In this episode of Sekulow, Logan Sekulow and the team discuss the recent Texas airspace closure over El Paso and its implications for border security. Covering everything from drone incursions connected to cartels to new insights into crime reduction across the United States, they explore the evolving landscape and the actions being taken.
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On today’s show, we’ve got the latest on the Texas airspace closure and what we know.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. For today, Will Haynes is joining me in studio. This is Logan Sekulow. We’re going to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110, reporting on a lot of the news that’s happening, and of course the work of the ACLJ. And remember from yesterday, we had the discussion about that panel that ended up turning into what felt like a setup anti-Semitism panel, going after a lot of the pro-Israel conservatives that were sitting there. We’re going to discuss that as there are some big updates But then also, also this, a lot of you probably woke up as I did to news alerts. there had been a full airspace closure over the west texas town of el paso this happened in again phone lines are open for you what does it look like why did this happen and originally this was scheduled not scheduled this was announced to be a 10 day closure of airspace again this doesn’t really happen much at all in america I don’t think this had happened even since September 11th when all airspace was closed temporarily. Now, they have already lifted it. Why did this happen? We’re going to break that down. And a lot of it has to do with border security. You know, we get a little convoluted, a little messed up now. I feel like in terms of what the difference in immigration reform, the difference in what ICE is doing, and of course, the border. In the border, one of the things that we have conflated over the years is what border security looks like and what does it look like for drug traffickers who are bringing drugs in our country. Unfortunately, in our brain, it may always seem like it’s people trying to cross the border with their jackets and pants full of drugs, sneaking over. But that is not how it operates. It operates on a much more significant… technological and significant way. These aren’t small operations. These are large drug traffickers. These are rich individuals funding different ways to get drugs into our country. And we believe
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That this is what it had to deal with. That’s right. So according to the FAA, they put a 10-day ground stop on all flights and temporary airspace restriction for that El Paso area for special security reasons. Then there was even a shock by a congresswoman from the area who said, you know, we had no prior warning of this. Ten day air stop is unprecedented. And she was saying, I’m going to continue to get answers on this. It was reopened a few hours later, but then it was told that there was a drone incursion. from mexican cartels in that the department of war had taken action and neutralized that threat Now, drone incursions from the cartels, this is actually not something new. They use drones to smuggle weapons, to smuggle drugs, to surveil and understand the movements of border patrol. So for some reason, this, and it’s led to a lot of speculation, was seen to be something much bigger than just a normal everyday run of the mill cartel drone going over the border. because of this 10-day special security reasons ground stop. Department of War neutralized that threat, and they reopened the airspace. So we’re going to get into that as well, as Logan said, what kind of this quasi-war with the cartels that is happening and has been happening for a long time at our southern border looks like and what it means and how it even ties into some of this immigration debate.
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That’s right. And with that debate, there are some really new – Findings is coming from sources like CNN. You wouldn’t think sources necessarily would want to be giving a Trump administration any praise. But the data and the information about the decline in crime, we’re going to discuss that coming up as well, as the numbers are pretty staggering. We need to make sure that we are not forgetting that some of these tactics are chaotic. Some of the tactics, though, are working. Let’s break that down when we get back. Phone lines, again, are open for you. When you get this text alert, push notification that says, airspace closed in America, how do you feel about that? Of course, there’s a lot of other news breaking around the country as well, and we’ll keep you updated on that as well as needed. Phone lines are open again at 1-800-684-3110. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. Phone lines are open. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. A lot of you are just joining us right now, so we’ve got to restate what’s going on. That is, a lot of you probably woke up this morning to a push notification on your phone, maybe from a news service, saying that there has been an air closure over El Paso, Texas. Why? Why did the airspace close? Originally, they had said this was going to be a 10-day closure. This is one of the biggest closures since September 11th of 2001, so almost 25 years. since there had been an airspace closure like this. Now, we are only a few hours later, and that airspace has reopened. So it starts to open up and beg those questions of, well, why did this happen, and what does this have to do with whatever’s going on in West Texas?
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That’s right. So the Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, put a post on X that said, the FAA and the Department of War acted swiftly to address a cartel drone incursion. The threat has been neutralized, and there is no danger to commercial travel in the region. The restrictions have been lifted, and normal flights are resuming. As we mentioned before, the cartels use drones to smuggle drugs across the border. They have IEDs that they can drop from drones. They can smuggle weapons. They even just use it for surveillance tactics of finding new places, uh, to mule people across the border, uh, for their coyotes. They, uh, also use it to track border patrol. Um, there, and there’s also many ways that the U S combats this, whether it be through, uh, technological ways you can take down a drone by disabling it with a directed uh pulse pulse that will you know disable the technology causing the drones to collapse to the ground or whether it is a discombobulator not that discombobulator but maybe something like there’s also this this situation here where people are speculating well because this happens all the time Was there something else going on? We know that it is near Fort Bliss. Checks a lot of boxes. We know that there’s a lot of new technology that all of a sudden the United States has been trying out in places like Venezuela. Was there a concern that if they were testing out new technology on the drones that has not been previously tested in the radius of commercial airlines, is that a situation? There’s a lot we don’t know and a lot of speculation because in and of itself, A drone incursion across the border, especially unless they all of a sudden have the type of drones that are military drones, a larger Reaper style drone that is almost an airplane size as compared to a more commercialized drone that can still be big, but. Traditionally, where they’re flying aren’t cause for a complete ground stop, especially for 10 days. We know that this is over, but a lot more questions, especially for members of Congress that represent these areas. I think we will find out more about what’s going on, but it doesn’t seem that just the superficial story of it being over,
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the everyday type of drone there is another reason why the faa decided that a 10-day ground stop was necessary for a time and then they were able to change in course correct yeah i mean maybe they said maybe they thought it was something stronger bigger than maybe what it was they were able to go in and investigate this situation and see what it was and realize it wasn’t no threat or was that a minor threat maybe that’s what was going on however That doesn’t change the fact that the news always seems to be changing. And again, as I’ve said here on this show, it feels like we can only focus on one story at a time. Right now, if you turn on the news, of course, the only thing being covered right now is the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping. And I’m not just saying it shouldn’t be a top story. It is a horrific and we’re praying for that family and we hope she gets home safely. There’s been news on it. But again, I always feel like the American people can balance a few stories at once. So you can balance what was going on in Minnesota. You can balance what’s going on in Iran. You can balance what’s going on with Nancy Guthrie. And then also have situations like this where we can discuss the framing of immigration reform and going what that looks like. Because like I said, that I did feel like some of those moments with ICE in Minnesota did make you go, oh, I do think there’s a difference. You can’t paint it this broad with what immigration looks like. and what border security looks like and what going into a city and starting deporting people and what that chaos could bring to a city is not necessarily always the same of what’s happening directly at the border. And a lot of people are at least on the side of there being some kind of border protection, and of course, hopefully, most of them are on the side of there not being drug cartels being able to run, or human trafficking cartels just being able to run amok in our country. And we have seen some of these changes in the way crime is treated in America to provide some very significant decreases in numbers. And a lot of these were coming from CNN, Will. They were coming from what you would say are, if they’re biased, they certainly are biased, but not towards something they would like to give any credit.
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to a conservative uh administration well and here’s what i think that we should remind people and i think a little bit where those that are pro-border security and pro-immigration reform and controlling the amount of illegal immigration have lost the narrative a little bit is because it has focused so much on ice raids in places like minnesota so far detached in the American mindset from the southern border that it can. Minnesota is probably one of the most detached. Right. And that’s what I’m saying. You start to lose maybe the narrative of where this all stems from. And I want to point people back because this was one of the most revealing publications or articles written about immigration in some time. And I always think about this when we’re talking about this entire narrative. this is from the new york times in 2022 so in the middle of the biden administration we always think of the cartels as being drug smuggling operations and uh weapons smuggling all the illicit activities that are harmful to american citizens and things but that is their focus right that’s their money maker uh you think of even uh the the way it’s it’s in hollywood and put on tv is that it is the drug kingpins and that’s how they make all their money this article shady warehouse right this article from 2022 in the new york times is titled smuggling migrants at the border now a billion dollar business because previously while they still made a significant amount of money but in 2018 during the first trump administration the cartels were only making about 500 million dollars from smuggling of migrants so not necessarily smuggling of people that are smuggling drugs this is just the business of illegal immigration They found in 2022, two years into the Biden administration and the disastrous border policy that they had, it had become a $13 billion business. Much less of a risk. In four years. They took it from half a billion dollars to 13 billion dollars of revenue source for these drug cartels, these drug cartels that are narco terrorist Paris states that operate within Mexico. And they had taken that revenue astronomically more that is what we’re talking about when we talk about immigration and border security because not only are the illegal migrants here many of them criminals committing these horrible crimes here without a lot of retribution in many cases but it also is a major revenue source for the drug cartels which kill tens of thousands of americans through overdoses of fentanyl through overdoses of all these other drugs that they smuggle in really 100 of their business is that they’re in the business of of american deaths and when you see how much money they’re able to make from a lower risk proposition that helps fund the other operations so just the illegal immigration component of it is a national security issue even when you take out all of the other political policy debates that people have around it there is a reason why this administration focuses on it and i think to some degree they have lost that narrative because it does need to go back to who this is benefiting and that is a national security issue yeah
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And the changes of going back maybe to what border security looks like could reframe our thoughts, like Will said, away from something like what’s happening in Minnesota, because that only looks like chaos. But let’s actually take a look at these numbers. We only got about a minute and a half. This should stir you to call in, because here is what’s going on. This is the most recent, this is direct quotes from CNN, the most recent major cities chief association survey, which made up of statistics compiled from 67 of 68 responding law enforcement agencies released again just a couple days ago, early February, shows that homicides were down 19% last year. First year of the Trump presidency, part two. 19%, that’s in homicides. Reports also show that robbery was down almost 20%. Sexual assault was down 9%. And aggravated assault was down 10% last year compared. to 2024. So that’s what shows you how actual change in some of these laws and leaderships actually can affect the safety on the streets. You may get scared because you’re looking at the news. You’re seeing chaos in Minnesota. You’re seeing the situation with Nancy Guthrie. Again, our prayers and our thoughts are with that whole family. We hope that it ends up being a safe return. But let’s not forget there is actually some very interesting data. The statistics show that this data shows we’re actually headed in the right direction. What do you think about that? Does it feel that way? 1-800-684-3110. That’s at 1-800-684-3110. If you’re watching online and you don’t have a comment, you’re watching on YouTube or Rumble, let me know where you’re watching from. I love it at the break. Just take a look at where everyone’s watching from. And again, as we head this Friday, we got some big updates in the U.S. Supreme Court and how the ACLJ are getting involved. I’ll jump into that in the next segment. But I want you to get involved right now at ACLJ.org. And if you can, become a champion today at ACLJ.org slash champions. That’s someone that gives on a monthly basis. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. We are taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. And again, of course, we were talking about first, what’s happening in El Paso, Texas. There was a lot of confusion this morning as the airspace was closed. What did it look like? Why was it being closed? It’s been closed for 10 days after a drone incursion. Now, they have lifted that after just a few hours. And it opens up a lot of questions for the American people that this would even happen. Again, I think it was scheduled to be the longest since September 11th. Why did this happen? We broke that down in the last few segments. A lot of thoughts on it having to do with border security and, of course, even drug trafficking. As you may be thinking about the ways, the technological ways that drugs can be brought into the United States of America through our southern border. It’s not always on a human body. There are many different ways they could do it. These are highly technological, sophisticated, drug-running groups. This is not, as Will said, how many billion dollar industry?
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13 in 2022. And remember, there were two more years of the failed Biden-Harris policies after that report came out of 13 billion. I can imagine that with the amount of illegal immigration coming across the southern border, that number has drastically been cut down.
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Yeah, and at the same time, President Trump is currently meeting with Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, at the same time as they’re discussing what the future is with Iran. Of course, they’re discussing how Israel will be supported, as we know that at least President Trump has been a friend to Israel. At the same time, we also remember what we talked about yesterday, which, of course, has been the rise in anti-Semitic rhetoric and anti-Zionist rhetoric that is starting to come out of the right. and why the far right, the alt-right, if you will, this sort of influencer right, has decided that that is going to be the sword that they die on, so much so that you had, well, maybe we need to refresh everyone of what happened at this religious freedom summit, if you will.
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Right, so this was a meeting, a hearing, really, of the Religious Liberty Commission, where their entire goal, and this was created out of an executive order last year from President Trump, And it has people like Franklin Graham, it has Dr. Phil on it, it has Cardinal Dolan on it, well-known figures in the religious world that are supposed to be having hearings and hearing about the status of religious liberty in this country and making policy recommendations to the president of how to ensure the security of religious liberty in this country. Yesterday’s was on anti-Semitism and it had members testifying that were experienced anti-Semitism at universities in the United States post-October 7th. And you had this commissioner, someone who was on the board until today, Carrie Prejean Bowler, who decided to hijack the hearing and and turn it into an interrogation of these individuals about antisemitism. And we can now announce, and we called for it yesterday, that she needed to be removed from this commission. And Dan Patrick, who is the Lieutenant Governor of Texas and the chair of this commission, has announced that now, that Carrie Prejean Bowler has been removed from President Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission. No member of the commission has a right to hijack a hearing for their own personal and political agenda on any issue. This is clearly without question what happened Monday in our hearing on antisemitism in America. This was my decision. And he goes on to talk about the mission of the commission. But this was an individual who was saying things like, you would call me antisemitic for not being a Zionist and believing that Jews killed Jesus. And also she was speaking with authority about Catholicism She’s been a convert to Catholicism just since last April. Meanwhile, there was an actual cardinal of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Dolan, that was sitting near her. And she was lecturing how no Catholics are Zionists. They don’t believe in the issue of Zionism. And she went on to say things about how Candace Owens is labeled an anti-Semite and she listens to her daily and has never said anything anti-Semitic. She asked the members of the commission, hey, I’ve been keeping notes. uh you’ve mentioned Israel 17 times will you now condemn Israel for their war in Gaza it was an interrogation she was wearing a Palestinian flag pin to this commission she wanted to be an antagonist and now she has been removed yeah I think the way I need to get to sort of the news that happened overnight right and that’s that was great that’s a great move from from the commission that that the chairman of the commission lieutenant governor Dan Patrick removed her however This is the right move, but the rift within conservatism exists because now you are seeing Marjorie Taylor Greene post I’m with her and a clip of her going after these individuals on the panel. You see Candace Owens rushing to her defense with a statement on X that it spews some of the same lies and anti-Semitic tropes talking about child sacrifice to bail yeah it’s nothing new for but those are the thousand year old slanders against Jewish people that are being regurgitated and that’s her defense of this individual is using those anti-semitic lies right and like I said on the show yesterday if you have a problem with the political state of Israel you don’t like what they’re doing you don’t like the war in Gaza I understand I don’t necessarily agree with you but I understand you’re allowed to have that opinion
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When you start peddling tropes, and look, Marjorie Taylor Greene is one of the people that has been peddling those tropes for years and years. So much so that it became something that conservatives almost had to put it out of their minds. And remember, they had to kind of forget about it. Go, she didn’t really say that. She didn’t really say anything about the space lasers. Didn’t really say about them controlling the weather. All of those things that they’re like, okay, well, if you look at her quote, it wasn’t exactly that. Well, now there’s no more having to defend it because you see through the lies. That’s the one thing that I’ve always been very happy with this show. This one hour a day. So we don’t lie to you. We don’t pander to you. I don’t tell you things because it fits a party platform. I actually, if I wanted to do that, would probably have a much more successful show. And remember, that’s what a lot of these people are doing. They are pandering to you. They are giving you the information they think you want, even if they don’t believe it themselves. Now, do I think Candace Owens believes it? I do. I do think she believes these things. I do think Marjorie Taylor Greene believes these things. Because if they didn’t, they actually would have probably had a much more successful mainstream career. The version of Marjorie Taylor Greene that now shows up on The View, after being also the person who is going after Israel, after now going after the Trump administration, after then going, you know, it doubles and triples and quadruples down. It’s people who are hungry, though, also for the attention. But we never do that here. We are consistent, but we are consistent but honest. I’ve had issues with Israel before. They have not always had someone that I agreed with running the country. Just like people have issues with America. And they don’t always agree. Flashback a year ago, you probably didn’t agree with a lot of what was going on in this country. There’s nothing wrong with that. But when you start peddling these tropes, is when all of it starts to unravel and it just becomes pure hatred. And we have to fight back against that on the conservative right and on the liberal left. That this demonization of anyone based on just their blood is something that we are okay with or are comfortable with or are willing to come up with these really ridiculous ideas and regurgitate nonsense And that has sadly become more and more creeping and creeping into the mainstream. It happened in the left, no one said anything. It’s happening in the right, at least you have some people pushing back. But I need those voices to be louder. I need your voice to be louder as well. When we get back, we’re going to take calls on that. We’re going to take calls and questions. Of course, we are happy that the person was removed from that panel. But just that they were there in the first place is a concern.
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I think we should play some of her sound as well because it needs to be called out specifically for what it is. It can’t just be ignored. And you have to combat that speech with more speech.
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We’ll be right back with just a moment. Second half hour of Sekulow coming up. Make sure you find it broadcasting live online. However you get your podcasts. We are there. ACLJ.org.
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Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome back to Sekulow. Second half hour of the broadcast. Thank you for joining us. We got quite a few topics to hit. We are talking about what happened overnight, which was a airspace shutdown in El Paso, Texas. What did that have to do with the southern border? What did that have to do with drug cartels and trafficking? We went into that a lot in the first half hour. We’re going to keep discussing next. I know a lot of you are just tuning in. We also have an update. on the entire debacle that happened. Look, I mean, it’s the bigger picture issue that’s happening in the right right now, which is the acceptance of anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, what it all means, and not specifically even a critique on Israel, but specifically blood libel, the conspiracy theories. You’re talking about bringing back, the Israelis are trying to stop biblical prophecy from it. All of these old tropes, That have been spewed for hundreds, if not thousands of years, being regurgitated through some prominent voices of the conservative right. What does that look like? Why is it happening? Why should we stop it? Obviously, hopefully you should understand why it should not become pervasive in the conservative Christian movement. Very uncomfortable with that, as you can imagine. I’m very uncomfortable seeing friends and family sharing some of these type of moments, specifically having children who have Jewish blood in them as well and are being raised with the traditions of Christianity and Judaism at the same time, very proudly. I’m nervous sometimes when they go and tell their friends about their heritage because this is happening within who you’d even think were your normal friends. So we’re going to break that down coming up in this segment. We’re also going to take calls and questions. Look, we know there’s a lot happening today. Benjamin Netanyahu is in Washington, D.C., meeting with President Trump. We know a lot of eyes are on what’s happening with Savannah Guthrie and Nancy Guthrie and her kidnapping. This is not the show for that. Our prayers are with them. If something big breaks, certainly we will tell you. I’m not afraid to tell you because, look, everyone’s watching. But I also believe in the work of the ACLJ and what we’re able to do here on this broadcast is present you with a lot of conversations, a lot of topics at once. Because I believe you have the ability to focus on other things. I have had the news channels up in our studio. They’re right here. If you could see the other side of the camera. They have not broken off of the same shot, it feels like, of what would be a drone or a helicopter of Nancy Guthrie’s house for the last 35 minutes that I’ve been sitting here. Nothing wrong with covering it, but we’ll tell you if anything new happens that you need to hear about it. But this show, we are handling some big issues. And I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. whether it’s about what’s going on, remember, we can now say what’s happening in Minnesota or situations with ICE or all of the chaos, you got to remember that that is disconnected somewhat from the security of the southern border. Most people are for the border security. Most people are against drug cartels being able to run amok in the United States of America. And I think it’s important that we can separate a lot of these issues. And with that, we will be able to actually have nuanced conversations. Just like our conversation surrounding Israel. The nuanced version of the conversation is that you may disagree with the political party currently running Israel. You may disagree with their actions in Gaza. I don’t feel that way personally, but I understand at least having that conversation. What I don’t like is this acceptance amongst people, like obviously you have the loudest voices in the room being someone like a Candace Owens, but then it infiltrates its way into the administration, if you will. Infiltrates its way into some of these religious freedom panels. We’re going to talk about that, the ramifications of that, and what it looks like when you have then a group rising that decides to peddle tropes, conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theories that are laughable. but treated seriously. We got calls and comments coming in about that. We’re going to take them coming up. And look, the ACLJ is also hard at work. We got vital hearings this week protecting religious liberties, multiple street preachers who were targeted on public property. We’re representing them. Got a whole list of things in front of me. Friday, we’ve got a Constitution case against another Gavin Newsom going after the state of California. This Friday, it’s the United States Supreme Court. We’re in a case where they’re pushing to allow this is election integrity issues. We’ll go through all of it. There’s so much to cover, but I wanted to give you a bit of a bit of a primer before we break down this next half hour. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. If you’re on hold, stay on hold. In the next segment, we’re going to get to as many calls as we possibly can. So if you want to be part of the show, it’s a great time to call in, kind of get in line. 1-800-684-3110. I did want to pivot a little bit. We will get back to the southern border conversation. So if you are on hold or you want to call in about that, feel free. But also we want to talk about sort of rise in anti-Semitism and a bit of an update of what came out of yesterday’s conversation.
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That’s right. So we see that this commissioner has now been released from that Religious Liberty Commission. This is obviously what stemmed from the hearing on Monday where Carrie Prejean Bowler went after those that were testifying about their experiences with anti-Semitism on university campuses. This is not something that can be denied that happened. We watched it play out in the encampments across universities where they wouldn’t even allow Jewish students to go to class and they were making assumptions about individuals just based off of how they looked. They were trapping them within library meeting rooms where they were terrorized and they were fearing for their life and this is in the wake of October 7th and This individual who is truly an unserious person. I’m not sure how she got on the Religious Liberty Commission. She became kind of a MAGA influencer a while back, has some questionable things in her past. Not that people are not redeemable, but it doesn’t make full sense how she ended up on this commission. But here’s one of the other things, and I think why it’s important to play some of these clips. Because… some of the arguments that she’s making one are aligning with radical Islamists. And even here, she basically admits to the premise that the person she’s interrogating is, is stating with her response. This is bite three and where she is questioning the people on the panel. If being anti-Zionist is anti-Semitism, let’s play it.
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Just to be clear, is anti-Zionism anti-Semitism?
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Yes.
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It is? Under IHRA? Rabbi, you’re up next. You’re not sure?
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So what is the definition? I would love to speak to that. Undoubtedly anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. And undoubtedly… And one does not have to support the specific policies of the government of Israel, but to not support the right of Israel to exist, which is what anti-Zionists do, while not taking that same stand to the 28 Muslim countries and 13 Christian countries in this world, is a double standard, is hypocrisy, and is absolutely anti-Semitism.
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I think it’s also important that we not make Islamophobic remarks while we’re here today. I would appreciate that.
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So while she’s wearing the Palestinian flag pen, his entire point is that if you don’t believe Israel has a right to exist, But you also don’t have that same position for Muslim countries or Christian countries. Our own country. Right. Then you are a hypocrite. You have a double standard for the Jews than you have for everyone else. And therefore, that is anti-Semitism. Pretty basic concept. And she immediately goes… I think it’s important that we not make Islamophobic remarks while we’re here. Thank you very much. She agrees with his premise by proving it.
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I like that impersonation. I knew you would. That was a good voice.
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I didn’t go too far with the voice.
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Body acting, if you’re watching online, Will Foley took on that role. Well, I did the You did an arm cross. It was very impressive.
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I liked it. I appreciate it.
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Look, I think this has been a common issue over the last few years, which is even the word Zionism. Zionism has been deemed a term of hatred. has been deemed a uncouth term. Something that most of us grew up with, the term Zionism, being something that was a positive. Again, all it is is that you agree that Israel can exist, that the Jewish people have a homeland, that it should be there. That’s it. That’s the basic premise of Zionism, that you support an existence of a state of Israel, that you support an existence of a Jewish state. That’s it. Full stop. and has been turned to mean that you are some sort of bombing, murdering, pandering to a political point of view exclusively. So when she says that question, do you think being anti-Zionist is anti-Semitism? Yes, of course. You could even say, like you said, you could be against the current government running Israel. You could totally disagree with everything they’re doing and still be a Zionist. still believe that Zionism is important. Those are not exclusive terms, but they have been deemed that way by initially the radical left, who again, as Will said, would entrap students who were wearing yarmulkes in college campuses because they were outwardly Jewish. And that meant, by the way, pro-Israel, it had to be. And pro-Israel, by the way, is the worst thing you could be, it seems like right now. And then you take that and you extrapolate it to now the conservative right. And it is happening more and more. And those who support the state of Israel’s existence and then those in the Jewish community are more and more isolated. They are more closed in. They are more concerned. And you have moments where they’re running Super Bowl ads about stopping Jewish hate and bullying. And though the message of that ad was not necessarily my favorite, which was essentially, oh, we’ll deal with it together. We’ll deal with bullying as it is. To me, no. I think we ought to be loud about this one. And we have to stand up. And whether you are a Christian who stands up for your Jewish brothers and sisters, or whether you are an atheist who stands up for your Jewish brothers and sisters, or whether you’re, of course, a part of the Jewish community that wants to stand up and make some noise, there’s nothing wrong with that. And I think there are times when it has to happen. It has to happen when it feels like your own friends and family, political groups even, start turning on yourselves.
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Well, and once again, the whole concept of the anti-Zionist not believing that Israel as a country has a right to exist is so bizarre, especially not understanding… I know that this individual doesn’t understand what the political makeup of Israel even is. She’s just been hearing what’s been parroted to her online. But I mean, we watched a video this morning where… A Christian Israeli is the ambassador to Azerbaijan, has the first Christian ambassador representing the state of Israel to a Muslim country. Like, this is not what they are trying to portray Zionism in a Jewish state on X and on the dark corners of the Internet. But even… The way Candace Owens responded to the announcement by Dan Patrick, the chairman of this commission, Carrie didn’t hijack anything. You hosted a performative Zionist hearing meant to neuter the Christian faith. Carrie spoke truth as a Catholic and Christians. The truth cannot be defeated. Zionists are naturally hostile to Catholics because we refuse to bend the knee to revisionist history and support the mass slaughter and the sexual assault of innocent children for occult bail worship. This is a direct quote. Yeah, you didn’t just tag on the bail worship part. When they are talking about Zionists, how can you not see that this is racist, racist, Anti-Semitic? This entire… response is filled with the old tropes and just the absurd to demonize individual human beings.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it feels like it really preys on people who have been waiting for their moment to be able to be outwardly racist because it’s the acceptable form of racism. It’s the acceptable form of hatred. It’s the acceptable form of conspiracy theory. They can’t do it for other groups. They can only do it for this group. And now you’ve given them the pass to go out there and be racist as they want to be. That has to change or else we are gonna be crumbling at the seams here. We have seen this kind of moment unravel communities. Look, I’m happy that there’s free speech and that people can have their different points of view. That should be the case. But when you start talking to the point of where it’s almost laughable, And it’s treated as serious. And then you’re invoking the name of Jesus and you’re invoking the name of Christians. It is why, look, when the whole Christ is King thing came out and people were like, and even myself and others would come to me when I’m like, you know, I think that this is being hijacked by a group that we don’t want to be associated with. the majority of conservative Republicans were like, no, that’s not true. That’s not happening. And I’m sitting there going, well, I’m seeing the major people who are kind of the foundations of this. And it seems like they’re hijacking this to really spew an anti-Semitic message. Now it feels like time has said that that is absolutely what has happened. And by every time they evoke the name of Jesus and they evoke the name of Christ in Christianity, to justify a hatred. Because even this other person on this panel said, well, yeah, it’s just because I believe that the Jews killed Jesus. And therefore, you know, all bets are off. I can’t believe sometimes we live in the culture we live in, but it’s why we have a independent media. It’s why we’re able to come out here and spread the message we’re spreading, which is never based in hatred, racism, bloodline. I can’t believe I have to say this. So keep your eyes open for the people around you and who you’re actually following and listening to and ingesting. And I want to hear from you because I feel like you’re the most important voice to hear. 1-800-684-3110. We’ll be right back. All right, welcome back to Seculo. We’re going to take a lot of calls. A lot of you have called in. I want to hear from you. Some of these are about anti-Semitism, some about the southern border. There’s a whole bevy of different, a myriad of calls, Will, calling in. But let’s go ahead. Let’s take them in the order they came in. So first one, we’re going to talk a bit more about the border. Let’s go to John in Maryland on line one. John, thanks for holding. You’re on the air.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I just want to say I’m a bit naive about what really went on. You know, with the cartel, I always thought of them just in Mexico and they’d come over here or they smuggled drugs over here. And so I watched or listened to a program on a radio station where a guy was the host was a Puerto Rican and he had an ex-gang member on there who had been shot and paralyzed and was in a wheelchair and had died. had found Jesus Christ and he was living his life, you know, with followings of Jesus. And he said that the cartel would come over there and tell the gang members, hey, you’re either going to do this for us or whatever, or you’re going to find your head sitting on a table somewhere. And that’s kind of opened my eyes at just how
SPEAKER 05 :
much influence i have right here in the united states right john they they have their operations in their kind of quasi states within mexico but their operations are they don’t stop at the border they have associates here they have individuals here that are members of cartels that are here and that is also part of the problem with the open borders policy is it’s not just the the strain on the system and where you can have that humanitarian policy discussion. And that’s where many on the left want it to stay. They want it to stay in that because the hearts and minds approach can maybe give their cause more value. But in reality, they’re ignoring what is going on. I have a friend in law enforcement out in a Western state that is specifically on task force that deal with the cartel activity. within their region. And one thing that I was speaking to him later last year that they saw in just the first few months of the president Trump’s second term is the decrease in specific cartel activity, or even the way they change, which things they were trying to make money off of, which types of drugs, knowing that if You know, there was more fentanyl related deaths in the area than they were concerned about what actions the administration would take. They’re making business decisions with American lives and how long they can continue their high profits and stay in business. That is exactly why we need policies like a strong border and rule of law and law enforcement that is empowered to make our community safer. This state isn’t a border state that I’m talking about. That is how far into our country this reaches. And so to John’s point, yes, it is here in America.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we’ve interviewed, I believe you’re talking about Jesse Holguin who’s been on this broadcast before. And yeah, he founded a great organization. Let’s go ahead and continue on, though, because so many of you have called in. We’re going to shift over to Israel. Eva’s calling in California. Watch it on the Salem News Channel. You’re on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi, gentlemen. Thank you so much for your program. My mom’s a supporter. I’m the daughter of survivors. My father lived basically the Schindler’s List story. My mom was a little girl in hiding. We were raised to love everyone, to be tolerant, to be kind. And to let people speak their mind. One of my dad’s best friends happened to be a Syrian Christian. But that being said, there is no moral equivalence at all. And I think what we are missing in this conversation, again, gentlemen, is the reminder of the horrors, the terror, what everyone went through in Israel, not just on 10-7, which was beyond comprehension. I know people who are there. I have family there as well. And we have to remember the terror that they have been under just in the 20th century alone. And not only that, I just want to add, there’s so much that people don’t realize. I have a cousin who happens to be observant. She’s a nurse. She gave a lot of her free time wanting to help the Palestinian, you know, mothers, people in labor. She was out there doing work. We have so many stories. of all the efforts that Israel constantly, constantly were exhausted from how many times they tried to create peace with their neighbors. And the most peace-loving people who were living in those kibbutzim, who were terrorized and murdered and burned alive and had to watch their babies burned, we know what happened. But I think we’re forgetting that part of the conversation. And then the last thing I have to say and remind the audience is is this woman, whoever she is, she and Candace, the two of them are, you know, they’ve gone to the dark side. Because, of course, there is absolutely no, the sickening things they’re saying about Jewish people. And where were they? Where were they rising up for Christians in Nigeria and in Sudan? Millions that have been slaughtered. You know, let’s be honest. And I’m glad they threw her off the commission, but the fact that this is in the national conversation, gentlemen, it’s… I can’t… My mom is still alive. Absolutely. To hear this is… I’ve got to tell you, we’ve got to do something more because those that bless the Jews are blessed. We know. And those that curse the Jews are cursed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Eva, I don’t mean to cut you off. We’re just running low on time. And look, I couldn’t agree with you more. The fact that this is even a conversation we’re having in 2026 is eye-opening and wild. And of course, we can go back to the endless amount of stories where Israelis and even the ACLJs have helped families in the Palestinian regions of Israel, have helped in Gaza, helped in the West Bank. It is nothing new. but we have a very short attention span. People forget that the most recent war in Gaza was started by,
SPEAKER 05 :
a thousand plus israelis being murdered i want to say one thing real quick before we get to another caller because it speaks exactly to that point we are used to at the aclj having to fight this on the left that’s why we defend people on college campuses why we uh professors that are fired for being jewish that’s what is a part of our work here we’re not used to having to fight this on our side in the conservative movement And we’re not going to stop, but this could destroy the conservative movement if we’re having to fight this continually within our movement because it’s racism seeping in and it’s proud of it. It is loudly broadcasting itself and we got to fight back against that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I want to quickly jump to Michael. This will be the last call of the day. I’m sorry, Jan and Ray, we’re not going to be able to get to you today. Michael, Florida, go ahead. You got about a minute.
SPEAKER 02 :
I just want to say a huge thank you to you guys at the ACLJ because you guys, um, speak truth more than you do party. And one of the things that I think is the big scourge right now is the fact that we’re being lied to by so many different aspects. I disagree a little bit with the last caller in the fact that saying Candace has gone to the dark side, Candace, in my belief, has always been there. It’s just been hidden.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Michael, I don’t know about her specifics. Look, I’ve been in the same room. I’ve met Candace Owens. I’ve met Ben Shapiro. I’ve met all of these people. They’ve been nothing but kind to me many years ago. So I can’t say that that’s the truth, but I can see what they’re saying right now. And look, did it probably help that she was employed by someone like the Daily Wire who are not going to allow certain rhetoric to get out there? Yeah, probably did help in that sense. Do highly influential figures get involved in these conversations and help skew the narrative? Absolutely. Gotta pray for these people. And I do. If they’re gonna evoke Christianity, I guess I will too. Pray their eyes are open to true love and to not seeing someone based on the blood that’s running through their body, but, of course, based on the individual and based on the person and based on the beliefs that they hold dear. But this is the situation we have in America right now. We’ll continue the conversation with you over on ACLJ.org. Always be a part of the incredible free content we have there. It’s only free because people like you support the work financially. So I’m going to encourage you to go to ACLJ.org. Become a champion if you can. We will talk to you tomorrow on Sekulow.
