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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. I am Alan Thomas. I get to guest host the show today while Kim is out visiting family. So thank you all for listening. Each of you are valued and treasured today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, soul, mind and body. Thank you, Producer Joe, as always, for getting us all set. This fog is pretty crazy. Like I said, coming down south, I could see it looming, but it was pretty clear in south Denver. But we can’t even see the parking lot from up here anymore. I was about to say, we usually have a beautiful view from this window, and you can’t even see your hand in front of your face, basically. I know. It’s crazy throughout the year, you know, in the middle of winter. This show will start in the dead of night, and maybe by the time we’re done, the sun’s coming up. But I usually like the June time frame because we get the sunrise as the show starts. 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So getting over to the word of the day, I read an interesting article that hopefully we’ll get to discuss here in a couple minutes by Dr. Tom Cranwitter on his sub-stack, Zetetic Questions, talking about citizenship. spurred this word of the day so the word of the day is praxis p-r-a-x-i-s it’s a noun and it’s practice as distinguished from political theory so It’s how is that theory actually put into effect? How is it practiced as opposed to just theoretically what it should be? So obviously, this idea of birthright citizenship has come up thanks to President Trump’s executive order, and it’s probably going to get better. It’s going to be heard at the Supreme Court. But this article really critiques the praxis of birthright citizenship. So how the ideal of equal protection has translated into a modern legal application. So, again, hopefully we’ll be discussing it here in a couple of minutes. But. Also wanted to set up some of our featured guests today. First hour here, we’ll be talking with State Senator Kevin Lundberg about his Lundberg report for most all of the hour. Wanted to dive a little bit into Colorado’s tangle of red tape. So, ironically, there’s a thought from nearly 2,000 years ago that can still hit home today. Luckily, human nature doesn’t change too much, but… Wanted to read a quote by Tacitus. So Tacitus was a Roman senator, a historian, and really one of the sharpest minds of the ancient world. So he chronicled the rise and decay of empires and really saw firsthand how governments mask decay with laws and decrees. And again, may have been 2,000 years ago, but he did warn, the more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. And as we’ll be going over with Kevin Lundberg, just something to keep in mind. The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. There’s a lot of different reasons for that. But just here in Colorado, this last session, the last count I had, I mean, once you get up in the 700s, it gets difficult to keep track. But approximately 733 bills passed. which was a slight increase from last session, with over 486 enacted into law, which is just mind-boggling how we as citizens can even keep up with that many new laws going into effect. Some of them recently, some of them go into law pretty quickly, some of them they allow you to wait until a future date. Still A ridiculous number to keep track of. And how do we, the citizens, even keep track of that, right? How do you keep track of what you can and cannot do when each year hundreds of laws are going into effect? So something that did happen on Friday, something good that Governor Polis did, he did veto the rideshare bill. So he did… I cite vague language, fear of losing companies. We challenge Governor Polis that there are quite a few bills that have vague language that he should have used the veto pen on more often. But that was something good that happened on Friday. Something… Something small, but something we can at least chalk up as a win for those of us that are keeping track of things. But I did want to come back over to this article by Dr. Tom Cranawitter. It was an article that got me thinking, and I wanted to pass that along. Again, you can find it on his sub-stack, Zetetic Questions, Z-E-T-E-T-I-C Questions. And he really challenges this idea of what it means to be a citizen in the U.S. and why we should just automatically get to be citizens. So it’s time for us to clarify, and he proposes a constitutional amendment to precisely outline what is required and who should be invited to be citizens of the U.S., And it’s very interesting because he goes over the idea that Madison has that a compact is the essence of a free society. In other words, a compact is an agreement. And for an agreement to be mutual, voluntary, and morally legitimate, it requires consent. And so therefore, he kind of restates that dictum without violating its spirit. Consent is the essence of free society. And in freedom thinkers, that’s a pretty easy idea to wrap your wrap your brain around. Right. We want the freedom of choice. And, you know, again, we think back to the Declaration of Independence, where it has the line that to secure these rights, these unalienable rights that we have as human beings, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. And so that leads to kind of three questions that pretty obvious questions that American American citizens should ask is when did I agree to accept the duties and responsibilities of being a U.S. citizen? When did anyone invite me to be a citizen? And when was I offered a choice? And when did I respond in the affirmative? And he points out you’re kind of struck with those are pretty obvious questions, but there are no obvious answers to those very obvious questions. And so it kind of challenges this idea that political legitimacy requires consent. So how did we currently consent to being a citizen? And so the interesting thing is this dispute being considered in front of the Supreme Court There’s two issues to it, right? Obviously, the first is, how can a federal judge have the power to block an executive order government agency, right? But we’ll ignore that one for now, because that’s a… When you look at the Constitution, it’s a little disturbing that one branch could try and assume that much power. But the other one is President Trump ending birthright citizenship, basically giving citizenship to anybody born in the U.S., regardless of the legal status of the parents. Right. And of course, you know, we’ve all thought about many of these, but it was interesting how he pulled in the history of birthright citizenship. And how that was actually underlying the king’s law, British law at the time of the American Revolution. It’s really a medieval, theocratic, divine right monarchy type idea that you were born into this world. you are born into this sovereign land, so therefore you are a citizen of that land. And the interesting thing he points out is that the Americans were actually rejecting the entire principle of birthright citizenship and its political corollary, lifetime allegiance. When they said, hey, we’re going to make our own nation, they were saying, we no longer want to be British citizens. We reject this idea that we have to have an entire lifetime of allegiance to this government. So it’s very interesting when you look at the arguments that the left is making that this modern idea of birthright citizenship is in fact rooted in the medieval monarchical concept of birthright citizenship. And again, goes back to this idea that Madison has that an agreement requires consent, not implied or tacit or assumed consent, but clear, articulate consent. And therefore… Dr. Cranwitter proposed that we the people should adopt an amendment that clarifies these supreme civic questions of citizenship. Again, noting that the 14th Amendment was not particularly well written. And so maybe we should make it a little bit more specific. And so he proposes that Anybody born within the U.S. who are U.S. citizens should enjoy basic protections as children. And then once they become legally emancipated as adults, they should be asked to take an oath of citizenship. Clear statement of the civic rights and many duties that comes with being a self-governing, responsible, productive, self-reliant citizen. Or choose not to become a U.S. citizen. And that no shrugs or nods. It has to be a yes or a no. And the same question should be asked to those born on foreign soil, to parents who are U.S. citizens traveling abroad. Again, citizenship should not just be automatic. He says you should… ask people to be active and engaged citizens in the U.S. And he also wanted to make it very clear, choosing not to become a citizen doesn’t mean you just have to leave the U.S. Perhaps we should offer the equivalent of being a lawful permanent resident. But the important part is an individual who chooses not to become a U.S. citizen should not be able to vote, should not be on juries, won’t hold any office in government, and certainly shouldn’t qualify for the benefits and subsidies funded by the U.S. taxpayers. So the second part of that amendment is saying, hey, if you were born here, if you just got lucky or your parents aren’t U.S. citizens and you were born on the U.S., you don’t just get to luck into it. You’re welcome to naturalize into it. You’re. You’re welcome to go that route. But again, it’s this idea of a compact. You should be invited by we, the people to become a citizen. And all those who accept the offer will have clearly and affirmatively consented to become a citizen. So a good way to, again, just a way to think about this idea differently. I was really challenged by this article. So again, you can find that article online, but again, Really appreciated the thought that went into it and this idea that, hey, maybe we should clarify. We, the people, should propose an amendment to clarify what citizenship is as opposed to having bureaucracies or presidents or politicians debate over this idea. We, the people, should propose how to make it permanent. 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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas guest hosting the Kim Munson show today. Thank you all for listening. Make sure and sign up for the weekly email newsletter where you get to look at upcoming guests as well as the most recent essays. You can email the whole show at Kim at Kim Munson dot com M.O.N. S.O.N. dot com. And thank you all for contributing to support the independent voice and allowing us to exercise our right of freedom of speech. Also, wanted to highlight a new sponsor to the show. If you have big dreams for your future but not sure how to get there, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know your financial life is unique, and as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first. No sales pressure, no one-size-fits-all approach, just thoughtful guidance built around you. So take the first step towards your future and call Mint Financial Strategies at 303-285-3080. Again, 303-285-3080. And also make sure and visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful River Rock in Pueblo. Either make a day trip of it or visit it as you’re driving through. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award-winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The Center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients in teaching and upholding the principles of America, which are honor, integrity, and patriotism. So for more information, check out the website AmericanValuesCenter.org. Well, this morning we have a lot to get to and somebody that’s keeping up with everything going on here in Colorado and, as always, has thoughtful analysis of it. We’re joined here on the radio by former State Senator Kevin Lundberg. Kevin, welcome to the show.
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Well, Alan, thanks. Glad to be with you. Kind of filling in for Kim’s absence for a little while, but glad to be a part of the program.
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Yeah, it’s always great getting to visit grandkids, right? I don’t have any of myself, but I know their grandparents sure enjoy taking care of my kids.
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Well, I’ve got a few, and yeah, that takes our attention.
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which is actually probably a good lead-in to you have a Kevin Lundberg report that comes out periodically. And number one on the list this week is Protect Kids Colorado is busy and at work right now. So how about you give us an update on that?
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Well, yeah, and actually I’m also chairman of the board for Protect Kids Colorado, so I keep a very close eye on what we’re doing. But this really impacts everybody in the state in a lot of ways. We started last year as an effort to put a couple of initiatives on the ballot, which we weren’t quite successful with. But tell you what, we realized that we have an untapped resource in this state, and that’s citizens of this state who can step up and make a difference together. And so we’re going back at it this year. We are actually working with some other efforts to really find that critical mass to put something on the ballot that deals with the transgender issues and related areas that protect kids. that stand up and say, in Colorado, we are not going to play the game that compromises the safety and really the integrity of childhood, if you will. And so much is happening in our public schools today that promotes this transgender ideology. So here’s what… Last week was pretty busy for PKC, and that is… First, we were a party to a lawsuit that was filed Monday of last week challenging the constitutionality of House Bill 1312. And that’s the bill that really threatens the custody of parents if they refuse to affirm the transgender dysphoria that their child may have. But it also silences everybody because it makes it illegal to use a legal name for somebody if they have a chosen name that’s different. That becomes part of the anti-discrimination laws now, has become, because the governor signed it. And that’s really what PKC is suing over, is we can’t really engage in our principal mission If we can’t use legitimate legal names for people who have gone down the road to, you know, think they’re somebody that they’re not, essentially. So we’re joining some other groups that are, there’s a legal firm out in the D.C. area that’s looked at this and said, this shouldn’t be, we need to challenge this. And so Protect Kids Colorado became one of the, plaintiffs on the suit. That was Monday. And then on Wednesday, we were down at the title board and got a couple of our initiatives approved initially. Now, I say initially because There are those out there that don’t want to see these things on the ballot, and so they’ll challenge them. And they’ve already challenged the first one, which was banning men and women’s sports in our schools. But then the two measures that we did get approved, one is more of a general one on increasing the penalty for – And engaging in child sex trafficking, and that is if you’re going to buy or sell children for sexual purposes, that’s as serious as a murder rap, frankly, a first-degree felony. And so we’re going to be working on putting that on the ballot for this bill. Understand that initiatives are only engaged in in general elections every other year. And then the other one is banning all these child mutilation surgeries for transgender nonsense. um and anyway we got the approval initially we expect some legal challenges down the road but we we fully expect to have some petitions in our hand uh sometime later in the summer and we will hit the ground running but we’ll only do it if everybody joins us but that’s what we’re doing right now is we’re recruiting people to be a part of this effort and to carry petitions. And you may say, well, I’ll wait until you get the petitions. No, now’s the time we’re organizing. And so I encourage anybody to go to protectkidscolorado.org and get more information and hopefully join us and donate to the cause and help us push down the road. But then there’s another issue that came up last week, and that is key to what we’ve been doing has been the Lee family, John and Aaron Lee, who were highlighted in the film that I put together called Art Club. And they’ve been suing the Poudre School District in federal court. to stop them from doing what they did to their daughter. And if you want to know more about that, go to artclubmovie.com and watch the film.
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Yeah, you do a good job of plugging the links there.
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Well, and here’s the thing. They’ve moved through the process, so the next step is to appeal to the Supreme Court. the United States Supreme Court, which this case really is being set up as a test case that might be the one that really underscores because the lower courts have said well no parents really don’t have a say when schools want to get involved in this this is what the suit’s all about is is to to say to to demand that the school district stop engaging in this transgender grooming processes that that they fully endorse and and i have doubled down on uh since uh the lee case became uh well known um And, you know, they’re intent on forcing this down the, you know, on the kids that are in their schools. And unfortunately, the legal structure just isn’t, can’t handle this. So it needs to be looked at by the Supreme Court. And they really need to sit down and say, no, parents should, at the absolute minimum, be told everything that happens to their children. And none of this should be withheld from them, but that’s what they’re doing in the schools. So we’re kind of excited about the fact that this is seriously being done. And the actual story was the leaves need to pay for all the printing costs and the like. And so we helped them launch a, well, just encouraged them, frankly, to launch a give, send, go program. and so they’re raising funds to make it to the Supreme Court and to appeal to the court. You know, it takes $10,000 to just print the material that you hand to the court to say we’d like you to consider our case. Wow. I learn something every day. Yeah, it’s a pretty high bar.
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Yeah. And I noticed, too, in your report, pretty cool, the attorney is actually doing a lot of pro bono work on this as well. Oh, yeah. A lot of costs go towards paying attorneys, but even then, a really expensive process, even if the attorney’s doing pro bono work.
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Yeah, well, and they have expenses that need to be covered. that are out of pockets, and so that’s a part of the situation, too. But there’s an interesting story on the attorneys, because the attorney who actually took this on initially to say, yes, we will go after this, was with first, let’s see, America First Policy Institute, looked at this and said, this is a case that we think ought to go before the courts and get proved up. Now, that original attorney is no longer on the case. unfortunately. Well, maybe fortunately, because her name is Pam Bondi, and she’s the Attorney General for the United States now, so she can’t take this case on personal, or, you know, through the American First Policy Institute, but the organization is still solidly behind it and working hard, and, you know, they’re preparing the documents that need to be printed, and now we just need to pay for it, so… it’s it was a busy week for pkc and and it it just you know there are so many things to be done and let me say this one final thing i know we’ve got to go to break really quick here but but the this is not just about as important as this is this is not just about the transgender issue on the ballot this is about changing the conversation of for the people of colorado when they go to vote next year because this is an A prime example of what the current legislature and governor has been shoving down the throats of the citizens of Colorado. And people need to face up to the reality that we need a significant change in our legislature. And I honestly believe that these initiatives, if we can get these on the ballot, will change. possibly be the, you know, the lynchpin for changing the political environment in this state.
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And like many efforts, it requires a lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot of the treasure that people have worked hard to get. So make sure and head on over to protectkidscolorado.org. There you can sign up to volunteer if you want to get actively involved in this. But if you don’t have the time, don’t have the ability to go out there and collect signatures for these initiatives, make sure and donate. I’m sure the donate link is pretty obvious there, Kevin Lundberg. But make sure you go to Protect Kids Colorado and visit that site. The website works. Yeah, definitely.
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And that’s kind of our central point, yeah.
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And also, like you said, I just want to highlight as well, for John and Aaron Lee, Head on over to GiveSendGo.com. You can look up Lee. I believe it’s V. Poudre, right? You should be able to look up the Lees in the Poudre district and find it.
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If you just go to my website and click on the latest Lundberg report, I’ve got a link right there. The link actually says, please consider what you can do for this family. Just click on that and you’re there.
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Click on that link, help out a family that’s just trying to help other families watch out for their children as well. So we’re excited to keep Kevin Lumberg on the line here, and we’ll come back and talk about more happenings in the state. But we also want to say thank you to our longtime sponsor of the show, Karen Levine.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim Munson while she visits family. Thank you all for listening. Make sure and sign up for the weekly email newsletter where you get to see the excellent guests we have coming up, such as the guests we have on the line right now. Former state Senator Kevin Lumberg. You can always email the show at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. And thank you for contributing to keep. This show independent and allow us to exercise the right of the freedom of speech. So, you know, we covered a lot of some of the madness that happened with a lot of the transgender bills and 1312 and what Protect Kids Colorado dot org is doing. But that was not all of the terrible bills that were passed. And just again, wanted to highlight the the quote of the day. coming from tacitus the more corrupt the state the more it legislates and kevin in your report this the second thing we’re talking about is another piece of legislation that kind of didn’t slip through unnoticed but was less controversial than 1312 but as you point out camp idra haji is fighting back on some other terrible legislation that’s not named 1312.
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Well, yeah, so much has happened to set this up. And by the way, it’s called Hydra Haji. camp hydra haji they’ve been around for over 75 years now and i’ve known about them for about 50 years and then they’re just a great camp in the bailey area the christian camp you know summer camp type program and and a couple of my kids who went through there and and it’s just just a good good solid place i remember working with them back when i was in the senate They were having trouble because the state back then was putting some extra standards on whether parents could put their kids in the school if the parent had wanted to exempt their child from certain vaccinations. This was back in 2018, long before COVID showed up. And they were saying, you know, we need to let parents make these decisions. And the state was coming in and saying, no, you’ve got to have this form filled out and the parent has to jump through this hoop and trying to sort that out for them back then. Well, now with this whole transgender stuff. The, what’s it called, the Department of Early Childhood or something like that, which is something that polls set up through the legislature, through previous bills that were passed in the last few years. They informed the camp that they have to, if they want to keep their license, and you’ve got to be licensed to be a summer camp nowadays in Colorado, that they have to allow… children with gender dysphoria, in other words, you know, these trans kids have to be allowed to be in whatever bathroom and whatever dorm room or cabin that they choose, and Camp Hydro Haji being a based on solid biblical values, said, no, no, we’re going to keep the boys in the boys’ rooms and the girls in the girls’ rooms, and we’re not going to have this madness in our camp. And so the only alternative they’ve got is to sue the state. And I wanted people to be aware of this, that, yeah, it goes far beyond 1312. There are so many bills, and the real push on all of this transgender ideology thing really started in 2019, the first year Polis was governor. And previous to that, for four years at least, the Republicans had control of the Senate, so bad bills didn’t get out past us. But then when the Dees took over both houses and the governor’s office, They just came out with a whole pile of bills that pushed all this, and now you have this nonsense like this where a Christian camp can’t operate by their own values that the parents want to be there, but no, the state comes in and says, you’ve got to do what we’re going to do. Well, Camp Hydrahaji is not going to do that. And we’ll see what the courts say about all this, but I wanted people to be aware of that situation because it just… You know, it’s coming at us from every direction. That’s why it’s a big deal to do what we’re doing with Protect Kids Colorado, too.
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It’s one of the interesting, great conflicts that our country was founded on, is that actually they want that conflict in the machinations of government. They don’t want the government to operate efficiently themselves. and not have debate right and that was one of the interesting things about 1312 when it was passed we we fortuitously had max brooks on the day after 1312 was being heard in the house and they the democrats silenced debate on that they limited debate they didn’t allow it to happen and like you pointed out all of this has happened because elections have consequences and when When the government is able to bypass the minority, when the minority doesn’t have a voice or an ability to push back on some of this ideological policy, it doesn’t serve anybody well, either side. We really should have that conflict. The government should not be efficient in passing rules and laws.
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Absolutely. I mean, you really hit a button I feel very deeply about, because I spent 16 years down in the legislature, in the House and the Senate, and I learned that the process is vital for every representative and every senator to be able to present their views that the people sent them down to do. And what the What they did this year in silencing debates so many times was just a gross violation of that principle. I was appalled, just appalled at how many times they would shut down debate. I saw it happen once or twice in my 16 years in the legislature, and And there, the first time, it was only after we had had three days of just back and forth on a very controversial issue. And then at the very end, and the Republicans were in charge, and the sponsor of the bill got up, and he said, and I called the question. So he shut off all debate. And then what happens is then the body is to vote, and the majority doesn’t. carries it well we had a majority of republicans but there are three of us i was one of them who said no but we we didn’t have enough votes to to go over it and so in fact the republicans actually shut down the final debate on on a very controversial bill and i knew that was wrong and and i’ll tell you what that that set things up so that really a lot of the politics that drove the legislature the other direction came out of that one lousy vote that we held back in 2003. And now the Democrats are just doing it with impunity again and again and again. They have just corrupted the political process. Because you’re quite right. It should be very, very difficult to make law. And that’s one thing about a bicameral system is you’ve got a House and a Senate. And, you know, it’s easy to kill a bill. It’s really hard to get one pass if you play by the rules. And therefore, it filters out most of the dross, you might say. But they’re not doing that anymore.
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And this is an issue that cuts through political division, this idea that the state can somehow love your kid more than you. This is something that both Republicans and Democrats can agree on. And the fact that this legislature wants to cut through the ties of parenthood is beyond disappointing it’s it’s scary and it’s terrifying and and make sure and protect kids colorado.org to get involved with that and to pass it along to your friends and your neighbors and just say listen we we all agree that we love our kids just as much as anybody else and we love our kids more than the state does so uh On the line, we have former State Senator Kevin Lundberg. When we come back, we’re going to talk a little bit about Arapahoe County and some of the voting anomalies that happened in the 2020 session. But before we do, we’re going to listen a little bit to John Bosen at Bosen Law.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim Munson today. Make sure and visit the website, kimmunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. There you can sign up for the weekly email newsletter. And also on the line with us, we have former state senator Kevin Lundberg. Make sure and visit kevinlundberg.com or just even search and Google Kevin Lundberg report. There you can sign up for that report as well. Get that to your inbox. So So far we’ve covered compelled speech, the idiocy of licensure laws, silencing debate, and free thought. It’s not even 7 a.m., so why don’t we throw some elections in the mix here, Kevin Lumberg?
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We’ve only got a few minutes left, but this is a big deal. And it’s very much on the front burner. A little bit of background here. There was a researcher at Yale University who some months ago ran across a strange anomaly in the Arapahoe County cast vote records from the 2020 election. And here’s what the guy did is he compared the votes ballot by ballot for the presidential race, which was Biden and Trump, and the vote on the Gallagher Amendment, which was a measure to repeal the Gallagher Amendment. And what he found was if you took the Biden votes, in other words, ballots that voted for Biden, and you tracked how they voted for or against the Gallagher Amendment, and you took the Trump votes, the ballots that have a vote for Trump, and you tracked it, that they were almost identical. They were within 1%. And this wasn’t just the aggregate vote. This was as the votes were being counted in the election counting process there in Arapahoe County. And you lay the graph of the two, the Biden votes and the Trump votes, on how they voted for Gallagher, and they’re identical. Well, statistically, it doesn’t work that way. And if you look at another county like El Paso County, they were totally different. Because the Gallagher amendment really was people who were more conservative voted against and people who were more liberal voted for it. And that’s the exact, you know, anyway, this was an anomaly that, that was just statistically impossible, but there it is. Well, this researcher passed the word along to two different people and, and it got back to the Arapahoe County clerk’s office, apparently. Well, they, then last April, you know, last month, the clerk’s office came out with a where the votes were all changed. And both point to severe manipulation of this legal record of what the votes were in 2020 in Arapahoe County. And we’re talking about over 350,000 votes were cast that year in that county. So it wasn’t just a little blip on a little screen. It was a big deal. And There are those of us who are trying to say, hey, we need to look at this because there’s obvious evidence of illegal election manipulation. Illegal because you’re not to manipulate the results. But obviously something happened here and something happened a couple of times. And I want to make sure that people know about it. Now, this all goes to the point that today… On the west steps of the Capitol at 2.30 in the afternoon, we’re going to hold a press conference. And we have an expert, Dr. Dougherty. He is a computer scientist who actually got his doctorate at Harvard. And I know he taught at Texas A&M for many, many years down in Texas. And I think he’s a professor emeritus at this point. Anyway, he’s supposed to be there to explain all this and to get the conversation going. I also have this information on my website. If you go to the website, if you can’t make that press conference down at the Capitol today at 2.30, you can get most of the information online. If you go to my website and go to the current newsletter and go down to the thing about Arapahoe County and click on the information, I’ve got two links. One is a story from Rock Mountain Voice, and the other one is the actual data that we’re talking about here. I mean, not the whole cast record vote, but a discussion on it and showing the graphs and talking about how the problem is significant. And We can’t just sweep this under the rug and say, oh, well, that was then. No, this is a big question is who did this and why did they do it?
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It’s transparency, right? How can we, in a representative government, we the people need to have confidence that our vote is getting counted and counted correctly, right? It’s speaking to truth and trust in the system. And, again, you know, sometimes it gets a little difficult when you’re talking numbers, when you’re talking statistics. But I think everybody can kind of understand the concept that when things perfectly align – But statistically and in life, I can’t count the number of things that happened perfectly, right, Kevin Lundberg?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Well, and when I say that they were identical, they were within 1%. But if you look at everything, yeah, you know, they liken this, it’s like flipping a coin 3,500 times so it always comes out heads. It just doesn’t work that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
And especially when you have election data from other counties, right? I mean, there’s a lot of ways to look at data and to infer things. But when you look across the whole rest of the state and you go, wait, why do things align so perfectly in just one county? It’s things that should make you say, we need to ask the questions, we need to get to the bottom of it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly, exactly. And so, yeah, I think this is a huge issue that is… that needs to be looked into. And I should mention this in these waning moments, and this is totally unrelated to this effort I’m talking about, digging into what’s happening in Arapahoe County. But next week in Colorado, what may be a very important case or trial will be held in Denver in the 10th Circuit courtrooms with Mike Lindell. He’s being sued for defamation of character by somebody who was in charge of some of that election equipment we’re talking about. And Mike Lindell, you know, everybody knows who he is. He has been just a champion in trying to dig down to the bottom of this and he’s looking forward to this court case because he said finally I’m going to have my day in court I’m going to be able to present the evidence as to why I believe we do have problems that do need to be cured So stay tuned. I think that Colorado is, even as it has become kind of the poster child for transgender stuff, is going to be the focal point for looking at our election processes and not to complain. but to fix, to cure, to find the solutions that work right. And I know the Department of Justice is concerned about these issues as well. The president, he understands what’s at stake here. Anyway, a lot of things are happening, and there’s going to be some very interesting information down at the Capitol today. Pray for good weather. I don’t want a rainstorm in the middle of this.
SPEAKER 14 :
But regardless, the truth will go on, right? And so that’s down at the Capitol at 2.30, correct?
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct, on the west steps. That’s the plan, and this will be an expert flying in with the sole purpose to explain it.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, make sure and visit KevinLundberg.com to make sure and keep up with all this. And we’ve got about a minute left here, Kevin. How do you want to button it all up?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, this may seem overwhelming, especially, you know, we’ve covered so many topics in this last hour, but people have to be engaged. This is the key to good government. Good government doesn’t work when you let somebody else to do it. And if you look at our nation’s founding, and you referred back to this earlier, it was a totally new concept. Instead of kings running things, it’s we the people. And we the people have to get engaged and do it You know, roller sleeves up and be a part of the solution. If not, then the problems will just multiply. But I’m encouraged. I am very upbeat on what’s happening here in Colorado because I do see a lot of people plugging in. And it’s just a blessing to be a part of the solution.
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And that’s a great lead into the end of the show quote. So thank you, former Representative Kevin Lumberg, for that. You’ll appreciate this one. It’s by Alexis de Tocqueville, and it’s a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him. So when somebody cheers for unchecked power from above, it often means they’ve lost faith in their neighbors. And that’s the exact opposite of the design of our government. We need to be trusting our neighbors and not our government. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman said, for truth, justice, and the American way, you are not alone. God bless you and God bless America. And make sure and stay tuned for hour number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. Welcome back to our number two. I’m Alan Thomas, and I’m happy to guest host the show today while Kim is traveling. So make sure and visit the website at Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. There you can sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email the show at Kim at KimMonson.com. And thank you all for contributing to support the independent voice and allowing this show to exercise our right to freedom of speech. And something that should always be on your bucket list if you’re ever going through Pueblo is to visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Riverwalk. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. And the centers focus on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients, as well as teaching and upholding the principles of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. So for more information, check out the website AmericanValuesCenter.org. That’s AmericanValuesCenter.org. Thank you all for listening. Each of you is valued and treasured. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, soul, mind, and body. And as always, thank you to Producer Joe for working diligently back there behind the boards, taking all the phone calls, passing on all the messages. So thank you for all that you do. It’s my pleasure. It’s like one giant game of telephone, basically. It is indeed. It’s the joy of live radio, right? Thank you to the Harris family also for your sponsorship of the show. Today, in the first hour, I went through an article by Dr. Tom Cranwitter on his sub-stack, Zetetic Questions, about birthright citizenship and some challenges there. that he proposed an amendment that he proposed, a citizenship amendment. And it led me to this word of the day, praxis, P-R-A-X-I-S. It’s a noun. And it is practice as distinguished from theory. So you have a political theory, but then how do you put it into practice? And so the article critiques the praxis of birthright citizenship, how the equal protection law, of birthright citizenship has been translated into modern legal theory. And some very interesting questions that he poses in there is this idea of birthright citizenship and how it corresponds to a monarchical divine right citizenship that our American founders actually rejected. So a very intriguing article, an article that will definitely make you think. As well as the quote of the day, We talked with former Senator Kevin Lundberg earlier about some of the laws that have been enacted by Colorado over the last legislative session. So it brought back this idea from nearly 2000 years ago from Tacitus, who was a Roman senator, a historian and one of the sharpest political minds of the ancient world. He chronicled the rise and decay of empires and saw firsthand how government can mass decay with laws and decrees. And he warned the more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. So again, uh, make sure and listen back into our number one on, on some of that. But I wanted to highlight a couple, couple headlines. Um, first of all, just our, our prayers go out to, uh, everyone involved in the Liverpool, uh, accident this weekend a driver plowed through a crowd of soccer fans who were just there to celebrate liverpool football club’s premier league victory on monday details are still coming out about that but there were some deaths lots of injury so our our prayers go out to all the families involved in that also wanted to highlight yesterday van Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the FBI, announced the agency is going to further investigate several incidents, shall we say, that happened during the Biden administration, such as cocaine being found in the Biden White House. the leak of the draft of the Dobbs decision by the Supreme court. And also the pipe bombs that were left near the DNC and RNC offices in Washington, DC on January, 2021. So, uh, keep, keep your eyes peeled for that. Definitely need some answers from those. Uh, but luckily on the line with us, we have John Boson with Boson law. And today he wants to cover, uh, some auto accident basics. What do you do when you or loved ones involved in an auto accident due to somebody else putting you there? So welcome to the show, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good morning, Alan. Great show. A lot of stuff to cover. I had not heard about the Bongino headline. That’s good to know that he’s going to go back and we’re going to hopefully figure out what happened with those incidences. But yeah, this morning, just very briefly, auto accident basics. We hope that we and loved ones and friends, neighbors, coworkers, no one wants to get in an accident. But, unfortunately, for some of us, it’s just one of those life’s curveballs that’s going to get thrown at us. And what to do when it happens is important. First thing, Alan, I just want folks to know, if someone causes an accident, that you’re involved in, it’s very important that a determination of fault be made. And the best person to do that, the person that should do that, is an officer of the law. So first, number one, if Abel went involved in an accident, call 911, call the police, have them come out there and make a determination as to who was at fault, that the other driver was responsible for that accident. Next most important thing, If, well, it’s right there at the top, really. But if someone is injured in an accident, they need to acknowledge that when the ambulance, the EMTs get there, the officer asks questions and seek and get medical attention for anything that doesn’t feel right. And I’ve been doing this for a long time, and I’ve had a lot of folks tell me I thought it was okay. I felt a little something. Well, you feel a little something. You’ve got to get in. You’ve got to get checked out by a medical professional. Make sure that something more significant isn’t going on that could literally be life-threatening. And then I’ll jump right to the last one here. Call me. Call Bozen Law so that you can get the advice. That can make all the difference early on in a motor vehicle collision claim. Folks don’t know what they don’t know, and it can definitely affect in a very negative way what happens with regard to any kind of a claim. They have insurance companies have a lot of information that they will not necessarily understand. used for the benefit of the accident victims. So I want to talk with folks before they talk to the other driver’s insurance company and the number to call to do that is 303-999-9999. The call, the consultation, there’s no obligation, there’s no fee and the advice that the individual will get will be very valuable.
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Well, and that’s great information, and I just encourage everyone to save that number in your phone already. You know, when you talk about being prepared before it happens, right? It’s good to think through these things that way. When it happens, there’s a lot of emotions involved, so just think through these things before it even happens the first time.
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Yeah, I tell folks all the time, I’d rather you know me and not need me than need me and not know me. So put that number in the phone, call it, don’t hesitate. And hopefully you never need to call it.
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Hopefully, you know, and you know, I know one of the other sponsors of the show we’ll, we’ll get to with Roger Mangan, but I just also wanted to highlight, you know, I’m involved in the insurance business as well. State minimums for property liability are not adequate whatsoever. And then also making sure that you have uninsured underinsured because you know, if somebody hits you and, and they’re not properly covered and you’re not, uh, That just isn’t a recipe for a good day, is it?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and Alan, you must have heard us talk about this. There’s more uninsured drivers on Colorado’s roads and highways than I can ever recall in the past. I’m sure the statistics would bear that out. And you get hit by an uninsured driver, it’s a really, really bad day. It’s a bad day to begin with, but then when you find out they have no insurance coverage, You need to make sure you’ve got folks out there. Check with your agent. Call Roger Mangan. Let him review your policy. But make sure you’ve got that uninsured, underinsured motorist coverage that protects you. It’s your policy. It protects you in the event you get hit by one of those uninsured drivers. And there’s a lot of them out there right now, Alan.
SPEAKER 14 :
There really is, and it really is unfortunate. The irony is with how much our state legislates, you would think you’d be covered by state minimums. You’d think that some of this would be taken care of since they want to legislate everything down to what name you can even call your kid. But such is the way of things.
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Scary times we live in, no doubt.
SPEAKER 14 :
It really is. Well, thank you again for joining the show, John. And again, make sure and save that number, 303-999-9999.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you, Alan. Have a great rest of your show.
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Welcome back to the show. This is Alan Thomas. I’m hosting the show today while Kim is traveling, so thanks for listening in. Make sure to visit the website, KimMonson.com, and sign up for the weekly email newsletter. There you’ll get a good synopsis of the upcoming guests and the topics to be discussed for the week, as well as the most recent essays. You can always email the show at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. And thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice and exercising our freedom of speech. And again, just in light of Memorial Day, just wanted to recommend visiting the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, Colorado, where they get to celebrate our Medal of Honor recipients, as well as also teaching and upholding the principles of America, which are honor, integrity and patriotism. Speaking of honor and integrity, excited to have on the line with us Jeremy Portnoy. Jeremy Portnoy is an investigative journalist with OpenTheBooks.com. He’s the author of the nationally syndicated Waste of the Day column at Real Clear Politics, which has been cited by the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, New York Post, PBS, and also several times on the floor of Congress. Also, he worked as a sports reporter covering the New York Giants for SB Nation. So welcome to the show, Jeremy. Thanks for having me, Alan. How are you? Oh, it’s an interesting day here. It seems like the fog has gotten a little bit thicker, but, you know, we’ve covered compelled speech being forced here in Colorado, and now we get to transition a little bit to more national news here with this recent article by Open the Books, Social Security for 200-Year-Olds.
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So we’ve been digging into.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, go ahead. My bad. No, no. Tell us what’s going on there.
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So we’ve been digging into Social Security for a few months now, ever since Doge and Trump took office, talking about how there’s people on the books up to 360 years old still receiving payments. We’ve known for a long time that some of these payments go to dead people, but we’ve been trying to put a figure on exactly how much money is spent and how many people are still on the list that are above that age. But so far, we’ve just been stonewalled in our efforts. We’ve filed Freedom of Information requests with Social Security. They’ve told us they have no record of how many people above 100 years old are still receiving checks. So that’s information that’s really important for taxpayers that they’re just not being transparent with.
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And, you know, one of the things I appreciate about your organization is, you know, Trump and Musk have come out and said all of these things. And you’re like, OK, thanks for highlighting discrepancies. But we still want to check for ourselves. Right. I mean, this is equal opportunity, information and transparency.
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Right. I mean, it’s good. We have an administration that is focused on rooting out the fraud and waste. that we’ve been tracking for over a decade now. But you can’t always take their word for it, right? We want to see what’s really happening. And taxpayers themselves need to understand how much money is being spent. So that’s why we’ve been advocating for what we’re calling America’s Checkbook, which would be a system where every dollar that gets spent by the government is posted online in real time. Right now we have USAspending.gov. That gives us the info about 45 to 60 days after the money’s already been spent. But that’s not good enough. We need to see it as it’s happening so we can really hold people accountable and make sure not a single penny is lost to all this fraud that we see every year.
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And for some of the newer generation as well, what you used to do with a checkbook is as soon as you wrote a check and signed up to pay a service, you’d take your checkbook out and flip to the back and keep an accounting of where is the check going to and for how much. That way you could keep a running tally for your finances for the month. And that’s kind of what you’re asking. You’re like, hey, if we’re going to be paying, let’s keep a running tally of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly, but a lot of times we don’t get this data until months or years after the money’s already been paid out, and it’s almost impossible to recover at that point, right? Like once a year, we get data on improper payments from the government. So we know that last year $346 million was paid to dead people, some of that’s Social Security, some of that’s federal pension money. But like I said, we only get that data once a year, which is not good enough. We need real-time transparency so we can really hold people accountable.
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And one of the interesting things, and I’m glad the article kind of goes through this, is when Trump was making his State of the Union, he was kind of breaking people out into these categories. You know, there was almost 5 million people that are age 100 to 109, which when you sit there and you think about how many people are in a country, you’re like, that feels high. And then he goes, wait a minute, there’s also many millions, 3.6 million from 110 to 119 people. And I loved his quip. At that point, he turned to Robert Kennedy and said, I didn’t know we were that healthy, Bobby. But you kind of go into how in the State of the Union, he broke it out by ages. But you’re having difficulty with the Social Security Administration really also replicating those age ranges as well, right?
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Right. After Trump said that, we went right away and filed an open records request saying, hey, please send us your data, breaking it down by age bracket and by state, showing us exactly where this money is going and how old the recipients are. They told us they don’t have those records. So there’s two scenarios there. Either the record really doesn’t exist and they’re not keeping track of it, which is a huge issue because it should be tracked, or they’re playing games with us and withholding that information to try and keep it secret. Either way, not very good.
SPEAKER 14 :
So by not keeping track, what do you mean? Is this meaning that there’s no record by the Social Security Administration of these individuals or that there’s no record of payments being made?
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That’s what they told us. There’s no record of payments being made that breaks it down by each bracket, which is, again, an issue. We know last year over $10 billion was lost by Social Security in improper payments. That’s money that gets sent to the wrong person or for the wrong amount by mistake. So over time, that adds up to a ton of money. Improper payments across the entire government was about $1 trillion in the last four years, which is a big chunk of our federal debt all sent away by mistake.
SPEAKER 14 :
Seems like there should be a little bit more accountability with a trillion dollars being spent in four years.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s what you would think, right? It’s shocking when you hear those numbers. During the Biden administration, almost $1 trillion lost to improper payments. During Trump’s first term, the number was closer to $700 billion. It just keeps going up. And we only get that data once a year. Every November, the Treasury posts it online. So we’ll find out later this year how much was lost this year and Trump’s first year in office. I’m sure it’s once again going to be in the hundreds of billions.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so that’s interesting because that’s, you know, Trump was kind of vague about this, that money, you know, he quote, money is being paid to many of them and we’re searching it right now. A lot of money is paid out to people because it keeps getting paid and paid and nobody does. But then the Social Security Administration is basically trying to tell you guys that what President Trump wasn’t quite telling the truth at the State of the Union. Is that the is it kind of which one is telling the truth now?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Social Security Administration, they didn’t tell us either way whether it’s telling the truth or not. They’re just telling us they have no records to send us. It’s a very short response. That’s unfortunately the kind of response you get from a lot of federal agencies. It can take up to 1,000 days for them to answer some of these open records requests, oftentimes not with the complete information that we requested. This time, at least, they responded pretty quickly, but they didn’t give us any of the data we were looking for.
SPEAKER 14 :
And how does that work? Do you continue to keep asking them and pushing back, or are they kind of like, hey, we’re closing the books on this, have a good day?
SPEAKER 05 :
If it’s really at the point where we know those records exist, we can file lawsuits. We’ve done that at the federal level, state level, and local level, including at the state of California a couple years back, refused to give us their checkbook. So we had to sue the state and one in court to finally break open those records. But that’s another issue with transparency. We’re talking about real-time data being posted online. A lot of times these agencies can drag their feet in response to open records requests. There’s not always a lot we can do.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what’s the game plan that you guys have now? Because, I mean, obviously there’s people over 100 that are alive and should be getting Social Security checks. So there should be some payments being made.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So we’re trying to go the congressional route now. If they won’t answer our open records request, we’re working with some legislators in Congress trying to change the law and overhaul usaspending.gov, that spending website I just mentioned, to make sure it posts data in real time instead of 45 to 60 days after it’s been spent. So I’m not sure just what I can reveal just now, but you can definitely expect at least one bill to be introduced later in the year, trying to change that system and make it much more useful for taxpayers.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the very least, you’re not giving up on it. You’re not just saying, hey, I trust you guys that you’re giving me all the information, and it seems odd, but thank you. You’re still following up with it and trying to get to the bottom of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. We’ve been doing this since 2013. We were here before Doge. We’re going to be here after them, tracking every dollar that gets spent at the federal, state, and local level, making sure that they’re not a single penny is wasted without everyone knowing about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what a Herculean effort that is to try and get to the bottom of all the spending of the federal government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. It’s really impressive. I mean, I’m not trying to toot my own horn. This was made long before I was working here at Open the Books. Our founder, Adam Andrzejewski, had decisions post every dime online in real time. So we file about 50,000 to 60,000 open records requests every year. posts every dollar that gets spent in checkbooks, every dollar that gets paid in salaries and pensions. You can see it all at OpenTheBooks.com. We’re constantly posting new data.
SPEAKER 14 :
And and again, pretty, pretty obvious name as well. Open the books dot com. So we’re going to go to break. And when we get back, maybe we’ll talk a little bit about how we can actually clean up the database for for the Social Security Administration. But I do want to thank one of the newer sponsors to the show, the second syndicate for their sponsorship.
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SPEAKER 05 :
get results from that data but that leads to follow-up questions and right now the social security administration is really stonewalling open the books right like i said we’ve been filing freedom of information requests trying to get their data on how much money is spent by age bracket so how much money is going to 100 to 110 year olds 110 to 120 possibly all the way up to 360 years old like trump has claimed in his speeches We’re trying to verify that data, but they haven’t been sending it to us so far. All we have is their annual data on improper payments, which is made after the fact, and we can’t hold them accountable to prevent that money from being spent in the first place.
SPEAKER 14 :
And one of the interesting things that Doge is doing as well is they’re saying, okay, not only is this fraudulent, but hey, maybe we should go in and clean up the database and start deleting some of these social security numbers from the database. That way they don’t get used or accidentally sent payments to. And in this article, you highlight how Doge is posting on X some of that record keeping that they’re doing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That’s another big effort our company has been making, has been to try to verify a lot of these cuts that Doge is making, making sure that they’re really happening, making sure that the claims they’re making are accurate, because you’ve probably seen highlighted in the media, sometimes their numbers were inaccurate or misleading. So what we’ve been doing over the last few weeks is we created a spreadsheet of every single grant and contract that Doge says they’ve cut, We’ve been going line by line, trying to verify every single one with the data that’s publicly available on usaspending.gov that tracks all spending. And what we’ve been found is that it’s roughly a 50-50 split between what we can actually verify is definitely true and what we need to just take village’s word for. That doesn’t mean they’re lying about half of them. It just means there’s no way to actually check them besides just assuming that they’re telling the truth.
SPEAKER 14 :
And have you seen any patterns to that at all, Jeremy? Have you seen anything where that 50-50 seems to be broken by department, or is it inter-department dependent? Have you seen any patterns with that?
SPEAKER 05 :
There’s definitely some departments where it’s tougher to verify. The big one is the Department of Defense. There’s so much spending that goes on there that they actually have special rules that allow them to post their spending online later than other federal agencies. I believe it’s up to 90 days or more that they have to post their spending online. So there’s a lot of contracts that we see those are cut from the Department of Defense. When you go online to look at their database, there’s no record of that yet. So we have no idea if that’s actually happening. Similar story with USAID, a lot of foreign aid payments that have supposedly been cut, but we can’t verify to see if those dollar figures are accurate.
SPEAKER 14 :
And the Department of Defense is difficult, right? Because on one hand, you want to protect the national security interests. But to your point as well, we don’t want to be paying $5,000 for a coffee mug or for a hammer, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. It’s a tough balancing act, like you said. If you look at their budget breakdown, it’s only about 21% of defense spending that actually goes to what’s called active forces. So that’s our actual men and women in uniform on the front lines. About 50% of defense spending goes to operations and maintenance, which is the bureaucracy of the Pentagon, people sitting at desks doing office work. So that’s kind of the sector where we’re looking for some cuts to be made, possibly clean up a lot of the fraud and waste that we see in the Pentagon every year.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which, for those keeping track, is only 71% of their budget, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, and then the rest goes to research and testing, salaries for other employees, of course, a lot of their office space and bases they have all across the country. But it’s really that operations and maintenance budget where we see things like, you know, Pentagon being charged 5,600% above market value for spare parts, where we see them failing audits year after year because their record keeping can’t keep track of the money they’re spending. That’s those big issues that we’ve been highlighting all the time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Man, and like I said, just a Herculean task. So when you get these numbers in, what kind of methodology do you guys employ to, one, double-check the accuracy and reliability of the data? And do you guys just have massive spreadsheets keeping track of all of this?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s a lot of Excel work. We have some data people that are much better with computers than I am. They helped us build this into something readable for us. And then me and the rest of the journalism team We’ll go through these Excel sheets of hundreds and thousands of rows, sometimes millions of rows, checking for what sticks out to us. So we’ve been doing this for a long time. We’ve got a pretty good eye for it to see, hey, this seems odd. Let’s dig into this a little more. And that’s sometimes where we find these crazy things. The Pentagon we’ve already been discussing, we found them spending tens of millions of dollars on lobster tail, ribeye steak. Those are the sort of things we look out for.
SPEAKER 14 :
How do you find that smoking gun? It seems like it’s almost like a needle in a haystack. It sounds like a lot to us, right? Tens of millions of dollars seems like it should be easy to find. However, we’re kind of finding out with Doge and some of your investigative work, it’s like, well, tens of millions in the massive haystack of trillions can actually be somewhat difficult to find.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, the problem is that these spending patterns keep being repeated year after year. So unfortunately, we know what to look for, and it keeps popping up over and over again. So I knew seven years ago the Pentagon was spending tens of millions of dollars on lobster tail. So I said, let me do a keyword search for lobster, see what’s in the data this year. And of course, it’s there again, more money being spent on the same things over and over again. So we know what to look for, and unfortunately, it’s usually there.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, as a taxpayer, this is just incredibly frustrating, right, to hear that these taxpayer dollars is going to help other people eat lobster when I’m sure my wife would love to have a little surf and turf night herself, right? I mean, I’d love to spend my money on lobster tail that I could eat. What… What can we even do as taxpayers with this data? I mean, we know that there’s fraud. We know that there’s waste. It seems like Doge is trying to do something. But is there anything you recommend that we could take this data that you’re finding to put pressure on these government officials to knock it off?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s a matter of keeping yourself informed and making sure your voice is heard, right? And remember that the spending can be cut and reduced when there is a lot of fraud and waste to be found. If you remember, Doge’s original goal was to trim $2 trillion from the federal budget, and they lowered that all the way down to $150 billion. And then the budget request we actually got from President Trump doesn’t reduce spending by even a single dollar. So it’s important to make your voice heard and make yourself aware of this information so that our lawmakers hear us and make some changes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m sure you have an opinion. I know when Doge came out, they said we could cut a trillion. Did that seem realistic to you, looking at all this data?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s realistic as a long-term goal. And honestly, it’s not a matter of realistic or not. It’s just a matter of necessity. Our national debt is almost up to $37 trillion. So we’re going to need huge reductions in spending if we’re ever going to get that under control. So that original goal of $2 trillion would mean cutting into entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, which obviously no one wants to touch or talk about. But over the long term, those programs are underfunded by about $175 trillion over the next 100 years, which is just a mind-boggling number. It’s going to be almost impossible to fill without making some cuts.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and off the top of my head, I don’t even know what comes after trillion, but we’re vastly approaching those types of numbers.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I mean, that’s $175 trillion. That’s the net worth of about 500 Elon Musk’s. So a lot of money we’re talking about there. So eventually some reform is going to be needed. And the longer we wait to do it, the more we push that expense and that burden onto future generations.
SPEAKER 14 :
So has Doge been effective? I mean, on one hand, I know they’ve done the PR battle piece, right? They’ve been effective at saying, hey, USAID is wasting money. We’re seeing all this wastefulness. But like you said, we’re not actually seeing a spending decrease in the big, beautiful bill of nowhere near the $2 trillion Doge promised. How effective is Doge actually being in finding and eliminating this waste and fraud?
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, just their existence in the first place is definitely a step in the right direction, right? We’ve been pushing for years for Congress and the president to get this under control and put more of an emphasis on cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. And they’re certainly doing that. But at the same time, that PR battle, we’re worried it’s going to swing back to the other side now because spending hasn’t been cut, right? Because Doge’s goal was $2 trillion. They didn’t need it. It’s easy to say now, oh, well, if they couldn’t do it, then it’s impossible, and there is not future length of the cut, when really that’s not the case. There are cuts to be made, and it’s important that people still remember that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Still remember that and still, like you said, apply pressure to eliminate this waste and fraud. I believe in the article you quote something like 76% of Americans support the effort that Doge is actually involved in, which includes 62% of Democrats. So this isn’t a party line issue. This is people saying, I’m paying taxes in. I don’t want to be wasting it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, because like I said, our federal debt is not up to opinion. $37 trillion is just an objective dollar figure that we have to pay down at some point. So it’s not a partisan issue, like you said. At some point, we need to cut spending. And, you know, different parties can argue about what should be cut or where those cuts should come from. But we do know that we need a reduction in spending at some point.
SPEAKER 14 :
And like you said, even groups such as yours that are still trying to hold the government accountable and trying to work with a friendly Doge team, you’re still running into roadblocks. And so we need those roadblocks to come down. We need to be holding this administration still accountable and say, hey, Social Security Administration, you need to give us the numbers, you need to give us the data. We need to be transparent and really fix a large divide that the country has in the transparency of government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. We call it radical transparency. The same way you can go on your phone and check what’s in your savings account or your checking account, you should be able to check what’s in the government’s bank account and what’s being spent in real time. If you want money that you pay in taxes, there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to see it.
SPEAKER 14 :
And like we know, when you deal with a lot of numbers, databases are prone to error, right? So it’s being willing and able to say, hey, we know errors can happen. We’re happy for anybody to audit it and find out where those errors are happening. So thanks for all you guys are doing at Open the Books. And how do you want to button up the conversation here, Jeremy?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you can head right over to OpenTheBooks.com. We’re also on Substack, OpenTheBooks.substack.com, where you can read our longer reports, like the Social Security report that we’ve been discussing. Give us a follow on X and Instagram. It’s great information that’s coming out every day. It’s important for everyone in America to be informed of it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and thanks again for all that you’re doing. So please continue to forge on and protect all of our tax dollars and do the work that you’re doing to bring transparency back to the government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Will do. Thanks so much, Alan, for having me on the show.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas, pleased to host the show while Kim is traveling. Make sure and visit the website, kimmunson.com, where you can sign up for the weekly email newsletter. Get a great preview of the upcoming guests and their topics, as well as the most recent essays. And you can always email the show at kim at kimmunson.com. We have on the line Action Anne. Action Anne, what’s on your mind?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’m calling in because people listen to your show at different times, and for some it could be a pencil and paper time, okay? It’s just a reminder of what Kevin Lundberg had stated earlier, which is there will be a press conference on the west steps of the Capitol today with Dr. – Dorothy, who is flying in to give the evidence that we have election irregularity and evidence of election manipulation. So your presence is really asked for at 2.30 today, May 27th, on the west steps of the Capitol. Okay?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, ma’am. Thank you for that reminder. And absolutely. We had a great conversation with former representative or former state senator Kevin Lumberg in the first hour where we delved in a little bit deeper about some of the election integrity. election integrity issues in rapo county how data sets seem to align too perfectly so again thank you action and for highlighting visit the state capitol at 2 30 this afternoon hopefully the weather will will be nice and we won’t get rained out but regardless make sure and keep up to date with that because they’re just a lot of questions the questions that inquiring minds shouldn’t be scared of asking so the evidence is there okay thank you Thank you, Ann. And, you know, regarding that, we’ve seen a lot of… We also talked with former Senator Kevin Lumberg about the compelled speech of 1312. And one of the interesting headlines that I ran across, I just wanted to highlight really quickly, is that the State Department is actually going to be visiting… France and Ireland this week to push both countries to respect citizens rights, so they’re visiting foreign countries regarding compelled speech and The quip I kind of thought up of was can we get the State Department to visit Colorado as well? so this this trip is part of the State Department’s effort to put to fight egregious examples of democratic backsliding and violations of basic natural rights in Europe and One of those is they talked about they’re going to be meeting Livia Toscini-Bolt. And get this, it’s a woman who was prosecuted for holding a sign near an abortion clinic that read, and here’s what will cost you a 2,000-pound fine. The sign merely said, here to talk if you want. So… She’s just trying to be a neighbor, just trying to provide a voice to say, hey, if you want to talk about things, please feel free to. And instead, they’re trying to fine her 20,000 pounds for that sign. So also kind of interesting for those of us watching kind of some of the legislative going ons here in Colorado. One of the bills this year was, and again, intent is always good, right? One of the bills that we had was to protect children online and how to go about doing that. And one thing that Europe has done is they passed a Digital Services Act. It’s a European Union legislation. that also impacts American companies based in Ireland, particularly technology companies. And the legislation ostensibly aims to protect children by moderating online content in harmful practices like child pornography. Which, again, when we talk about the word of the day, praxis, great theory, great idea, but in practice… A State Department official told The Daily Wire it has been used to target political speech deemed to be hateful or offensive by European governments. So, American social media companies face heavy fines if they do not conform to censorship rules. So, when you talk about legislation, when you talk about compelling speech or watching speech… The fear is, whenever you can compel or force it, that it will be weaponized. And who gets to decide what is or is not offensive? And that’s a political question, which is why we have the freedom of speech amendment to our Constitution, because we understood if the government is in any way able to moderate or censor anybody for what they’re going to say, then we have an issue. So, again, also wanted to just just highlight again this announcement that was made yesterday by Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the FBI. Just dive a little bit more into this headline. So if if you will remember, on July 2nd, 2023, the Secret Service discovered powder cocaine in a vestibule cubby at the White House where visitors store mobile phones. President Biden, his family were at Camp David at the time. Secret Service concluded its investigation 10 days later, ostensibly said that they didn’t have any footage of it and it was just kind of wrapped up. So, you know, kind of difficult to believe that that a place as secure as the White House couldn’t find a a culprit involved. for drugs in the white house so that’s being reopened also more importantly when we talk about free speech this one was uh was a big issue at the time and especially those of us following it that care a lot about the integrity of the court when you talk about the supreme court There’s a need for those justices to be able to speak and talk and debate in the privacy of their own opinions and ideas. We need them to be able to confer with each other and have that privacy in order for that branch of the government to provide good opinions. And in May of 2022, someone leaked a draft of Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. And again, the scary part of that was the reason it was leaked, presumably, was to provide pressure on the Supreme Court not to release the opinion that they were going to. So even the Supreme Court itself denounced the leak as, quote, a grave assault on the judicial process. Again… Justice should be free and independent. Our courts should not succumb to public pressure. That is something that our elected representatives should succumb to more so. That’s the point of a representative government is for we, the people, to provide pressure on our elected officials. But the judicial system should not fall prey to that type of peer pressure. And so this leak was… was very scary to the judicial process. So Gail Curley, the court official assigned with investigating the incident, stated, quote, if a court employee disclosed the draft opinion, that person brazenly violated a system that was built fundamentally on trust with limited safeguards to regulate and constrain access to very sensitive information. So the fact that that was covered up was was difficult again with with technology and the way it is it’s very easy to track who did and did not have access good job on Dan Bongino the deputy director of the FBI for opening that back up and getting to the bottom of that because whoever did release that did Did fundamental damage to a necessary institution. Lastly, the last thing he highlighted was the pipe bombs that were left near the DNC and RNC offices in Washington, D.C. on January 2021. Again, not finding a culprit for those. Again, political targets. The irony in that is that the DNC was also targeted along with the RNC. It would seem that both sides would want to get to the bottom of that. But as we’ve noted many times on the show, with politics, it seems that things happen for a reason, right? And inquiring minds need to question it, need to get after it, need to get to the bottom of it. So… One thing, just wanted to spend a little bit of time as well here at the end of the show going over this end of the show quote. We highlighted it briefly with former Senator Kevin Lumberg. Again, talking about many of the legislative issues coming out of Colorado. But Alexis de Tocqueville came to the U.S. and made lots of prescient comments about what was going on and what we needed to look out for. And one of his quotes that has been bouncing around in my brain all week is, a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him. And when you really break that down, it’s very interesting to think about and to turn onto its head. That when someone cheers for unchecked power from above, when somebody is almost for tyranny in a sense, a legislative, a bureaucratic tyranny, it often means that they’ve lost faith. with their neighbors their community their fellow citizens even your ability to make decisions for yourself when you’re when you’re putting off that reliance on to the government where you don’t even want to make your own decisions uh… that showing the exact opposite of what our government was built on that that we need to be trusting our neighbors and not trusting our government. We’ve instead flipped it on its head. So again, Alexis de Tocqueville, a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you and God bless America.
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