HR1 Rush To Reason November 12, 2024 by John Rush
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All right, welcome. Happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie Grimes, of course, with us as well. We’ve got Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man with us. Jordan, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Great to be with you. It’s a changed world from when we last spoke.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is a little different, yeah. Things are a little redder this week than last.
SPEAKER 14 :
A lot redder, yes. The nation spoke, I think. What’s good about what just happened is that you may like him, you may not like him, but at least Trump’s going to have a Congress that’s going to do what he wants, so they’re going to give his ideas a chance to work. They may work, they may not work, but at least he’s not going to have to battle with a divided congress not be able to get anything done i mean biden pretty much had that the first two years and the last two years he pretty much got nothing done because republicans control the house in this case he’s going to be able to do what he wants
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Well, and also, Jordan, you’re right, because it’s totally different this time, because last time, especially with lawfare, all the lawsuits, all the accusations, the Russian collusion hoax. Let’s face it. It was a hoax. It was proven as such. All these things that they launched at him, they basically sucked the life out of his entire four year administration. He wasn’t able to get that many things done this time. He’s coming in. All of that’s behind him. He has nothing in his way. He’s going to pass virtually everything he wants and very quickly.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, well, he still does have a sentencing coming up at the end. I hope that that doesn’t, you know, cause any trouble. No, I don’t think so. You know, he could do half his time in the White House and half his time in the Leavenworth or something. But, you know, we’ll see. It’s going to be hard for the judge to have. Just dismiss them altogether with 34 convictions.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, he would love it. He would love to govern from prison through his VP. No, I’m serious. Donald Trump wouldn’t mind at all going and spending a few months in there because he would come out an even greater martyr than before.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that would do nothing but guarantee a 2028 election for the right again.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and that’s why I don’t think they’re going to do it because, my gosh, I mean, you might as well just pen in J.D. Vance as president in 28. It’s done at that point.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, you have over half of the country, well over half of the country, and a lot of those, not just men, women as well, basically saying, we don’t like the way things have been done. We want a change. If they did something like that, Jordan, again, to Andy’s point, it would sew up the next election.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, he’d love it. So let’s hope that doesn’t happen. Let’s get a working president who has a Congress who wants to do what he wants. A lot of people will be screaming, but a lot of people will be cheering. I’ve been hearing a lot of people cheering since the last week or so.
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Wall Street has been.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wall Street has definitely been cheering. It’s down a little bit today, but it’s pretty much been hitting… record highs. And what’s really been sharing is Bitcoin. Bitcoin got up to 90,000 today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, obviously, Jordan, really quick, I’m sorry, but before you race on, I know he’s a big fan of Bitcoin, so it was going to run ahead. Can you explain why Wall Street overall jumped so well? And by the way, people who work Wall Street, three to one, they supported Harris. And yet Wall Street roared forward. Why was that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it’s a combination. We’re going to go through all these factors during this hour, but I would say deregulation is one of the big reasons. When businesses don’t have as much regulation, they’re free to do what they want and invest. That’s very positive. There’ll be a lot more mergers and acquisitions, which means the value of existing companies goes up. So that’s a positive. I think they’re talking about the corporate tax rate coming down from 21% to 15%. That would be very positive for corporate profits. And there’s just a ton of money on the sidelines pent up demand. that has been waiting for what happened with the election, and then after the election when they got a clear direction, soared into it. There’s a lot more money, trillions of dollars, sitting on the sidelines still to come in.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and again, like you said a moment ago, we’ll get into all of these things throughout this hour today. Where do you want to start, Jordan? We’ve got a few minutes here before we even go to break. What topic do you want to cover first?
SPEAKER 14 :
Because inflation was really the key issue that made a lot of people vote for Trump. Very true. They just didn’t want prices going up. So let’s talk about his policies’ impact on inflation. There are some positive and there are some negatives. The positive ones would mean for lower inflation, deregulation of agencies because less cost to government and more efficiency. So that’s positive. Certainly the energy policy and what I’m calling the drill baby drill department is going to produce a lot more oil, which should bring down oil prices, which is disinflationary. So that’s a very good thing. On the other side, the thing that could be more inflationary would be tariffs. And I’m not clear he’s actually going to do the tariffs. He’s certainly going to threaten them, and it may be used as a negotiating tactic to get things that he wants. But if, in fact, he did put in tariffs… That gets passed on in the form of higher prices to consumers.
SPEAKER 16 :
It does initially, depending upon what the tariff is and what goods it’s trying to affect. It could also bring some of that back home. As you know, it just depends on which one it is. I personally think that will be more strategic, and I don’t see him laying out tariffs to the point that it increases inflation. That’s just my two cents.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, he doesn’t want inflation back. That clearly is what hurt Biden and Harris so much. So he doesn’t want to reverse that. But he’s talking about 10% across the board and maybe 60% against China. And he’s talked about specific things. For example, when John Deere was going to move a factory to Mexico, he said, we’ll put a 200% tariff on any equipment coming back to Mexico. So that stopped them from doing that. So that’s the kind of thing he does, is threaten tariffs. and the negotiating tactics to get what he wants. So if he does that, and we get what we want, which is free or open markets, then that’s very positive. But if, in fact, we do put tariffs on, it’s going to raise costs, and these tariffs are not paid by the foreign countries. They’re paid by us. China charges 10% more. that gets passed on in the form of higher prices. So that would be potentially inflationary.
SPEAKER 16 :
Of course. Keep in mind on the flip side of that is if it gets to be too much and sales for that particular good drops, in other words, people figure out, well, I don’t need to buy XYZ. I can buy ABC instead. Well, then that company has to look at, wait a minute, we’re not competing in the marketplace like we once were. Maybe we better figure out how to build cars or trucks or, or whatever it happens to be, which, by the way, a lot of them have, in the United States of America, so we don’t have that any longer.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s the reason he would be doing the tariffs, would be encourage companies to, I guess they call it reshoring, if they’ve been offshoring, to bring it back. But that’s a very long-term process to bring a factory back here and so on. And we’ve exported a huge amount of our jobs to Mexico and Mexico, all throughout Asia and so on. So the tariffs can be quick. The reshoring is a very long-term kind of process to get the jobs back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, Jordan, I’ve got two questions on the tariffs, and answer whichever one you want first. First of all, I believe that China is the most terrified country on the planet right now, now that Donald Trump is going to be going back to office. And number two, going back to the auto industry, aren’t they going to be helped a lot by just waiving the EV mandate?
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re talking about the Chinese, you mean, would be helped?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 14 :
First of all, the American… The American makers.
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American makers waiving the EV mandate, I think, really helps them. I think that was a very pro-union move.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, there are federal mandates and then there are state mandates. Right. Okay, so for example, I think California is like, by 2032, all cars have to be made that are sold are EVs. I think it’s something like that. So they’d have to override that with the federal mandates going away. But, yes, I think the manufacturing – now, as I understand it, General Motors officially says that they’re going to have their entire fleet be electric by 2035. Isn’t that right, John? I mean, you’re the expert on these things.
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Yeah, that’s what they’ve talked about, although they’ve pulled back from some of that of late and have even got new development, new V8 engine development in play right now. So, frankly, I think that was a lot of lip service to the Biden administration.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. So, I mean, the problem has been consumers don’t want to buy these things. No, they don’t. Some do. Yeah.
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As you know, with any kind of technology, a faction of individuals out there will want that and can make it work. And so, by the way, I’m all for let the free market dictate that versus government, you know, mandating on the same token. There’s a lot of folks out there that can’t. make that work. There’s a lot of fleet owners and hot shotters and so on where they need a diesel truck to do what they need to do. They’re not going to be able to do it with an EV. The reality is the technology isn’t to a point to where it can be total mainstream.
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The other thing is that China has been making a huge amount of electric vehicles at much lower prices. Now, we’ve kind of blocked them here. Europe has let them in, and they’ve kind of overwhelmed the European carmakers. So that’s an area where I think we’re going to continue to block them, because that would be a real danger. If people can buy an electric vehicle here for $20,000 instead of $50,000 or $60,000, I think a lot of Americans are going to have to pay for gas and so on. So that’s an example of trade where I think we should protect our companies, because it just devastates women. We can’t compete against the low wages that they have in China to produce EVs.
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No, and really quick on the car front, I don’t know this for a fact because I haven’t seen one of their cars up close, but knowing how the Chinese do things, I would highly doubt that they would pass all of the safety regulations we have in this country and then still be sold at the same price they’re selling them in other countries. We, as you know, Jordan, have much tighter regulations when it comes to airbag deployment, and, and, and, and, and. I can go down the list of things that we require, you know, crash stability, et cetera, that other countries don’t do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Any car show in America would have to pass the NHTSA guidelines. I don’t think they’d be able to let them do that.
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I don’t think their cars do at this point is my point.
SPEAKER 06 :
But, John, we have Trump. We’re deregulating. I’m already cutting out the seatbelts from my car.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that ain’t going to happen. He’ll deregulate some things, but it’s not going to be that. I can tell you that right now. And frankly, Jordan, we’ve gotten to the point even as consumers in America where even if you want, which I’ve always been a proponent of, make cars that, frankly, anybody wants to buy. And if you want to buy a car that is completely, you know, unairbagged, unseat belted, et cetera, that’s, you know, that’s your choice if you want to buy that car or not. I really don’t think most would because people do like safety and some of the things that are, I mean, most modern cars today are being bought with things that aren’t even mandated because people like those features on the car.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. That’s right. So it’s going to be a big change for the auto industry because they’ve been pushing really hard to try to meet these mandates. And Biden moved them up even more aggressively correct uh… so that will be a relief to the industry at the from except there’s still a lot of foreign competition there is out there and and i mean i remember we have the strike uh… with the u a w and they got a very big wage increase and it was like thirty five percent like that correct and the uh… a lot of the cars made this country about union you know that bmw and mercedes and nissan and toyota southern plants are not union. So the market share of the big three traditional automakers have been shrinking because of quality and lower cost because of the labor difference.
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All right, we’ll come right back. Jordan, how do folks get a hold of you, sir?
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Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com is my email.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man. Jordan, really quick, back to China, who, by the way, their economy, unless somebody has been in a cave, probably knows that they’re not doing well. They’re struggling. They’re doing the best they can to infuse the economy and get things back on track. I firmly believe they were all in for Joe Biden and the Kamala Harris team. That didn’t pan out, and I am guessing that they woke up to the results, because they’re way ahead of us. So they woke up to the results thinking, holy crap, now what do we do?
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Right. No, you’re right. It’s a big threat to them. I mean, we’re their biggest market. And if we put tariffs, even 10%, never mind 60%, on Chinese imports, that would really hurt their economy badly, which is already in bad shape, because they have this gargantuan overhang of all this unfinished property. Literally millions of apartments… that were built or half-built or never built or kind of lost capital out there. So, indeed, this would really hurt them very badly. So, I mean, there was a… And, by the way, really quick interject.
SPEAKER 16 :
Here’s my thoughts on that. Good. Good. They are not our allies. They are our stark enemies. Good. I could care less.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that’s okay, except there’s a lot of stuff that we don’t make at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
And we should. That’s a mistake on our part, national security-wise. We should.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, go ahead, Jordan. That’s nice, but it doesn’t happen instantly.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, but Jordan, if there’s never a trigger to get it started in the first place, it never happens. And this perpetual motion of those things continuing to be built offshore and in China is ridiculous. There’s no reason why we’re not doing some of that stuff here, other than the fact that It was much cheaper to have it done there. The Chinese manipulated their markets and their currency to make it easier to have done there. They’ve screwed us over over the years, and it’s time to get some of that back.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. No, I agree they’ve done that, and that built their economy enormously at our expense. But you just can’t instantly have things that are only made in China made in the U.S.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I’m not disagreeing with that. On the same token, Jordan, at what point do you say enough’s enough?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, right now. I think we are now. Yeah. But it’s going to be… Remember, during the Trump administration, the first one, they did have a trade agreement with China, where they said they would buy a lot more, for example, American agricultural goods.
SPEAKER 06 :
And Biden did not enforce it, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, some of it. They bought more of our goods. We still have an enormous trade deficit with China, something like $600 billion a year. So it helped a little bit, but we still have an enormous deficit with them. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, could this go both ways, though? Obviously, overall, China is going to lose the upcoming negotiations. There’s no question. Okay. Trump is going to make life much worse for them overall than what it is now. However, are there things that America could do in investing in China to help them? I mean, when you look at all these, I mean, all the real estate they’ve built or partially built or whatever. I mean, is there anything that we can do maybe even to take advantage of some of that? Or is there nothing?
SPEAKER 16 :
I would stay away from the real estate sector. Me too. I would touch that with a 10-foot pole.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, it looks dead.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s in my notes for today. Really quick, Jordan, I didn’t send you this, but China is said to have considered, or they’re considering cutting the cost of home purchases by lowering the deed tax, which they have in China, from 3% to 1%. I mean, they’re doing everything they possibly can to try to drive their economy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. People have been devastated. If you think of yourself as putting all your life savings into an apartment, and then it never gets finished, and you’re never able to occupy it, and the whole place is like a ghost city. You don’t have a lot of consumer confidence, and cutting the tax from three to one is not going to make any difference.
SPEAKER 16 :
But the point is they’re trying what they can to get things stimulated. And frankly, there was always this fear years ago. In fact, you’ve been on this program long enough. Years ago, we talked about how big is China going to get and when does their GDP overtake ours and at what point do they become the ruler of the world, if you would. Yeah, I think that one’s off the table right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is. They’re still very aggressive militarily and politically in various other ways. I mean, they’re still – doing a lot of mischief in the South China Sea and building islands and building aircraft carriers. I mean, they’re very aggressive, and they’re buzzing Taiwan all the time. Maybe Trump will say, stay away from Taiwan and don’t even think about it. Maybe that’ll make a difference there. But they’re still very aggressive militarily and politically. They have all kinds of hooks in South America and Africa and Asia, all throughout. I mean, they’re very aggressive, even though their economy is in bad shape. I don’t know if they’re going to change their behavior being so aggressive and monopolistic all over the place.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but ultimately, if your economy is collapsing from within, you can’t continue those things. Ultimately, you can’t. I mean, at some point, they’re going to collapse. So, I mean… Doesn’t that provide opportunity, though, for someone like Trump to say, OK, trade negotiations, yeah, we’re going to win on some things. But, hey, maybe we can help you. I mean, he’s a dealmaker is what I’m saying.
SPEAKER 16 :
Do you want to deal with the devil, though?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, when I got Trump. Because literally that’s who he is. Look, when I got Trump dealing for me, John, I’m just a lot more confident. Okay. China literally owned our last president.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. They won’t this one.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they’re not going to own him. When Trump is negotiating for me, I get very excited. I really do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Well, I mean, the best of all would be a win-win where we have more trade, more balanced trade. We don’t have these huge deficits. Right. And they buy, you know, we have stuff they want to buy.
SPEAKER 16 :
We have soybeans and, you know, grain and all sorts of other things, coal and so on that they buy from us.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, we don’t want to have a trade war where we put 60% tariffs on them and they put 60% tariffs on us. That would hurt our farmers and our ranchers and Boeing and all kinds of exporters we have. They’re one of our biggest markets as well. The better way would be to lower tariffs and have more free trade, fair trade. That would be the best of all possibilities.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I actually see that happening, Jordan. I see Trump getting them to lower their tariffs. I do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Tariffs is part of it. It’s also non-tariff barriers. It’s making things difficult. And as John was saying, it’s the currency. They still manipulate their currency to be weaker than it would normally be, which gives them an advantage.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which helps them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Lately, since the election, the U.S. dollar has soared in value. which is good in some ways, but it also makes our exports much more expensive.
SPEAKER 16 :
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All right, we are back. America’s Money Answer Man, Jordan Goodman with us today, myself, Andy Pate. Jordan, again, how do folks get a hold of you? Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com. That’s my email. All right. And I appreciate this very much. Also, I think it was loud and clear last week that Americans are tired of having America last. They want America first. And that’s going to affect a lot of things that this administration, at least over the next two years, does. And to your point, yes, there are certain things that we need to come out of China. I’m also one that believes that national security-wise, we do far much of that. We need to get some of that stuff done. you know, back over here. I firmly believe that Trump will be strategic in this, and one of the things I would caution everybody on is when you listen to the globalists talk about how bad tariffs are, be careful, because those guys hate any kind of tariff, Jordan, because they want a worldwide economy, not a U.S. economy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I mean, tariffs can be used in certain ways, but I just think an across-the-board tariff of 10% or more on everybody, Europe, Canada, Mexico… China, Asia, everywhere is going to cause retaliation. And so it hurts our exports, it lowers global trade, and that usually hurts everybody, including American consumers who would have to end up paying more.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but I think that’s more negotiation. I don’t think that that’s actually going to happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s the best of all possibilities. As I said, he uses it as a stick and gets the concessions he wants in opening markets instead of a stick in the carrot, right? Correct. He’s very big with sticks. We’d have to do a little bit more in the carrot area. And if we could get more global trade, that’s good. America has a lot of things the world wants. And we’re blocked.
SPEAKER 16 :
Some of that’s called gas and oil, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, well, that’s another big, big difference. I mean, in gas and oil, this is… They’re going to rename the Energy Department to the Drill Baby Drill Department.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s what they’re going to call it. Correct. Speaking of which. That’s the biggest change. Some of that plays into, of course, tax policy, interest rates, and so on. How do you see his relationship? Jerome Powell has basically said, I’m not leaving. I don’t have to. You can’t force me to leave. I’m going to be here throughout my term. He and Trump have worked together in the past. Supposedly, the Fed is supposed to be independent of politics. I don’t ever believe that. You guys know my feelings on that. But how do you see him and Jerome and Donald Trump working together moving forward?
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s going to be tension there. Jerome Powell’s term ends in May 2026, and he’s going to stay there until the very end. And then Trump will appoint his own person, clearly. Trump wants him to bring interest rates down faster. Powell, they cut rates at a half point first. Last week, they cut rates another quarter point. They’ll probably cut rates another quarter point at their December meeting. So they are lowering rates, but not at the pace that Trump would like. But Powell feels he has to be careful. He doesn’t want to let inflation get going again. So he is independent. Now, Trump also appoints a lot of Fed governors as well. So it’s not only the chairman. So he will get more and more influence over the board as time goes on. But there’s going to be a clash there. Trump has said, I want to have a voice at the table, and Powell’s going to say we want an independent Fed, and we don’t take politics into account here. I mean, in general, it’s going to be falling.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think Trump also understands if we want the housing market, which we can talk about right now, to get back on its footing and get moving ahead, which has been pretty stagnant over the past 6 to 12 months, if not longer, Trump knows that the only way you’re going to get that going again because of the previous – you know, three, three and a half, four percent interest rates on 30-year mortgages, you’re not going to get some of that moving forward until you at least get down into the fives.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. And we’re moving that direction, but we’re not there yet. We’re still in the kind of low sixes at this point. It had been in the low sevens or even mid sevens. So that was just unaffordable for an awful lot of people. So part of it is mortgages, but the other part is the prices. I mean, even at lower mortgage rates, the price of homes have gone up so much. And in many cases, there’s a shortage. that a lot of people just can’t afford them no matter what the mortgage rate is. And on top of the price of a home, it’s all the maintenance. It’s the energy costs. It’s insurance. It’s property taxes. There’s a lot that goes into owning a home that a lot of people are just not able to afford these days.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but the last thing Trump wants is higher inflation. I’m going to predict that the two of them are going to get along fine. Trump just has bigger fish to fry.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, interest rates is a pretty big fish.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, I know that. But what I mean is Trump is much more concerned with clearing out the deep state, which is going to be enormous, with unleashing oil and gas and coal, by the way, here in America. And obviously the border.
SPEAKER 16 :
And some of the tech stuff, which we’ll get into as well. He wants to get some of that stuff dialed in also.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, making his tax cuts permanent. What he’s going to be doing with the border is going to be a multi-pronged effort that’s going to take so much. I just don’t think that Powell is his biggest concern.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s not his biggest concern, but it’s one of his concerns. But I agree with you. The whole immigration thing could be a major impact on the economy. I mean, let’s say that he actually does deport 11-plus million people. illegal people here, many of whom have been here for decades, and who have children born here, or American citizens, if he actually does that, that’s going to hurt the labor market. The labor market’s already pretty tight.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s not going to do that, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he’s going to target those that came in the last four years almost exclusively.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the criminals to begin with.
SPEAKER 14 :
We all agree to get rid of the criminals.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’ll start off there, Jordan. He’ll start with, you know, and by the way, a lot of the… Saber rattling is already happening right now, which a lot of folks are afraid of is just that it is a saber rattling of if you’re here, you’ve got a record. You’ve done anything illegal in this country. We’re going to round you up first. I think what he’s really looking at doing is how can we get them to leave on their own or we don’t spend any money doing so.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I don’t think they’re going to leave on their own. Oh, I think some will, Jordan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Some of the criminals will, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s a mix. I mean, well, the criminals, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Some of those criminals are going to leave, trust me. They’re not going to hang around.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re going to go. Well, yeah, I mean, if you’re part of TDA, you’re looking for the door.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you’re not going to hang around for this.
SPEAKER 06 :
But I think Jordan’s talking about the idea that the great mass of immigrants who are here, the idea that they would self-deport. No, no, that’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s okay. I think first you get the criminals, you get the terror threats, and there are a lot more of them than a lot of people think. You take care of that first, and then you start working into the companies. Do I think he’s going to get rid of $12 million? No, I don’t think he has to.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, simultaneously you do a merit-based system whereby some of these people that are even here now, Jordan, that could pass muster on a merit-based system, you fast-track them on the way to citizenship, and there’s a way to handle both of this at one time without spending boatloads of money deporting 11 million people.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, and it is. It would be hundreds of billions of dollars to actually do that.
SPEAKER 16 :
For those of you that are out there listening, thinking that, geez, John, you’ve lost your rocker. No, if you fast-track this and you help these people become citizens and become a part of what’s going on in America, you actually take votes away from the D side and add them back into the R side.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Again, I think the vast majority of the 11 million are law-abiding, tax-paying, contributing citizens. I’d argue that. You know, maybe 5% of them are criminals.
SPEAKER 16 :
I won’t argue that, Jordan. I know some of these individuals. I won’t argue that at all. And some of those folks have been here even longer than the period that we’re talking about with Joe Biden, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
My only disagreement there, Jordan, is I think it’s higher than 5% that are the problem. And what I mean is this. Over the last few years, a number of countries have really made it a point to empty out their prisons and send them here because it lowers their costs. Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Say it’s 10%. You can still deport them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. That’s all I’m saying is I think it’s higher than five. I’m not saying it’s 20, nothing like that. I’m just saying. Oh, I want to argue that. Yeah, and I think you’ve got to move them out of there. And then you’ve got to also look at the fact that the American middle class, the working class, which just voted out the Democrats, the number one reason they did it was not just because there are criminals in our midst. They did it because the Democrats brought in millions and millions of millions of cheap, illegal laborers to take their jobs. Well, in some cases, not even laborers.
SPEAKER 16 :
Some of these people were literally getting a visa and rent and all sorts of other things paid for them while not having a job at all. So it wasn’t even some of them doing that. It was literally Jordan and Andy, some of these people literally coming into the country freeloading. And, you know, basically Americans said, you’re not helping me. Why are we helping them?
SPEAKER 14 :
In many cases, they’re not allowed to work. For example, in New York City, they’ve got about 200,000 illegal immigrants, so they’re putting them up in hotels and food and all that. They’re not allowed to get working permits to even work. They’d like to work, but they’re not allowed to. So they’re kind of being forced to be freeloaders.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, maybe they should not have come here illegally. I’m sorry, but I’m with Tom Holman on this. The simple fact is this. You broke the law. You broke the law. You broke the law. You broke the law. You broke the law. You broke the law. You broke the law. And I don’t want to hear that you didn’t. And the simple fact is that puts you in a different status.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, are you going to go back to Venezuela, which is a complete basket case, for example?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, they’re going to try to do everything they possibly can to stay here. And that’s where I say we’ll see what Trump does. But simultaneously, and if Trump was smart, he’d actually get Congress and the Senate, which are going to be there before him, to start working on some of these things on the front side. And how do we simultaneously put a merit-based system in, including those that are already here, along with deportation?
SPEAKER 14 :
That would be a major accomplishment if after all these decades of not fixing the immigration system that he could do it. On both sides, get the illegals out.
SPEAKER 16 :
To me, that’s number one, Jordan. I mean, I think there’s a lot of other things he needs to work on. But coming back to the economic sides of things, which this has had a big impact, it’s created inflation. A lot of what you just talked about in New York City, those things create inflation because you – You print dollars, let’s say, not necessarily in New York City, but federally, you’re helping a lot of these things. There’s still money that’s fungible that was part of the campaign trail issues, if you would, and some of the fighting that went back and forth. You know, one side saying, oh, no, no federal dollars are going in to help these immigrants. Trump’s campaign is coming out and saying, oh, yeah, it is. And here’s how the reality is. Yes, those federal dollars are that alone creates inflation.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. The other thing I’ll disagree with you a little bit on is a lot of these jobs that were low-wage jobs, Americans do not want to take. They just don’t. They don’t work in meatpacking plants.
SPEAKER 06 :
They don’t want to take them for that low of a wage. But you’ve got to keep in mind, you’re bringing in people from countries where a much lower wage is acceptable, where they are accustomed to that lifestyle. So when you’re looking at the American worker and basically saying this… you’re too expensive, I’m going to replace you with cheap help. The American worker turns around and says, really? We’re going to vote you out, and they did.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but I’m saying Americans are not there to be replaced. They don’t pick grapes. They don’t do carpentry.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yes, they do if you pay them. Yeah, they do if you pay them. I agree with J.D. Vance. You need to pay them better. They want to be paid for the labor.
SPEAKER 14 :
People are paying for those services. People don’t want to pay more for meat. They don’t want to pay more for cutting their grass. They don’t want to pay more for their grapes. They’re getting a good deal by having cheap labor.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you’re right. Costs will go up a degree definitely from that. But you know what? That’s the price you pay for having things run legally. And I think it’s worth it.
SPEAKER 14 :
I just don’t think Americans are ever going, no matter what you pay them, to pick grapes and all these things we just talked about. So you need the workers.
SPEAKER 16 :
At the end of the day, bottom line, no matter what side of the aisle you’re on, whether it’s Andy’s or Jordan’s, here’s my take on this. We have a 1.6 birth rate. It’s not enough to keep our economy going. We don’t have any choice but to either have more babies, which we’re not, by the way, or we have to bring in people to make sure that our economy continues to move forward because there’s not enough people there. to handle what’s going on right now because our birth rate has dropped so low yeah but to do that don’t we just need to speed up the legal system yes like i said we need to come back to what i said a moment ago you need to do some master deportation especially of those that are here illegally shouldn’t have been here in the first place criminals gangs etc yes you do that while simultaneously implementing things that other countries do by the way there’s multiple countries that do the very thing i’m talking about which is a merit-based immigration system What are you bringing to the table as an immigrant?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I’m not saying eliminate immigration, Jordan. I’m saying only legal immigration and do not, do not, once more, do not reward illegal immigration, period.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Well, I agree. If we can get that, if we can get a better immigration system where taxpaying, contributing citizens are eventually made into citizens, full citizens, and you get rid of the criminal gangs and you stop You know, come in. That could be a really good – that would be one of the signal accomplishments of a Trump administration, if we can pull that off, because nobody’s been able to do it for a long, long time.
SPEAKER 16 :
One of the things that would also be a signature of his is – and I don’t know exactly how this is going to work out. Andy and I will talk about this in hour two and three today, but, you know, where Elon Musk and his – Department of Government Efficiency comes into play, Jordan. If we can somehow reduce government waste and some of the nonsense that we literally spend money on and put that back into the economy itself, that’s another great thing that Trump could do and he could attach his name to.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, well, this has been done in the past. Under Reagan, they had similar kinds of things. They cut out a lot of stuff. I mean, Trump is talking about even more dramatic things. Closing down the Department of Education was just one example. Yeah, I’m all for that. It’s a waste. The EPA will be gutted.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’ve got the EPA. I mean, every state has the ability to handle those things on its own. Every state has the ability to handle education on its own. The Department of Education, we have spent billions and billions of dollars since the late 70s, and our test scores are dismal. They’ve gone down.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I think Musk, Musk is going to be a key player. Musk is going to be like a second vice president. And he may be more influential than Judy Vance, actually. When it comes to some of those things, he may very well be. Agreed. And I think you need somebody like that. I mean, his cars are made in a very efficient way. And he makes these rockets. And he makes X. And he can re-land. He fired a lot of employees at Twitter when he took it over and made an X. He gutted it. He could be an amazing… force for government efficiency. I think they’ll move a lot of agencies out of Washington. I think they moved the Bureau of Land Management to Denver, for example, and other places like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
You should have the Department of Energy, by the way, in the panhandle of Texas.
SPEAKER 14 :
That would be interesting.
SPEAKER 16 :
In the Permian Basin, that’s where the Department of Energy should be, not in D.C.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. So that could save a lot of money. It’s going to cause a lot of disruption. Good.
SPEAKER 16 :
Government needs disrupted. These guys get way too comfortable in their little chairs. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I think the public’s going to be very much behind that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which, again, Jordan, that goes back to we’re talking about what happened last Tuesday. What I just mentioned is why Red won a week ago. They’re tired of the D.C. bureaucrats that never get out of their chair. They’re chair jockeys, and that’s all they are.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but so getting them out into the country I think would be good, and there’ll be a lot fewer employees. I mean, there are civil service laws about firing employees. They’re going to have to figure out a way around. There are unions. Most of the government employees are part of unions, and they’re going to have to battle with them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which, by the way, that should be a law passed under the Trump administration where that should no longer be able to take place. You should not be able to unionize people that I’m paying for as a taxpayer.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s true at the state and local level as well as the federal level.
SPEAKER 16 :
And it ought to be ended. That’s something, and again, you can’t do it on the state level, I get that, but federally that should end.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do I have time for one last quick question for Jordan?
SPEAKER 16 :
You’ve got two minutes, go for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, Jordan, I just want to ask on my biggest issue, energy. The Green New Deal is officially dead, okay, with Trump coming in, which, by the way, for me is the greatest hallelujah possible. What is going to be the impact of the death of the Green New Deal and Drill Baby Drill?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I think oil prices will come down. Already have. We’re producing about 14.5 million barrels a day now, and maybe that’ll get up to like 17 million when we can open up. A lot of the areas that were taken off of potential lease in Alaska and national parks all over the place are going to be made available.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can we export LNG, a bunch of that?
SPEAKER 14 :
LNG was kind of put on hold a little bit. That’s a huge potential benefit for America because we have Way more natural gas we need, and other places like Europe and Japan need it. So, yes, it’s going to be a booming energy economy with lower prices, which creates a lot of good-paying jobs and also helps consumers.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right. Absolutely. Jordan, one more time, how do folks get a hold of you if they want to ask you a question directly?
SPEAKER 14 :
Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com. I always get emails from your listeners. I’m always glad to help them.
SPEAKER 16 :
I always appreciate it. I’m combining breaks, so we’ll let you go a little early. Respect your time. Thank you so much, Jordan.
SPEAKER 14 :
Very good. Thank you all.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Few minutes left of this first hour. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. You know, some of the things, by the way, really quick that Trump could do to incentivize some growth in a lot of these areas. Not just energy when it comes to offshore drilling and even drilling inside of the U.S. itself, but the production of even finished product. We export a lot of finished product. We could export even more. Put in some incentives for these refineries to increase capacity. Add some refineries. Add some more coal plants back into the grid. Add some nuclear back into the grid. Yeah. And I understand all these things don’t happen overnight. But if you get things geared up and rocking and rolling, you’ve got the ability on top of the LNG exports Andy was talking about earlier. You could literally, you know, put your name, you know, attach it to those things. And, you know, we already know that that’s going to happen and that Trump can hang his hat on that. But even more so down the road, if you really unleash what we have going on in the U.S., you’re now I mean, you’re already the superpower. You’re now the super superpower. Oh, yeah. It’d be fantastic. There’s no reason not to.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, this really affects immigration. Okay. And what I mean is this. You’re going to need more immigrants. Like you said, we’re only having one point whatever kids.
SPEAKER 1 :
1.6.
SPEAKER 06 :
1.6 kids. You’re going to need more immigrants. I got no problem with that. But number one, first get the economy rolling, which we will. Number two, they have to come in legally. Port of entry. Right. Okay? And then we look at our needs, not theirs, our needs, and do it like you said, merit-based. Okay, you come in. I don’t care.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, there’s no reason why we haven’t had merit-based immigration for decades.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. If Americans are too busy getting $100,000 jobs working oil rigs that they don’t want to pick grapes, well, guess what? Americans will look at the immigrants, legal immigrants, and say, by all means. And we’ll pay you well to do it.
SPEAKER 16 :
The other thing, too, that happens, Andy, when you change some of this around, and it’s already happened in a lot of industries, is you create tools whereby you don’t need as much labor in the first place to do some of these things. Just like farming, by the way. There’s the ability now, folks, around the world to farm. You know, so much acreage per day that you couldn’t do back when you were hand, you know, delivering all of those things. You know, the ability to go into other types of crops and mechanize is what I should say. Those types of crops, you have that ability as well. And again, some of that comes through incentives. We didn’t get a chance to talk to Jordan Goodman about the tax policy end of things. But not only do I see Trump, you know, continuing on with his initial tax policies, but, you know, why do we need 80, you know, fire those 80,000. They weren’t hired all at once, but that was going to be a 10 year plan in that thing tomorrow and redo some of the tax things that are out there, incentivize some of the things that I just said a moment ago and get the ball moving forward quickly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh yes. And they’re going to, they’re going to.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think so too.
SPEAKER 06 :
And here, here’s a beautiful thing about Elon leading the way every single step of the way he’s going to, he has the best way to publicize it. This is why we’re doing this.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, good point there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
You can communicate to the masses much faster, which, again, I go back to even some of the naysayers back when Elon Musk bought Twitter. I might remind some of you that said, oh, no, he’s just a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s just a Trojan horse. I don’t trust that guy. You know, folks, I’ll go on record as saying this. I don’t think you would have won last Tuesday without X. No. You would not have won last Tuesday. I really, because you can’t communicate well enough otherwise because of mass media and because of what other big tech metas, Google, et cetera, does. John, you wouldn’t have won without Musk. That’s right. So there we go, folks. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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