SPEAKER 01 : 0:00

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. At age 10, Father Andre escaped Christian massacres by living in caves in Mount Lebanon with his family. Today, Father Andre works tirelessly to encourage American leaders to keep God in the public square, defending religious freedom at home and abroad, so that all might live in peace for the glory of God. Founder and president of the Mission of Hope and Mercy, Father Andre has learned the secret to safety, joy, and peace, love God and one another. Now, let us spend 33 minutes on the Lord’s Day, retuning ourselves to the truth of love in the hands of God.

SPEAKER 02 : 0:50

Praise be the most holy name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, now and forever and ever. Amen. Happy and blessed and wonderful, glorious Sunday, the day of the Lord. It is true that every week, Since we started our podcast, Irrevocable, we meet more people who are significantly important and interesting people who lay foundation in their life for ethics, for faith, for hope, for charity, and for true national work. whether in the fields of professional life or their personal character or the way they raise their families at home, the way they treat their neighbors, and the way they engage in their life in a church, in a nation, in private and public sector. Irrevocable as usual brings to you, through the work of the Mission of Hope and Mercy, people who are in the United States hidden or known treasures. Hidden treasures because themselves are treasures in their own personal life. their own children inside their own extended and private particular family amongst their neighbors their friends and their local community public because many of these wonderful guests that we host at irrevocable the podcast hosted by the apostolate of our lady of hope saint rafka mission of hope and mercy and of course in a conversation and reflections facilitated by yours truly, Father Andre Mahana, as a founder of the Mission of Hope and Mercy. We come to the encounter of a people who in a public life, they make an impact. They make an impact in times of good. They make an impact in times of bad. They make an impact in times of good health. And they make an impact in times of bad times, as in sickness, for instance. Even when things become drastic, when they are themselves subject to persecution, to public shame, or to confusion, or to some sort of mysterious attacks that hits them very hard. The very first thing they do in their life, they turn back to God. And they tell him, Lord, here I am. I am your servant. What would you want me to do? We have met amidst our eight episodes that we did for Irrevocable, people like Lara Logan, like Cameron, like Father Pavone, like Father Altman, and now Mary Flynn. Mary Flynn, this beautiful, competent auditor, as a matter of fact, without saying too much about her professional life as an auditor, this is exactly the corner for which we will begin introducing her to our show today, but also is this beautiful lady who soared with eagles in the United States, two brothers who are generals, herself who carried the pain, the suffering, and the financial stability of an entire diocese, the diocese of a province at the time of Bishop Tobit, in very crucial times where financial corruption, where major sexual corruption was hitting the church in the United States since the early 2000s up until the recent days. And then when her own family suffered from certain persecution and it was obvious, she and her brothers turned to God. She and her brothers turned to wonderful and holy clergy, holy priests, sought counseling, sought the advice from God in order for them to do the will of God. And in the end, they proved that they are irrevocable, unbroken. For you cannot break somebody who’s a just, somebody who’s innocent in and out. Somebody who’s righteous in and out. Somebody who is correct in and out. Somebody whose model of life lays in a heart, in a foundation of the Christian truth of Jesus Christ our Lord, who is the truth, the way, and the life. And in the model of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, the mother of the church, the queen of the nations and the world. and of course, St. Joseph and all the saints. For me personally, I like to start before I greet Mary. Haven’t you listened to her in prayer? And I have asked Mary Flynn today as our guest to grace us by praying Psalm 1 in the book of the Holy Bible. So please, my friends, if you have your Bibles handy, And please make sure your hands are clean, your heart is clean. Do small act of contrition. Prepare yourselves and ask the Holy Spirit to come by telling them, O God, come to my assistance. O Lord, make haste to help me. Glory be to the Father, to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen. As I always say on the show, and I want to always repeat it across the waves all over the United States, always tell God, Send forth your spirit and they shall be created and you shall renew the face of the earth. Make sure you remember that verse from the book of Psalm. Mary Flynn, good Holy Sunday morning to you.

SPEAKER 03 : 5:44

Oh, good. Holy Sunday morning. Amen. I love it. That was beautiful, Father. Thank you so much. You did a good job of summarizing me.

SPEAKER 02 : 5:51

You’re a wonderful angel, fighter, mother, and educator, and professional achiever in life. You led a personal family. You led brothers as well. I think you’re a matriarch, if I was to say, in the wonderful term as we see it in Lebanon. A matriarch is the lady that returns bombs away. Yeah. Yeah. And somehow from the dust of she makes bread and bread abounds. And and of course, I see this value in you and I see these virtues in you. I met you a few times. I came to you when I was also under major persecution myself. And it’s not like the persecution left us. But your words of encouragement, when you say that with a smile, oh, father, don’t worry. You know, things are going to be just fine. It really makes people feel that the kingdom of heaven and all its power is with us, surrounding us first with consolation, with strength and power, and then go back to fight. What are we fighting for? But first, please, pray Psalm 1 for our listeners on KNUS, KLZ radio stations as well.

SPEAKER 03 : 7:00

Psalm 1, there are two ways a man may take. They are happy who, putting all their trust in the cross, have plunged into the water of life. From an author of the second century, happy indeed is the man who follows not the counsel of the wicked, nor lingers in the way of sinners, nor sits in the company of scorners, but whose delight is the law of the Lord, and who ponders his law day and night. See how the cross of the Lord stands revealed as the tree of life. He is like a tree that is planted beside the flowing waters that yields its fruits in due season and whose leaves shall never fade. and all that he does shall prosper. Not so are the wicked, not so. See how the cross of the Lord stands revealed as the tree of life. For they, like windowed chafe, shall be driven away by the wind when the wicked are judged. They shall not stand nor find room among those who are just. For the Lord guides the way of the just, but the way of the wicked leads to doom. See how the cross of the Lord stands revealed as the tree of life. Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

SPEAKER 02 : 8:32

Amen. Hallelujah.

SPEAKER 03 : 8:32

You know, Father, I am a cantor. I could have sung this psalm to you.

SPEAKER 02 : 8:38

Oh, really? You’re a cantor.

SPEAKER 03 : 8:39

I’m a cantor for the Catholic Church for 15 years. I trained for 10.

SPEAKER 02 : 8:45

Amen, amen, amen.

SPEAKER 03 : 8:46

So that was just not all there, but just a little bit.

SPEAKER 02 : 8:50

I want to ask you this question. What are we fighting for?

SPEAKER 03 : 8:54

So what are we fighting for? We are fighting for God, God Almighty. That’s what we’re fighting for. We have to bring him to the center of our lives. He is Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. We have got to bring our Almighty back to the center of our lives. He is the creator. He is who gave us what we have. We don’t do anything without… without anything he does for us. So we need to bring God back into this nation, into the world. And then we were supposed to spread this beautiful Christianity, our beautiful nation of God who gave this nation for that purpose. We were supposed to spread that throughout the world. And look what we did, right?

SPEAKER 02 : 9:46

You’re right. This is beautifully said, by the way.

SPEAKER 03 : 9:48

It fell short.

SPEAKER 02 : 9:50

Well, we fell short. I know you in your personal professional life, you have worked in the Diocese of Providence. You have been produced to the Diocese of Providence, basically as a compliance financial auditor, if I’m not mistaken. What was the context? Well, first of all, let’s get you a little gradually. This battle we’re talking about, which is that we are first the objective, we are fighting for God. Two, we would like to bring God back into the center of our life as a nation and into the world. While you work in the church, does the church, based on your own experience, is much aware of that particular battle? And did it help you? Did you see the church, from your own personal experience, fighting to bring back God into the center of our lives?

SPEAKER 03 : 10:37

You know, so we are going to be 250 years old, this country, right? coming in 2026. And really, Father, that’s a very young country. And you know with history that no nation, I mean, the Ottoman didn’t survive after 250. Nations have struggled at this 250 mark. And that’s incredible as it sounds right there. My brother talks about that a lot, about this coming to our 250th birthday and can we survive for the next 250 years which is what I will be praying for and then you know so so really our country has I feel has been a big experiment from the very beginning when the British you know basically lost to our founding you know to George Washington that very famous battle And we, you know, continued our country, our founding fathers, our documents, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, you know, all these beautiful, the Federalist Papers. People should read those. They should read how they discovered that the Lord sent them on a journey to look at all religions all over the world, all different cultures, until they found what they were looking for in this country, and that is bringing them back to God. And so their struggles and their… You know, what they did to to to establish this this country, the way it was established is is biblical. I mean, so but I still believe that the British were never going to let us just, you know, win. So so I believe that, you know, they’re they’re poor losers. and they were going to not lose control. And so I believe that, you know, all this infiltration in this country came back in. I mean, they were never gonna let us, you know, truly be free as we thought we were going to be. And these experiments that have been, they’ve been doing experiments on the American people for a very long time, since the beginning of this country, I believe. Even I talked to my friends about, you know, how the Nazis brought the brought the doctors back into this country and they were still doing experiments. I mean, we’ve been being experimented on secular secularism, on socialism, on communism, on Marxism, on all these things on. you know, health and environmental issues and so forth. So I believe that we really have, and we’ve been manipulated and propagandized. And that’s a big problem because we have lost track of our family unit, our real faith in God. And, and even the church has, uh, you know, let, let the people down, uh, you know, through the years of the Catholic church and the, um, and the Vatican too, and the modernization of things and so forth. So, so we really have been lost since we began to be honest with you. I, I feel you know, it’s been a struggle and it’s only been a certain amount of people who are very faithful, faithful, faithful people that have the true, real love for Christ and God and the Holy Spirit that are going to, that have maintained this American exceptionalism, which is what I call, you know, what we are, what we stand for, what God, that’s that real true freedom that God has given us is this spirit of, you know, our mind and we can speak to the Lord in our minds, no matter what our chains, what the chains are we have around us, you know, so this freedom, you can’t take that freedom away when you can have this relationship with Christ and God and the Holy Spirit inside your head, no matter what kind of beating you’re taking physically, mentally. So So there’s a small amount of people that I still believe, just like this country, it was only 3% that really fought for what we had. So there’s this 3% that I believe is still there, but it’s just a larger 3% because there’s more population.

SPEAKER 02 : 15:16

You are indicating a context of a big battle, it seems. So what you’re saying, the United States being an experiment, so are you saying in the same token, we are not a nation yet, or we are a nation, but we are still a young nation being under experiment, we’re not mature yet. And you’re saying the infiltration comes from the British who never wanted to give us our independence. Are you saying like an infiltration today in the experiments of our social justice, you know, the secularism, as you said, the political worldview, engage in all sorts of isms, I call them, isms, I call them, you know, communism, socialism, secularisms, feminisms, Catholicisms, Protestantisms, Christianisms, there is a lot.

SPEAKER 03 : 16:05

The isms, yes, the isms.

SPEAKER 02 : 16:07

I call them in general. yes this sounds like almost you’re speaking in terms as if you were honestly like a national security advisor because i’m not talking i’m not talking so only on a political level but also in a spiritual level yeah it’s the danger yeah it’s a danger this is a gift so where do you sense the dangers from your own experience again let’s start with providence on where did you sense the danger first and what do you think the remedies are

SPEAKER 03 : 16:36

I sensed it when I was brought in. You know, it’s funny. The Lord has brought me into this. He gave me a gift for tracking money, Father. He gave me a gift to track money. And what he has had, and I’ve done it with United Way. I’ve done it with the very wealthy, wealthy, the Preservation Society, the Vanderbilts. I mean, I worked for all these people. I worked for these very, very wealthy people. And I have this real gift for the snoot of money. I was brought in when I was just recovering from being blind, to be honest with you. I hadn’t been able to see and work for like three years. And one day I was asked by an Irishman, a priest who we had all our lives, all my family, this priest, Father McCarthy, he was our priest, asked me to come and to his office and help him. And so I didn’t know what I was doing. And I went in and he said, money was stolen. And would you finish this audit? And that’s where it led. That’s where it came from. And I said, okay, I was afraid because I hadn’t, I couldn’t see, but I did it. And I did it because the Lord wanted me to, it was just this, these kind of plain things that he would show me and put me, put me in a place where there was no, I couldn’t say no, okay? And it didn’t matter. It didn’t matter if I was afraid or not. I got through it. I mean, I used to say to the Lord, I know I’m procrastinating. I’m putting it off. I’m putting it off because that’s what was happening. I was afraid to go back to work. And he put me back in right smack dab in the middle of criminal activity, okay, at the church, at the church that the Flins grew up at. This is where we went to school.

SPEAKER 02 : 18:35

And we’re talking historical church. We’re talking historical diocese. We’re talking one of the first Irish churches ever built, St. Mary’s Church, right? That’s right. In the United States. You know, in a few minutes, our friends from KNUS radio station, Salem Media, will leave us. Tell us a little bit about the historical value. That’s the Kennedy’s Church, I believe. That’s right. If you tell us about that church.

SPEAKER 03 : 18:58

Yeah, that church was, you know, was… Built in 18, well, it was given ground and given its okay by the French and by the people that brought over the Irish immigrants that were building Fort Adams, which was where Rochambeau fought. It was a very famous battle fought off the British who were coming into the Newport port. that we’re going to take that land, that area of the country. In 1848, they were approved by the people, mostly the French. In fact, Rochambeau and Napoleon Bonaparte, he came to that church. His nephew was married in that church. The documents that I have seen go way back, and that’s what they did. They said to the Irish immigrants… The Irish said, we want a place to worship. We need to build a church. And they said, okay, take the brownstone and go build your church. And that’s why that church is so famous. And all these very famous people were in and out of that church. And so JFK, John F. Kennedy, it is a national registered monument. It is on the register. It is a preserved church. historical uh preserve okay but jfk was married there to jacqueline onassis uh they lived in the hammersmith farm in newport beautiful piece of estate uh that was where they summered and jfk had his own you know pew he came to sunday mass every every sunday with his family and and they call it the camelot church uh they still do a camelot presentation at that church uh every week

SPEAKER 02 : 20:45

See, that’s why I wanted the people to listen to you because your contribution to your work in your diocese and province at that time comes from also a personal pride. You know the value of the history of your church. You know what it meant for the Irish community. You know what it meant for the Catholic church. You know what it meant for the nation altogether and for the history of our nation. I believe this is a monument, right? This is like a landmark in the United States, St. Mary’s Church in Providence.

SPEAKER 03 : 21:14

Yes. Yes, it is. It really is. It’s a landmark because here’s a piece of history. And you may know this father that when the Catholic community, you know, so the Protestants, you know, they’re all looking for new land, a new land, a new place to run to. Right. And so they, they discover this, this North America and the Protestants came in and, um, In Europe, in Ireland and so forth, the Catholics were called the fit-in. Have you ever heard the saying, fit-in Catholics?

SPEAKER 02 : 21:48

Correct.

SPEAKER 03 : 21:49

Yes, this is a big part of history, and I think this is one of the reasons why the Catholics in this country didn’t have that… that strong presence when we first came to this country. The Protestants had a very strong presence. You know, we have, in fact, in Newport, Martin Luther, all these Protestant churches, really, literally, St. Mary’s, if you looked at St. Mary’s, all surrounding St. Mary’s, the Trinity Church, which is Protestant, Episcopal, all these Episcopal Protestant churches are all over the place. And this St. Mary’s is smack dab right in the middle of all these Protestant churches. And one of the problems that the Catholics didn’t, you know, they wanted to fit in. They were afraid of being, you know, just made fun of. I think that’s probably the best way to say it. So they were told, let’s just not make a big stink about who we are. Let’s just be quiet and fit in. And that’s what they did. They fit in. And it wasn’t until the Irish, okay, and then, of course, the Italians as well, they were very mouthy and very, you know, I want my own church kind of thing and we want our place to worship. And, and they were the ones that didn’t want it. They didn’t just fit in. They, they wanted to build their own communities. And that’s why Newport has this huge Irish community. Uh, several churches are Irish churches in Newport. So these fit in Catholics, I find funny because it’s very sad. Um, that we have to be called fit-ins because that’s not good. That’s not a good thing.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:28

You’re right. In the human language, we have to work on our anthropological differences, but it seems in a plan of heaven, Our Lady always succeeds to be amidst her children, and her children are not only the Catholics, the Protestants, Evangelicals, and everybody with the time they will understand you know about a week ago charlie kirk uh one of the i know speakers said mary solves the problems of the protestant church of christianity especially in the context of feminism as well and we’re back to these isms so the virgin mary based on your description it seems uh You have told us what the prophecy of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, when he said a time will come that bishops and clergy will no longer be able to save the church. You, the laity, the people, you have to save the church. You have to carry the church forward. It seems from your description that we are in such times. Yes. Does this mean, you know, now we have a new Pope, we have a new Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV. and I know you work closely with the Vatican, historically speaking at least. You saw his reaction to what happened in Gaza, to what happened to the Church of the Holy Family. You saw the beautiful attitude of Cardinal Pizzaballa, the Cardinal in Gaza in the Holy and how walking amidst the rubbles of the places the church of the holy rosary which students actually in lebanon we as a mission of hope and mercy we support we support their boy scout association and girl scout association and they they do a lot of help you saw him how he’s gathering the children and walking amongst the rebels and he’s celebrating the church you know today yesterday he was celebrating the mass at the time of the recording of this show so one day ago he was celebrating the mass at holy family church in gaza And then he got in the homily to state evil exists and evil has a big power. And all of a sudden, a bomb sounded right outside the church again yesterday. So and then he pointed out and the priest was with him and they looked at each other and said, but we’re here. We’re here despite the evil, right? What is the action plan that we as Christians, as Catholics, as American citizens, now with President Trump, with Pope Leo being in office, with bishops probably coming more to a courageous stand, what is the right attitude? What is the right acts that we need to do, you think, in order to solve these issues and to face the real battle, which did not come yet? It is on its way.

SPEAKER 03 : 26:04

Well, for the United States in particular, the people need to understand that the institution of the religion and the operation of the Catholic Church is corrupt. They need to understand that. I did my theses on this. This is what I did. I took and rebuilt and redesigned how the church should work. So I did a big study on this, and I did my thesis on this. And it is Father Ratzinger who said in 1969 that the church would be in a catacomb and that it would have to get poor before it would be healed. Um, and so the, the church, uh, in the United States, the US bishops, they need to, if one person steals, then the whole place needs to shut down. That’s my auditor kind of mentality. Okay. That means everything needs to be looked at. Everything needs to be stopped. So every, so one person, one, one thief, one kind of corruption that shuts down everything. Okay. That means everything stops until everything’s clean. So the U.S. bishops are denying the kind of corruption that’s been going on. I know this firsthand because I testified in a grand jury against the Catholic charity and how the Catholic charity ran its money and the Catholic charity was trafficking children through the government and also Lutheran Social Services and the Jewish Foundation, those three NGOs. So I have firsthand experience in that. So it’s the money. People need to stop giving to these Catholic charity, these national collections, Peter’s Pence, these things need to stop. The church needs to take care of its people and the people need to pay for their little churches and make sure that they’re taken care of because this whole system needs to really, really be revamped as far as the institution as the Catholic Church is an institution. And I believe that the prophecy of Father Ressinger is going to happen. It’s already happening as far as the church needs to humble itself and become poor first because it’s been about money.

SPEAKER 02 : 28:31

Well, when Pope Benedict predicted this, you know, one time in 2010, I believe, I was in Rome doing my studies in science of liturgy. So you don’t believe it or not, I am a liturgist. I graduated from St. Anselmo, which is the Benedictine University for sacred liturgy, La Censa Liturgica, I studied. So I studied all the texts of the Mass. yeah all the seasons of the church i studied every prayer every form of a prayer from the christian cult based on the sacrament of the mass and then the silence and then the paralytical celebrations the liturgies of the hours and then the decisions the exercises of piety and then we studied the protestant and the evangelical and the luther and the western and the eastern tradition of prayers and all the textbooks put together every time we have to go to manuscripts literally to huge manuscripts in libraries underground like really in beautiful cool areas because you are so much in lower levels it was so privileged to come and to be in touch with the treasure of the prayer of the church it’s amazing and i want to salute you and i want to apologize i want to apologize because i am hurt when you say the priest did not perform the priest during COVID would take a break and would say, I am on vacation and I’m in a nursing home. I do remember, however, how Pope Francis was highlighting, rightfully so at the time, the current of Catholic priests in Italy who went to the hospitals regularly to continue providing the communion to the sick, the last rites to the sick. And unfortunately, many of the priests died. Pope Benedict states that we live today in a church post-Christendom. The church is no longer at a time where the nations are Christians, where the kings and the queens and the princes died. are governing the world according to the christian rules many of the nations already have rejected the christian rules look at what mary flynn is telling us today the earliest monument for an irish church in the state of providence saint mary’s church when it was founded the settlements of these people was actually a religious settlement mary spoke to us and she told us that in a foundation of the united states the type of suffering the type of pain that our founding fathers were faced with and have challenged at the same time, ended up producing the Bill of Rights in the United States, the Constitution of the United States. And remember that in the Constitution, at the last Riga, in the last statement in the Constitution, the fathers of the United States stated clearly what Mary said, the biblical foundation of this nation, of the United States of America. Mary and I, we call it, this nation has a meaning in God’s plan, a spiritual destiny that we must reach it as a government, as President Trump or whoever comes after him and whoever was before him. They will be judged in accordance to how much Did they work to clarify, to manifest to the world the spiritual strength of America or how much they manipulated that strength? And unfortunately, they must have manipulated this nation and the people of the U.S. by causing a lot of harm to us. at home, and to many people abroad, including in religious persecution. Go back to the Constitution and see when the fathers signed the Constitution, how they say it was by divine providence and our own hands, divine providence and our own hands that we came up to this beautiful, book this beautiful declaration that they basically sent out and they manifested and they shared and announced to the whole world the creation of a nation the united states of america

SPEAKER 01 : 32:23

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