In this episode, we revisit a poignant interview with Colonel Bill Rutledge on the legacy of John Heisman, connecting the historical significance with today’s climate surrounding college football. Additionally, Kim sheds light on Colorado’s recent educational controversies and their implications for parental rights, all while proposing the critical question of where the balance lies between freedom and control. Join us to learn, reflect, and engage with ideas that shape our world.
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We actually, in this first hour, are going to play something that we recorded last year right around this time with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force. He’s 95 years young. And Alan Thomas was in studio and stayed in for the interview as well because it’s about John Heisman, and the Heisman Trophy will be awarded this Saturday to a college football player. Colonel Rutledge said, you know, it’s important that we know about this guy. And so we had recorded this last year, and we thought, well, let’s just go ahead and dust that off. And so we will be broadcasting that here in the first hour. Second hour, Natalie Minton, who is with the Tabor Foundation, and Brandon Wark, who is the founder of Free State Colorado, really keep an eye on what is happening regarding taxes here. here in colorado and so i wanted to talk with them and get their read on this recent colorado special session which uh ostensibly was to reduce our massive property tax increases but all kinds of other stuff actually happened and so we’ll chat with them about that. And so you won’t want to miss that. And of course, Karen Levine, great sponsor of the show, will get an update regarding real estate here in Colorado as well. Thank you to Laramie Energy and Karis Oil and Gas for their sponsorship of the show. And also Hooters Restaurants is a great sponsor of the show as well. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. and lunch specials Monday through Friday. And Wednesdays are Wings Day. Buy 20 wings. Get an additional 10 for free. That’s for to-go or to dine in. And how I got to know them, it’s such an important story as we see what’s happening in our country. regarding overreaching government, PBIs, and their agendas. And that’s why this story is so important. And it’s a story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs who are trying to exert power way beyond their control. And so you don’t want to Don’t want to miss that. Today is, oh, let’s get, well, it’s all related. Our word of the day, let’s get over to it, is infamy. And this day, as FDR said, will live on in infamy because this is the day that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, Oahu, Hawaii. And that was December 7th, 1941. And so the word infamy, it’s spelled I-N-F-A-M-Y, and it is a noun. And it said it could be a very bad reputation or notoriety as achieved infamy as the central figure in the scandal. The condition of being infamous or disgrace, a name that will live in infamy, and an evil or criminal act that is publicly known. And again, FDR the next day gave his famous, it’s called his infamy speech that December 7th, 1941 will live on in infamy. So again, this was the attack on Pearl Harbor. and wanted to give you a little more history on that in just a moment. I went to Chester W. Nimitz for our quote of the day. He was born in 1885. He died in 1966. He was a fleet admiral in the United States Navy, and he played a major role in the naval history of World War II as commander-in-chief for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and commander-in-chief for the Pacific Ocean areas, commanding Allied air, land, and sea forces during World War II. And he said the U.S.’ ‘s major strength factor and weapon is its economy. If you cripple it, you cripple the military. And I thought, this is so appropriate for what we see is happening right now in 2023 America and our world. With the big meeting for the COP28 that is meeting in Dubai right now, 80,000 people are there. And they will be pushed out as acolytes to push this agenda of basically will be crippling the United States economy. And Western Europe has already been a little bit busy doing that. But just think about that. Eighty thousand acolytes. You put Bloomberg’s money behind that. You put all this big money, government money that goes to all these different colleges and universities for research projects to many times. The research actually gets to the predetermined. explanation on whatever the issue it is. And we see that actually what this is going to do is to cripple the U.S. economy. And here you have Chester Nimitz that says our great strength is and our weapon is our economy. And of course, we do see what’s happening with our military as well as recruitment numbers are at pretty close to record lows, if not record lows. And so we see over here trying to cripple the economy. Our military is being weakened because of public policy. And one has to ask, ask what is going on? But I let’s see what let’s just do these two quick headlines. And then I will I want to go back to Pearl Harbor. But John Kerry, he, let’s see, this was December 5th from Fox Business. John Kerry pledges to slash emissions from air conditioning units and refrigerators to fight climate change. And he is, his current title is U.S. Special Envoy for Climate. And he made this commitment at the COP28, which is the annual United Nations Climate Change Summit. And then back in 2015, I had never heard this, but this was also, there was a lot of different news sources that you could find this. And I pulled this from the Free Beacon that Kerry says air conditioners, again, when was this? Let me get to the date, hopefully. July 22, 2016. John Kerry says air conditioners are as big a threat as ISIS. So when John Kerry talks about climate change and that things are going to get warmer, well, they actually are for Americans. Because air conditioning was something, once it became prevalent, the U.S. economy became even more efficient because in the warmer states, we could actually work better. During the day when it was was hot because of air conditioning. And so it became we became more effective and also more comfortable. And you’re going to see from a regulation standpoint, John Kerry coming after our air conditioners. I was speaking yesterday with someone I would say who’s more apolitical. And my friend said, now that’s where I’m going to use the Second Amendment. If they come after my air conditioner, I’m going to say no. And he said, I’ll give up my TV before I will give up my air conditioner. But we do have John Kerry coming after your air conditioner. And so again, yes, it is going to get warmer, but I don’t think it’s because of man-made climate change. Well, I guess this would be man-made climate change as well because this is a policy thing. So anyway, that’s what he’s saying over in Dubai right now, and I’m pretty sure… He didn’t get there by boat, and even if he got there by boat, it would not have been sailboat. It would have been boats and planes that are fueled by oil and gas. And, of course, the boats and planes and all that have all kinds of products from derivatives from petroleum as well. But many of you I know know the history of Pearl Harbor, but I just wanted to make sure that we talked about it again. And it was 1941, and many people do not know that immediately… The Japanese were also attacking the Philippines. And so anyway, it says the this is from history.com says the attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise. But Japan and the United States have been edging toward war for decades. The United States was particularly unhappy with Japan’s increasingly belligerent attitude toward China. and the Japanese government believed that the only way to solve its economic and demographic problems was to expand into its neighbor’s territory and take over its import market. To this end, Japan declared war on China in 1937, resulting in the Nanking Massacre and other atrocities. American officials responded to this aggression with a battery of economic sanctions and trade embargoes, and they reasoned that without access to money and goods, especially essential supplies like oil, Japan would have to rein in its expansionism. Instead, the sanctions made the Japanese more determined to stand their ground, and during months of negotiations between Tokyo and Washington, D.C., neither side would budge. It seemed the war was all but inevitable. So Pearl Harbor is located near the center of the Pacific Ocean, roughly about 2,000 miles from the U.S. mainland and about 4,000 miles from Japan. And no one really believed that the Japanese would start a war with an attack on the distant islands of Hawaii. Additionally, American intelligence officials were confident that any Japanese attack would take place in one of the relatively nearby European colonies in the South Pacific, for example, the Dutch East Indies, Singapore, or Indochina. Because American military leaders were not expecting attacks so close to the home, the naval facilities at Pearl Harbor were relatively undefended. Almost the entire Pacific fleet was moored around Ford Island in the harbor, and hundreds of airplanes were squeezed onto adjacent airfields. And to the Japanese, Pearl Harbor was an irresistibly easy target. And the Japanese plan was simple, destroy the Pacific fleet. That way the Americans would not be able to fight back as Japan’s armed forces spread across the South Pacific. So on December 7th, after months of planning and practice, the Japanese launched their attack. And about 8 a.m., the Japanese planes filled the sky over Pearl Harbor. Bombs and bullets rained onto the vessels moored below. At 8.10 a.m., an 1,800-pound bomb smashed through the deck of the battleship of USS Arizona and landed in her forward munition magazine. The ship exploded and sank with more than 1,000 men trapped inside. Next, torpedoes pierced the shell of the battleship of the USS Oklahoma, and with 400 sailors aboard, the Oklahoma lost her balance, rolled onto her side, and slipped underwater. And actually, on the Oklahoma is where a cousin of my father’s, my father was on the Oklahoma and died there. And actually, we, gosh, within the last couple of years, the Navy died. had identified his remains, and his remains were brought back to Mound City, Missouri, and buried there. And many of my cousins and I were there for that. And it’s a good moment now to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. And one of the great things that they’re doing as they’re raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial is you can buy a brick to honor your loved one’s military service. And that will be on one of the pathways of service. But you’ll get a beautiful certificate, which is a lovely gift here as we’re in Hanukkah season and Christmas season. And I actually purchased a brick for my father to honor his military service. And he just passed on last week. But I’d given him that as a gift. It was one of the best gifts I’d ever given him. And then I also purchased a brick to honor my father’s cousin who died on the Oklahoma. But continuing on. Oh, again, to get more information, go to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. That is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And it says less than two hours, the surprise attack was over, and every battleship in Pearl Harbor, the Arizona, Oklahoma, California, West Virginia, Utah, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Nevada had sustained significant damage. But even though the attack crippled or destroyed nearly 20 American ships and more than 300 airplanes, dry docks and airfields were likewise destroyed. More importantly, more than 2,000 people died, about 2,400. But the Japanese had failed to cripple the Pacific Fleet. By the 1940s, battleships were no longer the most important naval vessel. Aircraft carriers were. And as it happened, all of the Pacific Fleet’s carriers were away from the base on December 7. Some had returned to the mainland, and others were delivering planes to troops on Midway and Wake Islands. Moreover, the Pearl Harbor assault had left the base’s most vital onshore facilities, the oil storage depots, the repair shop shipyards, and submarine docks intact. As a result, the U.S. Navy was able to rebound relatively quickly from the attack. So again, December 7th, 1941 is a day, as FDR said, that will live on in infamy. And so I wanted to bring us up to our history regarding that. Let’s see just a couple of other things. This is pretty unbelievable, and this is all over the news. that right here from, again, can you believe it? When I say Colorado is at the tip of the spear, I’m not kidding. And this was reported in many different news entities, but this is from Fox News where I pulled this headline. It says, Dad felt helpless as daughter hid in bathroom after being forced to share a bed with a boy, with a biological male. And it says Christian parents from Colorado have complained that their 11-year-old daughter’s school district allegedly forced her to share a bed with a biological male on an overnight trip. The dad told Fox News Digital in an interview that he felt helpless to protect his daughter from the situation. says the parents joe and serena wales said they discovered that jefferson county public schools assigned their daughter to share a room with a boy who identifies as a girl without not notifying them or informing their daughter the christian legal group alliance defending freedom sent a demand letter to jcps on behalf of the colorado parents alleging that its policy of hiding information from parents and lying to students is unconstitutional And it was a bit of a shock. It was a helpless feeling, said Joe Wales. Here I am. She was calling me and texting me from the bathroom because she didn’t want the other kids to overhear what she was saying. So it’s a pretty helpless feeling when your daughter is hiding in the bathroom. She’s trying to convey a message to you. Eleven years old, remember, my friends, and you’re 2,000 miles away. And the mom happened to have been on a trip and was able to intervene in the situation. You wonder where actually where were the teachers on this. And again, when I talk about us being at the tip of the spear here in Colorado, we truly, truly are. I did want to mention also the Center for American Values. Another great gift is their great little quote book, and it’s quotes from many of our Medal of Honor recipients. And I would highly recommend a trip down to the Center for American Values. There are portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients. is so inspiring. And so I would recommend that you check that out as well. The Center for American Values is nonpolitical and it’s nonpartisan. It’s honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and creating these great educational programs that will help continue to instill in us these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism and provide these educational resources so that we can teach those things to our children as well. And I guess going back to this Jefferson County thing, it’s important that we as parents, community members, grandparents understand exactly what is going on. That’s why also check out artclubmovie.com. That’s Art Club Movie. That is the story of Erin Lee, John Lee, and their family. And again, we need to refer to those that are being referred to as transgender as boys or men that are wanting to dress up as women. or be women, but they are biological males. They are males, boys, and men. We need to refer to them as such. And again, I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy, Karis Oil and Gas for their gold sponsorship of the show, and also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. 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Okay, let’s change gears here. We have Colonel Bill Rutledge on, retired United States Air Force, and he’s become a great friend, and he’s an amazing researcher, and so many life experiences. Colonel Rutledge, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim.
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Okay, Colonel Rutledge, let’s just jump right in here. You had mentioned John Heisman to me, and you said he was a classic Renaissance man. And tomorrow evening at the Downtown Athletic Club in Manhattan, the Heisman Trophy will be awarded. And this is one of the greatest honors for a college football player. But you said John Heisman was a remarkable man. So tell us a little bit about him, Colonel Rutledge.
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Well, John Heisman, first of all, he was born with, he was the first of three, well, he was one of three brothers. And his parents both were immigrants from Germany. And they came over just before the Civil War. And he was born in 1869 in Cleveland. And his father was a barrel maker. And because of that, they moved to Titusville, Pennsylvania. And the reason for their move was in 1859, the first oil well in the world was drilled in Titusville, Pennsylvania. And his father was a barrel maker. So he went there to help work in that field. And he really formed a company and expanded and became very prosperous. He had customers like… John Rockefeller and a few others that we have come to know in the investment field. So he was very successful. But the son, John, John was, first of all, he was very smart. He was not only was he intellectual, but he was very gregarious. He was a great orator. He was an excellent writer. He did so many things as he was growing up. He also loved sports. And at the time, he and his brothers played what became American football, but really it was more like rugby in England. We went through transitions. Rugby started in England in the 1820s, but rugby was a transition from soccer. So it went soccer to rugby and then later to American football. So he was a person… in the transitional period, so that some of the features of rugby were there, but also some of the features which we see today. So he was an innovator, and he was very successful in high school, and when he was finishing, he finished number two in his class academically, and he gave one of the two addresses at graduation, and he knew he was going on to college, And his father wanted him to become a lawyer. And so their first choice for school was that he should go to Brown University, which he did. And he went to Brown for two years. And Brown did not have a football team, so he played in a club sport. And after two years, he decided to make the transfer to the University of Pennsylvania that had a good law school. So he went to the University of Pennsylvania and became a student and decided to play on their football team. Now, he was like about 150 pounds, but he actually played center on the football team. In those days, the coach, if they had a coach, because it was very amateurish, they would invite students to come out and play football. And so it was open to anyone, but he loved the sport. So This got him into the academic community, and there was so much to follow on. So I need for you to be inquisitive about where he went from there, because there are a lot of things about him.
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Well, it’s very fascinating, and you sent over some notes regarding this, and you said that he was nearly blinded. So what happened there?
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Yes. Well, when he was a senior… They played a game in Madison Square Garden. And the Madison Square Garden in that era, they had a dirt floor. And they also had some of the pioneer electric lighting. And it was not as good as today. And what happened was that they lowered some of their lights to work on them. And then with all this dirt and these rays from the lights and things, In this game that they were playing, by the time the game was over, he could hardly see. And for several days thereafter, there was a concern that he might even go blind. But nevertheless, his vision was severely obstructed. Now, he still had another semester to go to finish up his academic program. So what he did, he couldn’t read his law books. So he had a roommate that would read in the evening, would read the lessons to him. And then he would recite those in class. Well, he wasn’t able to take a written exam. So what he did, he persuaded his professors that he should be given permission to answer all the questions orally. And this is what they did. It was a complete change from normal procedure. But nevertheless, he was able to graduate and get his degree because he went in for oral presentation like you do for applying for a Ph.D. in college where you do the writtens and the orals. And he was a unique man. He was that smart and well-received by his professors. So he finished, got his degree.
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Absolutely fascinating. So, Colonel Rutledge, let’s go to break. We’re talking about John Heisman, for whom the Heisman Trophy is named. And, Colonel Rutledge, when you and I were talking in preparation for this, you said that there was a Heisman Trophy winner, what, back in the 60s or 70s, that said he didn’t know anything about John Heisman, but he had received the trophy, right?
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Well, that’s true. But he was speaking really for probably many of the people who had received it before him. and some that received it later. Just because you get a trophy and it’s got a person’s name on it, that doesn’t mean you know anything about him. So he brought up the logical question. And as I read the book that was written by John Eichmann’s nephew, it became apparent that this was a very comprehensive band with many talents, and it’s very unfortunate that the recipients of the award At that time, we’re not knowledgeable. Now, more people know more about it. They’ve had a couple of books written about him. But nevertheless, I would say that tomorrow evening, the vast majority of those who are going to be at the award dinner won’t know anything much about John Eichmann.
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That’s why they should listen to the Kim Munson Show, Colonel Rutledge.
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That’s correct.
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Okay, we’re going to go to break. On the line with us is Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, and in studio is Alan Thomas. We’ve got producer Luke behind the boards. We’ll be right back.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. I’m Kim Munson. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter there. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And our listener, Wade, I know that he, I think he worked the graveyard shift and he called in with a great question in the first hour. Hopefully, if he’s still available, we’d love to have you call in at about 747-748. That’s 303-477-748. 5600. And Alan Thomas, your excellent essay, The Moral Gaslighting of America, we’ll roll that out in the newsletter this weekend. And Alan, we have on the line with us Lieutenant Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 94 years old. And he’s a man with so much intellectual curiosity that I learned so much from him. Did you know this about John Heisman, Alan?
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You know, I didn’t. And I’m a huge college football fan, you know, Boomer Sooner. And, you know, it’s absolutely right. I know more about our Heisman winners here in the past couple of years than I knew about John Heisman. So this has been excellent learning all of this about this remarkable man.
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And with that Colonel Rutledge, John Heisman, he has passed out of law school, but he has this love for football. So what happens after that, Colonel Rutledge?
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Well, John, since he couldn’t see very good, and he’d just gotten his degree, he still loved football, and he was trying to find a summer job, and it became apparent that He might have problems even practicing law because he still was having problems reading. So he saw an advertisement at Oberlin.
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Whoops, I think we lost him, Luke. I think you’ll need to try to get him back. It was sounding like we were having some challenges there. So I’m going to give a little bit of information while we’re getting Colonel Rutledge back on the line. In his notes that he sent over, he said that he learned that Oberlin needed a football coach. And it was no salary, little budget for equipment, and that would be for the 1892-93 year. Can you believe that? Man. And so it looks like he probably was hired as the football coach there. And then he had a number of different colleges that he was the coach at. And in my research, he was a football coach, I think, for over 37 years at a variety of different schools. But that was back when they didn’t have the equipment that they have these days, Alan.
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Right, yeah, before innovation took over. But, you know, that just… That story is so amazing just to pursue your passions. Right. And, you know, sometimes God throws a curveball at you and you need to change your entire career choice because of one event. But I mean, what a what a remarkable story.
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Well, and following our passion, that’s one thing they say to kids. But you need to make sure that you also are able to fund your passions, not with other people’s money. So if you can’t make a living with your passion, it may have to be your hobby until you get to it. get to that point. Okay, we’ve got Colonel Rutledge back on the line. So Colonel Rutledge, John Heisman, and I mentioned this, is at Oberlin as a football coach, no salary, little budget for equipment. That was 1892-93. What happens after that?
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Well, after that, he had an opportunity to move to a school that was nearby that actually had a little budget, and they were going to employ him. So he did. And When he moved, he moved over, and he started coaching. Now he’s 23 years old. And he meets a young lady there named Edith Cole. So he and Edith become engaged, and everything looks fine. But Edith is diagnosed with tuberculosis. So Edith refused to marry because she was afraid that she would not survive. So she moved to Denver. And he was so upset that he decided to leave Buck Cowell, which was a small school in Ohio. And so he went south, and he found a job at Auburn. So he coached at Auburn for a few years. Then he moved over to Clemson, and he was at Clemson for a few years. While he was at Clemson, he would play Georgia Tech. Well, he would beat Georgia Tech. So Georgia Tech decided the best solution was is that we will hire him from Clemson and he will become our coach. So he became the coach at Georgia Tech for the next 17 years. And while he was at Georgia Tech, he won a national championship. And they set an all-time record in 1916. They played Cumberland College from Tennessee. They had played them in baseball and Cumberland had beat Georgia Tech. So Heisman was very anxious to set the record straight, so he played him in football, and he set an all-time record, which still stands. Georgia Tech, 222 points to nothing for Cumberland. Ouch. So this was not… One of the funny things happened. During the game, it was, say, late in the fourth quarter, the coach looked around and he saw a man sitting on his bench, and he He was in a uniform, but it wasn’t from Georgia Tech. It was from Cumberland. And he talked to the young man. He said, what are you doing here? And he said, well, if I go back over there, they’re going to put me back in the game. And he said, I’m going to get hurt. And so the coach said, okay, you sit on our bench and just put this towel over your head. And he did, and he stayed there the rest of the game. So it was one of those humorous situations. But while he was at Georgia Tech, he also had the opportunity to meet Bobby Jones. Now, for your sports fans, they know that Bobby Jones is one of the all-time greats. He was a graduate of Georgia Tech, so he loved the sport of football also. So they got to know one another, and Bobby Jones decided to teach Heisman how to play golf. So it’s phenomenal that you had a man who later became the number one golfer in the world teaching Heisman how to play golf. And he actually bought the first set of golf clubs for Heisman when they were both in Atlanta. And so in those days, coaches didn’t make enough money to survive during the whole year. So Heisman also was an actor He was a producer, a director. So each summer, he would be very active in the theater. And he met a lady that was also an actress. And they were married and were married for a few years. But after he’d been at Tech for a long time, and she was very busy and he was busy, there was a mutual agreement that they would be separated. So they were. And they became divorced. And she wanted to stay in Atlanta. So because of this, he decided to go back to his original source. And he went back to the University of Pennsylvania. And he was coaching there. And while he was there, one day they were having practice. And somebody was yelling out in the opposite area. And it was bothering. It was interrupting things. So Heisman went over to see who it was. It was a young lady, and she was giving him a hard time. As he got closer, he saw it was Edith Cole, the lady that he had thought had died from tuberculosis 20 years ago. And we keep getting an interruption here. Nevertheless, within a few months, he and Edith again renewed their love affair, and they were married. And they lived the rest of his life as a married couple. So after they were married and he was at Tech for so many years, he decided to make some other changes. So he actually went to other schools. He coached at two or three other schools along the way. And he also wrote a lot. While he was at Georgia Tech, he wrote for the Atlanta Constitution and also for the Atlanta Journal. And this was part of his contract. So after 37 years, and he’s now about 60 years old, he decided he wanted to go to New York and just write. So he went to New York City, and he wrote for Collier’s Magazine and Liberty Magazine. And there was an opening. A new position was established by the downtown… Athletic Club, and they wanted to have an athletic director. So he applied for the job, and one of the strongest recommendations was a letter from Bobby Jones, Bobby Jones’ father. So he got the job, and in 1934, the club decided they wanted to give an award for the most outstanding young man in college football. Heisman originally opposed this. He said, there are so many fine players. I just don’t see how we could do this. So they discussed it on and off for several months. Finally, they agreed they would make an award, and the first award would be made in December of 1935. So they did. Now, it was not called a Heisman Trophy then. It was just going to be the Downtown Athletic Club Trophy. So they did. They had the award. The first person who got it was a young man named Jay Berwanger from the University of Chicago. He was a running back, extremely fine. So the award was presented. Then during the next year, now we’re talking about 1936, in the fall, Heisman went out to play golf, and he had a cough. And his friend said, you need to go see the doctor. So he did. And it turned out he had pneumonia. And in those days, there were no antibiotics. Nothing really much could be done. So he went home, and his wife was treating and doing the best she could. But the long and the short of it was that in early October, he died from pneumonia. And this is 1936. Right after he had died. the members of the downtown athletic club conferred and they said, we need to change our trophy. We need to name it for George Heisman.
SPEAKER 19 :
Or John Heisman.
SPEAKER 09 :
John Heisman. And they did. So the next award made in December of that year was the Heisman Trophy. And they called it the Heisman Memorial Trophy at the time. They later just dropped the term Memorial Trophy. But that was how it came about. And one of the ironies of this whole thing was ironic. In 1930, when Bobby Jones wrote that recommendation for him, that was the year when Bobby Jones won all of the four major tournaments, the U.S. Amateur, the U.S. Open, the British Amateur, and the British Open. And the other correlation between them was that the Heisman Trophy came to be the most sought-after trophy ever. in the world of sports in america and the masters tournament in golf is the most coveted championship in the world of golf and the connection between him is george heisman and bobby jones because bobby jones in nineteen thirty four built the more more built the golf course at augusta gradually changed the name within the next two years to the masters It is now everyone thinks that the golf professional season starts the first week in April in Augusta, Georgia. And it doesn’t.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, my gosh. This has just been fascinating, Colonel Rutledge. Thank you so much for reaching out and talking about this. I greatly appreciate it. And the other thing you said, I mean, these two remarkable athletes, but the innovations of John Heisman were the lateral pass, the forward pass, scoreboard, standardized field, hike, safer uniform equipment, numbers on jerseys, game quarters, transition of the shape of the football from rugby. My gosh, what an innovator. Colonel Rutledge, thank you so much for sharing this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Listen, it’s been fun doing it because I had read a book of Heisman years ago. But this book that I more recently read was written by his nephew who had access to all of Heisman’s records and all of his writings. And he was a prolific writer so that he included so much in here. it is very difficult well we could not conceivably covered in a short time all of his accomplishments and what he contributed to the sport because he was an innovator and we know about other people in football and we know about Pop Warner and Alamus Alonzo Stagg Walter Camp and Newt Rockne of course which was a great coach at Notre Dame but he was a peer with these people a contemporary. They were all in the same era. And actually, it was my good fortune at one time to go to the University of Chicago and see Stagg Field. And there was another small thing. Right there at Stagg Field is where they first cracked the first atom right under the bleachers where the football team used to play. So there are a lot of spinoffs on some of these people.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, fascinating, Colonel Rutledge. And you will be on here again very soon, and we’re going to be talking about the Battle of Wake Island. So, Colonel Rutledge, thank you so much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, thank you. It’s always a pleasure.
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And have a great day. So we’re going to go to break. And when we come back, I would love to hear from you. I’m hoping we hear back from Wade, one of our listeners, 303-477-5600. Ellen Thomas is in the studio. I want to give a shout-out to the USMC Memorial Foundation. They are working to raise money to remodel the Marine Memorial out at 6th and Colfax. My friends, it’s important to know these stories, to remember these stories, and to honor these stories. And you can help them by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We will be right back.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. We are live now. Joe and I, Joe and I have been working together for 14 months, and he has been able to read my mind every day for 14 months. But yesterday, we actually had three other recordings, a lot of things going on, and we got our wires crossed. So what happened was we just went in to broadcast the interview with Colonel Rutledge yesterday. And so we got a little wonky on that, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I don’t know what happened. For the first time, there’s a first time for everything, I guess.
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Well, you normally read my mind, but a great interview with Colonel Rutledge. And he is so excited about this Travis Hunter, who is a CU Buff graduate. And he is the favorite to win the Heisman Trophy. So this is from Sports Illustrated. And it says, Colorado Buffalo star Travis Hunter is one of the favorites to capture the Heisman Trophy when it’s awarded this Saturday, December 14th. Hunter has made a name for himself in the college game as one of the most versatile players the sport has seen in decades. Hunter is not only one of the top wide receivers in the country, but he’s one of the top cornerbacks in the sport as well. His excellence on both sides of the football has him very high on NFL draft boards heading into next April, where he is projected to be a top five pick. The soon-to-be two-time All-American was just named the Big 12 Conference Player of the Year after catching 92 passes for 1,152 yards and 14 touchdowns as a wide receiver while also totaling 21 total tackles on defense and four interceptions. Hunter isn’t sure where he would be without his head coach, Deion Sanders, who recruited him to play at Jackson State as a five-star prospect before transferring to Colorado once Sanders made the jump to the FBS. He says, when I first talked to him, I was like, I don’t care who he is. I don’t want to go there. Hunter said of Sanders recruiting him to Jackson State on the pivot. But as I talked to him more, it was like, oh, this might be the place I want to go. He’s more than just a coach. He’s a father, Hunter said. Then Hunter said he had one message for Sanders before their final game together in the Alamo Bowl against BYU on December 28th. He says, I don’t know where I would be. I try not to think too much about it or on it because it’s our last. We have one more game and it’s going to be our last together. It gets you kind of emotional because it changed my life forever. I texted him after one game a couple of games ago and said, Coach, you changed my life forever. This is quite the story right here at CU. This is exciting, Producer Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s really exciting. One of my favorite things about the Heisman Trophy is it’s not just about your skills, it’s also about your attributes as a person and how much you help in the community and be successful.
SPEAKER 19 :
interactive with the community okay i didn’t realize that component of it since since we ended up getting a little wonky on things i’ll give you the quote of the day from john heisman he said this he said don’t cuss don’t argue with the officials and don’t lose the game I love that. And so Colonel Rutledge, he is just a treasure. And he’s 96 years young, still curious about so many different things. And he’ll call and he’ll say, Kim, I think your listeners might want to hear more. You know, fill in the blank. So a little bit later this morning, we will be recording a show for Christmas week regarding the Boston Tea Party. And in fact, it’ll be more than just the Boston Tea Party. Again, a whole bunch of great information. And the fact that he shares this with all of us, I think it makes us all more informed and better. Joe?
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree. And I mean, he definitely proves this. Seek for knowledge never ends. It doesn’t matter how old you get. You keep seeking the knowledge and you keep moving.
SPEAKER 19 :
And so he said this, yes, absolutely. So this is so exciting regarding Travis Hunter. And ideally, we would have liked to have broadcast this on Friday right before the awards on Saturday. But the way the schedule was working, it ended up this was the open place that we had to do that. So that is how this whole thing worked out. And he is – it’s a really special story. And we haven’t had a Heisman – Award winner, I think, since Byron White, I think, which is a long time here from Colorado. So this is a really big deal.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m not sure either. I’m actually not that well informed with Colorado football. I’m from Oklahoma. OU is where I’ve always had my knowledge.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, it’s going to be very exciting. And again, the award will be this Saturday. And Travis Hunter from University of Colorado is a favorite to win this. He, as Colonel Rutledge has said, he is one of the most versatile players that we have seen in many, many years. So pretty darn exciting. And so stay tuned on all of that. The second hour, we’ll be talking with Trent Luce. And I wanted to talk with him about this Next land grab that we had talked with Josh Lowenstein about earlier in the week, about, I think, over 19 million acres, I think, for the Canadian links. And so on the way out, the Biden administration is spending monies and getting it over to cronies and trying to do land grabs. It’s really a kind of a dangerous time right now for America, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep. So stay tuned. And our quote for the end of this show, I went to John Heisman for this. And he said, when you find your opponent’s weak spot, hammer it. And so today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And the girls are coming over tonight. So you know what that means, Joe. It’s Wings Day Wednesday at Hooters restaurants. So we’ll be having some Hooters wings tonight when the girls come over, Joe.
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I so enjoy Hooters wings. They are so good.
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It is one of their specialties. And so Wings Day Wednesday means you buy 20 wings. You get an additional, excuse me, 10 for free. And that’s for to go or to dine in. And Hooters has five locations. That’s Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. In fact, Bob Boswell. CEO of Laramie Energy will be our featured guest tomorrow. But it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources from natural gas, coal, and oil that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. That industry is under regulatory attack and also legislative attack here in Colorado. And what that means is that connecting the dots is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams is under attack. So that’s the dot to connect on that. That’s why we need to continue to speak truth into that. And that’s why the documentary A Climate Conversation is so important. It is the project of Walt Johnson. You can watch it for free at a climate conversation dot com. And we are doing these amazing podcast series with experts and scientists. And so be sure and check that out so that you’re really informed on those issues. In the first hour, we had rebroadcast an interview with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, regarding John Heisman. So our quote of the day is from John Heisman. And he was born in 1869. He died in 1936. And he was a player and coach of American football, baseball, and basketball, as well as a sports writer and actor. He served as the head football coach at Oberlin College, Buctell College, which is now known as the University of Akron, Auburn University, Clemson University, Georgia Tech University. the University of Pennsylvania, Washington and Jefferson College, and Rice University, compiling a career college football record of 186 and then 70 and 18. And this is his quote. He says, don’t cuss, don’t argue with the officials, and don’t lose the game. And so that is John Heisman. This day in history, several things that were super interesting. In 1620, the Mayflower Pilgrims come ashore in Plymouth Bay, traditionally thought to be at Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts. In the Civil War in 1862, the Battle of Fredericksburg in Virginia begins between Robert E. Lee’s Confederate Army of Northern Virginia and the Union Army of the Potomac, commanded by Major General Ambrose Burnside. I thought this was a super interesting weather event back in 1905 before we were doing all these things that are supposed to be contributing to man-made climate change, and it used to be global warming. But in 1905, 120 degrees Fahrenheit was the South American record, which was recorded in Rivadavia, there we go, Argentina. 1936, Edward VIII, the British king, announces in a radio broadcast that he is abdicating the British throne to marry Wallis Simpson. Then in 1941, I pulled four things because December 7th, 1941, was when Pearl Harbor was bombed. But I think a lot of people don’t realize that the Japanese then were on their way to try to take over everything in the South Pacific. So let’s see, today is the 11th. So this would be four days later, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. 1941, the Axis powers of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy declare war against the United States. Just think, everything was changing so fast for Americans. 1941, the Dutch government in London declares war on Italy. 1941, 1941, on this day, the Japanese attack Wake Island, which was their only failed World War II landing. And in 1941, the Japanese occupy Guam. So the world was upside down, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it’s kind of funny to think America was like, don’t step in, don’t step in for a while. And then when we were hit at Pearl Harbor, it was like, okay, now we have to do something. So We’re not trying to control everything until it means something.
SPEAKER 19 :
Interesting. I had a friend, Russ, that sent an article over that actually FDR and many of the higher-ups… allegedly knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed. And so they were saying that we want to stay out, but yet they knew that if something like that happened, it would draw us into war. And I’m getting cynical enough now as I’ve watched things all these years that I think that’s very plausible.
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree. I think it is plausible, but I think it’s kind of like a self-defense mentality. You know the punch is going to happen. You’re just still waiting for it to happen, so you can defend it twofold.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, so super interesting. So all that was happening in 1941. 1961, just 20 years later, President John F. Kennedy provides U.S. military helicopters and crews to South Vietnam. So that whole thing’s ramping up. Then 1971, the Libertarian Party in the United States is founded. I don’t know. I guess I kind of thought it had been around for much longer than that. And then this is yesterday. We did not get to this day in history, but apparently there were fires in California yesterday. And at the time, Governor Jerry Brown said, this is the new normal. No, it doesn’t have to be the new normal. But so in 2017, six wildfires in Southern California covered an area larger than New York City and Boston combined. And this is the narrative from the left, is that these fires, we don’t manage our forests, we don’t manage the brush, we don’t We’re not managing our forest well, and so you have all this dead brush and all of the leaves and needles and things that have fallen to the forest floor. And then when the fires start, or even in the prairie, when the fires start, they’re more intense, they’re bigger, and it’s because we’re not managing things, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re absolutely right. And then you double on that, the water problem. So they have water coming from different areas, but they could totally take the millions of dollars they get for this problem and fund it for desalinization and make it possible.
SPEAKER 19 :
California has a whole bunch of water on their western seaboard. So, yes, I agree with you. So I love the fact that you’re a young Colonel Rutledge. You have this curiosity. And so you’ve got a long way to go between now and 96 years old, though, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just hope I’ll have as much information as that man does by that time.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I’m so grateful that he shares it with all of us. Some of the headlines. This is super interesting. And let’s see, I pulled this now. I thought I had the title. This is from Fox News. It says, “…protesters attempt to stop removal of hundreds of migrants from public-funded housing.” There’s that key word, public funded housing. That means that that is money taken from everyday hardworking Americans to do this. So it says activists and several elected officials gathered outside New York Governor Kathy Hochul’s office in the capital in Albany on Monday to protest the closure of two hotels housing several hundred migrants in the state’s capital region. New York City has a right to shelter law requiring the city to provide shelter for anyone who asks for it and has no other options. Protest organizers said they were advocating for Hochul to intervene to prevent the migrants’ eviction and provide new state funding to shelter the migrants. Speaking during the protest, Angelica Perez Delgado, president of the pro-migrant nonprofit, there you go, there’s your NGO, said, And I bet you, dollars to donuts, that they probably received money to make all this happen. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
I bet you. And then I think the higher-ups receive extra money in that whole mix. So some money has to be missing from them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, many times they’re paid very well. Paid very well. Yeah. Hmm. I’m thinking, oh, gosh, I should do some research on this. I do like to follow the money. But anyway, I’ll finish this. It says she said this. Our need right now is to ensure that people in our hotels are not evicted. We need leadership and money from Governor Hochul right now to fund at least six months of housing and related services. Hmm. Hmm. OK. And then another thing we just need to mention here. This is from Breitbart and it says Colorado Democrats are celebrating a new law that will go into effect on January 1 that will extend free Medicaid coverage to illegal migrants who are pregnant as well as migrant children. And it says, dubbed Cover All Coloradans, the program opens up state Medicaid funding for prenatal and postpartum care, physical, dental, vision, and mental health care for children with an initial price tag of $51 million in cost to the Colorado taxpayer, according to CBS News.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hmm. Yet it’s hard for the U.S. citizen to try and get into that system. And I looked into it because I didn’t get paid very well at one point, and so I needed some way to help myself. And there are so many hoops and ladders to go through to just try and make it happen for a U.S. citizen. Why does the illegal immigrant get it?
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Hi, Kim. A couple of things came to my mind when you brought up the veteran. I attended and said a few words about the All-American Beef Battalion at the Cross Diamond Cattle Company sale this week in Bertrand, Nebraska. And Scott and Kim Ford own that Red Angus operation. And each year for the last 10 years, they’ve donated the proceeds from… Lot 21 bull. And 100% of the proceeds go to the All-American Beef Battalion, which has been a fantastic endeavor since 2008. And that bull brought $15,000 this year. And it’s just anything we can do to find a way to say thank you. And the All-American Beef Battalion, what do they do with the money? Since April of 2008, we have fed nearly 500,000. I’m told now that the number is over 450,000. troops upon deployment or return from deployment, wherever that may be, a ribeye stage. And it’s been the most humbling endeavor of my life. And that’s where I met retired Force Sergeant Jimmy Williams, United States Marine Corps, who when I told him, I said, thank you for your service. He turned to me and he said, boy, don’t give me lip service. If you really want to say thank you, then exercise the right that these men here have protected for you. Wow. That was the day I said, we don’t just talk about showing thanks. We find a way to show thanks.
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Yes. Man, I totally agree. And it is because of our military that you and I have this opportunity to talk about these important issues, freedom of speech. There are those that are trying to shut down freedom of speech, but we will continue to speak truth on this, Trent Luce, because ideas are so powerful, and that’s why we need to talk about them. So property rights is inherent in the American idea, the idea that everyday people can own property and they can take risks, they can reap the benefits and the rewards, and also responsible for the risks they take as well. But my gosh, the land grabs by the Oh, Biden-Harris administration on their way out is mind-boggling. And I got a text from Gammy, who was listening to your show that broadcast before my show in the morning, and you were talking with Lee Brown. We had her on last week about, first of all, a land grab with this Hurricane Helene victims in North Carolina. So what’s your read on that?
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Well, I can’t get enough Lee Brown all of a sudden. I’ve had her on two times on a row route and on trail on the loose in the last three weeks. And she, you know, what is so amazing about Lee Brown and you described her so well, she’s boots on the ground. And Lee and I talked about a couple of things. There’s so many non-governmental organizations that come to a place and a natural disaster and whatever the case may be, and bill for the public for profit by pretending to be part of the solution. And we got to cut through that. People got to do their homework and know who they’re funding. And Lee Brown started Patriot Relief Fund, and it’s absolutely making a difference. And what she’s coming up with in terms of the land and how that whole hurricane came about, we’re now more than three months away from that happening, Kim. And there are people that are still living in tents. There are people that have watched their loved ones and all of their things float down the mountain. And I’m just so happy to be a friend of Lee Brown’s and somebody who’s a champion for standing up for human rights. That’s what it’s about. And that doesn’t even include what she’s talking about with the land that’s being taken away from the people. We first got to take care of the people. Then we worry about the land.
SPEAKER 19 :
So how did you get to know Lee?
SPEAKER 10 :
She called me.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, that’ll do it. I got to know her because she and Karen Levine, and Karen Levine is a sponsor of the show, and they were on like the National Board of Realtors together. And Karen said, you need to get her on. So we had had her on several years ago, and then Karen had… She guest-hosted for me, and she had Leon, and then I had Leon last week, or a week or so ago, to talk about this as well. But my understanding is that the government is offering just pennies. on the value of the land if people want to rebuild, but if they decide to move or let government do what they want with the land, then they receive more money. At least that’s what I think I heard her say. Did she say that to you? Is that your understanding?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, but in all honesty, Lee and I are on the same page that the government is only part of the problem. They’re never going to be part of the solution. So it’s better off if they take their pennies and go somewhere else and plant somebody else’s sandbox because we’ve got real work to do in an area where people’s lives are at risk. And that’s the moral of that story.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Okay. Well, let’s talk about another one. And I sent you this information over and we talked with Josh Lowenstein about this earlier in the week. And this is a significant amount of land that they’re wanting to designate as lynx habitat, which encompasses several different states. What’s your thoughts about that?
SPEAKER 10 :
This is the biggest land grab that I’ve been a part of in 20 years. And it seems like every time we turn around, and you mentioned that this Biden-Harris administration, it’s really nothing new, Kim. This has been taking place, but now it’s coming to everybody’s backyard. I’ll reference my friend Hank Vogler from White Pine County, Nevada. He has been fighting the Bureau of Land Management and Fish and Wildlife Department And I’m going to use a Nevada experience because it explains what is happening and Josh is dealing with in Colorado because we know that the lynx are on the endangered list anyway, which means all they have to do is determine that a certain area is critical habitat for whatever that endangered animal or plant is. And then you as a human being, it doesn’t matter. Your property rights are gone. So the sage-grouse… was the target by the Fish and Wildlife in trying to get them listed, particularly in Nevada, as an endangered species. And so they came out, they did study after study, and I can find you all this documentation, be happy to share it with you. And after three years of threatening to put the sage-grouse on the endangered species list, the Fish and Wildlife actually came out and said, well, it’s clear that the science says that we cannot officially list even as a threatened species, the sage-grouse. But what we’re going to do to prevent that from happening, we are going to designate critical habitat areas for these sage-grouse just so that they don’t become threatened.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 10 :
And so what they did was identify land that they did not want anybody to use, and that was potential critical habitat and removed the other uses of that. And that has been taking place for as long as I’ve been working on it, which is 20 years, where you continue to have pieces of land. And oh, by the way, Hank Vogler, a rancher, cannot use part of his allotment, which is a vested right that he has tied to a water right. But it doesn’t impact if they want to put a solar panel, which they are doing at this moment in the same area that they told the ranchers they can’t use, or obviously you couldn’t log it either. or have any resource utilization, but we can go out there and destroy it with the industrial solar complex, and that’s okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
Boy, we are in a time right now. And Trent Luce, as the Biden-Harris administration is on their way out, I think this is a real dangerous time in a variety of different things. There’s spending all this money and sending it to their cronies. It looks like they’re trying to get World War III going and they’re doing this huge land grab. And so we are, we need to be paying attention and we need to be working on this. We’ll continue the discussion with Trent Luce. And it’s such important discussions for us to understand what is going on with all of this, my friends. And one of the industries, I talk all the time about Laramie Energy and thank them for their goal sponsorship of this show. It’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. But who is the real entrepreneur that we all think of as freedom? Well, it’s the cowboy or the cattleman. And that whole industry is under attack as well. And And beef is such a great protein source for your diet. And I tell you, some of the best beef that there is out there is Lavaca meat. And I’m pleased to have them as a sponsor. And right now, as you’re thinking about shopping, and you need to get this going now because Christmas is right around the corner, you can send a great gift box from Lavaca Meat Company to your friends or family or employees, and they will love you for that. Again, Lavaca Meat Company.
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SPEAKER 19 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. On the line with me is sixth-generation farmer and rancher Trent Luce. And Trent, it looks like the Biden-Harris administration is – Biden said it’s going to be a smooth transition from his administration to Trump’s administration. But what I see from a policy standpoint, spending all kinds of money that we don’t have – getting it over to cronies, land grabs, looks like trying to start World War III. Very dangerous time right now, I think, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and you know that I believe that the whole thing is scripted and that it’s all just falling in according to plan. But there’s part of this that is, in my mind, worthy of noting. Because I think I mentioned to you last week, you know, across the pond, I have guests on every day from, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, and Canada. And this week, Councilor Ingrid once again joined me from New South Wales and Australia, and she reminded us that if you own land in New South Wales and you want to go out and gather firewood, you have to get a permit to gather your own firewood on your own property. And so while we want to blame Biden and this debacle that’s been a disaster of the presidency for all of these problems, it’s just part of the big global plan which comes directly from the United Nations. You know, I talk so much about 30 by 30, which was Executive Order 18004 signed by Joe Biden on the first week in office, January 27th, 2021. And Well, that wasn’t, yeah, 2021, first week. And you know what is really interesting about our discussion and the timing of this? Kim Munson, I’m going to put you on the spot. And you feel free to put me on the spot anytime you like, you know. It’s your show, right? Uh-huh. Oh, wait, Wednesdays, it’s our show. What happened on December the 12th of 1946 that is instrumental in what we’re talking about here today?
SPEAKER 19 :
The U.N. was created? Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
You are spot on. You got that one.
SPEAKER 19 :
We didn’t set that up either, did we?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no, we did not. The Rockefeller Foundation, the Rockefeller family donated six blocks of Manhattan property that would then become the United Nations headquarters. And that property at the time was $8.5 million worth of land in 1946, December the 12th. What’s today? December 11th. So it’s the anniversary tomorrow. Here’s another little odd bit of trivia. What was that land that the Rockefellers donated previously in Manhattan before the Rockefellers acquired it?
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Meatpacking District of Manhattan. And if you have not read the history of the meatpacking world in New York City prior to 1900, it’s fascinating. I’ve spent quite a bit of time just reading about it. And there were 80 active butcher shops and different meat processing facilities in the meatpacking district of New York. And they waned over time, obviously. But how symbolic to me as a livestock producer, sixth generation livestock producer in this country, that the Rockefellers donate an area that was previously a meatpacking area of Manhattan, New York, when then ultimately the United Nations is ushering in all of these new world agendas to eliminate meat from our diet.
SPEAKER 19 :
You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about this over our conversations. And… And I know this will seem somewhat tin-hat, although I think that we’ve talked about this over the years with the medical industry, pharmaceutical industry, saying that don’t eat as many eggs because you’re going to get cholesterol or have higher cholesterol. And don’t drink whole milk. and make sure you have your fruits and vegetables, which is good, but almost putting that above your protein sources. I’m thinking that all of that’s connected in maybe not having us as strong as we could be if we had protein in our diets and whole milk. What do you think? Am I crazy?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, there’s no crazy about that. I’ve spent 20 years trying to educate people But that’s exactly what’s taking place. And there’s a psychiatrist, Dr. Georgia Ede, who has all of the data and science behind if you do not consume animal protein and animal fat. Even our cattle organization, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, who administers our checkoff and our research and our promotion, they still promote with my checkoff dollar. lean beef. There is no science that says that lean beef is beneficial. You must consume the right balance in monounsaturated and saturated fat in order to live healthy, particularly from a mental health standpoint. So you’re not tinfoil in any way, shape, or form. I can get you all of the science you want to verify. This has been a concerted effort to not only weaken us from an immune standpoint and a strength standpoint, Most importantly, the items that we’re talking about here that have been removed from our diet, including eggs, a great study just this week that reminded me that choline is instrumental and pregnant mothers must have the right level of choline while they’re during gestation carrying that baby or their baby is going to suffer from an IQ standpoint. Guess what food item has the highest level of choline? It’s eggs. And all of these meat items have the micronutrients and the proper fats to feed the brain, and they’ve demonized them so that they can dumb down America.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and hold on. I think that Colorado’s cage-free— Egg policy is going into effect at the beginning of 2025. I think I saw a headline on that. So I think we’ll probably see the costs go up here in Colorado on eggs very possibly.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, thank you. That is absolutely true. In fact, in the past three weeks, we now have egg prices in California, the first state to go cage-free. We now have egg prices in California at retail at $9 between wholesale prices, $7.75. And they are point blank saying this is because we have moved to a cage-free environment. Chickens are not as healthy. Chickens have a pecking order that when you put them in large groups, you cause more mortality. You do not have as healthy of a chicken. The best way to take care of a chicken, which, by the way, Kim Munson, is what brought you and I together so many years ago, is how do you house a chicken? You house a chicken to protect the chicken from a predator, protect the chicken from the weather, and protect the chicken from another chicken. And when you put it in a cage, you do all of that, and you make these food items available at a reasonable cost. You will see $9 to $10 per dozen eggs in the state of Colorado very soon.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, next question is a cage-free chicken laying eggs, it makes it more labor-intensive to gather those eggs, yes?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, the chickens still come to a common area, and they can, depending on the facility’s My friends, the Hickmans, who have a presence in Colorado, but they’re from Arizona, they have a very sophisticated egg gathering system where the chickens still come and nest and they lay their eggs in an area where they’re, but in the rest of the day, they’re trying to protect themselves and hiding from the bully chickens.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, there’s bully chickens. Well, I thought that they were tolerant chickens.
SPEAKER 10 :
How many times have you in your life talked about pecking order?
SPEAKER 04 :
What’s the pecking order?
SPEAKER 10 :
Where did the term pecking order come from? The chicken flock, because the bully chickens are beating up and killing and eating, because they’re cannibals, the other chickens.
SPEAKER 19 :
I did not know that. So, OK, here we go. This is from this was October 28th, 2024 from the Department of Agriculture. It says starting January 1, 2025, all eggs sold in Colorado must be from a cage free facility. All egg producers in Colorado housing more than 3000 egg laying hens. will need to comply with the requirements of a cage-free facility as defined in the amended cage-free egg rule. Additionally, all egg and egg products for sale in Colorado will need to show they are compliant by including COCOM organic or cage-free on their label. It says farmers all over the country who produce eggs sold in Colorado have been preparing to comply with these new cage free requirements since 2020, said Julie Mizak, Colorado Egg Program Manager. As I’m looking at just reading this, look at all the force words there. It’s must and comply requirements. Let’s see. Compliant requirements. Gosh, there’s all kinds of force words on this. And people should be able to have the freedom to choose a cage-free egg product or not. But when you have all these force words there, when you have to force something, you don’t have to force something that’s a good idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree 100%. And the day is coming very quick that you will not care what the force words are. You will simply want the power pack nutrition that you can get from an affordable egg.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely. And before we go to break, just think about this young family, that they’re getting squeezed with government-induced inflation, higher property taxes, higher taxes, energy costs to heat their home, to drive their car. And now they will be squeezed even more as they go to the grocery store regarding their eggs. And this is all because of government and public policy. And we’ve got to get this turned around because we’re headed towards food shortages if we don’t get this whole thing turned around. And it is important to have these discussions, and we have them because of our sponsors and a very important book called that will be highlighted through December here, and there will be a national push next week, is Swift Sword.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. Text line is 720-605-0647. That’s 720-605-0647. And we’ll address some of these text messages. We’ve got Trent Luth, sixth generation farmer and rancher on the line as well. But first one, I had mentioned FDR. A friend of mine sent over an article that said FDR was probably aware that that Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed. And our listener said FDR was a fan of Mussolini from Italy at first. I didn’t know that. I’ve not sourced that. But the person that did text me that pretty well knows what he’s talking about. Another listener said that they heard the math yesterday that each Lynx, regarding this protecting the Lynx habitat, they would get 33,000 acres. And it says, and we only give illegal aliens a small hotel room. Hmm. Where’s the humanity? This is a good question, and I’m going to ask Trent this. It says, who in our government has this final authority to be offering pennies on the dollar for these land grabs? So, Trent Luce, do you happen to know who’s making those particular decisions?
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know who’s making those decisions. I know the offers are coming through FEMA.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
It seems like FEMA has an open checkbook. I did want to weigh in because I do happen to know that on the FDR situation and the knowledge of Pearl Harbor, it’s pretty widely known that he knew that the attack was coming. They maybe didn’t know when. But it’s also very well documented that the ships that were at the harbor that day were the oldest and the least effective ships. The three main aircraft carriers that we relied on were all out on maneuvers at the time and not at Pearl Harbor. which doesn’t speak well for somebody that knows they’re coming to attack our troops and they allow it to happen.
SPEAKER 19 :
I know, and I do this day in history, and two days before or three days before the attack upon Pearl Harbor, it said this day in history the aircraft carriers and some of the destroyers, I think, moved out to the ocean. I thought, huh, that is pretty darn curious, right? And the other thing is, is the USS Oklahoma went down quickly. It turned over and, in fact, Colonel Rutledge, we had talked about it, he said that for days they could hear tapping from guys that were trapped. in the USS Oklahoma, but they couldn’t get it turned over. They couldn’t save them. And my father’s cousin died on the USS Oklahoma. And just a few years ago, his remains were identified. He was buried at the Punchbowl in Hawaii, and his remains were identified. And we brought Wilbur home, and he was buried in Mountain City, Missouri. So very, very curious. Let’s see here. Next thing, the Biden administration actually thinks they can gaslight the American people into believing it’s going to be a smooth transition. I think, Lynn, our listeners right on that. We’ve got somebody on the line. You said David. Is that right? Producer Joe David, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 06 :
Kim, I listened to Trent and you discuss all these issues every Wednesday. I guess my question to Trent is, with his vast knowledge and experience, does he have the ear of anybody in this administration coming in that we may be able to turn around these whole, I mean, all the issues you’ve been talking about, land grabs and water and CO2 pipes and everything. Does he have any friendly ears in Washington that he can kind of bend their ear to get some of these things corrected?
SPEAKER 19 :
Great question. Trent.
SPEAKER 10 :
So in a previous Trump administration and prior to the election itself, I was asked and served on the Trump Ag Advisory Committee, which did afford me the ear for many people, including the Secretary of Agriculture. I was the very first interview that Sonny Perdue conducted as Secretary of Agriculture in the Trump administration. And many personal friends, longtime friends, In fact, let me just go one step further just to let you know. When the Trump appointments finished in the first administration, there were 12 people that I had possession of their cell phone numbers and were close friends before they were named to the Trump administration. And so my point in all of that is that he really reached out and he tapped hands-on people to be a part of what, and those were all mostly in the USDA. One was in the United Trade Representative Authority, that’s Greg Dowd, who did the negotiation with China for the phase two agreement in the trade negotiations. And many of my close friends were also not appointed, but part of the Trump transition team from Barack Obama to Donald Trump. That friend who headed up that transition team in 2016 is also in charge of 2024. And he called me two weeks ago and Kim, for the benefit of KLZ, I cannot say what my friend called and told me as I answered the phone because it would result in a fine and Kim and I being done on the air. And he was responding. He was actually just telling me that I’d been right. and that nobody with hands-on experience is being tapped to go into this administration that Trump has assembled in 2024. And he said, if this continues, I’m out of here because it’s headed in the way of Pearl Harbor. He didn’t use those words. I’m just tying it into the conversation of the day. With that said, Bobby Kennedy had joined me on the air several times. I had a conversation with Vivek Ramaswamy when he was campaigning. Both of those, from a CO2 pipeline standpoint, were very much adamantly against it. In fact, Bobby recently, and I helped shape that, did a documentary, a little video I should call a documentary, a very well-done video about the danger of the CO2 pipeline. But neither one of those two guys have responded to me since. Bobby announced that he was no longer running for president and that he is going to just be a part of the Trump team. They both have ghosted me since that point in time. So I think you can see why I have no faith in this transition of being more about we the people than we’ve been for the last four years.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hmm. Okay, David, I guess that’s an answer to your question. We’ve got to stay on this, though. We’ve got to continue to shed light on this. David, anything else?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, we just need to put pressure on our elected individuals and the Republicans that have gone there just to— You know, stay on point and get these things done. It’s our only alternative.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely. I think you’re absolutely correct. So thank you, David. Quickly, we had a listener that emailed me regarding that they disagree with you, Trent Luce, regarding, it says… And he says that, hold on here, he said, check out David Bloom, author of Alcohol is a Gas, a multi-degreed bio-expert, completely disagrees with sixth generation, a farmer and rancher, and says that this Bloom has actual scientific proof that Roundup is a very bad thing that ruins soil and makes wealthy fools wealthier. We don’t have a lot of time on that. What’s your answer to that, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 10 :
The reason that I’m not anti-glyphosate is because it reduces tillage and we must control pests and we cannot increase tillage because we don’t want to use a herbicide that has been effective without displaying any harmful effects whatsoever. I do not have any data that says that it destroys the health of the soil. We must maintain the integrity of the soil And the most catastrophic event to soil, ask my grandfather, who was born in 1918, who tilled the soil till it was so fine. And that’s what led to the Dust Bowl. It’s minimum tillage and better use of minimal amounts of chemicals that have allowed us to increase our soil health and reduce the amount of tillage that’s taking place. If you can’t reduce tillage, you’re not going to improve soil health.
SPEAKER 19 :
And also, without pesticides and herbicides, your yields go down if you don’t have those two things, which means you feed less people, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. And just a case in point, my grandfather planted corn, and then he would have to cultivate the corn in both directions. So he would eliminate half of the stalks that he planted just to control the weeds. You have to have an appreciation for not only weed control, but insect control and pests that attack these crops. We have achieved all of this abundance through technology and the implementation of technology while improving soil health. whatever we can do to maintain and continue to improve soil health and add organic matter to the soil is what we must do.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. And thank you, Trent. And thank you, James, for your email as well, because we want to talk about these things. So I really do appreciate that. Trent Luce, we’ve got 30 seconds left. Your final thoughts you want to leave with our listeners this week?
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m just going to leave the same thoughts. And in fact, I think it was David that called in. I want to echo his sentiments. You never stop being loud. We have a Bill of Rights in the first one says the right to speech. The answer to the question is grassroots America shouts at the top of their lungs saying we will not accept this anymore. We want control back and we’re taking it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, and engaging in that battle of ideas to make that happen. Trent Luce, thank you so much. We’ll talk to you next week. Thanks, Kim. And John Heisman said this. He said, when you find your opponent’s weak spot, hammer it. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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