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In today’s rapidly changing world, tools and appliances have evolved, offering new conveniences and challenges. This episode explores the shift from manual methods to modern solutions, the durability (or lack thereof) of today’s appliances, and how every day can be a unique blend of old and new wisdom. Tune in to hear heartfelt stories and practical advice on keeping home maintenance traditions alive while adapting to contemporary tools and systems.
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Walter? Upstairs! Are you alright?
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In the floor behind the chair.
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This is America.
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Does everybody know what time it is? Fix It Radio!
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Good morning, everybody. Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Larry Unger with me this morning. If you’re listening to a replay of this show, this is a live program today on June the 14th. June the 14th. The month is rolling by. The year is rolling by. Several things we’ll talk about today, but again, if you ever have a question, anything around the house, let us know, 303-477-5600. Again, our studio line, 303-477-5600. The text line, which a lot of you use, and I’ve got a few text messages already this morning, 307-477-5600. 207-282-22. 307-282-22. Father’s Day is tomorrow, so in light of that, I don’t normally do a question of the day for Fix It Radio, but I’ve got this to kind of dovetail into what we’ll talk about on Drive Radio here just a little bit as well. But today’s question of the day here for Fix It Radio is, tell us something, myself, Charlie, listeners out there, tell us something your dad taught you to do around the house that you probably still do today. So give me something that your dad taught you. Now, I understand that in some cases, you know, dads, you know, may not have been super handy or mechanical and maybe didn’t teach much or pass much down. In other cases, you know, dads, in my case, passed down all sorts of things to where. I was raised in a house where I called it the white flag of surrender. It just rarely ever, if anything, got waived. I mean, my dad was one of those to where if something was broke, you figured out how to fix it, and whatever you needed to do, you did, and maybe even to a fault because some things probably should have been tossed and replaced, but we kept fixing them and using it and so on. But I learned a lot of things about how to do different things around the house. I mean, literally, there’s very few things around the house that I cannot do, and the majority of that coming from my dad teaching me how to do things. Now, there’s some things I’ve picked up on my own, and I’ll be the first to admit when it comes to, for example, electrical work or plumbing, sweating pipe, things like that. I learned all of those skills from other individuals, not my dad, but uh and you know with the exception of that larry there’s not too many things that you know my dad didn’t pass down and my question is is how much of that are we still doing or not a ton a ton of stuff my uh my dad for example taught me when i was mowing the grass his big deal was to edge it yep and i thought
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It didn’t make any sense. And he said, well, son, there’s two reasons to edge your grass. And I said, what’s that, Dad? And he said, one, it makes it look nicer. And two, you put a channel between the sidewalk and the grass, helps the water go down deeper in the roots because the sun beats on the concrete. So the grass needs more water at that particular location.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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And I thought about that. And you know what? I still do it today.
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Mm-hmm. All sorts of things where I maybe even should have asked, what are some of the habits that you have today that were passed down from your dad? And again, I also understand that things change. And what I mean by that is we have different, oh gosh, systems, tools, things that we now use. For example, I can remember being taught at an early age how to light the pilot light. in either the furnace or the water heater well very few of those types of appliances now actually have pilots some some still do but the majority are electric you know they they light electrically they’re not on all of the time when there’s demand required there’s an igniter that it actually ignites the flame and especially on furnaces there’s still some water heaters running around they’ll have a pilot light but in general, not as many pilot lights as there used to be. So, you know, it’s one of those things where, you know, how are you going to teach a young person today how to light a pilot light when most of them don’t even exist anymore? I remember back in the day when you did a water heater, you know, you’d have to shut it off for a in there that all that was cleared out. You didn’t want any excess gas in there. You then had to turn the dial to the light portion. You had to push the button down. You had to light it, had to let everything warm up. So you had to hold the button down long enough. Otherwise, if you released it, the flame would go out. And again, these are things that I’m talking about that some are probably listening to thinking, what in the world are you talking about? And some of you old timers like me will know exactly what I’m talking about and might even still have some hot water heaters or some water heaters around that still are like that. But in general, those are some of the things that through time, you know, start to change and you don’t need to do some of the things that maybe we were even taught to do when we were younger, Larry.
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Well, that’s true, but there are still maintenance items that you have to do with these newer appliances as well. So those are things you have to reteach yourself.
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I read something this morning, too, just as a side note, and I was going to throw this in, so Larry just sort of dovetailed into it. There is some factual data now, because a lot of us think this is the case, but there now is some factual data that will tell you appliances today… do not last as long as they used to that’s everything from dishwashers to ovens and stoves to refrigerators to washers and dryers and so on they don’t have the same lifespan that they used to i mean used to be you could buy you know the the the 30-year fridge for example was actually a thing in the past where refrigerators would last that long these these new ones now in fact in the last article i was reading this morning This last decade especially, you’re rarely going to find a refrigerator that will last 30 years in today’s market. Unless you’re buying a really expensive Sub-Zero or something along those lines, you’re probably not going to get a 30-year fridge in today’s market because that’s just the way things have changed as time has gone by.
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Well, if you look at all the electronics that are in the refrigerators and the washers and the dryers and things that we never used to have before. And it’s gotten to the point now where it’s cheaper if your appliance fails to replace it rather than have it repaired.
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That’s right. So again, give us a call, 303-477-5600. Give us something that your dad taught you. You may still be doing it today, or maybe you’ve had to change it, or maybe you’ve figured out different ways to do things from where you were taught. And for example, one of the first things that I thought of, and I don’t know why I thought this, but just off the top of my head, How to clean a paintbrush properly. And I get it. In today’s world, there’s now throwaway paintbrushes and things like that, and they’ve made some of those things much easier than it used to be. But, you know, I grew up to where, and I still do, you know, if you have a little painting project or whatever. How do you properly clean the brush? Rollers, it used to be you’d clean a roller out, but they’ve gotten so cheap anymore that I’ll be straight up honest. I’ll toss the roller, put it in a plastic bag, toss it, and I don’t clean rollers like I used to. It used to be you’d clean them and reuse it and reuse it, but they’ve gotten inexpensive enough that you buy a three- or six-pack of rollers, or even depending upon the project, you might buy more than that. But I don’t clean rollers anymore. But paintbrushes, I’m still one of those guys where – I like buying a really good paintbrush. I want to keep it clean. I want to continue to use it, and I’m not exaggerating. I probably have a couple of paintbrushes in my stock of things that I, Larry, I’ve probably had. I’m 60, and I probably bought some of these when I had my first house at 21 years of age or so. So some of these paintbrushes I’ve got are 40 years old, and I’m still using them, and there’s nothing wrong with them. They work fine.
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Well, you know, and it depends on what kind of paint you’re doing, whether it’s an oil-based paint or a water-based paint. Very true. You know, those cleaning techniques are different on both. But either case, you can still clean the brushes very well.
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yeah and again and this is something else we’ve really ever talked about when it comes to painting painting projects and things like that yeah there are so many advancements today on that end of things to larry’s point where you may find you’re painting something with a particular type of paint where you would rather not even go through the cleanup of that once it’s over you buy a disposable brush you’re not doing any cleanup and messing with any of that i mean the other advent we have today was talking about this the other day with my wife because we didn’t have these even early on in the automotive industry The nitrile gloves, the gloves that we can now wear to where it used to be you’d get paint everywhere all over your hands, your fingernails, all of that if you’re doing some of those projects, oil, whatever. In today’s world, and I highly recommend you wear some sort of a glove. We’ve learned through the years that a lot of chemicals, oil, gas, things like that, are blood-borne type chemicals that you want to keep off of your skin. It’s all the more reason to wear gloves. But I’ll just be straight up honest here. And those weren’t around when I was first in the industry and doing the things that we were doing. If you wore a pair of gloves, about the only thing you had back then were either cotton or leather, and they both sucked when it came to actually working with them. You couldn’t. They were awful. So you just used your bare hands for the majority of what you did and sucked it up, and that’s all you could do.
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Well, now if you look at the thickness of these gloves that are coming out, I mean, they’ve got some really heavy-duty rubber gloves that mechanics will use. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And then they’ve got some very thin gloves just like doctors.
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Yep. Yeah, well, thank you for saying that, Larry. And those of you listening, when you’re buying some of those types of gloves, whether you’re at the— hardware store or even Napa wherever to Larry’s point there’s different mill thicknesses of those gloves depending upon what you’re doing and I guess the point being they’re not all created equal they’re not all the same where you may say all those things are garbage they always tear well you probably didn’t have thick enough ones in the first place for what you were doing because when you get the thicker nitrile gloves even working inside engine compartments and so on where you would normally even be scratching your I can’t tell you how many times you busted knuckles. Again, being a technician, there’s all sorts of things. Your hands just get tore up, something fierce. It’s not as bad. That’s one of the advents for these younger kids today, even getting into the industry. They don’t have some of those same challenges that we had. early on Larry and again that’s the advent of some of the new things that we have today that we didn’t have you know years ago even a couple of decades ago some of this stuff was just really getting developed 20 years ago and it’s come a long way even in the last decade I mean every year it gets better and better and better on some of the stuff that I’m talking about.
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Well, and the costs for the gloves aren’t that expensive.
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No, way cheaper than it used to be.
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You can buy a hundred pack of gloves for 13 bucks.
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Absolutely. I remember when they first came out as a shop owner, I would try to save money because I provided those to all of our technicians. I’d buy them, Larry, by the case.
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Oh, yeah.
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So I’d buy, I can’t remember how many boxes of gloves would come in a case, but… It was a significant purchase to be able to get, you know, because I would just give each technician as needed a box of gloves, and they’d use it just like you would in a doctor’s office or anything else. And it just, again, it helped. I wanted them to, you know, A, when you’re using gloves and you’re in a shop, you don’t have to worry about greasy fingerprints and things like that because when they’re done going to get back in the car, the gloves are off. They don’t have to go wash their hands. It’s an easy transition at that point. So it was one of the reasons why we did that. But second of all, it actually helps their – their own skin, health, bodies, all of that by actually doing that. A text message just came in that dad taught me how to drive the three on the tree when I was 14. It was 68 years ago. Went on to be a school bus driver with a clutch and a two-speed rear end for at least 10 years. Ended up driving for 28 years. Good story, by the way. So those are the things I’m asking today when it comes to give me some of the things that dad taught Your dad taught you, and again, everybody’s going to have a different experience along those lines. Some of you have learned your own things, and again, pass some of those things on down to your own kids. But what is it that dad taught you, either around the house or in this case, even on the driving end of things? The other thing that my dad taught me, and he was a big one on this, and I can still hear his voice at times in my head, when you’re, for example, using a wrench or a screwdriver, there is a proper way to use those tools yes there is and there is an improper way to use those tools and if you don’t know what i mean you probably aren’t using them properly and it’s hard to explain over the radio when it comes to you know for example a screwdriver how do you properly use a screwdriver but i’ve seen people hold screwdrivers it’s sort of like sort of like it’s like explaining it this way you can go to a restaurant and look at all the patrons that are eating And some people know how they’re supposed to hold their forks while they’re eating, and there’s others that look like animals when they’re actually eating with their forks and knives. I’ve seen people do the same thing when it comes to using tools, screwdrivers, and the like. They’re using them like they probably use their utensils, not always because it doesn’t necessarily correlate, but there is a proper way to use some of those tools, and there is an improper way to use them. Tools are made, screwdrivers, wrenches, and so on, they’re made to be used properly. And if you look at how they’re made, it will kind of tell you, if you pay attention, it’ll tell you this is how you’re supposed to be gripping it, for example. This is how you’re supposed to be holding it. This is how you properly use that particular tool. And if you don’t know, there’s plenty of videos. That’s the other advantage of today versus days way back. You can go find any video on how to use any particular tool. But, for example, here’s another one. My dad was big on this. When you’re using a pair of channel locks, for example, there is a right way and a wrong way to put those channel locks on whatever it is you’re trying to tighten or loosen. Because you want to go with the teeth so that as you’re gripping it, it’s actually working with you, not against you. And if you know what I mean by that, just go take a crescent wrench, an adjustable wrench, and go put it on a pipe or a nut or whatever, and you’ll know what I mean. If you’re trying to loosen it and you’re going opposite of the teeth, probably the best way for me to say this on air, that is the improper way of actually having that wrench. Think of it as a pipe wrench. There’s only one way to put a pipe wrench on, and that is so that everything is gripping as you’re turning in or out on that particular part. pipe or nut or whatever it is, your channel locks are exactly the same way. They are made no different, and a lot of vice scripts are made in that same manner, where most people just go throw those on and then wonder, well, why isn’t this working? Because you’re not using the tool the way that it was supposed to be used in the first place. Those are one of those things that early on, I mean, Larry, I probably wasn’t more than four, five, six years of age and learning, you know, this is the proper way to, you know, hold a screwdriver, proper way to put that wrench on and even a pair of pliers and so on. And again, there is the right way and the wrong way. And did your, you know, did your dad, did you teach, you know, your kids even how to do that? And, and, or do you even know what I’m talking about? There should be a lot through listening right now thinking, John, I haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re talking about. Go look it up. There’s a right way and a wrong way when it comes to some of these things, even on the tool side and how you use them and how you don’t, for example.
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Yes, there is. And it’s important to know because it makes the tool work the way it’s supposed to.
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And it saves a lot of grief.
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And you can break a tool very easily if you’re not using it correctly.
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Tool, the item you’re trying to actually work on. I mean, I can go down the list. This also goes into are you using the proper, going back to the screwdriver, especially when it comes to Phillips. They’re not all created equal, by the way. Are you using the proper Phillips screwdriver for what you’re even doing? Because there’s different sizes of those, one, two, three. They’re numbered almost like a pencil. And that’s done on purpose because, no, not all screws are, again, it’s almost like a nut in the different sizes of nuts. Your screwdrivers will be very much the same way, and most people don’t realize. They just think a Phillips is a Phillips is a Phillips. No, they are not, actually. They could be very different.
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No, and if you look at the tip of your Phillips screwdrivers and you see that they’re all jagged and star-shaped. Throw it away.
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Yep. They’re worn out. Throw it away. And you can’t fix them. No. Well, and that’s where if you buy the better tool, and this is where a lot of, you know, right now Snap-on’s getting beat up in the industry really badly because people are coming after them because there’s these Chinese-made tools from other companies I won’t mention. whereby everybody thinks they’re just as good as Snap-on. They’re not, by the way, but other people will defend that, and there’s even some knuckleheads in the industry that will tell you that they’re just as good. And I hate to say this, but they’re completely wrong because, no, they’re not. And one of the reasons I say they’re not is when that Snap-on screwdriver does what Larry just said, They actually will change the shaft out for you free of charge. You keep your same handle, and yes, the shaft does come out of the handle, and they will actually take the shaft, give you a new one, and bada-bing, you got a new screwdriver. And that’s the difference between buying one of those types of tools versus buying one from some of the other places that are being talked about on the Internet and so on.
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Now, that being said, is it important that you buy the top-of-the-line tool every time?
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No. No. Depends on what you’re doing.
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But if you’re doing it yourself or at home, maybe not so important. But if you’re doing it for a professional, you want the quality tools.
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Absolutely. But same thing at home. If you’re using it, to Larry’s point, if you’re using a Phillips screwdriver and you look down on it, you look at the tip of it, and you can see that, hey, this thing just isn’t – it’s not going to work – effectively well then figure out what you’re going to do with that a lot of those can be turned into you take the end of it and grind it all the way down into a you know pick style or an all or there’s all sorts of other ways you could actually use that but it’s probably not going to function as a phillips screwdriver any longer so determine at that point what you’re going to do and then go buy another one because it’s at that point it’s worn out
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And the side going along with that, your flat blade screwdriver, you can repair it.
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You can fix those. Yeah, you can fix it. To a point, although they’re hardened on the end, so you’ve got to worry about that a little bit as well because when they get to a point where you’ve fixed them so much, you’re not going to have the same hardness, if you would, at the tip like you used to. So point being, A, there is a proper way to use tools. There’s an improper way. What did Dad do? I’ve got more things on this as well. But again, give us a call, 303-477-5600. Text line 307-282-22. We’ll come right back. This is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. A couple of text messages that came in as well, and some of these are actually pretty funny. Somebody said, my father taught me the first rule of troubleshooting and repair is stare and complain or only remove one side of brakes at a time. Now, that second one, yeah, that’s actually really good advice. Again, in today’s, this is just a tip, this is something that we didn’t have the ability to do when I, Larry, and some of you listening were younger and our dads would have never been able to teach this because you couldn’t do it back then. And that is, in today’s world, if you’re getting ready to pull something apart, For example, you’ve got a, I don’t know, computer board, and you’re going to pull that out and replace it or do whatever, but you’re not sure exactly how all the wires go back on. Click a picture. Everybody now has these handy little, you know, every phone for the most part today. Rarely does somebody not have a camera on their phone. I mean, you rarely see that. And if not, you’ve even got a digital camera kicking around the house someplace. So worst comes to worst, go grab your whatever, digital camera, whatever device you use, click a picture. Now, when we were kids, you couldn’t do that because it would have been a week before you got those cameras. for the most part yeah before you got those those pictures back yeah so you know it was different back then so you had to do it a little differently so back then you took and you wrote things down you know green goes here white goes here red goes here you know those sorts of things in today’s world you don’t have to stop and write anything down you just click a picture and okay that’s how everything goes back together which makes it really easy for those sorts of things so that’s by the way a little tip most of you probably are wise enough to have determined that. But these are things that have changed since dads were teaching us how to do things. Really, the digital camera thing started rolling around, granted, early 90s. But as far as carrying it with you, that didn’t happen until the smartphones. So 2008, 2009. So if you think about that for about 15 years now or so, you’ve had the ability to have this, literally this camera phone on you, click a picture and know. And I tell you, that is one of the handiest things, literally, depending upon what you’re pulling apart. So for one of the things, for example, we used to struggle with in shops is how does that serpentine belt go back on routing? And yeah, they give you a little description typically up towards the radiator side. the shroud, and maybe it’s even on there. But it was still, you know, sometimes you’d even read that, and it’d be like a monkey reading a roadmap. Nowadays, you can click a picture of all that technicians can, and then go right back to that and see, oh, yeah, this is exactly how that was on there. So the advent of what you’re carrying around with you and having the ability to click a picture of things has made a huge difference when it comes to repairing things. And one thing that I would just tell people, you know, right up front is – There are a lot of things on a lot of devices that typically people would call and have a repair person come out and look at that, quite honestly, with just a little bit of diagnosis on your own, you would be surprised at how many things you could fix on your own, not having to call anybody, thereby saving somebody. I’m not trying to take anything away from the repair guys that are out there, but I think a lot of those guys would even agree that There’s times they’ll show up on site, and they’ve got a trip charge, of course, to go there. And I’m not against that. They have to be paying for what they’re doing. There’s no other way they can stay in business. They can’t just drive around for free. I mean, they have to make money doing what they’re doing. But there’s a lot of cases where they’ll show up and… it’s something so simple they feel bad even charging the trip charge but again they’ve taken time out of their day they drove there they don’t have a choice and i think in their mind even they’re thinking man if i could just get people to do a few of these little things on their own i could avoid even feeling bad you know showing up now i get it some some of the companies out there don’t feel bad they’re glad to charge you they’re going to try to find other things while they’re there and upcharge you so those aren’t the guys i’m talking about those are the guys that we don’t want coming to help you around the house but there’s a lot of folks that I know a lot of repairmen that would fully agree with what I just said that there are things you could literally do on your own and not have to call anybody and for example I got a message this morning Bill in Lakewood texted me early this morning asking me what kind of door lube you know what kind of lube do you use on your garage door And now that’s the other advent. All of these things continue to change. So as time goes by, there’s now even a specific, they’ve made actually now specific door lube grease. It comes in a spray can and you can actually buy now garage door lube that at one time you were kind of using this mixture of things. Some would use, you know, this product or that product and, Typically, it was the wrong product that you would be putting on there. Now, they actually make actual garage door lubricant that you can buy at all of your big box stores, and that is what I would recommend you use when you’re going to go ahead and grease up and do whatever it is you’re doing to your garage door. Now, really quick on the garage door thing, not to get off track, but one thing that is also nice that they have invented today is That we didn’t have when we were younger. They make complete garage door wheels now that are urethane that don’t require you to grease them or do anything with them. They’re super quiet. They’re long lasting. It’s sort of like skateboard wheels. Think of it that way versus the old metal rollers with ball bearings in them. They make a sealed bearing like skateboard wheel that literally is the slickest thing ever. You can change your garage door over to that. It makes it super quiet. So in some cases, you may want to just do some upgrades to things versus even lubricating. Now, if everything’s working fine, all your rollers are good, and you just want to lubricate it up, you know what? Be my guest. Piece of cake. Go for it.
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But don’t use WD-40 to do it.
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Yeah, because it just doesn’t work out. So a WD-40, as you guys all know, I love it. It’s a great product. It does a lot of different things. But in that particular case, it’s really – here’s the problem with it. It’s more of a – and it’s not a penetrating oil per se, but it’s not going to have the long-lasting effects on the garage door that an actual lubricant would have on it. That’s probably where you’re going with that, right?
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Yes.
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Now, those of you really quick also listening, if you’ve got a garage door with a belt, do not lubricate that belt. That belt is not meant to have any oil or grease or contaminants or anything like that on it. So if you’ve got a belt-driven garage door, not a chain, but a belt drive, which there’s a lot of belt drives out there, Genie. genies were belt drive forever i think still are there are some lift masters that are belt driven so if it’s a belt driven garage door do not lubricate that belt there’s it’s not supposed to have anything on it at all just let it be so again these are things that you can also go look at and figure out on your own as well and just make sure that you’re doing things correctly joe go ahead
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John, in terms of taking pictures, one more thing that you want to do even before you, quote, take it apart. I’ve got a three-blade mower deck, and I broke a belt. And, John, that belt goes around six different pulleys.
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Yep.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I had to go online and find all these. So you want to take a picture before it breaks because you’re never going to, quote, take it apart. But if that belt breaks, you want to have a picture. Good point. Again, and if you have anything else like that with a serpentine belt or whatever.
SPEAKER 09 :
Great idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
Take it, you know, because again, same thing with a serpentine belt in your car. You may never going to take it apart, but what if it breaks? What are you going to put it over there?
SPEAKER 09 :
Great idea. Great idea. There’s a lot of those things where preemptively take a few pictures, store them in one of your camera rolls or however you do that on your own device and however you keep track of your different pictures and so on. Great idea, Joe. There’s all sorts of things along those lines where that’s a good idea. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. And, John, are you doing general advice your father gave you?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it doesn’t matter. Whatever, you know, in some cases dads are really mechanical and might have helped you out, you know, greatly in that area. And in other areas it might have been how to drive or just other advice.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, John, I’m going to tell you this in all seriousness, and it’s the best advice I’ve ever gotten in my life. And your female listener is going to say it’s sexist as hell. But, John, I swear to you this is the best advice. When I turned 18, my father said, I’m going to give you two pieces of advice. He said advice number one. Never argue with a crazy woman. Number two, never forget that all women are crazy. And, John, I… You know, not bad advice, Joe. John, I have to tell you seriously, that is the best advice I’ve ever gotten in my entire life. So I just don’t argue with a woman because it will never end well.
SPEAKER 09 :
It will never end well. That is not bad advice at all, Joe. Not bad advice at all.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. And, ladies, I’m sorry, but… I think most of them would agree with you, Joe.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t think many of them are going to argue with that, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. All right. Well, that’s the best advice I’ve ever gotten in my entire life, and I’ve never forgotten it to this day, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good advice. Good advice, Joe. All right. Appreciate you. Have a good one, Joe. Appreciate you. Happy Father’s Day, by the way, Joe. Appreciate you as well. And really quick, back to the whole how to use tools. It’s the other thing, too, that is different today. I was thinking about this the other day. In fact, my boys and I were talking about this, Larry, the amount of tools required. we have available today to do all of the different things that are needed to do uh you you young guys you don’t have a clue what we used to have to do back in the day when we didn’t even you know i i can remember when cordless tools didn’t exist Corded tools did, but you never used a corded tool to drive screws or do anything along those lines at all. They just weren’t fine-tuned enough, maybe is the way to say that, Larry. They didn’t have enough clutch braking and things like that, where if you got an electric drill going, it just kept going. So there’s no way you could do some of the things back then that we can do today. Yes, I know I’m old, but we did not have… cordless. I remember when some of the first cordless things came out, and I’ll just be straight up honest, they were garbage.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
The batteries didn’t last. In a lot of cases, the batteries weren’t removable. You had to charge the actual device itself, and they were absolute garbage. Now, in the automotive world, we had a lot of air-driven tools and things like that, but very few people had those you know, opportunities around the house to have anything along those lines whatsoever. So you did everything literally by hand. There just wasn’t any, you know, you guys today to go grab it. And I, I do it. I’m not, I’m not complaining. I use a lot of cordless tools, screwdrivers, things like that. But back in the day, you did literally everything by hand. You had to go put a new door striker on. You put that thing in with a screwdriver and you did it on your own. There were no power tools to assist you in those things like there is today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and the power tools that you did have, they didn’t have any power. That was the problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the other thing. That’s the other thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. That’s why most of us guys that did a lot of our own work had looked like Popeye. We had our forearms.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and that goes back to the proper use of tools because we didn’t have some of the power tools. I mean, you learn how to use a hacksaw, for example, because you didn’t have a power-driven sawzall or anything along those lines. Right. occasionally I will still drag a hacksaw out and do something, although it’s not near as much as it used to be, because we have power tools now that will do those same things that we used to get hand tools out to do in the past. For example, this is – sorry, I know I’m maybe getting off track, but how many of you – have cut a board with an old-fashioned saw that’s where i was going to go the way we used to have to do it and how many young people know how to even use that saw and the proper method of actually cutting the board because there is a proper way to do it in an improper way to do it yes there is so how many know how to do that is my point larry
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’m wondering how many even knows what a soul looks like.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, how many even own one? Yeah, that’s not a bad idea. Yeah, not a bad idea. Let’s just say this. There’s less and less of those out there, and I’m just going to say it this way. probably not a bad idea those of you that are occasionally go to some of the different like swap meets and garage sales and so on i’ll just tell you straight up if you don’t have a good handsaw around your place and i’m not saying you need to go out and buy a new one because there’s enough of these that show up at some of those types of things i’m mentioning but i would own a good handsaw because about the time the power is not there and you need to cut something how are you going to do that
SPEAKER 03 :
And you have to learn how to use it correctly because it will not function the way you want it to.
SPEAKER 09 :
That is exactly right. One of those things where if you haven’t taught even your own kids how to do some of these things, because, again, I’m going back in things that I know my dad taught me, how to use a saw correctly, how to use a hacksaw correctly, a jigsaw, whatever the saw happens to be. Because this is just a tip. The saw only works pushing. It doesn’t work pulling, unless somebody put the blade in backwards on a hacksaw, for example. But they’re designed to cut while pushing, and you’re just dragging it back. You’re cutting as you move forward. You’re dragging it back. You’re cutting it as you move forward. And that is true for almost, I don’t know, of a saw. Again, Larry, unless somebody put the blade in backwards, that is how saws are designed. They’re meant to be pushed and cut. I’m doing this on air, and it’s hard, but it’s designed to push. and cut at the same time, not pull and cut.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that’s because that’s where your force is, is when you’re pushing, not when you’re pulling.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. So it’s just the way it’s designed, and there’s a lot of people out there listening, younger people especially, that probably don’t know what I just said, because honestly, Larry, they’ve probably never even used a handsaw. There’s so many cordless tools now along those lines. Most have never done that. So Jeff in Montana, what’s up today, sir?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, good morning, gents. We’re at about, what, 70 degrees today, I guess we’re going to get to? 75, something like that? Sunny? Beautiful? Yes. We’re going to beat you.
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re going to beat you here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. By how much?
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re going to be in the low 80s today here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. So, like typical, probably 5 degrees or so more than us.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, and happy flag day, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
You bet. I went out and put up four flags. I put up the American flag, the POW flag, and since we live on an Indian reservation, there is a reservation flag and the state flag. So I put those up this morning and played Reveille and For the Colors to my neighbors. Good job. Good job. So… Yeah, I learned in my childhood, I learned a lot of things, resiliency, and I’m not going to go into how my dad taught me that, but it was not probably the best way. But when I was thinking about your topic, about what did we learn, this is almost instinctual for me. It was my maternal grandfather. He was firstly beyond belief because they grew up in the Depression. He was kicked out of it. Kicked out of his family was a little strong, but he was 16 years old. His mom said, we can’t afford to keep you anymore. You need to go. And so at 16, he began to make his own way in the world and, you know, went to college and did different things. I ended up with his own cheese factories. But he would never throw anything away. Yep. He would.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. I just experienced that cleaning all of my dad’s stuff out, Jeff. So, yeah, I know that feeling.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, he would keep twist ties and rubber bands and Popsicle sticks. And guess what I have out in my shop? Bundles of Popsicle sticks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. don’t know why i can’t tell you they say i mean i think i think in their mind at least this is the way my dad was you know if it was a smaller paint can and you could use a popsicle stick to stir that instead of getting a regular paint stick out and so on and so forth but on the same token they saved everything so what difference does it make go use a paint stick you’re saving it anyways i mean They’re washing those off and reusing them over and over and over again. So at the end of the day, Jeff, I don’t know why some of that stuff. Because to your point, the mindset was, and my dad didn’t come out of the Depression, but his dad did, and so he just had this probably ingrained into him that you don’t throw anything away. You might use that again someday.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Right. I mean, the joke in the family is my grandmother would say that it pains him to have to flush the toilet.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, at least I had a toilet.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, true.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s true. Because I can remember in days on the other side of my family when they didn’t have one in the house and we had to go outside.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that was my mom. She grew up that way very much.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that and wood stoves and all that stuff. Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
And really quick, that’s probably the other thing, you know, now that you say that too, Jeff, the other thing that, you know, in my world that my dad, you know, taught both my, you know, my brother and I, he’s, of course, you know, passed, but, you know, I still have these skills from that is how do you, you know, A, how do you start a small engine, a chainsaw, for example? How do you properly use the chainsaw? How do you sharpen the blade on or the chain, I should say, on a chainsaw? You know, these are things, Jeff, that are skills that I’m afraid to say most don’t have today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And in full disclosure, I’m trying to wean myself of this habit that even, you know, those little trays you can get to put inside your paint tray.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t have to clean it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
I will find myself cleaning those. Well, let’s see if I can let it dry and pull the stuff out of it, you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I used to. I’ve gotten to the point anymore where I guess I finally have realized that time is money as well, and they’re designed for X amount of cents on the dollar to be used and tossed. And I guess I’ve finally gotten to the point, Jeff, where I just say, okay, I’m going to keep a stock of X, and when I use it, I’m not cleaning it, I’m throwing it away. But yet my family will make fun of me because the one thing that I do do, and they laugh at me so often, I actually clean Ziploc baggies.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that was something. I will keep a clean one. I mean, if it had something that wasn’t dirty, I’ll keep it. But I don’t clean those anymore. I just toss them in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, for me, I don’t know why. Habit, I don’t. I mean, now out in the shop, if it’s something that, you know. it like to your point a paint tray something like that yeah i’m not going to spend much time cleaning that it’s just getting the latex paint and everything out of every groove and so on the amount of time that takes and by the way the amount of water that you’re also using to do that and then of course i’m on septic as well jeff and i just don’t want to run as much of that i don’t i want to run in you know clean the paint brush out is enough for me i don’t want to add anything to that that i don’t have to so in that case yeah i’m going to toss that yeah and i just recently kind of came to the conclusion that the
SPEAKER 05 :
At my point in life, you know, you keep stuff because just in case. After a certain age, you realize there’s not that many more days of just in case.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and the rule of thumb anymore, and I’m trying to follow this, and I keep throwing even some of my own stuff out, you know, week after week. I’m just trying to go through things and toss stuff. What they say is if you haven’t used that in six months, toss it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s way too much for me. I can’t do that because there’s like ladders and stuff I haven’t used.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you know, yeah, those type of items I wouldn’t. But I mean, I think that, you know, kind of the rule of thumb on, you know, even some of the smaller items that we tend to keep around and I’m as guilty of it as anybody. I mean, I’ve got I went last summer, not this summer, but last summer I went through my own toolbox. And, you know, over time you get one junk drawer turns to two turns to three turns to four. And and here’s the thing. I actually consolidated. I went and got some really nice Tupperware things that I could put some of the junk in the junk drawer in. And, Jeff, here’s the thing. I haven’t opened one of those since I cleaned that last summer. So why am I keeping all that crap?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because you’re going to need it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, literally, I should just go take every one of those now, go to the dumpster and empty them and say, I’m done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Would you miss it if you did?
SPEAKER 09 :
I wouldn’t miss it because what I did, just as a test, I took all of those Tupperware containers. My wife got me some nice little containers to put everything in and I put those in one big deep drawer of my toolbox that I am not exaggerating, Jeff, I haven’t opened in a year. I haven’t rolled that drawer out in a year.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I’m having some landscaping done. I have a garden shed that was, to call it a shed is to give it more credence than it really is. It’s kind of an enclosed area under a deck, and water runs into it, and I’m getting some landscaping done to mitigate that. But in the process of all that, I’m taking everything out of it to kind of clean it, get rid of all the mouse droppings and crap that accumulate. And up on one of the shelves, there was a bin, and it’s been up there for eight years. I go, I wonder what’s in this. I don’t remember it, and I open it up, and old bicycle helmets.
SPEAKER 09 :
yeah when my kids were young which you don’t need and that’s another one of those just as a side note for all those of you listening you know this jeff those also change and have advancements and as time goes by the deteriorate those helmets are no longer even worth wearing if anybody needed to right roger that so um on the plus side of saving though one of the things that when i was stationed in england what four decades ago um
SPEAKER 05 :
But I used to go to the auctions there and look for old tools. Okay. And I accumulated a whole bunch of old tools just for curiosity, sick planes and different things. And one of the things that I have is probably five or six different wheel right drill bits.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, the old drill bits that they used to use to actually drill the holes in the wheels that spokes would fit into. Also has some of the spokeshaves. Those are kind of cool. Yeah. They are massive, and I kind of keep them up there just as a reminder of how far we’ve come.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s a whole different reason to keep something. I have some old tools along those same lines, Jeff, I’ll never use. I mean, I’m keeping them more just as a keepsake, a reminder, I guess you could say, of where we’ve come and where we’re at today. But the other thing that I have done, and this is going to probably shock some folks, but between… All of the stuff my dad had, all the stuff that I had, I am not exaggerating. You know the big gray tubs that people store Christmas decorations and all that kind of junk in? So the big gray ones. Not the little gray ones, but the big gray tubs. I have filled an entire gray tub. of corded tools drills things like that that jeff again i use everything cordless now or i’ll get an air tool out and do something along those lines if i have to but i have i have now accumulated an entire tub of corded tools that i have no idea what i’m going to do with because i hate to throw them away but no one’s going to use those or buy them yeah
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know. You might be able to give them away. Somebody might take them. You know what?
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, I haven’t gone to a big place to try to give them away, but I will tell you this. Most of the thrift stores and so on won’t take them either, and I have tried literally pawning them off on anybody I can think of, and I, a year later, still have them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow, even the Restore and those guys.
SPEAKER 09 :
They don’t want them either because it’s the same situation, and they won’t take even old cordless tools. Unless the batteries and everything, there’s a charger, and you can prove they work and so on. They don’t even want those either, same reason, because going and finding an old battery for an old cordless tool that is obsolete, what are you going to do with it? It’s junk. Now they’re paying to dispose of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. One of the coolest experiences, I don’t know if it was cool, it was a humbling experience in my life. I used to work on the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft as a crew member. Okay. And so before I retired, I went down to Greenville where they actually do the modifications, Greenville, Texas. And they had a museum down there. And I went to the museum, and there are all the receivers and recorders that I used to work with back in the 70s. In the museum, and I’m thinking, you’re telling me I’m a museum piece.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow. Yeah, we are, actually.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. But good show.
SPEAKER 09 :
Always a joy talking to you, Jeff. Appreciate you very much. We’ll come back here in just a moment. Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 09 :
All right, we are back. Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening today, by the way, and all the comments that have come in on the text line, and I’ll mention some of those as we go through not only this show but Drive Radio as well. But Bob and Thornton, you are next. Go ahead, Bob.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have kind of a funny story about a garage sale, and I used to kind of wander through garage sales as long as they were close in the neighborhood. And I saw this lamp, and it was a really nice lamp, and they had a tag on it for $10. And I said, would you take five? And the guy said, five? He says, the cord is worth 25 cents. I said, okay, I’ll give you 50 cents for the cord. And he laughed and sold it to me for five bucks.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I live in an area, there’s 61 homes in here, and these are… You know, not real high-end homes, but, you know, on the higher end. And most of us have three-car garages now. This previous weekend, the Homeowners Association put up these expensive signs saying neighborhood garage sale. 61 homes. Nobody had anything out on their driveway. Now, John, these neighborhoods have three-car garages and people park their cars outside.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because they can’t get in because the garage is full of junk.
SPEAKER 10 :
I got a three-car garage, and the only thing that touches the ground in my garage is cars. If I don’t have a place for it and it’s a garage item, I have a shelf. But nobody sold anything. That’s amazing, actually. Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without. My mother said that all the time. Anyway, yeah, garage sale.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good story. Good story, Bob. Thank you, by the way. Appreciate you very much. Mickey, you’re next. Go ahead, Mickey.
SPEAKER 04 :
Use it up, wear it out, make do or do without.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, two more. Using a handsaw or a hacksaw, use the whole blade.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep, the whole blade, Mickey. That was another thing my dad taught me. You don’t make short strokes a whole way. Yep, use it because… You got that energy already going. Keep it rolling. Don’t stop. Yeah, and you don’t wear out just one part of the blade. That’s right. On an ax saw, even. That’s right. You use it all the way through, and yet I’ve seen, you know, it used to frustrate me, and that was one of the things you’d even teach young technicians. You know, they’d come in the shop, and you’d watch them, you know, because, again, back when I first started, there wasn’t a lot of, you know, power tools. We had corded sawzalls and things like that, but you still hand cut a lot of things, Mickey, depending upon what you were doing, and you’d watch some technician, you know, having like a three-inch stroke, and it’d be like, use that entire blade. It’ll make it a lot easier. Yep, and now I forgot the other one. That’s all right, that’s all right. No, those were good, Mickey, because that’s very true, and that’s a good one. And again, I get it. Times change, and we’ve now got other devices and things that we can use, but the premise of how to use tools correctly and that foundation hasn’t changed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, here’s one you’re going to like. There’s… Ah, damn it. The… Don’t abuse your tools. Because you say, go ahead, lean on it, break it, then you’ll have to buy another one.
SPEAKER 03 :
If it doesn’t abuse you in the process. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah, good point. That’s why I like this. the shape of the snap on hand wrenches oh yes if you if it’s starting to hurt your hand you’re putting too much pressure on it yeah and i don’t care anybody says still the best wrenches and i don’t care still the best wrenches known to man ever i don’t i’ll give them that they might be expensive but they’re still the best i got mine and they they’re not going anywhere yep and considering where everything else is they’re still cold yep So thank you, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. Mickey. Thank you. I appreciate it. Somebody said, yep. I already know John’s pet peeve is garages that are full of crap. Cause you can’t get the, can’t get the, you can’t, there’s a full of stuff like, like Bob was saying earlier, you can’t get the car in. And folks, when I look at that and I drive by and I know I’m weird, but I’ll drive by different neighborhoods and different things. And I’ll look in and, especially in the summertime people have their garage doors open and so on and i just think to myself you aren’t using you’re not using an ounce of what’s in that garage you’ve just you’ve filled it full of crap and then people even have more crap because they go get storage lockers and other things that they fill up as well and it’s like just throw that junk out somebody said maybe i could donate those cordless tools to your church yeah you know no they don’t want them either they don’t want them either i mean because here’s the thing it to to bob’s point a moment ago on the garage sale side of it you you won’t even sell those things at a garage sale i’m just being straight up honest nobody wants them because you can now go buy i mean literally even inexpensive cordless tools whether it be you know ryobi is kind of that cheap brand nothing wrong with them by the way but that’s the cheaper brand at home depot and other places you can even buy the walmart brand you can buy the cobalt brand At Lowe’s, you can buy the Harbor Freight brand, the Bauer Harbor Freight brand. I mean, you can buy some of that stuff now so inexpensively that there’s no sense buying a used corded tool and nobody’s going to. So I’m probably going to end up scrapping those or… tossing them or whatever but that’s it for today guys fix it radio and again website fixitradio.com please support all of our sponsors and make this show happen on a weekly basis we appreciate them very much appreciate you guys as well happy father’s day tomorrow by the way we’ll be back though in a few minutes with our next program this is fix it radio klz 560.
SPEAKER 02 :
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