In this eye-opening episode of Sekulow, host Logan Sekulow and his team unravel the latest developments in the FBI conspiracy probe. Featuring exclusive insights from John Solomon at Just the News, we explore the intricate details behind newly uncovered evidence dating back to major political events from 2016 onward. Special appearances by experts like Mike Pompeo add depth to discussions on potential biases within the Department of Justice and broader implications for U.S. electoral integrity.
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new major evidence secured in the fbi conspiracy probe keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is seculo we want to hear from you share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110 And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. Let’s open up them phone lines. Let’s do that right now. There they are. 1-800-684-3110. No, again, not a rerun. There is more evidence. There’s new stuff breaking. We’re coming in hot today with a lot of breaking news and a just… jam-packed show. Will Haynes is joining me in studio as always, but we’ve got John Solomon from Just the News coming up next, followed by Mike Pompeo, followed by Rick Grinnell. So you’re going to want to stay tuned. It is going to be packed with experts. You’re not going to want to miss this. Of course, a lot of you are just joining us right now to discuss what these documents are. What is this moment? What is this new evidence? And of course, this also does come up from a report from our friends at Just the News. So we’re going to break that down coming up in the next segment with John Solomon. But Will, give us a brief.
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That’s right. So yesterday we talked about the reporting from John Solomon at Just the News that there was this grand conspiracy investigation that’s going on at the FBI looking all the way back to to 2016 and 2015 really when the russia gate hoax kind of started as well as the investigation into hillary clinton’s email server and issues surrounding that and that they’re looking in to see if this is a grand conspiracy by former doj and intel community conspiracy a technical term are you just saying that’s how he categorized it and put it in quotes so i feel like that is what the source was telling him it’s a very national treasure it’s a grand conspiracy But they’re saying that this is a, you know, a multi-year, almost a decade long conspiracy by members within the DOJ, the Intel community and others in the deep state to influence elections and get favorable outcomes for their preferred candidates, namely Democrats in this case and against President Trump. Today, we’re learning. that a big key part of that could be the evidence that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino found in the FBI headquarters that was in what they’re describing as almost like a vault or a lockbox. There was evidence related to things like Russiagate that was hidden even from internal FBI servers.
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This is National Treasure Tile stuff. Right. They’re looking through Mission Impossible. They find a lockbox. I got to bust it open. They open up this lockbox. What’s in it? Steel dossier.
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All the dossier.
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It’s actually made of steel.
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Right. That was the thing that changed there is that steel dossier wasn’t referring to Christopher Steele. It was referring to the box that hold it, which actually tells us whole big grand conspiracy.
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So, all right. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684. Again, we’re going to break down a lot today because we do have John Solomon in the next segment. We’ve got Mike Pompeo following that. And then later in the broadcast, we have Rick Grinnell. We also have a funny bit we’ll talk about with Mike Pompeo where it seems like the tone that may have changed from President Trump to his feelings in Ukraine. And look, we’ve been talking about this. We talked about it with Mike Pompeo earlier this week saying, you know, it felt like President Trump’s coming around to being a little bit more supportive of this war in Ukraine. What’s happening here? Well, maybe like a lot of smart people, he listens to his wife. And what happened? We’ll play some of that clip a little bit later. Again, phone lines are open for you as we celebrate our 35 years of Justice Drive. These are big moments, everybody. If you want us to be here for you, not just in the law, by the way, a lot of you watch us for your news. A lot of you watch us for the media side. I want you to give today. Understand that’s really important. Because, you know, I’ll be honest, Will and I are consistently in conversations with our team and we want to make sure we can keep you informed and that this just doesn’t only become an infomercial where we’re out there promoting and saying, please give us money for our work. We know so many of you tune into this show as your daily news or as your daily media source. And we appreciate that. And I know that. I look at the numbers. Millions of you join us each and every week. So if just a few million of you could just chip in a little bit right now during our 35 years of Justice Drive. ACLJ.org slash 35. Have your donation made today. And look, if it’s made today, I’ll make sure it is allocated in the sense of saying this is for this media. This is for this show because we know how important it is that we are here for you. Phone lines, like I said, are open because we’re going to hear from former secretaries of state, former ambassadors, so many different leaders, top newsmen. The most important voice is always yours. So give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. That’s 1-800-684-3110. Right back with John Solomon from Just the News. Welcome back to Seculo. Like I said, we’ve got a jam-packed show and we’re going to jump straight to John Solomon from Just the News. John, yesterday we were reporting on your report because you had an exclusive breakdown of what was going on with this potential investigation coming from the FBI that could really kind of blow the doors down, it feels like, according to your sources, for a lot longer. of issues that could all be tied together in this sort of grand conspiracy as being said and of course even more has come out today uh from your site including uh this maybe lot box or this uh safe that was found that may even have more incriminating documents uh john i’ll let you take it from here and let us know what’s going on
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Yeah, look, I think this is a really big deal. The FBI opened up about three months ago what they call a grand conspiracy case, which looks at the last 10 years of weaponization as one ongoing criminal conspiracy. And it’s sort of a wash, rinse and repeat cycle. Democrat has a criminal or political problem. Hillary Clinton with emails, Hunter Biden with corruption emails. Joe Biden with classified documents. They get magically cleared, even though there’s evidence suggesting they shouldn’t be cleared. And then they project a similar problem on the Republican candidate, Donald Trump, for Russia collusion, which never existed. Donald Trump for Ukraine and interfering in Ukraine relations when there was a good reason to ask for an investigation. Donald Trump for documents at Mar-a-Lago after Joe Biden had this problem. You weaponize the judicial intelligence system against one party and you use it to protect the other party. That would be an ongoing criminal conspiracy. It allows prosecutors to go back and charge crimes that occurred in 16, 17 and 18. And more significantly, you wouldn’t have to necessarily bring this case in Washington, D.C., where a 90 percent Democratic candidate. jury poll doesn’t seem to have any interest in holding Democrats accountable. You could put it in a place like Florida, where Donald Trump’s home was raided by Jack Smith, who, as the court ultimately ruled, was improperly appointed. He wasn’t even a legitimate special counsel. And you can make that one of the overt acts, put the grand jury in Florida, where you have a much more centrist audience and perhaps get a fair hearing of this evidence. So that’s the excitement. I think the FBI has done its part. It opened the predicated case. It’s now up to Pam Bonney to assign a prosecutor and also to decide whether it would be better to do a special counsel since they would be investigating matters that their boss, Donald Trump, was a victim for. It would give a sense of credibility to maybe do special prosecutor and get that ball rolling.
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When you look at also this new revelation related to potentially the FBI having almost their own compartmentalized department for things related to things like Russiagate that wasn’t even really accessible to the FBI writ large that Kash Patel has talked about, as well as Dan Bongino has talked about this. You look at this and it seems to, at least in the public narrative, paint this picture that could seem like there was a conspiracy within the DOJ and the FBI to pull this off, and also that they didn’t want this information readily available to those that conduct oversight. What are you hearing out of Congress as these revelations come forward for those that are supposed to be doing oversight of these agencies that were being hidden things that they have the right to?
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Yeah, that’s a great point. I had Senator Ron Johnson on. He and Senator Grassley were one of the early investigators of the Russia collusion caper. As it turned out to be a completely bogus investigation, they got us the early text messages between Pete Strzok and Lisa Page, the lovebirds. He said yesterday, listen, I always thought there was a criminal effort to keep us in the dark, and I think we’re beginning to see proof of it. And I think this discovery of this documents room where super sensitive stuff was, according to Kash Patel, kept away from Congress, kept from the American public, stored in a room. And when Kash Patel finds those documents, it’s right around the same time he opens up the conspiracy case. What does that tell you? What he read in that room made him think that this wasn’t just incompetence. It wasn’t just political meddling in election, that there was some criminal conspiracy. So he opens up the broader case. And now Attorney General Pam Bondi has an opportunity to do something, I think, quite historic.
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Well, and this is something that we’ve had you on this broadcast for years about these issues. As your reporting has followed things within the Russia collusion scandal and the hoax that followed from that and other issues, you’ve been on top of this. You’ve had great sources at Just the News throughout the years on this. But this… I think there’s some concern in the conservative base at this point when these cases we start to finally get a taste of accountability for those that it’s not like it was a secret to all of us that have followed it and you that have reported that this this whole scheme existed. They clearly were moving in this way and all the public evidence seemed to point towards that. But there seems to be almost fatigue within the political base when it comes to announcing these big things or doing this big work if you can’t get it across the finish line. What are your thoughts and what are you hearing about if it is something that is able to be turned over to a grand jury, if that’s something they believe that they can take this case across the finish line?
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Yeah, listen, I think you’ve identified a problem. Even the most fervent supporters of President Trump, the fervent supporters of returning to law and order, ending weaponization, they’ve been tired by the process because they got John Durham. John Durham brought some prosecutions and a D.C. jury vindicated people who probably engaged in wrongdoing. So the frustration from that experience, the frustration that occurred in the sort of mishandling of the rollout of the Jeffrey Epstein documents, it creates some distrust in the base. Everybody who heard about this story on Monday got excited about it. Even grizzled old Russiagate investigators saying, hey, this is a good idea. And I think the difference here is that you’re not going to have to face a D.C. jury where your pool is 90 percent tainted in one direction, leaning in one direction for Democrats. That was John Durham’s problem and Bill Barr’s problem and maybe impaneling that grand jury in that city. and making that the venue. In this case, with Jack Smith’s activities in Florida, you can move it to a more centrist state, a state where you have common sense people outside the beltway looking at this, not looking for political excuses not to do something, but just looking at the evidence fairly. You probably can get it. You also rewind the statute of limitations, one of the biggest concerns of the base. We let all these crimes expire, and that’s true, except when you do a conspiracy case. So there’s a lot there. There are two pieces of evidence that Donald Trump would have to declassify. They’re not FBI or DOJ antiquities. They belong to the CIA, the NSA, and other sensitive agencies. But I want to tell you what they are because they’re the ignition point for that wash rinse repeat cycle that I just laid out before. The first is a classified annex to the Justice Department Inspector General’s review of the FBI’s mishandling of the Hillary Clinton email case. That was the first scandal that started this. James Comey walks out and clears her and he has no legal authority to clear, but he does it. But what we now know from a description of that classified annex from Senator Chuck Grassley is that that annex includes proof that the FBI, just before it cleared Hillary Clinton, had gotten brand new secret intelligence suggesting there was criminality involved. And the FBI chose not to investigate. They turned a blind eye and just waved a magic wand and exonerated her. Getting that declassified, whatever that is, an intercept from the NSA or a human from CIA, going to be very important so that it can be presented to a grand jury. If it remains classified, you can’t give it to the grand jury. The second piece is around the same time, about a month or two later. So that intelligence comes in in May, and then Hillary Clinton on July 5th, 2016 is exonerated. Then that same day, July 5th, 2016, Christopher Steele walks his dossier into the FBI and In mid-July, the intelligence committee intercepted something else. Intelligence showing that Hillary Clinton had personally approved a plan to concoct a Russia collusion scandal against Trump. Not a real one, a fake one, and put it into the system. After getting that intelligence, after John Brennan even briefed the president, FBI opens up on that very allegation and that very evidence, almost jaw-droppingly. the president would have to declassify that intelligence as well. Those two things being declassified would give a running start to a grand jury. It could be done in about a year. I think they could wrap up all the work in a year.
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John, we only got about a minute left. I just want to give you an opportunity. There’s a lot of people watching right now. There’s a lot of great comments coming in saying, I need to be following just the news. I need to be following what you’re doing. What’s the best way for people to do that? And of course, I’m sure as you have been uncovering a lot of this and your team has been, that this story is not going anywhere from your team.
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Yeah, it’s not. We’ve got a whole team on it. My Jerry Dunleavy, Steve Richards, myself, just the news.com. My social media is Jay Solomon reports on all platforms. And I have the just the news, no noise television show on real America’s voice every night at six o’clock. Those are our best points of contact.
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Awesome. Thank you, Joe. John, it’s always great to have you on. Again, it’s always good to have people in the news who you can trust, have good sources. And John’s always one of those. When we’re looking at what we’re going to cover for the day, Just the News is one of the first places we go to to make sure that if something’s breaking, he’s got some really interesting content. I mean, this was broken by his team. It always does great stuff. And we have a packed show coming up. So I want to make sure you stay tuned. Because like I said, today, I really want to encourage you, if you like this show, and there’s so many of you watching right now, if you’ve never seen us before, which I know about half of you maybe haven’t, Hit that subscribe button if you’re watching on YouTube or you’re watching on Rumble. Join us each and every day, Monday through Friday, 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern Time. We’ll catch us later on. You can watch the re-air. Most people do watch it not live, but I encourage you to be part of the conversation live. You get to get chat. You can call in. Do that. Join us each and every day. If you’ve never done that before, hit that subscribe button. If you have been a longtime viewer and supporter, know that this show… And the ACLJ in general is not funded by major sponsors or even by major donors. It’s individual people like you that can give at one time or can give on a monthly basis. And during these special months like today, during our 35 years of Justice Drive, all donations are doubled. So if you give $10, it becomes effectively $20 because it unlocks another $10 pledge. I’m going to ask you to do that today in honor of this show, in honor of the media we provide to you each and every day. Let’s have a big day, a big day to support what we’re doing here. Of course, tax deductible. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. Mike Pompeo is joining us right now, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs and, of course, a former secretary. So many things. We’ve had him on every week for so many years now. It’s just great to always have Secretary Pompeo. Of course, we are discussing still what’s going on with the ongoing situation with Russia. in ukraine and you think after a few years we wouldn’t be having to talk about it but unfortunately we still are but there’s been a lot of movement and we discussed this with you will why don’t you take the first question here and i want to follow up with you secretary pompeo because we talked yesterday about what are the motives what what’s maybe changed president trump’s mind somewhat we may have some answers to that we may have a peek behind the curtain if you will
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That’s right. Yes. As we were talking with you on air, you didn’t really have time to look at it. We didn’t really have time to look at it because it was kind of unfolding in real time. And so we got initial first blush reactions. But now that we’ve had some time, we’ve also seen that the Russia has said that the ceasefire ultimatum is unacceptable and the tariff threat. And I just kind of wanted to get your thought with their response. And now that you’ve had some time to reflect on what is unfolding with this new pressure from the president on the Russians.
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Well, you’re right. We were we were talking the immediate aftermath of the president’s press conference yesterday. And now, 24 hours later, we’ve seen the Russians respond. It’s not surprising what they said. They said, look, this is unacceptable. We will never do anything in response to this. That is, we’re not going to kowtow to the United States. But the reality is that President Putin will be left with a incredibly difficult set of decisions. he can now see that the Ukrainians are going to be able to defend themselves. That is, Ukrainian civilians are going to die less frequently as a result of the weapons systems that will now be moved into Ukraine. That’s going to happen. Second, President Trump has now said, we’re going to strangle the Russian energy economy. They’ve been selling, the Russians have been selling crude oil. President Biden allowed them to do this for Two and a half years during the war to the Indians. So these are American allies. And President Trump has said, we’re not going to do that. We’re going to put a massive tariff on. We’re going to shut down the Russian engine for its economy. That’s what funds this war. And so Putin will be ultimately faced with a very difficult decision. Do I press my luck? And do I challenge President Trump thinking he’ll back down or do I recognize that this is not a guy who backs down? The Iranian regime learned that Assad in Syria, who’s now gone, has learned that they can all see that President Trump is a serious man when he is protecting American interests. And so we will see in the coming days and weeks if the Russians position doesn’t soften and they don’t begin to understand that they now are facing a really different leader in the United States than they have been for the first couple of three years of their war of aggression.
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Absolutely, Secretary Pompeo. Hey, I want to tell you all, phone lines are open. We’d love to hear from you in the next segment. So give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. Before I ask you your next question, though, Secretary Pompeo, we had that conversation. It seems like President Trump’s mind’s changed. What happened here? What is sort of the change in direction that came from dealing with thinking, you know, this could be something that could be settled very quickly to all of a sudden really calling out Vladimir Putin for what he is? And again, yesterday we were able to see, or was this? Yeah, it was yesterday. A little bit of peek behind the curtain. as President Trump had a conversation with his wife, with Melania, the first lady. And of course, this is a bit humorous, but it also is a bit eye-opening to really what we’re dealing with here. Because you have President Trump, who is that sort of ultimate businessman, goes in, like you said, negotiates, and maybe will take some people by their word, but learned pretty swiftly, once again, that Vladimir Putin is not one of those guys. Let’s hear from President Trump.
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I’d get home, I’d say, First Lady, I had the most wonderful talk with Vladimir. I think we’re finished. And then I’ll turn on the television or she’ll say to me one time, well, that’s strange because they just bombed a nursing home. I said, what? So.
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So, of course, you know, that’s a humorous little aside, but it’s just it’s true. It’s what happens is clearly is President Trump is having these what he thinks are what he thought were productive meetings and conversations with Vladimir Putin. And immediately. And look, I think we saw this in Iran and Israel. We’ve seen this so many times over, which is people who you’re dealing with. This is not your normal business discussions, even in a world stage. Like you said, this is a convincing guy who can lie to your face without a problem.
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Yes, no doubt about that. He is clever. He can look you straight in the eye and evince enormous credibility. Three things that come to mind. First, we all talk to our wives. That sounded very heartfelt to me. Second, I think President Trump is someone who genuinely wants to assume the best about people. He he wanted to believe that he would come into office and President Putin would see that this wasn’t something that was going to be productive for him and that the cost would exceed the benefits. And to date, that hasn’t been true. And so President Trump gave him all the leash to run out. And he’s now run that leash out. And I think the line is about to be reeled back in on Putin. And the final thought is this. The combination of economic power and the willingness to sell these weapons to NATO so that they can provide defensive systems to Ukraine is sets the conditions for an opportunity for Putin to reconsider, right? This actually resets the leverage cycle. Make no mistake about it, in my view, if Putin doesn’t come to heel, if he doesn’t see that a ceasefire is in his best interest as a result of these actions, there’ll be more. President Trump is determined to bring peace, to get the guns to go quiet, and he will continue to ratchet up the costs on Vladimir Putin. Whether Putin believes that or not today, I don’t know. I believe he’ll come to see it if he doesn’t see his way towards bringing peace to the region.
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We’ve only got about a minute left in this segment, Mr. Secretary. But one thing I also wanted to bring up was that we’ve seen what President Trump’s been willing to do in this this second term. And we know that when he gives a red line or gives you a deadline, he actually means that opposed to we’ve heard red lines before from presidents, whether it be President Obama with Syria. The red line meant nothing. President Biden told world leaders very passionately, don’t. And that was supposed to be a red line. Don’t do something or else there’ll be consequences. But if even the Iranian situation where he gave a 60-day deadline, 61st day, Israel started bombing. Not saying that we would necessarily use kinetic power on our own, the United States, but he has now set a red line. He’s given 50 days. discussion?
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Well, look, we all need to be mindful. Vladimir Putin still, in spite of the failures in Ukraine, still has a nuclear weapons system capable force. So we ought not we ought not forget that. And that’s different from some of these other adversaries. But I would I would argue that President Trump isn’t different. His determination to bring peace to the region, to stop the aggression from Vladimir Putin is the very same determination that deterred Vladimir Putin for four years and where he didn’t roll into Europe. This is so fundamentally different. And so I think the pressure will continue to mount. I don’t think it’ll be U.S. kinetic in the same way it was in Iran, but there are still many tools in the toolkit that President Trump has available. And I’m confident he’ll bring them to bear to deliver on the promises he made to the American people to end this war.
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Secretary Pompeo, thank you so much for joining us. And again, like I said, if you like this broadcast, if you like the analysis we’re able to bring you, I mean, we’ve got a packed show today with Secretary Pompeo, John Solomon later on, Rick Grinnell, of course, Will, myself and you guys who are all on hold. Two lines open, by the way, 1-800-684-3110. We can’t do this show without you. We’re not funded by major sponsors, which is, by the way, great. We’re beholden to no one. We are only beholden to you, the audience. And of course, like I said, to our listenership, but there’s no one telling us what we can or cannot say here. That is true independent media. And that doesn’t exist without you. So today, during this 35 years of Justice Drive, I want you to think about the 25 years we’ve been on the air, but what this could look like moving forward. As we know that our numbers, just in the last 90 days, heck, even in the last 30 days, have gained millions and millions of new eyeballs. New people who are watching this show, who are being exposed to the truth. And it doesn’t happen without you. Because we can’t put on such a high-quality production without each and every one of you. So I encourage you today, if you’ve been enjoying this show, give a little bit if you can. Go to aclj.org slash 35. Or just go to aclj.org. Make a donation today. Let’s do it. Be a part of this conversation. Second half hour coming right up.
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Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever. This is Seculo. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Well, and to your point also, Logan, about our commitment to being independent, to being available and accessible to everyone and not behind a paywall, that is a reason why we broadcast live, not just on YouTube, not just on Rumble, but we are on X. We’re on Facebook. We’re on Salem News Channel. Yeah. We’re on some smaller networks that pick up the show because we have a commitment to getting it out there in as many places as possible. You could strategize to have a better YouTube base and better audience, but instead we’ve made that choice. We want people to see this content, to hear this content. without being behind a paywall because what we bring you the truth we bring you the cases we fight it’s important and it’s important you know this and have be armed with the arguments when you go out into the world into your workplace to know how to talk about these issues and know the facts and and trust that they’re coming from a trusted source i love you’re asking questions about the topic of the day i know some of you are just joining us right now we only got a minute in this segment i want to very quickly actually take a call david you’ve been a hold for a long time so i want to go ahead and take you david go ahead
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Yes, thank you.
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My question is two-part, actually. One is, with the Democrats, if there was really a scheme with what Kash Patel says, Democrats did a really bad job in 2016 and 2024 propping up their candidates. So, you know, Hillary Clinton lost. Joe Biden, in fact, they ran him. Well, they lost, right? And then my other question is this. Do Republicans with the DOJ have some
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uh degree of problems with that too just because of um you know they did take over in 2017 and um i am only cutting you off because we are legitimately running out of time i thought that was going to be a little bit quicker when we get back from the break i will make sure we cover your question in in its entirety so we have it saved so thank you for calling david but again we’re going to run out of time do this but will this is one of the stories real quick we have 20 seconds left uh there is news coming out and if you haven’t seen you should check out our friend john solomon’s just the news report uh because right now there are so much so many updates coming in but we will be back in just a moment here and we’ll be back with rick grinnell and we’re going to answer david’s question if you’re on hold stay on hold as well we’re going to get to you coming up at 1-800-684-3110 if you want to keep david on hold you can we’ll be right back Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Rick Grinnell is joining us. I did want to quickly answer a caller that came in earlier. David was asking specifically about will this what seems to be potential or not potential cover up that was going on. Rick, I know he’s got a lot to say about that as well, but you want to give him a quick answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So David asked one basically was saying if Democrats were involved in the cover up of what seemed to be an elaborate conspiracy starting back in 2015 all the way to today that we know that based off John Solomon’s reporting that the FBI is now investigating this as a grand conspiracy with the likes of Comey and John Brennan. If they did participate in this cover up, they did a horrible job because they selected poor candidates. Agree with you there, David. But that also maybe is why they needed an elaborate conspiracy to try and get them to win. But the second part is that he asked if the Trump officials in 2017 were also involved potentially in some sort of grand conspiracy. Here’s what I would say about that. Because we’ve lived this for a long time. The big early mistakes, and Comey even admitted he capitalized on the incoming green team that was coming in from President Trump. That’s why he sent spies in to spy on General Flynn. It’s why he leaked to try and get a special counsel. Because he knew he could manipulate the system. So one of the big… unforced errors i think in in when we look back on history is attorney general sessions recusing himself early on a lot of people were scared because comey was coming very aggressively with this russiagate hoax and what we saw was the attorney general said i’m going to recuse myself from this and then it then after comey’s leak it triggered a special counsel So that would not have been the Trump team that had anything to do with the Russiagate hoax in that way. So I hope that answers your question, David.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think it does, David. Thank you for calling. Again, phone lines are open. Rick Grinnell’s joining us right now. Rick, well, I mean, kind of connected. You put out a post on X that said, one thing I know for sure, Pam Bondi and Kash Patel would never cover up a crime. Never. It’s absurd to think they would. Of course, not necessarily directly involved with this, but hey, I figured that was a good connective tissue here from that caller. I want to get your thoughts on all that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, look, I think the point stands is that I know Pam and I know Cash, and they would never cover up anything. We’re dealing with the Biden administration and all of their cover-ups and their lack of transparency and their political game playing, and we’re having to deal with that. And I think that the team that’s in place right now is trying to make sure that we go back and really prosecute the people who started all of this chaos in Washington DC by making individuals not accountable. I mean, we know I was DNI and I unearthed a whole bunch of information and declassified other information. And what we tried to do is be very transparent to show that the crowd that was going after President Trump in the very beginning in 2017, and really the end of 2016, that crowd needs to be prosecuted uh they used in intelligence and they manipulated the entire process and so i like having accountability i like going after uh the individuals who i i would say really ruined the trust that many people had in government uh we now can’t trust government agencies in a way that we might have trusted them in the past. But when they go after the president of the United States, they make up information about him. They try to call him a Russian asset. And they did it in a way that they abused the courts. They abused intelligence. And, you know, we’ve known this. And the media is the last group to come around to recognize it. But I want those people to be held to account.
SPEAKER 03 :
Rick, often you say you like it if we take calls when you’re on or get messages from the audience. But this is from one of our folks on Rumble that I wanted to bring up to you because it happens to do with your state. One of maybe your elected officials there in the Senate. And that is Adam Schiff. There’s now some allegations that he may have read the playbook from Letitia James, who was trying to game the system and get more favorable mortgages by claiming residence in a different state of where she was the attorney general. There’s report that there’s been a criminal referral or at least an investigation that Adam Schiff may have done something very similar. And we’re starting to see this pattern of people that went after the president. that said we’re a country of law and order and that no one is above the law. But they seem to use their position to game the system to get more favorable perks or mortgage rates or what have you. And thereby ignoring the law that we all are subject to and should follow. And I just want to get your take on this as Adam Schiff has been one of the loudest antagonist of the president. And now it seems like scrutiny is looking back at him.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, again, as former DNI, I can tell you I’ve seen the evidence that Adam Schiff is a liar. He lies just to get political gain. He certainly did it with the Russian intelligence. He did it with President Trump. I’ve seen it. Adam Schiff is an absolute liar. And now what we’re finding out is that he lies within his daily life of trying to get a mortgage. What else is he lying about? Because I think he has a real hard time understanding what the truth is because he’s so political. He will lie just to help himself get ahead politically. And and clearly that’s what he did on mortgages, pretending like, you know, he’s. He’s not a D.C. resident. He’s a California person so that he can run for the Senate and have domicile in a certain place. But he manipulates the process when he’s filling out paperwork, lying about what he says publicly. And so I don’t know if we know who he is. And I don’t know if he’s very comfortable with knowing who he is because he seems really comfortable with. with lying publicly and pretending like other people are to blame.
SPEAKER 03 :
Rick, final topic here for you today. I know we’re throwing a lot at you, but we always appreciate you being able to bounce from one topic to the other. But this is the news that came out yesterday where President Trump was meeting with the Secretary General of NATO and was announcing the very strategic way that arms can go to the Ukrainians, as well as putting a red line for Russia of 50 days ahead. We’ve heard similar things with the red line he gave to the Iranians that they had 60 days. And then we saw what happened on day 61. But I just want to get your analysis, your take on this about the president’s negotiating tactics. Clearly, he’s fed up with the games that Vladimir Putin is playing with the world. And what you think can be the outcome of this Trump style diplomacy that we’re seeing play out?
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, within the world of foreign policy, we talk a lot about the importance of having a credible threat, not just a threat. And Donald Trump has an incredible, credible threat. And we know that because our friends and our allies and others Actually understand that when Donald Trump says something, he means it and that he’s probably going to do it unless there are some factual change. And the great thing about President Trump is that he’s living in the moment. He’s watching what’s happening. And so he can adjust everything. in real time. And that’s one of the things that I love about his negotiation style. But what President Trump has now said is there’s 50 days to get this together. And I thought one of the best lines that President Trump used is, the Russians are saying one thing, but it looks like their actions are something else. And I think there’s a big frustration because I can tell you unequivocally that Donald Trump wants to bring peace. He wants to avoid wars. And so he’s doing everything he can to muscle in peace. And this is now just the latest tactic where he’s got to give a deadline. He’s got to tell the Russians, you need to be more truthful about what you want because President Trump means business.
SPEAKER 04 :
Rick, we got a lot of people watching right now and I can always tell when it’s brand new people because I can tell the comments. One of the things that we are focusing on today, we’re doing this 35 years of Justice Drive, promoting 35 years of the ACLJ. But today I’m focused actually on this broadcast because a lot of people tune in each and every day or they tune in each week to hear from you a couple of times or some of our other great commentators, people who are part of the ACLJ team, part of the Seculo commentary group, because it’s important also to have independent uh sources for media and that’s today is what i’ve been promoting is look you may love the legal work we do and that’s great you should give for the legal work but there are also opportunities here because we know we don’t do it with a paywall we don’t do it with sponsors we only got a minute left here rick but i know that it’s important for you obviously to have a voice too uh in terms of being able to get out there with no one uh above you saying uh what you can and can’t say which is what a lot of the mainstream media has
SPEAKER 02 :
Look, the ACLJ family is huge. It’s across the nation. It’s a lot of believers. It’s a lot of people who want truth. And I’m so excited to be a part of it because we actually don’t just do the news. We actually take action and try to hold people to account, try to demand transparency through our lawyers and through our activists. And so I think people should be a part of it. If you’re listening, you should be a part of our family and join the ACLJ because we take our words and our beliefs and we put them into action.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much, Rick. Obviously, you can do that at ACLJ.org. We do have a couple phone lines open for you. Love to hear from you as well. You can give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. You can have your gifts doubled today during this, again, 35 years of Justice Drive. That’s at ACLJ.org slash 35. We’ll get into more of what the ACLJ is doing in the next segment. Coming right up. Thanks, Rick. All right, welcome back to Secula. We got a couple lines still open at 1-800-684-3110. That’s 1-800-684-3110. Again, supporting ACLJ’s 35 years of Justice Drive is an important time. Please be a part of it if you can. Let’s jump to some calls. Some of you have been on hold for nearly half an hour and know we appreciate it. Let’s first go to Brian who’s calling in Virginia. This is not on the radio. Brian, welcome.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, love you guys. Love Rick Grinnell. And Mike Pompeo, too. Thank you, Brian. I appreciate it. And I love President Trump, but I just wish, you know, I believe he’s being played by the Russians. i don’t know what it is i heard some comment that he said he thought that president putin was a standard guy at one point but he’s an evil dictator yeah it just wants to expand russia so the whole point is i’m not happy to hear he’s giving a 50-day deadline because he’s given previous deadlines yeah i understand look i think that um
SPEAKER 04 :
fully heard from even from mike pompeo is that uh vladimir putin is you don’t get to these positions in power if you aren’t a convincing person if you’re not a convincing liar even and what you’ve seen is that yeah do i think he’s played president trump a little bit i think president trump realizes that that he’s not a man of his word we actually saw that in the comment that he made that was kind of off-handed about how he walked in saw melania and said Hey, guess what? Had a great call with Vladimir. It seems like this is going to be over. And she’s like, oh, look, they bombed another nursing home. That’s kind of funny, but it’s really not because what it shows you is you can’t play that game. So I understand that, Brian. I understand feeling that concern that President Trump could be manipulated, if you will be. I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but I do understand the concern.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I think also some of the comments that President Trump will say about his adversaries aren’t always like, when he says like he’s a stand-up guy, a real smart, you know, a lot of it is flattery. And so that’s kind of his tactic that he uses a lot of times.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do think about Kim Jong-un and some of the ways he spoke about him. It was like, yeah, they’re not the ways you typically be speaking about this. And we all know that’s really not the truth. But
SPEAKER 03 :
If he can bring peace, it looks like he’s willing to do it. And the one other thing I’d add to that before we go to other calls is that, Brian, I understand that, yes, it could seem like Putin is doing a delay tactic. But what we did see is that Putin invaded under the Biden administration because they knew they could. Yeah. And they drug that war out for the entire presidency of President Biden because they knew they could. So, yes, maybe they’re exploiting deadlines and timelines. But I think that the best opportunity that we do have to end killing of innocent people and war, which no one at the end of the day really wants… we should maybe see how it plays out, because at least it’s different than what the previous guy did.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks for calling. Bill’s up next in Wyoming. And again, a few lines are open. This may be the last chance to call in. 1-800-684-3110. Bill, go ahead. Yeah, hi.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m pretty sure my monthly donation has finally gotten in by now. I got a what-if question. The fact that maybe the Democrats had finally won the election… Do you think maybe all this information that they’re finding through the FBI and about Comey and those guys could have gone the same way as Hillary’s emails, in fact, have gone into the ether?
SPEAKER 03 :
i think that it’s one it’s it’s remarkable they had all this and then did keep it but did try to hide it i mean that shows some hubris there they couldn’t find any bleach bit right they thought that they would keep winning and so they didn’t have to get rid of this evidence uh but i agree with you bill yeah i don’t think that it uh we would have ever seen the light of day and they clearly didn’t want it to david frost once said well why didn’t you burn the tapes it’s a good question
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Thank you, Bill, for calling. I think that, look, I think there’s don’t put anything past anyone in politics on either side of this. Let’s go to Cambria, who is a ACLJ champion. So you get bumped to the front in Utah. You’re on the air. Thanks again for being a champion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, it’s my blessing. And thank you for taking the call. I don’t know what the prior conversation was because I missed it, but I have a feeling it might be similar. But my concern is with all the scandal so to speak, over Epstein, it’s going to influence, may or may not, I don’t know, but it might paint all the other ones they’re going through unless they clear that all up. Because I myself, I love Dan Bongino, and I trust him more than Bondi at this point. So they want to win those who agree with that opinion over. They can’t skate over it, whether they like it or not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Cambria. Look, this has been a major PR nightmare, if you will, for that administration, for the administration in general, for whether that’s Pam Bondi, whether that’s Dan Bogino, whether that’s Kash Patel. Now you had Rick Grinnell on here saying, look, I know both of them really well. I can’t imagine they would do anything. to cover up we’ve worked with both of them over the years feel like they’re stand-up people so I have nothing bad to say about either of them I will say this was a bad PR move the rollout was horrendous when you have someone going out there saying it’s coming any day it’s coming any day and then there was clearly infighting then there was clearly remember there was Kash Patel putting out a statement after Pam Bondi said it was coming that it didn’t come and then it doesn’t exist and then President Trump even saying hey we got to move on from this topic I don’t necessarily disagree that there are more important things in America to be talking about. And sure. That was during the moment of the Texas floods. Yeah. To me, that is more important. That’s life or death. What’s happening right now for the people in Texas. Uh, that is what should be on the top of your mind. But I understand feeling like, uh, you were led astray in that one. And now they’re trying to say, no one cares about it. No one talks about it. Look over here. Uh, It shouldn’t be something that I feel like dominates our news and really doesn’t change the way I feel specifically about Pam Bondi or Dan Bongino or Cash Patel or President Trump for that matter. But I understand that it’s one of those moments where you cringe at least at the rollout.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and we know one of the biggest things that Dan Bongino cared about and talked about was restoring the reputation of the FBI. And I think, one, we saw reports that he was back in office yesterday, so it wasn’t like that he had resigned. We don’t know firsthand what the status of any of that is. But I will say is that from an outsider’s perspective, looking at this, that… If his big thing is restoring the reputation of the FBI, that PR blunder definitely harmed the reputation of the FBI. And so I can see why he’s upset. Not necessarily what people may think that Pam Bondi is covering up something and won’t let Dan Bongino release it. I think it is more that he really believes in the mission that he’s there to do. And if that’s harmed, then he’s frustrated. And I get that.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, let’s take one more call. Joy, I know it’s a little off topic, but just quickly, we only got a minute left. So if you could go ahead quickly with your question, we’ll answer it real fast.
SPEAKER 11 :
Do you mean Joy or Julie? Joy, you’re on. I can hear you. Okay. I’m wondering why, since the Supreme Court ruled that our president, that the lower court judges cannot interfere with the agenda of the president, they still seem to be doing, the lower court judges still seem to be doing so.
SPEAKER 04 :
And why is that happening? Because they figured out some loopholes. They figured out ways around it. Look, Justice Alito said he even sort of predicted that this would happen because they are changing the ways they are doing their lawsuits.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the individuals when it comes to the birthright citizenship case turned it into a class action suit and the judge certified the class. Now, we’ll see if that he went through the process that is laid before in the federal rules. And if he did, then that is technically the process that can happen. But we’ll also see if he didn’t go through that rigorous process, whether or not it will be upheld in the appeal. But there are class action suits. Those do exist. That is in the federal rules and procedures. So that is one way. That’s one way they’re getting around it. They’re going to try to do it more and more.
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