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Join Kim Munson as she dives into a thought-provoking conversation with Susan Harris about the political events of 2024 and what lies ahead in 2025. In this episode, you’ll hear a discussion on the role of independent media, the manipulation by mainstream outlets, and the significant political shifts that have occurred over the past year. Kim and Susan discuss the major societal challenges, dissect the ongoing battle of ideas, and emphasize the importance of choice and liberty over force. Explore how coverage and perceptions of Donald Trump have evolved and the implications this has for future political discourse. Kim
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Indeed, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And I get to work with an amazing team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa. and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Be sure and check out my website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays, and you’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do that. And it’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives. And force obviously can be a weapon. But it can be policy, an unpredictable and excessive taxation and fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites in the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado governor, the World Health Organization, zoning codes, zoning regulations, force fees, and conservation easements. And the list keeps growing. Remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. On the show, we focus on issues, and we’ll talk about the people that are pushing those issues, but we’re really trying to stay out of the personalities. Eighth grade girl fighting is what it seems like they do in politics, and we want to stay out of that. You can listen to the show on all KLZ 560 platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app, and then podcasts of the shows are on the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. So with that, let’s get into it. First of all, Happy New Year. 2025 I know that we’re all looking to 2025 with anticipation and hope and yet also a dose of reality and so we want to talk about that and I am thrilled to have on the line with me Susan Harris the Harris family has been great sponsors of the show for many many years and it’s because of sponsors sponsorships like this is our independent voices on the air Susan Harris friend sponsor welcome Oh, thank you so much, Kim. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. And you had lived in Colorado for many years. You’re now in Arizona, which I think both of these are really battleground states for our country. But let’s look back a bit, get your perspective, looking back, and then let’s look forward into 2025. So what are some key things that you think about regarding, as you look in the rearview mirror?
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Well, you know, surprisingly, looking back on 2024, going through it, it seemed very hectic and kind of a roller coaster ride all the time. But now that we’re at the end of it, I can see that that roller coaster ride really had an upward trajectory the whole time. And it was hard to see that while we were in it. But it’s almost as if the last few years, but especially this last year, all of the kind of antics that the Biden administration and I don’t know if you want to call it the deep state, whoever it is that’s running the country, which actually I’m not sure who it is, but whoever these people are, they really showed their true colors. And because of independent media like yours and many others and elon’s takeover of twitter which is now x and people’s ability to speak freely the word got out the truth started escaping and it and it escaped faster than they could control it for once and it was really kind of crazy but exciting as well and i think honestly that’s why we’re seeing or why we saw success in the election was because voices were actually able to be heard. And they had been stifled before.
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Well, they really have been, and I talked about this headline the other day, and it is that MSNBC hosts Rule and Read, they’re being asked to take pay cuts with a major ratings slump. And I find that a really interesting development, Susan Harris.
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Yeah, and, you know, it seems like that’s across the board at most of what we call mainstream or legacy media. that all of that media is struggling to survive even. And they’re being forced to really make some changes. And I don’t know how deep those changes will go. But regardless of that, most of the public is aware now of what the biases are. And I think many, many more people than not listen with a lot of skepticism now, and just really don’t believe much that comes out of those mainstream media channels.
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Well, and there’s really been such indoctrination on that, Susan. I’ve talked with many friends, colleagues, where they may have family members or friends that only watch that mainstream media, and there still is a significant… I would say indoctrination that is going on. And I was talking with a friend of mine the other day, and she said that one of her friends who is Democrat wanted to talk about why, you know, my friend was supportive of Donald Trump. And What ultimately came out was this significant hatred for Donald Trump. And I’ve experienced that as well. People that I know, that I actually had a former friend, I would say, really by her choice, that she said, and this was in the 2020 election, she said, I hate him. And I’m just shocked when I hear people say that, Susan Harris.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It’s very interesting. The campaign was very effective against him. And, you know, when you look back historically at how the media treated Donald Trump before he ran for president, it’s shocking. They adored him. They thought he should run for president. And then when he did it, you know, and of course, he didn’t run under the circumstances that they wanted him to. And he ran as a Republican. Then they piled on and, you know, ran a campaign for us to definitely all hate him. And even me as a supporter of him, I would say things like, well, I support his policy, but not him. You know, at first, because I too was kind of, affected by all of that propaganda but now i see that they’re just able to say whatever they want it doesn’t matter how deep the lies go and they will destroy a person if that’s what needs to happen for them to accomplish their objective and the real donald trump i don’t know if a person like me will ever have um any idea what the real man is like because of their um vicious campaign against him.
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I cannot believe what he has walked through to get to this point. It’s incredible. People are saying the next 20 days from now until his inauguration, it’s a very important time in our country. The next 20 days are super important, Susan.
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I think they are, and it’s been really interesting. He has not been saying a whole lot, but what he has been saying has been pretty significant, and some of the things he’s been saying are quite surprising, and people, even people who support him, I think, have been a little bit surprised by some of the things he has said, or not said, even.
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You mean like annexing Canada?
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some of those types of things and you know this morning at least i only thought this morning maybe it came out sooner but he has endorsed speaker johnson as the next speaker to continue and i think that’s a little surprising to most people um you know there’s there’s so much going on in the background that we don’t know about and and we only get to see little bits and pieces of it so It’s just interesting how it’s playing out. And now, based on my history with this whole thing over the last 10 years, I’m really learning to be patient and let it play out because it never turns out the way I expected. And usually, in the long run, it turns out better than I expected or going in a whole different direction than I thought it would.
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Well, and what is so interesting, like you say, is to be somewhat patient. Because even like going through COVID, as we were going through it, I thought I didn’t understand what was going on. But as we move forward, looking back now… the truth comes out. These people that were pushing mistruths and coercion and force and all that, uh, they’re on record and video saying different things. And, uh, so that’s, I think that’s, um, a really important thing to remember.
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Well, and you know, I, I think when they, when they did all of those things, um, They weren’t used to the idea that the Internet is forever. And so, you know, they would contradict themselves constantly and not remembering the fact that it’s so easy to go back and see what they said before. So, you know, you’re right. They’re tripping over their own feet. And it’s an interesting process. And, you know, thank goodness people saved some of those videos because some of them were even taken down, I think. But there were some patriot warriors out there that saved them.
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So it’s kind of nice. Yeah, and screenshots are important as well. Yes, yes. Yes, all that is so super important. And I have said, in fact, Marlee Hornick with United Sovereign Americans, we had a conversation, and I said, I really think that we are in the third founding of our country. And this is a battle of ideas. And I’m very encouraged, but… I really do think that we are in the battle to reclaim our country and, of course, in Colorado to reclaim our state.
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Oh, absolutely. You know, and Arizona is kind of similar to Colorado in that we’ve had a huge influx of people from California and outside money coming in that is from various leftist groups, maybe even George Soros’ people himself. Just some really nefarious people. entities have moved into the state because I think they practiced in Colorado and figured out what would work. And now they’re going to try to do the same thing here. They have been trying. But luckily, we have some pretty strong organizations here that kind of watch for that stuff and see it coming and file lawsuits immediately and, you know, are working very hard to try to keep Arizona a red state. But we’re seeing very similar players that worked in Colorado come into this state to try to accomplish the same thing.
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Well, and that’s why here in Colorado, we need to not give up on Colorado. We need to work to hold the line and then start to reclaim territory. And so that’s why we do the show. I’m talking with Susan Harris, and I so appreciate the Harris family and their great sponsorship of the show. We’re pre-recording the show for New Year’s Day. We wish you all a very happy New Year’s. Another great sponsor of the show is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger’s been in business for 48 years, taking care of his clients. and his family, giving back to the community. And give them a call for a complimentary appointment. That number is 303-795-8855. Because if you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. So like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we wish you all a very happy and prosperous New Year 2025. And we are pre-recording the shows for New Year’s Day. Pleased to have on the line with me, Susan Harris. And the Harris family is great sponsors of the show. And I greatly appreciate your friendship and your sponsorship, Susan.
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Oh, gosh, it’s our pleasure, Kim. We’re just so happy that we’re able to support you and all the great work that you do.
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Well, and we are in this, we’re an independent voice, this battle of ideas. That is where it’s at. And looking back and looking forward to looking back at 2024 and forward to 2025, the Department of Justice, it was unbelievable what they had done regarding political opponents, if you will, and all of this lawfare and particularly Donald Trump. I cannot believe all of the stuff that they threw at him.
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It really is incredible. And, you know, I just can’t even imagine not just the energy it took for him to deal with those issues, although I think he’s pretty good at compartmentalizing, but the resources and just the personnel and the finances and the organization required to defend him on every level of his life, political, personal, past political, you know, past presidential issues, really from the day he was elected president till right now, currently, it’s still going on. And it just is mind-blowing the efforts that were made to destroy his life personally, politically, on every level that you can imagine.
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Well, don’t you remember when there was the raid on Mar-a-Lago? I remember I was actually driving through Arizona when I heard it, and I couldn’t believe it, that we would actually have, I guess, was it the FBI or the Department of Justice going through former First Lady’s underwear drawer? Really?
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And their children. Barron’s room was also, you know, gone through and ransacked. And it just made no sense to me, especially when all they had to do probably was ask for whatever they wanted, and they would have been given access to it.
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And meanwhile, back at the ranch, because they said that they were looking for documents from his presidency, Joe Biden had documents in his garage.
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Well, not just in his garage. It was everywhere at – what is it? Penn State or University of Pennsylvania, I can’t remember now, and I hate to misspeak, but there were documents all across the country, really. Wherever he had been, they were finding documents, and probably they’re still there. Who knows?
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I know. So this this is really banana republic stuff that we’ve seen with the FBI and the Department of Justice. And my understanding is, is really it’s been at the top that there are still fine people that work for the FBI. But at the top, it was out of control.
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I hope that’s the case. You know, you talk about brainwashing. You wonder how deep the brainwashing goes. But I hope that it is true that the rank-and-file members of the Department of Justice can still be relied on to be patriots and to work for the Constitution. But it’s hard to say at this point because, you know, since 2016, I feel like when Donald Trump ran for president in 2015 and took office in 2016, it just seems like that the department was weaponized from that point forward. And, you know, so we’ll see how much housecleaning has to be done before we can really trust the Department of Justice again. Even me personally, I feel somewhat threatened that if they ever wanted to come after me, they would find a way. because I’ve said things, I’ve stood for things, I’ve donated money to things that are not on the approved list, I’m sure.
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But, Susan, that’s what it takes to reclaim our country. When we think about what the founders did, that they put everything on the line, their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. And why did they do that? Because they were looking forward to the next generations to preserve liberty, to pass that on to the next generations. And we have that same responsibility.
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Oh, I agree 100%. I tease my family sometimes that when I go to my HIIT workout classes, I’m really just preparing for time in the gulag. I need to be in great shape.
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That’s not funny, Susan.
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I know, I know.
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Although, I know, I’ve thought about the same thing, but… And Susan, it may be, you know, my other show, America’s Veterans Stories, 2016, I went to Normandy with a group that accompanied 40 day veterans to Normandy and then sitting across the table or on the phone line with all of these regular veterans. But they weren’t just, well, they were Americans that put their lives on the line because of duty and because, again, wanting to make sure that we preserve liberty and freedom for the next generation. And it’s like I can do no less. If they can do it, I can do it. And I know that that runs through your veins as well. Yes.
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It definitely does. And, you know, I’m in my 60s now. And quite frankly, I have lived a charmed life on many levels. And I just feel I’ve lived a great life. And I do feel like the rest of my life, if need be, I will spend making sure my children and grandchildren have at least the opportunity to live the American dream the way I have. And it’s very important to me. And I refuse to allow it to be destroyed by nefarious people and organizations. I’m not even sure how to describe what some of these institutions seem to be doing. But I’m undetermined to fight back in any way that I can. And, you know, there have been a lot of people that have done that, and they have paid – some pretty dear prices. You know, I feel like a lot of the January six people that are now in prison went to Washington with the best of intention and little did they know what was waiting for them there.
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Well, and we’ve all seen pictures of January 6th where there’s Capitol Hill police that are basically welcoming people into the Capitol. And people are walking on the carpet between the roped off area, looking around. And. I was talking to a young person. This was last January 6th. And he said, I knew when I saw the horned man walking into the inner chambers with the Capitol Police right behind him, not trying to stand in his way or stop him at all. He said, I knew that it wasn’t all true. And I thought, that’s a really excellent point.
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Well, and again, the media played their role and made people think that it was a violent situation. Armed people came with guns ready to do battle. And that was not true. There were no guns. The only guns were the ones that the police had. And people were not killed except for one person who was killed by a police officer. And, you know, they made it seem like there was all this violence, and that just wasn’t the case at all.
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I had some friends that were there, and she said when they got back to their hotel and they turned on the television, they’re like, that’s not what we saw. That’s not what it was. It was probably at least a half million people there. that were there she said it was it was very upbeat people were smiling um but she did say that they had actually hung back a little bit because the only bathroom facilities were some porta potties that had been were being put up for the inauguration and um She said that in that particular area that there were buses that showed up and people in black got off. And she said that they actually were going through the crowd going. They shot her. They shot her. I took that as that there were people trying to get people ramped up in the crowd. And that didn’t really happen. And it’s a credit to the American people, I think. Susan Harris.
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It really is. And quite frankly, if a group of Americans wanted to really take over the government, that is not the way they would do it. It just makes no sense. You know, if they really wanted to have an insurrection, you would know. You would know for sure. There would be no question whether or not it was an insurrection. The American people would have made it clear, I’m sure. And so there’s no way that that was the intention of the people that were there.
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Well, and apparently the Capitol Hill police had taken down some of the barriers around the Capitol, welcoming people into the Capitol. And quite frankly, if, in fact, we are the most powerful nation on the face of the earth as any, And if that’s the case, the idea that a guy dressed up with horns on his head could breach the Capitol and get all the way to the inner chambers, well, that’s pretty embarrassing for the most powerful nation on the face of the earth, right?
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Absolutely. In fact, the fact that anyone was able to get into that building that day at all when the seriousness of the meetings that were happening were happening, it makes no sense that they would have allowed anyone access to the Capitol that day. And so it’s so obvious to most of us what was going on, that it was, you know, kind of an instigated, something instigated by our own government and blown up by the media, something that didn’t even happen. Just for political purposes. You know, Nancy Pelosi filming the whole thing with her daughter. None of it adds up that it would have been an actual insurrection. And these folks that are in prison still, after all this time, really for what I don’t even consider crimes, although I guess you can you know, turn just about anything into a crime, it’s just heartbreaking to me what those families are going through.
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Well, hopefully that’s all going to change here soon, Susan Harris. I’m talking with Susan Harris, and we’re looking back and looking forward. And we’ve prerecorded for New Year’s Day. We wish you all a very happy New Year. And a nonprofit that I dearly love is the USMC Memorial Foundation. The official Marine Memorial is right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. It was dedicated in 1977. It’s time for a remodel. And it’s a place that has been a place of healing for many, and it’s so important that we help them as they’re raising the money for this remodel. You can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. The show comes to you because of our great sponsors. One of those is Karen Levine for Everything Residential Real Estate.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force. Force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And another nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values. Located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk, Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. And so the center was founded by Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War and Brad Padula. who is an Emmy Award-winning documentary maker. And they wanted to have a place with educational programs to, I would say, reclaim these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism, these American values, and also to honor our Medal of Honor recipients. And so check out the center. It’s a very special place. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org, AmericanValuesCenter.org. And Happy New Year to all of you. Wishing you all a healthy and prosperous 2025. We’re pre-recording the show for New Year’s Day. And on the line with me is my friend and great sponsor of the show, Susan Harris. Susan, we were talking about lawfare. in the last segment. And someone that they have really tried to destroy is John Eastman. And I’ve gotten to know John and Elizabeth Eastman. I consider them friends. And in fact, I interviewed him shortly after January 6th, about three weeks after. I took my rig up to Boulder. He’d been canceled by the university there. He had been the visiting professor of conservative thought and policy. And Basically, they canceled him.
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I don’t know if you remember this, but you and I attended a dinner together. Oh, that’s right. And he gave a talk that evening about what happened. And it was very, very interesting and informative.
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And the media did not explain it the way he did, and he was the guy that was there.
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Right, right. Oh, well, I think they wanted… their story to send a certain message, which it did.
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Well, and they have really tried to destroy him. But he reached out just recently and said that there were some Hollywood people that wanted to make a movie about his story, a documentary. And that documentary is… Being released on January 6th, which is appropriate. It’s going to have a screening on January 4th at Mar-a-Lago. And it’s called The Eastman Dilemma, Lawfare or Justice. And I think it’s going to be super interesting. But they have done everything they can to try to… break his spirit and destroy him. And he is still standing strong. I saw him at an event earlier this year and I said, how are you doing? He said, I’m doing great. There was a paper in California, now I can’t remember which one, that they wanted to do an interview about how depressed he is. And he said, I’m not depressed. And then he quoted the founders that they had pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. And he’s like, I can do no other. I’m like, wow. That’s amazing. But they have thrown the book at him or the encyclopedia.
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Yes, yes, they certainly have. And, you know, not just his teaching credentials, but also his law license and his ability to practice law.
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And that begs the question, I always think, do we really need to have those licenses? And, of course, I really questioned that during COVID as well, where people, businesses were threatened that they would lose their licenses if they did not, you know, adhere to the fear and coercion. But that’s a whole different discussion for that.
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Right. But I know what you’re saying. Well, you know, he was practicing law when he was serving President Trump during that week. of January 6. And that’s what he was doing. He was practicing law and advising. He was not making policy. He was not determining outcomes. He was just practicing law.
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Well, and the real question, because in both the presentation that you and I attended and then also with the interview that I did, is he was in a room, I think, on January 4th. It was him and Trump. He was there as Trump’s attorney. Mike Pence and Mike Pence’s chief of staff and Mike Pence’s attorney interviewed. And if I remember this right, they were trying to figure out from a constitutional standpoint, because Eastman is one of the most respected constitutional scholars in the country, just what the Constitution said about the certification of the electoral college votes. And there were so many questions out there. And many of the legislatures who are in charge of their elections were not back in session until that first or second week of January. And so the question on the table was, could Pence, as vice president, overturn the results of the electoral college? And the answer was no. But could he delay certifying the election until these legislatures got into session? The answer was yes. So that was really the question on the table, Susan.
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Right. And that’s all it was, was whether or not he was allowed to delay, well, to cancel. And the answer was no, but yes. would be allowed to delay and send things back to the legislators for approval, for review. That’s all. Just to have them review and send it right back and then business as usual going forward based on those decisions.
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And my understanding is that is what Trump, from the stage on January 6th, has said, is go down to the Capitol peacefully and make your voices heard with, I think, the goal to delay until we could really get our brain around what had happened. What had happened. That’s right. And Pence did not do that.
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Right. He did not. He said he was going to, at least that’s my understanding according to what John said, that that was the agreement at the end of the meeting, but that he changed his mind.
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And I then changed my mind about Mike Pence.
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Exactly, exactly. Yeah, and, you know, we don’t know what kind of pressures he was under from the outside. That forced him to change his mind. You know, I’m not sure. We’ll never know, I guess. But he did change his mind.
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And then what happened? It unleashed the O’Biden-Harris presidency, which really did not have the American people’s best interests in mind. You can look anywhere from the open border where millions of people came across the border. We don’t know who they are. We don’t know their health status. We, as Americans, have to show ID and go through scanners to get onto an airplane. But my understanding is… that came in here illegally were put on airplanes without ID, without going through this security, and they were flown all over our country. So there’s that. There’s the billions of dollars that was given to Ukraine to secure their border creating and that money that was spent created inflation for everyday people where we have people on fixed incomes young families all of us are trying to keep it together but high inflation all these things did not have the the American people’s best interests in mind Susan Harris and then victims of disaster here for example in Hawaii in Florida North Carolina Georgia
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The southern states that were hit by hurricanes just this year, you know, it’s almost like a let them eat cake mentality when you say here’s your $800 or $750 to get you through this disaster. Yet we can spend billions on unknown, who knows where the money ended up. that went to Ukraine, and even Israel, for that matter. And I’m a supporter of Israel, don’t get me wrong. But, you know, billions of dollars went to Israel as well. And that’s what we know about. There’s plenty of money going places we don’t know about that the press doesn’t report on. So it literally is… ignoring the plight of the American citizen.
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And I think people, obviously, they understood that at the ballot box with Donald Trump being elected. My concern is Susan Harris, is that what they cannot get done right now at the federal level, they’re going to push those agendas, though, at the local, the county, and the state level. And particularly here in Colorado, which I think is the petri dish for all of this. I’m concerned about that, and I’ve… I’ve suggested that we have our own DOGE Colorado Department of Government Efficiency. And one of the first things that we do is we as citizens really demand that our government, local, county, and state not take government grants. We would save so much money in doing so. And we would also, I think, regain control of our communities and our state. What do you think about that?
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think that is critical over the next four years while the Trump administration accomplishes what it’s going to try to do at the federal level. We, the people, have got to stay down at the local level and make sure we even know what is going on. And I think over the last four to eight years, we’ve started to get an understanding of what’s happening and But we need to be very proactive at the local level and make our voices heard and also run for office if you can or if you have skills that could be used because it is imperative that your right is exactly where the power is going to lie. In the near term, anyway.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s the power of the purse. If we can cut the money off, then we can start to reclaim our state and reclaim our country. And that’s why there’s all this billions of dollars going to Ukraine. We need to cut that money off. But it seems like the Biden administration or the Biden administration is trying to get all that money out the door as fast as they can before Donald Trump takes office on January 20th.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and you know, None of that money can be accounted for for some reason. It just disappears.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it’s going somewhere.
SPEAKER 07 :
We don’t really know what it’s being used for. They claim it’s going to Ukraine. We don’t really even know if that’s the case because none of it can be accounted for.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that’s unconscionable, and we’ve got to get that turned around. So I’m talking with Susan Harris. And again, thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. Another great sponsor is Lorne Levy, and it’s for everything mortgages. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Susan Harris is on the line, and I so thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. We pre-recorded for New Year’s Day. And Susan Harris, looking forward. I didn’t even realize how kind of on my shoulders I was so concerned about about this last election. And if the Biden-Harris administration got four more years, I was really concerned for our country. And I can feel hope. In fact, I was at church the other day, and a father with three young children said, I’m really looking forward to 2025. I didn’t really ask him why. But there seems to be a kind of a skip in the step of people and hopeful and entrepreneurs looking forward to new opportunities. What’s your thoughts about 2025?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I have a lot of optimism. I mean, I just feel like we have this risk that right now with Donald Trump going back into the White House, We have a chance to take a breath and to actually get some things done that we’ve been trying to work on for so long that most of the American people would like to see done, especially getting the border taken care of. But I am very optimistic, and I have a tendency, Kim, to be kind of a worrier. So it’s a big deal, I feel like, if I’m optimistic. I feel like that is a really good sign. And I keep a little… a little note next to my sink in my bathroom. And it’s a little note that says, what if it turns out better than you could have ever imagined? And then just keeping that thought in my mind regularly is really helpful for me because it just seems like that tends to be the case, that my imagination tends to lead to things that are worrisome. instead of focusing on all the good things that are happening which at this point i feel like there are more good things that are happening that we need to really be aware of and to keep that in our in the forefront of our minds so that we can continue to move forward and not get bogged down into details that don’t really matter
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I can be a worrier as well. And I say this daily prayer where I, a variety of things, but my worries I send to the cross of Christ. And then when I start to worry, I’m like, wait a minute. I’m sending that over there. He’s going to take care of that. I need to take care of business here. Move forward with optimism and hope. But there was a lot to worry about as well. I think so, too. I like you. I’m making this conscious effort to focus on the optimism and the hope and the opportunity here. That is really the American idea. And so I’m excited about 2025 and what it’ll bring.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I really am, too. And, you know, there are so many youthful faces that are headed to Washington and they have this vibrant energy and they’re from all walks of life. I mean, you could not, in my opinion, ask for a more diverse group than Trump has put in place. to lead, that he’s going to lead in this next phase of our country. And, you know, I rely heavily on Jeremiah 29, 11, when the Lord is speaking through Jeremiah, but he says, he’s saying to the Jews, listen, I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. then you’ll call on me and pray to me and i will listen to you you’ll seek me and find me when you seek me with all of your heart and to me he’s just saying hey listen israelites you’re my people i want the best for you and so i really um i really think he wants the best for america and that’s why we’re here in the first place our founding fathers were certainly followers of jesus and of god and um i i really believe that god wants the best for our country he wants the best for each individual person um in the world really but i think he is really working through us right now and we have to keep that hope in our heart so that he can accomplish what he what he wants to accomplish
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and sometimes, Susan, I wonder, what is it I am supposed to do? And this has been attributed to George Washington, who truly was a great man, the father of our country. But he says, we pray, we work, and we leave the rest to God. And so prayer is certainly super important, but we also have to take action. And so I really and it can seem overwhelming anywhere from school board all the way up to the federal government. And so each of us needs to do one thing. We have a civic duty to do one thing. And if we take on that one thing that we’re most concerned about that keeps us up at night, if every one of us did that one thing, it’s a slam dunk to reclaim our country.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, I think that’s very true. And I think if each of us, you know, kind of looks at what gifts we’ve been given, you know, you have done an amazing job with your radio program and your ability to bring people in and talk to people about the issues of the day and to really keep your finger on the pulse of the issues. And then people like me, I feel like God has just given me financial resources to to support people like you. And I feel so fortunate to be able to do that because I don’t have the gifts that you have, um, to communicate the way that you do. So, um, you know, I think each of us, we need to look at what we’ve been given and really use that, um, to move this country forward.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I thank you, Susan, because we are an independent voice, and I buy my airtime, which means I have total control over guest selection, subject selection, but that means that I’m truly an entrepreneur, so… Working together, this has just been so great, and I so appreciate it. And I feel that this has been a long time for me to get to this point, because I’d gone through an angry period where my communication skills were very… They were challenging. And I continue to want to become a better communicator. But it’s been a journey. I remember the kids would come home from school. And that was really when things were kind of starting that public education in many places was kind of pushing an agenda. And I didn’t quite understand it. And I was angry about it. And so it’s been a real progression to get to this point, Susan.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m sure that it has. And, you know, I still struggle relating to people that I disagree with vehemently. I think that’s one of my big challenges. And, you know, loving our enemies. And really, I feel like President Trump has made it clear from his perspective that that’s what’s going to happen. We’re going to bring in as many different kinds of people as possible with all kinds of ideas and then let’s let the ideas speak for themselves. Instead of tearing down the people that have the ideas, let’s let the ideas speak for themselves and let’s do what’s best for the country regardless of the person that idea comes from. And I’m so happy to see that because it resets my frame of mind too to see that happening. really check my emotions when people that I have disagreed with in the past might have a good idea about something we should at least consider talking about.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in our byline regarding searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if there’s force involved, that can be a big litmus test on whether or not it’s a good idea. But then we need to kick around. that idea and and talk about it but force i think seems to be a good litmus test on all of that susan harris we’re just about out of time and this is gone so quickly and i certainly i wish you and yours a very prosperous and healthy 2025 how would you like to button this this up this has been a great conversation i would just like to encourage everyone to have a
SPEAKER 07 :
a great year to really spend some time thinking about what their priorities are. And quite frankly, Kim, I don’t know if this is appropriate to say on your show, but read your Bible. I have searched my whole life for wisdom and answers, and I was raised in a very religious But I stopped reading the Bible for probably 40 years of my life, and I stopped practicing religion of any kind. And when about maybe five or six years ago, when I started moving back in that direction, I just found my life really changed for the better. And I have found so much peace and happiness, even amongst all the turmoil that goes on out in the world. And I would just encourage everyone, Just open your Bible and start reading it. And if you don’t understand it, then open it in a different place another day or ask God to help you understand it. It really makes a huge difference. And that’s just what I would encourage people to do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, thank you. And I have started daily Bible reading as well. Because when we interviewed Dr. Don Sweeting for Christmas week, he said the Bible is one of the most unread books in the country. And I thought I need to change that. So Susan Harris, thank you so much. Again, just wish you and yours a very happy new year.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you, Kim. Same to you. I can’t wait for the new year. And I look forward to hearing from you even more this year. It’s going to be great.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s going to be great. And this is our quote for the end of the show is from Donald Trump. He said, as long as we have faith in each other and trust in God, then there is no goal at all beyond our reach. There is no dream too large. no task too great. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Happy New Year, Kim. Thank you. Thanks for having me back in the new year. I thought I’d get cut from a broadcast schedule.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, we have to continue to shed light on the people that feed and fuel us and how that is so under attack, Trent Luce. And so we will continue to do that. First of all, do you have a New Year’s resolution?
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. You probably don’t need one, huh? No.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t need a New Year’s resolution that by January 9th, I forgot that I made one.
SPEAKER 06 :
That is true. That is true.
SPEAKER 03 :
I do have a commitment in 2025, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
What’s that?
SPEAKER 03 :
I am going to seek every avenue possible to explain the importance to life of the ruminant revival. Ruminants have been getting a bad name. And I’ve been just I do quite a bit about how ruminants help us. But I’m just going to do a concerted effort. And, you know, your whole climate conversation that you did so well putting that together and voicing that. I want to do like a regular documentary and call it the series of the ruminant revival. So I do not do New Year’s resolutions, but my commitment to myself is to make that information readily available.
SPEAKER 06 :
So explain to our listeners, what is a ruminant?
SPEAKER 03 :
A ruminant is an animal that has one stomach, but it has four chambers to that stomach. And the value of the ruminant is the fact that it can consume cellulose material, things that you and I cannot eat, and then upcycles that into the nutrient-dense food substances such as Lavaca meats, beef, or what Lavaca doesn’t do, which would be lamb. Your main remnants are lamb, goats, and cattle. But if you look at what they accomplish and how they upcycle the 72% of the Earth’s land mass into the most nutrient-dense food substance on the planet, and then by grazing they actually improve the absorption of these plants, the whole life cycle continues. And then what do they do? The ruminant generates this energy, this protein, all of these components of nutrient-dense beef or lamb or goat, And then they excrete them out back onto the land to continue the cycle of life. It’s just a wonderful cycle. And I want to do a better job explaining this in terms of people who know nothing about ruminants. And the fact that you asked me that question was perfect because it sets me up to say, what are ruminants? Well, mostly those three animals. And I’m not excluding a bison either, by the way. Bison were the ruminants that were here. Before we came and we ultimately eliminate the bison to try to starve out the Indians and put them in a vulnerable position. And look what’s happening now. Who is trying to eliminate the ruminants again? To create what kind of a vulnerability? There’s nothing new about this.
SPEAKER 06 :
There is nothing new about this. And so ruminants, one of the ways that they are under attack is because they emit flatulation, let’s say. So they emit methane. What would you say to that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Of course they emit methane. That’s part of the natural cycle. The ocean emits methane. Fire, wildfire, when ruminants do not graze, consume the land. And they emit methane and nitrous oxide and CO2. These greenhouse gases, number one, are called greenhouse gases because they improve the plant life, period. And number two, they’re part of the natural life cycle. So, of course, ruminants emit methane. That’s what keeps the cycle going.
SPEAKER 06 :
And this is all under attack. And why, it’s the big why. Why are ruminants that are able, as you say, to take what they eat and turn it into, upload it, or however you said that, to very protein-orientated meats that help us be strong and live our lives. Why, I guess I just kind of answered that question, but why would you say that ruminants are under attack?
SPEAKER 03 :
Professor Munson, it’s very easy to answer the question when you give me the answer in the question.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m sorry about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
But I did find, and I’ve been saying this for several years, that ruminants are vital to individual liberty and freedom. You show me a country in the world that does not have a strong ruminant population, and I’ll show you a country in the world where people are struggling with freedom. They can’t find freedom. Now, the interesting scenario in this whole story, if you wanted me to describe why this is such a fallacy. So if, in fact, ruminants, i.e. cows, because it’s the most populated ruminant on Earth, is a problem for flatulence, as you said, and emitting greenhouse gases, what country on Earth And I’m putting you on the spot. You know, that’s why you have me on here, to put you on the spot all the time. And I don’t give you the answer to my questions, so you’re going to have to work hard. Okay. What country in the world has the most cows?
SPEAKER 06 :
The United States.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s incorrect. The United States is fourth on the list at just under 90 million head.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Argentina. Argentina.
SPEAKER 03 :
Argentina is about seventh on the list, so significantly less than the United States. But Argentina, great story for you to bring up, is the number one beef consumer in the world in terms of per capita. We in the United States consume about 60 pounds of beef each year. The Argentinians consume 103 pounds of beef per person per year.
SPEAKER 06 :
Are they fat?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they’re very lean.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, I had to ask that because… And very muscular. Ah, good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
In fact, I am seeing a tremendous, and I’m not on a lot of social media because I’m banned from most of them that I don’t want to name, but I am on Twitter and I’m on Substack. And I am seeing a large number of people on Twitter who are now showing pictures of themselves four years ago and today after they’ve been on the carnivore diet for four years.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they look a lot better?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, they look like Olympic athletes.
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That is so interesting. We’re going to continue the discussion with Trent Luce. But I wanted to mention our sponsors. One of those is Hooters Restaurants. And they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And they are known for their chicken wings. So be sure and check that out. They are sponsors of both the Kim Munson Show and America’s Veterans Stories, How I Got to Know Them. It’s a freedom story, and you can find that at my website. And as I mentioned, we have prerecorded for New Year’s Day. Happy New Year’s to all of you. And the show comes to you because of great sponsors. One of those is Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages. He can help you with a new mortgage, a second mortgage, a reverse mortgage. And he can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. Lorne Levy, Happy New Year.
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SPEAKER 06 :
It’s hard to believe that it’s 2025. Looking forward with great anticipation. What’s your thoughts about 2025, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 16 :
My first thought is that I’m old. I don’t like to see that number of years. But secondly, I’m looking forward to stability in the economy and the marketplace with it not being an election year and hopefully things normalizing and going in the direction we all want it to go. Business-wise, I’m hoping that the housing market picks up and that rates stay lower than they are now or move lower, which would be great for everybody involved and help people save money. And I think it’ll just, you know, with stability and certainty comes, you know, the market just performs properly, which is great.
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So what about interest rates? I’ve been reporting that it seems like the Biden-Harris administration on their way out is trying to put all kinds of marbles in front of the Trump administration. And one of the things is the Biden administration. is pushing more and more money to Ukraine. In fact, the other day it was $6 billion. We don’t have that money. We’re printing that money. It’s causing inflation. I hope that we’re gonna get this under control.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that would be the key, because the more we print, the more we have inflation, which would keep rates higher. The role of the Fed is to mitigate the best they can, but they don’t have any control over the legislative branch, which includes Congress, and then what the president can do on his own without Congress. So they have to kind of be the opposite guy, the good parent, bad parent. Hopefully they can do with, you know, control inflation on their end. Unemployment is not high. It’s staying low, which is good for the economy, good for all Americans. I think they thought by raising rates, unemployment will be a little bit higher. That’s what’s taking them longer to come down. But that’s a good thing for working Americans. So, you know, hopefully just over time, we’ll see a little bit more of a pullback in inflation, which will let the Fed lower rates more and help everybody.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. So you have always said, Lauren, to, let’s see, marry the house and date the rate. And if people do that, and let’s say we get down six months from here and interest rates have come down, is there any cost, any like prepayment penalties to refinance?
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SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. That seems to make a lot of sense. And looking forward into 2025, of course, people – I love all housing options. If people want to rent and be in an apartment, okay. But it seems that there’s been public policy that’s pushed people there. I love the idea for people that want to own their own home, create equity there. I think that’s a really great idea. And that’s where you can come in. You can help people in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. And so what’s the best way for people to reach out to you to get pre-qualified as they look into 2025?
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The best way is always just give us a call. The number is 303-880-8881. We’re always here on evenings and weekends. We can always help.
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And again, that’s Lauren Levy for Everything Mortgages, 303-880-8881. Lauren, I so appreciate your partnership with The Kim Munson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. And I think 2025 is going to be a really exciting year for everything that we have going on. So I wish you and yours a very prosperous 2025.
SPEAKER 16 :
Same to you and your family, and I’m looking forward to it. Thank you so much, Kim.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And we will be right back and continue our discussion.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And Happy New Year to all of you. We have prerecorded this show for New Year’s. And it’s Wednesday, so it’s a Trent Luce Wednesday. You know him, sixth-generation farmer and rancher who continues to shed light on the importance of the people that feed and fuel us. So, Trent, you had a question that you posed to me, and that is, what country has the most cattle? And I guess the United States, Argentina. Okay, how about Brazil?
SPEAKER 03 :
Brazil’s… Fifth, right behind us. No, third. Excuse me, right in front of us at third.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Japan?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Japan, they’re our best beef customer. We sell more dollars worth of beef to Japan than any other country in the world.
SPEAKER 06 :
Don’t they have Kobe beef? Isn’t that Japanese?
SPEAKER 03 :
That is Japanese, you’re correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, tell me what continent.
SPEAKER 03 :
But now we sell Kobe beef to Japan. Well, they just don’t have land mass. I mean, they don’t have the ability to do that. And that’s a great case in point where Japan is completely dependent upon other countries. India has 300 million head of bovine animals. Their Hindu religion does not allow them to eat bovine animals. but they do have a large water buffalo population, and they have become a force in exporting water buffalo to the tune of 4.4 million metric tons of what they call beef, which is actually water buffalo. But I have a story that I want to intertwine within this whole scenario. Okay. So I mentioned to you that India, and by the way, China’s second on the list in terms of total beef cows. Yes.
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Huh.
SPEAKER 03 :
So India and China are one and two, and Brazil is three, and we are four. Of those four countries, which country in the world produces the most consumable beef? The United States. Yeah, the United States, but it was a trick question because India has 3.5 times more cows than the United States, and China has twice as many cows as the United States. And yet the United States produces 12.4 million metric tons of beef. Brazil is second on the list at 10.7 million metric tons. Do you ever hear – we hear about every European country – Ireland is trying to reduce 30% of their beef and dairy cows. The Netherlands has a burp tax, which is going into place today, another one of these taxes on food and protein food, by the way, to eliminate the emissions from cows. That’s the purpose of the burp tax. You have the United States and Canada who are being targeted for eliminating these ruminant animals because of their, as you said, their flatulence. So we have to protect the environment for all of these flatulence, except there’s two countries that never have any discussion or pressure to reduce the number of animals. And that is India and China.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they’re also the ones that are building coal plants, coal-fired power plants as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Every week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Isn’t that something? Yeah, they’re permitting them every week. Every week. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 03 :
So this isn’t anything about the cow. It isn’t anything about the environment. It’s a transfer of wealth. And all you have to look is at that data. That data clearly shows how that is playing out right in front of us. And too many people are willingly just going along with it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and changing the point just a little bit on these ruminant animals is, and you mentioned this, they graze areas and turn those grasses into ultimately energy for us as we consume these beef and other meat products. But the other thing is it is a part of this whole circle of life, and that is the grazing helps to keep the grass wildfires in check a little bit. And if we don’t have these ruminant animals, The prairie fires are going to be more intense and more often and create more damage. And, of course, the smoke from those fires then pollute the air that they say that they’re trying to protect by getting rid of animals that flatulate. And so you can see that it’s not really about what they say it’s about. It’s about control is what it really is.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is EPA data. The EPA says in, I believe it was 2017, there was one fire in Nevada that burned one million acres of wildlife, or excuse me, of the range, just like you described. One million acres, one fire, 2017. The EPA itself admits that one fire that burned one million acres contributed more emissions to the atmosphere than the top 10 petroleum polluters, according to the EPA, for 10 years. For a 10-year period of time, the 10 top petroleum companies contributed fewer emissions to the atmosphere than one million acre fire.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And we can prevent this. We can be good stewards of this earth. But being good stewards doesn’t mean that everything just is going back to just, well, they want to take man out of the equation. That’s ultimately what they want to do. And human beings have been part of this whole circle of life as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. Human beings are part of the life cycle. They want to contribute. We continually are told that we’re part of the problem when, in fact, we manage all of these resources to make it better. And this comes from information from the CO2 Coalition, which was referenced in a big part of that climate conversation. There’s great data out today. This came out since the first of the year. talking about how much one part per million of CO2 in the atmosphere improves plant growth and improves yields of crops produced by farmers who feed people. One part per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, one increased part per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, will increase corn yields by 0.4%, soybean yields by 0.6%, and wheat yields by 0.6% or by 0.4%. So why are we talking about CO2 contributing to environmental degradation when, in fact, it contributes to plant growth? That’s something we learned in fifth grade, Kim.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and so, again, it begs the question, why? Because if we have better yields… with our crops, then we are able to feed more people. And so it comes back to those activists that are pushing this forward, A, don’t really like humans, but the other thing that I’ve learned about with the Green New Deal trend is that the billions and trillions of dollars that have gone into it, the Green and the Green New Deal is what is going into the pockets of PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties. That’s what the green in the Green New Deal is, Trent.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. You’re right. It’s a transfer of wealth, period.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and check out the center for american values located in pueblo colorado Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there were four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. And the Medal of Honor is awarded to someone that took action to protect others when danger presented itself. And we can take a lot of heart from the stories of these men that are featured at the Portraits of Valor at the Center for American Values. and realize that we have an ideological danger that we are faced with right now, and we need to engage in that battle of ideas. And so that’s what we do every day here on the Kim Munson Show. And we’ve prerecorded the show for New Year’s Day. We wish you all a very happy New Year’s. On the line with me is Trent Luce. You know him, sixth generation farmer and rancher, who continues to shed light on the people that feed and fuel us. And one of the things that you mentioned in the previous segment was, was that even though the United States is number four in the number of head of cattle that we have, we actually produce the most consumable beef. And I think that is a credit to the American cattlemen. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a credit to the system and what we’ve been able to put together. And if you look at what we’ve accomplished, and there are still people alive today that can tell you about the cattle that we raised in the 40s and the 50s. They just did not possess the same amount of total meat. We literally have about one third of the breeding animals that we had in 1952. And with one third of the breeding animals, we produced three times as much total meat on the whole complex. That’s an amazing story when you really look at the efficiency. And that’s what we should be talking about is How can we become more efficient with every acre that we have to feed the world?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and we can do that. And that’s one of the things about capitalism, about this idea of property rights, of people being able to use their creativity and innovation to create more. And what comes to mind immediately is capitalism. Jimmy Carter just passed on, and I was watching one of the evening shows recently, and they gave excerpts from his sweater speech, where he said that we all need to sacrifice, that we’re running out of oil and gas. Of course, the earth was cooler, much cooler at that time. We were having very cool temperatures many times back in the 70s. And So instead of unleashing creativity and innovation, the answer by the PBIs is always that we have to make things worse, more control over everyday people. But then you unleash the creativity and innovation of the oil and gas industry, and they come up with horizontal drilling, hydraulic fracturing, and now that’s under attack, but To your point, creativity, innovation by the American farmer, the American rancher, our energy producers, we need to unleash that. But there are those that want to control it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Anybody who hears me on this program knows that I’m not a fan of the federal government. I think the federal government really should just focus on one thing, and that’s having a strong military, leave everything else up to us. Case in point, and it ties right into what you and I are talking about. Three weeks ago, I was coming home. I was driving home from Fargo, North Dakota. I had an event up there, and I think you and I visited about that event. But I’ve learned something about my trip home that I have not shared with you or your audience, and that is on my drive between Wahpeton and Brookings, South Dakota, home, I noticed that there was, I’m going to call it a severe amount of tillage. For those that may not know the movements really since 1980 has been decreased the amount of tillage because tillage is a catastrophic event. The reason that we had the Dust Bowl in the 30s was not as much about the drought and the high temperatures, as it was about we were moldboard plowing everything. We didn’t build the organic matter in the soil, and one of those organic matters that we’re talking about is carbon. Carbon is vital. The human body is 18% carbon, and we need to continue to build carbon in the soil to maintain soil health. It’s all about the soil health. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows. And some farmers tried no tillage or minimum tillage, and they didn’t like how it worked. Maybe they didn’t get enough time. Maybe it didn’t work for them. But they still go back to some amount of tillage less than what we used to because we know that when we expose that earth and we turn that earth over, we’re destroying the microbes. There’s a billion microbes in every tablespoon of soil that you find. And so it’s important to not disturb those and let those microbes do their work. So with that as a baseline, I’m driving home on Interstate 29. And, you know, on the interstate, you see limited amount of things from the field. But I’m always monitoring the fields. I’m like my grandfather and a windshield farmer. Always got to be driving around, see what the fields look like.
SPEAKER 06 :
I remember that. Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I see all these fields. with a, what I’m calling a severe amount of tillage. Some of them with a moldboard plow, some of those with those aggressive chisel plow. And what that means is it has brought that earth and turned it over. And so on my next across the pond, I actually talked about that. And across the pond I do every Monday morning with Damien Buckley from New Zealand, who is a soil health guy. I said, Damien, I don’t know what’s going on. I see these farmers in South Dakota and North Dakota. Right on the Minnesota border doing a high amount of tillage. We went away from tillage 30 years ago. I don’t know what’s happening for that. Well, fortunately, with my viewing audience, I had a friend, a longtime friend from Minnesota who lives in that area. Gayla Schmitz, her name. And she said, Trent, my husband has been going to meetings that are put on by people who have climate smart money to grant to farmers from this whole CO2 nonsense. And these administrators of this program are telling the farmer, you must plow your fields in order to be in the program. Wow. That made zero sense to me. So I called Jay Fair, who is the master. I mean, he knows more about soil health than anybody I’ve ever met. And he’s in Bismarck. I called him. I said, Jay, why is the government telling you? In order to get in the program, you have to go back to these aggressive tillage practices, he says, Trent. They want to destroy all of the organic matter that the farmer has built so that they can take the baseline back to zero so that they can show the improvement of what their climate smart money is doing. That is what the federal government is doing to your land so that they can pay farmers to prove that the farmers making progress thanks to these climate-smart practices, they leave out of the equation. They force them to destroy what they’ve accomplished in the last 30 years before they start over.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and the farmer is getting so squeezed as well with their input costs, so their energy, their fertilizer costs. They’re getting so squeezed. Property taxes, number one. Yeah, and so the government comes along and dangles this money out in front of them. They’re trying to keep it together, to keep the farm together. Can we get this turned around? What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
We have to turn it around. We have no choice. I mean, it’s about to come crashing down. But my answer to turning it around, even though that’s a federal program, the answer is at the local level. Because the reason that I emphasize property taxes is those property taxes are caused by what happens in your school board and your county commission. And we have got to stop the abusive spending at those two local levels to release the pressure so farmers are not so squeezed. They feel like they’ve got to jump. at every program which is just hijacking their entire operation.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think that really is important. And I don’t think I mentioned this to you yet, Trent, but, of course, DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is Musk and Ramaswamy, is going to try to do some things at the federal level. But I think we need to do DOGE Colorado and DOGE Douglas County and DOGE Lone Tree. And the first thing is, is we need to encourage – strongly encourage or do something about all these federal grants that are being accepted at the local county state level school districts we need to say don’t take that anymore and so i think we need to get into the the finances of each of these entities and understand what’s going on and then as you say we need to get loud about that there you are once again answering your own questions
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re getting good about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m sorry. Okay, why don’t you ask me a question? Okay, I’ve got another question for you. When we were talking about climate change, in one of our recent Climate Conversation podcasts, I asked the guest, I can’t remember which one it is now, but we’re talking about in 100 years that the temperature is going to be just a little bit more. First of all, They can’t even get the weather right many times within 24 hours. How the heck do we know what that temperature is going to be in 100 years? But also, Trent, I asked the question, I said, what is the perfect temperature and who decides? And they didn’t really have an answer. So I’m going to ask you that. What’s the perfect temperature and who decides?
SPEAKER 03 :
The owner of the greenhouse. Yes. That’s a true story. The purpose of the greenhouse is to provide an ideal growing environment for these plants. And they pipe CO2 in there to have 800 parts per million, and we’re worried about 340 parts per million or 430 in our atmosphere. Makes no sense whatsoever.
SPEAKER 06 :
And if we continue having fewer and fewer parts per million, the temperature could get cooler and cooler. And that is so we won’t have as much production with our plants. There will not be as much thriving and flourishing. And again, I guess I will answer my own question. The question is why. So we’ll have one more segment with Trent Luce. And I’m going to ask you, I was looking for quotes about the cowboy. and I found one by Charles Goodnight, and I didn’t know who he is, and I said, do you know him? You said, oh, you could talk about him for an hour. Well, let’s do a segment on that, talking with Trent Luce. All this happens because of our sponsors, and one of those great sponsors is John Boson with Boson Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Check out the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their website is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. and you can see the plans for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. It was dedicated in 1977, and it’s time for a facelift, and Paula Sarles and her team is working diligently on that. So check that out at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And Happy New Year to all of you. We have prerecorded this show for New Year’s Day. And it’s Wednesday, so it’s a Trent Luce Wednesday. And Trent, we really have covered some really, we always do, really important subjects. But I was looking for a quote about a cowboy to give at the end of the show. And I came up with one from Charles Goodnight that I really like. And I said, do you know Charles Goodnight? And you said, oh, I could talk for an hour about him. So tell me about Charles Goodnight.
SPEAKER 03 :
Did you want to share his quote first?
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, I will, and then I’ll do it at the end of the show.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that sets the tone, because for those, you misled people there a bit. Charlie Goodnight was born March 5th, 1836, so I didn’t actually know him.
SPEAKER 06 :
I thought you went to school with him. Yeah, we were old school buddies.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so here’s the quote from Charles Goodnight. Cowards never lasted long enough to become real cowboys. Okay, so tell us about him.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you don’t know about Charles Goodnight?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
He had a ranch in Colorado. Oh, okay. He owned part of the J.A. Ranch, which was a ranch that spanned from near Castle Rock into New Mexico into Texas. It was a one-million-acre ranch, and it was instrumental in converting Texas into ranch country, to be honest. But the thing that makes Charlie Goodnight most famous, you know, I find it interesting that a lot of people don’t even know what makes him most famous. What did all of the trail drives use to feed the cowboys, the drovers, on the trail?
SPEAKER 06 :
The chuck wagon? The chuck wagon?
SPEAKER 03 :
How do you think the chuck wagon got its name?
SPEAKER 06 :
Charlie Goodnight?
SPEAKER 03 :
Charlie Goodnight invented the chuck wagon and found a way to feed the hands while they were working. The interesting thing about Charlie Goodnight is he was born in Macoupin County, Illinois. And I had a dear friend, the late Chick Bishop, who was a retired history professor and actually a retired veteran in the United States Army as well. And he passed seven years ago now. But he had written a book about the 87 people from Illinois who had gone west to make the West tameable and were Illinoisans that never got any credit for being from Illinois. And there’s another one that you probably know very well that was a part of creating a viable West and was from Illinois, and nobody knows he’s from Illinois.
SPEAKER 06 :
Give me a hint, and I’ll guess.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s probably more movies made about this guy than any other Western figure.
SPEAKER 05 :
More guys. Well, I’m thinking John Wayne.
SPEAKER 03 :
He was from Madison County, Iowa. Winterset, Iowa, to be exact. Okay. But he made the movies. The person I’m talking about, they made movies about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know. I’m stumped. Who?
SPEAKER 03 :
Wyatt Earp.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, Wyatt Earp was from Illinois. Weren’t you from Illinois, too?
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. I grew up Quincy, Illinois. Wyatt Earp grew up Monmouth, Illinois. But Charlie Goodnight is probably the most instrumental figure in the United States post-Civil War because as we’re trailing six million head of cattle from Texas to northern markets, i.e. the first one was in Abilene, Kansas, and then put those cattle on a rail car, which that was organized by a guy named Joseph McCoy, who was from Ashland, Illinois. And they shipped those cattle back into Illinois, and they ultimately go into Chicago, then put them on a refrigerator rail car and ship the meat to the east. That was what rebuilt the United States post-Civil War. And without the ingenuity and the veracity of Charlie Goodnight, none of that would have ever happened.
SPEAKER 06 :
Interesting. OK, I’m going to ask you a question about meat processing. When I was in well, I won’t date myself, but when I was in school, I read a book called The Jungle, which was, I think, by Sinclair. I think that was in Upton Sinclair, Upton Sinclair. And it was. It did not paint the meat processing business in a good light. In fact, it seemed like they were child labor, all those kinds of things. And then just recently, somebody said that a bunch of that stuff was fabricated. So what’s the truth on the book The Jungle?
SPEAKER 03 :
Nothing was fabricated. Let me restate this. What you said is absolutely true. Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle in 1906. As a result of Upton Sinclair writing that book, and he really did talk about the way that people and children were treated, primarily in Chicago, because the majority of the meatpacking world, and the beef world in particular, was in Chicago at this period of time. In 1900, 20% of the entire city of Chicago, the people who lived in Chicago worked in the meatpacking industry. Upton Sinclair wrote a very scathing book called The Jungle. And I know it was 1906 because I just did an intro for the National Western video, which the first National Western, as we know it today, started in 1906. So this is the 119th year of the National Western. And that book, as Theodore Roosevelt was president, then led to the Meat Inspection Act, which passed in 1907, which basically completely reorganized how meatpacking was taking place. Now, I think what you were alluding to that somebody told you is that Upton Sinclair was not as much of an investigative journalist as he was an activist for the vegan community, which is way before its time in 1906. Although not as much before its time as people think, because Helen White, who’s the founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, who had been hired by the Kellogg’s brothers, their main job wasn’t really to sell cereal. It was to convert the world to a vegan diet. So it was kind of in that ear, and Upton Sinclair came along after that point in time for the same exact purpose. But what never gets told, here’s the big lie, it never gets shared, before Upton Sinclair died at relatively a young age, His doctor told him, he said, you are extremely unhealthy. If you do not start eating animal fat and animal protein in your diet, you are going to die. And he ultimately did die a premature death, but he did go back to meat eating because he recognized that he was not healthy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in these industries, the dairy industry, the poultry industry, the eggs here in Colorado, the meat industry, and one of the things that we’re seeing is this movement that we’ve talked about, the 30 by 30, and returning the land back to, what do you call that? What do they say? They want to return it back to what?
SPEAKER 03 :
They want to rewild America.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so ultimately, people will starve if we continue to head down this road. And so they really have been trying to demonize things in our diet that help us be stronger and healthier. And I think people are wising up, though. What do you think, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I think the smoke is clearing and people are beginning to see That animal products are absolutely essential in human health. Look at the move back to butter. The butter craze has become absolutely incredible. And it’s fat. We have been so schooled to stay away from fat of all kinds. And we now recognize that fat is one of the essential nutrients in the fact that we have, you said it earlier in the program, we want to put these kids on a path of starvation and depredation, and we eliminate the very nutritional items that feed their brain and feed their immune system and feed their overall health.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I think people are recognizing that. But this attack upon the people that feed and fuel us is real. I think that everyday people are waking up and starting to understand that. That’s why the work that you’re doing is so important. Trent Luce, you’ve been doing this, what, this will be your 22nd year shedding light on this?
SPEAKER 03 :
My very first Luce Tales radio broadcast was January 7th. 2001 from the National Western, so I have just completed my 24th year. When I get back to the National Western next week, it’ll be my 25th year broadcasting.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, congratulations. That is super awesome. And I am starting my seventh year of solo broadcasting. And so we’ve got a lot of work to do over this next year, Trent Luce. And before we finish up here, there will be a Stanford Property Rights event in Akron, Colorado on the 12th. Is that right?
SPEAKER 03 :
from Sunday afternoon, January 12th, from 2 to 4 or 5 o’clock, kind of whenever it ends. And this really feeds into what I’ve been talking about the entire time, and that is the folks of Washington County recognize that the government, federal government, rules with a heavy hand. And we do have two success stories, by the way. The transmission line that we’ve talked about down in southern Colorado and Pueblo, Kansas and Oklahoma have both now gotten that project off of the table. And so we’re now working at making sure Colorado follows the same suit. But that is the theme of what we’re going to be doing. And while the transmission line does not go through Washington County, we’re just going to emphasize the importance of property rights. And what do people do to make sure we maintain this control at the local level? That’s what we do in Akron on January 12th.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, well, that is awesome. I’m going to be traveling, so I’m not going to be able to make that. And I’m really bummed about that. But again, that will be January 12th in Akron, Colorado. And Trent Luce, that is so important. I’m excited to work on these important issues with you here in 2025. And it is time that we reclaim our country and that we reclaim Colorado. So Trent Luce, thank you so much. I wish you and yours a very joyful, healthy, and prosperous 2025.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, now I do ask you to have one New Year’s resolution. And that New Year’s resolution from Kim Munson is that I’m going to stop fabricating trips I need to go on when Trent plans an event that I should be at.
SPEAKER 06 :
I promise. I promise, okay? Thank you, Kim. Thank you. And our quote for the end of the show is Charles Goodnight. He says, cowards never lasted long enough to become real cowboys. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And Happy New Year.
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No one to cry. But tell them if I don’t survive, I was born.
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