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The Kim Munson Show takes listeners on a journey through today’s pressing political and societal issues, discussing topics such as the proper role of government, climate change, and economic policies. With a thorough examination of recent legislative decisions and historical context, Kim highlights the importance of protecting freedoms and the dangers of excessive governmental control. Featuring discussions on how to navigate the rapid changes in our political landscape, this episode is an essential listen for those interested in protecting personal liberties.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And we’ve got another great show planned for you, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson. That’s M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. You can find recaps and podcasts of the show there. And what you do is just click on the picture of that particular day. It’ll bring up a written summary as well as the show podcast. And sign up for our weekly email newsletter that comes out on Sundays. We normally only send one email each week. We don’t want to… blast your email inbox. But you’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And socialism is not about free stuff. Socialism ultimately has to come down to force, and it’s not compassionate. Many times they try to couch this force in compassion, like capitalism. Excess, excess taxation, let’s say, but it’s not compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihood, opportunities or lives. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation. Fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum’s agenda that plays into the globalist lease agenda using the United Nations, Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor, the World Health Organization. Land use codes can restrict your opportunity with your property. Zoning regulations, forced fees, conservation easements, etc. National Monument designations. We’ll talk tomorrow with both Josh Lowenstein and Sean Pond about that. So remember, if something is a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. The show comes to you Monday through Friday, 6 to 8 a.m. The first hour is rebroadcast in the afternoon, 1 to 2. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And this is on all the KLZ platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And the show comes to you again because of sponsors and all of your support. And I thank you for that. And I thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. We are beginning our seventh year of solo broadcasting, which is hard to believe. So let’s go ahead and jump into the things that we like to do. The first is our word of the day. And I have been actually getting into a system. When I see a word, I’m writing it down on the calendar and I have decided to do daily Bible reading. And it is amazing the number of words that you will see there or also our founding documents. So the word today is is superfluous that’s spelled s-u-p-e-r-f-l-u-o-u-s and it could be exceeding what is sufficient or necessary or not needed unnecessary or obsolete marked by wastefulness And when you look at all the marbles that they are trying to put in front of Trump and his administration, and that’s the Biden-Harris administration, the number of things that they are doing is clearly superfluous. So again, your challenge is to use the word superfluous in a sentence today. You will impress your friends and family when you do that. Our quote today is from Sun Tzu. He was a Chinese military general strategist, philosopher, and writer. And they didn’t give me exact birthday and death, but it was during the Eastern Shu period, 771 to 256 BC. Sun Tzu is traditionally credited as the author of The Art of War, an influential work of military strategy that has affected both Western and East Asian philosophy and military thought. And he said this, victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay the price. And we are in this huge battle of ideas right now. And so it is important to engage in it, be willing to pay the price. And that is to engage in conversations with friends, family, colleagues about what is really occurring out there. And you need to make sure that you know what’s going on. That’s why we do the show, bring on these amazing guests so that you can get your brain around these ideas. This day in history, in 1790, during the French Revolution, a major riot breaks out in Versailles as people demand lower bread prices. So when the cost of food gets too high, people really pay attention. And my father, a farmer who passed on last year, said one of the ways to control the people is to control the food source. And when you see all of these different policies that are making food more and more expensive, for everyday people. Perfect example is right here in Colorado. And you can go to my website. We republished a piece that I had written back in 23 regarding the new cage-free restrictions on egg production here in Colorado. And the initial regulations that went into place, egg prices went up almost double. They’re now up almost tripled. I guess it is. Yeah, up 200%. And a lot of that is because of this new cage-free egg regulations. Additionally, and Mary said that she’d been talking with a friend about these egg regulations regarding cage-free chickens. And her colleague was attributing this huge increase to the killing of flocks of chickens. Apparently over 2 million chickens have been killed here in Colorado because of, I have this in air quotes, the bird flu. It makes no sense to kill healthy chickens alone. because of the bird flu. You want to keep your flocks healthy. And the best way to do that is to make sure that you’re not killing the chickens that have natural immunity. So this is really an assault upon our food source. And so check out my essay, which we republished and I did some updated commentary you can find that at kimmunson.com and you’ve got to see the image that zach created with the golden dome down here the capital of colorado as an egg and it’s really really creative And so there’s this continual assault upon our food supply. And eggs have typically been a great protein source in diets. And it’s getting so expensive. Think about those young families just trying to keep it together. And because of all of these policies, they are creating higher and higher prices at the grocery store. And I just want to posit this question for you. If, in fact, there are those that care so much about chickens that we’ve passed this legislation regarding square footage and nesting and dust baths, a whole variety of things. Again, when we’ve got big problems here in Colorado, this is what this Colorado State Legislature has done. So care about chickens. They say they care about chickens. But then you have a little bit of bird flu and no problem killing them. And so somehow something doesn’t match up here. So again, 1790, French Revolution, Major Raya breaks out in Versailles as people demand lower bread prices. In 1822, free American blacks establish a settlement on Providence Island off the coast of West Africa, becomes the city of Monrovia, Liberia. In 1942, World War II, the siege of Bataan in the Philippines starts. Americans and Filipino forces surrender in April. And, of course, the Bataan Death March was terrible. I remember seeing that movie when I was a kid, and it was really unbelievable. If people started to straggle or fall behind, they were just taken over to the side of the road and shot by the Japanese. Back in the 70s, there was this concern that the world was going the earth was going to get too cold to freeze. And of course, what was playing into that was some of those temperatures. And then we would like a little bit of warming, particularly 1971, negative 40 degrees Fahrenheit in Holly Lake, Arizona. Never thought I’d have that temperature and the word Arizona in the same sentence. But then the earth is warmed, which is a good thing because plants thrive and prosper. People do better when it’s warmer. And so they were concerned about global warming. Well, then we didn’t necessarily have warmer temperatures all the time. So now it was climate change. And that has been used to really try to destroy America. So 1999, though, President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial begins in the U.S. Senate after the House voted to impeach him for lying about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. That’s certainly down memory lane. A 2018 snowfalls in the Sahara Desert with 15 inches reported in northwestern Algeria. And then back in 2023, vaccine for bees against the American fool-brewed bacteria proved in the U.S. the first vaccine in the U.S. for any insect. I was not aware of that. I’m not sure we need to be vaccinating our insects. So anyway, that is this day in history. show comes to you because of our sponsors. This is going to be a big football weekend. Great place to watch the games would be Hooters Restaurants. They have great happy hour specials, great specials Monday through Friday for lunch as well. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. How I got to know them, it’s a very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that try to exert their idea of how life should be lived. And that is antithetical to really the American idea. And this whole thing came down when I was on city council 2012 to 2016. And that was before COVID. But I could see the danger when you started to have PBIs determine which businesses that they would determine could be in business, that could be essential, if you will, and those that couldn’t. And so that’s why it’s so important to stand for freedom and capitalism, that businesses can compete in the free market. And so if you want that whole story, you can go to my website. That is KimMunson.com. And then, of course, for your insurance coverage, be sure and check out the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. They can help you with your home, your auto, your boat, renter’s insurance. 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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Gammy had texted me this morning regarding the House Bill 1039 that was put into law last year, where all public schools must now implement a written policy outlining how staff will honor a student’s request to use a name different than their legal name. And this is this whole pronoun game thing. And this plays into this whole transgender thing. agenda that is a huge attack upon our children. Colorado, I am so sorry to say, is at the forefront of pushing this agenda through this legislature, this governor. And our kids are not learning how to read and write and do arithmetic and cursive and civics. And this is so disruptive in the classroom. There are those kids that want to get some extra attention, and they’re going to be playing this pronoun game. And teachers that really got into the profession because they cared about children are going to be forced into playing this game as well. This is a real problem here in Colorado. And so you need to know what’s going on, and one of the ways to do that is to join us, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. We will be looking at all of the legislation that is scheduled for hearing each week and taking positions. on pieces of legislation regarding property rights, taxes, school choice, TABOR. And so one of the first things to do is to be informed. You need the different tools in your toolbox, and this is one of those. And then you will be able to see the different bills that we’re taking positions on something is an issue that you are concerned about, then adopt that bill and get active in this. And the Colorado Union of Taxpayers was founded in 1976. It’s all volunteers been taking positions on legislation since 19, I guess, 77 was the first year. And when you see these people, these volunteers out and about, say thank you to them. This is the Colorado Union Taxpayers Board. Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, And Dave Evans and Corey Onusorg are going to be joining the board as well. We just have to vote on them to make that official this next meeting, which is next Monday night. But the dues are only $25 a year. So it’s basically $2.08 a month. And you will be getting hours and hours. volunteer time of analysis on these things so be sure and join us you can do that by going to Colorado taxpayer org that’s Colorado taxpayer org and join us there and then we will be having a legislative kickoff event on January 23rd at the Colorado Automobile Dealers Association and a number of legislators will be there we’d love to have you join us that cost on that’s $10 and And tickets will go on sale next Monday. We’ll probably have it in the newsletter this weekend. And I wish I could be in two places at the same time because the Center for American Values will be having an On Values presentation that night as well in Pueblo. And unfortunately, I’ve tried to be in two places at the same time, never successfully. But that is also something that would be great to attend. And we’ll be getting more details for you on that as well. Headlines to run through. First thing yesterday, Congress formally certifies Trump’s election win. And as certainly interesting that Kamala Harris as vice president, she was president of the Senate and she was the one that actually. made the announcement that certified and certified a Trump’s election win. So certainly quite the interesting chain of events. Next thing, the judge denies Trump’s plea to delay the sentencing, Friday’s sentencing on his hush money trial. And this Judge Juan Merchan denied this request and And Trump’s lawyers are likely to appeal this decision to a New York appeals court. And they continue to go after Trump. And unbelievable. And again, this whole hush money thing is is. is just really interesting how they continue to go after him. So here, let’s just connect a dot. This day in history, 1999, President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial begins because he lied regarding his affair regarding Monica Lewinsky. And so just connect the dot on how people are treated a little bit differently. Next thing that is super interesting is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stepped down as the Liberal Party. And the Daily, that was the headline from Time. And The Daily Wire says Pierre Polarev, my French is not great, torches Justin Trudeau as his political career goes down in flames. And again, this is The Daily Wire. And this conservative party leader, Pierre Polarev, said Canadians desperate to turn the page on this dark chapter in our history might be relieved today that Justin Trudeau is finally leaving. But what has really changed, he asked, every liberal MP in power today and every potential liberal leadership contender fighting for the top job helped Justin Trudeau break the country over the past nine years. He said all liberal politicians actively work to pass into law the job killing inflationary carbon tax attacks that carbon tax Carney endorsed in his book. all supported a law quadrupling the tax over the next five years, and all voted for or actively supported Trudeau’s out-of-control spending, debt, and immigration. The conservative leader went on to say that Trudeau’s policies have increased violent crime by 50%, gun crime by 116%, and hate crime by 250%. He said that Trudeau’s party has dumped him because he has become deeply unpopular and unable to win an election with one coming up right around the corner. And certainly this Trudeau’s policies have have really been detrimental for Canada, as the Biden Harris policies have been so detrimental to the United States. What we need to make sure is that we realize that it’s not just that person. It is these policies that we really need to be watching. And again, Colorado is at the tip of the spear of so many of these radical activist extreme policies. And and so that is why we need to stay focused on these issues, not the personalities. We’ll talk about the people pushing them, but it’s the policies that we really need to stay on top of. So, again, I find this so interesting. And then with Trump talking about Canada becoming the 51st state. This is wild to me. So it’s like, stay tuned to see what’s happening. And then I saw a headline that Don Jr. was headed to Greenland. And of course, Trump has been talking about how important Greenland is. So this is super interesting. And so stay tuned on this. Then again, talking about marbles that Biden is trying to have in front of Trump and as he is coming into office and as Trump is leaving, is these national monument designations. And there’s one out in California with thousands and thousands of acres. There’s one here that will be proposed here in Colorado. and six other states, and we’ll talk about that tomorrow. But all of these different marbles that is being thrown in front of Trump, and hopefully he can walk many of these things back because they’re executive orders. But again, it’s pretty unbelievable. But my friends, remember this. Remember this particular agenda. We’ve not talked about this yet, and this is USA Today. And one day ago, Biden awards the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and 17 others. George Soros has used his money to try to destroy America. So what a slap in the face to Americans that Biden would award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George Soros, again, who has been trying to destroy our country. And Whoops, hold on here. I just had a little technical difficulty. Next thing I wanted to mention was this headline, J.K. Rowling, who is the author of the Harry Potter series. This is from the Daily Wire. She has come out really strong against this whole transgender movement. And this headline, and this is a piece by Katie Jurkovic, said this, J.K. Rowling, Rose Queer Eye Star, says he’s culpable as dogs are performing trans surgeries on kids. And I hope from a legal standpoint that we really start to hold these doctors and these hospitals accountable. And in a post on Exxon Monday, the famed Harry Potter author reacted to a clip of Van Ness pushing transgender surgeries and puberty blockers for minors, which he claimed were safe and reversible. They’re not. And she went on to say, Van Ness advocates for medical interventions on minors that are irreversible, may be deeply regretted, and carry a high chance of serious complications, Rowling wrote to her millions of followers. In my opinion, celebrity gender propagandists like Van Ness are as culpable as the doctors who’ve traded ethics for profit, she added. At this point, nobody can plead ignorance. Either they know and they don’t care, or they’re determined not to look at the evidence, which is just as deplorable. And then you can connect all of this right back to this text that Gammy sent me regarding this whole pronoun game that will be played in all Colorado schools because it is Colorado law. And they, too, are culpable for this problem. this destruction of our young people. And so stay tuned. We’re going to continue to engage in this very important battle of ideas. And then one other thing, Boulder has a higher minimum wage. This is from CBS News, and it is putting strains on It is really difficult right now to be in the restaurant business, particularly here in Colorado and particularly in Boulder. It says Boulder voters approved the increase of a minimum wage in the city from $14.42 to $15.57 per hour. It went into effect January 1. And it says as the new year begins, Peter Waters, the Tiako restaurant owner, is… Hold on here just a second. He said he’s taking a closer look at his budget. And so what you’re going to be seeing is more and more automation. People will be losing their jobs. He said he went on to say we have about 50,000 labor hours a year. So a $1.10 increase is a quick $55,000 that we need to figure out how to adjust for. And what’s going to happen is they’re going to have to raise prices. People will not be able to go out and eat as often, so there’ll be less business, and this is going to really put a strain on these restaurants, and ultimately many of them may close, taking away food choices for you. And again, it’s terrible public policy. The people of Boulder apparently voted for this, and so stay tuned to see all of the consequences on this. If you are going to buy or sell a home or look at a new build, you’re going to want to reach out to Karen Levine. 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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it so pleased to have on the line with me wade miller senior advisor with the center for renewing america back in the Washington DC area. Wade Miller, welcome to the show.
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Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
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It’s been a while since we’ve talked, and a lot has happened. Donald Trump has been elected as our next president. The election has been certified. You at the Center for Renewing America have your fingers on the pulse of everything that’s happening in Congress. Mike Johnson has been reelected as speaker. Give us updates. What’s happening? What’s the inside baseball on all this?
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Well, you know, now there’s two things going on here. One, there’s going to be a track of hearings and confirmations of the president’s nominees to run all of the various agencies and departments. And so that, you know, I think the American people will expect the Senate to be doing that quickly. And actually taking that seriously. And then the second track in the House will be to get started on the president’s agenda. And one of the things that a lot of people hear about is a process called budget reconciliation. So every single time there’s a budget done, you can do what’s called budget reconciliation. which is a budgetary vehicle, and in it you can put in policy reforms, but they have to have some sort of direct significant impact on inlays, taxes, inlays and outlays, so spending and taxes. And it can’t be like you can’t do something like, ban DEI probably or something like that. It has to have a budgetary impact directly as soon as you do it. And just because you spend money on it doesn’t necessarily mean that – so there’s a whole process called the birdbath that has to go through to make sure that it’s all good. But the reason this is important is because a big part of what the president wants to get done, taxes, border, they can do a lot of that through budget reconciliation. And the reason that’s important is because – In the Senate, that’s a 50-vote threshold. So, you know, Republicans have, what is it, 53 Senate seats? Correct me if I’m wrong, but a lot of votes in the Senate will require upwards of 60 because of the filibuster rule and just the different processes in the Senate. So even though bills will pass the House with, you know, roughly 218 votes often – the Senate will require a much higher threshold as a percentage of the body. So 50-50, 50% in the House and roughly 60% in the Senate is going to be the norm with the exception of budget reconciliation. So we can do that at 50% in the Senate. So there’s a lot of expectations that we need to get a lot of what President Trump wants done in that package. And there’s various debates on whether we do two budget reconciliation packages, and there’s a reason we can do two. I won’t bore the listeners into the details of that right now. But the reality is we can actually do two of them, but there’s a debate about whether we should do it all in one bill or whether we should do it all in two bills. And there’s dangers, upsides and downsides to both of those answers. If we do two bills, well, what happens if the moderates tank the border security one and only pass the tax one. So these are all questions that we’re going to have to grapple with and figure out the best path forward and really make sure that we’re pushing congressional leadership to get those things done.
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Well, and Wade Miller at the Center for Renewing America, your founder, Russ Vogt, has been tapped on the shoulder to serve in the Trump administration. And so that’s a pretty big deal.
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It is. We’re excited. He’s going to be director of, uh, office of management budget, which is, has been described by many as kind of the beating heart of the executive branch because it basically, you know, for lack of a better description, it controls all the other branches by directing spending and administrative policy. So it’s one of the more powerful positions that not a lot of people are often familiar with, but, uh, Russ is a friend of ours and obviously our boss, and we’re very excited that he’s going to be in this opportunity because there’s just so much that you can do through OMB to help advance the president’s agenda. If you want Trump to succeed, you really need OMB to be functioning properly and by someone who knows how to wield the power of OMB to get the president’s agenda done.
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Well, and I would recommend that people check out your website. It’s the Center for Renewing America, americarenewing.com. One of the things that people have been concerned about, and a little surprise, is that Trump is wanting to get rid of the debt limit. And, of course, we’re so concerned about this unsustainable debt that we have. So speak to that, Wade Miller.
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Yeah, so, you know, Obviously, as conservatives, we all are very concerned about the debt. And so the debt limit is a statutory ceiling on how much debt can be accrued by the United States. And, you know, we obviously I think a lot of conservatives like having that in place as a check to force Congress to wrangle with the idea of more spending and at least make them have to have that conversation. However, And it’s not an insignificant or irrelevant concern of the president. The president has concerns that the debt ceiling will be used to essentially slow down his ability to enact his agenda and really undermine his entire presidency. And, you know, if properly done, the Democrat, there is something to that. So Democrats could basically block the increase of a debt ceiling, and once that happens, the Treasury will have to start to take out extraordinary measures to make sure that all of the interest payments are being made, and essentially the government could be shut down and a lot of things could – grind to a halt, which matters if you’re really dedicated to a sweeping reform agenda because you need people in the office going through figuring out all of these efficiencies and workforce reductions. If the president in his mind has it that he is going to get to work here and actually start doing a lot of things to change the way the federal bureaucracy looks and functions, which is necessary if you want to get woke and weaponized, spending, then, uh, it’s not an insignificant concern that the debt ceiling could be used by Democrats as a hurdle. And I think there’s two schools of thoughts on this. And, but I think that, um, I think that there’s, uh, you know, workarounds to this and we should, we should, uh, uh, look at all that, but, uh, Certainly in the context of what the president is going to do, it’s not an unfounded concern that the debt ceiling could be weaponized by Democrats to sabotage the president’s agenda.
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So spending did increase significantly in the last Trump administration. Of course, then it just blew the socks off it during the Biden-Harris administration. I had I had thought that perhaps what because the economy was really humming before the whole reaction to the to covid. And of course, shutting down our economy changed things significantly there. But I thought that perhaps Trump was looking at if he got that second term in 2020, that the economy would grow so much, the pie would become so much bigger, the tax revenues would go up and that we would be able to actually address this crisis. the deficits and also the huge debt. Of course, with the reaction to COVID, all that changed on that, Wade.
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Yeah, I agree. And the other variable there is we had Paul Ryan, who just refused to send over a bill that was a serious spending bill for the president to sign. And if you’ll remember, the president threatened to veto on a couple of occasions spending bills when Republicans held both the House and the Senate in his first term, and they just wouldn’t send him a good spending bill. And I think that one, and maybe this is just providence, but one of the benefits of the president, uh, you know, being denied the presidency in 2020 is that he really had a lot of time to sit down and understand what happened in this first administration to wrangle with how it was that the bureaucracy and, you know, uh, some people who were not in his administration for the right reasons or were committed to his, uh, agenda, how they kind of undermined a lot of what he wanted to get done. And one of those things is, uh, wrangling with woke and weaponized government and the vast amount of money that’s being spent for those agencies to be woke and weaponized. And so I think that the point of that being is that I think that this go-around, the president is in a much different mindset of how to advance his agenda. And I think by tapping Russ’ vote to run OMB, and to basically signal to him to take the gloves off and go do what needs to be done to fix this government so that it works for the American people. I think he’s surrounded himself with a very different set of people. He’s nominated a lot of very different-minded people than you would have expected from the first go-around. So I think that what you’re going to see after January 20th is going to be a very vigorous and energetic administration in ways that people— did not see in 2016, 2017 and in his first administration.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and so I want to talk with you about Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. So we’ll do that when we come back. These are such important discussions. They occur because of our sponsors. And one of those great sponsors is John Boson with Boson Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. Do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you can see the plans for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, the official memorials right here in Colorado. And make a contribution. It is so important that we honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is a senior advisor with the Center for Renewing America, Wade Miller. Wade, you’re right there in where everything is happening. This whole doge, the Department of Government Efficiency that Trump has charged Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy with changing things significantly with the bureaucracy. What what do you think about this? Are they going to be effective? What’s that look like?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I think in the main, it’s going to be a very helpful entity to the degree that it is actually a government entity. Right now, it’s called Department of Government Efficiency, but there’s no actual real governmental entity that’s recognized or funded by taxpayers. So right now, it’s just kind of, for lack of a better explanation, a nonprofit organization. that’s run by, uh, those two. Uh, and it’s going to be, you know, there’s going to be back and forth. There was recently a debate about H1B visas and, you know, the, the good, the upside, the downside. And, and, and then I think ultimately it started out kind of heated between a lot of the MAGA base and, uh, Elon and Vivek. Uh, and, but what it ended up to is kind of, uh, Elon, uh, kind of, uh, insisting that maybe there’s a good compromise here. And I think that the compromise he proposed was actually a pretty good solution that we’ve actually called for ourselves in terms of H-1B reform. But overall, I think there’s going to be a lot of agreement. And they come from a different perspective and point of view than a lot of the MAGA base. So at times, there’s going to be some disagreement. But I think that they are committed to hearing that out. And I think the Department of Government Efficiency is going to be working with OMB at times. So my boss… Russ will also be able to speak into that debate and have conversations with them and align the debate in the direction it needs to go if necessary. And I think that they’ve established a pretty good talking relationship. So I think that that type of thing behind the scenes will be happening consistently when necessary. But, you know, you have Elon Musk, who has 200 something million followers on X because, of course, he owns X. And Vivek, who was a presidential candidate with also millions of followers. And I think between the two of them, not just the number of people they can speak to, but also combined they have a lot of money. And Vivek is the most – I think he’s the richest person in the world right now. And so when Vivek says that you better do this or we might primary you next time, then I think that that’s going to gain attention. So I think that there’s going to be a willingness for a lot of Republican members to go along with a lot of these recommendations on that basis alone. But at the end of the day, I think it’s important for people to remember that President Trump is the president, and we’re not going to do things just because Elon and Vivek want to do them. We’re going to do them if that’s what the president or Congress wants to do. But I do think that it is in that a very good development. I think it’s an interesting experiment. And I think that in the main, we should expect a lot of good to come out of it in terms of advocating for things like combating woke and weaponized government, securing the border, ending waste, fraud and abuse, that type of activity.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Wade Miller, we’ve talked about this woke and weaponized spending that is really sent out to try to, I think, control local, county and state governments and school districts as well. And I’d like to implement some kind of a doge here in Colorado at the local and the county and the state level. And I think one of the first things would be for us as Coloradans to demand that our governments stop taking all of this federal money. That would help with, I think, the spending problem, but also I think it would be a way for us to help gain control back of our communities. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 12 :
100% agree. The federal government, in most respects, unless it’s a constitutionally prescribed power, cannot compel states or localities, cities, municipalities, etc., to do things. So how do they go about doing it? Well, they just attach a lot of money to it. And if you’re a small town and potentially there’s $3 million attached to this one requirement— you know, that’s a big chunk of your overall budget. So a lot of states and cities have been enticed over the years to accept all of this money. But with it comes requirements from the federal government that you have to do X, you have to do Y. And so I think that you’re right. One way that we can get to, you know, kill two birds with one stone, we can go after kind of the woke and weaponized bureaucracy and we can start saving money at our state level and reasserting our own authorities over things, is to start just rejecting and denying a lot of these types of grants. Now, I do think that the federal government is going to be looking at a lot of these and to where it’s legally possible ending a lot of this, because some of this happens through grants as well. And states apply for those grants, and then they get them. And a lot of these grants are for Some of them are for OK things, but there’s clauses in there that demand that certain bad things have to be funded. So there’s going to be a kind of a double edged effort here to rein that in and stop at one at the federal level. And I think that it’s the efficacy of this of this all is improved if states and localities start their own parallel efforts here. to try to divorce themselves from federal government overreach and assert their sovereignty. Doesn’t mean we’re not a union, doesn’t mean that there’s not some cooperation on certain issues, but the federal government needs to stop telling states how to function. And I think that the way that this has been working, this cookie cutter, one size fits all solution where the federal government tries to solve things by making states do all of these various things, I think that’s one of the things that’s caused social division within our country. I think that, in other words, if you don’t like the way that California is being run, you can just go to Texas or vice versa. And over the years, more and more, the federal government has been dictating more and more policy through the allure of grants and federal funding. So by eliminating that, you allow the states to become a pressure relief valve on differences of opinion. And you actually have a true laboratory of democracy in our republic where states get to experiment around with what works best. And the voters can look and see and see that California is on the downswing and move there or move to Texas or Florida or vice versa.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Colorado is at the forefront, just like California, on many of these terrible policies. And so what’s happened is over the last 15 years, we had been tops, probably in the top five or ten for economic growth with all of these terrible policies that are being played out here by this colorado state legislature and this governor we have moved to 41st from a recent report by the um lead school of business and so as we’re seeing these terrible policies uh play out we are seeing people that are looking to other states to move to uh just because um just because of that to wade miller
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and I’ve experienced that myself. I’ve been traveling to Colorado all of my adult life for various reasons for work and or vacations, and I’ve seen it firsthand. Denver used to be in my opinion, the nicest downtown in America for a large population. There’s maybe some smaller towns with really nice little main streets that I love. But in terms of big cities, Denver used to be the nicest. I don’t want to go to Denver. It’s just so grimy and gross and it’s not safe for children anymore. And it leaves us, those of us not from Colorado, wondering what the heck is happening here. And, you know, we’re just looking from the outside aghast at how such a beautiful and wonderful state is being ruined one by one by all of these people who pretend to have the moral high ground. All these various debates that really don’t possess moral high ground at all. And all they’re effectively doing is destroying a beautiful state. It’s mind boggling.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and we are working to reclaim that. So, Wade Miller, this is super fascinating. And again, that website is AmericaRenewing.com. And we have a minute left. How would you like to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think that the first 100 days, so the president gets put into office on January 20th. I think that for those of you that are excited about this, I think it’s going to be better than you’re anticipating. I think that the first 100 days are going to be extremely aggressive. There’s going to be a lot to celebrate. And I think that the good news is. is that there’s going to be so many things happening that the radical left is not going to be able to really stop and focus on any one of them. And I think that they’re just going to be in kind of a daze at how much the president is doing in the first hundred days to undo their agenda and save America. So it’s an exciting time.
SPEAKER 08 :
It really is an exciting historic time that that we’re living right now. And I it’s like fasten our seatbelt and it’s going to be very exciting. Wade Miller, I thank you for all of the great work that you are doing at the Center for Renewing America. And I really appreciate you sharing the inside baseball with us this morning as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER 08 :
And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Sun Tzu, and as I talked about that we are in this battle of ideas, I thought this was such an excellent quote. And it’s this, it is more important to outthink your enemy than to outfight him. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically and strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two. We’re going to be talking with Natalie Minton, who is a great citizen. advocate on how we can use ACORA, which is the Colorado Open Records Act, on reclaiming our communities. And I think it’s also going to be important so that we can really shed light on all of this federal grant money that Our school districts, our local governments, county and state have gotten addicted to. And as one of our listeners had just texted me, federal grants are equivalent to for the states are like bribes. And they’re absolutely right. So stay tuned for our number two. We’ll be right back.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation and welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And I learned a lot in that first hour with Wade Miller. They’re right there on Capitol Hill. And there is so much that’s happening right now in our country. It’s pretty fascinating, Joe.
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It really is. There’s some hope. I feel that at least.
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Okay. Did the FDA approve these drugs or these hormones, these artificial hormones?
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Yeah. They’re out there. They’re approved. Kim, as you know, I’m sure you know, we don’t have, well, we’re not without corruption in the government. Who knows what the FDA knew and didn’t know and who was working for the FDA at the time the approval came and how deep was the digging? We don’t know those things, not all those things, not yet. But like many pharmaceutical cases before COVID, there’s a very, very strong likelihood that additional evidence is going to come to light that shows, hey, folks knew. They knew plenty. They knew way back when, and that’s the basis for many of these lawsuits with or against pharmaceuticals, that they knew stuff that they should have disclosed, and because of the almighty dollar, said, no, we’re going to sell a bunch more of this before it may. get taken off the market.
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Okay, and people, I know weight is such a big deal here in America, and there are healthy ways to lose weight. Actually, one of my grandparents said one of the great ways to lose weight is to exercise regularly. And then he said that the exercise that he liked to do was to push himself away from the table. And I thought, well, that is pretty good advice. But people, again, I think that many of them probably took this. They thought they were told it was safe, it was effective. And as you mentioned, there’s what did they know and there may very well be some recourse for people. So again, what is that great number for Boson Law, John Boson?
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And that’s, again, I think that’s a good John Boson dadism as well, to be skeptical, to question. I think that’s really important. So, John Boson, again, that number is 303-999-9999. If you’re having side effects from these drugs, such as Ozempic, be sure and give Boson Law a call. We’ll talk with you next week and get your weekly update then.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I did want to say thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. We are beginning our seventh year of solo broadcasting, and it’s because of these great sponsors. Pleased to have on the line with me Natalie Minton. She is really a citizen advocate. She has been a protector of TABOR, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights, for many years. She served on the RTD board as a director, again, protecting people’s pocketbooks and and she’s just a wealth of knowledge on so many different issues. Welcome, Natalie Minton.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, Kim. Glad to be here.
SPEAKER 08 :
And you have been a protector of TABOR, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights, for many years, and it was voted on and put into the Constitution by the people of Colorado. What was that, 1992? Is that when that was? Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And the ink wasn’t even dry before PBIs, those politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties went to work to undercut it and undermine it. Natalie Minton.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s correct. And they’ve been working on it for the last 30 plus years, whittling away, but we still have our Tabor and there is still a lot to protect.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and we had a couple of really tough elections, though, this last November where some real stalwarts that have been protecting their citizens against the overreach of PBIs and protecting Tabor. And that was Jefferson County. And Arapahoe County, the voters got talked into, and I think using government money, to vote to give up Tabor and Jeffco and Arapahoe County and also eliminated some of their protections on property tax increases, correct?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it was an absolutely disgusting display of government power manipulating the process. Really disgusting. Stealing democracy and allowing voters to have information before they cast their vote. So, yeah, that was a deep stab. Let me just put it that way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I know that it was. And so we’ve got to continue to work to reclaim Tabor. And you’re doing great work on that. One of the ways to do that and one of the ways to hold our government accountable is through CORA, these Colorado Open Records Act requests. And Mary, one of our listeners last week wanted to know, does it cost something? And I thought, let’s just do a real feature on CORA. So where should we begin with this, Natalie Minton?
SPEAKER 16 :
okay let’s start with this first of all um cora stands for colorado open records act so when we reference cora we’re specifically talking about doing a public information request on a colorado government i mentioned that just because sometimes i hear people say foia f-o-i-a foia would deal with the federal government so when we talk about core we’re dealing with colorado governments and It’s a law that’s embedded within our regulations that we the people are allowed to request certain information from our government. And it’s detailed out in state statutes. So it can be used on a state legislator to get information from them. It could be used on a regulatory body. It can be used on your city council, your regional transportation district, special district, school district. So that’s where CORA applies. And it starts with one, first of all, obviously check the government’s website, see if you could find the information yourself without going through a open records request. And if you can’t, then you’re allowed to send either using their format or portal, whatever they may offer, to submit that request to the government and say, hey, I checked your site. I can’t find this info. Please provide me this information. Then the government, because of the laws that protect CORA, has a certain amount of time to respond. Unfortunately, there’s not a lot of penalties if they don’t comply, but in a lot of cases, they will. So just in the last year, I’ve done far more cores than I would like to talk about or that we have time to talk about. But to give examples, I wanted, over time, you said I mentioned I’ve been on the Regional Transportation District as a board director. Leading into that, I had requested RTT employees’ salaries. And over years, I’ve continued to keep acquiring that information. I’ve done the same thing with school district. Recently, it was beginning of December, I said to RTD, all right, you don’t publish the salaries online, give me an Excel spreadsheet. And it took roughly a month, along with a reminder for me as to when I’m going to get the information to get that. Now, that was far beyond the statutory time they’re allowed to respond. So I could get upset about that, or I can just keep pushing forward, get the information I need. Ultimately, I hope to get as many of my CORAs accomplished without having to pay a fee. In RTD’s case, they were good, even though they took roughly a couple weeks more than they should have. They did not charge me for that information. And they gave me the information I requested. So they get a three or a four star out of five for that.
SPEAKER 08 :
So just a question. What’s the salaries of the top people at RTD?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I can tell you this. After looking, yes, they have roughly 2,000 employees at RTD, just to make you aware. Maybe 2,300 employees, somewhere in there. Out of That amount of employees, over 430 of them make over $100,000 a year. So you’re going to see our top general manager at RTD make an outrageous amount of money. I voted no on that contract, by the way. Making roughly $450,000 a year for our general manager of RTD, the Regional Transportation District. an outrageous amount of money, frankly.
SPEAKER 08 :
And also they get perks, probably, too. They probably maybe get a car, a car allowance, and they’ll end up with a nice pension that’s being paid for by the taxpayer as well, correct?
SPEAKER 16 :
She might get used to a car. I forget if that’s in the contract, but there’s usually some other benefits. Now, that would be like a top-tier employee that would get something like that. But let’s just factor in regular benefits. And RTD has a quite beefy pension compared to the private sector. So whatever the salary would be, you need to really add a minimum of 25%, but 30% is a safer figure to add on to those salaries. So You know, at RTD, you’ve got general – I don’t want to go on that one too far because I’ve got a lot of other examples. But it’s eye-opening to think that maybe the government employees are earning less. I would – in the private sector, I would say no. Government employees – in the old days, it was government jobs. You got a little less, let’s say, in the hourly net position. But your pension – made up for those things. Now we have the governments making more than the private sector and getting juicier benefits.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the private sector pays for it.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the private, that’s right, exactly. So, you know, that’s one example. The question was, how much can things cost? Well, here’s another example. I’ve been looking into DEI lately. diversity, equity, inclusion, because this has become a big bandwagon for governments to jump on. And the end result is that we’ve got full-time employees, DEI employees. So the University of Colorado just put out a bid for a contractor to do DEI consulting. I put in this CORA, to get the contract for the DEI consultant. And it started in June of last year. I had to do a repeat.
SPEAKER 07 :
Whoops, did we lose her?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so I don’t know what happened with our audio on that, so just hang in here because we really do have a cliffhanger on Natalie Minton trying to get that contract regarding DEI at the University of Colorado. So what I think we’ll do is we will go to break, and we’ll be back here in just a minute. But Lavaca Meat Company is located in Old Littleton at the corner of Maine and Nevada. And it really is a premium product, great protein source for your diet, and certainly that steakhouse experience at home.
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SPEAKER 08 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation. It is so important that we honor our military, those that have given their lives, been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And a great thing to do would be to support the USMC Memorial Foundation as they are raising the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. More information, USMCMemorialFoundation.org. That is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. Talking with Natalie Minton, she is really a citizen advocate. She is a taxpayer watchdog. She is a former director on the RTD board, and she’s an expert on CORA, Colorado Open Records Act, and how we can use this to learn about things so we can reclaim our rights. our local, our county, our state, and our school districts, these metropolitan districts, all of these different things. And we had a little challenge on the audio. And so we’ve got this cliffhanger that Natalie Minton said that she had been trying to get the contract for the University of Colorado’s DEI consulting contract. And she said that she was working on that and then we lost her. So Natalie Minton, we’ve got this set up. So what happened?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, so far I still don’t have a response. So I am getting a little bit frustrated with University of Colorado and why there’s no response, but I’ll continue to work on it. What prompted me to go into that is DEI has not been a fascination for me. I think it’s a program that needs a lot of inspection because we’ve gotten away from our ground of hiring the best employee. That’s what we should do when we have government positions. And DEI puts a big gray cloud over that, whether that’s actually occurring. But as an example, I had to do a CORA on Jefferson County doing the same thing. How many DEI employees do we have? It turns out in Jeffco, we have four full-time employees. Now, note this is the county that was crying, saying, claiming they couldn’t hire public safety officials. deputies. But yet we could hire four, we employ four DEI employees to the cost of roughly $350,000 a year plus benefits. So there’s another example. Let me go back to how do people do ACORA and what you can encounter and how you get around some of the challenges. Because I think that’s, I could give examples all day long, but So, with ACORA, when you go to the government’s website, you’re going to, first of all, I just always search public information request. And then usually I’m going to find a page on the government’s website that directs me what their preferred method is as to how I submit a request. Some of those are fairly decent. You’ll go into an electronic portal. You’ll fill out your name. All you really need to fill out, because you’re going to get an electronic response, you need to fill out your name and your email address, and then the scope or the subject matter you want. They may ask, why do you want the information? You don’t need to tell them. They may ask, what is your position, your title, da, da, da. You don’t need to tell them any of that stuff. All they need is your name and an email address to send it back to you. So some of the tricks the government will use to try to, what’s the word I want to say, discourage people from asking for public information is that the government is allowed to charge money for a court request. So when you’re framing what you’re looking for, you don’t really want a really big wide net. You do in a sense, but you also don’t. You don’t want to make it such a big, big ask that they’re going to come back and say, that’s $3,000 or $2,000 or $500. And trust me, they will. So you want to narrow your scope to what you are looking for. Now, um, In Jeffco’s case, which is where I live, so I have more of those in some other counties, the sheriff’s department wanted $1,100 from me to be able to look at their old newsletters. They claimed they were going to have like, I don’t know, 20 hours or 30 hours, I forget what it was, of digging through their information to get those newsletters. Well, I didn’t pay that. My alternative was When I get presented something like that, it’s under Colorado law. I can say, get all those records, boxes, whatever they are, ready. I’m going to come in and I will do this labor that you’re trying to charge me for. So you have the right to inspect records is the big picture there. Therefore, you’re not paying them to dig through it. You’re going in. Now, that’ll really freak them out, which is okay with me. Because then they’re getting the point that, hey, if you mess with me, I’m going to come back at you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Natalie, I just have to ask this question. And that is that it seems that… government records all of this information should be readily available to the public because these are elected representatives that hire staff obviously to they’re supposed to be serving us the people and um and i kind of remember as the they were talking about these different charges for these open records this is information that should be readily available i think
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I agree 100%. There’s two ways they’re really backing up their claim that they need to charge money. One is they have to go and dig through the records. But you’re right. We hire and we employ public information officers, PIOs. We employ and pay these people to provide us with information. But they will state, well, we’ve got labor and to cover our costs, we’re allowed to charge you. Now, in Colorado… because of not a very good bill that got passed a few years ago. We are now, the government can charge us over $40 per hour for the research of these records. But the other thing they will charge us for, and this is what I find maybe a little more sickening, disgusting, is that they will charge us to redact records. So I had a, this last year, a CORA, I did end up paying for this one, $300, where I wanted a series of email exchanges. Now, these email exchanges, they were in Jeffco, they were about the ballot issue, and I wanted to know how they came about determining a certain number, the calculation of the Tabor refund, the property tax cap. They said, Ms. Minton, that’s $300 because we’ve got to look through it all, and our legal staff needs to look through it and make sure we’re not disclosing something we shouldn’t. So what I paid for was a lawyer to black out parts of email exchanges and keep that information hidden. Now, that’s disturbing because you come to realize the legal staff we have in many governments is not there to protect us. The legal staff is there to protect the government. That’s their job. That’s disturbing. So another thing, this is a thing I want to make sure I do talk about and don’t forget, is that when they do say, It’s going to take us 30 hours to go through all of these records. Well, in Colorado, under the part of the law where it says what you can charge people for, we get, as a public, the first hour of research is quote-unquote free. And I say that because obviously we’re paying for it anyway through our taxes. You can break up these CORA requests. So that you try to accomplish each requester. So let’s say, okay, I want emails between June and August. And they say, well, it’s going to be $400. And we’ve got this amount of hours and they’ll say it’s, I don’t know, whatever that breaks out 10 hours. I will go hunt up nine other people and say, okay, you’re going to request for this period of days. You’re doing this period of days. I’m doing this period of days on and on. And I’ve had to do that more and more frequently. And I’ve got a name for it now. I call it the Cora Club.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. If people want to become part of your Cora Club, how can they do that, Natalie Minton?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, always looking for recruits. They can send an email to me at coloradoengaged.com. at gmail.com. And that’s Colorado all spelled out. So coloradoengaged at gmail.com. If somebody wants to learn how to do a CORA, wants to be a helper when I’m doing a task, I would welcome their help and I will train them. I will say, here’s the exact wording I want you to submit. I want you to send it to this email address. You’re going to this URL link. That’s where you’re going to submit it. You’ll get a response in three days that says, yep, we’re working on it. So that is one way to get away from it, but get away from having to pay high-cost CORAs. And the government is learning that we’re figuring out how to work around them. So what they have been doing over the last few years is trying to make government safer, a bigger wall, a thicker wall, a higher wall on keeping us away from the information. So we have to be as equally or more aggressive in trying to assert our rights. There’s another bill rumored to be coming up in this session, the legislative session, that will be a rewrite of what was attempted last year. and where they want to extend the amount of time they have to respond and the costs continue to go up because it’s driven by um the inflation basically the consumer price index so we continue to see the cost go up so the more we have to fight back and we’re going to have to fight this bill that’s going to go through the state capitol and Say, hey, you guys, you have a communications engagement public information officer for half of the departments within the government agency, and you’re telling me it’s more important that this person be posting Twitter filler crap, sorry, or Facebook ads or whatever instead of just responding to the public about questions.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good point, Natalie.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good point. So with all of that, back to the tricks. First, try to make sure you’re just asking for what you need and you’re not just saying, well, I want every email that ever was sent between the state and the state. Narrow your focus. So this is the city of Lakewood. Somebody needs to do a CORA on their payroll. I have the specific list of all the things that you wanted in those columns in the spreadsheets. Happy to share it with people if they want to do a payroll request in their county or their city. Ask, how many DEI employees you’ve got that are doing what? I’ve got these little templates that people can use. And I’m not going to claim to be like attempting to like lead up this whole thing. Please trust me on that. I have way too many other things to do. But I’m glad to help when I can and I appreciate help. for things I’m trying to accomplish. So Quora Club, it’s becoming more common, people helping one another submit Quora so that we’re not paying hundreds of dollars for public information. Because what’s really disturbing, really, really disturbing, frustrating, you can’t even, I will try, you know we’re on the air so I can’t use certain words, but it’s really frustrating when you go and you pay 100 or 200 or 300 or $1,000 for public records and what they send back to you has a bunch of black ink over it because they redacted it. That is totally frustrating.
SPEAKER 08 :
That doesn’t seem right. That doesn’t seem transparent.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, no, and they’re giving legal advice and I’m trying to figure out what did the lawyer tell? I mean, how did they completely destroy democracy because they were trying to hide what’s in a ballot issue? And then they black out what the lawyer said. So again, going back to try to avoid paying one penny, not even one penny, because God only knows what you’re going to get back. And to pay $400 and you get this all blacked out email. And that’s, come on, that’s horrible.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so Natalie, if people want more information or want to become part of the Quora Club, that email is coloradoengaged at gmail.com. We’re going to continue this discussion with Natalie Minton, and it is so important that we do so. We get two because of our sponsors, and one of those is Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. I had mentioned in the last hour that on January 23rd, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers will be hosting a a legislative kickoff event at the Colorado Automobile Dealers Association. Tickets are $10. They will be going on sale this weekend, and we would love to have you join us. Another competing event, the Center for American Values in Pueblo, and that website is AmericanValueCenter.org. We’ll be having an On Values presentation as well. We’re going to be getting more details on that as well. So it’s going to be um great evening i’ve tried to be in two places at the same time never successfully but those are two great things to do and again that website is americanvaluecenter.org we have natalie minton on the line she is really an advocate for you the citizen she has probably saved each of us thousands of dollars with uh all that she has done And she’s a real protector of TABOR, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. She served on the RTD board as a director. We’re talking about CORA requests. I’ve got some text messages that I want to get over to you and ask you about. But let’s button up CORA. What else should people know? This has really been great information. I think people still might be a little scared. They’re like, ah, what if I put in a CORA request and I come back with this big price tag? And I think people might be a little reticent to try a core request. That shouldn’t stop them, right?
SPEAKER 16 :
That should not. So let’s say you’re asking for two months of emails. They come back, say that’s $500. You say, okay, I want these few days. Start there. Go from there. Find a buddy if you need to. You can revise your core. You’re not locked into that. They will demand the payment before they even process it. So don’t worry about that. Put your CORAs in. It’s our government. They always say, the government says, we want more people involved. Okay, well, that’s getting involved. So don’t be worried about it. Try it out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So next thing, this is coming in from one of our listeners, Holly. She said this, it is my understanding that Jefferson County voted to give Tabor up. And she said her guess is the public had no idea what they were voting for or they would not have voted that way. I think she’s right. But Natalie, you were on this. And actually, I think it was what Ian Silvestri, who’s the husband of Congresswoman Brittany Patterson, his consulting firm got a pretty cushy contract to talk and being paid for by the taxpayers to talk people into voting to give up Tabor, right? Am I connecting that dot correctly?
SPEAKER 16 :
You are. He was a consultant hired to frame the ballot question, do the polling, find out the key words that the voters would be persuaded by. End of the day, the county’s stole the election because they did not inform voters what they were voting on. And voters were misled very clearly. In any election, there should be, where it’s a Tabor question, there should be a fiscal note that tells you what it is, what the dollar amount. They did not have that. So But there was an example of CORA. I knew because I was following the county government, listening to their study sessions, which is where you go, you really want to know what’s going on. You go to the study session. By the time it gets to the board meeting, 90% of the conversation already occurred. So it’s kind of, you know, that’s tough. It’s keeping up with government. But the CORA is what I had to submit to get Silveri’s juicy contract for and find the details of what he was tasked to do, which included finding donors, finding the stakeholders. So there was an example of where the CORA was necessary, and I had to do multiple ones. And there’s more I need. I need Ian’s email exchanges between him and the county manager. That’s where I could use some CORA helpers on that. So, yes, to answer that question, we voted to give up one of the CAPs. We still have a big chunk of Tabor left, so let me be clear about that. So what’s the next question you’ve got, if I answered that one all right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. This listener once said, I really hope that Natalie will run for office again in 2026. Jefferson County needs her.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, there’s a lot of governments where I would be very, very good elected. representative to fight for taxpayers. Thank you to whoever said that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And the next question, how can we demand to have an audit of every county in the state of all the money coming in and going out? The government closed 16 schools and they’re saying they still don’t have enough money. Did they lay those employees off? Are they still paying them? Did they relocate them? So there’s a lot in that question.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right, so my big answer, best answer on that one is in every elected body in Colorado, we need an elected auditor. Some people may realize the city and county of Denver has an elected auditor. We don’t have an elected auditor in Lakewood. We don’t have an elected auditor in Jeffco. We don’t have an elected auditor in Dougco, in Arapahoe, et cetera. Some things that will help us on a fundamental basis, a foundational basis. One, every government needs to publish its check register online. That will help us sort out a lot of things without having to do a CORA. We need our published finances online. I’m not talking about the budget. I’m talking about the check register, which includes purchasing cards. Two, we need elected auditors, people who will respond to us, the people. Again, going back to the lawyers that we pay for in government agencies, they’re there to protect the body of the government, not us. An elected auditor will represent us. I mean, can you imagine? I mean, that’s one of the jobs I would love to have, elected auditor. I would be Rip Warren, five star. But those are the kind of things we need to win the government. Like Jeffco Schools, it just closed yesterday. 17, 18 schools. Where is the money going for these? And that’s where the government, we just need more transparency in government overall. And an elected auditor would help us with that. Now, how are we going to get an elected auditor? Through the petition process. That’s a whole other episode. Because All of the very best things in law, honestly, that I can think of, like the top five, were things that were put in by citizen initiative or open records. CORA, that wasn’t the government saying, hey, we’re going to create a law where you can ask us for records. No, that took a citizen initiative to put it into place. The same with elected auditor. We would have to do it by citizen power. We’re tired of you saying, oh, you have an annual audit. That annual audit is a bunch of fluff. It’s just making sure things are in the right column and this and that, but it doesn’t actually say, are you spending money properly? Why do we have four DEI employees full-time, and then you make a claim you can’t hire a sheriff’s deputy? Come on, that’s baloney.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, Natalie, one of the things that I would really like to know is how much federal money, grants, each governmental entity is receiving. Is there an easy way to find that out?
SPEAKER 16 :
Is there an easy way? No. It takes a little bit of work. So that’s where narrowing it. Let’s say it’s – oh, jeez. I mean, the bigger the government body you get, the more grants are going to be there. I mean, the Fed says, good God, I hope the presidential administration closes down some of this junk money floating around because it’s all borrowed money. I’ve done those. And it intermingles. Let me just say this. When I talked about CORA versus FOIA, that’s where you have an overlap now. because in one case I didn’t get the info from I forget what the thing was RTD maybe I could not get the info locally so I just had to go to the feds and say hey doing a FOIA and I want to know all the grants that came into this agency and they usually have like an identity code or something and you say I want it all for this specific body and it took like I think that one took like six weeks or eight weeks it was a while but I got what I wanted
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s awesome. And then we’ve got a question that just came in and there’s not going to be time to answer it, but it’s probably a whole nother show. It says, how can a county or municipality vote to ignore a state amendment? And that’s a really good question. And we don’t have time to really answer that, Natalie, but maybe give us 30 seconds.
SPEAKER 16 :
I would need a lot more specifics on that as to ignore what amendment.
SPEAKER 07 :
Tabor, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that still would probably need some more. We’d have to drill down into some more details to really answer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, we will get you back on the show. Natalie Minton, thank you. Thank you for the thousands of dollars that you’ve saved each and every one of us. I so appreciate it.
SPEAKER 16 :
well you’re welcome i’m glad to do it and and i hope people uh first one thing i don’t want to forget is i do a lot of videos on free state colorado that’s free state colorado if people go to free state colorado the website freestatecolorado.com i do a lot of videos with brandon work We do those on YouTube as a podcast. And I do a lot of training, not only like Cora, but property tax. It’s great.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s great stuff. And Natalie, we’re out of time. The quote for the end of the show is from Sun Tzu. It says it’s more important to outthink your enemy than to outfight him. And so, my friends, remember, you’re not alone. God bless you and God bless America.
SPEAKER 09 :
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