In this special holiday episode of Rush to Reason, Andy Pate fills in for John Rush and brings together a dynamic discussion centered around the complexities of navigating tricky political conversations during family gatherings. Joined by guests Ashley Carter and his wife Corey, they explore how deep-seated differences can pull families apart, yet underscore the need for compassion above all. Delve into the fascinating journey of papermaking from its origins in ancient China to its arrival in the Islamic world and Europe, shedding light on a topic many might overlook. From contemporary challenges we face in America to historical
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It’s finally Friday on Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. So I tell him I’m a pro, Jack. And who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama himself. So we finish 18, and he’s gonna sniff me. And I say, hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know? And he says, oh, uh, it won’t be any money. But when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness. So I got that going. And movie reviews with Andy Payne.
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I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.
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What I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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Now, here is your host of Rush to Reason, John Rush.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice.
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush once again. And I am not joined by Luke Cash Mann and Tanner Cole Mann. Instead, we’ve got a very feminine appeal going on in here today. To my left is Ashley Carter. Her. That’s right, Ashley Carter. And so it’s Ashley Carter. Yeah. Exactly. And to my right, of course, we have my blushing bride, Corey. Corey, how are you?
SPEAKER 20 :
I’m great. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m doing well. Ashley, you having a good time? Yeah. Okay, well, folks, we are entering, well, we’re actually in, we are in the throes of the holiday season.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, it’s here already.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. Today is going to be movie day because we have a couple more movies that are out over the holidays. The Thanksgiving holidays already did wicked for good last week. And now we’re going to have a couple more movies today. But first, I want to get into the impossible question. We had one from Monday that we didn’t cover. You ready? Ready. Here we go. Okay. Okay. What civilization invented paper? Oh, gosh. Wasn’t it the Egyptians with papyrus?
SPEAKER 20 :
I was going to say the same thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
You see, I would have thought that, too, but I would be wrong, and therefore you are wrong as well. Oh, no. It is the Chinese. Here we go. Paper making. Paper making. And maybe it’s just different, I guess. Papyrus is probably not legally paper.
SPEAKER 19 :
Maybe. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m not sure. Our copy machine here uses papyrus, and that’s why I was kind of thinking that would actually work. Paper making can be traced to about 105 A.D. when, I’ve got to get this right, Ceylon, an official attached to the imperial court of China, created a sheet of paper using mulberry and other something fibers, along with fishnets, old rags, and hemp waste.
SPEAKER 19 :
So, I mean, I’m assuming that’s around when Britain language was developed in China.
SPEAKER 05 :
I guess so. In its slow travel westward, the art of papermaking reached Samarkand in Central Asia in 751. And in 793, the first paper was made in Baghdad during the time of Harun al-Rashid. Hey, I did all right on that one. With the golden age of Islamic culture that brought papermaking to the frontiers of Europe. So the Chinese… Okay, learn something new.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, at this point, name something the Chinese didn’t invent before everyone else.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hamburgers. Okay, so there you go, hamburgers. One thing I want to talk about first before we go take a break and get into some movies here is we are in the holiday season. And of course, this is a very awkward time for a lot of people. Why? Because America is so divided. Yeah. Politically, mainly. Right. Right. I mean, people are at each other’s throats. People who don’t know each other on the streets are just grabbing random people and strangling them on the off chance that they might have different politics. Yeah, I think it’s almost like that. And so what do you do? How do you handle it? If you have one of these Thanksgiving or Christmas meals and you have somebody there who has different politics from you, how do you handle it?
SPEAKER 20 :
I think most people just don’t talk about it. Okay, so basically shut down?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I mean, that’s the easiest solution is just ignore it, shut down, don’t talk about it. Yeah, that’s what we do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Corey actually duct tapes me to a chair and she duct tapes my mouth. So I’m sitting there kicking and, you know, can’t breathe really well. And the reason I don’t understand this is we’re the only two there. Okay, Corey and I, we do these meals on our own, so I’m not really sure. We went out and got a turkey that is the size of a cow.
SPEAKER 20 :
Hold on, there’s no we here. That was all you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, we had one of these things. We go to Safeway, right? And they have a thing where you spend $100, you get a free turkey. Well, naturally, I’m a guy, so what? Get the biggest one.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
28 pounds. was oh my gosh yeah pure pride he walks up and i’m like what are you doing it filled half the cart i’m like it’s two of us rocky trained by beating up these frozen turkeys hanging in the meat shop okay it was incredible so are you beating up the turkey are you eating it well i do a little of each okay because i’m a guy all right i’m a guy and we we live it up here’s the thing Okay, for the most part, yeah, people just shut down. They say, okay, all this stuff is off limits, right? Politics, religion, all that stuff is off limits. And I do think that’s probably the wise way to go. I do. But I want to say this. Isn’t that a shame?
SPEAKER 19 :
It is. I mean, it’s also a shame that the people that take a different approach, it’s considered rage baiting. It’s not a, I’m going to, you know, a holiday meal with my family and I’m going to debate the people that disagree with me and see if we can come to some sort of middle ground. No, it’s, I’m going to go to this meal and I’m going to rage bait my family until they get so angry at me they leave.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. You know, Ashley, I think it’s a wider statement on America as a whole. For the most part, what we’ve done is we’ve all stopped talking to each other, stopped talking to people with different beliefs, and we’ve receded into our little tribes, right? And then I look forward and I’m like, well, how are we ever going to get better? How are we ever going to improve as a society, as a country? My goodness, if we can’t do it around a Thanksgiving dinner or a Christmas dinner, when can we?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I think that the topics have just become so much more polarized over the last 10, 15 years. I mean, it’s always been a touchy subject, politics, but it seems more like these days, if you disagree, then you are just, you’re hateful, you’re wrong, you’re racist. There’s no legitimate conversation. It’s all accusations.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. Everybody is so invested in everything, I think, because there’s so much at stake. By the way, Corey tried to, you know, Deport me. And I took that very… A lot of people are talking deportation. I’m sorry. Illegal immigration over the last few years has probably been the biggest topic.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I’d say.
SPEAKER 05 :
Around the dinner table. Yeah. I would agree. Should we deport everybody in sight or nobody in sight or somewhere in between? And people are turning on each other. And, you know, that’s okay that you tried to deport me. That’s all right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, if you just behave yourself.
SPEAKER 05 :
I took it as a vacation.
SPEAKER 20 :
You know, we had to have a long talk about you coming back. I just…
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I found my way back. What she does, it’s really kind of fun. Corey takes me on these drives out in the countryside and leaves me. And then it’s like a dog finding its way home, and I do find my way home eventually weeks later. But that’s okay. Honey, I love you.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s a game. I’ve told you this.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s a very good game. Okay. Ashley’s looking at us. Is this a good marriage? We’re kidding. We’re actually a very good marriage.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. We’re kidding that we have a good marriage? I’m confused.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I’m just going to say this, and this is how I want to wrap this up with the whole holiday talking to each other. Yeah, I agree. It’s probably the best idea to make those things off limits. It’s probably the best idea to avoid those topics. I get that. I really do. I think it’s sad. I think it’s sad that the price of admission to being in people’s lives, to being in their hearts, to being in their family, in these relationships, is your silence.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and also so often the person who maybe is in the minority of the group, they’ll make a snide comment, right? And then everybody’s just sitting there like, well, I don’t want to be rude. So then they just turns into this awkward silence.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or it can go the other way. They gang up. Right. I mean, you can either have a bunch of people gang up on somebody or one person who is on the, you know, has a different view, can kind of push that on everybody and everybody else is trying to be nice and they go silent. And bottom line, it gets awkward, doesn’t it?
SPEAKER 19 :
And I mean, honestly, I think bottom line, too, is if you want to have these discussions, then you’re with your family. At the very least, you have to acknowledge that no matter what someone thinks or what someone says, you’re going to love them. Don’t let this determine how you feel about your family.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I think here’s the best message we can give to each other, Ashley, on these holidays. I value you more than I value your agreement with me. Yeah. You mean more than your agreement with me. You know, and that doesn’t mean I don’t get upset about people having different views. I do. OK, I’m very staunch in my views. We all know that. But when people stop being more important than agreement, I think that’s what we’ve lost the soul in America. I think that’s when we’ve lost it, and I think we’ve got to get it back. Sound good? Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
I agree.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLC 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Ashley Cart. Her. That’s right, Ashley Cart, her, and my blushing bride, Corey. Yes. Are you having fun?
SPEAKER 20 :
I’m having a great time, but I’m a little sad I don’t have a cool intro.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t. I don’t. Okay, my blushing bride. Corey.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, okay, that’s good. Well done. Okay, well, Ashley, you know, I’ve known you for a while. I got a personal question for you. Are you ready? I’m ready. Are you ready for a movie?
SPEAKER 19 :
I have my exclusive popcorn bucket sitting right here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. Okay, well, with whom will you spend your afterlife? Let’s find out in Eternity.
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So, I know this is a lot, but don’t worry, I’ve been doing the research.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, Larry.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you mean, Larry?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, a lot has happened in a week. You died, I died, I just been reunited with both of my dead husbands.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’re exactly how I dreamt you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I have to pick where to spend eternity.
SPEAKER 10 :
My client clearly has a very difficult decision to make.
SPEAKER 13 :
I was married to her for 65 years, and I gave her children. There’s nothing more powerful than emotional blackmail. Right? Good on ya.
SPEAKER 07 :
It kills me that I didn’t get to have a life with you. But I thought about you every single day. I can’t fathom, Samira, what just could have gone worse. I love you.
SPEAKER 13 :
It just got worse. It just got worse.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have complete faith that you will choose the right eternity and the right person to spend it with. Eternity is forever. Once you’ve chosen, you can’t go back. I don’t care where we end up, as long as we’re together.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s not a competition. Yes, it is!
SPEAKER 10 :
Sweetheart, it is 100% for sure a competition. It is in fact a competition. That’s literally what we’re here for. It is a competition. That’d be pretty tough, wouldn’t it?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I would not want to be in that situation.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you would not. Okay, you know, everyone fears death, but there’s one good thing about it. One good thing. No more love triangles, right? You think. Yeah, no more choosing between two guys or two girls. No more, right? I would hope. Yeah, not in this movie. Elizabeth Olsen, she stars as Joan, who is married to Larry, played by Miles Teller for decades. Once they die, they meet up in the afterlife. Unfortunately, Joan was briefly married long ago to Luke, played by Callum Turner, who died in the Korean War. Well, Luke has been tending bar all these years in the afterlife, patiently waiting for his wife to join him. But Joan wasn’t ready for this. How can she choose? Well, she has one week to do so, and it won’t be easy. But everyone faces this in this afterlife, okay? Everyone gets one week to choose their eternity. It could be an endless party life with promiscuous sex and drinking. It could be eternity relaxing on a beach. Or maybe eternity in classic 1930s Germany, but without all the Nazis, okay? Without all those pesky Nazis. Hey, you choose. Once you choose, you can’t go back, or you enter a thing called the void. If you want to wait for a loved one, you must get a job, like tending bar, and you get meager accommodations. You’re put up in a really lousy room while you’re waiting. And her other husband, Luke, has been waiting for 60 years. He’s been waiting a long time for her. Well, now Joan must choose, and it’s not easy. Luke, he seems ideal since he’s handsome, selfless, fun, and everything man. Larry can be selfish, and he has a negative attitude. Sounds simple, right? Well, Joan built a lifetime, though, with Crabby Larry. And can Luke really be so perfect forever? Can anyone? There are twists and turns, but eventually Joan must choose her eternity. What do you think?
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, from the first trailer, I thought it sounded interesting for sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it is interesting. Okay, well, what works in Eternity? First of all, and Corey, you went to these with me. I did. So you can chime in too. First of all, you have strong acting, right? All three leads are spot on. And Divine Joy Randolph, she’s pretty funny as the afterlife coordinator. I generally like her anyway. I especially, though, liked Miles Teller, playing an old man in a 30-year-old body, since we all spend eternity at our happiest age. Okay. So they die as old people. And there he is, a 30 year old. And he still talks like an old man. He did a good job.
SPEAKER 20 :
He did. It was pretty funny. And just how he was expecting to still have that old man.
SPEAKER 05 :
mobility issues and then he’s like i can do squats oh my gosh this is amazing yeah he had a lot of fun with it and i i thought miles teller was really the key to the whole movie i thought it was the best part of it uh let’s see next there are some funny moments about the korean war of all things they have some fun with that and they do a good job next the strongest scene in my opinion comes when luke and larry actually do some bonding All right. After all, they’re both going through a really hard time. This is a terrible situation. And they bond a little bit. And I enjoyed that too, didn’t you?
SPEAKER 20 :
I did. It was fun to see them. Like they’re supposed to hate each other and they want to hate each other. But suddenly they’re finding that they really like each other.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which kind of makes sense because she chose both of them and she chose well.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
She really did. There’s also a good message here. Do you want eternity in some idyllic situation like on an endless vacation? Or do you want that real life you always complained about?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, wow. I mean, I know my eternity would just be endless days in an empty Disney World. Okay, that’s fine. So it’s like, that’d be mine. I get to do everything I ever wanted to do in Disney World without worrying about the crowds.
SPEAKER 05 :
That would actually be kind of fun and not paying for it. And, you know, one person chose an endless eternity in art galleries.
SPEAKER 20 :
It was Museum World.
SPEAKER 05 :
Museum World.
SPEAKER 20 :
He’s like, I can’t look at another painting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, he was going insane. So the question is, you know, so often we spend so much of our time at our jobs, in our lives, you know, with the kids, with the family, you know, with the church, with the business, all this kind of stuff. And it feels like because you have to do it all, it feels like have to, have to, have to. Right. And what do we do with our want tos? Well, that’s maybe on the weekend if you have time, but definitely with your vacation when you head out, go on a trip. And so we think, man, what about eternity doing the want tos? All right. And this this story actually takes a hard look at that and says, you know what? The have tos is something you might enjoy as well, but you do want the want tos as well. And so it draws a nice balance between it. I kind of like that. What do you think?
SPEAKER 20 :
I did too. I thought it was a really interesting look of what do you really want out of life? What do you really want out of love?
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. So I like that. Okay, what doesn’t work in eternity? Well, first of all, it could have been funnier. It really could have. Nowhere near the level of Defending Your Life with Albert Brooks, which is another afterlife. I don’t know if you’ve seen that one.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’ve never even heard of that one.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s funny. It’s very funny.
SPEAKER 20 :
Definitely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, really hilarious. And was this nearly as funny as that?
SPEAKER 20 :
No, it wasn’t. I felt like they kind of imitated Defending Your Life on a few things, especially with the Hall of Memories. But no, it wasn’t nearly as funny or engaging.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, not nearly as well written. Next, the pacing. It starts good. Okay, it does. But then it drags badly through the middle, and then it ends pretty strong. It does. And most movies do, but that middle’s rough. What’d you think, Corey?
SPEAKER 20 :
I would agree with that, because after a while it’s kind of like, okay, let’s speed it up. You’re kind of getting bogged down here. Too many details.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. I don’t care anymore. Get it over with. Next, and here’s a big one. An incredible amount of gay agenda, of all things. Which, yeah, I mean, and that’s just it. There are movies where… That gay person totally fits in. They’re part of it. Here, it’s all shoved in. So, you know, you’ve got gay agenda. Given how this has nothing to do with the central story, you have gay neighbor, gay Germany. Gay Germany, yes. Gay experimentation for Luke. Gay, gay, gay. And… You know, a gay character can add to a movie, like, as good as it gets, or isn’t it romantic?
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Excellent characters in both, right? Or gayness can just be an intrusion on the plot. In Eternity, it’s a constant intrusion.
SPEAKER 20 :
It felt like a distraction. It’s like, oh, well, we have to put in, you know, X number of minutes of this particular topic.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s pandering.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, it was. And preaching. Because part of it, too, is they’re going from booth to booth and everybody’s trying to sell their eternity and get them to come get you to buy into theirs. And even with that, there were different settings that were like, OK, did you really have to have that back there? Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah, it’s just, it’s shoved in. Totally shoved in. And I mean really shoved in. And by the way, folks, I’ve seen movies where they’ll shove in a Christian message.
SPEAKER 01 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
That has nothing to do with the movie. I don’t like that either, even though I’m a born-again right-wing Christian. You know, I should love that, right? No. If it doesn’t fit in the movie, I don’t want it shoved in. Here, the gay agenda was shoved in at several little points. And, you know, when it happens once, you’re like, eh. Twice? Okay. Three times. All right, all right, I got it. I got you the first couple times. Four times! Oh, all right then. You know, it gets old. Okay, next. For Christians, the philosophy of this movie can be offensive, but I will say this. It pretty much mocks all religions.
SPEAKER 20 :
It does. It didn’t pick out any one particular.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, not badly. So, you know, there you go. What do I think of Eternity? Well, Rotten Tomatoes gave Eternity 79%. Pretty strong score. Yeah, that’s actually a pretty good score for Rotten Tomatoes. I mean, Wicked for Good got 69. Okay. I know, the first one got 88, the second one 69. I’m just going to say, the second one is not as good as the first.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, that’s just because Act 2 of Wicked always is the worst part of the musical.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is. Let’s talk about Wicked for just a second here. I don’t know why they didn’t combine these into one movie and edit out a ton of stuff. They really should have. The second one had some of the worst pacing I have seen in a long time. Just terrible. And the music wasn’t as good either as the first.
SPEAKER 19 :
I can tell you exactly why, Andy. They split it up so that in part two, which, again, Act Two of Wicked has the least amount of songs in the musical. They split it up so that in part two they can add original songs so that they can have an Oscar bid for best original song.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, well, that’s great. And, you know, another reason they did it is they wanted to make more money. That too. Get all the groupies to buy two tickets instead of one, which I think is really hilarious since the leads of this movie are a couple total Marxists, okay, who rant against capitalism in every way they possibly can. And what do they do? They put out two movies instead of one so they can make more money. Okay, that’s enough of Wicked for Good. What about Eternity? Well, Rotten Tomatoes said 79%. I’m not going to go that strong.
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think because it isn’t that strong. I’m going to give it three stars. This was just not that good of a movie. Not bad. It had some moments throughout. But, folks, if you want to watch an afterlife movie, and by the way, I’m talking about a totally new age one, but it’s much more entertaining, watch Defending Your Life. Rent it. It’s worth it. What do you think, Corey?
SPEAKER 20 :
Totally agree. If you want to go to the movies, go ahead and see Eternity. Just don’t have your really high hopes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, don’t have high hopes. Next, political, I knocked it down to two stars. Not a lot, but knocked it down to two. More religious, one and a half.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, because while it didn’t beat you over the head with it, it did beat you a little bit over the head.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, it just kept getting pushed in.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Ashley. Carter. Okay, and my blushing bride. Corey. There we go. And Corey, I got a question for you. We’ve known each other, what, a few years? A couple. Are you ready for a movie? Duh. Duh. Okay, that was good. That was good. Okay, our animal friends are back for more laughs in Zootopia 2. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me ask you something. Do you think we’re a good team?
SPEAKER 03 :
Of course. I just wish I knew what we had to do to prove it to everyone else. We check the perimeter, snoop a little, we find nothing, we bail.
SPEAKER 07 :
No snake has set foot in Zootopia in forever.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s a snake! Ah!
SPEAKER 11 :
Snakes aren’t the bad guys. I have to set things right. And when I do, my family will finally be able to come home. Woo!
SPEAKER 07 :
Hops and Wiles. Dream Team. On the ground! Help me save them! I would like to call a partner meeting. I want the fox and that rabbit. Do you know how many mayors they’ve already destroyed? One, two… I got up to two. All right, carrots, any idea where you want to start? Yeah!
SPEAKER 11 :
If you want to find you a reptile, I am your gal. Breathe it in. Zootopia has a secret reptile population. Just let me handle the locals.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Seen a snake? Nope. Wee Cannonball!
SPEAKER 04 :
I got eyes on them! In pursuit!
SPEAKER 03 :
We have to solve their case. It’s not worth dying for. Judy! Nick!
SPEAKER 12 :
Good luck! I love you!
SPEAKER 07 :
When you two save the city, maybe everyone will see reptiles ain’t that different.
SPEAKER 08 :
Huh.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, then. That is Zootopia 2. Well, Jennifer Goodwin and Jason Bateman, they star as Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde, a bunny and a fox who are now partner cops on the police force in Zootopia. Unfortunately, they blow another undercover op. It doesn’t go well. And Chief Bogo, who, by the way, is played by one of my personal favorites, Idris Elba. Love that guy. He sends them to partner’s therapy with Dr. Fusby, who’s played by Quinta Brunson. But a new story is brewing behind the scenes in Zootopia. A viper named Gary the Snake, played by Kei-Hui Kwan. Do you know him? I have never heard of him before. He’s good. I like him. He’s in a lot of stuff. And he is the first reptile Zootopia seen in a century. Well, this sets off a mystery with Judy and Nick discovering the dark side of the city’s history by infiltrating off-the-record parties and high-level galas. In time, the truths about Zootopia will test their friendship and endanger their jobs. After all, can two such different characters really be partners? One’s a rabbit, the other’s a fox. One’s hyper-motivated, the other is super laid back. Can this work? While hashing out differences, Judy and Nick must tangle with powerful political forces led by the Lynx family. Yes, this is the first time I’ve ever seen these cats as villains. The Lynxes.
SPEAKER 20 :
Never would have thought about it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wouldn’t have thought of it either, but they made pretty good villains. Okay, anyway, we have battles and laughs, including a return of Zootopia’s favorite character, the DMV Sloth.
SPEAKER 20 :
He was awesome.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, everybody loves him. But can Judy and Nick root out evil in time to save Zootopia? And that is the story of Zootopia. Corey, what do you think?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, it sounded like a really great premise.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, we’ll leave it there. What works in Zootopia? Well, the opening is good with Nick joining Judy as a cop. There’s also some nice catching up for those who missed the first film. That was very helpful, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
It was. I was able to follow it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that made it a lot better. Probably the funniest part of the film is the partner’s therapy.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, that was awesome.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that was good. So it was like couple therapy, but partner therapy, and they got to get along, and the cop was doing it. I enjoyed that. It’s one of the very few times where the female character actually gets some criticism because she’s very controlling.
SPEAKER 20 :
Very, and impulsive.
SPEAKER 05 :
And impulsive. And she just railroads them all the time. And one thing we’ve really noticed, and Corey and I were talking about this last night, is so many of these Disney cartoons, virtually none of them, or maybe none of them, have guys in charge of anything anymore.
SPEAKER 20 :
No, they don’t. It’s really unfortunate because this poor fox, he’s making some really good points. Like, hey, we need to slow down and think about this. And she’s just charging ahead and honestly endangering both of their lives.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And he’s kind of like, could we have a confab here? You know. Partner meeting. Yes, partner meeting. And this was rather unusual for Disney, and it’s become a real thing. Disney, it’s girl boss, girl boss, girl boss, girl boss, girl boss. And it has gotten to the point where I honestly think young boys, little boys have got to be getting a complex growing up on Disney movies like this because boys are just forbidden to be in any kind of – if they’re in any kind of a powerful position, they almost have to be a villain. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, yeah, their roles are minimized.
SPEAKER 19 :
Their roles are minimized, and it’s sort of ironic considering the lengths that Disney has gone to to try to market their movies to both girls and boys. The whole, you know, adjective movie titles were all because, oh, well, boys don’t want to go see a princess movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, but they couldn’t do it, could they? No. Disney, and in the old princess movies, guess what? There were boys who had good roles, and some were even in charge. what oh my goodness perish the thought perish the thought a guy who’s actually a hero who actually rescues the maiden oh my goodness we can’t have that kill him okay and that’s basically what disney has done and um i really enjoyed this and in the couples the partners therapy they actually show some of her weaknesses And it was it was interesting for Disney. OK, the best part of the film, however, is when both lead characters confess their personal issues and feelings. It’s an overreveal. That’s very fast and very funny. Right. It was it was one of the best parts of the movie. Yeah, it really. And by the way, at that point, the movie really needed to pick me up. Yes, it had just gone. It derailed. Can we say it had derailed?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, we weren’t hearing anybody laugh.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, not at all. There’s a scene climbing a cliff that shows some very good cartoonistry. I was impressed by that. Agreed. Okay, that’s about it. What doesn’t work in Zootopia 2? Well, first of all, too long! Oh my goodness, this was too long, folks. Could easily have cut 30 minutes and several characters. And you wouldn’t have missed a thing, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
Right, because it was just cluttery.
SPEAKER 05 :
Totally cluttery. Yeah. I mean, we’ll get to more of that. In fact, it seemed like the minor characters were almost all complete boars, crashing boars. And they’re trying to make these funny characters that they insert for, you know, a jolt of humor. Okay, well, they better be funny. All right. They better be funny. They weren’t funny. One big one is a beaver. And she is some sort of conspiracy journalist. She doesn’t work at all. No, she’s not funny. No, she’s not funny. She’s terrible. And the humor level is far too low. Lots of forced jokes that don’t hit. The biggest problem, biggest problem is the totally scattered plot. Oh my goodness. OMG. It’s so complex. With so many moving parts, the characters have to over explain each plot point and strategy to help kids. So here, because you’ve got to get to this point and find this and find that and go find this and discover that. And then you elude these people while you’re getting here and going there. And there’s so many parts, moving parts. They have to actually slow it down and walk through it and explain it for the kids.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, they were literally explaining what they were doing.
SPEAKER 19 :
You know your movie has hit rock bottom when you have to explain the plot of your movie in the movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s like having to explain a joke after telling it. Yeah. It’s not good. It ruins it.
SPEAKER 20 :
The only time that worked was Finding Nemo. Yeah. That was hilarious. And, you know, that’s actually what I felt like this movie was trying to do was create all of these side characters like Finding Nemo did where, you know, you had the shark, you had the turtle. But those characters were hilarious. They were awesome. It did not work in this movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it didn’t work at all. It was really swing and a miss. It’s so complex with so many moving parts. And frankly, I was lost much of the time. Okay, I’m 62. I’m not a kid. Okay, I’m, you know, literally 10 times the average age of the people going into this movie and I was lost.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t know if that’s a flex.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Well, just being honest here. I was lost most of the time. What are we doing next? Why? Huh? Excuse me? What? You know, WT. I won’t say it. You know, it was ridiculous. I was lost. This was not well put together. There’s some ridiculous agenda throughout. Early on, we have a cross-dressing sheep being sheared. That’s hard to explain. I won’t go into it. There was no point, no laughs. And Disney’s girl boss ethic did rear its ugly head again after a while. At least they were able to contain it for a little while. All in all, Zootopia is just a mess. Yeah. I mean, I think that that sums it up, doesn’t it? It’s a mess.
SPEAKER 19 :
It does. I think that sums up all of Disney’s sequels recently. They just cannot pick a plot point, so they’re all a mess. Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Exactly. There’s no focus. There’s no real writing. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
You see, in the early days, Disney, when they would do Toy Story 2, Pixar, you know, Disney, Pixar, they’d do Toy Story 2 was still good. Why? Totally new story and well done. Yeah. OK. And they mixed in all the characters really well. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Going right through them. There’s none of that anymore. They just don’t have the talent. OK. And maybe Disney just doesn’t have the people on set who can actually pull this off. I know they’re losing boatloads of money over there.
SPEAKER 20 :
I don’t know. I mean, I think a lot of the problem, though, was they were trying to do too much and they didn’t edit.
SPEAKER 19 :
They didn’t edit. And I mean, just from the description, it sounds like, you know, they were just trying to rehash certain plot points from the original Zootopia. Can they work together? We learned that in the original Zootopia that they can.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
You know, political intrigue. Well, that already happened in the first one. We don’t have to have that in the second one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. They should have taken them working together and developed a whole new plot point with them. OK, not return to the same one, not rehash it, because you’re basically saying we’ve run out of ideas and they have. This was not a good movie, folks. Too many plot points. We don’t need virtually no editing whatsoever. Have you ever watched a batch of the deleted scenes from one of your favorite films?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK, how are they?
SPEAKER 19 :
Some sometimes they’re the best scenes in the movie. So at the same time, you’re like, oh, that’s a good that’s a good thing that that was cut.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Most of the time they’re bad.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK. I mean, every now and then there’s one like you’re like, hey, that would have been good. But I would say at least four out of five of these scenes, you’re like, oh, yeah, that was boring. I can see why they dropped that. Well, this movie, most of this film felt like watching a big series of deleted scenes. Especially through the middle. I’m watching a bunch of scenes that would have been cut out of a good movie.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and also I was sitting there and I’m like, okay, so they’re trying to save this. And then they would go off on the second plot point or the third plot point. And I’m like, wait, I thought we were focused on that. But now we’re changing over here. We have to save this instead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And here’s the big problem, folks. Kids can’t follow that. No.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, let’s be honest. Some of the best kids movies have A plot, B plot.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
You can’t have a kid’s movie that has A plot, B plot, C plot, D plot, E plot. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, 15 steps to get where you need to get so where you finally find the treasure that you need to rescue whoever and whatever. Look, this wasn’t working. Now, I understand, folks. I understand kids just want to see Rabbit and Fox on screen, pretty things, and kids don’t care. I get it. But to a degree, they do. We’ve all seen kids watch something like, I know I’m getting old here, but Finding Nemo. Where they are just engrossed in what’s going on on the screen. And they love it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Or cars. Because here’s my biggest argument. Those movies are not afraid to be quiet. And it’s movies. It’s TV shows. It’s everything for kids anymore. It’s all loud. It’s constant stimulation. It’s every five seconds something new is going off or playing or happening. It’s crazy. But the old movies, they weren’t afraid to be quiet. And that engrosses you in the movie. Exactly. Exactly. That’s a really good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it worked a lot better, didn’t it? Yeah. Because they allowed kids to have emotions other than sugar high excitement. Yes. You can actually get invested in characters. Guess what? A five year old can really get invested in a character, too.
SPEAKER 20 :
Actually, that’s true. I remember taking my little brother to see Toy Story 2 and he was like three, I think. And he ended up sitting on my lap. And when at the end, when they’re trying to catch the plane, he was bouncing up and down in my lap going, catch him, catch him, go faster. I mean, I didn’t see any kids acting like that in this movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. When you think about a movie like Cars, you would think, well, kids, why would kids care about an old town that the road doesn’t go to anymore? OK, why would that be important? Why would kids care at all about a town falling apart because it’s no longer next to the highway? And guess what? They did. They loved it. They loved Radiator Springs. They couldn’t get enough. Why? Because the characters drew them in and they cared deeply about the characters. They cared about this old car. Was it the Hudson Hornet? Yeah. Yeah. OK. And, you know, teaching the young car some some new tricks. And you also had a good romance in there and it was done in a way and the kids loved it. And the kids were pulled along by the story and they just absolutely loved it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think Cars also kind of starts why Disney is doing this thing of, oh, let’s fit as many characters, supposedly funny characters, as we can in a show. It’s because they came out with Cars, and they’re like, Lightning McQueen is going to be the favorite character. He wasn’t. It was Mater. They came out with Moana, and they’re like, oh, Moana’s going to be the favorite. No, people loved Pua and Heihei. They don’t know which characters people are going to latch onto and find funny, so they’re like, let’s just throw everything but the kitchen sink at the wall and see what sticks.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and now let me make the point on Zootopia 2. Zootopia 2 doesn’t have a mater. No. There is no mater in Zootopia 2 who can really, I mean, my gosh, a chicken who couldn’t speak in Moana was funnier than any of the side characters in Zootopia 2, right? Totally. Yeah, I mean, the water was funnier than any of the side characters in Zootopia 2. Okay, we’re talking about non-speaking characters. They were better. I guess I’m not just talking about Zootopia 2, am I? I’m really talking about recent Disney.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And it’s not just, you know, set aside the whole thing with their agenda. Girl boss, girl boss, girl boss. That’s gotten old. OK. And it hasn’t just not just for me. I think girls are getting tired.
SPEAKER 20 :
I was tired of it because I was watching this rabbit. I’m like, will you please listen to your partner?
SPEAKER 05 :
Let him lead once.
SPEAKER 19 :
Young girls are getting tired of it in everything. We’re tired of this whole thing of like, oh, to be a girl boss, you have to wear pants and be better than the guy and do all this cool action hero stuff. And it’s like, well, no, I can be a girl boss and still wear a dress and be chill and fun and still do girly things.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what I think the market is screaming at Disney today? You’re wrong. Yeah. You are wrong. Both genders are great. Love them both. And they’re different. And that’s fine. And it’s great. Although not in the second hour today when we do chick flicks and you guys dominate me. But generally… Genders are awesome. And Disney has totally forgotten that both genders are awesome. They’ve totally forgotten that the two genders can be themselves, be together and have fun. When you had Lightning McQueen and I forget the name of the girl, Sally and Sally, they were totally boy and girl. Yes. Okay. There was no crossover. There was no ambiguity there. They were boy, they were girl. And you had the Hudson, you had the Hudson Hornet, sorry. And you had them and they were totally themselves and they were comfortable in themselves and they weren’t having to remake themselves. And guess what, Disney? It worked. And now what you’re doing today doesn’t work. You know why? It’s not natural and it’s not fun. And by the way, you don’t have very good writers either. I’m getting a little mad at Disney. Can you tell?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I can tell. I mean, I’ve felt the same way. And they clearly don’t have writers. I don’t know if you heard this, but their CEO announced that they’re going to start allowing normal people to release AI content on Disney Plus because they’re out of ideas. Oh, my.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, does anything scream I’m desperate more than that? No. Wow. I mean, that’s wow. Yeah. We have run out of ideas. Folks, Zootopia 2. Let’s take a look at this. Rotten Tomatoes gave it 92 percent. Why? Yeah. Corey, tell me. What do you think? 92 percent. Somebody paid them. That’s four and a half stars out of five. No. It’s called Disney. Disney paid them.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, yeah. OK, that’s fair. But I mean, come on. Give me.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’ve got to be kidding me. We’re giving this, and we talked on this last night, two stars. Two stars. And I’ll be honest, for me personally, it was more like, what was it for you, Corey, personally? One. Okay, one. I’m giving it two for general audiences, and that includes kids who like nothing. You can jangle keys in front of their face, and they really enjoy that, okay? I mean, really, kids have a very… high threshold for what they’re willing to put up with. And because of that, I do believe that they’ll watch Zootopia 2 and get some fun out of it. But folks, this is a boring movie, okay? Political 2, just a little bit knocked down. More religious, same thing. 2, just a little bit knocked down. Do I recommend going to Zootopia 2? uh do you have a choice i mean if you got kids there’s really nothing else to go to right now that’s going to be any fun at all so i guess you have to but um bring your phone check this check the scores okay or if you don’t have to go to a movie and waste the money don’t do it pick something on streaming or on tv exactly you know what put cars back on the screen the kids are going to love it a lot more sound good
SPEAKER 20 :
Sounds good to me.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with my blushing bride, Cori. And Ashley? Carter. Carter, okay. We’ve got a couple minutes left here. Explain chick flicks to me. Now, let me give you my theory because I managed at movie theaters for seven years. Guys like to watch a lot of people die quickly. Girls like to watch one person die slowly. Usually with some debilitating disease. Am I right?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I guess. I would define a chick flick as pretty much anything where the main focus is either a very conventionally attractive man or a very, like, slow burn romance.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
And it’s usually something that a guy would just roll their eyes at and go, can we get to the point already?
SPEAKER 20 :
Right. It’s a path of discovery. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And right now I’m asking for all men out there. So men, listen into the two women here. What do girls really like more? I mean, do they like the perfect vision of manhood in Thor or do they like somebody a little more rugged and real? I mean, you know, not unattractive, but, you know, what do girls like on the screen the most? Just give me the perfect guy like guys wanting the perfect hottie on the screen. What do you look for?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, boy. That’s a hard one. I think it’s dependent on different women’s types. But, I mean, for the longest time, the ideal was Channing Tatum. If you get Channing Tatum on screen, they’ll watch it. Big hunky guy. Yeah. In the past, it was Patrick Swayze.
SPEAKER 20 :
Mm-hmm. Or how about Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan? Tom Hanks, no offense, he’s not a Christian Bale.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, not a great looking guy, but women just went nuts for him. Denzel Washington in his prime, women fell over themselves to get into the theater to see him.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think a lot of it is, is he relatable? Yeah, is he relatable? How does he carry himself? Is he somebody that I could imagine myself with for the rest of my life?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, ten seconds each. What makes a chick flick?
SPEAKER 19 :
I have no idea. Romance.
SPEAKER 05 :
Romance, generally romance, Corey? I would say romance in the relationships. I think it’s suffering. I think women want to see suffering because every time you have like a cancer death, AIDS death, any kind of slow, torturous death, and we knew this at the theaters, we would literally have to stock up on chocolate. I’m not kidding. Okay. And they would want to watch and watch and watch. Is Steel Magnolias that way? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There you go. Well, there were no guys watching Steel Magnolias. We don’t want to see that.
SPEAKER 19 :
Chick flicks are tear jerkers. In some ways.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. They like to cry. Well, that’s it for hour number one. In hour two, movie rental hour is going to be chick flicks. So get us your favorite ideas at 303-477-5600. Give us a call. Or you can text us at 307-200-8222. John Rush will try to relay it to me from the beach. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy.
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