5/2/26: LT Arms & Custom Ear Solutions Today’s Guests: Today’s guests include Brandon Anderson and Evan Lee with LT Arms in Littleton. We cover a lot in this interview but make sure you catch the details on the Bison Hunt. The Package is valued at $7,000 which includes a custom Shikari Rifle and the Bison Hunt at Clover Cliff Ranch. Entries are $100 and only 500 tickets will be sold. LT Arms are Gunsmithing with Gunsmith at Large. Conceal Carry classes and Reloading classes are also available. LT Arms offers a Consignment program and Custom Rifles. Then it’s Dr.
SPEAKER 12 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado’s premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado’s top outfitters featuring the industry’s leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here’s your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for joining us. We are glad you’re with us. We’ve got a great show in store for you. I say so myself. And we are glad to have you. We’re going to kick it off, of course, with our friends from LT Arms. We’ve got Brandon Anderson back with us. Good to see you, sir. You too, Scott. How are you? And Evan Lee. Howdy, Scott. The stars. You guys have just become the stars for LTR. All the other guys get chicken on us.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re all scared to get on the radio.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, man. Well, Brandon, I guess we’ll start with you. Things been since our last visit a few weeks ago?
SPEAKER 03 :
Been going good. Business has been steady. We’ve been doing a lot more custom builds, getting a lot of cool consignments in, a lot of people coming in, wanting to kind of beat the rush for August 1st when all the new wonderful laws we have going on here in Colorado go into effect. So yeah, it’s been going good besides the prospect of the new law, but besides that, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know, let’s just kick off with that. I mean, man, a lot to talk about here and As I told you guys, I think this is going to be an ever-evolving thing here a little bit, too, because when you read All the real language. There’s a lot of things that can be interpreted in different ways, even from the wording that’s used. Would you guys agree with that? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
And part of it is also they can just update it at will going forward. It’s like, what does that mean exactly? We had a president of a local gun club come in a couple hours ago today. How does this affect my club? Suppose a guy’s got a banned rapid-fire device on his rifle now, but come August 1st, he’s at my range and something happens, can they use that as a liability exposure for my range or for this shooter? I mean, there’s a lot of unknown variables here that have yet to be addressed. It’s a little bit sketchy, kind of disturbing for the industry.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And so many of these things with gun laws, you take the magazine deal, you know, a few years ago and all that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
How do you enforce? When did you buy that?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, how long have you had? I mean… Yeah, is the burden of proof on them or is it on you? Exactly, yeah. It’s like, do you need to duct tape a receipt when you bought the magazine to the side of it? So there’s a lot of… The whole thing’s pretty unclear. Everybody that comes in… They either ask what the details of this law is, or they try to explain to us what the details of this law is, and everybody has a different interpretation. Just the way they interpret it is completely different.
SPEAKER 05 :
So give us, Brandon, a little bit of, for those who haven’t heard about it or wondering kind of how it’s defined, and then they haven’t kicked any time you want, but give us a little… two-minute explanation of what this is all about August 1st.
SPEAKER 03 :
They say it’s not banning, but essentially it’s banning gas-operated semi-automatic rifles and handguns that accept a detachable magazine. So, mainly it seems like it’s attacking AR-15s because they’re gas-operated and they’re AR pistols, so that counts as a handgun. But there are a few handguns that are technically gas-operated. I mean, if you want… every gun is gas operated essentially, you know what I mean? So that’d be several bolt action rifles and over under shotguns, but they, uh, it’s, there’s a lot of European design pistols that have a fixed barrel and they actually operate off a gas piston that releases gas kind of in the same way an AR does. So, some of the guns from hk and walther will fall under that apparently glocks will not and the government you know state government has said that this doesn’t apply to glocks this doesn’t apply to any of the striker fired stuff so that’s where the gray area is you know so if it’s not gas operated are you allowed to have detachable magazine even though it says banning semi-automatic guns with detachable magazines and And that’s where that whole confusion in the gray area comes in. I’ve probably gotten 20 or 30 phone calls with guys calling like, can you explain this law to me? Like, I can try and explain it to you as well as it’s been explained to me.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and there’s an exemption list as well. Yet, that’s a moving target as well. I mean, they’re moving things, they’re adding things. When’s it going to be solidified? Again, this variable of being able to update at will, even though it’s in place and nobody gets to vote on that, is rather alarming.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, CPW, correct me if I’m wrong, from what I’m understanding, CPW, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, they’re kind of It’s been handed to them to figure all this out, but they’re not going to be teaching the classes. It’s going to be, you’ve got to get qualified then to teach classes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Correct? And it looks like they’re trying to get gun shops and people who do CCW classes and stuff like that, they’re trying to… trying to get those guys in line to do it. We’ve been asked to do it and a few other people we know in the industry who do concealed carry classes have been asked to do it. Funny thing is we’ve been to online meetings and talked in person to people about this. We talked to CPW and the Department of Revenue and when Revenue visited our store for their yearly inspection we asked them and they said CPW is going to be teaching these classes and we went to the meeting with CPW and we said So you guys are, no, we’re not teaching these classes. You guys are teaching these classes. We’re like, well, the people that are enforcing, you know, bestowing you with the power to make this decision told us it was you guys. And, you know, we’re going to have to get back to you on that. During that meeting, a lot of questions were asked and there was a lot of, we’re going to circle back around to that. So they… I don’t think the people that have been tasked with enforcing this and coming up with the curriculum know. They don’t have any clearer of an explanation of what’s going on than we do, I don’t think. They’re kind of winging it. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, correct me if I’m wrong again. This is things I’ve heard. If you have your hunter safety, it’s a four-hour class. Four hours, yeah. Okay. If you don’t. then it’s a 12 yeah and that includes hunter safety yep but it does include yeah but it’s so hard to find just a hunter safety class yeah for people to go to dude i get calls all the time somebody’s hey we’re trying to get her my kids you know it’s hunter safety and i’ve got to drive you know to the western slope to get to a class yeah so i mean if we can’t even get those That’s why I’ve got a feeling CPW won’t be teaching them because we can’t even do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And what’s the guy got to charge to teach a 12-hour class to how many people?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I guarantee they’re going to be $500 or $600.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, right. And then they haven’t come up with a number that’s acceptable. They’re just saying, oh, just set your own pricing. It’s just not. There’s so much unknown and so much gray, so many moving targets to this thing. It just doesn’t seem feasible if they can pull it off by August 1st. And if that can’t happen, then you’re into the unconstitutionality of limiting people’s purchasing power to buy themselves a firearm because you can’t get your permission slip from the sheriff. It’s just a mess.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we’ve said this over the last few weeks. Don’t wait until July 20th to try to start this process of buying something because there may be a point where you guys have to cut off sales. By July 10th, we’re going to go in this other deal because – If you buy the gun, then you don’t want to go through the class, or you can’t get through the class, and we’re not going to give you your money back on the gun. You know what I mean? It’s going to create a lot of different things. Major complications.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because we’ve asked about that, too. People asked about that in the online meeting we had with CPW. They were saying if somebody comes in and buys on July 31st, starts the background check process that day is it basically grandfathered into where it was you know they started it before that deadline or does it fall into that deadline period and then they’re going to have to take that class before they come pick it up do they need to you know give themselves four days grace before before they come in and do it or and again we’re gonna have to get back to you we’re gonna circle back around to that and then you’re gonna have to you know wait three days of course right there but then you gotta
SPEAKER 05 :
Get in, find a class, get enrolled for the class.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go through the class. And if that gets jammed up, we were talking before we started recording. I mean, it could be a month. It could be three weeks. It could be a month. It could be two months before you even get your gun.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even concealed carry classes right now, we get a lot of calls asking if we do them because we still… We still schedule those in the store, and a lot of people can’t even find a place to do that. Again, they call one person, and they tell them you need to talk to the local sheriff’s office, and then they call the local sheriff. So there’s a lot of runaround going on and a lot of really just unclear kind of… goals and nobody knows what the other guy’s doing and they all have a different idea.
SPEAKER 05 :
We need a sound effect of the three stooges. We do, absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. And another alarming point is I was like, guys, if this, then that sort of scenario laying hypotheticals on them in this meeting, what you going to do? What’s your plan B? Well, we don’t have one. Like, oh, no.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Again, if you’re just joining us, Brandon Anderson is with us, Evan Lee. We’re at LT Arms. Their number is 720-727-0400. If this is your first time to join us, welcome. They’re here. We try to do this on the first Saturday of every month with them. But, hey, guns, ammo, gunsmithing, restoration, training, reloading. We’re going to talk about that here in just a minute. Custom work. They even have a custom rifle. We’ll talk about that. You know, a lot of different things here at LT Arms. If you haven’t been over to the store, they’re located at 8130 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton, off of Kipling and 470, and over here off of Chatfield. And, again, it’s 8130 Schaefer Parkway. Talking about reloading, that’s gone through, you were saying, when I say highs and lows, just interest and non-interest for a couple of months. You got it covered here if somebody wants to come in and learn about reloading.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. We teach classes in reloading, and it’s designed for the beginner, someone who’s never done it before. It’s about a three-hour class. The first hour or so is a presentation. It’s essentially the first half of a reloading manual, but we’re going to cover it on a screen instead of you having to read it. And the other two hours, we’re assembling ammunition at the bench. And it teaches you everything you need to know to safely start hand-loading and developing a load for one of your rifles or handguns. What kind of investment is somebody looking at to get their initial reloading equipment? You can get really nice starter kits from all the major manufacturers for about $500. And that’s going to have everything you need except for your dies and a case trimmer. So after that, you’re into components, whatever bullets you want to try, primers, powder, that sort of thing. But you can easily, under $1,000, you can cook up a whole bunch of different things to try to tighten up the accuracy of a rifle. Right. And then, you know, in getting all those different components, is that easy?
SPEAKER 05 :
It is now.
SPEAKER 08 :
It comes and goes, too. It was really problematic for a while there. After COVID, first couple of years after COVID especially, primers and powders were just nonexistent. But things are loosening up again. Prices are coming down as well. Primers have literally slashed in half from what they were two years ago.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, really?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, good Gunsmithing another big area. We tried to Get your gunsmith Parker in here, but yeah, we keep them working back. They’re like gnomes. I mean, yep I don’t know if it’s easier to say what you don’t do with gunsmithing then whether what you do offer with services, but I mean I You guys cover the gamut. Pretty much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Pretty much. Everything except we send out shotgun choking jobs to Briley. They’re the leader in that. We can’t do chrome plating or parkerizing because of the EPA regulations around that. So we send that stuff out, too. We approach everything else we do in-house from traditional 19th century color case hardening treatments to bluing, carbona-style hot salt, nitre. You can restore old shotguns and we can build you a custom rifle to your specifications. And y’all did that recently. Yeah. Well, we do a lot of that. 45-70.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we made a… We did, yeah. The 45-70 double gun, yeah. We took it out and traded it for a couple of nice bison. But yeah, Parker took an old Parker side-by-side shotgun action and… I mean, started from a seven-pound block of steel. And two-barreled, two-rifled tubes. Two blanks, yeah, and ended up with the, you know, it looked like a factory. He did a really great job on that. So now we have three more lined up, and we’re going to try and make it a regular thing, because as soon as we posted that stuff online, everybody freaked out and… I can get this done in Colorado. You can. It takes, I mean, it took them, what did he say, about 300 or 400 hours to get that done? Yeah. So it’s not a fast process, but yeah. 400 hours. It’s a lot of hand fitting and filing and just, yeah, it’s a lot of old school, old world technique in doing that. It’s pretty cool to watch.
SPEAKER 05 :
Speaking of the bison hunt, you guys have got a deal going right now. Tell us about a drawing that’s available.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we came up with a plan. We’re out there with our buddies at Clover Cliff Ranch that does the bison hunts. They’re giving away a meat cow, and we’re doing a rifle to hunt it with. So tickets are $100 a piece. You buy five, you get the sixth for free, basically. But we’re limiting it to 500 tickets. And if you win the rifle, the rifle is valued at $3,500. The meat cow is valued at $3,500. Okay. It covers your stay out at the Clovercliff Ranch in Elmdale, Kansas. The only thing it doesn’t cover is travel out there, but it’s about a six-and-a-half, seven-hour drive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Just buy all the tickets, you’re ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. You will. I mean, it’ll still be cheaper than paying for it all. Yeah, it’s a good deal. You take a check?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. It’s a beautiful, beautiful property. They’ve just got so much countryside and nature. And the place you stay is on the National Historic Register. It’s a big, beautiful stone building, all completely Victorian and original indoors. The guys you hunt with, Spencer is fantastic. He’s just a great guy. Really just good people, good product, great time. And his brother Casey, actually, they have a tannery. that they’ve built on facility now so you can actually have your your hide processed there and uh and done for you so you can turn it we just brought one back for one of our customers went out and did a hunt that thing will cover a king size bed beautiful beautiful bison blanket if you haven’t been close to a bison son yeah perspective will change when you walk up on one isn’t it oh absolutely this ain’t a disney movie yeah they’re not messing around
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, yeah, they’re the size of, what, like a Volkswagen Beetle? I mean, they’re huge. A couple thousand pounds when you get the big ones. Yeah. It’s nice out there, too, because it’s not like hunting. But, you know, when you go up in the mountains by yourself to go on an elk hunt or something, you get it down on the ground, and you’re like, how are we getting this out of here? You get it down on the ground, and those guys call up the hay baling truck, and they come and just swoop it up and throw it on there and take it out to the processing facility. You get in a side-by-side, and it’s heated.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you got a few burger patties from that, didn’t you? Oh, we did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, from the two that we got, we got right under 400 pounds of ground. We got 17 tomahawk steaks. We got a ton of different cuts. We started using a new local butcher, the guys that – Back home butchery over here in Stapleton off 570 in Quebec.
SPEAKER 05 :
I just saw them a couple days ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re great guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
We had a sportsman’s day at the Capitol. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they provided all the moose hot dogs. Yeah, and they provided sun. Those are good, aren’t they? We had some moose burgers and moose hot dogs. Awesome. And I was like, man. And I told them I’d sent you guys over there, you know. But, yeah, super nice guys. They’re cool guys, yeah. And that place is spotless.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, if you haven’t heard of them, check them out. And they always have a smoker running, so when you go in there, I mean, it’s, yeah, it’s very appetizing.
SPEAKER 08 :
One of the more impressive things they did for me, too, is this just blew me away. It’s like a lot of places, you know, you take your thing and you’re processing, you get it back, they just kind of throw it at you and you get it back, right? These guys track every bit of it. They gave us a cut report. how many pounds of this and how many pounds of that big, long sheet printed out with everything that was getting loaded into the freezers. And it was just so impressive because it accounted for literally every ounce of those animals, and we knew it was ours. Yeah. It was beautiful.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And every cut, I mean, there were flaming yawn and, I mean, the whole nine yards. It wasn’t like most places you get some steaks and you get, you know, your top rounds and stuff and some roasts. These were cut like they were going on sale in a butcher shop.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, when I took a tour of it last year with them, I mean, it looks like a high-class butcher shop.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. You know, I mean, it really, really does. It’s a great place. Yeah. Yeah, we’re grateful that you kind of turned us on to those guys because after we got back and we were, you know, we got – Yeah, this time of year, I mean, it’s hard to find. You know, over 1,000 pounds of meat sitting in the back of this refrigerator trailer, and we’re like, what are we going to do with all this? And we’re like, we’ll cut it up ourselves, and that did not happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
After about 15 minutes, you’re like, okay, we ain’t doing that.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re heavy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, man, again, if you’re just joining us, we’re at LT Arms, 8130 Schaefer Parkway. Brandon Anderson is with us, Evan Lee. If you haven’t had a chance to get by the store, come see them, meet them, take a look around the store. They’ll give you a tour around. Great gunsmithing available here as well. Okay, we were going to talk about another thing as far as consignment program that you guys offer. So, Evan, I’ll let you.
SPEAKER 08 :
start off with that we’ve been getting tell us how it works and what all you got in well well we got some really excellent stuff in like you know we’re starting to discover and just it’s bittersweet but we’re starting to discover a lot of older fellows mid-70s into their mid-80s they built these beautiful lifetime collections but it’s now time to pass them on to the next caretaker you know let parker like say well it’s it’s not your gun it’s just your turn You know, that’s kind of how it works for all of us. If you really think about it, especially with these vintage firearms, we truly are caretakers, these wonderful little guns. And it’s nice to have them in your collection while you can, but when it’s time to move them on, we pride ourselves on the fact that we can move them on to the next good caretaker. We charge 25% consignment fee. That covers everything. We do really nice photography. We do really good write-ups. We get national exposure for them. We’ve got a good collector base of guys we can reach out to immediately that will often take stuff right away. Right. And we do it all for you. It’s plug and play. You bring these things to us or we’ll actually even come to you to pick them up if necessary. And we take care of all the legwork and generate you a check for top dollar for what we get for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
And people have to understand, you know, hey, we all remember back in the day when it was 10% and 15% and 20%. But people have to realize that just cost of everything has gone up. Plus the time involved getting a gun, getting good pictures, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
shipping it out all the things all the steps i mean it’s not just we take the gun we sell it and it’s one step there’s like 10 steps to this that has everything to go good you know yeah i wish they all come walking through the door to come in here and see this stuff but literally we got to spend a lot of time getting things on websites getting them in front of people and getting them into auction sites if we need to and things like that and then again like you mentioned Just the shipping and the packaging and the handling and everything and making sure that it’s going to survive the trip because you’ve seen how these guys handle packages on these trucks. Oh, yeah. And all the legalities of it, too, with interstate transfers between two FFLs. It’s all done for you. You have nothing to worry about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Now, where we record here at the store, we’re in a cool room right now, and I’m just looking up here. Whoever wants to tell us a few of the things. Brandon, what do we got up there, a few things? And now let Evan name a couple.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we have everything from M1 carbines, you know, certified with papers that were, you know, used in World War II to a $4,500 Polytech Chinese AK-47. It’s one of the nice ones that’s, you know, has a machine receiver. I mean, we have some, you know, 30-40 Krags up there. German MG-42 from World War II that you can come shoot that thing if you’d like. It’s not cheap, but it gets fast.
SPEAKER 08 :
That one there, fifth from the top, that’s a really interesting old German Dreiling. It’s a triple barrel. Two 16-gauge shotgun barrels with a rifle barrel below. wow yeah so i mean that that’s the whole idea that’s it’s very common in europe and back especially back in this you’re going out hunting you were prepared for birds and small game or even large game in some cases so yeah we have um kyle kyle came across those in his travels recently and uh he found three of them he bought them all and they are fantastically engineered and they’re essentially handmade yeah a few cool lever actions too you guys yeah those are from parker’s collection he he’s got a he’s got a lever gun fixation they come in here and he just can’t help himself oh yeah and uh yeah he’s um the fourth one down that one’s that’s a it’s a modern treatment it’s chambered in 450 alaska but he did all the the woodwork on that and that color casing job that’s ready to go to alaska yeah that’s beautiful it’s a beauty wow
SPEAKER 05 :
I tell you, they can help you out here at LT Arms. Once again, they used to be located across the street. How long has it been now since y’all have been over here?
SPEAKER 03 :
Last Memorial Day we moved in. Almost a year, about 11 months.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, yeah, I thought it was pretty quick to a year.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it has been a fast 11 months.
SPEAKER 05 :
It has, for sure. But just a great store, knowledgeable staff. They’ll be glad to help you. Again, guns, ammo, gunsmithing, restoration, training. um you know reloading and if you mention something they may just start that business for you okay because they do everything here that makes sense sport and it’s under guns but yeah hey and you know a lot of guns stores aren’t set up for the real hunters all right so i’m telling all of our real hunters this is a great store so come by and see them you guys can help them out let’s end with your precision rifles brandon tell us about them
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, a little bit longer than a year ago, we started our own company within the store called Shikari, and it’s our custom-built rifle line. We have everything from your basic composite stock with, you know, the basic you know basic hunting rifle that you’re not going to you’re going to be able to take into the field and knock around and you’re not going to tear up any nice walnut or anything like that and we’d go all the way up to when we have precision rifles for elr nrl hunter and prs competitions um and kind of the the pinnacle which is the rifle’s name actually the in the lineup is our Safari rifles and so we do all those in dangerous game calibers 416 Rigby 375 H&H all right pretty pretty much anything you want I mean we can we can configure it any way you’d like we build them all on our own actions we have made for us down in Texas and it’s a 700 footprint so a lot of options with you know Remington 700 footprint you can different stocks and chassis. The one we have in here is our ELR competition rifle. It’s built on an MDT carbon fiber chassis with our action. It has a fluted barrel from, I think that barrel’s from Schillen. And it’s chambered in 3375 Weatherby Magnum, so it’s a…
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re going to know when you pull the trigger.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. The thing is, yeah, your shoulder and your wallet.
SPEAKER 05 :
Notice when you pull the trigger of that gun. Yeah. And that one, as built, now, is the scope included with that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Don’t think that includes the scope.
SPEAKER 05 :
That scope is… Yeah, I was going to say, because that’s a really nice scope, Live Hope. Yeah, because you have about… BHD 525.
SPEAKER 03 :
That might be with that scope, because that’s about a $2,000 chassis, and then the barrel and the chambering and everything like that, all the work that’s done there is about two, so it’s like about a $2,500 scope.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I’d put that as bill 6,500. That’s with the scope on that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, all right. So that’s 6,500 loaded out just the way Brandon described it, but… Come by. I promise you it’ll take you a little while to look through everything, but they’ll spend the time, help you out. And you know what? They also got custom cowboy hats. I almost forgot about that. Hey, you can get a cowboy hat, a good lever action, and be ready.
SPEAKER 03 :
Heck, yeah. We’re big fans of revolvers and lever actions around here, so you can complete the trifecta. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, guys. Evan, appreciate it. Thanks, Scott. Brandon, thank you. Thank you. LT Arms, come see them, 8130 Schaefer Parkway, 720-727-0400. Come get your raffle ticket. I guess we’ll call it a drawing ticket. Not really a raffle, just a drawing. $100 a ticket. They’re going to sell 500 of them. And that is for a nice cow, bison, and a gun.
SPEAKER 08 :
And a gun. And a trip and all the inclusive stuff that goes along. We’re looking at December for this hunt. Yeah, because you want it in the winter with a coat.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great time to do it for that coat. Yeah, absolutely. You’re listening to Sportsman of Colorado. We’ve got to hit a quick break, and we’ll be back with more right after this.
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You’re listening to KLZ 560, your home station.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. We are glad you are with us. Well, a little extra excerpt from one of our weekly shows, Listen Up with Dr. Melissa Fling, Custom Ear Solutions. She’s our exclusive audiologist. Has taken great care of my ears for a year and a half now or so. Not sure if I hear any better, but hey, I’ve got all the cool stuff, man.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’ve got more protection than you could ever want.
SPEAKER 05 :
I just look for reasons to put all these different plugs in my ear now. How are you?
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m great. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Good. You did a little talk.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, I’ve just come back from San Antonio.
SPEAKER 05 :
San Antonio.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I went to the American Academy of Audiology conference. It’s an annual national conference. And I haven’t been to that in 10 years. So, but I wanted to do my talk there. I did it at the state conference last October about extended high frequency hearing. And it’s such a fun topic that I’m excited about. So I wanted to give it a try at the national conference. So I did. So now two, two talks under my belt. So I just want to keep practicing.
SPEAKER 05 :
And these are just other audiologists, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Mostly audiologists. Um, how many people were at the talk? My time was from five to 6 PM on Thursday. So probably not as many people came as would have if I’d had like a late morning, early afternoon. Um, but still a good amount of people I’d say like maybe 25 people were there. Yeah. And the fun thing about it was at the end, there were so many questions, a lot of comments. There was a lot of discussion between audience members about, you know, what, what they’re doing in their practice. Um, so that part was really fun. And then it was really sweet. Some, an audiologist from, um, Greece that traveled from Greece to come to the conference. She came up after, and she wanted to take a picture with me.
SPEAKER 05 :
See, you need some 8×10 pictures of being on the radio.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I thought that was so sweet. So anyway, it went pretty well. You know, I was a little nervous. I’m still getting used to public speaking. It’s not my natural.
SPEAKER 05 :
We all do. I mean, like me emceeing banquet stuff, and I get up, and if there’s, you know. 100 people or there’s 800 people i mean yeah you just you want to do good right you know and uh and so but uh i know you did good oh well thank you yeah it was fun and and i applied to do it at another conference at the end of the year i just haven’t heard from them yet so maybe i’ll get a third try at it do all you can and then i’m telling you people will hire you then to come do speaking
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that would be that would be great. So most and I, you know, honestly, I wasn’t thinking about that. I was just thinking I want to get comfortable with public speaking because I’m so fearful of it, like to a ridiculous point, you know, and it’s uncomfortable to be that fearful of something.
SPEAKER 05 :
So it’s like, OK, because you’re talking to millions every week here on the radio. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Is it? Is it millions?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think so. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
But they’re not all staring at me while I’m talking.
SPEAKER 10 :
So anyway, it was fun and I was, you know, glad to be picked to talk and get the extra practice.
SPEAKER 05 :
San Antonio’s pretty shitty.
SPEAKER 10 :
I loved it. Well, I didn’t, you know, I didn’t go outside of kind of the, this, the area around the convention center and my hotel, but my hotel was right on the river walk, which I’d never been to. That was fantastic. I thought, man, I wish we had something like that here. And you know, there’s moisture in the air. So my hair was voluminous.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s very flat here and dry. So there just had an extra lift. I’m like, Oh, Dave, only my hair were like this all the time. So that part was fun. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, glad you’re back. Thank you. Well, as I said, Dr. Fling is our exclusive audiologist for Haystack Help Radio here on Sportsman of Colorado. And, boy, this is something, again, I wish I would have known her a long, long time ago and to just protect my hearing growing up. I’ll be 68 here tomorrow, actually, when this airs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Glad you mentioned it. May 3rd. A fellow Taurus. I’ve had this tinnitus so long now, and my ears ring. And I know it’s just from not—I’m not saying I wouldn’t have got it anyway.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I sure didn’t help things out by not protecting my hearing early on hunting and just doing the right thing there. We want to help all you out there. not to have it if we can’t, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Tinnitus especially. Right, just through education and information, you know, and I find that, you know, getting more and more practice talking to people at expos and conferences and conventions and people with tinnitus or without it, you know, shooters, hunters, everybody, kind of what I’ve learned so far is people will come to me when they’re ready for help with something or when they’re ready to hear the information, not everybody is ready for it. People don’t want to be lectured about hearing protection or what they should be doing, but if they’re naturally interested and curious about it, then they will start asking questions and start educating themselves. And that’s what I’m here for. Hopefully to, to provide information to people early, So that it can help them make decisions that will prevent them from having damage due to loud sound exposure. Um, so yeah, that’s, that’s kind of how, what I feel my role is. I don’t want to force information on anybody that doesn’t want it or isn’t interested in it. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Jake Jabs, when I worked for Jake at American Furniture, he always said, find a need, fill that need, you’ll be successful.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s a pretty short quote.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I don’t think you have to let people see the need because most of us know, especially guys. probably can’t hear as well as i should but you got to get them to realize how much it impacts their life because that’s something when you just go day to day and you know get through the day hey i made it so i can probably do it again tomorrow you know right and so that’s the point really of today’s show number one we’d like to say please please please schedule a hearing exam with dr fling and i’ll let you tell them a
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so it’s a comprehensive diagnostic hearing evaluation. So it’s not just a screening. So we’ll be doing pretty thorough testing on the softest sounds that you can hear, how you understand speech and quiet, how you understand speech and background noise. And one of the more interesting things that I offer that is unique and not everyone offers is extended high frequency testing. which is what my talk was on because in doing that testing for the past like four or five years, I’ve come across really interesting patterns that would have been missed had I not tested that. So that is just, you know, or ultra high frequency testing, some people might call it, but essentially humans can hear between 20 Hertz and 20,000 Hertz. That’s our estimated hearing range, which is pretty wide. A standard hearing test only tests from 250 to 8,000 hertz. So we’re not even looking at your hearing above 8,000 hertz, although you can hear all the way up to 20,000 hertz potentially. And so many people that have normal hearing at the standard range are symptomatic. They have tinnitus. They feel like they’re having trouble understanding speech in noise. If they’re musicians, their perception of music might be off a little bit. So if they come to me and we do the extended high frequency testing, a lot of times there is hearing loss that shows in that range that doesn’t show in the standard range. So it’s an extra tool to pick up hearing loss earlier, which is very helpful for prevention. It’ll kind of guide what we might need to do to help prevent it from getting worse. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And the cost?
SPEAKER 10 :
The cost is up to $205, depending on everything that we do. So I’d say somewhere between $150 and $200, roughly, just to give easy numbers.
SPEAKER 05 :
And the number is 720-839-7705, and it is customearsolutions.com. Fact or fiction, one gunshot can permanently damage your hearing.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think, Scott?
SPEAKER 05 :
What, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s fact. And that’s a good one. Cause so many times in talking with, with hunters, even, you know, I’m not forcing any information on them. I’m just asking them questions like, what do you, do you use hearing protection when you go hunting or, you know, what do you use? And so many of them, so many of them, I’ve heard it so many times have said, oh yeah, I don’t use anything, but you know, it’s just one shot, so it’s not a big deal. And every time in my mind, I think, oh, don’t, don’t say anything. You know, I mean, I try, I want to say something, but when I say something, I can see the resistance immediately because they don’t want to use anything. But yeah, the fact is firearms are so loud. Um, many of them, minimum 140 DB output. Uh, which is the level at which OSHA says at that level, um, instant hearing damage can happen because it’s so loud. Um, and then, you know, a lot of them can get up to like one 80. Um, so just imagine if one 40 can do instant damage, what one 80 is going to do. And you may not notice it right in that moment, but it’s cumulative. And over time it is going to keep damaging your high frequency hearing. Eventually, you’re going to be asking people to repeat themselves. You’ll have trouble in restaurants. You’re turning the TV up. You can’t hear your wife or your husband when they’re talking to you from the other room. These things just kind of slowly creep up over time. So even if in the moment you don’t notice it, there’s still damage occurring in the inner ear most likely from those exposures.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. What actually happens inside the ear when that happens?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Well, the truth is we don’t know everything about it, right? So within the inner ear, there are these microscopic hair cells or they’re cells that are shaped like hairs. We call them hair cells or stereocilia. And they have a couple different jobs, but one of the jobs is just they are sensitive to motion in the fluid. So when a sound wave travels through the fluid, it stimulates those hair cells and then that triggers motion. some chemistry to activate the hearing nerve, and then that signal goes up to the brain for interpretation. So if, you know, you can just imagine like a soft sound making a move like this. Well, if you have a really loud impulse sound, they get knocked down. They might even break off. The ones that just get knocked down within like 72 hours, your body might do some healing and they might stand back up. So you may have had a temporary hearing change. But sometimes it’s loud enough that it does permanent damage. It knocks them down, breaks them off. And so those are part of the sensory organ that pick up on sounds. So if you damage those, it starts to take more and more volume for you to just barely hear something. And that’s what we start to see happen on the hearing test. Your hearing sensitivity worsens. It takes more volume for you to hear a beep or more volume for you to understand a word.
SPEAKER 05 :
Have you had patients where… maybe just a loud sound at a construction site, whatever the case may be, but the sound was so loud that it really, they could tell a hearing loss at that exact minute.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, I’ve had a couple of several veterans over the years who had one exposure. There was like actually, and it wasn’t, it was like a firework exposure or something that we think caused major damage in both ears, a little worse in one ear. But also blast exposures, you know, any of the ones that are in combat and are dealing with IEDs when they’re just driving down the road and their car gets blown up. Those guys tend to have a lot of high frequency hearing loss too. Those loud impulse sounds are so damaging. They’re damaging in a different way to the hearing organ than somebody that works like in a factory setting that just has like… constant machinery noise, but those loud fast sounds. They’re hard on hearing and faster. They do damage faster than just like a machinery noise or a loud fan noise that you’re around eight hours a day.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Again, Dr. Melissa Fling is with us. She is the owner of Custom Air Solutions, her website, customairsolutions.com. So when you look at who’s at risk for this, and, of course, we’re on our sportsman show, you can also hear our listen-up segment. I’ll mention this real quick. On Wednesdays, at 1230 with Dr. Fling, but who all’s at risk here?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, any firearm user. Thank you very much. Sorry. That’s just inherently risky, even with good hearing protection practices. But the point is that hearing protection will help. So yeah, any firearm users, whether they’re doing it for fun, for work, in the military, Um, instructors or people that work at the ranges because they’re just getting exposed all day long. Um, you know, especially maybe the indoor instructors, cause their exposures are probably going to be a little bit higher. Um, people actually, I had somebody not too long ago come in that I met at the mile high hunting fish expo. He works in, um, he’s like an arborist, so he’s been cutting trees down for like 20.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. For like 20 years.
SPEAKER 10 :
Um, he’s got some hearing loss. He’s in his, he’s in his early forties. I want to say he’s got some high frequency hearing loss. So we got him some good hearing protection. Um, yeah, musicians, people that go to, or people that go to concerts regularly, people that are using power tools, whether they’re in construction or they’re just doing at home. Like some people like to do woodworking. Uh, there’s probably a good amount of exposure in that. People that ride motorcycles. So, you know, and there’s so much of that everywhere. You know, people are doing all kinds of different things. It’s just a noisy world now. There’s noise everywhere. You know, it didn’t used to be that way, but now we have motors and engines and power and… Very noisy.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, you’ve been in your car probably where a motorcycle has passed by you and it’s so loud. And you’re in your car, you’ve got the radio on, whatever. Yeah. And it’s so loud and you wonder, and I assume most of the riders are wearing some kind of ear protection, you know, under their helmets and things like that. Yeah. But it is so loud.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, and I wonder, is it louder for us or like, how is it for them? Cause the, the noise that’s coming out is not, you know, going directly to them. I feel like it’s going like behind them. So I wonder about that, but I’m sure it’s still noisy, but then wind noise too. People underestimate wind noise, like in truck drivers, they tend to have. more hearing loss in their left ear because they roll their driver’s side window down. And with hours a day and years of truck driving with that window down, it will wear down your left ear quite a bit more than your right ear.
SPEAKER 05 :
But it doesn’t matter if you’re shooting indoors or outdoors as far as. Hearing protection.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, well, I mean, the exposure is louder indoors.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. Is that what you’re. Yeah, but I mean, you still need to wear. Oh, yeah. That’s the main point I’m trying to get. Yes. Just because you’re outside. Yes. Don’t think it’s, oh, it’s probably not hurting anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it might be less hazardous, but it’s still hazardous outside. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, let’s get to the phone plugs that have been around for 100 years. And we’ve talked about this a million times. But, I mean, I’ve seen so many people, and I say this every time we talk about it, that don’t even know how to really put them in. I mean, to really twist them tight and pull their ear with their – I can’t do it on the radio. Their pinna. Yeah. Is that what the top of the ear is?
SPEAKER 09 :
Just the whole outer – the thing you see on your head.
SPEAKER 05 :
And really wedge that in there so when the foam expands back, then it gives you that protection. And I see some, you know, they’re half out of their ear. But I’ve gotten out. I mean, I’ll take yours. And then if I know I’m going to be in door range for a while, especially, then I’ll put some muffs over that too. Oh, yeah. For sure. Because it is loud inside of range, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Oh, don’t remind me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, if you can, if you can, if you don’t need to communicate with anybody or really be aware of your surroundings, double protection is always good to do, especially at an indoor range. You definitely need it there. Right. Yeah. custom i’ve always said that’s the key to me in your name yep so yep it’s easy to probably say well of course we all know what that means but tell us the difference well perfect fit you know it’s funny not everybody does know about that and that’s part of what got me interested in starting this business was just talking to people i noticed you know like i would pull out my custom molds and people be like whoa what is that you know they they didn’t know like no Mostly when I was talking to military people, veterans and service members, and it’s like, oh, my gosh, people don’t know that this exists. I have to get the word out. So that was part of what kind of stopped started started me doing this. But, yeah, I mean, for me, I have and for you, too. We have small, smaller ear canals here. So while I can get foam earplugs in pretty well, it takes a lot of manipulation and adjustment. It takes seconds, you know, 10 to 15 seconds probably for me to get foam in really deep and really well. Whereas with a custom, that’s one of the pros of custom is it’s just like a two-step, you know, two-second thing. So if you need something that you can get in faster, if you don’t have the time to fuss around with, compressing the foam, pulling your ear up, massaging it in, make sure it’s deep in. Um, custom is way better. Obviously earphones are good for that too. Quick on and off. Um, but another downside with foam is if your hands are dirty, whatever kind of work you’re doing, you know, you don’t want to get that dirt on the foam earplugs, which is not necessary with custom. So there’s a lot of pros to custom, um, over foam and ear muffs. And really, I mean, I’m biased, but it’s all I use now for everything. Cause it just. It fits the best. It fits the most consistently. It’s fast to get in. They’re reusable. They last for years. I just love them.
SPEAKER 05 :
And most of us would not shoot without eye protection.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
So why shoot without ear protection? Yeah, that’s a good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s a good point. And that goes into what we talk about, about how vision is on people’s radar but not hearing always. You don’t think about your hearing until you start having a problem with it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That’s for sure.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, one shot can change your hearing forever. Get in. Get a good hearing test. Get a base level of where you’re at and Dr. Fling will take care of you. And once again, her number is 7208-397-705. You’ll get a professional hearing test. She can get you properly fitted with her array of custom ear solutions. She’s got a lot of them. And real quick, you can make things for other products. I just gave you some iPods, is that what you call it? Your AirPods, your Apple AirPods. So you can make my custom tips. Yep, we’ll make some molds for those. I’m telling you, they’re so slick. Yes. They just don’t… They won’t stay. Due to my small canals. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, so this is… Everybody should get those.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, we’ll get you hooked up with those.
SPEAKER 05 :
So, hey, if you’ve got all your different pods that you’re wearing and different things that you’re wearing, here for the studio, boy, she made me some nice ones that fit my ears good, and I don’t have to wear the big mouse that you traditionally wear in radio, but… I tell you, I love mine. You will, too. If you’re not sleeping good and you need to be quiet where you sleep, she can help you out there, too. So all under one roof is Custom Ear Solutions, Dr. Melissa Fling. Again, her number is 720-839-7705. Dr. Fling, as always, we appreciate your time.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thanks for being with us today on Sportsman Colorado. Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, and we’ll talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 16 :
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