Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. What is the proper role of government? My fellow Liberty Toastmasters share their thoughts on understanding the Constitutional role of government to define, protect, and enforce individual rights through the establishment of rule of law. Professor Kurt Gerwitz explains his perspective on AI after reading “AGI 2027,” a month by month prediction of the rapidly changing future of AI. Additionally, Gerwitz discusses our Legacy: what we leave behind. ————————————————————————————– The Kim Monson Show airs on KLZ 560 AM every Monday thru Friday, 6-8 AM MST. You can
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it’s not.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this day in history and thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy thursday producer joe Happy Thursday, Kim. And I am so pleased to have in studio with me my friend Carol Baker. She is the president of Liberty Toastmasters Denver. Liberty Toastmasters Day on the show. It’s going to be fantastic. Great to have you here.
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It’s good to be here. Good to be here and introduce our friends when they have a chance to call in later.
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Yep. So that’ll be in the third and fourth segment. So in the spirit of Liberty Toastmasters, I’ve got a word of the day.
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Well, good for you.
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And it is, I think you’re going to like this. Okay. Pugnacious.
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Tell me about pugnacious.
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Pugnacious is P-U-G-N-A-C-I-O-U-S. It could be combative in nature, belligerent, disposed to fight, inclined to fighting, quarrelsome fighting. I would say that the Democrats down at the statehouse are somewhat pugnacious. What do you think?
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Yes, and many times we find that characteristic among people who are passionate about what they’re doing. And I really strive to not have a reputation for being pugnacious.
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I don’t think I would think that I wouldn’t put the name Carol Baker and pugnacious in the same sentence.
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Good. I work at that. Thank you.
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I have had times, though, where somebody could call me pugnacious.
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It’s in there. There’s a temptation.
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But what a fun word to use today.
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It is fun.
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And again, Eric always wants me to spell it out. P-U-G-N-A-C-I-O-U-S. Pugnacious. Our quote of the day, because we’re going to be talking about the Constitution with our fellow Toastmasters, I was trying to get some Constitution quotes, and I ended up with Calvin Coolidge. Okay. Okay, and Calvin Coolidge was the 30th president of the United States, and he was a Republican lawyer for Massachusetts, and he was— He had a reputation as a small government conservative with a taciturn personality and dry sense of humor. It earned him the nickname of Silent Cal. And I’m trying to think of this story now about him. This is how I remember this story, so this may not be exact. But a socialite said that she had a bet with someone. that she could get him to say, I think, only two words or something like that. And the other person said that they get him to say more. And she said, so what do you say to that? And he says, you win. but anyway uh this is a quote and also lincoln has said something very similar to this says don’t expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong i think that is such a great quote so that’s not new huh that’s not new did you think it was it sounds like it sounds like it’s been around a while now Yeah. I think actually maybe there’s something even biblical.
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In human nature.
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Yeah, I think so. So, Carol, it’s been a busy week. On Monday night was the Colorado Union of Taxpayer Board meeting. And I tell you, this group that I am working with, they are so impressive. They’re all volunteers, and we have been watching legislation down at the statehouse. We have basically a couple of weeks left, and… Unfortunately, we’ve got a little A little some challenges with some of the Republicans down at the State House, not really voting for Republican principles. And we’re going to be talking about that here over the next few days. I got a call last night, and so I don’t quite understand. It was regarding a spending bill. And so I said, let’s give this 24 hours before I talk about it on the show, because I really want to get my brain around it. But it’s apparently five Republicans broke and voted with the Democrats on this. This is a problem. I know that we’re talking about unity. And the unity really is Coloradans need to come together to get government back in its proper role. And we’ve got, there’s not really much good that these Democrats are doing down at the State House. So to have Republicans break and vote with them is a real challenge. And part of it’s been even leadership.
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And this is something I’ve come to learn is that so much happens at committee level before it gets to the floor. And I guess I’m just kind of learning this last session and this session is that there are bills near the end, about the last month of the four-month session, that they start talking about finance bills.
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The long bill, yeah.
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Right. So you almost wonder if some of these people have been poising for position for three months just waiting for this.
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I think they have.
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There’s a lot for us to keep an eye on because these decisions affect all of us.
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Right. And then there’s two bills regarding elections that people are very concerned about as well. House Bill, I think, 1315 and House Bill 1319. And I hope to have somebody on to talk about that tomorrow as well.
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Oh, that would be good. I will be sure and listen.
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Yeah. And because that would change the number of precinct people. I think it’s 1315. I’ll have to would change the number of precinct people, PCPs from two to four. And my understanding is Republicans are having a heck of a time even getting to PCPs. But what that means is, is then very possibly people that want to control elections could stack the deck.
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Don’t even get me started. Really? That’s right. Yeah, because you’re really involved in all that stuff, aren’t you? Yes, at the local level. Which is important. Yes. And I think there are people who would like to change rules to accomplish another purpose. And just, yeah.
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Apparently. So we need to keep an eye on that as well. Absolutely. And Carol, I really work diligently to stay on the issues and try to stay out of the personalities. But these are issues that we have to talk about. And unfortunately, when we’ve got Republicans breaking to go with the Democrats, we’re going to have to talk about it.
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Well, I think that goes through kind of a cycle, though, around some of the meeting times and some of the primaries and things like this that I see more importance or more focus on personalities and people. And then give it a couple of weeks and that seems to settle down. For instance, anytime there’s a June primary and there’s factions talking about this issue. candidate or another and then in a few weeks time after one has been selected then it settled down it does settle back down and folks kind of come behind and because i’ve seen that pattern there are times when i feel like let it go for just a little bit if this is a typical time for this when it’s not a typical time and they’re still beating up on each other That’s a problem. Right, right, right.
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Well, and there is something regarding politics and people do get into the personalities, but we’ve got to stay to the issue because we are losing Colorado is the problem.
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And you’re a warrior who fights this day after day, all year long, all seasons. You’re not here just for the popular part where everybody else is paying attention. So yes, pay attention to the issues because the people seem to come and go.
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Yeah. So listen to the show and you will learn so much. So several things I want to get into. Well, I was talking about my week. So cut board meeting. And let me give you the names of these people because if you see them out there, say thank you. They’re all volunteers. And let’s see, we have, let me just get back with you. As of right now, Carol, there’s been 715 bills or resolutions that have been proposed down there. We have taken positions on 249 of those. And so that means that the team has read them, they’ve analyzed them, and we’re looking at things regarding protecting the taxpayer, education, parental rights, property rights, and protecting Tabor. So those are things that we do, but this group, Steve Dorman, Greg Golanski, Russ Hoss, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. I almost sneezed. I don’t know if I’ve ever sneezed on air before. I saw the facial expression coming on. And we’re going to talk with Rob Knuth in this next hour. And so that was Monday night. On Tuesday night, Ben Williams, one of our new sponsors, listener, He had organized something with his church where we presented regarding CUT. And then Linda White and Steve McKenna with Grandparents for Kids presented. And then Amy Everett with Colorado Praise presented. And so that was Tuesday night. Great, a great meeting. And then last night, I was at a fundraiser for Danielle Cherinsky Foundation. who is running for city council again in Aurora. I had not ever heard the whole story. And Cindy Romero was the woman who she got out of that gang-infested apartment building. Yes. She also spoke. I was impressed, Carol.
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I’m not surprised. It has been an impressive story that I’ve been following along, yes.
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Yeah, and so it’s been a busy week. And so I want to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of you and our sponsors that we are on the air because we are an independent voice on an independent station. So be sure and check out the website. That’s kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you’re over there. That comes out on Sundays. I know you always take a look at that, Carol, so you know who’s coming on the show.
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Right.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the text line is 720-605-0647. And would certainly love to have you text. I want to hear from you. There’s a lot going on out there. And in studio with me is my friend Carol Baker. And she is the president of the Liberty Toastmasters Denver. And so we’re going to be talking with our buddies here in a little bit. That’s right. It’s one of our favorite things to do is just do the little short segment speaking. Yes. And speaking of a short speaking, we have five bills that we’ll see if we can get through all of them with my colleague, Rob Knuth. He is the vice president of CUT, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And we’ve got him on the line. Rob Knuth, welcome to the show. Hello.
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Thank you, Kim. Good morning. Good to be with you.
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Good to have you. And shall we just well, first of all, I want to say thank you to this team. And we had our board meeting on Monday night. What an amazing group of people. Rob Knuth.
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I agree. Well, it’s almost sad because we’re we have so much fun and it’s so serious. But I guess you have to have fun when you’re dealing with all this nonsense.
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Yeah, it is, and nonsense it is. So let’s jump right in here. You selected five different bills that CUT, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, has taken positions on. We would really recommend that people join us. It’s only $25 a year. You will get our weekly email that goes out to the legislators and the governor. We really want to reclaim our state, but the first thing is you need to know what’s going on, and CUT is an excellent tool for people to have in their toolbox, Rob.
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It is. It is. I think a lot of people in the general public don’t realize the impact they could have by joining up with us, and everybody in the state, really any taxpayer, should have an interest in what we do, and it’d be great if a majority would join us, and we could really have some WHIP AT THE STATE HOUSE EVEN WITH THE CURRENT REGIME THAT’S IN PLACE.
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Well, and I know that we’re making a difference. Now, there’s a lot of work to do, but we’re making a difference. So let’s jump in here. The first one that you selected, Rob, was House Bill 1328 to implement recommendations for Direct Care Worker Stabilization Board. The sponsors on this are Representative Monica Duran and Emily Sirota, both Democrats, and Senator Jesse Danielson and Senator Jeff Bridges. So what should people know about 1328?
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Well, when you get into the details, as the old saying goes, the devil’s in the details. Well, the consensus of the majority of us on the board was that it’s government interference, more micromanaging in the private sector. Of course, some of the verbiage in the bill sounds favorable that we would employ. In fact, one of our board members who happens to be in and out of these situations a lot in his line of work, felt inclined to support it, hoping that it would be an improvement from what he sees when he has personal experience in going in and out of these care facilities, because a lot of them, and I’ve been in them over the years, and some of them are kind of sad, but we feel like we need to get more involvement from the private sector, the people that are stakeholders, the children that are maybe that are looking after elderly parents or whatever, need to work with the private sector a little more, be a little more engaged rather than the government coming in and mandating because it’s just, once the government gets involved, it’s just across the board forever. Everybody, there’s no exceptions and considerations at a local level or in an individual situation. And so it does mandate quite an increase in pay too, which would affect the private entities and their cost.
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Right. And normally when government gets involved, the price goes up, the quality goes down and the supply becomes limited. And I think we could see that with this.
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Yeah, that’s the concern. That’s a concern. And we know that there’s a lot of room for improvement in that industry, as there is in a lot of industries. But we just hate to see the government coming in with their heavy handed approach.
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Absolutely. So, again, and people can find this analysis on our website as well. What’s the next one that you wanted to talk about?
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Well, the next one we had pulled up, taken them in order of what we’d reviewed was Senate Bill 026, and that is – OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CONCERNING TAX POLICY. AND I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING. IT SEEMS RATHER INOCULOUS ENOUGH. SOME OF THESE ALMOST SEEM LIKE HOUSEKEEPING. BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN INTO THE SECTION OF THE BILL, SEVERAL SENTENCES DOWN, THEY’RE REALLY, IT’S KIND OF A HOLD OVER OF THE EMPHASIS ON GREEN NEW DEAL. AND IT’S KIND OF PICKING CERTAIN AREAS OVER OTHERS. THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS. IT’S KIND OF THE GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED AT A MICRO LEVEL. Especially when you get into the mission from lawn equipment, income tax credit, they’re wanting to extend that, but then they want to lower some of the others, income tax credits that affect the rural communities, especially like fuel storage for farmers, etc.
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And the sponsors on that are Senator Kyle Mullica, Representative Bob Marshall, and Representative Junie Joseph. And that’s Senate Bill 25026, adjusting certain tax expenditures. Like you say, it may sound a little innocuous, but then you get into the details and it’s a real problem. So we are a no on that as well. At cut, what’s the next bill that should be on people’s radar?
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Well, the next one we had going in order is Senate Bill 293. That’s a joint budget committee situation. The bill requires the state treasurer transfer the following amounts from the license plate cash fund on June 30th of this year, so just in a couple months, 40% of the unexpended and unencumbered balance of the fund to the general fund. So they’re looking to pull more money out of what is already designated to go into kind of a slush fund deal to try to address that. There are heavy expenditures in being working outside of the state budget. And so we’re opposed to that.
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It could be considered, I think, raiding some of these cash funds from what I’ve seen. And the prime sponsors on that are Democrat Senator Jeff Bridges, Republican Senator Barbara Kirkmeyer, Representative Shannon Byrd and Emily Sirota, both representatives, Democrats. And one of our listeners always says, let people know who are sponsoring these bills. And so I think that’s important, Rob.
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Yeah, no, I agree. You’re right, Kim, and thank you for picking up on that. Next one, Senate Bill 295, and that one is another joint budget committee situation dealing with the whole money received from firearm and ammunition excise tax from Proposition KK for certain behavioral health-related purposes. And then they want, again, to get into where they move the money around instead of from where it’s designated. in the Proposition KK. They want to move it around to where they would like to put it, use it, plug it in other places. And your term of rating really is rather apropos on that one, especially.
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And that’s $2.95. And the sponsors are all Democrats, Senator Judy Emma Bile, Jeff Bridges, Senator, Representative Shannon Byrd, and Representative Emily Sirota. Okay, what’s our last one, Rob Knuth, that you wanted to talk about?
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Well, actually, actually, Well, actually, we did have Barb Kirkmeyer again on that. She kind of likes to work with them a little bit. Oh. We did have one Republican in on that one. When I looked last night to do the final adjustments, yes, she’s got her name attached to it.
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Okay. Okay.
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Final one was the Senate resolution on democracy. And, uh, this is concerning the support of democracy, which is always a wonderful thing to do. So it’s about six pages of the whereases and the presidential election, et cetera, et cetera. So it’s the Democrats in our state wanting to buck the concerns of a lot of us that we have legitimate concerns about election integrity and the president Trump in the current DOJ wanting to get involved in examining certain things. And, uh, This purpose of this resolution seems to be to shut down any challenge to the integrity of Colorado elections. Instead of encouraging examination and correction of potential problems in our election system, it is a very partisan attempt to block any federal actions to improve election systems and integrity. We should be inviting transparency in our voting procedures and systems not blocking it, was our consensus.
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You think, Rob Knuth?
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Well, it’s a little bit too apparent. But these days you have to deal with the apparent things, and you can’t take anything for granted with what we’re up against.
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And that is a Senate Resolution 25010. The sponsor on this is Senator Janice Marchman. And it’s important for people to understand that actually democracy can devolve into mob rule. And so we are a constitutional republic that has been democratically elected. And it’s important that people understand that. But democracy could be, you could have a room full of people and you could vote. You could say everybody with red hair has to pay more taxes than somebody else. If 51% vote for that, then that’s democracy. Our founders realized that we needed to make sure that we protected the minority. In this case, my example would be the red-haired person. And that is why we have a constitutional republic, Rob.
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Yes, it is. It is, Kim. And there again, we’re just constantly working on this. So thank goodness our legislators are capped with their…
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ability to do damage to only several months otherwise we’d have a real big job on our hands the problem rob though that i’m learning as we’re looking at these things through cut colorado union of taxpayers is that they then are then giving power to boards and commissions to go out and do a lot of this other kind of dirty work when they’re not in session so that’s why it’s so important that we keep an eye on them
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Indeed, Kim, it is. It is indeed. And thank you for all that you do by, you know, making people aware of what Colorado Union of Taxpayers is trying to do and what our mission is. And that it’s been for 49 years since 1976. And so we appreciate all you’re doing to help and to get the word out for us, Kim. Thank you.
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Right back at you, Rob Knuth. I really appreciate it. So thank you.
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Oh, you’re welcome. Have a great rest of your day.
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Boy, he was efficient, Carol Baker. He got right to it. You can tell he’s had it on his mind. And again, you can get a lot of information by going to our website. And please join us. We would really appreciate that as well. And I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation is going to have their second annual golf tournament on May 15th. May 15th is actually right around the corner. Next week is May, I think. It’s hard to believe. Yeah, time flies when you’re having fun.
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When you’re having fun.
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But it’s May 15th out at the Ridge in Castle Pines or Castle Rock. I hear for golfers it’s a great course. So a great day. You can have a great round of golf, meet some great people, support the USMC Memorial Foundation. And to get more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And also, if you are buying or selling a house, we’re in the spring selling season right now or buying season. You want to make sure that you have RE-MAX Realtor Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Carol Baker, one thing I didn’t mention regarding cut is we invested and created something called Cut Engaged. And we are selecting certain bills that you can very easily click on it and you can either just – agree affirm with what kind of said about a particular bill or you can add in some of your own commentary you just hit send and it’ll go directly to the bill the prime sponsors of the bill you can also add in your own state senator and your own representative as well So yesterday I put a challenge out. We have four bills right now. Let’s see, 257, Senate Bill 257, modifying general fund transfers to the state highway fund. So taking money away from our roads and bridges. House Bill 1215, redistribution of the lottery fund. So moving things around on that. 1312, this is that really bad transgender bill. And if you’re concerned about it, you can make your voice heard by just going to cut And then at the top, cut engaged and then clicking on that bill. And then the other one is 1023, which is this lawsuit on Tabor. So the challenge was, is how fast could you go through and send these emails to each of the legislators? And so Ben, one of our listeners, yesterday morning did it in one minute and 51 seconds. See if you can beat that. I’m gonna give it a try. Are you gonna give it a try? I’ll let you know. Let me know. And if any of you are doing that, text me 720-605-0647. Let me know how fast you were able to weigh in on these bills. All right. Pretty darn cool.
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It’s on.
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Okay, let’s get to our buddies here.
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All right. We have speakers from Liberty Toastmasters Clubs that have talked about us. a topic that we bring up quite regularly. It’s kind of wordy here, but it’s understanding the constitutional role of government, and it’s to define and protect and enforce individual rights through the establishment of the rule of law. It’s kind of wordy, but that is something we discuss quite a bit. I’d like to bring our first speaker today to talk about that, Rick Rome. Good morning.
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Well, thank you, Carol. Kim? I remember several years ago I went to a presentation on water rights and it was put on by this very lovely young paralegal and the topic had to do with rain barrels. And she was talking about how she credentialed herself by knowing the guy who wrote the law, basically it’s a hearsay type of a credentialing. And she got into this dissertation about how rain barrels are not technically illegal in Colorado. And at this point, she really needed to understand that Toastmaster lessons and know your audience because all these architects in the room started fidgeting in their chairs and whispering and husk bushes. I’m putting rain barrels on my project and I’m putting a cistern on my school and everybody’s getting really excited about this. And she could see quickly the room was getting away from her. And finally, when she realized she was issuing a legal opinion, she said, whoa, whoa, whoa, trying to reel the crowd back in. Some kind soul, I promise you it wasn’t me, let her off the hook and let the group know that it was actually an opinion out of the state engineer’s office about the legality and the use of rain barrels. And it has to do with detention time, all these kinds of things. I like this story because it illustrates a couple of points. The first thing it does, it kind of draws that distinction between what is law and what is actually resolution or opinion. or board authorities, you’ve mentioned it earlier, and all these boards going out talking about taxes. And there’s a fundamental misunderstanding about that, I think, in the community, because clearly you could see it from the crowd’s behavior that they didn’t understand what it was that they were dealing with. Understanding that, let’s just deal with the method of recourse, whether it’s through law, ordinance, or rule. It seems like the left takes all paths through the judiciary, and I think that we really need to change that because that is a majority rule goes to sue. It’s a very sad state of affairs. Other than that, there’s really not a whole lot of recourse that we have to bring this back in line. And we’re witnessing it actually in a larger context with the Doge Group, where as soon as you start to strike at the machine, the machine eventually strikes back in some of the most profound and hideous ways. So we have a challenge ahead of us, Kim, and thank you for all that work on cut because it is vitally important to what we’re doing right now.
SPEAKER 21 :
well thank you rick rome and we will continue to do that and then uh… also we just i’ll just interject here that we have just about raise the sixty thousand dollars for the appeal for holly case and sean smith and ash at uh… regarding uh… getting their legal fees they they were sued by three ngos that was uh… uh… let’s see me familiar voter i think it is the n double a c p in legal women voters And they ended up, the defendants, they actually won their case. And so they were thinking that they’d get their legal fees paid for because it was very expensive. And there is a rule, a court ruling called Christiansburg, that says even if an NGO sues you, that you can’t recoup your legal expenses. And so they are appealing that. They needed money for that. We’ve just about raised all of that. Thank you to all of you out there. and this really, I think, could be huge, Rick Rome, regarding maybe taking the fizzle out of some of the stuff that these out-of-control NGOs are doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
It might help if they had to pay their own way.
SPEAKER 21 :
Absolutely, Rick Rome. So, hey, Rick, keep up the great work. We’ll talk soon.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thanks, Kim. Thanks, Carol.
SPEAKER 16 :
Sure enough, one of our regular callers is someone I enjoy hearing from, and that is Greg Morrissey.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good morning. How are we doing, ladies?
SPEAKER 21 :
We are well. Just fine. And I know you love this Constitution, Greg Morrissey.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, I do. And I’ve got to talk about everyone needs to know the Constitution now more than ever.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I think one of the best ways to get to know it is go to Hillsdale College. They have a three-CD set you can purchase for your education on the Constitution. Get to know the Constitution. And if you’re like me, go attend your local city hall meetings. I went to a water board meeting. Go and speak to those people and get to know exactly how the politics work. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the press doesn’t tell you what’s going on. Until you get there, build relationships, understand people, have that Constitution running in the back of your mind to understand the whole process, and you can make that difference.
SPEAKER 21 :
So share with us a success story for you, Greg.
SPEAKER 11 :
The success story I’ve had here with, because I live in Longmont and I go to the Longmont City Council meeting, the things that I found out what was going on and affecting us in the city, it wasn’t being reported. And then I tell everyone, if you want to know what’s going on, you want to know how actually politics work, a great way to know that is to get involved with your local city council. Go to those city council meetings. I speak up at city council meetings all the time. And sometimes it’s good to just sit there and listen at how those bills are coming out, how they’re going to affect your budget, how that affects the quality of life in your town.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and we talk about government is local and very few people go to these city council meetings. So this is it is very important. And I love the other thing that you do is is you’re not adversarial. You are encouraging relationship building. And I think that’s really important to Greg. But the other thing is, though, is understand the Constitution. Have a relationship. But a lot of these people that are in elected representative positions, they don’t know the Constitution. And so to your point, we need to know the Constitution, have a good relationship, and then encourage them to make sure that all the things they’re doing adhere to this vision of our Declaration and Constitution, Greg.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct, yeah. And get to know those people, get to know the system, and get to know how the actual politics and the budget works and how it affects it and the problems that come up and what’s being done. And then sometimes I’ll sat there at some of these meetings and I’m thinking, I look around and go, wait a minute, this is an important issue. Where’s the press? They’re not there. They don’t show up. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
You’re doing a great job on that, Greg. And we all, I think we should take his advice, Carol. Thank you, Greg.
SPEAKER 11 :
You’re welcome. Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good to talk to you, Greg. Boy, boy, he just echoes a lot of my sentiments because that’s where my passion is, is at the local level. And there are some city council meetings in Aurora that I will listen to by Zoom. And it is not the same as being in there, being in there in the lobby for a few minutes before you go in and take your seat. And just kind of have been kind of just sizing things up and and letting some of those folks know. that we’re here watching you vote. That’s important, isn’t it? Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
That’s really, really important. I appreciate that. So our next guest, I always am excited to hear what he has to say. Oh, Ross Klopf.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, he gives thoughtful consideration to these topics. What’s on your mind today, Ross?
SPEAKER 12 :
Hi. Hi, everybody. I have something that’s really important in our Colorado Constitution is our Taxpayer Bill of Rights. It protects us from a host of taxpayer issues, including fraud from local governments. It protects us from increased taxes. It protects us from increased spending and increased debt, requires a voter approval for any one of those things. And it is under siege right now with a piece of legislation. It’s H.J.R. 25-20. 1023 so it’s not even a bill and there’s what it does is it’s that piece of legislation says that the state has to sue the taxpayers and in effort to remove this taxpayer bill of rights which is a crucial cornerstone to our colorado constitution and protects us from a whole host of tax issues and so first of all they’re suing the taxpayers they’re not saying how much it’s going to cost And the reason they’re doing it is they don’t want to do what the people want. Tabor says the elected officials have to do what the constituents want. Obviously, these individuals don’t want to do what the constituents want. And that’s why they’re trying to get this through. And that’s a big problem because representatives are supposed to do what the electorate wants them to. That’s the definition of a representative. So that is extremely scary that they’re even proposing this thing. There are a couple. There is going to be one hearing at the Senate. It’s probably going to be with the Finance Committee in about probably next week. It’s hard to say exactly. And they’re probably not going to give a whole lot of warning on it, unfortunately. I’m going to do my best to attend it. They’re only going to give two minutes for testimony as well. But two minutes, you could still say it happens. halfway decent amount in two minutes and that’s one great thing about toastmasters is we do get to practice that in what’s called table topics so that is a great way to prepare for those kind of things so yeah that is what’s on my mind now and i’m pretty worried about it but i think we do have a pretty decent chance of getting that overturned if we get enough people to attend that hearing
SPEAKER 21 :
So, and Ross, one other thing is at Cut Engaged, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, our website, that website is coloradotaxpayer.org. That is one of the pieces of legislation that is at the top where people can weigh in. So you don’t have to weigh in on all of the bills that we have there, but if you want to weigh in on that, that’s 1023, just click on it and it’ll maybe take you 30 seconds. And if they hear from all of us, That will be very helpful because not everybody can make it down to the statehouse next week. So that’s another tool that people can use to make their voices heard, Ross.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, definitely. That’s a great idea.
SPEAKER 21 :
OK, thanks, Ross. It’s always I always learn something. And he’s he’s he always understands the big issues. This thing, this joint resolution, 25, 10, 23. This is a big deal. And again, Tabor was put in place to protect us, the taxpayers. We the taxpayers voted on it. Now we’ve got Democrats that want to get rid of it.
SPEAKER 16 :
And something I appreciate about Ross is he has come into Toastmasters meetings on Saturday mornings. We meet on the first and third Saturday morning of the month at Independence Institute. And there have been times during our Table Topics times that we have a chance to practice two- to three-minute speaking. And he will talk about his opportunity to speak in the next week. And we have other members, too, who will practice basically speaking on whatever topic it is. And so we have one more just preview opportunity. of what’s coming up in the next week or two at the state legislature or our county commissioners or our city councils. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
And many times they only give you two minutes, and that’s why Table Topics is such great practices because we basically have two minutes at Liberty Toastmasters. We would love to have guests. And so Liberty Denver meets the first and third Saturdays of each month. And then Liberty North second and fourth Saturdays up in Longmont. So we have some other great guests that will be on here in just a moment. We get to do all this because of our sponsors. Liberty Toastmasters is a sponsor of the show. And Lauren Levy is who you need to reach out to for everything regarding mortgages.
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SPEAKER 21 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And speaking of speaking, I was sharing with you that I have some different speaking gigs, and I’ve been doing some emceeing as well. And so last week I was down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo emceeing an event on one of their On Values presentations with Norma Donlon. And she is of Japanese heritage, and she was born in one of the Japanese internment camps in World War II. These On Values presentations they have down there They are life-changing. And then also Drew Dix, co-founder of the center, has started a new podcast series. And you want to check that out as well. And it’s Words from the Silo. You can find all that at AmericanValueCenter.org. Super interesting stuff, Carol Baker.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is interesting. And having guest speakers, having a chance to go and hear people tell their stories. In person? Yes. I love it. And more than just one minute, like a commercial or a campaign ad or anything like this. Yes. What a wonderful opportunity.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you can see it online as well. But if I could do it in person, I’d like to be there. Me too. Me too. I like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And on the line here today, we have a chance to hear Marshall Dawson. Let’s see what you have to say about the Constitution and understanding the constitutional role of government in defining and protecting and enforcing our individual rights.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, good morning, Carol. And Kim, when you were talking about emceeing, you reminded me of when you and I moderated a candidate forum a couple of years ago. It was a lot of fun and great to get out there and do that service for the folks.
SPEAKER 21 :
That was so creative. That was a lot of fun, Marshall.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. You know, I have so much that I could say on this. So I’m going to try to keep my comments to less than 45 minutes here. But I was reminded of President Reagan often speaking of America as being a shining city on a hill. And what he meant by that was, you know, that America draws people here from around the world. Now, we know that Barack Obama couldn’t really define what exceptionalism is. But it’s really seen as protecting rights. It’s a predictable environment. It’s a land of opportunity. It’s stability. And really, what are the building blocks of that exceptionalism? Well, it’s in part due to things like freedom. It’s like property rights. It’s the rule of law. Do I get a fair shake if I come to America? Now, okay. There’s an open question of whether you really have property rights. Do you really own yourself, your labor, your time? We’re talking theory, not practice here. But if we’re talking about the rule of law, do we necessarily mean law and order? Well, unfortunately, no, right? We’re not talking about excessive government. You could look at the COVID lockdowns. That was a form, a totalitarian form of law and order, right? So too much law and order is actually a violation of our rights. But rather, The rule of law is the assumption that we are all equal under the law. It’s the belief that we will have equal application of the law. You and I are subject to the same restrictions. There’s this expectation that justice is applied equally no matter what status or what office somebody holds. So I guess that I should end with a disclaimer, right? This is not to say that all laws are just. you can easily have bad statutes which will foster corruption. We’ve seen lawfare from pugnacious partisans. Rick pointed out earlier, we may not have much recourse. I met somebody in Lafayette when I was campaigning who had her business destroyed through legitimate law and order because of bad statutes and a bad system that was set up by our government. So it’s no guarantee that your rights are going to be protected, only that we have the expectation of equality. And, you know, things may very well be adjudicated, the T’s dotted and the I’s crossed, but, you know, courts are not always on our side. So when we think about this, we need lawmakers who will keep this in mind, have very crisp laws, very crisp statutes, and, you know, for the judges that are appointed, for votes for retaining justices here in Colorado, we need to have that in mind as well.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and I think, Marshall, this goes back to what Greg says, is we… And these people are supposed to be representatives of us, the people, and they’re supposed to stay within the constraints of this vision that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So what that… Downstream from that means is that means that we are all treated equally under the law. And as you mentioned with COVID, when COVID, they said that some businesses were, some people were essential or some businesses were essential and some weren’t. I was beside myself, Marshall Dawson.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s when I lost my faith in our better, you know, ability to do what’s right for us.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep. Marshall Dawson, thank you so much. I always learn a lot and excited about our next guest as well.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think we need an oversight committee for Marshall Dawson, though, to oversee anybody who’s going to cross his I’s and dot his T’s. I think he might need some oversight. I missed that. Thank you, Marshall. Our next speaker is Dave Walton, and he always shares something from a point of view that I would not have considered, and yet he explains it in a way that I get to actually learn something. I have appreciated that today. I’m looking forward to hearing from you, Dave.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I’m not sure about I’s and T’s, Carol, but I go back to A, B, C. Okay. And that has to do with, you know, I have pointed out, and Marshall is a big supporter of this, we’ve discussed it at length, that the Constitution in the body of it is little more than Robert’s rules of order for governance. It just describes technically how we are to function administratively. Now, when you get to the Bill of Rights, however— That Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, is the only place in the Constitution where you will find the words right or the word rights. And I think that is significant because, like all of our law should be based on the laws that are in the Constitution, the Constitution itself was based on Jefferson’s declaration in large measure. And that phrase, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, is a moral prescription. The Constitution itself is to be a legal one. Although with the first 10 amendments, the Bill of Rights, that legal prescription turned into moral obligations, i.e. the word rights. We once, here recently on Faceplant, which is what I call Facebook, we had a discussion. Should judges judge cases from an originalist point of view, meaning in the context of how the founders intended the Constitution, or should they judge a case based on an evolving interpretation? In other words, is the Constitution living, Or is it dead because the times have changed? And I always point out that to the extent you allow the Constitution to be a living document, it becomes a dead letter. You simply murdered it. And the bottom line is that the means of changing the Constitution are contained within it. Robert’s Rules of Order prescribes. If you don’t like the law or you think another law should replace it, then there’s a means of doing that within the Constitution. But to allow the Constitution to become a living one is simply murdering. And so I would sum up my point by saying simply, interpret the Constitution in the spirit it was intended. And that’s found in Jefferson’s Declaration. Thank you, guys.
SPEAKER 21 :
Thank you, Dave Walden. That is awesome. So how do you want to wrap this up? We have about a minute.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, it seems to me that the Constitution, as I learn more about it, was developed by men who understand human nature. And they knew that we needed some protections. And I think the smartest thing they ever did was come up with a three-prong approach. And if we think of the Constitution as a plumb line, and yet… Maybe the executive branch pulls out too far, or maybe the judicial branch pulls out too far doing their thing, or the legislative branch pulls too far doing their thing. The other two can pull it back in. And we don’t want any one of them to get out of hand. The Constitution is what we use to cause those things to be in checks and balances. And I believe that worked 250 years ago, and I think it still works now because of how…
SPEAKER 21 :
human nature works i like to see those two out of three keep you know the third in check well i think that we’re in the third founding of our country you’ve talked about that i think there may be something to that absolutely so hey carol thanks for being here thanks for having us so fast I’ve got a great quote here by Calvin Coolidge. I think you’re going to like this. Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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SPEAKER 21 :
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SPEAKER 20 :
Good morning. You know, we can’t see the mountains today.
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, no, we can’t.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s so hazy out there today. Last time you were here, it was dark still about this time, wasn’t it? Oh, gosh, yeah. That must have been before daylight savings.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah. I think we should just quit changing the clocks. I know that Rachel, one of our other producers, she had jet lag for a week after the changed daylight savings time.
SPEAKER 20 :
It was in Congress, in federal Congress. I don’t know what happened to that bill. It was a campaign promise from Trump also to make it permanent.
SPEAKER 21 :
I hope he gets that done. One thing, I was looking at his declaration or what he put out on Earth Day, and yesterday when we talked to Trent Luce, there’s something that’s not excited about, and that’s the CO2 pipelines. But he did say in that declaration that He’s going to get rid of paper straws. And I was out in California recently, and I’d gotten a great smoothie. And it was a nice, thick smoothie with a paper straw. And I could not drink half of it because the straw disintegrated. So I think that’s a good idea, Kurt Gurwitz.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, you know, I’m fascinated by the marketing story of these things, right? The straws became a trigger point issue for us when a video went viral of that plastic straw that was in the turtle’s nose. I don’t know if a lot of people saw it. And so I think your listeners might know what I’m talking about. But it was interesting. It’s hard to watch an innocent, weak creature with this piece of plastic. And it was like they pulled it out of his nose, and it was kind of graphic. It was a long straw in a small nose. And, yeah, so that’s where it came from, this whole part. It’s the focal point of the straw debate. Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
So now I’m getting so cynical year by year. I’m wondering if those that wanted to get rid of paper straws or of plastic straws actually put the straw in the turtle’s nose so then they could take it out. What do you think?
SPEAKER 20 :
I mean, it’s entirely possible, and I think it’s good. I do a lot of thinking about AI, a lot of research about AI, and I think having the right level of skepticism is going to be very important as we move forward, and I think it’s part of critical thinking. It’s part of my passion as a professor to get that into people’s heads. You and I both came from the investment industry, and I’ve always said if you can’t think cynically, you should not be working in investments. Exactly.
SPEAKER 21 :
This is true. True. OK, I’m going to move over to something serious. Then we’ll get to some of these other things. But this just came in on the text line and said, have you seen this? And the abortion clinic up in Boulder. Dr. Hearn, who’s been doing abortions up there and does late-term abortions since 1975, is closing. And so I find it interesting on the straw debate. Everybody got so concerned about a straw and a turtle’s nose. And we— We have to be good stewards of our earth. I totally agree on that. And so to have a movement regarding getting rid of plastic straws because a plastic straw was in a turtle’s nose because we have compassion for the turtle, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 21 :
But yet here in Colorado, since 1975, we’ve been aborting babies even up until now, the moment of birth. I think that we need to make sure we talk a little bit about compassion about that as well. So anyway, the fact that – I’m not going to make you weigh in on this. I appreciate that. The fact that this clinic is closing is really blessed news. So I wanted to share that with all of you out there. Our word of the day. Were you listening? Did you hear what the word was?
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, wait. I did hear it because Carol weighed in on it.
SPEAKER 21 :
And Marshall used it. Pug.
SPEAKER 20 :
Pugnacious.
SPEAKER 21 :
Pugnacious.
SPEAKER 20 :
What a great word, huh? And give me the definition again real quick. Okay, and you spell it because— Because you said the Democrats were being pugnacious in our local Congress.
SPEAKER 21 :
Very pugnacious down there. Yeah. So Congress is in Washington, D.C., and this is Colorado Statehouse. Statehouse. It took me a while to figure all that out. So hold on here. Pugnacious is P-U-G-N-A-C-I-O-U-S. It could be combative in nature, belligerent. Disposed to fight, inclined to fighting, quarrelsome fighting. It’s difficult to be around somebody that’s pugnacious on a regular basis, though.
SPEAKER 20 :
But, you know, you and I have talked about this before. Donald Trump taught the world, if you want to draw a crowd, start a fight. It’s very entertaining. People will, you know, when we were kids. This is true. When we were kids, you’d hear somebody scream, fight, fight, fight, and everybody would run over. They got to see what’s going on. And really the popularity of that K-Fab kind of theater that is professional wrestling, the popularity of WWF.
SPEAKER 15 :
What’s K-Fab?
SPEAKER 20 :
K-Fab is just that. It’s the name of the type of theater. that professional wrestling is. I have a rule in my life that I won’t talk politics with somebody until they know what K-Fab is, because I think we’re in a K-Fab era in national politics that we, so the theater is defined by, there’s a, they call it a, there’s all this language around the professional wrestling. Like it’s a face is the good guy and the heel is the bad guy. And the crowd is part of, is one of the characters and they just always cheer yay for the good guy and they cheer boo for the bad guy. And you have to, everybody knows that it’s a game and it’s fake. And in case, in case one of your listeners just got spoiled that, that I told them that, that professional wrestling is fake. Sorry, it is. And so, but now we’ve entered this phase in, in politics where we are cheering for the good guy and we’re cheering against the bad guy. And it’s,
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, isn’t that what we should do is cheer for the good guy and against the bad? Of course, I guess that’s the definition of that, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
I think life, I prefer a narrative in my entertainment. I prefer a narrative with bad guys that have a little depth to them. Like a conflicted bad guy or a bad guy that you can kind of see their reasoning on where they got to where they are? I think as humans we should have – you used the word compassion. That’s a big word for me. I think we should – empathy is – there was somebody at the Nuremberg trials who was asking the question, what is evil? and trying to get a good definition on it. And I’ve never thought about it. I just thought it was like, you know, you know it when you see it. Our Supreme Court definition of porn is we couldn’t figure out how to define it, so we’re just going to say you know it when you see it.
SPEAKER 21 :
So now we’re going to put it in our school libraries.
SPEAKER 20 :
But we got a good definition of evil out of some thinking during the Nuremberg trials of the Nazis, and they said lack of empathy. And so if we – KFAB is entertainment and it draws a crowd. That was the point of this conversation. But I’m of the opinion that we need to be – we also need to be bigger and think more nuanced and realize that everybody is having their own journey. And everyone’s doing – I think by definition everyone is doing the best that they can. Yes, we may have to disagree with them to quite a degree as is necessary, and I’m glad you’re fighting the fight. But I also think you’re going to win that fight better if you have empathy, if you understand. Yesterday somebody said to me, I can’t imagine why the left is out there protesting. And I thought, well, that’s a lack of imagination on your part. These people – these people – They think that Donald Trump is Hitler. That’s their belief. And if you can’t understand that, you’re not going to be able to convince them and you’re not going to be able to love them. And that hurts your soul and it hurts all of us when we fight too much. It hurts us when we’re all too pugnacious.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, we’ve got a lot to talk about here. So, okay, the challenge is to use the word pugnacious in a sentence today. And I’ll try not to be pugnacious as we start to break down these issues on this. But I love this quote from Calvin Coolidge. You know what? I always like to have it as birthdates, and I didn’t grab that. hold on here i want that and but he was um oh darn it now it says i’m not connected to the internet okay well i won’t give us birthdays right now but calvin coolidge was our 30th president and uh he uh actually was a small government republican and he he actually i think had reduced federal spending and he said this he said don’t expect to build up the week by pulling down the strong and that is uh calvin cool fourth of july He was born the 4th of July? Oh my gosh. that so that’s making me think you know jefferson and john adams both died on the fourth of july and so did now i’m monroe i think died on the fourth of july and coolidge was born on the fourth of july god has god has such a these little god winks that i think are so interesting about that but we’re going to continue the discussion on all of this it all happens because of our sponsors and the roger mangan state farm insurance team He’s going to be celebrating his 49th year in business. And that happens because you do a really good job taking care of your clients. So if you’d like to figure out what your insurance coverage is and figure out if you need anything different, you can sit down with them for a complimentary appointment. And that number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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SPEAKER 21 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. And I thank all of you who support us. And both financially, you guys do that. And then also great words of encouragement, prayers. I really appreciate all of that. And I thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show as well. And in studio with me is Professor Kurt Gerwitz. And you and Trent Luce, I do the same thing. I’ll say, okay, this will be the subject. And the next thing I know, I’m over here. But we’ve got to talk about evil. Because I was talking to a young person once. I look at you as a very young person, so a young person who’s just a little bit younger than you, that said, I have just come to realize that there is real evil in the world. And I think that he may have been more along the definition of your evil as maybe understanding there’s a reason why they’re doing these things. There is things that are just downright evil. So let’s talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, it’s a judgment. whether something is evil or not. Really? Yeah, if two asteroids run into each other, then there’s no judge, like, who cares? There’s no good or, there is not a good or a bad. Good or bad is always a judgment.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, what about Hitler? So you mentioned Hitler. What about Hitler and… I mentioned the Nuremberg Trials. Well, you mentioned that there are those that… The consequences of Hitler, yeah. On the left that think Trump is Hitler, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, I did mention Hitler. Yeah, you did say that. Dang it.
SPEAKER 21 :
You meant not to.
SPEAKER 20 :
I enjoy this. I have a presentation about the rules of the Internet.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
And there’s one of them. I’m forgetting its name right now. And it says that all discussions on the Internet, if you give it four iterations, someone’s going to mention Hitler. It’s going to devolve into somebody mentioning Hitler. It’s a placeholder for pure evil.
SPEAKER 21 :
OK, because I think that what they did, just, you know, killing people was pure evil.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I’ve been so I kind of want to do a whole show on my mentor that I lost. I lost a good friend of mine. He lived a good, full, long life and he passed away in his I think he was approaching 90 years. And he was in the CIA and he let that slip out at dinner one night when he had had too much to drink because he and I spent a lot of time together. Well, he, oh shoot, what was I going to talk about him for?
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, we talked about pure evil and I said Hitler and concern about killing all these people. So did your friend have some different insight into that?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, he was a deep thinker. He was a professional negotiator. His name was Paul Weinman. They wrote a book about his life. But he would see the nuance behind people. I think the point that we’re trying to make here, that I’m trying to make here, is lack of empathy, turned out, is the best definition of evil I’ve heard. But evil is a judgment that… You know, if something is good or bad, there’s a lot of things that happen and they just happen. There’s, you know, the Taoist philosophy of life would be just to accept radical acceptance. It’s really good psychology a little bit there, too. But you can decide something. It’s to be determined.
SPEAKER 21 :
But, Kurt, this – and I have struggled with this. This has been a journey because I had kind of this acceptance thing and then everybody’s on this different journey. And then I have come to realize that we actually have to put a stake in the ground on truth. So this whole relativism, postmodernism, has gotten us to where we are. It’s gotten us to the fact that at this point, I was talking to someone yesterday on this whole transgender thing. And he said, my granddaughter just had her breasts removed. And I said, what? I said, how old? He said, 20 years old. That’s evil. There’s no nuance. But I do know that those people that are chopping off the breasts of healthy children and penises of our boys, that they actually think that they’re helping these kids. But they’re not. But it is evil.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, you could say they actually think they’re helping these kids. I saw a behind-the-scenes recorded video of a hospital complex having an annual meeting, and they were talking about the dollars that they get for the transgender surgeries. There’s a lot of money to be made in transgender surgeries, and the lady said, if you object… As a doctor, if you do a conscientious objection and you refuse to do this kind of surgery, same conversation around whether or not a doctor would refuse to do abortions or not. And this was the head of the hospital complex, and she just said, you’re going to have to work somewhere else. You’re sure this was authentic? Well, I love that cynics hat. No, I love the skepticism. And we can’t know. I feel like I live in a post-truth world where everything I come across, I’m like, boy, I just don’t know if anything’s true or not. It’s hard to tell. So it definitely felt that way to me. It came across me once. It came from a trusted source. I don’t know if it was authentic or not.
SPEAKER 21 :
But those are important, as you mentioned that. Some of those checks that you do go through is trusted source. Try to make sure that you authenticate it because I think many of us have gotten caught by some of the stuff that’s been shared that you quoted and it was not authentic. And so we have to, as I say on the show, we have to search for truth and clarity.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, truth and clarity. Love it. So absence of empathy is evil. So what’s empathy? Tell me what empathy is. So it took me a long time to figure this out. My wife will say that maybe I’m on the spectrum, meaning I don’t read people’s emotions as well as I should. And it’s about reading people’s emotions, empathy. So the way I explain it is— Did she say you were pugnacious? She does say that. Sometimes I am pugnacious. Sometimes you have to be. You have to pick and choose your battles. But empathy. Empathy is being able to feel what the other person is going through. And one way I understood this is to learn the difference between sympathy and empathy. Sympathy is more – there’s a distance there. It’s an academic exercise or it’s an intellectual exercise to say I’m sorry for your loss. If somebody – if you go to a funeral and you wrote a note that says I’m sorry for your loss, that’s a sympathy card because you’re saying that you’re sorry for their loss. Now, if you go to a funeral and – and you hug the widow and you have tears in your eyes, that’s empathy. So if you actually can feel what the other person is going through, that’s empathy.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, so take this then to evil. I think that there are those, for example, I think a narcissist can read another person’s goodwill to try to be empathetic and that they can manipulate a person on that. What would you say to that?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I mean, I think that’s evil. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well done. OK, I think that’s probably evil as well. So let’s let’s button up this particular discussion, because I do want to get over to AI and also like to talk about this is something that’s on your heart is is legacy as well. But Kurt. There is pure evil in this world. Now, somebody may justify to themselves that they’re helping somebody or doing something. For example, this, and again, I’m not going to make you comment on this, but aborting babies, there are those that are thinking that they’re helping the woman. But in essence, there’s other alternatives to an unplanned pregnancy that doesn’t involve aborting, killing another human being. And so I think that that is evil to make that happen, to do those. So I think this is good news that this abortion clinic up in Boulder is closing. So there are some things that… That we have to put a stake in the ground and say, this is evil, this is not okay. So your final thought on that, and then we’ll go to break and we’ll come back and talk about AI.
SPEAKER 20 :
Whenever you bring up abortion, I’d rather talk about insider trading.
SPEAKER 21 :
I know.
SPEAKER 20 :
And there is some evil in there. Something happened recently. with the Trump tariffs and I hope it comes out. Someone, we don’t know who, someone made a lot of money on the inside of the Trump administration. We’re gonna find out whether the Trump administration stands for truth or not. I really only have two political issues in the world. Insider trading, congressional insider trading, I think, is one of the greatest tragedies that’s currently happening on planet Earth.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 20 :
The other one is bicycle infrastructure. You and I have gotten pugnacious with each other around that a couple times.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, we have. We’ll probably have to do that again here soon.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, you challenged me to ride my bike here. It’s like an hour drive here. It would be like four or five hours to ride my bike here. I’m going to do it one day just to prove it can be done.
SPEAKER 21 :
But you’d have to leave it there.
SPEAKER 20 :
middle of the night i’d have to leave at 3 a.m and and i could just and when it’s snowing that’s the worst right um but i but i’ll prove that it’s possible um yeah but just think of all the other stuff you’re not getting done for those three hours getting exercise done and i’m i’m doing i’m solving the world’s problems by being on a bicycle oh my gosh okay but insider trading cars are evil oh
SPEAKER 21 :
Being able to go where you want to, when you want to is… Mobility’s not evil.
SPEAKER 20 :
Everything is a series of trade-offs.
SPEAKER 21 :
But insider trading.
SPEAKER 20 :
Talk about Nancy Pelosi. Someone wins. Yeah. Well, how do politicians get rich? I think we have to… Like, a lot of what you do here is you highlight, like, what there’s… Like, you just said, we’re talking about this, but over here, this is happening. Like… My wife has a meme that she loves. She says, everybody’s talking about Prince Harry when there’s a whole Prince Andrew right over here. Meaning that, you know, there are bigger problems to talk about. So, yeah, I think you do good work with that.
SPEAKER 21 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity. By looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Text line is 720-605-0647. And May 15th, is the golf tournament for the USMC Memorial Foundation. And it’s one of the first golf tournaments of the season. And so get out there and just have a great day. Support the memorial. Know some great people. Maybe you’ll even get that hole-in-one and get that new pickup or that new vehicle anyway from Lynn Lyle Chevrolet. So be sure and check all that out at USMCMemorialFoundation.org. The professor is in studio with me. Professor Kurt Gerwitz. Okay, some things coming in on the text line. We want to hear from you. 720-605-0647. So first thing regarding the turtle and the straw. It says, I cut up the plastic that holds six-pack plastic bottles. I’ve been doing this for years. That way I do not worry about it getting caught around an animal’s body. I also cut up plastic straws, but thank God for plastic straws. I do the same thing. I cut up that plastic that holds those bottles as well.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. You tell me, Kim. You tell me, Kim, that you are cutting your plastic straws. I’m not.
SPEAKER 21 :
I haven’t done that. Yeah, no one’s done that. I hadn’t thought about that one.
SPEAKER 20 :
I believe this person, though. That’s what you need. That’s what the right, you know, the conservative side of, like, we want to bring back plastic straws, then maybe we cut them up and call that, you know, that’s personal responsibility. I love that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, so next thing, I still wonder if the Enviro stuck that straw up that turtle’s nose, so I’m still going to be cynical. Okay, next thing, it says, some people take pleasure in the pain or even causing pain to others. That is evil. From someone who’s looked a few of those monsters in the eyes, this is a friend of mine who’d been in law enforcement.
SPEAKER 20 :
You know, what I like about this article this comment is that it brings up the, it brings back that idea of like evil is you know it when you see it, but we’ve all seen it.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and so she said, yeah, there are people that take pleasure in hurting other people. Okay, next thing. Sandra said, woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness and who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. And that’s in Isaiah 520. So she pretty well nails it, I think, about there is evil. And we’ve got to make sure that we search for truth and understand what that is. Next thing, some commit heinous crimes because they are dumb, others because they are evil.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s not connected to your hiney. It’s just heinous.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. And then let’s see here. This is another scripture. I’ll get to that. We’ll look at that here in just a little bit. It’s a little bit longer. Okay, so let’s move over.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s what you get, listener, for writing in too long. No, it’s important.
SPEAKER 21 :
You’re going to get skipped. It’s important. I want to hear from you. 720-605-0647. During the break, though, you said, as we were texting back and forth to plan subjects for the show, you said AI. Yes. And I do find it interesting that AI, they’re talking about these data centers or data centers that are going to do all this AI. They’re going to take a lot of electricity, a lot of water. And again, those on the left don’t say that they’re so concerned about human beings using electricity and water are not concerned about AI using water and electricity. And you said you’re watching some periodical or something about AI. AI something?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, well, I’m on these podcasts, and I do my AI research, and I just listened to Dwakesh, and he’s just… To who? His name’s Dwakesh. D-W-A-K-E-S-H. Okay. So he’s got perhaps a Middle Eastern or Southeast or Southern Asian background. He brings on the best thinkers in AI. And so we have – it’s amazing how we live in this world where we can have access to that. And so I listen to these religious – I mean I go through them with a fine-tooth comb. Well, he had someone on who the audience was very excited to have on. And his hypothesis is that we’re going to have – like the world is going to be so completely different by 2027. We’re going to have the intelligence explosion. We’re going to reach AGI, which is – artificial generalized intelligence so ai is artificial intelligence and intelligence is intelligence is kind of one of these loosely defined things as well it’s like it’s problem solving but it’s predicting the future but it’s also when we talk about artificial intelligence we’re comparing it to human intelligence and general what humans can do is a variety of things i can mow the lawn and i can uh do the dishes. I don’t know why these are all chores right now. I can do my taxes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Katie, look what he’s going to be doing at home, right? Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
I’m making my honey-do list right now. No, but humans can’t. We can have a debate like this. We can have a conversation like this. And then we can also go and drive the car. Those are two extremely different skill sets. And the current state of AI in the world is it’s very specialized. Like we have one kind of AI that is looking for folding proteins, which is one of the most complicated problems on planet Earth mathematically. It’s just physics. It’s just math. It’s like chess. We know all the rules, but it’s still so complicated. That it enters the realm of chaos theory where it’s completely unpredictable because there’s just too many variables. And so we have AIs that are specifically doing that. And I’m really excited about the medical promises or the medical hope that I have around breakthroughs around that AI. But that AI could not drive a car or have an opinion about philosophy. Whereas if we go to ChatGPT, which is just a chat bot, it certainly has – it can give you – it’s like having a conversation with somebody who’s read – wikipedia or the entire internet it’s it’s fascinating so agi is the artificial generalized intelligent meaning that what’s that that robot that can do do it even more like a human where they can do different things and this so this uh guest on the dokesh podcast was like he just mapped it out he’s a futurist i love reading um people what’s a futurist people who are predicting the future but not not they’re not like the the charlatans who are selling you you know, your tarot, reading your tarot cards or your palm. They, they are there. They serve a function in the world of like trying to predict the future. And, and as a history, I was a history major in undergrad. And one of the assignments was to, to write a history of the future. It like, tell us what you think is going to happen. And it’s a fact because again, one of the purposes of studying history is to not repeat those problems of the future in the future and, And so this guy is a futurist, and he had it month by month. He had it tracked down of how we’re going to have this intelligence explosion. There’s another thing called the singularity where humans and all the information technologies, they kind of fuse together. We’re going to be – we’re just going to have – there’s a – I’m trying to remember the Johnny Depp movie, the name of it – But it describes it in great detail, like how weird the future could get. And we all like to think about science fiction. It’s fun to think about the future and how things could be better. And this guy is doing it, and he says it’s just really short term. Now, the very next guest was like, no, everything he said is 30 years away. The complete opposite. So I like a little – they weren’t – oh, what’s the word of the day? No, they weren’t pugnacious. They’re not fighting about it, but they’re having a good debate about what the future holds for humanity. You talk about we’re in the third founding. I think we’ve been in this information revolution that’s been similar to the industrial revolution, and now we’re getting these surprisingly effective solutions. Artificial intelligence, AI, the chatbots that can process this information for us. And it’s going to change everything. It is changing everything.
SPEAKER 21 :
So AI processing this, and you mentioned artificial intelligence, human intelligence. But the thing that AI could never do would be to create something, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
I disagree. Really? So it currently cannot. It seems like it cannot right now. I think it’s deep.
SPEAKER 21 :
It can’t create, though. I’m thinking even like the black hole. How is the earth found or created? And they say it came from nothing. Well, you can’t get something from nothing. And so I don’t see how AI could create something without mankind, which if we’re created in the image of God. I think that means that we are still creators. I just can’t see how AI can have that spark to create something.
SPEAKER 20 :
Can you create something?
SPEAKER 21 :
I do, every day.
SPEAKER 20 :
You created some children also. So there’s physical creation and there’s idea creation. Right, both. And I think AI will be able to do both. I think they’re saying right now – there’s somebody who’s saying that they’re able to do it and they’re coming out of Google. We can’t confirm that they’ve actually been able to do it. But it’s basically they’re saying – If an AI is not good at doing something, then we just have to look at how it was trained. That’s the language. So the creation of ideas, it generally comes from the combination of ideas. You’re taking ideas from one place and you’re applying it somewhere new. And AI is not doing that right now. But if we asked it to do that, I think it will absolutely be able to do that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. Okay, well, we will continue this discussion on AI. Anything you want to do to wrap this up before we go to break on this particular?
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, we were talking at break, you and I, about empathy. So AI doesn’t have a soul, right? But it will seem like it does. It will fool some people into thinking it has a soul. And So in theory, then it can be sympathetic. It can say, oh, I feel sorry for you. But it actually can’t feel it doesn’t have those emotions. Sounds to me like a politician or a psychopath or something evil.
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SPEAKER 21 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. The text line is 720-605-0647. This is from Jenny. And this was regarding, I had been talking about, we said the legislature is going to finish this session here in a couple of weeks. But I mentioned all these boards and commissions that continue to do all the dirty work, I would say. And she said, all these boards and commissions are unconstitutional and their purpose is to move our government farther away from the people. She’s absolutely correct. And then she also said that you’re talking relativism as we’re talking about empathy. So that’s from Jenny. And we’ve got Ron on the line. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Kim. To your guests, people, if they were really serious about cleaning up, I’ve seen how they dump trash everywhere. in the ocean and tons of trash. And if they’re getting a straw from Colorado, it’s not going to get to the ocean. So they just dump, like I said, hundreds and thousands of tons of trash. So what they need to do is they need to make them stop dumping trash And maybe put like serial numbers on the trash so if they find it, they know who did it. And start cleaning up all the plastics and also discarded nets that are entangling sea life. But that’s just things I’ve seen.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. Thank you, Ron. And I think what you’re saying is we definitely want to be good stewards of our earth. And I really think Americans want to do that as well. And I also think that we can get creative on what we do with trash. Maybe we ask AI, Kurt Gerwitz, what to do with trash so that it would be something creative regarding trash. What do you think?
SPEAKER 20 :
I think AI would, you know, if you ask the chat bot, it’s going to search the Internet for what are the best answers that are already out there. And those were human generated. So you’re right about humans are still better idea creators. And I think there are some really creative stuff happening with what you can do with trash. I actually went and visited in Taos. There’s the Earthship. It’s a bunch of hippies and they’ve built their property. They built their houses out of trash. And it’s very inspiring because it’s low. It’s good use. It’s very efficient, right, if not effective. It’s not efficient with labor, though. It takes a lot. You end up having to, like, swing a sledgehammer and fill a tire with dirt, right? And then you build a wall with those tires. And you can plaster over that and make it look nice. But you basically build a wall with zero cost of materials.
SPEAKER 21 :
You bring up hippies. I’ve always wondered how they make a living. It’s a broad term.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s a great question. I don’t think there’s anybody dying of hunger in the United States. No. I think we have obesity problems. I think we’ve solved hunger. And I think we’ve done it with a combination. On the one hand, I’d like to say it’s free markets, right? We love the idea that… I love to say if restaurants and farms in the United States, if they were run by the DMV, we would all starve to death.
SPEAKER 21 :
That’s true.
SPEAKER 20 :
If there was not a profit motive to grow more food, we would not have solved…
SPEAKER 21 :
a lot of farming problems we couldn’t feed the 300 million people in the country but we see policies that are coming out that are trying to make it more difficult for our ranchers and our farmers and our producers and i need to talk with jim may he called in yesterday and said and i think i know which bill it is now that there was a piece of legislation that they’re changing uh designation of uh
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, Jemay’s losing his agriculture exemption.
SPEAKER 21 :
And what we really need to be doing is lowering taxes across the board. But what you see down here at the statehouse, they’re rating all of these different funds with the help of some of these Republicans. Because instead of reducing spending, they want to get rid of Tabor. They want to, you know. get as much blood out of this turnip of us as possible, and they just want to continue to fund more and more government. We’ve got to say no. We’ve got to get this under control, Kurt Gerwitz.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think my thing with empathy, I don’t want it to be relativism, but I think you can’t blame people for acting in their own economic best interests. I don’t think it’s helpful to blame people, even if they have a mind virus, even if they’ve got… But even if they’re wrong, I’m saying you can’t blame them. Let me finish the thought. Okay, sorry. You still have to stop them. I think if someone breaks into your house and tries to hurt your family, I mean, that’s the greatest imaginable form of evil, like the most tangible, prescient, emotional form of evil. Jesus calls us to love our enemies, and I think what we’re supposed to do is understand— That doesn’t mean you don’t stop them at all, like with all possible force to stop them. I think like getting rid of revenge is what Jesus was about. I think we’re talking about understanding is not acceptance. That’s the distinction I’m trying to make.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, so I wanted to go back to people acting in their own economic best interest. That means, though, you can’t steal from other people. Of course not. Okay, and that’s what happens with government, is you wouldn’t go over to your neighbor and say, hey, give me this money so that I can build a bike trail.
SPEAKER 20 :
How do you address people who are hoarding resources? If you and I are living in caveman times, I always think about this. I think about this way too much. If you and I are living in caveman times and one person just has too much stuff, there’s going to be some natural justice that happens. Well, how did they get too much stuff is the question. Yeah, that’s a good question.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, so that is the question. Did they get up earlier in the day? Did they work harder? Did they take more risk?
SPEAKER 20 :
And don’t they benefit? You believe in charity. Don’t people benefit from sharing?
SPEAKER 21 :
I don’t believe in forced charity. And there is a difference. because charity should not be forced. Christ didn’t force anybody to give stuff up. He didn’t use force.
SPEAKER 20 :
He just threatened that you’d go to hell if you don’t follow, if you don’t believe in him.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, he didn’t threaten that. He did say that he— It’s not a threat.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s a promise.
SPEAKER 21 :
He said that he is the way, the truth, and the light.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s a kind way of saying it. There’s harsher language in there in the Gospels, but— Yeah. So, I mean, I think I, you know, I was trying to explain this yesterday. I generally think that there’s a left and a right balance, that there’s a yin and a yang between individualism and collectivism. And I think I don’t disagree completely. With what you’re trying to do here, Kim, in like like people need to be held accountable on both sides. And you do that. And I love that about you. I think we need I think you’re right about like having a choice of charities to give to is better than the government taking it and wasting it and then increasing the fraud. But I think we need to – I think we as conservatives, we as the people on the right, we need to lead by example by, like, letting our churches, like, be the example of – I had one person once reach out to me on Reddit or I reached out to him. He just wanted to do, like, a cleanup. He walked around the neighborhood and picked up trash. And I’ve been inspired by that for more than five years. It’s amazing, like, what a good deed can do. Yeah. And so like lean into the – it’s not collectivism. It’s not letting people from the animal farm metaphor like fooling – having useful fools. Useful idiots. Useful idiots who have been tricked into thinking they’re doing something good and you’re actually just giving one other person more power. Like how do our politicians get rich? It’s a real question. It’s a real problem in the world.
SPEAKER 21 :
i’ve learned the green in the green new deal so the green that’s going into pbi’s pockets dollars yeah yeah so we have this is a spirited and uh let’s see i did want to just give this i think this is uh uh sandra says this the book of ezekiel also contains numerous woes such as ezekiel 13 3 this is what the lord god says woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. Here the false prophets are condemned for misleading the people with their own visions rather than the truth of God. I have to go to this whole transgender activism thing. This whole thing, natural law, man and woman. Now, I know there’s outliers. You’d mentioned there’s outliers over there. But it is man. It is woman. I was out to dinner last night and went to the ladies’ room. I loved it. It was the ladies room. It was women. It wasn’t the both. I loved that.
SPEAKER 20 :
It made you look. Don’t fall into the liberal trap of caring about bathrooms, genders on bathrooms. What is it that made you felt safe? Is that what it was?
SPEAKER 21 :
I felt that there was a truth that women are women, and I like to keep men out of those private spaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think we need to have empathy for people with gender dysmorphia. I don’t think letting them mutilate their— That doesn’t mean they can come in my bathroom. Right, and I don’t think they need to mutilate their bodies so that a hospital can get rich.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and this is the other thing. On Monday, we’re going to have a sex therapist who is referring to a bill that was passed in 2019 here. I remember this. And that basically says that therapists can only affirm gender dysphoria. It’s taking away their voices. So there’s all kinds of force and coercion in that, Kurt. Now I throw that out. We’ve got a minute.
SPEAKER 20 :
And we never talked about legacy. We’re going to have to pick it back up.
SPEAKER 21 :
We’re going to have to do that next time.
SPEAKER 20 :
I wanted to mention that Ron said that the plastic from Denver could never make it to the ocean. And the word never doesn’t work in there. I think he’s generally right. I’m not disagreeing. But we are – just because I love New Orleans so much, I’ll say, like, when we flush our toilets here, the Platte River flows to the Missouri, flows to the Mississippi, flows into the Gulf of –
SPEAKER 21 :
America. There it is. Kurt, it’s always spirited to have you. And I love the fact that you’re game for all of these discussions. I think that it makes us all better to have these discussions. I do.
SPEAKER 20 :
The conversation is important.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, it is. And I think you’ll love the quote for the end of the show from Calvin Coolidge. He said this, nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, and strive for high ideals like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And we will be back tomorrow, same time, same place, with all of these very spirited discussions. And Kurt Gerwitz, it’s always great to have you in studio.
SPEAKER 20 :
I’ll be back next month as one of your educated derelicts.
SPEAKER 21 :
Sounds like a plan. So have a great day and we’ll talk tomorrow.
SPEAKER 13 :
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