Dive deep into a thrilling episode of Rush to Reason as guest host Andy Pate and his team explore the harrowing tale of ‘Not Without Hope,’ a true story of survival at sea. The conversation shifts between the fears of towering heights and the unimaginable depths of the ocean as they discuss movies that challenge the limits of human courage. From personal anecdotes to probing impossible questions about world geography, this episode promises an entertaining and enriching journey across various topics.
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I think that you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.
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What I do have are a very particular set of skills.
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Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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Chief Mayne, what do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. Stick a fork in me, Jerry. I’m done.
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Now, here is your host of Rush to Reason, John Rush.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice.
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush. John has taken a well-deserved day off. And I’m joined, of course, once again by Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. Man. Too much man. Too much. For anyone to handle. By the way, our first movie that we’re going to look at today. It’s going to be for men. Manly men. Athletes. By men, for men, huh? Yes. Out at sea. Wow. Trying to survive. That’ll be interesting. We’ll talk about that in a little bit here. You guys having a good day?
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So far, so good.
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So far, so good? Busy. Are you getting ready for the holidays?
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Yeah. Yeah, buying a lot of gifts. It’s expensive.
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Yes, it really is, and I’m going to go broke on that. Really quick here, in Hour 2, we’re going to be looking at movies of the sea. Why? Because our first movie today is called Not Without Hope, and it’s going to be looking at four guys, once again, who are lost out at sea. I wanted to ask you guys, what scares you more, heights or depths? Okay, so if you’re way up high or if you’re way down underwater, what scares you more?
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I’ve never been that far underwater or ground. Oh, you haven’t? So I think that would be scarier. I don’t like heights in the first place, but thinking of a shark or some creature I’ve never seen before coming up and tickling my feet in the water sounds pretty scary.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sharks terrify me. And by the way, they don’t tickle.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 12 :
They rip your legs off.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s only a couple breeds of sharks that they’re scared of us, and they’re fun to swim with.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, really? And by the way, I speak from experience. I used to be much taller. Yeah, that explains it. I mean, how about you? Heights or depths?
SPEAKER 13 :
Depths are infinitely scarier.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because you’ve seen the movies, right? Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, also, put me as high as you want. I’ve jumped out of airplanes before. It’s fine. But I also lived in San Diego, and you step on a stingray once. Even if it doesn’t sting you, you feel it flutter under your feet. It sends a shiver through your spine.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Hate that.
SPEAKER 12 :
See, when I watch something, and some of these movies, of course, are going to be, some of my favorites are submarine movies. They scare me.
SPEAKER 03 :
They are.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, my gosh. You know, when they get hit, and they’re taken on water. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Being trapped in a metal thing super far down with that pressure, I couldn’t imagine. I mean, we saw those people a year or two ago make their own movie by going down into the depths with their own submarine and it didn’t really work out for them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely terrifying. Although I’m going to say probably for me it’s heights. Once again, the movie Fall. Am I still the only one who’s seen that?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think you’re the only one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, guys, it’s so scary. It’s so scary. Oh, yeah, that looks crazy. Those two girls who climb up on this radio tower that’s like a couple thousand feet high out in the desert alone, and the thing is rickety. I’m going to just tell you, folks, if you have not seen Fall, if you can handle being afraid of heights, it is a good movie. It’s scary, and it’s one of the best movies that I’ve seen probably in the last three years. Okay, I’ll tell you what. Let’s take a look at the impossible questions. I won’t come back, do some movies. Sound good?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, here we go. Yesterday’s impossible question. What is the capital of Burkina Faso? What?
SPEAKER 13 :
That is an impossible question.
SPEAKER 12 :
You don’t wake up every morning pledging allegiance to Burkina Faso. By the way, where is that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Africa.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very good. West Africa.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s over 50 countries there, so it was a good guess.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, you took a shot. Okay, it’s cold. Are you ready? Wagadougou. Wagadougou. What a name. Wagadougou.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sounds like a Disney character.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, or no, no, Wagadoodoo. It’s Wagadoodoo.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wagadoodoo. Yeah, the G is like a D. Sounds like a Kung Fu Panda or How to Train Your Dragon character or something.
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Or it’s what, you know, a dog does when you take it for a walk in the morning, Wagadoodoo. Yeah, I think, sorry, it’s all I can think of, guys. Okay, today’s impossible question. What is the currency, boy, we’re going around the world here, of Mongolia? mongolia what is the currency of mongolia i think sheep is what they uh is what they daughters daughters okay how many daughters or sheep for this candy bar yeah i don’t know i couldn’t even tell you You know, I think that they trade in wagadoos.
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What do you think?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I’m not sure, but I’m pretty sure that that is the currency of Mongolia. These are really hard. We are going around the world.
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Is it someone else’s currency that they adopted or no? Because the closest I could guess is like yen. Nope.
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It is their own. It is an assemblance of letters that is either real or our producer assembled them randomly.
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Is it manga doo-doos?
SPEAKER 12 :
Manga doo-doos. It might be manga doo-doos. I think it’s possible. Okay, let’s take a break. When we come back, we’re going to do some movies. You ready?
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All right.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole.
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Man.
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And Luke Cash.
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Man.
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And Luke. Yeah. What’s going on? Buddy, it’s been a while. It has been a while. It has. You know, we’ve been needing to catch up. Let me ask you a personal question.
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Are you ready for a movie?
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I’m always ready for a movie, Andy.
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All right. Now, Tanner, I hope you were listening to that. That’s how men do it.
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I couldn’t hear it.
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I know you’re intimidated. Tanner was cowering in the corner, shaking.
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I had to channel my masculinity there.
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I didn’t even know he had a tail, but it was wagging fiercely. It was very upset.
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A wagadoo.
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It was a wagadoo. Wagadoodoo. Okay. Enough of wagadoodoo. All right, folks. We get a true story of survival at sea in Not Without Hope.
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Let’s go, baby. Come on, now. I get strong. You get strong. You get strong. Let’s go. Hey, guys.
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Ah, yeah. Done for some deep sea fishing? Crack of dawn Saturday?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, let’s go, baby. What time are you heading back?
SPEAKER 01 :
We’ll be back by dusk. We’re going to be all right. We’re four big, strong men.
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Well, you can’t bench press the ocean.
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Look at this haul. This weather is not good. We gotta wrap it up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nicholas, it’s Mom. I know you went out fishing this morning. This big storm’s supposed to hit. Love you. Bye.
SPEAKER 01 :
Get back in the boat! I get strong! You get strong! You get strong! Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go! Come on! This is now a rescue mission.
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We’ve knocked some men out on the open water.
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Four men in the middle of a giant storm. Help me! What’s happening to him? Hypothermia.
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Captain, is my boy still alive?
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Let’s turn this thing up. I’m gonna do everything in my power. to bring them home safe and sound. Right now, let’s go! No visual. Weather getting worse. We are not done yet.
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Hang on!
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I love you! Hope is the strongest thing that we have.
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I get strong! You get strong! We get strong!
SPEAKER 13 :
Yikes. What do you think? The ocean scares me.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what scares me is his wife telling him, you can’t bench press the ocean. How could she say such a thing to her?
SPEAKER 13 :
That is true. That is true.
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They don’t understand how powerful we are.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, this show is pretty tough, too. We actually started with eight guys. We’re down to three.
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It’s true. And now we can bench press the building.
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Now we can. Okay, here we go. Zachary Levi. You guys like him. I like him.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the name sounds familiar. What else has he been in?
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You know, he’s been actually in a lot of faith-based films lately. Oh, Shazam. He used to star in a terrific show called Chuck that was on TV. It’s funny. It’s really funny. Okay. Zachary Levi stars as Nick Shiler, a personal trainer working with NFL athletes Marquise Cooper and Corey Smith. And they’re played by Quentin Blair and Terrence Terrell. And just so you know, once again, these people are all real. True story. Nick is more than just their trainer. He’s their personal friend. And their wives are all close. It’s happy. You know, they’ve got a nice little group, but they’re tough. They’re manly men. All right? Why are they tough? Because these aren’t star players. You’re probably wondering, what do you mean by that? Well, these are good athletes training with all they’ve got to stay afloat in a league with great athletes. So they’ve got to train hard. One of them is talking about, man, every down, I’m looking at that guy across from me, and I’ve got to beat him to keep my job. I’ve got to stay on that 53. I’ve got to stay on that 53. He’s talking about the roster, of course. I thought it was really pretty cool hearing that. Well, they’ve also got a good friend and former college player named Tim Close. He’s played by Josh Duomo. And Tim, he had just lost his investment job just that day during a recession, so he’s very depressed. So they’re kind of cheering him up at night with their party. Let’s have more than a few beers. Let’s get through this, right? But it’s a rough time. And that next morning, they’re going to take off. So after a night of drinking and talking with them and their wives, the four go out on a planned fishing day trip. Now, one of the NFL players has a small boat, and the four athletes go about 70 miles off the coast of Florida. But a storm is moving in. Now, they know about the storm, but they’re told it’s quite a ways off. Well, while they’re out, they don’t hear about this, but it’s moving in quicker. Times are getting very scary. Well, everything is fine, but when they see the storm coming, they agree to head back. But then there’s a problem. The anchor is caught. The anchor is caught. And these four athletes, they do all they can to pull it free, but it won’t budge. That’s an anchor. Yeah. Well, before cutting it, they try one last group effort, and then a big wave hits. The boat capsizes, and they’re all left clinging to an overturned hull. So it’s just the underside of the boat and them, out in the waves, in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. I mean, is that terrifying? Yeah, I don’t like that. Right. And by the way, this is during, this is, I think in February. And so, you know, even then, even in the Gulf, it’s pretty cold at that point when you’re talking February. Okay, well, leading the Coast Guard rescue effort is Captain Will Bleakley, and he’s played by Marshall Cook. And once they learn the foursome is lost at sea, they’re left with limited resources scanning massive sections of ocean in a storm. Total needle in a haystack, right? I mean, it’s terrifying. Practically hopeless. And as the storm moves in, now we’re in full survival mode. There are towering waves, tons of rain, and even sharks. Wow.
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Awful.
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But worst of all is the hypothermia. You heard about that. Just lower your body temperature a few degrees. Maintain it there. And even the best athletes are going to fall apart. I did not know this. I don’t know much. Do you guys know much about hypothermia?
SPEAKER 13 :
A little bit. Mm-hmm.
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It’s terrifying how it affects you, and you actually get to see that in this movie. But Bleakley and his team, you know, the Coast Guard, they’re determined, so they press on. From here, we go back and forth between the four men trying to live on the underside of a small boat in a storm and the brave men and women searching for them. There are setbacks everywhere. Everything goes wrong. Can they live? Well, nature doesn’t care how athletic you are. But can your will save you? That’s the story of Not Without Hope. What do you think? I’m still scared.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, sounds like my worst nightmare.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because, I mean, below you, you can’t push off. These guys are used to pushing off, having ground beneath them, and being incredible athletes on that, pushing against things, under things, and so forth. Beneath you is just water.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, and just holding on to the boat for a day straight, I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it’s pretty slick, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you’re in pounding rain.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and the waves aren’t helping.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, did I mention it’s pitch dark much of the time? I mean, my gosh, it’s awful. Okay, well, what works in Not Without Hope? Well, the acting. Luke is flat out good. Okay. Yeah, it really is totally real with lots of obscenity and camaraderie. This is how they talk guys. Okay. Zachary Levi is a real star. We have to face it. This guy is good in everything he does. And he hasn’t done a film like this in a while because he’s just been doing these faith based things.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And so a lot of people, when they go to this, they’re going to be surprised to listen to his mouth. Okay. But that’s how they all are. They’re guys, you know, in the gym.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, and they’re in life or death situation. Everything’s coming out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah, I would think so. You’re probably not saying, oh, darn.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, gosh, jolly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, gosh, golly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, gee, golly wills, guys. I don’t think we’re getting out of this one.
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Gurgle as you go under. Okay, Plair, Terrell, and Duhamel, the other three actors, they blend personal depth. with muscled up macho okay they’re the total thing so i thought these were really good actors bringing not just you know a lot of times when you get these muscled up actors they can’t act right like alan rich whatever his name richmond yeah he comes off very stiff right not these guys they came off totally real and they were excellent i was very impressed next we see all the challenges for the four men their wives and the coast guard you feel it every step of the way And I really like that. Finally, interesting camera work. Now, I know this is a weird thing for me to mention, but they put lots of water over the lens. So you feel like you’re actually out there with them sinking beneath the waves as you listen to these guys and talk to them. So they don’t have this sanitized overview looking at them and you’re totally dry and you’re just watching these four guys act. You’re in it. You are in it. And I thought that was really well done. What doesn’t work in Not Without Hope? Too long. It’s a little over two hours. Yet 90 minutes would have been enough when you’re dealing with such a limited setting. Now think about this. The vast majority of the action is happening in a few square feet, right? You’re on a boat. That means there’s not a lot you can do. I mean, you can only slip and slide and swim and slip. You see what I’m saying?
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Right.
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You can only starve so long. You can only dehydrate so long. You can only freeze so long. There’s really not that much going on. Even though it’s a terrible thing to watch, it was really dragged out. After the movie, I asked some of the other moviegoers what they thought, and they all said the exact same thing. Too long. One guy just flat out said, and it’s kind of funny because great guy, he looked a bit like one of the athletes. Big boy. Big guy. And nice guy, really nice guy. He’s there with his wife. And he said, they could have cut a half hour. And I kind of felt the same way. This would have really helped it. And all the main action happens on a capsized boat. The dialogue and action became very repetitive as a result. The pace slows down too much. And once again, the audience agreed. Next, Captain Bleakley, he has some silly, speechy dialogue that comes off prepared. A little too dramatic, if you know what I mean. You’re kind of thinking, no, no, no, no, no. I don’t think he would have had a speech explaining to his coworkers what happens with hypothermia and how it really is a terrible way to die. Okay. Nah, I don’t think so. Lots of profanity, of course. And these are liberal Obama-loving guys. Just want to let you know. Just warning the Zach Levi fans out there because Zach Levi, of course, is a Trump supporter. And there are people who are thinking, oh, he’s done Christian movie after Christian movie. I’ll go to this. Folks, just so you know, I don’t mind it. I thought it was real. I like that. I thought, hey, man, I want to see them as they really are do the movie, right? And they did. Just letting you know. Giving you a little heads up. Okay. Rotten Tomatoes did not have enough critiques of this to give it a score.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because not a lot of people were watching it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Which really surprised me. I was surprised by this because it’s, I thought, a pretty good movie. Okay. Pretty good. All right. Quality, I’m going to give it two and a half stars. I think this is right down the middle. Not bad, not good. Is it worth going to? Yeah. But is it worth going to again? Yeah. Watching again, no, I don’t think so. Political, two, for obvious reasons. More religious, one and a half, for obvious reasons. But that’s okay. None of that, I don’t think those are bad scores. I think those are just real people being real, and I’m fine with it. Did I enjoy the movie? Yes. For me personally, it was more about a three and a half. But I think for general audiences, I’m going to give this two and a half stars. I think this is going to bore a lot of you folks. I really do. I think you’re going to be like, Watching this and thinking, okay, the dreary and the drudgery is going too long. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. And I could feel the audience feeling the same way. So do I recommend going to Not Without Hope? Not without your phone. Okay. You’re going to be checking the scores a couple times, but it is a worthwhile movie. It is not, by any stretch, a bad movie. You’re going to like the acting. You’re going to like a lot of the drama. It’s pretty well done. Okay, let’s take a break. After the break, we’re going to have another one. Silent Night, Deadly Night. Time for another holiday slasher flick.
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Every year.
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Every year, I know.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. Man. Yes, we are three men who probably would not have lasted 20 minutes on that boat.
SPEAKER 13 :
Speak for yourself. I wouldn’t have lasted getting onto the water. I simply would have gotten on the boat. I would have swam down and grabbed that anchor out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Charlie would have been in the Coast Guard fishing us out after only a minute and a half. And they’d be like, you haven’t even left the land yet. We’re pretty drunk.
SPEAKER 13 :
My last will and testament will have already been written.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. I don’t know. Guys, I’m afraid of the ocean. Ocean? No good. I don’t go out. Okay. Tanner. What’s up? I just want you to know I don’t think you’re up to what Luke achieved.
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I come from a fishing family.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are you ready?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m manly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Here we go. Are you ready for a movie? I’m ready for a movie. Well done, sir. Okay, it’s time for another Christmas slasher flick because, of course, we cannot live without them in Silent Night, Deadly Night.
SPEAKER 01 :
Twas the night before Christmas, the house locked up tight. Yet a shadow approached, in the dead of the night. With a glimmering axe, so lively and quick. I knew in a moment, it must be Saint Nick.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve kind of been drifting my whole life. I’m ready for something real.
SPEAKER 06 :
Looking for something? Are you okay? I’m gonna figure out what’s going on in there.
SPEAKER 11 :
You, uh, had no idea.
SPEAKER 06 :
What? Naughty. How many people have you killed? A lot. Do you have to dress like Santa?
SPEAKER 05 :
Helps me slip from Billy into something else. Punish. Tanner, have you been a good boy?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think so.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s not too sure. Okay, here we go. Rowan Campbell. He stars as Billy Chapman, a young man with a troubling past. As a boy, Billy watched his parents get murdered by a guy dressed as Santa Claus, and now Billy is scarred for life. Worse yet, he has become the monster he feared, with a gravelly voice in his head telling him to deck the halls with lots of killing. So for the five days leading up to Christmas, Billy slashes away. But now he has someone in his life. Her name is Pam. She’s played by Ruby Modine. You ever heard of Matthew Modine?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is his daughter. No, never. Okay, there you go. Terrific actor. A little before your time, but really good. Anyway, Billy, he works as a stock boy in a local antique store, which is a good place to assess potential victims. And Pam is the boss’s daughter. But where do you find time for romance? I mean, how are you going to do that? I mean, planning and carrying out your kills takes lots of time and effort, and romance slows you down. But there’s a mystery here. Even as we watch through Billy’s eyes as he takes his axe to victim after victim, what seems like a random trail of slaughter actually has a, dare I say it, moral. Okay, what if these victims deserve their fate? Can you deserve axe murder? I’m not quite sure.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can think of a few.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, well, you know, in corporate America, I guess. I’m kidding, folks. I’m kidding. I’m not. I’m not. Well, ultimately, we are left to wonder why. Sure, Billy is messed up, but why kill all these people? Can Billy be stopped? And what role will Pam play? And that is the story of Silent Night, Deadly Night. Tanner, how many times are you going to go to this?
SPEAKER 03 :
To be honest, this is one of the few Christmas slashers just watching the trailer. I was kind of intrigued. But the fact that Rotten Tomatoes gave it 80% is unbelievable.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, let’s take a look at this. What works… They’ve been giving some inflated scores.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 12 :
Really inflated scores. Rotten Tomatoes is desperate. Anyway, here we go. And by the way, I’m not just saying that. I’ve had a number of movies lately where… They’ll give an inflated score, and I’ll just come out, won’t I, Charlie, and say, this sucks.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is why. It’s bad in this way, this way, this way. It’ll probably have a good first week based on all the buzz and fall apart. And every single time I’ve said that, it has.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, and it seems like all the liberal movies, they jack up the score, then people go and see it and tell everyone, don’t go to that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Bingo. Okay, well, what works in Silent Night, Deadly Night? Well, first of all, there are plenty of inventive kills. I’m not a slasher guy, but I’ve seen 10 million movies, so obviously I’m used to them. But I can watch them, and sometimes some are a lot better than others. You’ve got a killer here who looks just like Rudy. From the movie Rudy? Okay. Yeah, I’m totally serious. Every time there was a kill, I was mumbling, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. There are some nice moments of dialogue, especially with Pam’s dad. He was a good character. And finally, the supernatural aspect of this film adds interest. There’s a supernatural aspect. Let’s just tell you this. That voice in his head is real. That inner voice is real. Okay, what doesn’t work in Silent Night, Deadly Night? Frankly, a lot. I hate to say it. The worst part is all the implausibility. My goodness, if you’re going to scare me, it’s got to be believable. I have to actually believe this situation might possibly, sort of, could have, would have, maybe should have happened. Well, how could this young man go town to town, killing and killing, with no investigators putting it together? We’re not talking like, you know, a couple kills scattered over six years or whatever. We’re talking tons of kills in every town. All right.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was like, huh? I wonder where this guy’s at.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Yeah. And the new town, this little town he’s in now is called Hackett.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER 12 :
I love that.
SPEAKER 13 :
A little on the nose.
SPEAKER 12 :
But seriously, you’re watching this, you’re thinking, um, there’s no way we’ve all watched these police shows. They would attract him in no time. He leaves a trail easier to follow than a deer in deep snow. Okay. I’m telling you what, uh, why would this little town have a massive Nazi underground? I’m not kidding. They have a massive, and so they have a huge Nazi Christmas party, which is enormous. Lots of people. It’s a small town. Despite the recent surge amongst young Americans, I understand. The fact is Nazis are really rare, folks.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
There aren’t a whole lot of them. This little town wouldn’t have several dozen proud Nazis holding a massive Christmas party. I mean, give me a break. It’s just ludicrous. And you might think, okay, Andy, they’re just doing ludicrous to, you know, have a ludicrous style slasher flick. No, they were playing it like it was real.
SPEAKER 03 :
Are there any cops in this town?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, sort of. They’re incompetent. Let’s get to that. You see, worse yet, Billy grabs his axe and goes on a killing spree in a massive party. And he’s the only one against a huge crowd of people. Okay. It doesn’t occur to them to all… He’s right in the middle of this huge ballroom. One guy wielding an axe in the middle of this ballroom, and it doesn’t occur to them to grab some things and converge on him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s not like he has a gun. No! After he hacks one guy, there should be five guys on top of him and have him contained.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, dude doesn’t have an Uzi, okay? We’re talking an axe. Come on! And by the way, if this is a Nazi group, how many of them do you think are armed?
SPEAKER 03 :
With axes?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, probably more, right? I mean, come on, people. It was the most ludicrous, not believable killing scene I have seen in I don’t know how many years. I’m just sitting there back. I’m leaning back going. Are you trying to be bizarre and funny? No, wait. Oh, they’re trying to be real. Oh, wow. No, there is no way. It was totally laughable. In one scene, Billy gives the cops a lame excuse for why he’s been injured. Okay, he’s got this big shiner and some cuts and things like this. And there’s been, you know, a massive murder, right? And they’re trying to figure out who has done the latest killing. And they ask him and he says, oh, you know, I’m a stock boy. A box fell down, bam, boom. They bought it! They bought it!
SPEAKER 13 :
Beautiful. Oh, come on! Absolutely beautiful.
SPEAKER 12 :
The cops in this film couldn’t stop a thief yelling, I’m stealing, I’m stealing. Okay? Unbelievable. While the action is solid and the brutal kills, they keep coming, the story pace slows down. Frankly, I was really bored. I was. i was yawning literally yawning in this movie there were too many ridiculous moments and boring dialogue folks if you’re gonna scare me scare me if you’re gonna make it a funny uh silly like killing thing like scary movie or scream or something like that where you’re mixing it up then do that but if you’re gonna try to be real Be real. This was awful. This had a high Rotten Tomatoes score. You just said it, 80. But most of the reviewers gave weak praise, if you read into the reviews. A lot of weak praise. Folks, I have no idea what they were thinking. Quality, one and a half stars. You cannot bore me this much with a slasher flick. And we’re talking hackety, hack, hack, hack. This guy, just as brutal as they can, they make, you know, going through all these people. You can’t do that and make it this boring. I mean, that’s hard to do. Really. I mean, it’s a terrifying thing, right? We’re talking about a… That’s the real horror movie. We’re talking about a serial killer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we’ve talked about this before. It’s like, I could just come up with this and someone’s just going to give me the budget. It’s just like some random idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
Tanner, you could write this on a napkin.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 12 :
OK, you could you write this at a napkin while you’re having your KFC or whatever. You know, I mean, this is terrible. One and a half stars. I’m giving it one and a half. Why do I go that high? Well, I did like some of the acting. Oh, you know, some of the acting was good and it does stage some of the scary moments pretty well. But that’s about it. Basically, all it is is substituting brutality for quality. It’s like, well, you don’t understand. Anybody can be brutal. I can go to a slaughterhouse and watch a butcher do his work. That’s brutal. I mean, it’s not entertainment, but okay. Some people it is. Yeah, I guess so. Political three doesn’t really say much more religious one for obvious reasons. Look, folks, do I recommend going to Silent Night, Deadly Night? I don’t think many of you would anyway. For those who would, don’t. You’re going to be bored. This is one of the worst Christmas slasher films I’ve ever seen. It was a complete waste of time. So don’t go there. Sorry, folks. Bad movie. After the break, we are going to do NFL picks. Are you ready, sir?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m ready.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. And Tanner, are you ready for some NFL picks?
SPEAKER 03 :
I was born for this.
SPEAKER 12 :
And after each one, I want Luke to give us his animal rights pick.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, sports ball.
SPEAKER 12 :
Let’s go. You like soft furry animals and all that kind of stuff, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, it depends. It depends. On if you’re eating them or not.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Yeah. You like tasty animals. Okay. Here we go. Some tasty animals. People’s enjoying people enjoying tasty animals. PETA. All right. Tanner, are you ready?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m ready.
SPEAKER 12 :
Here we go. Okay. The first game is the Cleveland Browns are on the road at the Chicago Bears. Bears favored by seven and a half. Can that Cleveland pass rush slow down an elite Bears offense?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think they will, but I think the Bears are just too sound of an all-around team. I think they’ll even cover the 7.5 against the Browns. Might be a rough day for Shador.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I think you get a dozen Brown Bears on the field against some regular humans, it’ll be a bloodbath.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so you’re thinking, now, by the way, the Browns, that’s a dog pound. Okay, so dogs, bears, who do you like more?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think the dogs are getting killed. I think bears win that fight every time.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, you take the bears as well. Okay, next game. I’m taking the bears, of course. That’s an easy one. Next game, the Ravens are favored by two and a half at the Bengals. Now that Joe Burrow is back, could the Bengals be a major spoiler for playoff teams?
SPEAKER 03 :
The Bengals should have beat the Bills. They just had two terrible turnovers and won a touchdown, won almost a touchdown. The Ravens look awful on both sides of the ball, but they need to win to have a chance in their division. I’m taking the Bengals, though.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, guess what? So am I. I’m taking the Bengals as well. Do you like tigers or do you like ravens?
SPEAKER 13 :
I was going to say, ravens are intelligent creatures. They have the aerial advantage, but I think Bengals are just too big to beat.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, I got you. They’re going to eat the birds. Okay, up next is… Natural Predator. Your Chargers are on the road at the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs are favored by five and a half. Okay, explain this to me. Why does Vegas keep favoring a lousy Chiefs team?
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re awful. I looked it up because I was so confused. I was like, is Herbert not playing? He played against the Eagles with a broken hand. They still won.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m picking the Chargers. Come on, are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m going to take the Chiefs, but not those points at all.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, you’re taking the Chiefs.
SPEAKER 13 :
I want the Chiefs to win. The Chargers were San Diego. They moved to L.A., and for that, they will never be forgiven, Andy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well done, sir. Okay, next game. The Bills are favored by one and a half at the Patriots. Is the wrong team favored here?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think so. The Pats wouldn’t beat the Bills at home. The Patriots can’t seem to lose a game. The Bills are very, I mean, it’s a two-man offense. It’s either James Cook or Josh Allen, unfortunately. The rest of the offense can’t really do much.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Luke, do you like Buffalo Bills out on the open plain, or do you like American Patriots?
SPEAKER 13 :
We’ll take some Patriots. I also know they win, like, every Super Bowl that’s ever existed, so.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re a patriotic. Yeah. There you go. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
God bless.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, this is Americans overrunning the Buffalo out on the open plain.
SPEAKER 13 :
Classic and historical. It is. It’s classic and historical.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hunting Buffalo. Okay, the next game is the Washington Commanders are on the road at the New York Giants. The Giants are actually favored by two and a half. Could New York get the top pick in this next draft?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think, unfortunately for the Giants, they’re going to win. I love Jameis Winston being the quarterback. Everything about it’s great. Him on Fox was amazing. And then the Commanders, Jaden’s not playing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, he’s not.
SPEAKER 03 :
So Marcus Mariota is Marcus Mariota. I don’t think they’re going to win.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I don’t like Marcus. Okay, I’ll take the Giants as well. What do you think, sir? Commanders, Giants.
SPEAKER 13 :
There’s no way you can swing it. You can command all you want. Giants have the height advantage. A single football will kill a single one. So I think the Giants win.
SPEAKER 12 :
I totally agree. I totally agree. Next game, the Raiders are on the road at the Eagles. Eagles are favored by 11.5. Okay, Tanner, has any Super Bowl winner ever been this poorly coached the next year? Ever. Ever.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think so. However, the Eagles are really good at this. They go to the Super Bowl, look fantastic. They lost, not the last one, but the time before against the Chiefs. And then they look awful the next year. I think it’s kind of the same thing. They need to win because if the Cowboys win, it’s going to get a little dicey for that division. I also want the Raiders to lose to get a higher draft pick to help out Jenty. So Philly by who knows how many.
SPEAKER 12 :
The Raiders are just that bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they might be the worst team.
SPEAKER 12 :
Philadelphia can beat this college team from Vegas. What do you think, Luke?
SPEAKER 13 :
Again, from San Diego, I’ve always hated the Raiders. I know nothing about them, only other than that I’m supposed to hate them.
SPEAKER 12 :
But Eagles are birds. They are American.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re nature-y. Eagles are good. Again, aerial advantage, that’s air superiority.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. I totally agree. Next game. We’ve agreed on all of them so far. The Jets in New York, J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets are on the road at the Jacksonville Jaguars. We’re playing some pretty good football. The Jags are favored by 13.5. Tanner, have you ever seen the Jags favored by this much?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, this Jags team kind of reminds me of that Steelers team that went 11-0 and everyone just knew they were going to fall apart at some point. I don’t know how they have only lost four games. Maybe Liam Cohen is that good of a coach. Brian Thomas doesn’t even get the ball, and they’re going to win their division, or most likely. Their division’s actually pretty close, but… 13.5 points. I don’t think they’ll cover that. They seem to give up points, but I’ll take the Jags. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER 12 :
The Jags. And what do you think, Luke? I mean, Jets have air superiority, but Jags are quite a feisty cat.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re feisty. I think in the face of some Hellfire missiles on a strafing run from some F-16s, I think the Jets have to take it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Luke goes with the Jets. I think that’s very scientific, and you’re probably right. Next game. The Arizona Cardinals, for some reason, are still playing football. They were on the road at the Houston Texans. Now, Texans are favored by 9.5. Is defense making the Texans a dangerous playoff team?
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, we saw what they did last year, the Chargers, in the playoffs. Herbert didn’t even look like an NFL quarterback. It was so bad. I love the Texans’ defense, Grant. They’ve helped me a lot in fantasy this year. But every player on that side of the ball is a dog and wants the ball.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there’s not a lot you can say other than Texans are going to win.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ll take the Texans as well. Now, Luke, Cardinals are a beautiful bird with air superiority, but Texans are all arms. Every single person in Texas is shooting upward nonstop.
SPEAKER 13 :
Eats them for breakfast and lunch and dinner.
SPEAKER 12 :
Incoming flack from the ground. Okay, we’re all taking the Texans. Next game, my Green Bay Packers. I have no idea why. They are two-and-a-half point favorites coming to Denver here to play the Broncos. What idiot in Vegas made my Packers the favorite in this game?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think they were just so happy with that Bears win, but I think the Broncos are better than the Bears. So I’m taking the Broncos. I can’t believe they’re going to be an underdog. That might change by Sunday.
SPEAKER 12 :
That blows my mind. In fact, I’m going to tell you right now, and I know people think I’m just being a depressed Packer fan. I’m being honest here. I picked the Broncos nine out of the last ten weeks. They’ve won ten. Guys, I’m picking Denver 30-16, and that is with Green Bay getting a charity score in the fourth. Denver is better than Green Bay on both sides of the line. In the trenches, they are going to pummel my Packers. I hate to say it, we have no chance. I literally don’t give us one chance in ten of winning this game. I have no idea why the Packers are favored. Jordan Love is a fantastic quarterback. He’ll get sacked five to seven times, and he’s going to throw two interceptions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Christian Watson’s been playing unbelievable since he’s been back, but he’s not going to get the ball this game.
SPEAKER 12 :
You have no time to get it to him. Jordan Love is going to have no time. He’s a great quarterback who’s going to look like a third stringer. He’s going to get killed. I just want him not to get hurt.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the only good thing is we have a good 2 p.m. slate for the first time it seems like all year.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Green Bay has a lousy line. They’re not going to be able to hold up against this. Right. Okay, sir. Broncos.
SPEAKER 13 :
Broncos, majestic creatures. I don’t know what a packer is other than that they need to pack up and go home.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s actually named after packing plants in the area. So do you like union workers?
SPEAKER 13 :
I do like union benefits.
SPEAKER 12 :
There you go. All right. Next game. This is interesting. Might be the game of the week. I don’t think so. But the Lions are on the road with the Rams. Rams are favored by six. Tanner, is this L.A.’ ‘s chance to separate from the field?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think so. I love the Lions, but they’re always injured, and their defense gives up 30 points a game. And the Rams are solid on both sides. They don’t make mistakes. Maybe the best coached team in the league. I think the Rams are going to win, and I like the six, even though that’s a lot.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. I take the Rams.
SPEAKER 13 :
Luke? You’re talking a whole lot of numbers. I don’t know what points are, but I do know that Lions are stronger than Rams, so Lions have to win.
SPEAKER 12 :
Lions eat Rams. I mean, there you go. Okay, next game, the Panthers. By the way, Luke, when you were looking to date your girlfriend, did you have to do like Rams and bang against another guy’s head for a while to prove yourself worthy of her?
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, I did. I did. It was a hard-fought battle, but I came out on top. It was actually more of a cat fight like the Panthers.
SPEAKER 12 :
Did you get into a slappy fight with a guy at a bar?
SPEAKER 13 :
I ax murdered him in the middle of a room and then evaded the police.
SPEAKER 12 :
I see. I see. So you were wearing a Santa outfit. Okay. The Panthers are favored by two and a half at the Saints. Tanner, can the Panthers stay in the playoff home?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, after the Bucs debacle last night, I think the Panthers are technically in the lead in the division. I think everyone thought the Bucs would just walk away with that division. And sure enough, the Panthers look like they’re going to win the division.
SPEAKER 12 :
The Bucs are in free fall.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and they even got their receivers back, and it still just looked awful. So I’m going to take the Panthers. Saints also are trying to get that No. 1 pick.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and I think they got a good shot.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Saints, Panthers.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think the Panthers win. I think you can sit there and pray and be holy in the face of razor-sharp claws. I think you’re going to fall.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think in ancient Rome, if there weren’t lions around, they would have fed my kind of people to panthers.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, here we go. The Titans are on the road at the 49ers. Niners favored by 12 and a half. No one is overlooking the Titans after last week. What do you think, Tanner?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh. I mean, it’s another game. It’s so many points for a spread. It’s just hard not to take the Niners. It’s just 12.5 points, two touchdowns basically. It’s a lot to like. The Niners need to win to keep their playoff hopes alive. That NFC West is unbelievable.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I’ll take the Niners in a walk. What do you think, sir? Titans, 49ers.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think the Titans have to take it. I think Zeus locked them away in Tartarus for a reason. And, you know, when they come back, they’re going to come back angry.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, he fears them. That’s a good point. Okay, next, the Indianapolis Colts are in total free fall, losing their quarterback. They’re on the road at the Seahawks. Seahawks are favored by 13.5. Who’s under center for Indy?
SPEAKER 03 :
I would love to see Phil Rivers back out there. He’s one of my favorite players ever, but apparently him and Riley Leonard got into a spat at practice, so we’ll see how that goes. I feel bad for Daniel Jones. Seahawks will win. It’s just a matter of what the Colts decide to do.
SPEAKER 12 :
Rivers is like 40 years old.
SPEAKER 1 :
45.
SPEAKER 12 :
45 years old, one year for each kid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, if he can score as many points as he has kids, I’d be impressed, which is like 10.
SPEAKER 12 :
I just want you to know the toughest person on earth is his wife. Okay, Luke, you’re up. I think total bird victory. Okay, we’re going to go Seahawks all the way, all of us. Two games left. The Vikings. They actually came on strong last week, and they’re on the road at the Cowboys, who are favored by five and a half. Is Dallas about to put away Philly? And take that division.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know about put them away, but I think the Cowboys will win. They need to, obviously. I mean, the playoffs are so weird this year. There’s a division on each in the AFC and NFC, if not two in each, where there’s three teams all vying for the playoffs. And the Cowboys have to get a win to even stay in with the Eagles.
SPEAKER 12 :
I totally agree. Okay, I’m taking the Cowboys as well. Luke, we’re talking man against man. Man against man. Old West Cowboys against Vikings with axes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Vikings are strong, but I think you get gunpowder in the mix, I think the Cowboys have to take it.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s true. You’ve got a Viking running at you with a battle axe, and you just bang, bang, bang.
SPEAKER 13 :
Like that scene from Indiana Jones. He’s dead.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. It’s like the scene from Indiana Jones. Okay, we’re all taking the Cowboys. And that was very scientific. Well done. It was. Okay, last game, the Dolphins. This is a good game. Good Monday night game. The Dolphins are on the road to the Steelers. Steelers are favored by three. Aaron Rodgers is playing well. Can his team keep up?
SPEAKER 03 :
People might not realize, but the Dolphins are 6-7 after being like 1-5 or something. Yeah, they’re red hot. They’re kind of putting it together. The Steelers need to win just to keep the Ravens off their back. It is probably going to be pretty cold up there in Pittsburgh, so I’m going to take the Steelers just because of the weather conditions.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, now, Luke, can you imagine dolphins swimming in the snow?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I think I’m surprised the dolphins have made it this far. Dolphins are an aquatic creature, and football is famously a land-based game. That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think the dolphins are going to eat it.
SPEAKER 12 :
So the dolphins are just going to be out there flopping around on the field.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think it’s going to be pretty bad.
SPEAKER 12 :
And it’s a frozen field. And then there’s going to be sushi involved. And the Steelers are going to be eating sushi. So we all agree it’s going to be the Steelers. I think so. Okay, that’s the end of the NFL picks, folks. We’ve got about 30 seconds left.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m so sorry for everyone who had to listen to my NFL picks.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re all going to be right. That’s the sad thing. Luke, what is the movie topic for next hour?
SPEAKER 13 :
We’re going to do, what is it, like water and oceans or, you know, that kind of. Movies of the sea. Yes, the sea.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and we’re pretty open on, you know, sea. What kind of sea, you know. I mean, not a bathtub, but I mean.
SPEAKER 03 :
No rivers or lakes.
SPEAKER 12 :
No rivers, but what about Great Lakes?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know. They’re kind of oceanic. That’s pretty big.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re oceanic. Freshwater. What do you think, Tanner?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that doesn’t count.
SPEAKER 12 :
That doesn’t count. I think you’re weak. You are.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I think you’re narrow minded. I can’t even think of a movie.
SPEAKER 12 :
John and Richard are so much more easygoing. You are so strict.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I like river monsters and that it wasn’t allowed to be picked.
SPEAKER 12 :
OK, well, folks, that’s it for our number one and our two. Once again, movie rental hour is going to be movies of the sea. So get us your favorites at 303-477-5600. Give us a call or you can text us at 307-208-222. John Rush will relay it to me. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason KLZ 560.
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