you’re not the good old boys.
SPEAKER 13 :
And as I’ve said many times, because of everything Andy just said, the system that we have in Colorado produces and really collects grifters.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
It does on an ongoing basis because people know folks like Hope Shepelman, who can come here five, six, seven years ago, whatever it is, get extremely involved in the system as to the system we’re talking about right now and do very well and then now have a job with Trump because of all of her shenanigans that she’s done. It just shows you that you can be a grifter, come to Colorado, and advance yourself in doing so.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I just proved it. I’ll prove it one more way. The people who supported Hope Shepleman, okay, that person, that crazy candidate who was such a lunatic that Donald Trump just had to literally reverse course and throw her out of the race, the people who support her are about to take over the state party. Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s where we are right now because of caucus.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s scary in a way. And it’s going to be a really major thing to fix. I am. let me say this for those of you listening that have the ability like i and andy to maybe have some influence on caucus and doing away with i am willing to start heading down that path it’s not going to be cheap it’ll be expensive it’s going to require a lot of fundraising because it’s something that we’ll have to run a ballot initiative for It will it will change. This is one thing I got to check in. Somebody maybe that’s smarter than me should should check on this. And maybe, Andy, you know, if you eliminate caucus, can you do it for one party or is it affect both? Both. So in Colorado, we’d have to affect both.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Which have to be an initiative.
SPEAKER 13 :
I will say this. I think there’s enough Democrats even out there that agree with Andy and I on this one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the problem is that. The Democrats, a good portion of them love caucus, not because they like it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, but they just had a big battle inside of some of theirs as well, Andy, just recently.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know they did. But the thing they love about it is they’re watching how it’s destroyed the Republican Party. Their opponent has been destroyed by caucus.
SPEAKER 13 :
But if they’re not careful, the same thing could happen to them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Possibly.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s the way you’d have to sell that to them is listen, you guys have already had some little scuttlebutts inside of your own caucus system. So, you know, be careful what you wish for when it comes to wanting Republicans to continue on with that. That’s how you’d have to sell it to them.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s worth a try.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, here’s the thing. For those of you listening that are in our camp, this wouldn’t be for the faint of heart. It won’t be cheap. You may not get it done the first round. You could easily, Andy, by the time you get this done, and it may take you a couple of years or more to get this done through a ballot initiative, you could easily spend a million bucks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Easily. And here’s the big thing. You’re going to have to have the messaging. So I’m going to have to get involved on this because, folks, I got news for you. The people who support caucus, they have a list of talking points that they have. They’re all lies. And I know how to expose every one of them because I do it. I’ve done it now for the last couple of years. But if you do not know how to address these talking points, they’re going to run you over.
SPEAKER 13 :
Here’s the plus side to what I’m talking about and Andy’s talking about. Going back to the whole topic of this particular segment of unaffiliated voters. They like to be involved. I think they’d like to be even more involved than they are right now. If you went with a strictly primary system in Colorado only… Granted, they can vote in our primary system now, but if there was no caucus and they felt like they could be more involved than they are right now, it would change things in Colorado greatly. Here’s my point. The main target to get to vote for that particular ballot measure would be the unaffiliateds. Yes. You’re going to have 99 percent of Republicans, in my opinion, already wanting to do that because they don’t go to caucus anyways, Andy. So between the unaffiliated and the 99 percent of Republicans that are registered to vote, if you get just both of those on your side, you’ve got it passed.
SPEAKER 04 :
You do. But here’s the big problem. Unaffiliated. here’s the big problem. Then we’ll go to break. I’m sorry. I don’t want to drive. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Um, you have a contingent of Republicans who still believe that caucus is the way for the grassroots. Now they can’t explain why the grassroots are thriving in Florida, Texas, Mississippi, all these places that don’t have caucus.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They can’t explain that. Okay. They act like Colorado is the only world, but anyway, number one, that’s a portion of the Republican party. The rest of the Republican Party, you can probably get to turn against it. Number two, a lot of Democrats love it only because of what it’s done to the Republican Party. And because of that, they don’t want it to go away because they love it destroying us. Number three, the unaffiliated, you would like them to vote with you, but here’s the problem. They don’t care about the issue at all. They look at it and say, it doesn’t affect me.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and that’s where you’d have to message and tell them, well, in a way, yes, it does.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I know, but what I mean is getting them to hear that message is going to take a lot of money.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s going to take a lot of money. You’re going to have to message to them that, yes, actually moving forward, you would have a lot more involvement in politics in Colorado than you do right now. And that would be the message you’d have to sell. And that would take cash. Yeah, because folks, listen, cash, some of you are going to say, what do you mean by that? TV ads, radio ads, you know, things that you would actually put out on social media. Huge. And, you know, just the conversations alone and, of course, all the petitioning you’d have to do and so on and so forth. Yeah, it would cost a lot. But here’s my point. If we on our side. Conservatives like myself and Andy, if we don’t start putting some meat behind this and start putting our money where our mouth is, we’re going to have a state that never, ever, ever sees the light of day in red. In fact, a lot of the areas right now where we keep red in those areas, those will slowly diminish and go away.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
They will not exist.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, Colorado Springs has a Democrat mayor now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, folks, look around. Parker has a Democrat mayor. We are not wrong in what we’re saying. If you have any hope at all left for Colorado in doing anything positive when it comes to politics and turning things back on a more conservative note, caucus has to go away.
SPEAKER 04 :
It has to.
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SPEAKER 13 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, Andy, you’ve got some other examples and things that you’d like to combat the narrative of.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, because here’s the big thing. If we are going to do this, John, if we’re going to do this, it is going to take an army of people who are trained online to go after the arguments of the pro-Caucus people. True. Because let’s keep in mind, the pro-Caucus people, when you get right down to it, the reason they want caucus… is power true okay they want a very small group making very big decisions for the party because they can overwhelm a very small group all right now one of the things that they say is uh caucus doesn’t hold out the 99 because anyone can attend anyone can attend caucus okay so what’s the answer to that the answer is it doesn’t matter how many can attend It matters how many do attend.
SPEAKER 13 :
How many do.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that is less than 1% of Colorado Republicans. So you have put a product out. You see, caucus is a product. It is. You’ve put out a product that 99% of the market has rejected. And then you’re telling that 99%. If you don’t accept this, you’re lazy. You see where I’m going with this? If you don’t accept my product, if you don’t like my way, if you don’t like jumping through my hoops. Go away. Well, then you are lazy. You are not committed. You are not involved.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re not grassroots.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re not grassroots, which is ludicrous, by the way. And there’s another thing. They say the grassroots. This is pro-grassroots. If you’re against the caucus, you’re against grassroots, to which I say this. How can less than 1% be the grassroots? Isn’t the 99% the grassroots? Obviously it is. Therefore, caucus is anti-grassroots. Caucus is where a small group can seize great power, outsized power. The grassroots is about giving more power to more of the people. That’s the whole point of the grassroots. What do you think?
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re right. And again, as we’ve talked, and those of you that are listening, if you have any interest in this at all, something that you would like to discuss, some of you have contacts with individuals that have much deeper pockets than we do and have the ability maybe to move this thing along. My gut feeling would be, my goal, I guess you could even say, would be you’ve got to run this in an off year. Andy and I were just talking about that earlier. A moment ago, you can’t run this in a year like this where we’re on every other year cycle. It’s a big election year for the governor and so on. You have a higher turnout is my point to get this thing to be successful. You need actually, believe it or not, lower voter turnout, which you would have in 2027, not in 2026 or 2028. So you run this in a 2027, 2029 year. But 2027, I think you’ve got enough time to actually be ready for. But that would be the goal would be to run that in an off year and have that happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and the big reason is because you can make it a bigger issue during that year. During an election year, the big issue is the people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is the election.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, it’s the election. It’s the midterms this year. Obviously, in 2028, it’s going to be the presidential election.
SPEAKER 13 :
You definitely don’t want to do it then. So really, if we want to do this, folks listening, and some of you, again, have… A lot more power and money than I have, but maybe don’t have the ability to be the voice of this, which we do. And we’d be more than willing to make that happen. We could collectively make this thing work. And by the way, I think collectively could get this thing done. It will be an uphill battle. I’m not going to tell you that it’s a slam dunk by any way, shape or form. I’m here to tell you the only way to eliminate these Bozo folks that are in charge right now, the Rhino Watcher Davidians, the only way to get rid of them is to get rid of caucus. Right. Get rid of caucus. They’re gone. They’re done because that’s their lifeblood. They no longer exist if we do that. And I’ve been by the way, I’ve been racking my brain for the past several months on how do we beat these knuckleheads that are out there? How do we beat the anti? Because this is what I’m going to call them. How do we beat the anti-American, anti-conservative, rhino-watch Davidians that are out there? Because literally, that’s what they are. They are not for the good of the cause in getting anything conservative done in Colorado. They are anti-everything I and Andy and others like us stand for, and they need to go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, let me ask you something, John. Do you think Hope Scheppelman’s supporters thought she could win in the general? No. No. They knew she couldn’t. They were literally… They were literally willing to destroy the GOP.
SPEAKER 13 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 04 :
And help the Democrats. They don’t care. You see what I mean?
SPEAKER 13 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, they are. I’ll say it again. They are anti-American. They are anti-conservative. They will claim to be all American and all Trump and all MAGA and all this and all that. And the reality is nothing could be farther from the truth.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrite brats. grifter liars and some of them right now i probably should mention names but i won’t i’ll be nice today maybe i’ll do it another day but today i’ll be nice there are those that are throwing their hat in the ring to actually be gop chair that i just want to roll over and laugh at yeah honestly i’m gonna roll over and laugh at yeah they’re mostly crazies they’re crazy grifters but the crazy grifters are gonna win they probably will i mean i want you to think about the worst possible people
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s who’s going to get elected. Why? Because the Davidians have overrun the SEC.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because the insane asylum is running things.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’ve got most of the voters.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
The inmates are running the asylum. Right. Literally, Andy. There’s no other explanation for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
And people say, well, how can you be so judgmental? How can you? It’s just the truth, Andy. No, no, you understand, folks. It’s simple numbers. Because caucus is so small and the Davidians have a very mobilized activist base, they overrun caucus. That gets them the precinct leader positions. And from there, those go to the assemblies and elect the leadership. And that’s where they get the state central committee. That’s where it comes from. All right. They have used the system to seize power. Now they have it. And what we are basically saying is we need to take away the system.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep. Yeah, basically, let’s take away their tools, which is what they have right now. They can’t win in the primary. Actually, let me rephrase that. And we’ve got time. We can run all the way to the end here and combine breaks. We’re on a roll here. Let me rephrase this, Andy. This is much like folks that are arsonists. Okay, they want to burn things down. They do it with gasoline and a match.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
So here’s what we need to do with the current Rhino Watch Davidian group that are out there. We’ve got to take away their gasoline and their match. That is the caucus.
SPEAKER 04 :
And their tinder.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the tinder that goes with it, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, caucus is the tinder they get to light on fire.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep, and that’s exactly what they use it for. Right. So we have to take that away from them if we have any chance at all of having any form of conservatism left in Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
So those of you listening, if you have any inkling at all and really understand what we’re talking about and have any kind of a drive to do this, you need to reach out and let us know because we need to proceed with this. Because otherwise, folks, I am here to tell you, mark my words on this, we’re done as a state as far as conservatives go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yes, absolutely. By the way, can I give another argument?
SPEAKER 13 :
We will not have a snowball’s chance of doing anything moving forward, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can I give another argument?
SPEAKER 13 :
Go for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, another one they say is, well, this is representative government, okay? It doesn’t matter that assembly is only a sliver of 1%. That’s representative government. They are the people who have been sent forth to elect and choose our candidates and leadership. Okay, here’s the answer. Really? So representative government represents less than 1%? No. I didn’t know that. It does not. Look, they are representing those who go to caucus, which is less than 1% of Colorado Republicans. You’ve set up a system with so many hoops, the market has rejected it. They’re not representing anyone. Representative government can’t be representing less than 1% of the people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Go ahead. I’m getting some text messages and saying, hey, I’ll help. I’ll donate, whatever. You know what? Appreciate that. Thank you guys so much. I mean that sincerely. I guess the next thing we have to determine is, structurally speaking, what’s our next move to make this happen? Do we form a PAC? What do we do here to make this happen?
SPEAKER 04 :
I will talk to Eli.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Find out, because I’m in. Because he’s a believer in this. I’m ready. And there’s enough of us.
SPEAKER 04 :
I am too.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think there’s enough of us now, finally, that are ready for this, that we need to quit talking about it, Andy, and actually start doing something. Because here’s the other thing that this will do, just for everybody listening. If you get involved in this and we start getting any kind of momentum, this will take some fire, some kindling, I guess you could say, away from the Rhino Watch Davidians because we will now be one of their targets and they will have to be dealing with us as much as they are some of the other nonsense they dink around with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Am I correct in that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And I say bring it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I do too. I got no problem with that. I want to be a distractor to them by doing this, if nothing else. Now, I do think there’s enough ability to have some traction whereby this thing could very well pass and we could get rid of caucus altogether, which frankly is what needs to happen for Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yes. And by the way, folks, real quick, look at the other side of it if we pass it. Look at Florida. Are you going to tell me that the grassroots are not engaged and empowered? They’re very much so. The participation is way higher in those states because you don’t have these ridiculous hoops to jump through.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Yeah. Make it easy for people to be involved. And guess what, folks? They will be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, don’t make them go to a meeting where they have to campaign for the right to cast a vote at another meeting. They don’t want that. They just want to cast a vote. So make it easier for them to participate, and guess what? They will.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the other thing, too, that gets really weird about caucuses, sometimes even where they’re held, how they’re held, you feel like you’re entering somebody’s personal space to even be there in the first place. The whole thing – I’m sorry, folks. Caucus in and of itself – In a lot of ways, not all of them, but in a lot of ways, they’re just weird.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, when I was running District 12 and then the vice chair, you know, I oversaw a lot of the caucuses. Most of them we did in schools.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. And that was fine. That’s fine. That’s easy. That’s unobtrusive at that point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, I enjoyed getting together and seeing everybody and doing that. But this was in the days before the Davidians came up. Right. Before the activist crowd realized. But I will say this, because I was part of the Arapahoe Tea Party at the time, and this was at the beginnings of it. They were at the time starting to talk about doing what they have now achieved. Yeah. Yes. They saw the opportunity. They said, look, these are small groups. We can overwhelm them.
SPEAKER 13 :
And that’s exactly what they’ve done.
SPEAKER 04 :
And why can we do that? Because we get together every month. The normies out there don’t. Okay, we get together every month. We have a mobilized army. We can overwhelm those.
SPEAKER 13 :
And again, for those of you listening that have any inkling of doing this, we have, and I know I can get support here from even the station, because believe me, Don Crawford Sr. wants to see some great things happen to this state, and it’s been a concern of his for years in the direction that we go on a year-to-year basis. Believe me, we have a platform whereby we could do some things on radio, messaging-wise and so on, that you’re going to have a hard time getting done in a lot of other areas and a lot of other stations in town because they’re not going to have that same sort of gratitude for what we’re doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
We will carry the torch.
SPEAKER 13 :
We’ll make it happen. So if you’re somebody out there listening and you feel inclined, you feel pulled in this direction that, yeah, we got to do something because the direction that we’re headed is not going to work, then you know what? We need to collectively get a dozen or so of us together Find out exactly, you know, what do we need to do organizationally speaking to make this thing happen? And then we need to start moving this thing forward. Get the ball moving.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And John, I’ll sum it up with this. I think it’s time for all Colorado Republicans to take their party back.
SPEAKER 13 :
Agree. Because it’s been taken by the Rhino Watch Davidians.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Caucus is a gatekeeper. Mm hmm. We need to get the gatekeeper out of the way. Let all the people in.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, we need to take the gates off the hinges.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, get the gates off the hinges.
SPEAKER 13 :
Get them completely gone and move Colorado in the right direction because, unfortunately, this next assembly, it’s going to actually padlock the gates even more so than they are right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s going to wrap chains around them to the point where you’re not going to get them open again unless you just tear them off the hinges.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. I’m not even planning on going. There’s no point. They have the numbers.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, Andy, unfortunately— The crazies are in control. Unfortunately, like I said earlier, the inmates are going to run the asylum. Right. And, folks, I’m not using that metaphorically speaking. That is a true statement. The crazies will definitely be in charge more so than they have been.
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John, for me, being there now is like being a Republican in San Francisco. There’s no point.
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SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, people asking in the text line, how did we come about with caucus in Colorado in the first place? Well, it happened in 1910 by a special session that was called by Governor John Shafroth, who, by the way, used to be a Republican, then a Civil Republican, then a Democrat. And he was a Democrat in 1910 when he did this. It was a part… It was part of a package of progressive reforms. It was seen as a way to limit the power of party bosses and to attract more grassroots involvement. The caucus system was abolished in favor of presidential primaries in 1992, but restored in 2002 with the defeat of Amendment 29 and cost considerations. The fully restored Colorado caucus was in 2004. So we’ve tried to get rid of it before. It didn’t work out so well, but folks, we need to do it again.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, you mentioned one thing, Cost Considerations Caucus is expensive as hell.
SPEAKER 13 :
Which is the, yeah, so them to say you have to keep it because of cost is absolutely just asinine.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s insane.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because it’s the opposite of that. Right. All right, we’ll be back. Hour 2 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
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