Join us as we delve into the debate between alcohol and marijuana. Our hosts engage in a vibrant dialogue about legality, societal norms, and personal freedoms, exploring the parallels and differences between alcohol consumption and THC usage. This episode also ventures into political territory, questioning the opacity surrounding the Epstein files and political transparency. Expect laughter and candid moments as the story unfolds, revealing the humanity behind the headlines.
He was in a giant… He was in a chair, and he released a little statement with some production, as he said, I’m so sorry to be sitting here tied to this chair, you know, but that’s what enables me to sing and be in good voice. I mean, there are all kinds of people who can stand up, but can’t sing anymore. Ozzy was seated and did that library the great honor that it deserved with his original bandmates for more than 50 years. You know, we missed one yesterday, and this… Malcolm Jamal Warner, Theo from Cosby Show.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, I talked about it on my show. You and I didn’t talk about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and me.
SPEAKER 01 :
He posted, speaking of last messages, he had a video clip of Instagram where he was in his car driving in Atlanta before he and his family went on vacation to Costa Rica where he ultimately drowned evidently. So I hear. Terrible tragedy. But his message, Mark, was, hey, smile. Life is lifin’. Let’s get out there and live. I thought, wow, it was just chilling that this young man in his 50s. What a terrible, terrible tragedy.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he said he just smiled. I don’t know if he’s driving and Instagramming at the same time. Probably shouldn’t do that. But but he said, listen, find a way to make somebody or find a reason to smile, finding every day there is a reason to smile. And if you look real hard at your day and you can’t find a reason to smile, maybe it’s time for you to be somebody else’s reason to smile.
SPEAKER 01 :
It’s like. Did you actually just nag him? Did you actually just nag the late Malcolm Jamal Warner because he was texting and driving? Yes. You are such a Karen. Sorry, sorry. You and this THC stuff. I’ll tell you what, dude. What does it feel like to know that your audience is in mass revolt over you and this THC stuff?
SPEAKER 03 :
The silent majority knows I’m right. Before we leave famous passings. Before we leave famous passings, Malcolm Jamal Warner and Ozzie now has a lot of people looking for, have we ever discussed this? The trifecta. Oh, I know. The concept that people die in threes. This is 1,000% false. It is a concoction. People don’t die in pairs. They don’t die in fives. They don’t die in threes. You can draw a circle around any two, any seven. Actually, trifecta already happened if you count Connie Francis not so long ago. But that’s just a complete… Well, we’ll count three.
SPEAKER 01 :
We’ll count your professional career if you keep going on raging against… adults getting the choice to smoke marijuana if they want to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mike Gallagher thinks that more intoxicants are a good idea in society.
SPEAKER 01 :
Please share with me about that. Well, first of all, let’s agree that you walk through Manhattan right now and you get overwhelmed by the stench of marijuana. It is everywhere. Because now it’s legal in New York and you can smoke it on the street corners. That’s where this is all going. It’s unpleasant. It’s wrong. But for… I’m really intrigued, and I think I’ve evolved on this. I used to be right where you are. Like, we don’t need one more intoxicant. Oh, you’ve evolved, so I’m a Neanderthal. Go ahead. Well, I don’t think you’re a Neanderthal, but I’ll bet you at least had a glass of wine last night.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure did. It’s legal. It’s woven through. Well, not last night. It’s woven through. Alcohol is. People abuse alcohol. I get it. Alcohol exists. Not everybody drinking alcohol is looking to get drunk. Everybody using THC products is looking to get high. So alcohol exists. Another question is, what are we going to do?
SPEAKER 01 :
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let’s unpack that. Everybody wanting to use THC wants to get high?
SPEAKER 03 :
Recreationally. I’ve always put aside the notion of valid medical purposes. We need to find ways to get veterans and suffering people with whatever, what they need in a legal way without these stupid shops that are there to get your teenager high, and that’s it. But please tell me why you think this is good. I’m…
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I mean, your words mean something here, and your verbiage is interesting. So if you have a glass or two of wine, you’re kind of buzzed. You’re not really drunk, but you’re kind of buzzed. If you have one joint or you smoke one pipe, are you… You say, hi, are you incapacitated or are you just a little buzzed like you would be for a glass of wine?
SPEAKER 03 :
Precisely right. So do we need more – so alcohol exists. We stipulate that’s not going anywhere. We tried. That didn’t work.
SPEAKER 01 :
And you practice it, right? Oh, absolutely. You engage. Okay. Wow. Well, no, no. I mean that – I think there’s a point there because I’m a – for example – Here’s the irony. I’m a teetotaler. Like, I don’t drink at all. And so I’m sitting here thinking, if you’re a 50-year-old man and you want to have a marijuana cigarette at night before you go to bed, I got Mark Davis saying, no, no, no, no, you can’t do that. While Mark has a glass of wine with his lovely wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s a bad comparison. Here’s a flawed comparison.
SPEAKER 01 :
Apples to apples.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s the admittedly flawed comparison, but it’s meant to point out the flaw in the logic you’re bringing. Is it possible for someone to be an adult and high-functioning and have a cocaine habit? Of course it is.
SPEAKER 01 :
I’ve known people. Absolutely. You just compared marijuana to cocaine?
SPEAKER 03 :
Not at all. I’ve said three times I wasn’t. But using the let adults do what they want argument, you can’t argue against letting high-functioning cocaine people just do that because, hey, it’s grown-ups doing what they want to do.
SPEAKER 01 :
But the apples to apples issue. your glass of wine and your neighbor’s marijuana cigarette. That’s apples to apples.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly it is.
SPEAKER 01 :
So you want to nag the guy next door to you saying you’re not allowed to have that marijuana because I’m up on my high moral horse here, but I’m going to have as many glasses of wine as I want with my wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Come on, Mark. I don’t want to make it about the person, about the individual user. I want to make it about society in the following way. Alcohol exists. We know that. So is it a good idea or a bad idea to have more intoxicants legal? I say it’s a bad idea. Mike Gallagher says it’s a good idea.
SPEAKER 01 :
And if you were to be consistent, if I’m going to follow the Mark Davis logic, if I’m going to follow the Mark Davis consistency test, you ought to be saying we ought to go back to prohibition. But that’s impossible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s that’s obviously not possible. It’s not going to work. Alcohol is woven through the entire history of humanity. It’s biblical for crying out loud. And it’s not you talk about not being apples and apples.
SPEAKER 01 :
Alcohol is from the ground. Marijuana is from the earth. Yes, it is. Plants. That’s that’s biblical. So it’s Leviticus. Oh, yeah. Sure it is. But I think there’s a pragmatic approach to this, and this is where you and I probably differ, because the pragmatism of me says it’s also impossible to push back against adults who want to have the right to have access to marijuana.
SPEAKER 03 :
What do you mean it’s impossible to push back? You get less of what you make illegal. You get more of what you make legal. You get less of what you make illegal. Having weed illegal, having THC illegal is better for society.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, my heart kind of agrees with you. My head says it’s not realistic. And I think we’re definitely, you’re definitely in the minority on this, Mark. And I’m sort of, I’m somebody who pays close attention to the audience. I’m also really intrigued. I’m listening to the audience about Epstein right now. And I’m listening to the audience about Trump. Is that going away? This is important stuff right now because I’m confused. Help me understand the declaration of an early recess so that they can’t take a vote on releasing the Epstein files. I know. I talked to Anna Polina Luna last week, and she said, look, she’s terrific, and she said, all I’m about is transparency. Yep. All I’m about is transparency. Okay, so wait a minute. So they were facing a vote to release the Epstein files, and Speaker Johnson shut it down? Can you help me understand this, Mark? Make it make sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s time. Their answer would probably be time for the recess. It’s not.
SPEAKER 01 :
They recessed early.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they found a way to get out of town and avoid this vote. And it doesn’t look good. And by the way, when I say it doesn’t look good, I don’t mean, well, that must mean the list does exist and members of Congress are on it. Please don’t give the tinfoil hat people more material. But generally speaking, I obviously completely agree with you on this.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right. What is the, what ostensibly?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what the problem is? Okay. So when we say release stuff. What do we mean? You can’t release everything.
SPEAKER 01 :
We’re going to redact victims, obviously. Right, and redact victims, and there are also parts of this testimony and the grand jury proceedings that have been sealed by the courts, but then release everything else. I mean, are there bad guys?
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you know what’s in there? You know what’s in every file about everybody? If you had one, if I had one, if Joe Blow had one. Accusations made by people that are stone cold false. False accusations maliciously made.
SPEAKER 01 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’re going to release those?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, what’s transparency? How do you define transparency? We both agree that Annapurna is great. And I asked her the question. She said she was very coy about it because she doesn’t want to get on Trump’s bad side. None of us do. But ultimately, and he’s frustrated because look at this Axios piece this morning. There was a big three-part article about how in winning, Trump seems to be losing. And by that, they say, and it’s a fairly balanced perspective. Like it or not, poll after poll after poll after poll shows his popularity among, now only two categories here, admittedly, young people and independents is plummeting. His approval with Republicans is fine. He’s fine with rock-ribbed Republicans. But with independents, which, by the way, we need independents and young people for the midterms, Mark.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is correct.
SPEAKER 01 :
So why is his popularity dropping among independents and young people?
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. And I think, you know, too, it’s because some of those folks, some of those young people in independence aren’t exactly the most literate, plugged into news people in the world. All they hear is a media culture that is berating and slamming him every day, making paying attention to immigration look like evil, making support for Israel look like evil. And a bunch of dunderheads hear that coverage, that drumbeat every day and go, oh, maybe Trump’s not as good as I thought. There’s where you get your polls.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, hello. I lost you. I’m right here. Where’d you go? I’m right here. Where’d you go? I lost you. I am right here. This should be fun.
SPEAKER 01 :
I don’t think it’s my headset.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’m going to stay with this.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is fun. We’re 60 seconds away from being done. Did my thing fall out? This is great. I think I’ve slumped over. Hang on a second. Don’t panic.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m not. We’re going to stay with you. Mike is struggling to put his earpiece back in.
SPEAKER 01 :
My thing fell right out of my head.
SPEAKER 03 :
This could be the best segment ever. How do you not know that something falls out of your ear? Are you back now? Have you lost sensation in your ear? How do you not know your IFB fell out? Have I lost sensation in my ear?
SPEAKER 01 :
That was incredible. It was the clip behind me. They got this thing. You got clipped on the back of your coat for Salem News Channel.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the IFB is in your ear. The thing fell out of your ear.
SPEAKER 01 :
But the part from the back clips in. Oh, I get you.
SPEAKER 03 :
So the thing was still in your ear, but the connection had been broken.
SPEAKER 01 :
The ear didn’t. It was either that or I was having a massive stroke.
SPEAKER 03 :
Would you enable me to finish an eloquent, magnificent, tie a bow around its sentence and then be met with a layout for the ages as you just kind of looked like a deer in the headlights, not reacting at all. I thought, good, is he having a stroke?
SPEAKER 01 :
I know, I know, I know. Now I got the wires hanging out all over the place. I’ll never recreate that. I can’t, I’m done. No, I’m sorry. I’m good, though. I’m not coming home yet. Mama, I’m not coming home yet. I’m still here. I’m still standing. I love you. By the way, one text message that will put a smile on your face from North Texas. Legal THC is a bad idea, and this is not a minority opinion. So there you go. Thank you. Tell your family to stop texting me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, indeed, Uncle Fred, leave Mike alone.
SPEAKER 01 :
Call him at 10 when his show is on. I love you, man.
SPEAKER 03 :
You got it. Love you. Take care. That’s when Mike is there, ready for you, ready for all of us, 10 o’clock, as soon as we wrap up here.
