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Join us as former Senator Kevin Lundberg shares his insights into the importance of term limits and the role of citizen initiatives in shaping state governance. With years of experience in the legislative process, Lundberg offers a unique perspective on the balance between maintaining institutional knowledge and welcoming new ideas into political discourse. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the power dynamics within state legislatures and the continuous push for reform.
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Welcome to The Kim Monson Show. I am Jill Vecchio, and I’m guest hosting the show today. Let’s have a conversation. Thank you all for listening. Each of you are treasured and valued and have a purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. We were made for this moment in history. Thank you, producer Joe and Kim’s entire team for all the wonderful work you do. And since this is my first time guest hosting Kim’s show, if I make a mistake, I’ve given Joe complete authority to give me a hard time because I’ll deserve it. Listened to Kim’s show so many times, I should have this memorized by now. The website is Kim Monson, and that’s K-I-M-M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. I get it all the time. You’ll get a first look at all of her upcoming guests, as well as the most recent essays, and I guarantee they are really good. You can email Kim at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons such as oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And thank you to Hooters Restaurant for their sponsorship. There are three locations, Aurora, Westminster, and Loveland. They have great lunch specials Monday through Friday for dine-in or to-go. Wednesdays, that’s tomorrow, is a wings day. Buy 20 wings, get an additional 10 for free. The offer’s for to-go or dine-in. Hooters Restaurant’s a great place to get together with friends to watch your favorite teams. So today’s word of the day is one of my favorite words. It is obstreperous. And it is spelled O-B-S-T-R-E-P-E-R-O-U-S. Obstreperous. It is an adjective meaning noisily, unruly, or defiant. Hmm. I think we see that pretty much every hour of every day, don’t we, Producer Joe? Yeah.
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Yes, ma’am, we do. It is filled in the air.
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Yeah, that’s why I love this word. You can use it every day. Here’s an example of its use. The restaurant owner ejected the obstreperous customer. And we see all the time on YouTube, you can find all these videos of passengers on airplanes getting all wound up about things and being very obstreperous, and they get kicked off the airplane. Another definition, attended by or making a loud and tumultuous noise, clamorous, noisy, vociferous. That’s another really good word. Another definition, resistant to control, unruly. Sometimes I’m kind of like that. I imagine my husband would say. Let’s see. So that is obstreperous, O-B-S-T-R-E-P-E-R-O-U-S. And our first quote of the day, and I kind of like this one too, although we don’t even really know who said it. It has been attributed to Mark Twain, John Stewart, or Ambrose Bierce. God created war so that Americans would learn geography. I’ve always loved that, because every time there’s a war, you have to get the Atlas out, right? You have to get a map and go, wait a second. Where is Bosnia? Where is Herzegovina? Where is Ukraine? Where is Crimea, Odessa? So, yeah, that tends to be my case, too. Wait a second. Who’s doing what where? Let me find out where that is. Let’s see here. Headlines of the day. Well, I couldn’t pass this up, obviously, because Trump and Netanyahu… had their talks on the Gaza peace plan yesterday. And now, we didn’t talk about that yesterday that I heard on Kim’s show, and I think the agreement wasn’t reached until later. So I’m gonna read you some of this because this is huge. So President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reached an agreement yesterday on the U.S. proposed Gaza peace plan that was introduced last week. And I think Trump introduced it at a meeting of U.N. It’s a 20-point plan. Let’s see here. Hamas was not there. No leadership from Hamas was present at this summit with Trump and Netanyahu, but Trump had also presented these ideas to several different, to leaders and representatives from several different countries. Let’s see here. The deal can’t move forward unless Hamas consents to it. If Hamas does not consent, Netanyahu, with Trump’s approval, will finish the job by themselves, not with US troops, but Trump will support Netanyahu’s decision to finish off Hamas in Gaza if they reject this proposal. Trump has given Hamas 72 hours to release all hostages both alive and deceased from the October 7th attack. Let’s see here. I’m just kind of skipping through. Trump presented this peace plan to Arab leaders at the UN General Assembly in New York City. Netanyahu has accepted the finalized agreement. They have agreed to release 250 prisoners serving life sentences, Palestinians that is, along with 1,700 Gazans detained after October 7th. Netanyahu has agreed to that. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza, and they’ve got a little map where they’re going to be changing. Depending on how the process progresses, they will change the borders of where Israel is controlling Palestinian territory. Let’s see, they want to, let’s see, the peace plan also states that when the Palestinian Authority completes its reform program, it could prepare the conditions for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood. But I understand there’s no mention specifically of the term two-state solution. Trump thanked Arab, Muslim, and European leaders for supporting the proposal. So that’s a lot of support, which is really great. And praised Netanyahu for endorsing it, which he said will bring an end to the death and destruction. Netanyahu also called Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Salman Abdullah Rahman Al-Thani to apologize for violating Qatari sovereignty during Israel’s recent strikes against Hamas leaders in Doha. I thought that was kind of remarkable. Trump will be the chairman of a new international body called the Board of Peace that will oversee the rebuilding of Gaza. The board will manage a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. Kind of an infrastructure committee, it sounds like. And I remember in Iraq, there were huge problems with running to try and… make the transition to the new Iraqi government that they didn’t have proper infrastructure people, and it was really difficult. Nothing was working in the country of Iraq at the time. So hopefully they learned their lesson and will change that for Gaza. Let’s see. The committee will oversee funding for Gaza’s redevelopment until the Palestinian Authority completes its reform program and is ready to take control of Gaza. So rather than Hamas, they’ll have the Palestinian Authority. Oh, they want… The body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment, according to the plan. The plan also includes de-radicalizing Gaza, making it a terror-free zone. Hamas will play no role in the governance of Gaza. All military terror and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt according to the plan. No one will be forced to leave Gaza. Those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. The United States, Arab nations and other international partners will create a temporary international stabilization force to immediately deploy in Gaza. The new force will be long-term internal security solution and will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza. All parties will agree for a timeline for Israeli forces to withdraw in phases. See, I mentioned that. And then they have, like I said, this is an article from the Epoch Times, but there’s a little map that talks about that. Trump also said leaders of Qatar, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have all backed the peace plan. That’s huge. There was a joint statement of these foreign ministers saying, that said they welcome President Donald J. Trump’s leadership and his sincere efforts to end the war in Gaza and assert their confidence in his ability to find a path to peace. That’s pretty cool. Let’s see. Netanyahu, during their press conference, said if Hamas refuses a plan or actively works against it, then Israel will continue its military operations in Gaza. He says this can be done the easy way or it can be done the hard way, but it will be done. trump agreed saying israel will have his full backing to finish the job of destroying the threat of hamas if the terrorist group refuses the peace deal this is pretty big stuff i i’m very encouraged and you know folks just kind of say your prayers that we can get this something at least temporarily and just move in the right direction for a change don’t you think producer joe
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I absolutely agree. It would be nice to see some growth somewhere. I feel like we’ve been stalled out for such a long time. And I’ve seen Trump trying to do things, but it seems everywhere that he does, it goes just a little bit further and then stops.
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Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It almost seems like we’ve been looking for this for so long, it almost seems as if it couldn’t ever happen, right?
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You’re absolutely right. I feel like the rug is going to get pulled out any second now.
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Exactly. You were just, yeah, right, waiting for the proverbial second shoe to drop and all that. Everything to just fall apart. Who knows? This is interesting, but we’ve also never really seen a piece planned quite like this. This is unusual where there’s a lot of incentive for the Palestinians to agree to this. Let me go before our next segment. A great sponsor of the show is Roger Mangan, State Farm Insurance Team. They want you to be able to…
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Welcome back. I’m Jill Vecchio, and I’m filling in for Kim Monson today. Check out Kim’s website at KimMonson.com and email her at Kim at KimMonson.com. Thank you for contributing to support Kim’s independent voice and the exercise of our right to freedom of speech. Through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the USMC Memorial Foundation and all they’re doing to raise the money to remodel the official USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She’s a Marine veteran and a Gold Star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality. You can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We have one of my favorite people as our guest. Our first guest this morning is former Senator Kevin Lundberg. He’s up in Larimer County, and he has been just such a blessing to the state of Colorado for so long. I guess that tells you we’re both a little getting up there in years that we’ve known each other for so many years. But I was so excited that Kevin was going to be on the show today. He has so many things going on. He has been a former state senator, the head of the Republican senators for years at our state capitol. And he did such great work. And he’s never stopped. He’s never stopped working for everybody. So welcome to the show, Kevin.
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Well, Jill, it’s great being with you. And yeah, I can say you’ve never stopped either. I remember the first time we met was I don’t know how many years ago, but we were talking about some important issue that needed to be dealt with at that point in time that had some impact on everybody. So we’re here swinging the sill. And just for a little bit of clarity, it’s the Republican Study Committee of Colorado. It’s both senators and representatives, kind of the conservative party. wing of the Republican caucus at the legislature. And we just try to encourage people to get back to the core issues that really hold this republic together.
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Right. Exactly.
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That’s one of the things I do. And it’s It’s a good exercise to keep me plugged in with the legislature, which I have spent a good deal of time in. I was down there for 16 years as both a state representative and a state senator. One at a time, of course. But term limits wrap that up after that period of time. And And yet the work goes on. And a lot of my colleagues that not everybody, some people just kind of disappear into the woodwork after they’re done with their their term of office. But but there are several who really stay engaged at one level or another. And you discover that you’ve got a little more latitude when you get out of office because you can focus in on what you believe is the most important issue. components, and we all have an effect. That’s one thing I’ve learned, is whether or not you’ve been down in the legislature, as a citizen, we the people really have the authority to get things done, and that’s one thing I’ve kind of focused on recently, is working with citizens on citizen initiatives, and we’ll probably get into that a I believe everybody who is a citizen of Colorado, and I use it in those terms because that’s really what the 14th Amendment in the U.S. Constitution says. It says you are a citizen of your state and a citizen of the United States. And we need to take both of those responsibilities very seriously.
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And I kind of, just in watching what you’ve done over the years, it’s sad that somebody that’s really valuable like you were in the House and the Senate was term limited out of your position but at the same time if you think about it term limits are another i think another good reason to have them is so that people like you can’t don’t stay in office in that same place doing the same thing for years and years you leave and you you like you said you you find a niche or an area that you’re passionate about and you teach other people the system and how to work this and how to work that and you train other people and then new people come in and it’s it’s almost just like a like a corporation and you just kind of move up and into a different area but you into a different area of interest but you still have all of that very important experience that you take with you everywhere, and then it allows new people to come in into their kind of their training program. So I really still really do like term limits for that reason, especially in your case.
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Well, I’m one of the rare people who has been termed out who does support term limits. There’s actually a national organization that works on trying to put term limits in Congress. And I fully support that. Just to start off with, I don’t know that I would have made it into office had it not been for term limits, because quite often people get kind of comfortable, especially if they’re in a in a reliable district for their particular party. And at that time, I was. Now, they’ve juggled things around so that, lo and behold, I have Democrats representing me in both the House and the Senate right now. Right, right. Thank you. Retrawing all those. And sometimes gerrymandering is the way I look at it. Right. But overall, I believe that that we need to maintain, especially in Colorado, where we have a citizen legislature. That means it’s not a full-time job. When a state legislature becomes full-time and they start piling on all sorts of staffers and other things like that, they very easily lose sight of where they came from. In Colorado… Now, I’m not going to sing accolades for the current legislature because I think they’ve been doing terrible things, and we’ve discussed that on Kim’s show many, many times.
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But overall, if you have a citizen legislature, you have people coming from every walk of life. You know, the pay is not so huge that you just have to stay there for the hat. Right. with that you know, that cycling of people coming through the legislature, it does stay focused. And I did discover that to be kind of a principle that every attitude an opinion that has any degree of popularity within a state, you can find in the legislature, especially a citizen legislature like Colorado. And here’s an interesting economic factor. I don’t remember where the study came from, but somebody compared the economic vitality of the individual states and compared that to were they a full-time legislature or a part-time legislature and there was a clear pattern that if it was a full-time legislature it had too many rules too many laws and the economy was really not that healthy but it was quite the opposite if it was a citizen legislature and and term limits really reinforced that principle in my opinion now i’ve got some good friends on the other side that say, oh, but you lose too much institutional knowledge. And there are times that I question where in the world they come up with some of the things they do just procedurally, because nobody has been there long enough to understand how the process should work in an orderly fashion, whether you’re the majority or the minority. The legislative process has really been developed to to give everybody a place at the table, but to give the dominant opinions the power to govern.
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Right. Well, and term limits allows… Well, it forces. It forces… newness you know it forces new people to come in with new ideas and different ways of doing things you know when you use the term institutionalize i mean it’s almost kind of like yeah like it becomes an asylum well you know it can become very uh very petrified at the same time right exactly
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And we saw some of that in Colorado, where some people who had been there for a very, very long time really weren’t open to… how things have been changing. Now, again, I don’t want to give anybody an impression that I therefore think that things are being handled properly right now. They aren’t. And that leads me back to my effort right now with citizen initiatives because that’s the safety valve we have in the state of Colorado and several other states, not all of them, but many states have… We as citizens have the ability.
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Welcome back. I’m Jill Vecchio, and I’m filling in for Kim Monson today. Sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter at Kim’s website, KimMonson.com. That’s K-I-M-M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And email Kim at Kim at KimMonson.com. Thank you for contributing to supporting our independent voice and the exercise of our freedom of speech. And Kevin has been doing a lot of work on freedom of speech, so we’re going to talk about that in a little bit, too. But are you ready for financial freedom? Call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. As an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship, information sharing, a network of smart strategies, and a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie cutter plans. Everything is tailored to you. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. That’s 303-285-3080. Now, we’re back here with… Former Senator Kevin Lundberg, and he has done so many different things, and he has been a great supporter of free speech. Kevin, tell us about, you have a weekly newsletter, and you are also, you’re doing a project called Protect Kids Colorado, and kind of all of these things are… You’re combining all of those talents to three initiatives that are going to be on the ballot. Did you want to talk about those?
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Well, there’s a whole lot in what you just said there. Let me try to handle briefly on some of them. Yeah, I have been publishing a newsletter. I mention it quite often on the Kim’s program weekly. I started doing this when I was in the legislature. Um, and for the first few years I was there, uh, you know, we’d go through things and I’d try to kind of report to people and send out an email here and there and stuff like that. And at the end of a session, I would look back and I think, man, so many things happened and I really haven’t kept track of them very well. Uh, and I, uh, I’d be like most legislators. I’d know what the big issues I was working on and some of the big issues that came up that dominated everybody’s opinion and the like. But after a few years, I realized I need to start documenting this in a daily and a weekly manner. And out of that grew this newsletter that I have been publishing on my website, KevinLundberg.com, for, I don’t know, probably 15 years or so.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think that’s about how long I’ve been getting it. Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. And, by the way, the newsletter itself is on my website. I find it’s a lot cleaner that way. You know, with all the cancel culture, I’ve had email services in the past that would, you know, you’d put out something that was a rather big issue, and they would censor it. You know, they’d say, oh, well, we can’t talk about that. So I just put it up on my website, and we have a server that – that is not tied up with, you know, all the big conglomerate systems that are out there as well. So it’s pretty reliable.
SPEAKER 17 :
Can you give us the name of your website again? And kind of spell your last name just in case.
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Yeah, it’s KevinLundberg.com. And Lundberg is L-U-N-D-B-E-R-G. Kind of Google around that and you can probably find it if you didn’t get that quite clearly. But… Every week, I publish what I think are four or five, maybe six or seven, if it’s a really busy week, important issues that I want to draw people’s attention to. And I don’t write big, huge articles on it. I try to keep it very concise. And I send out an email, but the email simply says, these are the titles. And if you really want to know the meat of the subjects, it’s on the website. under Lundberg Report. But it’s just meant to be a starting point. I’ll put a lot of links in there so that you can go watch this or read this story or whatever. And it’s my… I spend… Far too many hours, frankly. I and my wife digging through things that pop up in news sources and on the different Internet feeds. X seems to be the most productive place nowadays. Thank you, Elon Musk, for rescuing that from, you know.
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well everything that was going down but so you just kind of you kind of consolidate you’re almost you kind of consolidate stories and kind of put things together for people that’s what i found when i when i used to you used to send out the newsletter i used to get it and i just loved the way that you kind of you you did so much homework that i didn’t then have to do all i had to read was your newsletter, and you made the important points. You kind of said, think about it this way, or this is the risk for this. This is what’s good. This is what’s bad. Yeah, so I recommend that people seek out your newsletter, and it’s going to save you a whole lot of trouble, especially when it comes to, you know, anybody who reads it, especially when it comes to Colorado stuff, because it’s not always easy to get the full story on things that are happening more locally and just in the state of Colorado. Now, you also did a movie called Art Club and you art art club movie. And I know you’ve talked about this before. I watched that the other day after talking to you. It was amazing. You and you did the filming. You wrote, directed and filmed it.
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Yeah. Well, I’ve been doing media work for many, many years, and I’ve done a couple of other documentaries through the years. Way back in the 80s, put together a documentary called A Civilized Adventure, which was a 16 millimeter film on the narrow canals of England. The British Waterways Board sponsored myself and a friend of mine to go and do that. And then in the, fast forward to the 90s, another 10 years passes, and my wife and I were very involved in homeschooling, and so I did a documentary on homeschooling and did that with cooperation with Homeschool Legal Defense Association, the national group that works with homeschoolers and several state organizations on homeschooling. That’s great. And then four years ago, I was asked to speak at a pastor’s meeting in Fort Collins along with a lady who had a story about what happened to her daughter and their family through this whole transgender ideology that has just taken over so much of our country, unfortunately, and particularly in our schools. And I was so impressed with her story. I was asked to come and just give a legislative perspective. How in the world is it possible for something like this to occur in Colorado? How do the laws allow this? And I actually come to find out that the laws don’t just allow it, they promote it. But anyway, I heard this lady’s story. Her name is Erin Lee, and most people, especially on Jim’s program, know exactly who I’m talking about because she has such a gift of communication and such a an important story that people need to know about that. I asked her, so who’s doing your documentary? And she’s like, oh, that’s an interesting thought. And so we did. We tackled that. And a couple of years ago, we actually came out with the film. And it’s It has grown into a real movement here in Colorado to address this issue as citizens through the initiative process. And we tried to get a couple of initiatives going last year, and it was just a little bit too close to the election. We didn’t quite have enough time to get it done. But through that, we formed an organization called Protect Kids Colorado. And people can find out more if they go to protectkidscolorado.org. And out of that, the big project we’re on right now is encouraging the signature gathering of three specific initiatives that deal with protecting kids. in a variety of ways. One is to ban the child mutilating surgeries that occur for what they call gender care, which is really medical malpractice in my mind. But the legislature has has gone the exact opposite direction and put in place laws that that specifically protect any medical professional and of course that was your field your world right um but protect them from any liability of if they engage in in some of these practices and this doesn’t address every aspect but it goes after what i think is that is is the The biggest medical crime, and that’s when doctors actually get in and start carving up children, basically. Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
uh make them think that they’re you know this boy is now a girl and vice versa well and it’s interesting because you know colorado when i was in medical school in the 80s um colorado was notorious right we were famous you know across the country for oh what was the name of the town uh uh down south trinidad trinidad trinidad that was the only place i think one of one or the only one or one of very few in the country that did transgender or gender change surgery sex change is what we call it sex change surgery they didn’t do very many and and the patients had to go there and spend months and months in psychotherapy to evaluate them and see if mentally this was a reasonable decision for them or if they had other mental illnesses and that sort of thing that this was going to mess them up even more. We had two… Men who transgendered had the sex change to women. When we were in medical school, they came and spoke to the medical students. And I tell you what, both of them said, yeah, I believed that I was a woman and I had this surgery, but if I had it to do over again, I would not do it. I am no happier. It did not change. solve any problems? And the idea that we’re being so flippant and the doctors are just doing this and giving these medications at the drop of a hat without really doing any kind of a psychiatric evaluation is crazy. This is just malpractice.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and let’s take this a step further because did they do it to children?
SPEAKER 17 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s the… Yeah, and this is an initiative Now, if you’re an adult and you want to go play games like that with your body, we’re not addressing that. That’s another subject. But to actually allow this to occur to children. And back in 2019, the legislature passed a bill and the governor signed it. that allows a 12 year old to determine their own care for um specifically for mental health issues in other words a parent doesn’t have a say uh a child talks to the you know the the medical professionals directly if they’re 12 or older and uh anyway With that as a backdrop, this initiative simply says you’re not going to engage in this kind of surgical procedure on a child in Colorado, and that means anybody under 18. Hear, hear.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s wonderful.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Now, that’s one initiative that we’re working on.
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Well, you know what? Let’s go to break. Let’s go to break. And then we’ll cover the other two initiatives all at one time. And, you know, that fourth segment always goes pretty quick. So we have this conversation to thanks. Thanks to great sponsors like Karen Levine. So stay tuned and we will be back.
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welcome back i’m jill vecchio and i’m filling in for kim monson today check out kim’s website at kim monson k-i-m-m-o-n-s-o-n dot com and email kim at kim kim monson dot com thanks for coming back and i’m s i made by my a mistake Before we went to break, I should have been thanking for this wonderful conversation. Of course, we love Karen Levine, but also Boson Law. So I apologize to Boson Law. And I’ll apologize in person on the next hour when we get to talk to them over the line. So we’re coming back. with Senator Lundberg in just a moment, but we would love to thank the Center for American Values. They are located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. The center is focused on the foundational values of America, which are honor, integrity, and patriotism. Through their K-12 educational programs, training for educators and portraits of valor of over 160 Medal of Honor recipients, the center is helping to instill honor, integrity and patriotism for our next generations. Check out their website. It is AmericanValuesCenter.com. That’s AmericanValuesCenter.com. Now, welcome back, Kevin. And we’re going to continue. I want to hear what these other two, so the first initiative is on gender surgery for minors. And then the other two, let’s just go through because this time goes fast. So let’s just say what the two are and then we’ll talk about them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure. Well, one is prohibiting any men participating in sports programs that are specifically designed for women. So prohibiting men in women’s sports programs. The final one is dealing with the whole sex trafficking of minors, of children, and basically that’s against the law right now. But what we’re doing is we’re increasing the penalty to basically say in Colorado, don’t do this, period. If you’re convicted of buying or selling a child for sex, It’s called Life in Prison Without Parole. Bingo. And that is, you know, some people say, well, isn’t that kind of a strong, well, yeah. And, you know, when you do that to a child, you give them a life sentence of that in their background and the changes that makes. People need to realize that this is a serious, serious crime. And our intent is… Not to punish as much as it is to prevent. To tell people just stay out of that game in Colorado. Right, exactly. So those are the other initiatives. All three, we’re collecting signatures for all three. We’ve got literally hundreds, really well over 1,000 people have said, yeah, give me a set of petitions. I want to collect signatures here. We’ve only got a few months to do it in. You’re limited to 180 days, and that started back in August. But really, between now and Thanksgiving is the big push. And so…
SPEAKER 17 :
So people should, if they’re interested in passing around and collecting signatures for these petitions, how should they contact you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it’s through the website protectkidscolorado.org. There we’re set up. You can sign up online and we’ve got it broken down into county captains. And so there’s somebody locally just about everywhere in Colorado that you can connect with. And we’ve printed, I don’t know, I think it’s like six or seven thousand petition packets for each of these initiatives. And those are spread out all over the state as well. And so it’s a big job because this is volunteer. You understand most initiatives are something that somebody bought their way onto the ballot with. And it’s very expensive. But I kind of like the idea of the citizens getting involved in a volunteer basis. And that’s what we’re doing. And I believe we’ve got a good prospect of getting this done if everybody will put their shoulder to the wheel and help us, you know, like myself. Last Sunday, I was at my church and they gave me permission to put up a table and collect signatures there, you know, wherever you’re at, your neighbors, your friends, your family, your your church or some organization you meet with people. Collect signatures and let’s get this done.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And you know, churches are, that’s a no-brainer. I mean, are they going to kick you out? I don’t think so. For one, these initiatives, every church should be behind these initiatives.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, they should. Actually, let me discuss that a little bit because a lot of them are reticent to do this and that’s unfortunate.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t recommend that you just show up and start doing it as much as I recommend you talk to the leadership of the church. And actually, here’s one very big church or organization of churches, I should say, that has taken this on a very serious way, and we’re very thrilled with this, and that’s the Catholic Church. The bishops here in Colorado have all – they wrote a very – a strong letter of support for what we’re doing, and literally instructed every parish to collect signatures. Wonderful. And, you know, if you attend a Catholic church, make sure they’re doing it there. But if you attend an evangelical church or any church, take the initiative to see how you can get things done there, because I believe that there is an important component for the church to engage with the culture. And on this particular issue, and it’s an issue that most Coloradans agree on all three of these, that it should be law. We did some careful research to ensure that the language worked and that the people of Colorado were ready to take this step, and they are. We just need to get it on the ballot, and I believe it will have a dramatic effect on the political culture here in our states, too. Imagine how our legislature is going the wrong direction. Well, this is the right direction. Let’s retrain their attention.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, exactly. And it is still government by the people. And if the people you elect aren’t doing the right thing, then, you know, if you can’t change them out right away, you know, you’ve got to override them. And, you know, it’s with the churches, because we know that, like the Methodist Church, the Baptist Church, so many different denominations have… have adopted the LGBTQ tolerance stand, which is unfortunate in some ways, but we’re all God’s children. But that’s different than the gender surgery for children. That is not the same thing as LGBTQ. If it’s gender surgery for adults, legal adults, that’s one thing. But for children, that’s where we’re… That’s where the line should be drawn. This shouldn’t be offensive to a church that supports LGBTQ or the LGBTQ community themselves, because this is about the children.
SPEAKER 08 :
Actually, last year, we had a very active participation from a group called Gays Against Rumors. which demonstrates that. But that’s a much larger discussion than we’ve got time for right here and now. You know, the basic principle here is something’s going wrong in the state that needs to be corrected. And even as the Colorado Constitution, where it establishes the legislature, says it’s in Colorado Constitution, it’s Article 5. And in Section 1, it says we’re establishing this legislature, but we the people reserve the right to make law independent of the legislature. And that’s what we’re doing right here. We’re exercising that right that was established with this state when it was actually formed back in 1876, nearly 150 years ago now. So let’s get with the reality of this state was established for citizen participation. And even as I was a legislator, but I realize I’m always a citizen, And I’m engaged in this, and I invite everybody else to be there, too.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Now, before we go any further, why don’t you give the website again for people where they can get petitions and so forth or make donations?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s… ProtectKidsColorado.org. ProtectKidsColorado.org. And, yeah, it takes some dollars to buy those petitions. You know, we’re looking at well over $50,000 just to get them printed, not to mention distribute and give all the other supplies.
SPEAKER 17 :
Now, is this a 501c3 or a c4?
SPEAKER 08 :
We’re a C4, and we very intentionally, and that means that we can be more aggressive in the political arena. There are some limitations when you’re a C3, and the distinction is, Donations are not tax deductible directly through a C4, but we knew that we needed that flexibility to really be able to do things like this. Exactly. We’re doing other things. There was a bill this last year dealing… Kevin, I’m sorry to interrupt you.
SPEAKER 17 :
We need to get you back on the show then to talk about some other things, but we’re getting toward the end of the show, so I’ve got to wind it up. Thank you so much, Kevin, for being here. Well, thank you, Jill. Take care and good luck. So quote of the day, double think means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously and accepting both of them. And I think just in our conversation this past hour, you can see it’s funny how some people can Free speech for you as long as you agree with me, but I get to have free speech all the time. It’s that kind of double standard that we need to constantly battle against, especially these days. So today, be grateful. Read good books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America. And get on this website and get active, folks. You know, freedom is not a spectator sport and government is not a spectator sport. We all need to do our part and stand up. And believe me, it’s actually fun. You meet some great people and you will have a great time with the people in Colorado. A lot of hard workers here. So stay tuned for hour two. I have five seconds left. Hmm. Let me just I’ll repeat the quote of the day. Double think means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously and accepting both of them. This was from the book 1984 written by George Orwell.
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I didn’t know that at all. That’s surreal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Isn’t that wild? Okay, here’s another thing that’s just crazy. So when I had kidney cancer, I had to have my right kidney removed, and that’s as an adult. This is wild. So at one point in the surgery, they clamp off the arteries and veins going to my right kidney to remove it. At that moment, immediately, my left kidney had to take up where my right kidney was leaving off. So it had to do double duty immediately. And it did. That to me is just like miraculous. So teleology, that is why, you know, this whole thing, in order to keep your body running at optimal performance, your kidneys have to do this. And it always just amazed me how perfectly wonderful the human body was made and designed. And I don’t think that it happened in a big bang, but that’s just my opinion. So teleology. Let’s see here. Ah. Oh, yes. Great. So we have John Boson joining us. Hi, John. How are you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Good morning, doctor. Doing well. And there’s no way a big bang just happened.
SPEAKER 17 :
I know. Right. Right. Now, you have some interesting stuff to tell us about some of these weight loss drugs. Is that right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the GLP-1 drugs. Also heard you’re going to talk about the covid shot so either one of those if you want to talk about well personally i would love to talk about the glp1 because uh i have some friends that are on that and i tell you their personalities seem to have changed or something what do you what are you finding out what’s coming up with that well i’ve i’ve heard that um i’ve heard a lot of things there’s a lot of stuff coming up on a on a regular basis in terms of other issues and problems uh that these things are causing folks but uh know was originally designed to help diabetics and then they figured out people did that they were losing a lot of weight and so the manufacturers of the different types of glp-1s they jumped on board that train in a hurry started producing you know different variations and as so happens so often with with these products and i was involved in the fen fen litigation 20 plus years ago people start having issues and problems and then it’s a matter of what the manufacturers knew when they knew it why why they didn’t more quickly disclose the problems or if they knew that there were problems before they even started pushing it out there and that’s again what we’re finding with the glp once people are having intestinal problems is one of the most common problems and significant problems And you’re probably familiar with gastroparesis, and I’ve heard that pronounced different ways.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, yeah, gastroparesis or gastroparesis, either one is correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but that’s the really big one. That’s the common one. That’s the one that we’ve seen a lot of. And often it happens with people that really don’t need to lose much of any weight, but they want to lose just a couple pounds. And what we see happening is when people go back in, And they adjust the dosage. They up the dosage. And it can be just slightly, but that seems to be a reoccurring theme in terms of when the problem develops, when people start really having some issues.
SPEAKER 17 :
So gastroparesis, for people that don’t know, that’s like essentially your stomach stops moving things through it. So you eat and it just sits there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. And that’s a horrible problem. Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, very uncomfortable, but you can’t… So we’re representing… I’m sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no, no, please, go ahead. Describe that, because that’s… Yeah, I mean, that is the problem. So we’re representing folks that have been diagnosed with that who’ve been on one of the various GLP-1s, and it’s a matter of, again, we’re early into the litigation. There is a MDL… multi-district litigation set up in eastern Pennsylvania handling all these individual claims. We’re upwards of 2,000 collectively around the country cases that have now been filed. And again, more information is coming out on a regular basis in terms of who knew what when. But it’s early in the litigation, so there’s much more that’s going to be coming out. But anyone that’s had or been on a GLP-1 that has suffered health consequences should give me a call so we can look into it much further at 303-999-999, all nines, and make a determination if they’ve got a claim.
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Welcome back. I am Jill Vecchio, and I am pleased to host the show today, filling in for Kim. Kim’s website is kimmonson.com. Sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at all of her upcoming guests, as well as the most recent essays. And you can email Kim at kimmonson.com. Thank you for contributing to support our independent voice and exercise of our right to freedom of speech. Through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the USMC Memorial Foundation and all the work that they’re doing to raise the money to remodel the official USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She is a Marine veteran and a gold star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality. You can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you know, we’re going to have, we have a new guest tonight. this hour is Brad Miller, and some of you may have already heard him speak on Kim’s show in the past. He has a remarkable personal story with regard to the COVID vaccine, although he has, we’re gonna talk about something a little different that he’s doing today. So, you know, I didn’t have time in the last segment to give the quote, but it’s better that I give it right now. The quote is, who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. This was in the book 1984 by George Orwell. In other words, whoever wins gets to write the history book. And whoever writes the history book also gets to determine what happens next. So Brad, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, thanks for having me on. Really happy to be here and hoping for a great conversation, which I’m sure we’ll have.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, now I can give you a little bit of an introduction or do you want to do it yourself?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I’ll just take a moment just to introduce myself. So my name is Brad Miller. I grew up in North Carolina, but I currently live in Tennessee. I went to West Point. I graduated from there in 2003, went into the Army and served a total of just over 19 years of active service. I attained the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. And in fact, I was a battalion commander in the 101st Airborne Division at the time that the COVID shot mandate went into effect. This would have been in the summer of 2021. and then just through a long series of events but the the short version of the story is that um because of my refusal to comply with that unlawful mandate i was relieved of command and then i i a few months later resigned altogether from the service so i ended up leaving the service in 2022 so i’ve been out for about three years um as i said i served a total of just a hair over 19 years of active duty And now I, in addition to my day job, I still continue to be outspoken about government overreach or outspoken in terms of encouraging others to stand up for truth and freedom.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, and 19 years, so you were so close to pension, you don’t have your pension. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
That is correct. So yeah, so I was about eight and a half months shy. So the way that I typically describe that is, Yes, it’s true that I lost my retirement pension. That is true. Many may be aware that at 20 years of active service, you can qualify for your retirement pension. So, yeah, so I missed that by about eight and a half months. However, I like to say that I left the military service with my integrity intact and my oath to the Constitution unbroken.
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You know, it’s always inspirational to meet people like you who are willing, were willing, and actually followed through with just sticking to your principles. And yes, absolutely, 100%. And I really respect that. now tell us about the current journey you are currently on you’ve been on the show talking about i think with and with dr jack who i i know as well from from different um shows during covid that i did with kim and dr jack it was always dr jack and dr jill which is a little you know That’s a little silly. But he has a series of really great courses, and you are teaching one of those courses. So tell us a little bit about that, and let’s go on, because you’ve got three really great things that you want to touch on that I can’t wait for this discussion.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. So I met Dr. Jack in the summer of 2023, and many of your listeners are probably familiar with him, Dr. James Lyons Weiler. And he does. So he came out of the world of academia. Of course, he is a scientist. But over the last couple of years, he has established a pretty remarkable adult education forum, which is known as IPAC EDU. Now, the IPAC is an acronym that stands for the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. EDU is just the education arm of of that organization. And people can find that at the website, just ipac-edu.org. And again, IPAC is I-P-A-K. So the way that this started was it involved a series of courses that were primarily within the field of science. Of course, he’s a scientist. Many of the other individuals that he invited to teach courses were also scientists. But over time, over the last five or six years, it has certainly expanded in terms of the catalog of courses offered. So in the summer of 2023, when he and I got to know each other, we started talking about maybe some additional courses, maybe even some humanities-type courses. So one of the courses that I developed was one that I launched in the fall of 2023, but that I am teaching again right now, and it is called Literature as Resistance. And the subtitle attached to that course is Recognizing, Unmasking, and Countering Totalitarian Tendencies. And here’s what the course involves. It basically involves us studying some of the well-known dystopian texts, almost what you could consider to be the canon of dystopian texts. like 1984, which you referenced in that well-known Orwell quote, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451. There’s also a Russian novel called We that we’re going to read. But what the course involves is taking these texts, reading through them as a group, and then trying to use those as a type of interpretive lens to better understand what’s happening in our world right now. Because as we well know, when we look at events that have transpired over the last couple of years, I don’t think it is much of a stretch at all for us to say we have seen many elements of dystopia or totalitarianism within our own governments.
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Exactly. And just reading, I think I’ve read Atlas Shrugged three times and first time was 20 years ago or no, it’s more than that. It’s like 35 years ago. And then I read it again 20 years ago and again, you know, 10 or 15 years ago. And every time you’re like, oh, my God, oh, my God, we’re that much closer. We’re that much closer. Right. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. So what this involves is us just basically – my joke is that I refer to it as a book club for people of action. So we’re not just reading the books to understand the books themselves. It’s not literature for the sake of literature or understanding literature. we are using them as a vehicle to do something. We want to take the warnings that are inherent to these books. We want to understand the insights. We want to understand the commonalities between those books themselves, but then also what they have in common with much of what we’re seeing today, right now, or in the last couple of years, so that then we can maybe have a little bit of a better foresight picture as to what may come ahead. And then, well, how do we get in front of that? How do we stop that? Or how do we at least prepare ourselves to deal better with it so that we can align ourselves with truth and preserve our freedoms?
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That’s a great place to stop. And everybody stay tuned because we’re going to keep going and we’re going to kind of dovetail into some really interesting things with Brad. We have this conversation thanks to great sponsors like Second Syndicate.
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Welcome back. I am Jill Vecchio, and Kim is taking a very well-deserved day off. The website is Kim Monson. That’s K-I-M-M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. You can sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. You’ll get a first look at all of our upcoming guests, as well as the most recent essays, which are always really, really good and very insightful. You can email Kim at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. Thank you for contributing to support our independent voice and the exercise of our right to freedom of speech. We’re discussing some interesting stuff with Brad Miller. He’s giving a course… going through kind of dystopian literature like 1984 and several other texts, but with an emphasis on kind of dystopian resistance and a call to action. Does that seem like a decent explanation, Brad?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think that is the appropriate characterization of what we’re going to do. We’re we’re reading these again, not just to read them and better understand the books themselves. That is a a vehicle for us to inform our own decision making and then make the decisions that are most appropriate for ourselves, our families, our communities and and ultimately our country. So that’s and also it’s. We’re going to read some nonfiction as well. There are also plenty of other elements from history that we’re also going to introduce into the course to kind of tie it in. So it is a pretty comprehensive, well-rounding course. But the core is, of course, those dystopian novels.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. And you and I talked about… And some other hosts on podcasts that you’ve been with have talked about kind of the reinstatement, the attempts to rebuild the military and maybe reinstate people who were kicked out like you or… encouraged to resign due to the COVID vaccine. And then you also talked about an Operation Gladio. So I have my notes that those were kind of next to each other. How would you address those? I’ll let you explain what you mean by those.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So we’ll talk first about the reinstatement. So There have been some actions that have been performed by the Department of Defense, which now, of course, over the last couple of weeks has changed its name to the Department of War. So there have been some actions that the Department of War has performed ostensibly to try and repair a lot of the damage that was done through the unlawful COVID shot mandate. Now, first and foremost… The Secretary of Defense, now war, Pete Hegseth, has admitted both in writing and verbally that the mandate was unlawful as implemented, which people like me have been saying for years.
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So finally, the Pentagon has come out and unequivocally admitted that they also have. i would say they have misrepresented the amount of action that they have taken to try and repair the situation i’m not saying that they have done nothing they have not done nearly as much as they would like the public to believe that they have done so they have created a policy actually a series of policies for a reinstatement process focused on bringing some of these individuals back or at least inviting them to come back But again, they want the public focused on this number of about 8,600 service members who were kicked out involuntarily from the military. What the Pentagon does not want the public focused on is the much larger number of about 100,000 service members who left the service altogether. Some of them, involuntarily, they were kicked out against their will, and others… quote-unquote voluntarily, but even that term, I would say, must be applied very loosely because a lot of those individuals left after being subjected to all types of undue coercion, much of which itself was unlawful. And if we use my own situation as an example, technically, the military would consider me to have left voluntarily because I resigned. But this was after being asked to comply with an unlawful order, being asked to give an unlawful order to my own troops, and then relieving me of command when I failed to do so. So again, we’re talking about someone being considered a voluntary separation from the military, but only after being subjected to a lot of unlawful coercion. Right. So the military has kind of separated these groups into the involuntary and the voluntary. Much of their efforts are focused on those who left involuntarily. So this group of 8,600… and not the much, much, much larger number of potentially 100,000 or more. But regardless, regardless of the distinctions that they make between those two groups, which are important because back pay is only being considered for that much smaller group, not for the larger group. But also, very, very, very low numbers of service members are even considering coming back. Why? Well, I would say it comes down to lost trust. Many people who left, they saw the way their leaders treated them. They saw the way that their leaders, even senior military leaders, broke the law, and they just do not want to return to the military. And so the Pentagon is in a situation where it can’t get a lot of these people to come back. And so it has started to misrepresent the type of action that is performed to try and get people to come back because the truth is not very comforting to the American citizens.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. I think the military has… The average kind of military non-general has really good reasons for not believing that those generals supported them when the generals should have been standing up and saying no. The individual soldiers should not have had to take the stance that they did. It should have been the generals. It should have come from the top down.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. So now your rank and file service members realize that when push comes to shove, the senior military leaders, the generals and the admirals, will not stand up for their service members. They will not necessarily obey the law. And yes, they will openly violate their oaths to support and defend the Constitution. That’s ultimately what this comes down to.
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. Yes, yes, yes. So, yes. And, you know, I think a lot of people maybe don’t necessarily know that A service member is not required to obey an unconstitutional order. I don’t think that gets discussed enough. Do you think?
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You’re right. So this is something that is not very well understood. And it should be. It needs to be understood, I would say, better in the minds of the public. So, yes, the military is built on orders. Yes, you must maintain good order and discipline. Yes, you must obey orders that you do not like. Yes, you must obey orders that you even think are tactically unsound. And hopefully, before having to carry that out, you would have an opportunity to perhaps approach the issuing authority for that order and explain some of your hesitance about that order. Of course, there are situations in which that is possible and others in which it is not. However, all of that changes. when we talk about orders that are unlawful or unconstitutional or immoral and in fact the military does a pretty good job about teaching even its most junior service members that they are not obligated to follow unlawful orders. And in fact, they have a duty obligation to disobey those unlawful orders. So why did that not happen? Why did virtually all of our leaders in the military go along with the COVID shot mandate, which was unequivocally unlawful, but also disobeyed? Aside from the legal dubious nature, it was also incredibly harmful. And it was almost immediately obvious that it was incredibly harmful to our overall readiness state because of all the physical injuries, to include death, that it created.
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Well, and you in the military and me in medicine were right in the same game because, exactly, it was medical malpractice. And the doctors just jumped right on. The corporate health care… machine force the doctors to do the same thing. So it was very much a parallel situation, I think, between the military and medicine, which is really a sad and nearly criminal kind of situation. Now, You mentioned this Operation Gladio, and it’s not really the same as this, but in a way it’s similar in that it raises… Questions about how truthful events are and what we can and can’t trust when it comes to military operations and things like that. We can talk about it for a couple of minutes, then we’re going to take a break and we come back. But I loved I really would love for you to explain to the listeners what this is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so maybe before the break, I will just explain what Operation Gladio is, and then afterwards we can talk about why I use that as a historical analog to understand what’s going on today. So Operation Gladio involves what were known as stay-behind networks. This is after World War II in Western Europe during the era that we now call the Cold War. And so this was all based on the premise that there is this huge looming threat from the Soviet Union and that the Soviet Union could invade westward into Western Europe. And of course, there was this specter of communism that was behind that. And so what happened was the CIA and then also the intelligence services from Britain, so the MI6, were heavily involved with a lot of the intelligence services from these nations in Western Europe through NATO. in basically setting up these secret paramilitary structures of individuals and weapons caches that would be there behind enemy lines in the event that the Soviets did invade westward and then take over Western Europe. But what ended up happening is they took… a lot of control of a lot of these European countries’ intelligence services to a degree that a lot of functionaries in these governments did not even necessarily know to what extent their own intelligence services had been subverted to some degree by the CIA, MI6, etc., through NATO. And what they were doing is they ended up using these paramilitary networks a lot of times to… stage certain events to include false flag attacks and then blame them on leftist extremist groups that they would say were communist in nature and therefore supported by the Soviet Union. So in essence, because the invasion from the Soviet Union never came, ostensibly what they did was they invented that invasion. They basically said, well, we still have all of these communist threats here in our country. They’re staging all these attacks, such as bombings of rail stations, etc. And what that did was it created a strategy of tension amid the public, where people realized at any moment in time, you could be an innocent victim of a bombing of just whatever public place you might be at on that day. And so that allowed a lot of these right-wing authoritarian governments, because of the public sentiment, the strategy of tension, it allowed a lot of these right-wing authoritarian governments to basically infringe on their own citizens’ liberties through very authoritarian security measures. And the public, of course, went for it because the situation was so tense.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. They’re kind of creating boogeymen. And it also supports… I’m sure it was also used politically for funding, constantly spending crazy amounts of money on latest technology, increasing technology for military and military spending. It’s a real manipulative thing. strategy to make people believe whatever you want them to believe and to justify whatever actions you may be doing in a subversive um in a subversive fashion right exactly yeah and i think to some degree this is quite analogous to a situation that we see playing out right now in our own country right before our very eyes Well, and I think we’ve seen it around the world. I mean, we know the CIA and the State Department, according to Victoria Nuland herself, under congressional testimony, said, yeah, you know, we’ve been involved in regime change in America. In Ukraine. Yeah. So that happened years ago and probably even more than once. Is it possible, Producer Joe, to take an early break? Okay, let’s take a break a little bit early and then we’ll come back and have a little bit more time to go into this a little bit deeper. We have this conversation thanks to great sponsors like Lauren Levy.
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Welcome back. I’m Jill Vacchio, and I’m pleased to host the show. Kim is out of the studio today, but I’m sure she’s still working hard. She doesn’t sit still for two seconds. Kim’s website is kimmonson.com. That’s K-I-M-M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at all her upcoming guests, as well as the most recent essays. Email Kim at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. Something that should be on your bucket list is to visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo, Colorado. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and teaching and upholding the principles of America, which are honor, integrity, and patriotism. For more information, check out their website, americanvaluescenter.org. That’s americanvaluescenter.org. We were talking about this Operation Gladio and how all of these intelligence, deep intelligence, MI6, CIA, all of these kind of spook organizations, as they say, have been operating in a – somewhat uh rogue fashion and it seems as if it’s been increasing over several decades now um i’ve used the term before false flag with people and it can be a difficult term to explain do you want to explain what a false flag event is for people brad sure let’s talk about that and then let’s see if we can um
SPEAKER 04 :
In the remaining minutes that we have, explain how Gladio may apply, again, as a historical case study or as an analog to what we’re seeing now. Okay. So a false flag, it’s a naval term. And basically what it meant at the time that the term first came into use is that a ship might carry out an attack on another ship or a harbor or whatever. And in doing so, what they would do is they would literally raise a false flag or a flag representing some other country or entity to attribute the attack they were getting ready to carry out to that other entity or country or whatever. So that’s what a false flag is. It’s where something is done, but it is done in a way to mask the true perpetrator and attribute the action to some other individual or group. Great. And so the
SPEAKER 17 :
I always think of the movie Princess Bride, where the king hired some shady characters to kidnap his future bride, but they made it look as if a different country did it so they could start a war, right? That’s kind of the Princess Bride false flag analogy.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s how a lot of false flags have been used. They’ve been used as a pretext for, for war. We saw that with, you know, many people are aware of some of the kind of classic false flags throughout history that have been used for war, etc., to include World War II. But there are many other false flags that have happened throughout history, and many of these are now admitted. And so, With Gladio, what we saw was some of these false flags were used so that people would then respond in a way that increased tension that then allowed for a lot of these security measures that, absent those false flags, would have never been permitted by the people. They just would have never allowed their government representatives to get away with that. But let’s tie this to the quotation that you used at the very beginning of today’s show, at least with me, where you said, Quoted Orwell from 1984, it’s this classic quotation that many people are familiar with that says, who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. So there’s kind of this interesting relationship, according to Orwell, between these various points on the timeline. And so what he is saying is, In order to control the future, you have to control the past. But to control the past, you’ve got to control the present. So whoever is in control right now, what do they do? Through their control of history, through them pushing certain narratives of history, they can then shape the future. So that’s the way that we have to understand it. So what does this have to do with Gladio? There are a couple of things, just to use a term that many people are familiar with because it’s just become so common in household speech these days. Let’s just talk very briefly about the deep state and what that name means. Because that name, interestingly enough, It’s not an American term. It actually comes from Turkey, and it largely comes from this same time period in which we’re kind of talking about Gladio. So several decades ago, kind of during the Cold War era. But it’s a term that came from Turkey, and what it means, of course, is like this secret nexus of intelligence services, military, secret police, secret societies. and that they together kind of form this secret network that becomes almost the true levers of governance, the deep state, the state behind the state. But what has happened is, as that term has become imported into the West, largely through the work of Professor Peter Dale Scott, and this wasn’t his intention, But it has kind of lost its meaning. And we have come to associate the deep state with either just bureaucracy in general, which is not what it means, or just leftists or the Democrats. And in reality, this is a uniparty phenomenon. And it is important that we understand that because here is the danger if we don’t. Because a lot of Christians and many other conservatives, a lot of times if they fail to see where the true problem lies, then it just becomes harder to address it. Now, I myself am a Christian. I’m also very, very conservative. So I completely understand some of the problems that can come from the left. And I think we do need to be on guard about that. However, if we focus all of our problems on the left, and this is why I kind of – Use this case study with Gladio. If we just focus all of our problems on the left, we may not realize that we may be in a situation which we’re being manipulated to focus there and that the same people that are causing those problems that supposedly come from the left. are the ones that are getting us to focus our attention there, when in reality they may also cause the response that is coming from the right. So in this country, I do think that we very much are controlled by a uniparty. It’s important that we understand that and that we don’t get sucked into kind of a false interpretation of certain events that happen and that we allow our emotions to get manipulated in such a way that we focus on an enemy that is not necessarily the true enemy, because that’s not actually going to get us into a situation in which we are aligning with truth and preserving our freedoms.
SPEAKER 17 :
And the way that you put it, I love the way that you put it, because Kim and I have talked on the show many times about that actually most Americans agree on more things than they disagree on, but the things that we disagree on are the only things that anybody wants us to talk about. That’s right. Right? And so the uniparty agenda, it serves both sides because as long as Republicans can convince us through fear and innuendo or whatever that the left is out to get us, then we are supposed to give the Republicans money, right? That’s how they make money. If they solved all the problems, they may not get reelected because nobody’s going to give them money. And it’s always done through fear. And it’s kind of like never let a good crisis go to waste. But in so many instances, I think we can say they actually create the crisis purposely so that… They can use that crisis, as you said, in order to increase the restrictions at the airport, right? Stuff like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s exactly right. And in this kind of neo-Gladio style that I’m kind of painting it up in, a lot of times the left or groups in the left, which are extremists, I’m not saying that some of these aren’t problems. I’m not saying that. But they become the avatars of chaos. to then get good conservative people, many of whom are Christians, to then, because they get whipped up into their emotions, that’s why this is called a strategy of tension, they then permit the infringement upon their own liberties that they would never ever permit, absent some of these moments of chaos that are being orchestrated. at bottom by the exact same people who are also pushing these security measures. So it’s the old dialectical construct of problem, reaction, solution, where the people that are ultimately causing the problem are the same ones who are offering you the solution. But if we get so whipped into the frenzy, then we don’t realize that the solution that is being offered is not a true solution. It was a predetermined agenda that had been decided upon long ago before the so-called problem was launched. That doesn’t mean that the problem isn’t a problem. It is still a problem, but what it probably means is that the solution is not a solution. So anyway, I’m rambling a little bit there, but hopefully that made some sense.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, exactly. And in one of today’s headlines that I didn’t get a chance to address, in the United Kingdom, Keir Starmer, the prime minister, said, proposed digital ID will be mandatory for work. And they blame, they say, oh, well, we have to make, you have to have this digital ID, number one, which, you know, I think that’s a whole other show in itself. You have to have this digital ID card or something on your phone, a digital ID, that really is for a totally different purpose. But they said, we’re going to make it mandatory. In other words, you can’t have a job unless you have this digital ID. And we’re doing that to protect British citizens from illegal immigrants taking their jobs. Right? So they create this immigration problem or they decide to use the immigration problem. I think they most likely are just using the immigration problem in order to that you have to have a digital ID and we’re doing it for your safety, right? Which is just ludicrous. It’s just crazy. So yeah, I think that you have, and all these, Colorado at the airport, they’re here, now voluntary, here, start using your digital ID. And Colorado is one of the few states that’s starting to embrace that right now. Be careful, folks. And I’m so glad you talked about this, Brad, because people need to start communicating you know, opening their eyes and getting their antenna up about this. And I want to thank you, Brad. We’re getting to the end of the show here. Thank you so, so much for giving us all this great information and kind of insight into how things work.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thanks so much for having me on. It was a great conversation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you, Brad. Take care and have a great day. Thank you. The final quote, there was truth and there was untruth. And if you clung to the truth, even against the whole world, you were not mad. That’s again from the book 1984 by George Orwell. So today, be grateful. Read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate, and listen well. Live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America, and thanks for letting me join you today, folks.
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