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John and Andy tackle the complex interface between globalism and spirituality, questioning popular narratives around international politics. In a deep dive, they explore the biblical prophecies concerning global governance, sparking thought-provoking discussions on how current events may tie into age-old predictions. Later, they lighten the tone with a review of the film ‘Until Dawn’, dissecting its chilling premise and supernatural elements.
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It’s finally Friday on Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. So I tell him I’m a pro jack. And who do you think they give you? The Dalai Lama himself. So we finish 18, and he’s going to sniff me. And I say, hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know? And he says, oh, it won’t be any money. And when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness. So I got that going. And movie reviews with Andy Payne.
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I think that you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.
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What I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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Chief Lane, what do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. Stick a fork in me, Jerry. I’m done. Now, here is your host of Rush to Reason, John Rush.
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All right, happy Friday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and how’s Andy?
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Andy’s doing pretty well. And may I bring up this moment to mention that how many times did you and I tell people to stop freaking out about the stock market? We told Jordan that. We told Jordan it’ll gradually keep coming back. The thing got down into, I believe, 36-something, right, at one point.
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Didn’t it edge under 37?
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I think that’s right, yes. I think you’re correct, yes. And what did it do today, John? It topped 41,000.
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Yeah, I was watching that a little bit earlier today. Little by little. I don’t watch it super closely, Andy. It’s not a huge thing. But 41,317 is what it closed at.
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Right, after two straight good job report months. And don’t get me wrong, it’s going to go up and down. It’s going to fluctuate, of course. But it’s been fluctuating up consistently now for a few weeks. And I’m just loving it.
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I’m loving it. Despite all of the tariff porn, fear porn that’s being promoted by the media.
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How many times do we tell people, look, guys, first of all, the initial shock is going to set in. And then you’re going to start hearing rumblings about deals. And then you’re going to start seeing deals.
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Well, and the reality is the majority of the tariffs, even on the China side, I talked about this yesterday, but the majority of tariffs, if the average person just shut off the TV, stopped reading anything news-wise on any of the social media outlets that are out there, and just went around and minded their own business, Andy, they would see little to no change at all.
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Americans are barely noticing these tariffs are in place. Meanwhile, in China, they’re rioting. They’re losing jobs. They’re being thrown out of their factories. Okay, it is exactly as Scott Besson said from the start. We buy about five times as much from them as they do from us. They need us as a customer.
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We are the customer.
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We’re the customer.
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Which, again, we keep reminding everybody of, Andy, on this program, that others, and of course the news media is never going to admit that, the left’s never going to admit that, but we are the customer.
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Why has America gotten sucked into the idea over the last several decades, really, that we have no leverage? Here we are, the world’s biggest customer, main customer, the one everyone wants to sell to. I have the answer. And they’re acting like we have no leverage.
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I have the answer. Go ahead. Richard and I spent quite a bit of time talking about this a little bit earlier in the week. In some of this, I’m not going to get super spiritual, but there’s a lot of folks out there, and they’ve got time that we can cover this.
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Okay.
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First of all, that’s because the globalists. The globalists have fed into our school system, our media. They’ve been doing it now, Andy, for the past 50 plus years. They’ve been pushing this one world globalist movement, which, by the way, is hugely due to the spiritual end of things as to how this world will end when it’s all said and done. Because without a one world government, the Antichrist cannot set up what he wants for his dominion when it’s all said and done. There’s nothing to run. There’s nothing to run without a one world government. So I will tell you that all of those people, whether they know it or not, that are in favor of globalism are a part of the Antichrist movement, period. No matter how you want to sum it up, those of you that are even on the church end of things that are all for the globalism end of things, you are very much a part of that as Satan himself is.
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Well, let’s keep in mind also, globalism, where did it start? Tower of Babel. Thank you, Andy.
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Okay, I mean, it’s right there. And it’s just repeating itself all over again.
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We will all unite together, and as one people, we will rise to greater heights and build a greater tomorrow as one.
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Anytime I see anybody on social media talk about Trump being the Antichrist, I want to just laugh until I’m crying, because whether you like Trump or not— Spiritually speaking, no, Trump is not the Messiah. No, Trump is not the Antichrist, because everything Trump is doing is anti-Antichrist.
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All Trump is – Am I right, Andy?
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It’s anti-globalism, meaning it’s anti-antichrist.
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Anti-globalism is anti-antichrist. Correct. Absolutely. What Trump really is is an America first president.
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Right. And whether he knows it or not – That doesn’t work with globalism. Whether he even understands the spiritual ramifications of that, which frankly I would highly suggest he probably doesn’t, but really he’s doing as much in what he’s doing now in the White House and those around him are doing – to stave off the Antichrist as anybody else out there is. Right. So for those of you that are in the spiritual end of things and have any kind of literacy along those lines, I hope you would take the time to look at what I just said and realize that, like him or not, he’s doing things to push off the second coming of Christ And I get it. There’s a lot of people out there who say, well, why would you want to push that off, John? Don’t we want that to happen? No, we don’t. And here’s why, folks. What does God himself say when it comes to those coming to him? Not one should perish. No, not one. Right, Andy? In other words, God’s given us this free will. But it is his desire that we would all come to him, right, Andy?
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Yeah, people don’t seem to understand. You’ve got some of these Christians who look around the world and say, oh, my gosh, it’s such a miserable place. Christ, please come. Please come. I can’t take anymore. And God’s looking down here saying, I can be with you right now. Don’t you understand? I’m there already.
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Wrong answer, dude.
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I’m next to you on the couch. I’m with you.
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Oh, by the way, aren’t you supposed to be out rounding up as many as possible? And if we can turn the tide and keep that second coming from happening even a little bit longer, more will come to me? Yes, but think about it.
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Those people who look and say, why won’t he come soon, come soon, come soon? When you say that, you’re saying that out of a desire for comfort, not out of a desire for purpose and impact.
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That’s right. So, again, folks, I could go off for a long time on that whole topic. I won’t because I know that’s not the type of program that we have on a daily basis. But I wanted to throw that out there, especially on this Friday as we just rolled out of Easter and all of that. And we’re rolling now into the rest of the year. And the reality is that Trump is about as anti-Antichrist as anybody you will find. He is not the Antichrist because anybody that would be this much against globalism cannot be.
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Right. And not just Trump. Anyone who’s anti-globalist.
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Yeah. Thank you, Andy.
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Is against the system that is necessary for the Antichrist.
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That’s right. Whether they know it or not.
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Yeah, yeah. Whether they know it or not.
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They could be a total atheist. They may have other motives outside of that, but that’s exactly what’s happening, Andy.
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You could be talking about John Stossel. Guess what? Same thing.
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Absolutely. So just a little lesson for all of you listening, and hopefully you can use some of that in your day to day, you know, talk and walk and around the water cooler and so on. And any of you that see anybody that posts and says anything to the effect that Trump is the Antichrist, number one, that tells you that’s a very misguided and frankly, uneducated person, spiritually speaking. And I mean that in all sincerity, because they just don’t know scripture and how things work when they say something as ludicrous as that.
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Right.
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I’ll leave it at that. All right. With that, we’ll take a break. We’ll come back. Movies. What are we doing today, Andy? Okay.
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First, we’re going to do Until Dawn and then Thunderbolts.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate and John. It’s been a couple weeks here. I’m ready. Okay. Are you ready for a movie?
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Absolutely.
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All right. Well, John, how many times can you die?
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Well, once in my world.
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No, no, no, no. Quite a few if you’re waiting until dawn.
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Wait. I can’t. I can’t.
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No, please stop! Help us!
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Up the road. There’s a place, stuck in time. What is that?
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Every time we die, we find ourselves back here again. But the night is never the same.
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We’re here again.
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But the night is never the same. Every night, something new is trying to kill us.
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Something new is trying to kill us.
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What is that? What is that? If we want to survive, we have to make it until dawn.
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I want out. Until dawn. Will you let me out?
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Up the road, that’s where people get into trouble.
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All right, John, if someone says that, where do you not go? Up the road. Up the road, okay. But, you know, come on, not in this movie. Well, the film begins with a young woman desperately crawling out of an underground cavern in the woods. We later learn her name is Melanie. Well, soon she encounters a masked man with a large blade, and as he closes in for the kill, she pleads with him, saying, No, not again! A year later, five friends are driving in the woods. One is Clover. She’s played by Ella Rubin. She’s a young actress you may have seen before. And she’s looking for closure after her sister, Melanie, disappeared there a year ago. Retracing Melanie’s steps, Clover hopes to find her or at least learn what happened. Now, the other four are Clover’s ex-boyfriend, Max, semi-psychic friend, Megan, tough party girl, Nina, and Nina’s psych major boyfriend, he’s a psych major, Abe. Now, the quintet, they stop at an old general store where Clover shows a picture of her sister to the creepy old storekeeper, Dr. Hill. That’s who you heard talking there. He says he’s seen her, but that she went up to Glore Valley, where a lot of people have gone missing. Okay, get the idea. Don’t open that door. Now, if they say don’t open that door, what are they absolutely going to do in a horrible way? Open the door. Open the door. He says, don’t go up to Glor Valley. Where are they going, John? They’re going up there. They’re going up to Glor Valley. Well, naturally, the group goes to Glor Valley. Ominously, they must travel through a downpour that abruptly stops when they reach the visitor center. And I mean abruptly. It’s a wall. A rain wall, right behind them, which is, of course, pretty freaky. Well, this center is abandoned, so we’ve got a classic cabin-in-the-woods feel, right? As night falls, the killing starts. Big, blade-wielding guy slays them with ease. Movie over, right? Wrong. They all wake up alive with the evening starting over. I haven’t given away anything, because that’s all in the trailer. Now they’re stuck in a time loop in which they must search for clues and figure out how to get out of this perpetual hell. But unlike Happy Death Day, the night isn’t the same every time, so they can’t just prepare for one killer. There are undead kills, demonic kills, even the water can kill. But eventually, they learn one key fact. You either survive the night or you become part of it. There is also an hourglass, and there’s sand going down through it. Somehow, they must survive one night until the sand runs out. And that’s the story of Until Dawn.
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What do you think? Doesn’t sound bad.
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Not too bad. Well, what works in Until Dawn? First of all, you have, I think, an interesting premise, don’t you? Yeah, pretty interesting. Lots of personal dynamics are in this movie, with characters helping each other and turning on each other. So you’ve got some of the interplay between them. There are also plot twists, as an unexpected villain emerges. Now, you have cool special effects with the rain wall. Very cool. You can tell they spent a few bucks on that, and I liked it. There’s plenty of gore, of course, for the slasher fans. And they also have a really good timing on the kills, you know, where you stress out the tension enough, but not too quickly. So some come quick, some are dragged out more, and they mix it up really well to keep the tension throughout the movie. That’s important. But what doesn’t work in Until Dawn? Well, first of all, no explanation of either the time loop nor the almost unkillable nature of the villain. Think about that for a moment. No explanation. Since these are the two central elements of the movie, we’re just left hanging, and it’s really frustrating. Let’s see here. These are five beautiful young actors who can’t act. Not very well, okay? I mean, really, they’re saying their lines, but you almost expect to see all five of them on some midday soap. They’re just not very good. Also, there wasn’t enough humor, and a lot of these young, hip, you know, kind of… teenage slasher movies you mix in a fair amount of humor especially ever since the scream movies you always want to mix in some humor and keep it going right it peps it along they have a little but not nearly enough and they needed more uh at one time a character is possessed oh okay well that’s pretty big right but then the storyline that storyline goes nowhere they wasted it hmm I mean, that’s a cool storyline and they don’t do anything with it. I’m just like, okay, I guess we’ll just leave that loose end too. And another time, a villain is revealed who is studying them. But how is he controlling any of the supernatural events? I mean, this whole time loop phenomenon. Again, no explanation. This thing is nothing but loose ends. Okay. I mean, have you ever seen somebody who just came in out of the wind and their hair is everywhere?
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That’s this movie. Loose ends everywhere, John. And you’re just kind of like, why any of it? Okay, why is this all happening? I mean, we understand what they got to do to get through it. They got to survive the night. I get that. Okay, at least that part makes sense. But what’s going on here? Why is this going on? Are you maybe prepping for a sequel? I hope not, because I don’t think this is going to make the money for a sequel. All right. Rotten Tomatoes gave Until Dawn 52%. I think that’s too rich. I’m giving it one and a half stars for quality. It just wasn’t very good. It was boring. It was not very funny. The characters weren’t very well acted. It wasn’t all that well written. And the one thing that was good about it was the director, whoever the director is, did a good job timing the kills and so forth, which is always important. I’ve seen a lot of horror movies where that’s not the case. They drag it out way too long or they go too quick. Political three.
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So quality again really quick?
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Quality one and a half.
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One five. Really quick. Somebody also texted a moment ago and said, sounds like Groundhog Day, only a horror movie.
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Right. But if you want to watch Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day was great. Yeah. If you want to watch Groundhog Day, only a slasher movie, you watch Happy Death Day.
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Okay.
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Which is, by the way, a funny movie.
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Okay.
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Definitely worth watching. So watch Happy Death Day where they actually reference Groundhog Day.
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Okay.
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Political three doesn’t say anything. That’s nice. More religious, two, just because. Because of what it is. Because of what it is. So there you go. Until Dawn. Do I recommend going to Until Dawn? Not only do I not recommend it, I’m not saying it’s a horrible movie. I’ve seen much worse. But they’re putting out so many horror movies lately, and many are quite good. Wait for the next one.
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There’ll be a better one coming along.
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Yeah, wait until after dawn.
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Okay.
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All right? There you go.
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The best export we have is Common Sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate and John. Are you ready for another movie? Absolutely. Yeah, after a couple weeks, you are ready for another movie. Absolutely.
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Yes, I am. Definitely.
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Okay, well, John, would you agree that Marvel needs a serious kickstart?
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You think?
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Yeah. Let’s see if they get it in the Thunderbolts.
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We have no reliable heroes. And yet we still need protection. Witness the invincible, stronger than all of the Avengers rolled into one, and soon to be known as Earth’s Mightiest Hero.
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Why would a god take orders from anyone at all? Maybe I need to show you what I’m capable of.
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Sentry’s gone off the rails and he’s dangerous. Avengers, you’re gone. No one is coming to save the day.
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We could be the people that are coming.
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Wait, us?
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Yeah, you. Why, you got some place to be? I love that guy. Bucky, you have the wrong people. We have all done bad things.
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You can live with it forever. Or you can do something about it. Being the hero. Saving people in the streets. There is no higher calling.
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You guys done with therapy? Let’s do this.
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You may not see what I see, but this has the makings of a team that can raise to glory.
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There’s no use fighting. You’re not Earth’s mightiest heroes. No?
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All right, John, what do you think? Sound fun? Yeah, premise is. They all sound fun, though. You know, every Marvel movie sounds fun in the previews.
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True.
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Let’s see how it goes. Florence Pugh, who I love, by the way. I’m a big Florence Pugh fan. She stars as Yelena Belova. Now, she’s the sister of the Black Widow. Okay. And she’s a government assassin who begins our film on the latest of a string of missions, this one in Malaysia. Now, as usual, she’s killing and acquiring intel through brutal methods. But Yelena is wary of her role. She feels lost, aimless. So she seeks a reunion with her estranged father. You just heard him there, Alexei. Yes. He’s played by David Arbor.
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Okay.
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Funny actor, by the way. He’s always been very funny. And he has left behind his Red Guardian days and is now a limo driver. He, too, feels lost and aimless. Well, something struck me while watching these early scenes, John. This is exactly how Marvel has felt for quite some time. lost and aimless, needing some connection, a reason to go on. What they were showing with their lives in the beginning was actually kind of the Marvel universe in these characters, and that really struck me. Yelena tells her boss she wants out of the field and into a desk job. She’s had enough. But little does she know her boss, Allegra DeFontaine, played by Julia Dreyfus, has bigger problems. Well, due to unsanctioned experiments on human subjects, Allegra’s department is under fire. Allegra is hiding evidence. Deep State. Have we heard that before? She’s hiding evidence. But now, Senator Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier, played by Sebastian Stan, he wants to expose her. So when Yelena asks to leave the field, Allegra gives her one last mission. But Allegra has bad intentions, both for Yelena and those she’s targeting. Well, naturally, this winds up uniting Yelena with the others, and thus a team is formed, the Thunderbolts. This kooky name comes from Yelena’s childhood. Well, this group includes Yelena, Bucky, Red Guardian, the failed Captain America John Walker, Ava Star, who is Ghost, and Bob, a lab specimen with emerging powers. Well, the Thunderbolts must battle Allegra and their own insecurities. They’re very insecure about a lot of things they’ve done in their past. But what about Bob, right? What about Bob? Well, before long, we see shifting allegiances and rising threats, all with our hapless group fighting corruption while they fight each other. Can they win? That’s the story of the Thunderbolts. Sounds good. Yeah. Well, what works in Thunderbolts? First of all, I like this. There’s no multiverse or save the universe nonsense. I can’t take that anymore. I needed a movie off from that, didn’t you? yes yeah because it’s too confusing it’s just too confusing it gets old this is more personal and at times it’s engaging uh thunderbolts is also for anyone who has felt used and discarded in life anywhere our personal struggles mean nothing the moment our superiors feel threatened it’s true right so here you’re going through a personal struggle but your superior is feeling threatened they don’t care about you they don’t want to hear it and they can just discard you by the way don’t get don’t get vicious and kill your boss okay Because sometimes in this movie, people want to do that. There are some fun action sequences. I like that. Some very fun ones, especially one on the road. Red Guardian, played by David Arbor, brings good humor. You could tell he was really giving his all in this role. And of course, Florence Pugh is always good. She’s always good. This left politics and woke nonsense out. I like that, right? Marvel’s kind of getting that hint. Although Allegra, she did look like an evil Tulsi Gabbard.
SPEAKER 09 :
Really?
SPEAKER 05 :
She really did. Yeah, she had the little streak of gray hair on each side. Yeah. She looked a little bit like an evil Tulsi Gabbard my wife leaned over. Evil Tulsi.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
I thought that was kind of funny. All right. What doesn’t work in Thunderbolts? Well, ugh. It’s too depressing and slow, definitely. Now, there’s moments where it’s good. It opens good with Yelena, you know, and doing her thing. And then it slows down. And then it picks up a little while while they get to know each other and they’re interacting. Then it slows down some more. And then it really starts to slow down a lot. And it just doesn’t go anywhere. Yelena’s strength as a character, you know, and this is true of the actress because she’s Florence Pugh, is being witty and fun, not depressed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s depressed pretty much the whole movie, John. And that’s just not something you want to watch. She’s a funny actress. Use it! It felt longer than two hours and six minutes. Much longer. Corey was mentioning that, too. This felt like two and a half easy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it should have been an hour fifty and tighter. Now, here’s a biggie. There was virtually no chemistry between these characters. Do you remember in the Avengers, the first Avengers? They had just met. And instantly, BAM! The lines were going back and forth in the chemistry. The way they were playing off each other was fantastic. And obviously, that was because you had Tony Stark in the middle of it all, right? Because of his incredible personality. But all of them, Thor, Black Widow. David Banner, Bruce Banner, I’m sorry, being the Hulk and so forth, each one of them was contributing, and they were funny, and it was just snappy, back, forth, back, forth, back, forth, back, forth. Here they try to do that, and it just doesn’t go anywhere. They’re just not very interesting. They have a little of that repartee, but it’s not nearly as good. No chemistry between the characters. And this, in my opinion, became more of a problem as the movie went along. They were just saying lines, bickering and coping with personal regrets. It just wasn’t working. Sentry, the major villain, is very conflicted. I won’t go into why, but Sentry is one thing, then becomes another thing, which is a hard-to-explain thing, and is a very ambiguous thing, and… Yuck. Okay, ultimately the greatest battle feels like a therapy session. Boring. I don’t want that. And so many times you can imagine a funny line could have been added. There were many scenes or moments where I’m like, oh, that’s a great time for a funny line. Bam, that’s a great time for a funny line. And it doesn’t happen. Or the line isn’t that funny. It just comes up short. This is a movie… That should have been better written. They should have taken longer putting together a better script with better writers with funnier writing because they had the characters who could have pulled it off. Ghost, they barely do anything with her character. She’s just there. She’s one of the characters saying her lines, but they don’t do much with her with her personality at all. They basically don’t give her a personality. She’s just one more. The, you know, failed Captain America. He has personality. Florence Pugh, shockingly, has very little personality at all. And it was just a real waste of opportunity again and again and again throughout the movie. Now, surprisingly, Rotten Tomatoes gave Thunderbolts 88%. I don’t understand that. I can’t imagine that the crowd felt that way. I wasn’t hearing any cheering or big laughter at various lines or anything. I just saw a bunch of people watching a movie, John. I’m going to give this quality… I’m going to be nice and give it two and a half stars. It wasn’t for me. For me, it was one and a half.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was bored. Corey, about one and a half. We were bored. All right. But I’m going to say for general audiences who, quite honestly, are very forgiving for anything that’s at least Marvel, right? Marvel-ish, whatever. Superhero-y. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think general audiences will give this average movie status. And so two and a half stars. Obviously, it’s going to be the big movie of the week and maybe the big movie of a couple of weeks. Who knows? There’s not much coming out. Political three. Thank you. More religious three. Thank you. It didn’t beat up my faith or my politics. I like that. They just did a movie. They seem to be getting it. but they could have made a better movie.
SPEAKER 06 :
And really… So is there any saving them?
SPEAKER 05 :
Saving the characters?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because they’re struggling and have been.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Right? Oh, yeah. I’m trying to think what could save Marvel at this… You know what Marvel really needs, John, desperately, is another Iron Man. They need another central character whose personality is so exciting and fun that… that you love the characters around them because they’re playing off of that one character. They don’t have anyone in the center of their universe anymore. And they used to have a few. They had Iron Man. They had, well, what’s his name from Guardians of the Galaxy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then they made him boring in the last Guardians movie. He was just depressed and out of it. Is this because of Disney? Well, I’ve talked about this before. One time when you weren’t here with the guys, right? Tanner and Luke. I went through all of the white men. that Disney, the white male heroes that they had replaced with women, mostly women, some black, some black women, this. But almost every single one, they’ve gotten rid of white male heroes. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And the heroes that their personalities were at the center of the Marvel Universe were those two that I just mentioned and also Thor. Because he had a personality too, especially with his white male brother, Loki. And those two playing off each other. And I don’t care if you’re a white male. I couldn’t care less. One of my favorite characters was Black Panther, but the actor died. And that was very unfortunate. Wonderful actor. But they just haven’t found anyone to put at the middle of it. to really for the Marvel Universe to center around anymore. They’ve got nobody in the center. And so now they’ve just got a bunch of boring people kind of circulating around. Does that make sense? And I don’t really know what they’re going to do. I really don’t. Would you agree that’s what they need? I mean, they got some of that back when they did… You revived Tony Stark. I mean, when they did Deadpool and Wolverine, they got some of that back, right? But that was a one-off. And they’re not going to get another Tony Stark, so I don’t know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can they bring him back? He’s too old now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, the actor is… He’s coming back to play the villain in the next one. And, you know, that’ll be fun. I don’t know. I don’t know how excited… He’ll play Doctor Doom, which is a key villain in the Marvel Universe.
SPEAKER 06 :
I… And I’m sure he’ll do it fine. That kind of screws it up because he’s not known for that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I just don’t care either way. It’s like, look, guys… There are some tremendous young actors. You and I talk about them every week. There are some really good young actors we like. Use them. Hire them. I think it’s about time they get some more young actors. I don’t care if it’s black, white, female, whatever. It doesn’t make any difference. But get somebody good who has a really magnetic personality that you can put at the center. And they don’t have that right now. Guardians of the Galaxy, I mean, right from the first scene, he dominated. Remember? Tony Stark, right from the first scene, dominated. They need it again.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Andy, you wanted to add something else to that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, one last thing about that movie. You know what it really reminds me of? Imagine Suicide Squad without Harley Quinn. Yeah. Yeah, just depressing. Yeah. It didn’t have anybody who’s, I mean, Red Guardian is wild and flamboyant, but you don’t see him enough and he’s not good enough. Harley Quinn was a much more compelling. Harley Quinn is one of the best comic characters brought to the big screen I’ve seen. I mean, she’s hilarious. She’s not on the level of Joker. He was unbelievable, but she was great. And she almost rescued, let’s face it, without her, the Suicide Squad movies were awful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Agree. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, because they were borderline awful with her.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, they were pretty – every time she was off – But she made them. When she was off the screen, you’re just kind of yawning and saying, bring her back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Oh, okay. Well, all right, question of the day. Okay. Throw this in really quick. Name – this is today’s – name the animal whose tongue can weigh as much as an elephant.
SPEAKER 05 :
A whale?
SPEAKER 06 :
It would have to be of some kind, right? So put your answers on our Facebook page. It’s a specific whale, by the way. Name the animal whose tongue can weigh as much as an elephant. I’ll say blue whale. That’s a big tongue.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s a big tongue.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meaning, could it swallow a man like Jonah? I’m pretty sure it could. I think so, right? Not too tough, yeah. It could ski on that thing. Yeah. Wouldn’t advise it, but, you know, yeah. We’ve got a couple minutes left here of this particular hour. I know we’ll come back Tuesday, talk a little bit more about this. But I just had to get this in because I didn’t have a chance while I was gone and didn’t spend a lot of time, you know, reviewing politics and things like that. But a lot of stuff happening inside of the Colorado GOP. And there were. Different things that have come out over the past couple of weeks and all sorts of accusations being thrown around from the Davidians about how there’s no action out of this particular chair and she’s not doing anything. And why isn’t she down on Capitol Hill on the steps being the activist that she should be, which, by the way, folks, that’s not the job of the GOP chair to do, period. Absolutely, I don’t want the chair down there doing that.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Davidians are acting like the entire job of the chair of the Colorado Republican Party is to be an activist putting out statements about things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Which, by the way, do nothing.
SPEAKER 05 :
They do nothing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Statements don’t do anything.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, that is literally all… the uh dave cult um achieved while they were in power without all they did they put out statements they achieved nothing they helped no one get a lot of statements don’t do anything andy right i mean we you know you can talk about something until you’re blue in the face that’s not going to change anything yeah they divided the party in ways never done before and they put out a lot of statements about things you know which were immediately laughed off by the democrat majority I mean, what was their point?
SPEAKER 06 :
To them, that is leading the party. It’s not leading the party, folks. I talked about it in depth. I’m not going to get back into it because I’ve done it so many times that some of you are probably tired of me talking about it. But I’ve talked about what real leadership looks like. We didn’t get that out of the last individuals that were leading the party. We will see where we’re headed with the next party or the next election. folks that are in charge of the party. But I’ll tell you right now, they’re doing more in that regard than what the last party did the entire two years they were there. These guys have done more in a month than what the others did the entire time where they were there. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah. And let’s face it, in your first month, what are you really doing? First of all, you don’t even have all your people in place. Secondly, you’re doing an audit. really, of what you were left and where the money is, not just where the money is, but where the people are, where the connections are and everything. There’s the systems, all of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the other thing that cracks me up, and some of you listening are the ones I’m talking to because you do listen to me, whether you admit it or not. You’re accusing this particular leadership team of accusing the last leadership team of doing things in a very poor fashion and leaving them with a mess and so on and so forth. What do you think Dave and his cronies did from the second they entered?
SPEAKER 05 :
Dave immediately sent—I know because I would be at speaking engagements where I was speaking, and his cronies that he sent out— would like go before me and they would lay into Chrissy Burton Brown and attack their predecessors right there in a meeting where I’m there to do a training.
SPEAKER 06 :
So those of you that are accusing this leadership team of doing what you did yourself, you’re just like Democrats. Yeah. Pointing the finger at those that you did the exact same thing of. In other words, you’re doing what you’re accusing the others of doing, just like the Democrats do all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re a Democrat, basically.
SPEAKER 05 :
Only there’s one big difference that makes them even worse, John. Christie Britton Brown immediately went away.
SPEAKER 06 :
True. These guys are not.
SPEAKER 05 :
They were attacking somebody who went away. Okay. The new leadership right now is at times calling out the previous leadership because the previous leadership isn’t going away. They’re attacking them nonstop.
SPEAKER 06 :
I read this last week. There were things Dave was doing internally on documents all the way up until April the 8th. april the 8th mind you he was ousted out of office if you would in march right and yet april the 8th he is still dinking around with documents inside of the party unacceptable folks right unacceptable and i want to go one step further some of you out there listening and i would love to get a text message from you because you owe me an apology i told a lot of you one-on-one via text message that that whole lawsuit nonsense the the committee that was you know formed the you know the committee was well you were you know was out there you know trying to you know go after these individuals and so on and so forth and all of that’s been dismissed it’s gone it’s done it’s handled the fact of matter is everything andy and i talked about came to be true dismissed is too kind laughed out of court
SPEAKER 05 :
Is how I would put it. Is more like it? Oh, yeah. Matt Arnold and his attempt to try to prolong this lawsuit and attach himself to it. The court just said flat out, you have no standing.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m going to say laughed out of court. And some of you listening owe me an apology. Because I and Andy both were right on a lot of the things that we said. You were being misled. Yes. Literally being misled by those that were in charge, Dave Williams and Anna Ferguson and Hope Shuppelman. You guys were being deceived and lied to by them. And I don’t know why you guys are smarter than that. Why did you buy into that?
SPEAKER 05 :
They were telling you folks that they thought this could really go somewhere. They were going to get $100,000 back and all this. You know what? They’re probably going to wind up paying lawyers’ fees. There’s a good chance of that. They’re certainly not going to get anything. The bottom line is this, John. They were kooks.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the other thing that’s going on, being circulated right now, and there’s some folks on Facebook that are talking about how it’s wrong for the current party leadership to be bringing an outside accounting firm in. And they’re accusing this accounting firm of improprieties and so on, which, by the way, I looked into all of the improprieties. This, by the way, is an accounting firm that works specifically with PACs. and parties and so on typically on all on the gop conservative side they’re about a 30 million dollar a year company and the fact of the matter is yeah you’re probably going to find one or two fec things that didn’t quite get done exactly the way they should you’re doing 30 million dollars worth of business a year is there going to be one or two things that slips through the crack doing $30 million a year. I could find multiple companies doing that kind of volume and go pick at different things they’re doing and find multiple things, I guarantee you, that fall through the cracks because that’s what happens when you get to be that big. Does it mean they’re a bad company? No. No, of course not. No.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, I don’t even care about them. I care about what they find. Well, I do, too. If they go in and find, here’s a picture of the evil thing being done, and there’s a knife being put in, whatever. All I care about is the evidence they find. I don’t care about who finds it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I want the forensic audit done. I want to see exactly what’s done. I’ve talked about the FEC reports in the past, and some of what I felt like were a lot of shenanigans going on inside of the party, financially speaking, and one of the few hosts out there that I believe has gone through that FEC report like I’ve done. I spent an entire show one day going through it, and I hope this forensic audit comes back and proves a lot of the things that I talked about on that particular day, and I believe it will, Andy, when it’s all said and done. And a lot of you are going to owe me another apology when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Last question. Will some of the Davidians finally wake up when they see how much their leaders were lying to them?
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Live and local, back to Rush to Reason. Really quick, too, also, a couple of you texted me when Andy was on the other day talking. He and Eli and Todd were talking, and I got a couple of text messages I didn’t pass on to Andy because it wasn’t necessary at that time, but basically saying that, man, I hope you guys are okay. You’re talking about a lot of things. Is Dave and his cronies going to come after you guys? And my answer back was, no, they’re not. No, they’re not. After us for what? Exactly. We haven’t done anything that would lead. And my answer back was I would encourage them to because I’ll bury them. That’s the one thing. And I think it’s the one reason why Dave and his Davidians have not come after me personally is because they know that I personally will bury them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and also people forget there has been a wide open invitation for them to call in any of these times and counter any of our points.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead. We’ll put you on first, front of the line. Yeah, I think they know that I’ve been through a lot of these things forensically, not like what this accounting firm’s going to do, but I have found things and discovered things like the grifter Eric Grossman, who’s doing things we’ll talk about on Tuesday. So guys, hang tight. We’ll have more for you on Tuesday. But up next… Action girls, women in action movies. That’s our rental hour. Coming up next, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 09 :
The Rich Guy.
