In a heart-wrenching segment, we learn about Lexi, an 18-year-old whose life tragically ended due to complications from a medical procedure. This episode not only highlights systemic issues in current healthcare practices but also reflects upon broader societal values and challenges. To further this discussion, Kim and former State Senator Kevin Lundberg explore legislative measures and the importance of community engagement in policymaking.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And we’ve got another great show planned.
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This agenda by the World Economic Forum, this is in great conflict right now. These globalist elites and their agenda. which is playing, they’ve used the United Nations, Colorado State Legislature, counties and municipalities are pushing it as well. This Colorado governor, land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, and the list has gone on and on and on regarding taking people’s property. But that’s why we are in this great battle of ideas right now. We are in the third founding, I’m convinced, of our country. And that’s why we are engaged in this battle of ideas that is raging at this time. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ 560 platforms. which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And apparently you can say, listen to KLZ Alexa, and we come in strong and clear on that as well. So lots of different places to find us. And thank you to Laramie Energy. for their goal sponsorship of the show we are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom and so i thank laramie energy for their goal sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable efficient affordable and abundant energy that powers our lives fuels our hopes and dreams and empowers us to change our own personal climate Last night was, we normally meet on the second Monday of each month, but I was traveling and had offered a online version to the whole team on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And they said, wait, we like to typically meet in person, although we do have our online option. And so we met last night for our March Colorado Union of Taxpayer meeting. And we’ve got something really exciting that is going to, I think I’ll announce it sometime this week. I’m just going to tease that, but you’re going to love it. And we’re an all-volunteer organization. And so we’d really appreciate your support, your membership. And that way you’ll get first look at the email that we send out to legislators and the governor. We try to get that on Mondays. with positions on legislation that is proposed for the week. And this group, when you see them at the grocery store, at a meeting, say thank you to them. This is the board, and they’re all volunteers. Again, we’ve been doing this since 1976. Not all of us at the organization. And that is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onezorg, Paula Beard and Ray Beard and I thank each and every one of them for their dedication to volunteering to stand up for the taxpayer of Colorado and you know what that is every one of us Our word of the day is cursory. It’s C-U-R-S-O-R-Y. Eric always likes me to spell the word, and so this will be your challenge to use this in a sentence today. So the first definition could be performed with haste and scant attention to detail. Number two, running about, not stationary. Or number three, characterized by haste, hastily or superficially performed, slight, careless. And so it could be such as a cursory glance at someone as you’re walking by. So it’s C-U-R-S-O-R-Y. And our quote of the day is from Samuel Adams. And he was born in 1722. He died in 1803. He was an American statesman. political philosopher, and founding father of the United States. He was a politician in colonial Massachusetts, a leader of the movement that became the American Revolution, a signatory of the Declaration of Independence, and other founding documents. He was one of the architects and principles of American republicanism that shaped the political culture of the United States. He was second cousin to his fellow founding father, President John Adams, and he founded the Sons of Liberty. And he said this, the liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution are worth defending against all hazards, and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. And that is Samuel Adams. Our bill of the day is Senate Bill 25-181. And this is concerning the continuation of the Just Transition Advisory Committee and in connection therewith implementing the recommendation contained in the 2024 sunset report by the Department of Regulatory Agencies. And the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is a strong no on this. And Wendy Warner, who is on the board, she had explained to us that there is a way to get to all of these sunset bills, if I’m understanding it correctly. And just how, or not sunset bills, these bills that should be sunset. And understanding if they’ve been effective, how much they’ve cost. And what I have seen, this has really been a strategy where if politicians, the bureaucrats, and interested parties want to try to push forward an agenda, they will present an advisory committee with a sunset. And people are saying, well, gosh, okay, I think it’s okay to look at it. Now, many times they’ll put money behind it. and they’ll put a sunset on it. And the people, we think, okay, that’s a great idea. It’s got a sunset on it. But then when it’s coming up for many times, this sunset review is we are seeing that they’re wanting to make these committees or these advisory committees, their sunsets either 10 years out into the future or that they will not, their sunset date would be indefinite, which is not really a sunset date. So on this, again, this is Senate bill. 181, this Just Transition Advisory Committee. And just, whenever you see that word, be careful as well. And this is our commentary on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. Cup members unanimously oppose this bill. The bill continues the Just Transition Advisory Committee in the Department of Labor and Employment, CDLE, indefinitely. It is currently set to sunset on September 1, 2025. The purpose of this committee is to alleviate the effects of the coal-related facilities closures on local communities. Take a look at the western slope up in Route County and Moffett County. CDLE operates a website on the program. Neither it nor the bill summary seem to be able to point to more than one example of a person finding new employment from the program. But this committee has managed to push out a lot of taxpayer money. The unstated purpose of the committee was to support forcing Colorado into 100% intermittent energy sources by 2040. This committee is ultimately just a salve for the conscience of those throwing hundreds of employees out of work. We said sunset this useless committee. We are a strong no on that. And that is the quality of work that you will see. when you join the colorado union of taxpayers that website is coloradotaxpayer.org that’s coloradotaxpayer.org regarding headlines probably one of the big ones is this whole thing with hamas and israel and the united states coming in with attacks to um on hamas as well i i know that we all watch this my hope is that we get to peace ukraine and russia And over in the Middle East, it’s a tall order. But this headline, Israel launches new strikes against Hamas and promises increasing military force. Next thing, we talked last week. Now I can’t remember which guest it was. I think it might have been Wade Miller with the Center for Renewing America. I’m not sure. But we were talking about these tariffs regarding Canada. And Ontario had threatened that they were going to withhold electricity to some of the northern states because of Trump’s tariffs. And Canada… needs us, we need them as well, but they need us a lot more than we need them. And so this is from, hold on here, this is from Bloomberg. It says, Canada is limited in matching further U.S. tariffs, Carney says. And it says Canada can only go so far in responding to new import taxes imposed by U.S. President Donald Trump, given the mismatch in size between the economies, Prime Minister Mark Carney said. There is a limit to matching these tariffs dollar for dollar, given the fact that our economy is a tenth the size of the United States. I think Trump knew that. He said Canada’s responsible to pin what Trump decides to do on April 2nd. The U.S. president has repeatedly promised to roll out reciprocal tariffs, get that reciprocal tariffs. That means they’re already tariffing us by that date on countries that have existing tariffs on U.S. goods. He has also threatened additional levies on sectors such as autos, pharmaceuticals, and semiconductors. When Trump first threatened to cross the board 25% tariffs on Canada, then Prime Minister Justin Trudeau outlined potential retaliation on about $108 billion worth of U.S. goods. Trudeau’s government went on to target about $60 billion Canadian. in U.S. imports in response to Trump’s actions. Carney, who replaced Trudeau as prime minister on Friday, suggested it will be difficult for Canada to go beyond the remaining $95 billion in Canadian dollars on the list. He said those items were chosen because they have maximum impact on the United States and limited but not zero impact in Canada. So that is super interesting to watch the art of the deal. Next thing, is this not crazyville? That we had an attorney, or excuse me, a judge. This is from The Guardian, which typically leans left. It says, and this is their headline, White House’s defense for not recalling deportations is one heck of a stretch, says a judge. Interesting. And it says the Trump administration claimed to a federal judge on Monday that it did not recall deportation flights of hundreds of suspected Venezuelan gang members over the weekend, despite his specific instructions, because that was not expressly included in the formal written order issued afterwards. The administration also said that even if James Boasberg, the chief U.S. district judge in Washington, and included that instruction in his formal order, his authority to compel the planes to return disappeared the moment the planes entered international airspace. And let’s see, one other headline here. Anyway, this judge is truly an activist judge. Can you believe this, that we’ve got a judge that says, bring them back, bring back those Venezuelan gang members to the United States? What planet are we on? And this is from The Hill. Stephen Miller with the Trump administration said that the court has no authority in deportation of alleged Venezuelan gang members. And this is pretty remarkable. So stay tuned on these activist judges trying to thwart the common sense things that the Trump administration is attempting to do. And we get to have these discussions because of our sponsors. And one of those is Hooters Restaurants. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Tuesday, and during this legislative session, we try to get Kevin Lundberg on each week on Tuesday to talk about what’s happening down at the legislature and in Colorado. You know him. He is a former Colorado state senator. He’s the author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at KevinLundberg.com. Kevin, welcome to the show.
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Well, thank you. It’s great being with you, as always.
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Well, and so much is happening. But I wanted to start with one of the stories that is in your Lundberg report. And this is something that just breaks my heart. And as I was recording the promo for tomorrow, I had gotten into the first part. sometimes we have to take several takes and producer joe said oh my gosh my blood is already boiling and that is regarding what happened with lexi up in fort collins so set this up for us well this is something that a gentleman in loveland he he’s a real advocate for
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life. And he sent this article to me that he had put together, which is based on the testimony given in a hearing on a bill in the legislature this year that would require that abortion clinics be regulated, be like a surgical center. The Department of Health comes in and says, are you holding this to high you know, medical standards, and they don’t. And the example he gave was of the abortion clinic, the Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in Fort Collins, where recently a young girl, 18 years old, went in, had an abortion, and as a consequence of that medical procedure, which, you know, is always killing the child, we kind of ignore that detail far too often. But this young lady also died from that procedure. And it’s just not the first time I’ve heard of things like this going on at that particular abortion clinic. But it happens everywhere. And I ran the story. I gave the title, which was really what this gentleman said. CONSTRUCTED, WHICH IS ABORTION CLINIC, 18-YEAR-OLD ALEXI DIES FROM BACK ALLEY ABORTION BY PLANNED PARENTHOOD. YOU KNOW, THAT’S A TERM THEY USE ALL THE TIME, A BACK ALLEY ABORTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY KILLS THE CHILD, BUT INJURES OR KILLS THE MOTHER. AND THIS IS CERTAINLY A CASE IN POINT. AND IN THIS TESTIMONY, IT’S A medical doctor was alerted to this, and he came and gave more of the technical terms and explained it. And you’re right. Your heart just breaks over this that’s happening, and it’s an example of, unfortunately, what happens all the time. And the article also—now, let me explain this, too. In my newsletters, I try to keep things very concise and tight. And this is a lengthy article. So what I did is I moved the actual article to another page on my website. So you can read all about it there. You just click on the link and boom, you’re there. It even includes a picture of the young lady, which apparently was a part of her obituary. And you look at that really not much more than a child herself. and you realize what they’re doing far too often. And, you know, I highlight it because the legislature has, under the rule of the Democrat Party, has made abortion their number one goal, is they will encourage and promote abortion in every way. And there are several bills that are moving through the process right now that go further, and they’ve They’ve been doing this really when I was there. They were doing it to some degree. But in the last few years, it’s just been put on steroids. Well, I believe. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, and this is House Bill 25, 1252. The prime sponsor representative is Scott Bottoms, who really stands for life. He is also has put his hat in the ring as a candidate for governor. And this bill did die, I think, in committee. And you testified on this, correct?
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No, I did not. You did not. Okay. No, it was testimony that the gentleman who wrote the article, Lloyd Benz, he testified and he also quoted a medical doctor who testified as well. And so this is You know, this is a very well-documented evidence and information about this particular tragic, very tragic situation.
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So, Kevin Lundberg, several things regarding this issue. First of all, this battle of words that we have been involved in in America for so long. And as I was thinking about you being on the show and that we were going to talk about this, Planned Parenthood says that they are into reproductive health. But you look at this article, A, there’s nothing reproductive about it because they are killing the reproduction. And number two, there is nothing healthy about an 18-year-old girl dying. And I think that we as society… have to realize Lexi probably she found herself in a situation where she had an unplanned pregnancy and these young people have been taught indoctrinated through so many different organizations and in school beginning with Planned Parenthood in schools, that if you have an unplanned pregnancy, your opportunity, your lives, your dreams are over. And so here I got to think Lexi’s probably alone. She’s maybe embarrassed or doesn’t want to tell her family. And so she goes to this abortion clinic by herself probably. And to have this happen, remember in COVID, remember the whole thing about dying alone? I don’t know what exactly happened if they notified her family, but poor Lexi, 18 years old, she had her life ahead of us, ahead of her. Now, granted, having a child, it changes things a little bit she could give the baby up for adoption so many people are waiting for babies but she very possibly died alone kevin this this as as as um producer joe said as we’re recording this this makes my blood boil to think about this yeah well and if you read the story uh one of the things that mr bounce puts in is his um
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He says Lexi’s grandparents were called to the hospital.
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Yeah, but it was grandparents. And I thought there’s obviously some there’s no mention of her parents at all. And so I think the probability of this is pretty high. And the fact that they were not called, they were not there with her at the clinic. They were called to say she was taken to the hospital. And here’s another thing that happened in this particular case is they gave the transport to the hospital was what they call a silent siren. In other words, the ambulance doesn’t show up with the red lights and the siren running. No, it simply quietly pulls in and obviously doesn’t. doesn’t rush to the hospital. And this is probably because, you know, we’re speculating here, but pretty strong evidence that Planned Parenthood didn’t want people to see what was happening. And I’ve heard of this happening at that particular clinic before, where an ambulance shows up and somebody is put in there and that drives off without any noise at all. So, you know, as few people notice as possible. And You discover somebody died or, you know, just this whole situation, circumstance. And I promote this because, again, it’s not the first time I’ve run across this with this particular clinic. But if you go and you look at other examples across the country of how Planned Parenthood treats all of this, it’s a culture of death. It’s not reproductive health. care. It is a culture of death, and somehow it has become firmly established in Colorado law. I’m grateful to say that some states have come to their senses on this, and the Supreme Court, of course, threw out the Roe v. Wade requirement that states adhere to allowing abortions to a large degree. And so some states are stepping up and saying, no, we’re not going to do this anymore. But here in Colorado, it’s the exact opposite. And our legislature passes this by party line votes. You remember a couple of years ago that there was one abortion bill that the Republican caucus in the House argued the point for 24 hours on the floor. And I was actually down there on that Saturday morning when they finally came out, bleary-eyed, and they lost, you know, by a party-line vote again. These things are—I did the math on just—you know, I have good bills and bad bills that I list on my website. And it’s actually just been published by the Rocky Mountain Voice. an article where I looked it up and did the numbers, and so far in this session, let’s see, 76% of the good bills have been killed, and of those, 78% were dispatched with a party-line vote. This is a clear pattern, and the people of Colorado need to realize what’s happening in our legislature. This particular case for this particular bill to simply regulate abortion clinics, not stop them, but just say, if you’re going to do this, you need to. adhere to some standards that will at least protect the mother.
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You think? You think?
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Yeah, and it’s not happening. It’s not happening.
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Wow. And again, thank you to Scott Bottoms for bringing the bill forward, House Bill 25-1252, to at least get these people on record for where they are on that. We’re going to go to break. I’m talking with Kevin Lundberg. He is a former state senator, author of the Lundberg Report. And thank you for that clarification regarding Lexi’s parents getting to the hospital as she died from the complications from that abortion. And the thing about abortion is so many times these young women are alone as they’re going through that procedure. And this had to be heartbreaking for her grandparents personally. to see all this happen as well. So we’re going to go to break. We’ll be right back with Kevin Lundberg. All this happens because of our sponsors. If you’re going to buy a home or sell your home or look at a new build, you want Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We’re coming into Mother’s Day, Father’s Day. A great birthday gift would be to buy a brick to be on one of their pathways of service as they complete the remodel. You’ll get a beautiful certificate, which is a lovely gift. And so get that done, and you can get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Kevin Lundberg is on the line, former state senator, author of the Lundberg Report. Several things. First question, before we get to the next subject, is abortion in Colorado. Do I remember correctly that a 12-year-old can have an abortion in Colorado without their parents’ knowledge? Is that right?
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Well, that’s my understanding.
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It’s not right, but is that correct, I should say? Okay.
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Well, that’s my understanding as well. The reason I say that is there was a constitutional change made. It was actually referred to by the legislature, if I recall correctly on that one. But anyway, it passed this last year. And unfortunately… it just opened the floodgates for abortions at every level. There used to be, and I think it’s still on the books, but I’m not sure if it’s being enforced anymore because of this constitutional change that says there shall be nothing to impede an abortion. There used to be a, and you’re quite right that a medical procedure can be, well, I’m going to back off on the medical procedure. I know that a 12-year-old child can get their own mental health care.
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I know, yeah.
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And there have been a lot of laws passed to allow children as young as 12 to determine a lot of their own care, including—we’ll use that term again— reproductive health care. And so I’m pretty sure you’re correct. Now, there used to be a requirement that at least the parents be informed. But as you read the terms of that change in the Colorado Constitution, it really throws into deep question as to whether even that can be legally applied today because of the way they worded everything and this is the bill that actually i believe was very improperly uh presented it was an initiative when i think about it because it was the title board who who approved this language right um and the language failed to uh to mention in any way the language describing the title of the of the uh measure FAILED TO DESCRIBE THAT IT ACTUALLY REPEALED ANOTHER PORTION OF THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION THAT PROHIBITED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR ABORTION I KNOW AND UM YEAH SO IT I MEAN COLORADO HAS BECOME A HAVEN FOR THE ABORTION INDUSTRY UM A SANCTUARY STATE YOU MIGHT SAY FOR ABORTION DOCTORS UM AND It’s just despicable.
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It is. And the people of Colorado voted for this Amendment 79 as well. And when you say to people – I’ve talked with many of my friends that have said to those that may – they have family members or friends that may lean to the left politically – And they say, do you realize in Colorado that you can board a baby up until the time of delivery? And their friends will say, no, that’s not even possible. But it is possible here in Colorado, which is truly, truly, it’s unconscionable that that’s where we’re at. But that’s why we’ve got to continue to engage in these battle of ideas. So I want to shift gears a bit. Any candidate, Kevin, that reaches out to me, Republican, Democrat, any of them, I will give them some time on the show. And right now we’ve got this big election coming up for Colorado State GOP chair. And yesterday, Darcy Shaning was on the show. Britta Horn was on last week. Laurie Sainz is going to be on a little bit later today. Richard Holtorf will be on on Thursday. But yesterday, Darcy, I’d asked her about this whole opt-out thing. And as she was explaining, there’s really two components of it. And last night when I was at the CUT board meeting, one of our board members said, Kim, I’m a little fuzzy on this. I don’t quite understand it. And I realized I don’t think I was explaining it quite correctly as well. So there’s two things. There is opting out of the open primary, and then there is closing the primary, right? And I thought, you’re the guy that can explain this to us. So what is this exactly?
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I will attempt to. And you’re quite correct that many people have confused two distinctly different approaches. And I actually serve as the chairman for the lawsuit committee for the Colorado GOP because we are suing the state of Colorado, basically, for on an unconstitutional provision in law that was created by proposition 108 back in 2016 and that created the semi open primary where arm unaffiliated voters voters that are not affiliated with any party are actually sent a ballot from the republican primary and the democrat primary and they can vote in one of those I say semi-open because if you are a declared party member, either a major party of those two parties or one of the minor parties, you don’t get those ballots. If you’re a Democrat, you get a Democrat ballot. If you’re a Republican, you get a Republican ballot. If you’re a minor party, you don’t get any ballot. But if you’re unaffiliated, you get both ballots. It’s crazy. Now, I’m trying to explain the lawsuit here. And this is crazy and discombobulated, but it’s also clearly unconstitutional because way back in 2000, there was a case before the Supreme Court called the California Democratic Party versus Jones, who I think was the Secretary of State at that time in California. And the U.S. Supreme Court said, In essence, you cannot force a private organization, which is a political party, from accepting votes for their candidates that stand for election in the general election from non-party members. You can’t force a party to do that. And Proposition 108 in Colorado essentially forces the party to do that. Now, they put in what they called an opt-out. Now we’re getting kind of in the confusion side. which is a party can, if 75% of their central committee votes, every election cycle they have to do this, but if 75% of the entire membership of that party votes to opt out of the primary, then what they end up with is no primary. And they have to choose their candidates through some sort of a of an assembly process or something that’s not a primary, not conducted by the clerk’s office. So we are challenging the constitutional merits of that law here in Colorado, we meaning the Colorado Republican Party is, and that’s working its way through the process, and it’s a long thing, and it’s in federal court. Okay. That’s the lawsuit. And if the judge rules or judges, because we’re certain this will go through several appeals, it may end up in the Supreme Court again. But if the judges say, you’re right, this is also forcing the parties to accept these non-party member votes. then the result would be to get rid of Proposition 108’s provisions in the law. And the logical choice is, you never know what a judge or a group of judges are going to ultimately come up with, but the logical choice is to go back to the closed primary system that we’ve had in Colorado for many, many years, up until the 2018 election, because that’s when the prop 108 actually had a fact in the first election okay that’s that the opt-out is to try to live by the provisions within proposition 108 and opt out of the the the provisions for your party alone and now The Republican Party has conducted that election or that vote on several election cycles, and it has proven to be an impossible level to meet because it’s not 75 percent of those present voting. It’s 75 percent of the total membership. And the Central Committee has hundreds of members. It’s very difficult to get everybody to come from every corner of the state to a meeting. And so that’s what the opt-out is. And a lot of people think that the lawsuit is therefore opting out. But no, the lawsuit is challenging the core principle of does the Constitution allow this kind of a law to exist in the first place?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so I’ve got some other questions.
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I hope that explains it.
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Yeah, and I’ve got another question. Let’s go to break. I’m talking with Kevin Lundberg, and we’re talking about this closed primary, opting out, what that is exactly, and this is so important that we understand it. And we don’t get to unless we have these discussions, and they come to you because of our sponsors. And if you’ve been injured, be sure to reach out to John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. Thursday afternoon, I’ll be down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo. I will be emceeing one of their great On Values presentations. Dr. Walt Larimore will present regarding his book At First Light, which is the story of his World War II hero father, Phil Larimore. And in fact, I’ve interviewed Dr. Larimore for our America’s Veterans Story show. Colonel Bill Rutledge, 96 years young, lives up in Fort Collins, had reached out. He said, Kim, I just read one of the best books I’ve ever read about World War II. You need to get this guy on your show. And that is Dr. Larimore regarding this book. Well, you can see him in person this Thursday evening at the Center for American Values. And you can get more information by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. Kevin Lumberg, I know this is difficult to do this on the air with such a important subject, but these elections in Colorado, the radical activists with help from Republicans have been messing around with our elections. And what do we get when that happens? We get what’s happening down at this statehouse. When I go down sometimes to testify, these legislators, these radical activist legislators, act like they think they’ll never lose another election. And I think it’s because they think they’ll never lose another election. And so we’re talking about this Prop 108, which was that 2017, did you say, Kevin? Was that when that was?
SPEAKER 14 :
It was in the 2016 election, and that was – an effort largely put forward by Kent Theory, who is the guy who tried to give us the jungle primary question this last year and unfortunately got got his ears boxed back by the voters but um and 50 they put a total 15 million dollars in that on that jungle primary um uh ranked choice voting i can’t believe it went down but it did but it was because of voices like ours kevin that was speaking truth into that and the people understood it yeah well and and you mentioned elections and you know i’m very grateful that that we win some and i think by defeating that that proposition we we We won a great deal by, you know, holding back from the, you’re right, ranked choice voting and the jungle election, which, by the way, would meet constitutional muster because then no political party is able to select any candidate whatsoever. You know, people can claim they’re a Republican or a Democrat or whatever. They’ve been doing that up in Washington state for years. And I saw one of their ballots and one guy running for Congress called himself good space guy. And somehow he qualified for the ballot, but he was obviously just a joke. And unfortunately, that’s what that would have driven us towards. Well, yeah, those things happen. And the initiative process can go awry when you have big players like that that come in with lots of money and really not much grassroots support. But, you know, they can buy their way onto the ballot. And they sometimes buy their way into our law books, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
So with this, Kevin, and again, we’ve got about five minutes, and I know this is complicated. So Prop 108, 2016, it opened up the primary where unaffiliateds could choose to vote in either the Republican or the Democrat primary. They get both ballots. First of all, think about the expense on what that is exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
Millions of dollars, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there’s been this argument out there that, oh, we as Republicans, if we don’t allow unaffiliateds to vote in our primaries, that we are disenfranchising them and then we won’t have any shot at them in the general. I look at that now. I think that’s a bunch of poppycock. And last night, Heidi Ganahl presented at our cut board meeting regarding her Rocky Mountain voice and Road to Red. And she said something that I thought was very interesting. She said that research has shown that approximately 60 percent of the unaffiliated vote Democrat and maybe 40 percent will lean to the right. Well, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that then those Democrats, unaffiliated, are affecting our Republican elections. This is dumb to let this happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Well, and unfortunately, it happens in far too many states. And this is another reason why it’s so important to not opt out. you know, and try to play along with the law, but to get rid of it and to set some precedent the right direction, because other states that are stuck with similar situations need a little bit of leadership there. And here’s where we can make some difference. And we’re moving through the process. Believe it or not, I had got an update from our, you might say, our quarterback on our legal team, which is John Eastman. John and I spoke earlier this morning about this.
SPEAKER 18 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
And, yeah, so this is late-breaking news, you might say, and the main point is we’re moving forward as quickly as we can through the slow wheels of the federal legal system so as to get to a final resolution. And legally speaking, if you just want to look at the merits of the law, this is an unconstitutional law. Now, can we get the courts to come around to this? That’s what we’re trying to find out. And, you know, the only way you prove it is you step up to the bar and you pay the price to get on, you know, to get the lawsuit through the process. And that’s what we’re doing right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have about three minutes left. So the first thing would be to… Close the primary. That’s what the lawsuit’s about, right? Close the primary?
SPEAKER 14 :
The lawsuit is to eliminate Proposition 108 from Colorado’s law books, and the default is The closed primary, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Then the opting out, which is the other component of this, that is something to do while we’re going through this lawsuit. And so that would mean then that people could not petition onto the ballot during that time. But if we got the primary closed and got this lawsuit figured out, then we would then still have the two options after that for either petitioning on or going through the assembly process. Yes or no on that one?
SPEAKER 14 :
Assuming that the courts simply default back to the previous law, yes. I want to challenge you on one point, though, and that is I’m not considering this two components. It’s two different paths. And this is the big confusion, is a lot of people are saying, oh, we’ve got to opt out, we’ve got to opt out. But understand that it’s been proven that the way to opt out is impossible. We’ve tried it multiple times, and that’s one of the contentions within our lawsuit is you can’t opt out. And so I’m It just completely baffles me that some people still think we can somehow play by the rules of this new law, which has proven to be impossible standards to meet, and still have a valid argument to the court that it doesn’t work. If we make it work, we’ve proven to the court that our case is not correct, that it is possible. So, you know, yeah, we maybe need to pick this up next week because there’s so much to be understood here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I want to say thank you to Paula Beard last night at CUT at the board meeting. She said, Kim, I’m not sure I quite understand it. And as I was trying to explain it, it’s like, you know what? I don’t think I totally understand it either. So, yes, let’s make sure that we do understand this. Kevin Lumberg, we are out of time. Your quick final thought for our listeners. And we’ll pick this back up next week.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let’s pick this up back up next week. There’s so much to be and and also Heidi Ganahl actually published in her publication, Rocky Mountain Voice, a pretty good description of those two, two different concepts. So if you want to bone up on, look up this story that she published maybe a week ago or two weeks ago now.
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OK, Kevin Lumberg, thank you so much. Have a great day and we’ll talk next week. Thank you. And our quote for the end of the show is from Samuel Adams. And he said this, it is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. So my friends today, read great books, be grateful, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, God bless America, and stay tuned for hour number two.
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Our word of the day is cursory. It’s C-U-R-S-O-R-Y. And I want to give a shout out to Eric for all of his great research and also reminding me to spell these words out. And our goal is to expand our vocabulary to be able to impress our friends and family with our expanded vocabulary. But I think ultimately just so that we are getting a little bit smarter on all these things. And so cursory is an adjective. It could be, number one, performed with haste or scant attention to detail. And number two, it could be running about, not stationary. Or number three, characterized by haste, hastily or superficially, performed slight, superficial or careless. And I would say that there’s nothing cursory regarding Elon Musk, Doge, this Trump 2 administration and his cabinet and all that they’re doing. To reclaim this great American idea. We truly are in the third founding of our country. And we’re in an ideological battle right now. And certainly that’s what it ultimately comes down to with politics is an ideological battle. And I had talked with one of my friends. She was out at the great event. of the phillips county republicans for their lincoln day event on sunday which i thank them for the honor to be the keynote speaker and she had texted me or i guess she’d emailed me regarding different family members different people in her life that look at politics differently and uh Her comment was that politics can divide so many people. And I realized that it’s not politics, but it’s really values. And we need to make the case for these values, for these principles of the vision of our Declaration. of all men are created equal. So if you have friends and family that are advocating for the law to treat people differently or to tax people, to take money from one person to give to another via taxes or fees, That’s not the proper role of government. This is a values issue. And I think that we need to move this whole conversation away from this isn’t really about politics. This is really about values. So, for example, values. Should money be taken from us via taxes here in Colorado to be used to pay Planned Parenthood to abort children? I think the answer on that would be no. Now, if somebody really feels strongly about aborting children, then I think they could put their money towards that. I still want to make the case for life, but we the taxpayer should not have money taken from us via force to be used to pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood. I think we can make a values argument on that. So it’s not about politics. It’s about values. So our word of the day is cursory. Our quote of the day comes from Samuel Adams. He said, “…the liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards, and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.” And that’s founding father Samuel Adams. And then our bill of the day, Senate Bill 25-181, and the issue is sunsetting the Just Transition Advisory Committee. This Just Transition was put in there saying it was going to help people find jobs that were working in our clean coal-fired plants, providing reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy for us. And that through this whole green agenda, they want to shut them down. People lose their jobs. And so this committee was to help them find jobs. Well, we think it’s time to sunset this particular committee and this particular advisory committee. And this is what the Colorado Union of Taxpayers said. says we unanimously oppose this bill this bill continues the just transition advisory committee in the department of labor and employment indefinitely it’s currently set to sunset on september 1 2025. says the purpose of this committee was to alleviate the effects of coal-related facility closures on local communities CDLE operates a website on the program. Neither it nor the bill summary seems to be able to point to more than one example of a person finding new employment from the program, but this committee has managed to push out a lot of taxpayer money. So the unstated purpose of the committee was to support forcing Colorado into 100% intermittent energy sources by 2040. This committee is ultimately just a salve for the consciences of those throwing hundreds of people out of work. Sunset this useless committee. And again, that is Senate Bill 25181. And we have all these important discussions regarding important issues, and that’s why I really am appreciative of John Bozen with Bozen Law. If you’ve been injured, you certainly want to give them a call. John Bozen, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim.
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John, you had mentioned Ozempic or this family of pharmaceuticals. And there’s more and more information coming out that there’s some challenges with this. Could you give us an update on where this is exactly?
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Well, unfortunately, I’m receiving more and more calls from Ozempic or Wagobe or Monharo. Users and all of the people that I’ve spoken with thus far have been people that got convinced by the ads they’re running or other people they’ve spoken with or their doctors to try this to lose some weight. And it’s important to not be overweight, I mean, because that leads to all kinds of other problems. But it’s not worth the risk. And what I’m seeing and what other lawyers are, the practice and the pharmaceuticals, arena are seeing are more and more just kind of bizarre adverse reactions that people are having to these drugs. And it’s scary stuff, Kim. And we just lost someone, talked with her mother-in-law, and now it’s just a heartbreaking story. Somebody wanted to lose a little bit of weight, started on one of these drugs, and Had some major, major complications. I’ll leave it at that. And she may be listening right now. She, I believe, was one of your listeners that contacted me. But we’ve seen a lot of things. The primary problem that we see are people that are having gastroparesis. It’s basically a shutdown of their stomach and their intestines. They stop working. I’m very much simplifying this. But they essentially stop working, stop doing what they were designed to do. So it results in some major problems when your stomach, when your intestines are not moving things along. You’re not getting the nutritional value you should be from the foods that you eat. And I’m just scratching the surface, Kim. Some of these adverse reactions are becoming very well known at this point. You’re starting to see some stories finally. out there about some of these problems that people are experiencing. Some of these things are worn for by the manufacturers, some of them aren’t. So we’re still in the very early stages of just investigating and tying things together. But my firm is working with other firms to go after these manufacturers for what they knew and what they didn’t disclose when they should have more timely disclosed these problems.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, John, I think that’s the bottom line, because people, if they have informed consent, then it’s really on them, right? But I think what I’m hearing as we’re having these conversations is there were things that people were not informed about, yes?
SPEAKER 07 :
That is absolutely the case. It’s the same with every, I can’t think of an exception with regard to the pharmaceutical cases I’ve pursued in the past. It’s always what did they know, when did they know it, And when should they have disclosed these problems to the public, to the consumer?
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it. Okay. If people have questions, have concerns regarding Ozempic or this family of pharmaceuticals, what’s the number to reach you at, John Bozen?
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Okay. That number again is 303-999-9999. And John Bozen, I know you and your team care deeply about the people that you represent.
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We do. We are fighting for them, and we will continue to fight this Ozempic-Wagovia-Monjaro battle. and do everything we can for folks that have suffered some really horrendous damages because of their use of this drug.
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And thank you, John Bozen. We’ll talk next week.
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And you can put in your location and it will bring up a number of the different entities near you. And currently I’m looking right now, because I put in my information, City of Aurora, City of Centennial, City of Cherry Hill, City of Denver, City of Englewood, City of my city, Lone Tree, all those things are there. And I’ll tell you what, it’s so interesting to go in and see how much these bureaucrats are being paid. And that’s their salary. That doesn’t include additional benefits. Well, we as entrepreneurs, it takes a lot, let me just put it that way, to put together that kind of bringing that kind of money home.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. If you’re a bureaucrat, even in a small city, I mean, you can expect to make, you know, $200,000 in your base pay. And then you get, of course, your pension contributions, really good health insurance. And, you know, all of a sudden you’ve got the pay package of a corporate CEO, but you’re perhaps running a village of, you know, 10, 15, 20,000 people. So it pays for people to be in government. It doesn’t pay, however, for taxpayers in many cases who are paying these salaries, especially when you find that that bureaucrat isn’t doing their job, is contributing to waste, fraud and abuse and misspending money. So we hate to see that, but we do love to shed light on it. And so, you know… Unfortunately, we see really, really frequently the government misspending money. Of course, Doge has their hands full looking at the federal government, but it doesn’t stop there, right? Your property taxes, your sales taxes that you pay go to the city, county, and state where you live, and so that’s super important to look at. As you mentioned, at our website, OpenTheBooks.com, we have a really cool feature called Benjamin the Chatbot. That’s pretty new. Before that, you could, like you said, you can search your city name, your state name, and we will show you all of the records we have in and around that location. But Benjamin the Chatbot, you can search for an individual’s name. Let’s say you’re looking for a person. You want to know what the mayor in your city makes or the county executive and search their name, that will come right up. If you wanna know a vendor, if you wanna know what money your state’s paying Facebook, you can type in Facebook as a vendor in your state or city and that will come up and it’ll send you an email with all the results. So our technology is getting better. We’re able to sort our tens of thousands of records that we have, hundreds of thousands of records. and able to search it very quickly to be able to get people this information. And as we know, information is power. The more you know, the better decisions you can make. You know, spending your own money, you certainly think about it and think about the best way to spend it. It’s good to know exactly how the government is or is not spending your money properly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and it really is fascinating, and knowledge certainly is power. And as I’m looking at some of these different things, so, okay, let’s just take a quick little look here at Aurora. Aurora’s been in the news quite a bit. And in 2023, the city of Aurora, Barca Morales Rene, the park ranger supervisor, said, The annual wages is $347,000. Court clerk, Abagne Nardo, City of Aurora, $333,000. Then the general manager of water, it says the name is not provided, $320,000. The city manager, James Twombly, $287,000. Whoa, that’s about what I need to say is whoa. Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And again, as you mentioned, these are these are this is just their pay. This does not include any of the benefits they get. What we we find a lot with cities is, of course, employees can save up their unused paid time off. And so they can get paid for that a lot of times, depending on the city and depending on the rules, they can get paid for it at the end of the year if they request, or they can get paid for it when they leave, when they retire or they move on to another job. And so this base pay in the $200,000, $300,000 range is only where it begins. It’s not where it ends. and so it’s really important to know that to have that information going in if you’re going to speak before the city council if you’re going to um you know talk about the mayor just to know what they’re making and again a lot of times it’s not even the mayor that’s making the most like you say you’re looking here park ranger supervisor And a court clerk and the manager of the water department, you know, people can make a tremendous amount of money in positions you certainly wouldn’t expect. And that’s why it’s so great that we have this opportunity. This service, this free service on our website where you can just search this and get the information you need to be an informed citizen and hold people accountable, hold the powerful accountable. If you’re getting paid $300,000, what are you doing? How are you running your department? Why are you getting paid this money? What is the checkbook of the water department? Who are they paying? And why is the general manager making $320,000? These are all questions that citizens can be armed with when they have this information to go and hold the powerful accountable for how they’re spending their taxpayer money.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so I’m looking at this, Rachel O’Brien. I’m looking at Aurora right now. And some of the numbers are from 2021. So some of them are not exactly current. So explain that to me. And then I’ve got one of these that I’ve got to ask you about. So you have some numbers from 2023, some 2020, different amounts. It kind of looks like what you have is it starts with the highest amount in wages and goes down from that. So that’s why you might have some different years interspersed. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, yeah. So you can sort by year. So if, you know, we have the most recent years. So for instance, Aurora, I believe it looks like we have from 2017 through 2023, we’ve started getting 2024 payrolls. They’re not all entered into our system yet. A lot of times cities and states are slow in giving us their payrolls, right? The books closed December 31st, 2024. And here we are March 18th. We still don’t have 2024 payrolls from some cities. So So yeah, you can sort through year. So if you’re just sorting through 2023, You can see the park ranger supervisor is the highest paid, then the court clerk, then the patrol officer, the administrative specialist lead. I’m not quite sure what that position is. Programmer analyst, senior programmer analyst. And so that’s exactly right. It just sorts by the highest paid, but you can filter by year. And then that way you can actually see how the salaries increase. You can follow individuals and see how much more they were paid year over year. Did they get a $50,000 raise or a $100,000 raise? Or have they been there for 35 years and they’ve slowly incrementally increased their wages? And that’s why when we do these payroll investigations, we do like to compare the year over year to see exactly where the increases are coming from, especially if you’re talking about you have unions that had big contracts For instance, the teachers unions we follow in our school districts that we look at. If a teachers union gets a 10% raise over three years, you can expect to see that that payroll is going to shoot up over those years. And that sort of explains why you can see these numbers going up. Yeah, we have this database really goes back as far as these records exist as long as we’ve been able to get them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so next question. I’m looking at this 2023 City of Aurora. I’m not a great swimmer, Rachel O’Brien, but maybe I should be because it says here that Jackson Abram Lifeguard made $245,000. Now, Are you sure that’s correct? That came from their information, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
All of the information that you look at on this website comes directly from those governments. These are their payroll records that they provide to us. So I will tell you one of the most popular articles that we have on our website to this day is from May of 2022, and it’s about the top paid lifeguards in L.A., Now, you’re far, far away from L.A., but L.A. lifeguards are making $500,000 in 2021. So these numbers are four years old. So we found lifeguards can make not only a huge amount in base pay, but a lot in overtime pay. I don’t have the details of this particular person in front of me, the Aurora lifeguard, Jackson Abram, but I can bet you that he probably made quite a bit in overtime. We see this a lot with police and firefighters across the country, right? They make a lot in overtime. In some cases, they are, for police departments, sometimes they’re reimbursed. If that overtime comes from police covering outside events, you know, say there’s a concert and they’re doing security for the concert venue, oftentimes the venue will reimburse the police department. Lifeguards, I don’t know. I think lifeguards are pretty much getting paid their overtime by the city. I don’t think they’re getting reimbursed from anybody if they’re working on a city beach. Isn’t that shocking, $245,000 for a lifeguard? In Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
In Colorado. Because we’re kind of a desert out here. Rachel O’Brien, this is absolutely fascinating. And so one other thing. My city had not been on Open the Books. And I mentioned it to you, and it takes a little bit of time. But you put that on there. And so if you’re looking at Open the Books and you don’t see your entity that you’re interested in, what’s the best way for people to contact you? And I know it takes a little bit of time, but I know you are trying to get to all these suggestions if people make them.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Yeah, you can message me directly, rachel.obrien at openthebooks.com. If you go to our website and you cannot find your city, it’s either that it’s small and we haven’t requested it yet or that your city is not cooperating and not sending us the records or taking a very long time to send records. But we want to hear. We want to hear if there’s something missing from our website and you’re looking for it. We’re going to reach out and try to get those records.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is amazing. And your founder, Adam Andrzejewski, passed on, gosh, what, about six months ago now? Young guy. In August. Was it August? But you are continuing on with this important work. It’s so exciting. But I want to talk with you regarding NASA and this recent article that you have published. And so we’ll do that when we come back. And our sponsors, I’m just blessed with amazing sponsors. And for a great protein source in your diet, that tastes really, really good, check out Lavaca Meat Company.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, should not have to force people to do it. And on Thursday, I will be down in Pueblo at the Center for American Values, located on the beautiful Riverwalk, for one of their On Values presentations. And the presenter is Dr. Walt Larimore. He’s written a book, At First Light, regarding his World War II hero father, Phil Larimore. And it’s a fascinating story. I’ve interviewed Dr. Larimore for my America’s Veterans Story show. And his father was an equestrian. and he ended up saving the fringed Lipassan horses from the Nazis. And it’s a fascinating story. So it won’t cost anything down at the Center for American Values, but you need to let them know that you’re going to attend. You can get more information by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. And Rachel O’Brien, I know that sounds really interesting. If you were in Colorado, I bet you’d like to go to that. Oh, my gosh, that sounds fantastic. I have a niece who’s obsessed with horses. I would take her with me. Oh, and you know what? You really should get that book at first light, which is about his his father. Apparently, you know, it’s quite the story. So but let’s get over here. Fascinating. Rabbit holes. Open the books is a rabbit hole that I could spend hours on because once you know this information. Once you walk into a city council meeting and you know what the attorney there is being paid, and it’s difficult to fight city hall. Well, when you look at the amount of tax money that’s going to the attorney, to the city manager, to all those people sitting behind those desks, those bureaucrats, the city council people don’t make those kind of dollars. But they’re being influenced by the bureaucrats and interested parties that do. It’s a rabbit hole that I can get down and so much information. But you have published a piece at OpenTheBooks.com, NASA’s one giant leap toward DEI and your investigation. And, of course, we’ve had these astronauts that have been up in space for 276 days. Apparently, they are now on the… to get back to Earth and should splash down hopefully later this afternoon. But take us through this one giant leap towards DEI by NASA.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, these poor astronauts, right, they went for, I think it was supposed to be a 10-day trip or something, Ms. Williams, Mr. Wilmore, and they’ve been there since June. So they were stranded at the International Space Station, right, for nine months. They’re finally on their way back. And so we looked at NASA’s issues with their contractors, and we looked at their big spending on DEI. So Boeing, they were the one who – sent these two astronauts to begin with and obviously had problems with their ship and stranded them there in the International Space Station. So Boeing received $6.4 billion from NASA between 2021 and 2024 fiscal years. They were the second largest contractor. The first largest is Caltech. They manage the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab. So Boeing, $6.4 billion. SpaceX is the third largest contractor right there, the ones that actually sent this ship that did arrive safely at the ISS. They are bringing back these two stranded. SpaceX received $5.3 billion between 2021 and 2024. So we looked at Boeing and SpaceX, and it’s no shock, right? Boeing has been in the news. They’ve got some problems. They’ve got some improvements to make. We found an inspector general report from last year. It found several issues with NASA’s various contractors, not just Boeing. NASA sort of has this environment where they keep awarding fees to contractors that work on rocket boosters and engines, the Orion spacecraft. And they’ve awarded $77 million in questionable fees to these contractors when the contractors have had periods of poor performance. You know, NASA also gave sole source contracts, meaning they didn’t request bids. There wasn’t any competition. They just gave a contract to contractors to develop machinery, you know, that’s used for these ships for spaceflight. But, of course, that eliminated competition and drove up prices when there was no bidding. This inspector general report found lots of examples of waste, fraud, and abuse in the procurement process, how NASA deals with its contractors. There was one example where the CEO of a Florida company pleaded guilty to wire fraud. He submitted 200 fraudulent quality control documents for parts that were going to NASA’s space launch system at the Kennedy Space Center. So there’s lots to be done there specifically with contractors. And then Boeing is a whole different story. They’ve had some issues. They are, we know, of course, again, the failure with the Starliner spacecraft that stranded the two astronauts in the International Space Station. Boeing is also six years behind schedule and $1.8 billion over budget on its portion of the space launch system that’s going to take us back to the moon. And so part of it is that Boeing’s quality control systems are not up to par. Their process to address deficiencies to date has been ineffective. This is all according to the inspector general’s report. The company has generally been non-responsive in taking corrective actions as the same quality control issues reoccur. You know, it’s really no shock that you have this ship that was unable to complete its mission and stranded these two astronauts at the International Space Station. You know, both NASA and Boeing need to take responsibility, need to step up and improve their processes.
SPEAKER 03 :
So have they been taking their eye off the ball? So being so far behind regarding their schedule and so much over budget, is this because they haven’t been paying attention to business that they’ve been focused on DEI?
SPEAKER 17 :
So they certainly have had a strong DEI focus. You know, it’s hard to say exactly to tie that connection or correlate. There certainly is a correlation that NASA has spent a lot of money and a lot of time on DEI in the four years that we looked at, fiscal year 21 through 24. So in his first day in office, President Biden, you probably remember he rescinded President Trump’s order, Trump had that order that agencies and contractors stop performing DEI trainings. Well, President Biden, as soon as he got in, rescinded that President Trump order and began embedding DEI in all government activities. This is across the federal government. So in 2022, NASA rolled out its DEI strategic plan. Of course, its goal to include race and sex-based hiring and promotion initiatives. So reviews for NASA staff now included evaluating people on how closely they conform to DEI ideology. And NASA awarded lots of contracts and grants. for DEI spending. They spent over $2.5 million to a consulting company, LMI Consulting, for diversity training to incorporate, they say, and deeply ingrain diversity, equity, inclusion, accessibility in the culture and business of NASA. So when you deeply ingrain something in the culture and business, of course, that’s going to take the wheel and drive the bus forward. for how that organization is going to function. You know, another $117,000 went to contractors for additional diversity training. We found $9 million was spent on various DEI contracts And then grants. NASA gave out grants to other entities for them to do work on DEI-related work, specifically environmental justice. There were three grants for a total of $568,000 for environmental justice, equity, diverse and creating diverse and equitable spaces. The Planetary Science Institute got one of these. The Regents of the University of California, Rowan University, University of California, Irvine, all to embed DEI in their programming, their NASA-related programming. And so, you know, as we found with lots of the other federal agencies that we’ve looked at and universities that we’ve looked at, you know, it’s identity politics at its worst. And identity politics has no place at NASA, right? This should be focusing on not only the fiscal responsibility in getting contractors in line, contractors that are getting billions and billions of dollars, but focusing on NASA’s core mission of space exploration and research, and of course, at the very least, rescuing stranded astronauts. And so DEI doesn’t further any of those goals. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Quick question, and to toss this out, I know we’re just about out of time, Rachel O’Brien, but it sure seems to me like we should get rid of these government grants. As one of our listeners has said, these government grants are like crack cocaine to bureaucrats and
SPEAKER 17 :
politicians and interested parties i think we should get rid of them is that too broad of a statement no i don’t think so i mean you know there are entities that do uh help the government in its mission and in doing work but Broadly speaking, once you send this money to entities that then send the money to other entities, you lose. You can’t track the money. They don’t track the money. We don’t know exactly where it’s going or how it’s being spent. Or if we do know, it’s on some clause that is so far from what the role of government is and should be. It’s expanded government. It’s not only made government larger but more unwieldy. We’ve started looking at the agencies listed in the Federal Register, over 440 agencies, and the spending at all of the agencies goes up. but not the headcount. And so we’ve sort of come to this conclusion that, you know, this money is going to outside entities. You can see that it’s going to contractors. It’s going to grants. Paying people who don’t work for the government to do this work, that’s hard to track and can very easily get out of hand. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Rachel O’Brien, we’ve got to get you back on the show very soon. So such great work. You were doing Doge before Doge was launched.
SPEAKER 17 :
famous at openthebooks.com uh your final thought yeah you know doge is thankfully has put this spotlight on on the exact work that we’ve been doing all this time you mentioned adam angie our founder he started this a decade ago more than a decade so we’re happy that doge is putting this this spotlight on on the spending on wasteful fraudulent abusive spending um but We hope that they’re able to get to their goal, to cut this, the money that they say they will. And we’re going to be right there along them. We’re going to be banging this drum. We’re going to be giving you examples of the wasteful spending that needs to be cut. Even if Doge isn’t able to get a cut, we’re going to continue banging that drum and letting people know exactly what government’s doing with your money.
SPEAKER 03 :
And hats off to you, Rachel O’Brien. Thank you so much. And again, that’s Rachel O’Brien. She is with Open the Books. That website is OpenTheBooks.com. And certainly if you want to go down a rabbit hole today, that’s a good one to do that. So Rachel, we’ll talk again soon. Thanks so much for having me again, Kim. Wow. And this all happens because of our sponsors. And regarding mortgages, there may be some opportunities to lower your mortgage rate. Just stay tuned with all of the stuff that’s going on out there. But give Lauren Levy a call at 303-880-8881 to be ready to pounce if something happens.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And as you know, one of the nonprofits I dearly love is the USMC Memorial Foundation. And be sure and support them. It’s a way to say thank you to those who have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Pleased to have on the line with me, former state legislator, I think former county commissioner, and that is Lori Sane. And she has thrown her hat in the ring for Colorado State GOP Chair. Lori, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. How are you? I am well. It was great to see you out at Holyoke on Sunday as they had their Lincoln Day event and heard you speak and explain why you have thrown your hat in the ring for Colorado State GOP Chair. And that is the question, why? Why? Yes, indeed.
SPEAKER 18 :
Why is that? Well, it looks like from the outside, we may have a lot of infighting. And That is most certainly true. But there are birth pains in moving back towards freedom. And I’m running to return the Republican Party back to the Republican Party. And that looks like a couple different avenues that we’re pursuing. One is closing the primary lawsuit, which would return back to giving ballots to Republicans only so Republicans can pick the Republican candidates. That can also be achieved by an opt-out, which we have the authority to do per our vote in Pueblo at our last organizational meeting. And that simply means that as a private organization, the Republican Party is going to run its own, if you want to call it a primary, and the state will not be running that election. We will be running that election. So it is a sharp departure back to what we – closer to what we used to do, which is voting in precincts again. And that’s going to be, logistic-wise and everything else, that’s going to be a tall order. But as the county chairs are talking more and more about it, self-governance is hard, but we can do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and Lori, I hear from so many people, and you mentioned this infighting. They said, we just need to unify. And I don’t disagree, but I was thinking about it. We’ve got to have something to unify behind.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right, and that idea should be a Republican Party platform. These are values we don’t have to water down to appeal to unaffiliated. And it may actually bring people back to our party to volunteer, to donate, to work for our candidates. I hear often from unaffiliated from the party because they no longer believe that the party stands for them or their principles. So going back to the basics, the basic planks of our party platform, which is actually what helps rate our candidates on for the legislature and others. You know, that tells people where they are as far as returning power back to the people. Those planks of the party that cut rates on, you know, like the fiscal responsibility and limited government and all those things, those really mirror the golden rule as close as you possibly can in politics. So we need to get back to the basics, go back to our Republican values to attract more people to the party. And I believe this opt out will do exactly that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and you mentioned Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which I am now the president. It’s an all volunteer group. And what I have found interesting is that we have had Republicans that have gotten onto some of these bad bills where it’s bipartisan. And I’m thinking, hey, you need to keep your names off these bills as sponsors. And I think it’s important that people understand when Republicans are, I would really say, straying from these principles because many times I’ve seen them Talk about the principles, but then when I’ve seen the legislation, when push comes to shove, it can be a different story. Yeah, that’s right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Again, back to, I mean, we’ve been in turmoil for a long time. I mean, my first experience with the state chair is he was sending mailers against me in my primary, and I was really shocked. And, you know, it’s been a mess as long as I’ve had encounters with the state party. Now, that wasn’t Dave Williams, was it?
SPEAKER 03 :
This was before, yes?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes. This is Brian Call. Yes, this is in 2013, 2014. And I’ll just say that, you know, when part of our party says unity, they don’t really mean unity. They mean control. They want you to basically sit down and shut up and go along to get along. And if you believe in freedom, you believe in principles, that’s not something that the majority of our party is willing to do. And it also doesn’t attract Republicans to the party. It makes them leak back into the unaffiliated ranks. And, for example, when volunteers are rejected, I’ve seen publicly where they are planning to go unaffiliated. They’re just fed up with Republican politics now. They say it’s a big tent, but they don’t want to include volunteers that have walked and donated to candidates for decades. So there’s a big mess in the party, but I’m going to propose that we continue to act on principle. We go forward with optimism and professionalism. And again, if we have to go around those who stand in the way or want to disrupt, we’re just going to keep going.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So Lori’s saying we’ve got a couple of minutes left. How can people get more information? And what is the thought that you really want to leave people with today?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, my website is lorisaine.com, L-O-R-I-S-A-I-N-E dot com. And when you go to the website, I’d like you to look at the pledge I’ve taken. That’s where this administration is going to be different. Party transparency is party efficiency. It will reduce some of those friction points when we’re more transparent with finances and other things. So just take a look at that website and feel free to contact me. My contact information is on the site.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and Lori, I really do feel that we here in Colorado are at the tip of the spear of what is happening. So this state GOP race is so, so important, Lori Sane. And I thank you and I thank everyone, every candidate for jumping in because this is a really big deal. I really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Thank you so much for having me on your show. Really appreciate it. And one more time, what’s that website? LoriSane.com. Okay. And, Lori Sane, thank you so much. And, again, we want you to get to know these candidates. And I really do appreciate Lori and the other candidates for stepping forward because Colorado is at the tip of the spear, and we need to do everything we can to reclaim it, to hold the line, and to engage in this battle of ideas that we are facing here in our state and our country right now. Our quote for the end of the show, I’d gone to Samuel Adams, and he was one of the founders of the Sons of Liberty. And they did some things that were very avant-garde, that at the time were against the law, but they did it because it was for liberty. And what they wanted to put in place was… was a country where we could settle our differences via law and via constitutional law. And so anyway, this is what he said. He said, So again, that is Samuel Adams. So my friends today, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. We’ll talk again tomorrow.
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Talking about freedom Talking about freedom I will fight
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