Join Kim Monson and her esteemed guests as they dissect the most pressing issues facing our nation. From discussions on the morality of state-led policies to the practicalities of modern plumbing, this episode covers a breadth of topics with depth and clarity. Learn about the historical significance of plumbing in human societies and how state decisions on moral issues are shaping the American way of life, all through the lens of freedom versus force.
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It’s the Kim Monson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
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And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to the kim monson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each are treasured valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy friday producer joe happy friday kim And we’ve got an amazing week planned for next week. We are going to be doing some great interviews, rebroadcast of some great interviews, and have recorded some new interviews. You’ve been working diligently, and I thank you for your hard work on all of that, Producer Joe.
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It is my pleasure. It’s so fun.
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yeah it’s going to be great and we’re going to get to take a little bit of time off we normally will do pre-records for the week of independence week i’m naming it independence week now and thanksgiving christmas and easter week And so we’ll get a little bit of time off there. Check out the website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Make sure that you’re signed up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. Text line is 720-605-0647. And we certainly want to hear from you. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity. By looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate and it’s not altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. Force is obviously a weapon. But it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum agenda and globalist elites agenda that’s playing out with this Colorado legislature, this Colorado governor, through land use codes, zoning regulations, transmission line easements, a whole bunch of different things out there. And remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And on this show, we focus on the issues. We’ll mention the people that are pushing those issues, but try to stay out of all of that personality fighting. In studio with me, very pleased to have with us is Ben Williams. He is the owner of Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, sponsor of the show. It’s great to have you here.
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Kim, it’s always a treat to be here. Thank you.
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And we’re going to talk about the history of plumbing here in just a little bit.
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We’re going to have some fun with it.
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And we take plumbing for granted until it doesn’t work.
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That’s right.
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But we are blessed with modern day plumbing. And we don’t even really… We’re incredibly blessed. Don’t think about it. So we’ll talk about that. And in studio… Also is Alan Thomas. You know him. He’s a frequent guest. He writes amazing essays that we publish here at the Kim Monson Show. And he also guest hosts from time to time. And you like that, yes?
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It has been a lot of fun, yes, ma’am.
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And the piece that we’re going to be talking about is National Legislation, the Right Response to a Shifting Cultural Landscape. Well, that looks like that’s a good subject, huh?
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It’s asking questions, right? And obviously this is in response to Tennessee Senate Bill 1, where they banned irrevocable… transition methods to people who suffer from gender dysphoria. And the Supreme Court said, yes, the states can do that. And so Marjorie Taylor Greene said, I’m going to propose federal legislation. And as we know on this show, we have talked a lot about state sovereignty versus federal power. And this is just asking the question, is this a wise move? response to this win that we got from the supreme court and or should we be going more the state route like we did like the supreme court said we should with abortion so it’s asking the question it’s it’s trying to think like federalists like the federalist papers did and try and say hey let’s not just react let’s be proactive and and use a wise approach going forward
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Okay, this is going to be fascinating. So we’ll talk about that in the third and fourth segment here. In the first hour, let’s get over here to our word of the day. I’ve never heard this word before. And Richard, limo driver, let me know if you know this word. And it’s quiddity. It’s spelled Q-U-I-D-D-I-T-Y. And it could be avoiding a question. So the sentence that had it says, when a politician avoids answering a question while pretending to answer it, he or she often does it using quiddity or by bringing up irrelevant and distracting points. So I think that’s a great word of the day today. So your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. Our quote of the day, it is Friday. And that means that we are getting our quote of the day from the Medal of Honor quote book that has been published by the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. Highly recommend that you have the book. Highly recommend that you put it on your list of things to do to visit the center. They do amazing work. They have K-12 educational programs on values presentations, honor our Medal of Honor recipients, and they will have a great celebration on the 4th of July down there. And then Drew Dix has also started a podcast. But this is from… The Medal of Honor quote book is from Nick D. Bacon. He was born in 1945, died in 2010, United States Army, Medal of Honor recipient, actions taken August 26, 1968. And Alan, would you please begin with the citation of what he did to be awarded the medal?
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For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity, in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty, Staff Sergeant Bacon distinguished himself while serving as a squad leader with the 1st Platoon, Company B, during an operation west of Tam Kai. When Company B came under fire from an enemy bunker lined to the front, Staff Sergeant Bacon quickly organized his men and led them forward in an assault. He advanced on the hostile bunker and destroyed it with grenades. As he did so, several fellow soldiers, including the first platoon leader, were struck by machine gun fire and fell wounded in an exposed position forward of the rest of the platoon. Staff Sergeant Bacon immediately assumed command of the platoon and assaulted the hostile gun position, finally killing the enemy gun crew in a single-handed effort. When the third platoon moved to Staff Sergeant Bacon’s location, its leader was also wounded.
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Without hesitation, Staff Sergeant Bacon took charge of the additional platoon and continued the fight. In the ensuing action, he personally killed four more enemy soldiers and silenced an anti-tank weapon. Under his leadership and example, the members of both platoons accepted his authority without question. Continuing to ignore the intense hostile fire, he climbed up on the exposed deck of a tank and directed fire into the enemy position while several wounded men were evacuated. As a result of Staff Sergeant Bacon’s extraordinary efforts, his company was able to move forward, eliminate the enemy positions, and rescue the men trapped to the front. Staff Sergeant Bacon’s bravery at the risk of his life was in the highest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the U.S. Army. And this is his quote. He said this. He said, everything America has, its prosperity and riches, freedoms and liberties, magnificent beauty and natural resources, is all a gift from God and the United States military. Love that quote. Let’s get into just a few of these headlines. This is absolutely huge. This is from NPR. Supreme Court upholds South Carolina’s ban on Medicaid funds for planned parenthood. This is absolutely amazing. And Planned Parenthood is probably the largest provider of abortions in the country. And the fact that we would be using taxpayer dollars to abort babies is beyond belief. And so this is a huge, huge win, I think. Ben Williams, what’s your thoughts on this?
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They’re also the biggest provider of body parts. I know. They section them off and sell them. So thank God.
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As you mentioned that, I had actually, this was during one of the elections several years ago, had been provided with an invoice of body parts, baby parts. that had gone to Anschutz Medical Center here. And one of the things was fresh eyes. And I looked at that and I thought, how barbaric can we be?
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You can Google how much is a human body worth and it gives a breakdown for virtually everything. And I don’t remember the dollar figure, but it’s massive.
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And that’s baby parts?
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Just human body parts, just period.
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Wow. What do you think about this, Alan?
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Well, it kind of goes to what we’ve been talking about for several years now since the Dobbs decision, that this court is very preferential towards giving states the ability to make decisions on morality and nuanced matters such as this. So this is yet again another win that conservatives need to jump on and say, we’re going to wrest control away from the federal government state by state. And it’s needed and it’s absolutely a good victory for us.
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Well, and Daniel Turner was on last week with Power the Future. And he said something that just kind of stopped me. And he said the Democrat Party has lost its major funder under this Trump administration and Doge. And the biggest funder of the Democrat Party has been the U.S. taxpayer. And so this is really huge here as well. And I do think that we need to… battle this state by state. Where we are in Colorado, it’s a very dark place, or it can be a very dark place if you are a baby in the womb, if you are a child with all this transgender… radical transgender activist pharmaceutical and surgery mutilation of children colorado is a place i think we are at the tip of the spear along with probably california washington but we are at a spot here where we need to engage in this battle of ideas and that’s why we do what we do absolutely
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Absolutely. But also importantly, I think what it will also allow is when you allow the states the ability to make these decisions as opposed to having it federally passed top down, it gives people the ability to vote with their feet. And we’re seeing that a lot out of California. People are leaving California in droves and really making those policymakers think, hey, if everybody leaves, who can I tax, right? And so it’s giving people State’s the ability to make policy decisions and people move state to state and go, I support what’s happening in Florida, in Texas, and these Republican led states because they’re doing what I want them to do when it comes to these questions of morality.
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So the other thing, and I’m sure we’ll talk about this, is that California then has to be responsible for the decisions that they’re making. Gavin Newsom can’t come to the federal government and say, hey, we need more federal money. That would be money from our neighbors. or borrow it from our children to pay for a bullet train that goes nowhere, or to pay for the hole that we’ve gotten ourself into because of all of the illegal immigration that we’ve had. They have to be responsible for that. And then the voters then need to be engaged and say, hey, you’re putting this into policy. We want to vote you out. So that’s the way it’s supposed to work, right?
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Exactly. Which the progressives have gotten around largely because they’ve had such a bureaucratic federal level
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approach to it that they’ve basically taken the decision out of the state’s hands and so we’ll talk about that two other headlines that i well one other headline that i wanted to mention and this is from katie vr christian camp dismisses the discrimination lawsuit challenging state gender identity laws and apparently uh it says a christian overnight camp and the colorado department of early childhood have settled this lawsuit that was brought earlier alleging that this camp would be forced to shut down if colorado’s new rules that allow children to use facilities based on gender identity were enforced on tuesday the cdec announced the settlement noting that the camp voluntarily dismissed the lawsuit because the regulations it cited did not apply to the camp and it’s I think it’s Idrahaja.
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Idrahaji.
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Idrahaji. Okay, thank you. And it’s named for the hymn, I’d Rather Have Jesus. Filed that lawsuit in mid-May and cited this rule. And so this is interesting that this has occurred. I don’t think that this is the last time that the state of Colorado is going to try to use this crazy law. But it’s great for these kids at Camp Idrahaji. Did I say that right?
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Idrahaji.
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Idrahaji, that that’s not going to be forced there. So that’s big news as well. Lastly, I wanted to mention the Roger Magnet State Farm Insurance team. But for America’s Veterans Stories this Sunday, 3 to 4 p.m., I interviewed Roger regarding his stepfather who fought in World War II. He began in northern Africa and then, let’s see, I think it was Sicily, Salerno, southern invasion of France or southern liberation of France, all the way up to liberating Dachau concentration camp. Two and a half years. He didn’t come home. He fought for two and a half years. It is a powerful story. And Roger and his team are great sponsors of the show. I’ve been saying he’s been in business for 48 years. It’s actually 49 and a half, taking care of his clients and giving back to the community, taking care of his family. And you don’t stay in business for that long unless you’re doing something really right. So give them a call, 303-795-8855 for a complimentary appointment to look at your insurance. And the Roger Mangan Insurance Team is definitely there.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. Email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. In studio with me is my good friend, Alan Thomas. And we’ll get to your essay in the next segment regarding, is national legislation the right response to a shifting cultural landscape? Big question this early in the morning. So we’ll talk about that.
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Need some coffee.
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Absolutely. And in studio with me is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. Great sponsor of the show. Welcome.
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Thank you, Kim. Great to be here.
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And let’s talk a little bit about plumbing. You seem to know an awful lot about that. And I was talking about Roger Mangan and his stepfather. They had gone to Rome, which I was thinking about Rome and their aqueducts and their plumbing. So this I think this history of plumbing is going to be where do you want to start?
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Yeah, it’s going to be fun. I would love to start with the word of the day from Ben’s plumbing, heating, and cooling. Okay. The word of the day is plumber. Now, Eric, it’s not spelled like it sounds. It’s spelled P-L-U-M-B-E-R. It comes from the Latin word plumbum, which means to work with lead. How about that?
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I did not know that.
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We all love our lead water lines. I like to think that water is one of God’s better creations, ranking right up there with oxygen and coffee. And, you know, history can be a little bit dry, so I thought I’d start out with my own personal history in plumbing. Okay. I grew up in St. Cloud, Minnesota in my younger years. We lived in a house that was built in 1876, had one toilet, seven kids. Oh, boy. Toilet was a higher priority. Yeah. Somebody knocked a hairbrush in the toilet, and instead of pulling it out, decided to flush it. That’s how we make our problems go away, right? Right. Well, it wasn’t long before we realized that the toilet was not flushing. So dad broke out his tools and, you know, first he started plunging, couldn’t get it cleared. So he decided to pull the toilet and took it out in the yard, was working with the garden hose and couldn’t get it. And he called us boys over and said, hey, you know, your hands are smaller than mine. If you can reach in here and get this thing, I’ll pay you 25 cents. Now, this was in the 1960s. That would have been a big payday, right? We could have bought 25 pieces of bazooka bubblegum.
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Right. Okay.
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So we all gave it our best shot, and it was just beyond where we could reach it.
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Okay.
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And he said, well, boys, let’s gather around. We need to pray. Oh. So we all gathered around in the backyard, laid our hands on the toilet, and prayed. I could only imagine what the neighbors were thinking.
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Oh, my gosh.
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And once, you know, we got done, he started to run a little bit more water, and that hairbrush came out.
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Oh my gosh, that is a story.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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So that was my introduction to plumbing.
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Did anybody get in trouble for flushing the hairbrush down the toilet?
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You know, it was many, many years later that we found out that mom actually did that.
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Oh, that is funny.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, you know, with water, obviously this is a very, very important part of life. You know, a lot of cities have been built near streams and lakes and things like that. So the challenge has always been getting water to where we need it and also disposing of the waste in a way that doesn’t make us sick.
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Mm-hmm.
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So we’ve all seen pictures of the Roman aqueducts bringing water from the mountains into their city. Lead water pipes, of course, have been around since about 3000 BC.
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Really?
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Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, I mean, water’s been a big deal. It’s something that everybody’s tried to figure out, how can we make this work? Alan, got a picture here. Do those look like water pipes? No, those are quite something right there. Yeah, tell us what you’re looking at.
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Oh, man, I don’t even know. I mean, obviously, it looks like water pipes, but they have just caked and super thick.
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Yeah, so those are actually tree logs that have been hollowed out. And logs were used… As a matter of fact, you can look this up. January 8th of 2025, just a handful of months ago, the Denver water crews dug up a wooden water pipe. Wow. And it… It was put in around the 1880s. It was called a Wyckoff water pipe. And it was advertised as being a cheaper alternative to the wooden stave water pipes that were built kind of like a barrel, you know, that had wooden slats that were all strapped together. And also advertised as being healthier than cast iron or galvanized water pipes.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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So yeah, wooden logs have been used for about 2,000 years as a way to conduct water. Then they came out with galvanized pipes to replace the lead pipes. You know, this was a nice step in helping to avoid lead poisoning. And galvanized pipes were installed basically between 1880 and 1960. There’s still a lot of houses in the Denver, Englewood area that have galvanized water lines.
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Okay.
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If you ever look up a picture of a corroded galvanized water line, you will probably want to get your pipes replaced. Just saying. Okay. It’s interesting. Okay. So copper water lines came around in about the 1960s. These were a lot quicker to install. They didn’t rust. They actually killed off bacteria and it didn’t create a metal taste in the water. So times were getting good. And more recently, plastic water lines called PEX, P-E-X. They’ve been around since about the 1990s. There’s a different variety of qualities that you buy. We install a product called Uponor. It comes with a 25-year warranty. It does not leach toxins into the water. It can freeze and expand up to eight times its diameter without breaking. So that’s a product that we like to install.
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Okay.
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Um, so let’s talk about the other end of plumbing.
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Okay.
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So the Romans had public toilet rooms. Instead of Charmin, they would use smooth stones or pieces of pottery or sponges on a stick. How about that? Aren’t we glad to be live today? Yes.
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Yes.
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All right, homeschoolers, I got a couple here that are going to be on the quiz. Okay. In 1596, Sir John Harrington built a flushing toilet because Queen Elizabeth was coming to visit.
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Huh. Wow.
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In 1861, Thomas Crapper was hired by King Edward VII to do some plumbing work in the royal palaces and he patented a number of toilet-related inventions. Kim, I can see you are thinking.
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You’re thinking the same way a plumber would about that, I believe.
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Yeah. Well, I find it ironic his last name.
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Yeah, yeah. So that’s where these terms come from. Got to use the john, got to use the crapper.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, history here. So, you know, these toilets were a thing for royalty. The common people used chamber pots. And they would either dump them out the window onto the street below or pour them into a trough that ran down the middle of the street.
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That doesn’t sound very healthy.
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No, not very healthy at all. We wonder where the plague came from.
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Right.
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Outhouses were invented about 500 years ago. And, you know, you dig a hole in the ground, put your little shed over it, and when the hole filled up, you would move it to a location. Okay. Please watch where you step.
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Yes. Okay.
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So as pipes came into common use for the waste to run into, sewer gases would back up in the buildings and cause an explosion from the methane mixing with the flames from the furnace. So they quickly figured out that venting was needed to vent the sewer gas out the roof. And with this vent came the invention of this U-shaped pipe that you’d see underneath your sinks called a P-trap. That allowed the water to flow out but kept sewer gases from backing up into the house. So this was a good rule that was put into effect. But as we oftentimes see with rules, the government can, you know, they enjoy their power, right?
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They like going a little bit farther, don’t they?
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Yeah. So a lot of us probably remember in the 1990s when the government said, oh, we need the EPA mandated that toilets had to use less water. So like today, a water saver toilet is going to use between one and one and a quarter gallons. Now, in a laboratory, that’s great. But, you know, when everybody knows, you know, the pipes have to slope downhill. Right. It’s actually figured out about between one-eighth and one-quarter of an inch per foot. And that’s designed so that the water will not run away from the solids. You want the water and the solids to go at the same pace. So if the pipes aren’t installed perfectly or if there’s any tree roots or, you know, offsets in the pipes, things will… Can be a problem. Can be a problem. Here’s the note for ladies. Just because the box says it’s flushable, please don’t do it. Please don’t do it. Put it in the trash.
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Okay.
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I don’t know, Kim, if you enjoyed watching Seinfeld, but there was an episode where the building superintendent installed all these low water saver shower heads. And Elaine’s hair was just as flat as could be. And Kramer was selling black market shower heads.
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That’s what happens when government gets in bad business. Okay.
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Yeah, so they’re mandating like two gallon per minute on the showerheads, which means that people just take longer showers, right? But good news, on April 9th of 2025, Donald Trump issued an executive order to make showerheads great again. I think he deserves a third term.
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As a plumber, I’m sure you do.
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Yes, absolutely. They’ve also mandated that faucets use a maximum of 1.5 gallons per minute. And if you’re just rinsing off your hand briefly, okay, cool. But if you’re at the kitchen sink, man, it’s like, come on, dude. I need some water. So California figured out that people just run water longer. And so some of the cities require water meters to give a daily report of how much water is used. So the water police can come knock on your door and say, hey, don’t use more than you’re allotted.
SPEAKER 18 :
Kind of like energy with Excel and those smart meters, too.
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Yeah. So I want to close with a couple of things here. The trades, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, framing, whatever, these are fantastic trades. things for people to go into. And I would just want to encourage our listeners, talk to some of these young kids, both boys and girls. I have met some female plumbers and man, they are top notch because it’s a man’s world. They got to be good, but they’re, they’re usually running the crew. But, but the trades are fantastic. You don’t have to rack up a big college bill and you can make a great living. As a matter of fact, you know, a story I like to tell, Plumber goes to a guy’s house, the garbage disposal is stopped up, and he takes his screwdriver and flicks the chicken bone out. Disposal works great. He puts his screwdriver away and says, well, that’ll be $2,000. The guy says, $2,000? Well, yeah, that’s my minimum. The customer says, I can’t believe this. I’m a brain surgeon, and I don’t even make that kind of money. And the plumber says, you know… Back when I was a brain surgeon, I didn’t make that much money either. That’s funny. That’s funny. So also, I just want to put in a special request to our listeners. Please pray for Kim and the work that she’s doing. She is literally our modern-day Paul Revere, and Kim is involved in many political battles that will potentially reshape our state and our nation. And she needs our prayers, encouragement, and support. And Kim, thank you for allowing us to be a part of what you are doing, and I want our listeners just to join in the battle for the soul of our nation. Thank you.
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Ben Williams, thank you so much. And, again, that’s Ben’s plumbing, heating, and cooling. How can people reach you?
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Smoke signals don’t work so well out in Bennett because it’s windy, so you can call or text. Text is obviously the best way to reach us, 303-995-1636.
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That’s 303-995-1636. Ben, thank you so much.
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Thank you, Kim.
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Indeed, it is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is kimmonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. And do you want more freedom and confidence with your money? Well, Mint Financial Strategies can help. They’re an independent firm with over 25 years of experience, and as an accredited investment fiduciary, they put your best interests first always. With a strategy-first approach, they’ll help you build a plan that fits your life. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. That’s 303-285-3080. In studio with me is Ben Williams. Love the history. And I thought it was interesting how it was in the 90s when it started to have government tell us how much water our toilets, our shower heads, our light bulbs. That’s not the proper role of government.
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It is not.
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at all so bins plumbing heating and cooling that number is 303-995-1636 and alan thomas a frequent guest on the show writes amazing essays that we publish at the kim monson show as well as you guest host as well and people really enjoy your guest hosting so thank you Let’s talk about the piece that we’ll publish this weekend. Is national legislation the right response to a shifting cultural landscape? Where do you want to begin?
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Well, I guess we’ll just recap it a little bit. We teased it a little earlier in the show, but Tennessee Senate Bill 1 prohibits providing minors with puberty blockers hormone therapy to treat gender dysphoria. And that obviously was sued and went all the way to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court said, no, there’s no constitutional issue here. There’s no treating different sexes differently. This is absolutely constitutional. Tennessee can do this. and upheld this piece of legislation from Tennessee. I think prior to that, I think Marjorie Taylor Greene had a pretty good feel that the Supreme Court was going to pass it, and she had a piece of legislation. A rule in favor of it. A rule in favor of it, right? And she had a piece of legislation called the Protect Children’s Innocence Act, which is basically mirroring that bill but at a federal level. And so after the Supreme Court said this, she, of course, came out and said, I’m going to reintroduce this. I’m really going to champion this at a congressional level. And, you know, we talk so much on this show about state sovereignty. I think one of one of the. Most popular pieces I wrote happened right before the Dobbs decision talking about state sovereignty versus federal power and how our founding fathers really wrestled with that question and how they really wanted to put control where. where people are they said people should govern where they are at if it’s not of a federal concern if it’s more of a virtue and moral question let’s let states handle that we need to be in the much broader issue of we’re giving the federal government the minimal possible power to do its job to keep the states united and treated as one country. But other than that, we want to really punt things down to the state level and let people decide where they live, how they should live. And so when Marjorie Taylor Greene proposed that legislation, it of course had split ideas in my head, right? On one hand, Absolutely. This seems like something you should do, similar to many of the times we’ve talked about abortion on the show. Would I support protecting all of the unborn babies across the country with one fell swoop? You and I agree 100% would want to do that. Do I want to protect children from these diseases? from these procedures which completely change their bodies and they can never recover from or change back in the future? Absolutely 100%. There’s no question. This is absolutely a justifiable reaction to this Supreme Court ruling. But when we look at it in terms of would that be a wise decision going forward, it’s a question that carries a lot of weight to it. Because one, you want to protect the kids, but you don’t just want to sacrifice the short term for the long term. And that’s really the questions I’m posing in this article. And I don’t even fully know the answer of whether this is a wise decision to propose it nationally, or would it be a wiser decision to instead change the culture and do this state by state? protect state sovereignty for the long term because what we have seen at the federal level is an eroding of state sovereignty you know we talked about the EPA in plumbing you know that’s just such a small sub sector of how the federal government has decided they want to run every single facet of our lives and so when the supreme court is gifting us opinion after opinion after opinion when the supreme court is saying yeah if south carolina doesn’t want to fund planned parenthood they should be allowed to when when the supreme court is saying in dobbs hey each state can determine how they want to treat abortion when they give us this decision yes tennessee can decide how they want to protect their children Do we want to look a gift horse in the mouth and then turn around and not use that gift that the Supreme Court is giving us to wrest control away from the federal government and instead hand future administrations who may not be. who may not recognize this plight and in fact might reverse that decision, do we want to give them the ability to then in the future reverse this Protect Children’s Innocence Act through a future piece of federal legislation and use our federalizing this cultural issue against us 10, 15, 20 years down the line? So it’s a question we need to answer because if we do this federally now, what’s to say If AOC, heaven forbid, ever wins the presidency in the next 50 years and she has Congress on her side, can we not imagine her passing a piece of legislation that would repeal Representative Greene’s legislation? And that’s the question I’m asking in this is, is this a wise way to go about this cultural battle? Because it almost feels like a shortcut. to try and just get something now to protect our kids as opposed to fighting the long, hard fight of going state by state to try and change the culture and try and change things. So it’s a question I don’t have a fully formed answer to, but these are questions we should be thinking about as free thinkers.
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We absolutely should. And I’m a bit conflicted on this. And I’m pretty sure I’m going to come down on this side of state sovereignty. When we look at the Declaration of Independence, that we’re endowed by our Creator with these unalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and that we see then an assault upon life through abortion or an assault upon life of our children through these irreversible either surgeries or pharmaceuticals, Then I think we do say, don’t we have a responsibility on a national level to protect life, liberty, those things? seems like the answer is yes however to your point the founders wanted to decentralize power because once you centralize power you may like the one the the you know the agenda there but once you you um centralized that. Let’s just take, for example, New York City, the Democrat primary. They now have a Democrat socialist who wants to wrest all kind of control. So when that’s the case, surely I would like to have everything decentralized so that we can engage in this battle of ideas. So we’re going to leave that hanging out there. I want to hear what you all have to say as well. Jenny, I’ve got to get to your text. I’m sure there’s something really important there. The text line is 720-605-0647. And I wanted to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation Foundation. The official Marine Memorial is right here in Golden, Colorado, and they’re working diligently for a facelift. It was dedicated in 1977. This next week, in honor of all of those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom, I’d recommend that you make a contribution. And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And then for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That’s KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity. In studio with me is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating. And cooling, that phone number is 303-995-1636. And Alan Thomas, he is a frequent guest on the show, a great author at the Kim Monson Show, and guest host as well. We’re talking about, is national legislation the right response to a shifting cultural landscape? It’s such an interesting question regarding centralized power or decentralized power, Alan.
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Well, and we also talk about it in terms of federal power, and we act as if A piece of legislation now is permanent. Right. And I believe that’s the the short circuiting the system. And that’s a temporary gain to a long term problem. I mean, we’ve seen at a federal level, unless it’s a constitutional amendment, it is not permanent. And that’s also the the way we need to be thinking about this is. You know, Biden said, we’re going to help pay for gender transition surgeries in the army. And then Trump comes in and he says, absolutely not. You know, one administration comes in and they have a favorable Congress. They pass a law. Right now, we could pass a law repealing Obamacare if we wanted to. So it’s not like when you pass a federal piece of legislation, it’s permanent. And so is… Is this bill yo-yoing? You know, if once Democrats get in control someday in the future, and they will, because that is how our country works, there’s a pendulum that swings back and forth, is this still going to be on the radar for them? And is this going to be something that they could then reverse to the extreme opposite? Right. And so that’s why I’m challenging. Is this a wise decision or are we just doing easy work by passing federal legislation, feeling like we did something and not fighting the more difficult cultural battle within states? And obviously, you know, here in Colorado, we have a very large uphill battle culturally on this issue. and it’s a more difficult battle but will it bring more long-term success and protect our kids or more importantly our grandkids and their kids more effectively in the future rather than passing a piece of federal legislation that just yo-yos up and down yes we’re against it no we’re not yes we’re against it no we’re not a very important conversation ben williams do you want to weigh in on this
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I’d love to, and this is going to seem a little bit disjointed, but this has everything to do with what you talk about, Alan. I always look at the root cause, like talking about going back and forth. Why are people voting the way they are? Set aside the pre-programmed computer that’s counting the votes. That’s another discussion. But why do people vote the way that they do? And the left has understood for a long time you have to win the hearts and minds of the kids. This is the next generation. This is the way that our culture goes. And something that my son and I have gotten involved in is getting books into school libraries that just promote some good moral values. Brave Books is a company that really has capitalized on this. I’m sure you guys have heard of the Tuttle Twins. And so here’s something that – and also I want to mention Patricia Rabon. She’s a local author who writes – very fascinating uh christian and when i say christian very light but mystery novels that kind of intertwine this thing of you know who is god does he care about what’s going on in my life and how do i solve things but i the uh school library in elizabeth they’ve had quite a battle going on down there and through trying to help them out we found out that You can donate books to the school libraries. They will not refuse books that you donate. Also, as parents of children going to school, you can request books because they have a fund to buy X amount of books. And so if we can flood our libraries with some good, decent books, we can change the hearts and minds of kids, which will long-term affect voting and legislation and things like that.
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Completely agree. And that’s actually the second part is how do we fight that battle? Because like you pointed out, a lot of times Republicans aren’t the best at messaging and winning the rhetorical battle. We may care more passionately and more compassionately for people. Yet we approach things sometimes in such a logical way that that we take that emotion out and we allow the left to carry the narrative that we don’t care. And there’s a lot of parallels in this with the abortion debate. Right. And I mean, this this abortion has been a millstone around Republicans necks for a long time. And the last thing we want to do, lastly, I guess we’ll talk about the pragmatic level of it, is this going to be the replacement for abortion surrounding congressional elections? Because for the longest time, abortion kind of just sat around the millstone, like a millstone around every Republican candidate. Even if you’re running for dog catcher in your local election, you would probably get asked a question about abortion in That way they can frame you as somebody that doesn’t care about women’s rights because you don’t care about this or that. You’re not a very moral person. We can’t trust you. Really, we’ve now had national elections. They can all sidestep that issue because they can say that’s a state issue for abortion, right? After Dobbs, we can now say, you know, Lauren Boebert, any of our national congressmen and women can just say, hey, at the federal level, we don’t have a say anymore. The court has said this is a state-level issue. Is this going to turn into that? And are we then going to put another snare to entrap our candidates that we’re trying to send to the federal government by making this a federal issue once again. And so there’s also a pragmatic question we need to ask ourselves is, is this again a wise thing to do to yet again set a snare, especially for candidates out of Colorado? I mean, Trump has a very narrow lead in the House, and it’s in no small part to the wins that we have here in Colorado with Gabe Evans, Lauren Boebert, and Jeff Crank. Are we then putting another barrier for them winning elections in a blue state by putting this moral problem and predicament that Democrats usually win rhetorically in front of candidates? So, again, I don’t know the best answer. And, you know, we’ve talked long and hard about ways to message around these moral issues. And there’s ways that savvy candidates can answer it. But for the most part, pragmatically, is this a battle we even want to fight, especially given the gift that we’ve been given to make it a states’ rights issue? Is that something we want to do? And, you know, we’ve talked a lot about on this show, we need to do the hard work. We need to do the persuading work. We can’t take shortcuts. And I fear if we try and make this a national issue, it will yet again make a shortcut. And the one parallel I make throughout is Kansas after the Dobbs decision. You know, Kansas had a law in its book saying abortion is prohibited as soon as we’re allowed to make it prohibited. And then when Dobbs came out, that law went into effect and abortions overnight became prohibited in Kansas. Well, the cultural backlash was so severe that they then pass a constitutional amendment similar to Colorado saying, no, we’re going to enshrine in our constitution abortion access. And so it was one of those cultural fights that. many people probably thought they had it won because they said this law is on the books. If it ever reverses, we’ll be good. We’re not going to fight that cultural battle anymore in Kansas because we don’t have to. And then when it was kicked back to Kansas, all of a sudden we’re five steps behind on that culture war. We’re five steps behind on that persuasion. And so the last thing I want to do is be five steps behind again and not be protecting our kids 20 years in the future and
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if this ever reverses course federally and instead be fighting the cultural battle now and changing the hearts and minds of people now and doing the hard work now alan thomas and that’s what we do here is the hard work so thank you you’re going to stay in studio ben williams you’re going to stay in studio for hour number two and our quote for the end of the show is from charles swindoll he said this courage is not limited to the battlefield or the indianapolis 500 or bravely catching a thief in your house. The real tests of courage are much quieter. They are the inner tests, like remaining faithful when nobody’s looking, like enduring pain when the room is empty, like standing alone when you’re misunderstood. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
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And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose today. Strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment. Thank you to the team, Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Friday, Producer Joe.
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Happy Friday, Kim.
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Do you feel like a fly on the wall sometimes when we have all these people in studio as we’re just having these intense conversations?
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Absolutely.
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But thank you. Doing great work there. Check out the website. That’s Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com. And the text line is 720-605-0647. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all the KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. We look at these issues. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I want to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their great sponsorship of both the Kim Monson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. How I got to know them, it’s an important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism. And those PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, Ben Williams, that want to tell you what your showerhead should look like, how much water you can flush down the toilet. While you were talking about that in the first hour, this is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, sponsor of the show. What has happened is people multi-flush.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, absolutely. So they’re actually using more.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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But that’s what happens when government gets involved in things.
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Or, and I’m not saying necessarily me, but there are ways that you can take out the shower heads and take out the reducer and get a little bit more pressure than they advertise on the box.
SPEAKER 10 :
Black market shower heads is what we call those. I’ve heard of that, Alan.
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Yeah.
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You have? People pulling it off and pulling out the flow reducer? I’ve never heard of a person personally that did that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Don’t know anyone personally, but I have heard of it, yeah.
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Yes. Didn’t know you could do that. So now we know. Now we know. So Hooters Restaurants, five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. That whole story is super interesting. You can find it at my website. Our word of the day, and it’s a good one, is quiddity. q u i d i t y it could be bringing up irrelevant or distracting points this is also let me think what this is um it’s well it’s a it’s a redirect and you can see this happen in politics many times where someone a politician may get a question and they’ll say that it’s a very interesting question it is so important over here and they go over to the other a different point and i didn’t know there was a name to that alan thomas is called And they had an example, when a politician avoids answering a question while pretending to answer it, he or she often is using quiddity. I thought that’s a great word of the day.
SPEAKER 11 :
How about a two-word sentence for that?
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
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Joe Biden.
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But is that quiddity or just a lack of answer? That’s the…
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Boy, and this whole auto pen thing is going to get big. The things that he signed with an auto pen, that means he didn’t know he was signing it. This is going to get really interesting. Our quote of the day is from Medal of Honor recipient Nick D. Bacon, born 1945, died 2010, actions taken August 26, 1968. We read the citation of what he did on August 26, 1968 in the first hour. But he said this, everything America has, its prosperity and riches, freedoms and liberties, magnificent beauty and natural resources is all a gift from God and the United States military. I love that quote, Alan.
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I love it, too. And, you know, wherever you stand on the whole Iran bombing, our military in action is quite the force. You know, the way that they were able to send all those B-2s all the way across the ocean. From Missouri. From Missouri all the way across multiple. The coordination alone that they discussed is awe-inspiring. how much force we have and we can protect our Liberty because we have the strength of our military right now. And, you know, good on president Trump for making NATO pay for their fair share. But at the same time, even our allies know how much power we have, even after having several Democrat presidents who tried their best to decrease the power of our military, we still have an awe inspiring military that, uh, I don’t know. It was just one of those you hear about how far they flew, the types of accuracy that they had. It’s pretty incredible.
SPEAKER 18 :
Refueling the fighter jets. Yeah. And and how we were able to do that without anybody knowing was because Donald Trump didn’t tell the Democrats.
SPEAKER 19 :
Exactly.
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It’s pretty, pretty amazing. But again, I love that quote from Nick D. Bacon. That Medal of Honor quote book you can purchase by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. And they are going to have a great celebration on July 4th. That information is there. As well as check out the podcast by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix. This most latest one is on domestic insurrection. And… Drew, through all of his experience, brings so much to the table. So be sure and check that out. And again, that website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. Alan Thomas, you have a lot of different hats, but one of your hats is first vice chair with the Douglas County GOP, right?
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Correct, yeah.
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And you and I talked about this home rule question that was on the ballot. The election was on Tuesday on whether or not Douglas County would become a home rule county. There’s only two other just counties that are home rule counties, and that is Garfield.
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Weld and Pitkin.
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And then there are two city-county entities, Denver and Broomfield, that they also are home rule. And you and I talked a lot about this local control. It was being couched as let’s have local control push back on what is happening in Denver. That seems like a good idea. It resoundingly was defeated. What’s your thoughts about that?
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Well, we said it would be an interesting election and it definitely turned out to be, didn’t it? And, you know, this is just my personal thoughts on it. I don’t have any, you know, polling data behind the scenes to back it up. But it was like we said, it was very interesting because as a. Voters voted against it, but I’m not sure they necessarily voted against it as a concept, perhaps more rejecting the process and the presentation. And I say that because there was some very nuanced split-ticket behavior that when you look at the numbers and the more I looked at it, and even today, you know, standing underneath the shower that was maybe or maybe not flow-restricted, A thought hit me again that it was very interesting because it was soundly rejected, but the GOP endorsed candidates, a lot of the elected officials in Douglas County, such as the commissioners, were not rejected at the same level, the same percentage, that Home Rule was rejected. And so what that showed was there was a lot of, even though it had bipartisan opposition, a lot of those voters said, I may vote against Home Rule now, but if there was to be a charter commission, I’m still going to vote for the Republican candidates I trust. And so I found that very interesting. It’s not surprising that they lost. I mean, if there was a commission, they would have lost, which when 71% of people say, I don’t want home rule, it’s unsurprising that the people who supported it lose their election. But they didn’t lose by the same percentage that you would have expected them to lose had the voters not split their ticket, essentially, right? Had they not said, no, I don’t want home rule, and I want everybody that was opposed to home rule. So does that make sense? So that was very fascinating. So it really told me and what it looked like to me, and George Thiel has indicated he wants to run this again in November, that there was a branding issue. There was a messaging issue. that they really did not adequately address the why now question. There was a lot of mistrust in perhaps some of the branding statements. I mean, we heard a lot of the, we can reject the bag fee, we can opt out of state law, and overwhelmingly everybody was like, no, that’s not what this is. You can’t do that. And so when you’re caught branding it incorrectly, there’s mistrust there. And so… To fix it, if this is going to run again in November, there needs to be a significant change in how the campaign is run. Because right now, what the numbers say is there was nuanced split ticket behavior that basically says, I may not be against the concept, but I was against how it was rolled out this time around.
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Very interesting. And I find it interesting. I’d heard rumblings that Commissioner Thiel was going to try to get this on the ballot in November. I think, my gut feeling, it may be a little early because the branding challenges that you’re mentioning, some of those people were pushing those branding challenges. And so I think that that could be a little too speedy maybe. We’ll find out what happens.
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And a lot of this was also, of course, you and I are very keen and aware of the upcoming school board election, right? And this was so roundly rejected that at first I was like, oh my goodness, if we run this again in November, are we going to drive anti-reasonable school board candidate turnout, right? Will we reject… good candidates because this is running in conjunction with them. But the more I looked at the numbers and I said, well, this wasn’t exactly this really seemed like a fractured center right base. Right. That that said no to the concept, but yes to the people. So I at first I was really worried about the school board race and saying, is this going to drive out the type of voter that would vote in the school board friendly candidates because we have four school board seats up for reelection, which is the majority of the school board. And currently right now, the left of center progressives only need one seat to get a majority of the school board in Douglas County. And so there should be concern there that we need to think long and hard about if this is going to run in November, how is that going to affect the school board? If it does run in November, there obviously needs to be a change in branding and how it is rolled out. This was predominantly viewed as a top-down decision directive as opposed to a bottom up how can we change that but you know Kim our school board is too important we need to do whatever we can to support four candidates who can maintain control of that board and will not allow the school board to do The crazy leftist stuff that it did four years ago, five years ago and go that direction. So an interesting election, as we said, it has a lot of ramifications and there’s real world consequences to elections. But, you know, as as people involved in politics, it’s always fun to look at it and try and analyze it and and see what we can pull from it.
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My gut feeling strategically, just my gut feeling on this, is that there should not be anything on the ballot that will muddy the waters for the school board candidates. Our children are too important. That’s my gut feeling on it.
SPEAKER 02 :
And there was good turnout. I mean, we didn’t mention that either. I mean, it was 88, 84,000. I mean, that’s a pretty good turnout for a special election. You know, the last school board election had 144,000, but the one prior to that only had 126. So this was pretty strong turnout. So people are paying attention to local issues. And so that should. That at least should encourage us going into the school board election. But branding is always important, right, Kim?
SPEAKER 18 :
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it is friday welcome back to the kim monson show be sure and check out our website that is kim monson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmonson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it on the line with us is colonel bill rutledge you know him he is a regular guest on the show He’s 96 years young. Your birthday, Colonel Rutledge, is right around the corner, isn’t it? Welcome. Yes, July the 23rd. You’ll be 97 years young. Correct. Well, that’s amazing. You have traveled the world. You’re a retired United States Air Force colonel. You’ve traveled the world. You have a great curiosity about people and places and history. And you mentioned a guy that signed the Declaration of Independence. Ben Williams, have you ever heard of Button Gwinnett?
SPEAKER 11 :
I have not.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, how about you, Alan Thomas? Likewise, no. I think you’re going to learn something then, so… Colonel Rutledge, you said, let’s talk about Button Gwinnett. Your family has some history with him. So set this up for us.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, my family has a history with him in that I have a cousin who lives near Savannah, and she did some research about Button. And it turned out that one of my ancestors had a confrontation with him. So I decided I’d like to learn a little bit more about him. Plus, his name was so unusual, and he had signed the Declaration of Independence. So I ordered a book on Button Gwinnett to find out a little bit more about him. And he was a very interesting man. He was born in England, grew up there. He was born, actually, just a couple of years after Washington was born over here, and it says April 1735. Also, they don’t know the exact date of his birth, but he was baptized very shortly thereafter. One of the reasons was infant mortality was very high over there, so they wanted to be sure and that their child was baptized should anything go wrong health-wise. However, in his case, it didn’t really apply because he was one of seven children. So there was not much of a mortality rate in the Reverend Samuel Gwinnett’s home.
SPEAKER 18 :
And so he grew up in England, and tell us about his schooling.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, he went to one of the local area schools. We have to remember that that far back, most places did not have public schools as we know them today. They were very often available through the church, or in some cases, there were private schools. depending upon whether a person could afford to go. Of course, most children didn’t even go to school in those days. But when they did go, they didn’t do like we have become familiar with here, where you’re almost 18 by the time you get out of school. There, you terminated your schooling at age 14. It’s interesting because that also was a key factor When we lived in Japan, they stopped at 14 unless they were going to go on to college. And they had a national exam over there, but that’s a great digression from the 1700s.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, definitely. So then he got married, right?
SPEAKER 16 :
He got married when he was 20 and his bride was 22. In 1755, he married Anne Bourne, B-O-U-R-N-E. And her father was a very, I’d say, relatively prosperous in mercantile business. In other words, he bought and sold things. And Because of his business, then Button started working with him. But Button had actually gained some experience before that. Right after he dropped out of school at 14, he went to Bristol and worked for his uncle. Bristol is one of the great ports in the western part of England. And more Americans know of Bristol when they think of Bristol Cream Sherry. Have you ever heard of Bristol Cream Sherry?
SPEAKER 18 :
I have.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s a great product. But what the irony of it is, we always think of Bristol, but all that sherry comes from Spain. And then it goes to Bristol, and some very smart person a long, long time ago decided that, he would go into the business. And so I used to get it periodically. My wife certainly liked Bristol cream.
SPEAKER 18 :
Hey, quick question. I didn’t ask you, how did he get his name Button?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, like in many families, when you’ve got, gosh, seven children, you better look a long time to try to find names. But the name Button went back several generations in his mother’s side. And there was a member of the family who had joined the Royal Navy as a young man. Most of them in those days were early teens when they went to sea. And he worked his way up and became an admiral. And therefore he was Admiral Thomas Button in the early 1600s, and this is at a time when they were doing exploratory sea trips for the Royal Navy down into what is now the American Sea, and also up in the northern area where you would go in through the St. Lawrence River and go up into Canada. So this ancestor was rather famous with the crown, so he actually was knighted later on and retired with a reasonable retirement pay for that era. So that was a basis for why the name Button, because it was a family last name. Now, we know from other previous experiences that A middle name so often is the maiden name of the mother. In this case, it wasn’t just that, but it was from her side of the family.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. So we’re talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, 96 years young, retired from the United States Air Force, regarding a signer to the Declaration of Independence, Button Gwinnett, somebody that we have not probably heard of. And we’re going to continue the discussion. But I did want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable. and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. In studio with me is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. That number is 303-995-1636. Alan Thomas will be rolling out his essay, The National Legislation. Is national legislation the right response to a shifting cultural landscape? We have these discussions because of our sponsors. And for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Well, first of all, he was not a very effective businessman. And he looked to America as an opportunity to gain property and to perhaps be successful in a new environment. So he went to Savannah, Georgia. And actually, he was financed primarily by a generous endowment that his wife had received upon marriage. And as you know, in those days, the male member of the family was the only one authorized to do contracting and generally controlled all of the funds. So he squandered a great deal of them. But he came over to try to improve his business. And he got over here and he found out that he needed to buy a little bit of property even to vote because he was interested in politics. So he bought… some property on St. Catherine Island, which is one of the barrier islands south of Savannah. And it’s actually still there, and the home is still there that he bought. And it’s been made a national property. And I’ve seen some pictures of it, and it’s fairly well decorated. He got too active in politics after he had returned. And he thought that he should become the commander of the militia for the state of Georgia. However, one of my ancestors, Lackland McIntosh, was already designated as a general in the Continental Army. And so they had a disagreement, very strongly so. And unfortunately, Button… going along with the propriety of that era, he challenged him to a duel. If you’re going to get in a duel, don’t do it with a soldier. And McIntosh came from a long line of military. And so in the spring of 1777, they met on a field in the Savannah area. They had a duel. And it wasn’t like we see pictures of and we talk where you stand back-to-back and walk off so many paces. They were about 10 feet apart looking straight at one another when they were instructed to fire. Well, both of them got hit in the leg, but unfortunately for Button, he got hit in the thigh and it broke the bone, and he got gangrene and he died in three days. And then the friends of his… charged McIntosh with murder. Well, they had a trial, but he was not convicted. It was thrown out because it was a tradition of the era. Now, there’s some other things that are relative on that. My grandfather’s grandmother was a McIntosh, and she was direct line from Lackland McIntosh, the shooter. But Lackland McIntosh was held in great esteem in Savannah. So he was later elected to be sheriff of Savannah and subsequently became the governor of Georgia. And there’s a McIntosh County in Georgia. That’s where my mother and my grandfather were born. So there’s been a direct connection between the duo. within the family for generations and it’s rather interesting and then my grandmother Elizabeth Brown Atwood who married Dr. Atwood her great her grandfather was William Sly who was also a governor of Georgia so we have a lot of connections there And when we talk about duals, in 1947, I went to Columbia, South Carolina, to the inauguration of the new governor, Governor Thurman. And there was a part of his oath of office that was really interesting to me. I was standing there a long time as a cadet from the Citadel, so I had to listen. And one of the provisions states that the governor swears that he has not participated in a duel since 1872.
SPEAKER 18 :
So they basically outlawed duels in 1872?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that’s in South Carolina. There were duels before and after that. We know, for example, that And President Jackson was involved in many duels. He killed one of his opposition in Tennessee, and he received a lot of wounds himself, and some of which he carried the rest of his life. And dueling was not limited to America. It was all over Western civilization. Germany used to be especially designed for using swords. So they would use swords, and it wasn’t always to kill a person. Sometimes it could be almost a friendly thing, but it was considered to be a status position to have a scar on your face showing that you had participated. And this was an honorable… sign on someone who had military or political aspirations.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m glad that we don’t do dueling to settle our differences these days. We’ve got a little bit of time left. Button Gwinnett signed the Declaration of Independence. What’s the story on that?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, what happened was when he got to Savannah and he started working in the mercantile business, it became apparent that he was not going to be much more successful here than he had been when he was back in England. So he became interested in politics, and he had great aspirations, aspirations much greater than his talent. But nevertheless, he decided that he was going to be in support of the movement towards independence. because there were many who were status quo. What most of us, when we were growing up, did not realize that a large portion, sometimes in many areas, the greatest portion of the population were loyal to the crown, even during the early stages of the American Revolution. And so… In Georgia, Georgia was the most conservative at that time, and it was the last of the 13 states to actually ratify. And so consequently, there was a split, and he became a popular person. And while he was actually up signing the Constitution, I mean the Declaration of Independence, When he returned, he’d been elected to be head of the party. So in being head of the party, then, he was going to assume the authority of like a commander-in-chief of the militia. That is where he got in all the problems with Mr. McIntosh, because McIntosh was already a general officer in the Continental Army. And George Washington actually pulled him out of Georgia for fear that he might be assassinated after he had shot Button. So he went up and actually the winner at Valley Forge, McIntosh, was on Washington’s staff. And he stayed in a similar capacity all the way through the end of the war. And then, of course, he went back to Savannah and then ultimately became the governor of Georgia.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, absolutely fascinating, and it’s so appropriate to talk about Butt and Gwinnett, signer to the Declaration of Independence, as we’re coming into Independence Day, Independence Week. And I so appreciate you, Colonel Rutledge, for sharing all of these. You read extensively, and you’ll call and you’ll say, hey, I think we should talk about And, for example, last week on America’s Veterans Stories, we broadcast an interview with you regarding the Battle of Okinawa in World War II. And you had friends that had fought in that battle, so it made it so interesting. That will rebroadcast this Sunday on all KLZ platforms, 10 to 11 p.m. Colonel Rutledge, I so appreciate you. My listeners do as well, or our listeners do as well. And thank you very much.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, it’s always a pleasure to share a bit of American history, some of which is not very well known.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, this is not. And again, this is regarding Button Gwinnett. And Colonel Rutledge’s ancestor got into a duel with Button. And the results of that, Button died from the wounds that he received in that duel. So, Colonel Rutledge, thank you, as always. Greatly appreciate it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, it’s a great opportunity. Thank you, and good morning.
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it is friday welcome back to the kim monson shows check out our website that’s kimmonson.com do check out the website for the usmc memorial foundation while you are there during independence week make a contribution and do that in honor of all those have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our independence and that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org in studio with me is ben williams with ben’s plumbing heating and cooling That number is 303-995-1636. It’s always great to have you here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Always great to be here, Kim. Thank you.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Alan Thomas will roll out your essay this weekend is National Legislation, The Right Response to a Shifting Cultural Landscape. This is a very thoughtful essay.
SPEAKER 02 :
And it’s always fun to be in the studio and talk about it with you, too. So thanks for having me on.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. And thank you for when you guest host. I really appreciate that. On the line with me is Josh Lowenstein. He is the founder of Our American Lands. And he’s realized that there are those out there that want to… prevent humans from interacting with our public lands, whether or not that’s oil and gas development, whether or not it is grazing, ranching, recreation. Josh Lowenstein, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. And I got to see you this week.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, great to see you out there in Elbert County, in Iowa there.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, there was a hearing regarding… Xcel Energy wants to put in a transmission line across Elbert County, and there was a hearing with the county commissioners on that on Tuesday. They made their decision on Wednesday. What’s your thoughts about the meeting?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, a few parts about the meeting, but in typical Delphi meeting technique, the representative from Xcel Energy said, really were trying to run out the clock to possibly prevent the people about, I don’t know, probably 75, 100 people that were there to attend this meeting and be able to let their voice be heard were starting to get really restless and concerned that they weren’t even going to get a chance to speak. So, you know, it’s typical of the folks that are doing this kind of stuff to try and slow that process down and to reduce the people trying to be against them. So, you know, Excel was trying their best.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and what that looked like, the meetings began at one on Tuesday. Staff made their presentation regarding the transmission line. That took about an hour. Then Excel took about another hour and a half to do their side of the presentation. Bear in mind, the 75 plus people that had signed up to speak, have taken time off from work. If they’re farmers and ranchers, they’ve taken time away from their businesses and have sat now through two and a half hours of presentations, then finally gets to a point where people were able to speak. And very heartfelt and interesting that Excel wanted the commissioners to approve an incomplete application and i was stunned to hear that some of these landowners had been i don’t know if it was served or anyway excel had been in conversation with them saying they will condemn their property and take their property via eminent domain i was stunned to hear that josh lowenstein well that was true there was uh apparently 13 of uh
SPEAKER 08 :
I guess a couple hundred possible eminent domain notices already had gone out, but 13 had gone out and people had already had to get representation and, you know, legal representation to try and fight it. And it was just, you know, awful that it was not even a procedural thing going on because Excel hadn’t even gotten their, you know, their planning done. It ducks in a row yet. And here we were, you know, with them trying to get the commissioners to approve an incomplete plan.
SPEAKER 18 :
And so this is a big deal. So the next day, the commissioners listened. All of the people that were there did speak, although some of them had to leave because it had gotten so late. You spoke. You made public comments. I did as well regarding that elected representatives are there to represent the people and to protect their private property rights. I indicated to them that they do not work for Excel. They work for the people. And they listened intently. They adjourned or recessed, I guess, recessed until the next day where they made their decision to deny approval of this incomplete application. Josh Lowenstein, I think this is huge.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is huge. And it is, you know, it’s great that the community rallied together and stood strong against these, you know, this giant corporation that wields an awful lot of power. And it’s pretty encouraging to other places around the country to, you know, to pay attention. If you stand up and you get out there and you make your voice be heard, a lot can be accomplished.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and this monopoly has all this power because it has been, I don’t think the right word’s given to them, but by this Colorado legislature, this Colorado governor, and the bureaucrats down in Denver as well. When you and I were preparing for the conversation today, you said there was another success.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, well, I guess a couple months ago in Conejos County, where I live, There was, you know, they’ve been working on and actually already been putting up transmission corridors coming from Sewatch County down through Alamosa County and intending to go through Caneos County. But the Caneos County commissioners voted two months ago to not approve the plan to come through Caneos County. And Xcel Energy sued. And the bottom line is that the The court dismissed case based upon no standing to use any eminent domain related to anything beyond the normal 1041 regs that say any new transmission corridors have to use the same easements as the old transmission corridors. And there was farmers and ranchers who were looking to put up pivots and on existing wells to water their fields for grasses and crops. And they were told by Excel that they were just going to have these power lines go right through the middle of their property in the same places where they wanted to be able to actually do conduct business. And the commissioners actually stood strong, and the county attorney did a good job with getting that case dismissed. So that was great. So we’re winning again in another realm.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, that is so important. And we have a couple of minutes. Tell us about updates regarding Our American Lands. I know that you have been in conversation with Commissioner Sean Pond over in Montrose County regarding that GORP, Gunnison, whatever that is. And unfortunately, we had a Republican congressman, Jeff Hurd, that put his name on that piece of legislation with Senator Bennett and Hickenlooper. So bring us up to speed on Our American Lands.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Sean might be best to speak completely to that, but it would appear that it’s 700,000 acres of land area that they want to ultimately close out of motorized recreation and permitted grazing allotments, all in the name of preservation, which preservation basically means it’s locked. is ultimately what that means it goes applies in the face of everything that the blm you know is supposed to be doing in their doctrine which is keeping lands public lands open for the public for multi-use including motorized recreation oil and gas development you know mining there’s there is supposed to be a whole racing available absolutely of course all that too and uh that’s It’s just rotten that our representative that was appearing to be relatively on our side with these issues has now just suddenly gone to the dark side with fully backing this. And when approached about it, apparently he’s gotten fairly hostile with people that are questioning his motivations.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. Well, we need to stay on top of this. And your website, what is that, Josh Lowenstein?
SPEAKER 08 :
Ouramericanlands.com. And it’s on Rumble and on YouTube, but Rumble is probably the best place to see some of the videos that are a part of this fight.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. Josh Lowenstein, thank you so much, and thank you for fighting for our American lands.
SPEAKER 08 :
And thank you, too, and thanks for coming out to Albert, too. That was great.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. I felt that I needed to be addressing this because it’s in my backyard. And congratulations to the Elbert County Commissioners.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. Thanks, Kim. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you. And Ben Williams, it’s great to have you here with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, Kim. Always special to be here.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Alan Thomas, always great to have you as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
Always great to be here as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
So thoughtful. And thank you to your editor as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, my wife is fantastic. She edits and takes care of two boys under the age of five. And me. So that’s no small feat taking care of all three of us boys.
SPEAKER 18 :
I hope she doesn’t get her superwoman cape caught in the car door.
SPEAKER 02 :
I hope not, too, but she has a nice little trophy on her bedside table that says Super Mom and has a cape, but the kids love playing with it, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
I love it. I love it. Okay, our quote for the end of the show is from Charles Swindoll. He said, Courage is not limited to the battlefield or the Indianapolis 500 or bravely catching a thief in your house. The real tests of courage are much quieter. They are the inner tests, like remaining faithful when nobody’s looking, like enduring pain when the room is empty. like standing alone when you’re misunderstood my friends today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice and the american way my friends you are not alone god bless you and god bless america
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