Explore the intricate dance between public health policies and personal freedoms. John Rush and Dr. Kelly Victory tackle the controversial decisions made during the pandemic, focusing on the rationale—or lack thereof—behind vaccine mandates. They address the implications of governmental authority in health matters, drawing parallels with other public safety regulations. Tune in for an engaging and thought-provoking discussion on autonomy, ethics, and the future of public health interventions.
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And it’s a beautiful Thursday, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining me now as she does most every single Thursday. I can’t get my words out today, Dr. Kelly. How are you?
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I’m doing well, and it’s a beautiful day up in my neck of the woods, so thanks for having me.
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Oh, man, it is. I mean, I love this time of the year. It’s not super hot. The nights are nice and cool. It’s my favorite time of the year, Dr. Kelly.
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And mine as well. I’ve always loved the fall, even when I was a child, because I liked going back to school in September. But it happens to be the most gorgeous time in the state of Colorado, for sure. Absolutely. The aspens are just starting to change, and it’s a perfect time to get out. do some things outdoors.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. One thing we were going to talk about last week, and of course, we were sidelined, obviously, which is fine. There’s no reason to talk about some of the things I had scheduled that could wait a week. So you’re here with us now. And one of the things that I even promoted, and I promoted it last week. Again, we didn’t get a chance to talk about it, but I figured we could talk about it today. And that is one of the studies that talks about the two million older Americans that, quote unquote, had their lives saved by the COVID vaccine. Now, I put quotes around that on purpose, but okay, let’s just say for grins, let’s just say that it did in fact save a lot of older lives. Okay, great. It saved some older lives. Why then, Dr. Kelly, are they still pushing it for a lot of young people when in fact there’s no need to?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, let’s start with, you know, I believe that, you know, the studies saying how many of these elderly people were, quote, saved by the vaccine, I think have been largely debunked. It’s very, very difficult to prove that somebody would have otherwise had a bad outcome or died had they not had the vaccine. That said, those of us who were pushing from the very beginning, John, for a more measured and staged sort of tiered approach, which is the right thing always to do in medicine, were shunned. We knew from the very beginning of the pandemic who was at the greatest risk. And that certainly was elderly people. That’s the same with influenza or any other bad viral infection. elderly people, and with COVID, it also is impacting more severely those people with a well-described set of comorbidities, specifically obesity and diabetes. But rather than just saying, okay, so let’s rally around that group of people who’s at the highest risk, and let everybody else go on their merry way, they instead imposed the exact same treatment plan for everyone, from children to healthy 20-year-olds, people without nearly a medical condition, rather than letting those of us who are healthy and well Go about our business. We got COVID. No big deal. Most of us did. And it didn’t impact us in any way other than a couple of days of sniffles. Instead, they acted as if we were all created equally. And that is an absolute breach of the basics of medicine.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And again, so much. I don’t know. Let me call it misinformation because that’s really what it is, Dr. Kelly. I think even to this day, five years later, we’ve got certain individuals in organizations, even not just individuals, organizations that. to this day, do not want to be proven wrong. They’re still going to stand by all the things they talked about in our last round of COVID, you know, back in 2020. And my feeling on that is, is that’s because, A, they don’t want to be wrong. B, they’re waiting for the next one to come along. And if they’re not wrong this time, how can they be wrong the next time?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. There’s no question. And they don’t want to be wrong. They don’t want to admit it. But let’s get back to one of the fundamental problems with the COVID vaccines. And that was that they were mandated. You have a personal choice to make. I can say, look, John, let’s take something absolutely irrefutable. We know the data are clear. Nobody would dispute it no matter where you say that cigarette smoking causes contributes to lung cancer. Everybody knows that. That doesn’t mean I can force you to stop smoking.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
I can’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
You have a personal choice. I can tell you irrefutably that getting daily exercise improves your overall health. That doesn’t mean I can force you, mandate you, fire you from your job if you don’t go to the gym. You have a choice. This is a free country. And we cannot mandate that people participate in something simply even if you had irrefutable data showing that it would be good for them. Now, when it came to the COVID vaccines, we had quite the opposite. We had reams of evidence that these were going to be dangerous. And everything that I predicted, including the increase in cancer deaths and heart issues, neurologic issues, All those things were highly predictable, and sure enough, they have come to pass. But the idea of mandating something because the government somehow knows better for what’s good for you, that’s a really slippery slope. Because next thing you know, you’re mandating how many times people can eat beef every week and whether or not they need to go to the gym, stop smoking, limit their sexual partners, whatever else it is. The government doesn’t get to do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and for those of you – really quick, for those of you that are listening to this that might disagree with our stand on this, believe me, we are correct in this because, Dr. Kelly, you and I and Steve and others that I’ve even interviewed over the years, we take a hardline stance against government, cities in particular, whereby they’ll come in and limit – How big your soda drink can be, for example. I mean, you and I are on the side of, wait a minute, you know what? While we don’t agree with people necessarily having that much sugar intake, at the end of the day, they’re going to do it one way or the other, just like smoking, for example. And for cities to come along, New York and others, and limit how big your soda drink can be is absolutely ridiculous. It’s an overreach of government.
SPEAKER 08 :
100 percent. And for those people who aren’t well-informed, who quote and say, no, we’ve been able to mandate vaccines in the past, for example, the smallpox vaccine, the Supreme Court ruled in 1905 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the government could, in fact, mandate someone to take a smallpox vaccine. And the individual who didn’t Jacobs who refused was fined five dollars for refusing to take it. But the reason the Supreme Court came to that decision was because the smallpox vaccine had been proven to prevent transmission to other people. In other words, that Jacobson, the individual, was putting other people at risk. by not himself getting vaccinated. We know absolutely that the COVID vaccines did not stop transmission to others. In other words, whether I’m vaccinated or not, I’m not putting you at increased risk. That’s the reality. If you believe that the vaccines work, take one. I don’t care, but you can’t force me to take one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And those are a lot of the things that we talked about during 2020 and beyond. And I thought by now we’d even be done talking about this at this point in time, Dr. Kelly. But the reality is these things continue to surface because, again, as I said earlier and you’ve said many times, these people don’t want to be wrong. They’re going to continue to stand their ground no matter what, because we all know that once this happens again and trust me and Dr. Kelly, you agree, it’s going to happen again. It’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And there are multiple players involved in this. Look, there are people like physicians who don’t want to be wrong, many of them because they simply do not have the integrity to say, I pushed these on my patients and I was wrong. And for that, I am sorry. And I’ll do what I need to do to try to make it right. There are also people obviously connected to big pharma who have billions and billions of dollars to be made. All you had to do was watch the hearing of the now fired former director of the CDC, Susan Menard. She clearly and I said from the day she was nominated, I think she’s a horrible pick. She is a big pharma shill. She’s a serial liar. She will do what’s based for what’s best for. for the big pharma and her handlers, certainly not the science. And if you watched any of the hearing yesterday, it was very, very clear. Otherwise, if Susan Monarez felt that she was fired by Robert Kennedy from the CDC because she didn’t understand the science or because they had a disagreement about the data or the studies, she would have showed up at that hearing with scientists, with studies, with people to back her up. But she didn’t. She showed up with two anti-Trump lawyers who coached her and passed her notes and told her how to answer the questions. This had nothing to do with, quote, the science. She is a big pharma shill. She was in that position. She lied to get the position. She took advantage of Secretary Kennedy’s goodwill and his trust. She lied and she was in there to protect the interests of the pharmaceutical industry.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s interesting because I had that particular takeaway. The Washington Post wrote a big deal on it, of course, and they’re very, very, as you know, on the left side of things. And for those of you listening, yes, I read a lot of what’s on the left because, Dr. Kelly, I want to know what they think, which, by the way, tells me what I should think because once they take a stand, I typically know where – their takeaways are, if you would, or where they’re coming from, meaning, okay, I can pretty much figure what’s going on here, what’s right, wrong, and otherwise by reading what’s posted on the left side of the aisle versus the right side of the aisle. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely. And I do the same. You’ve got to understand what’s going on with your opponents so you know how to best fend them off. So it’s very important. It is remarkable. If you watched it, though, I would encourage people, if nothing else, to go to the Internet and watch some clips from the hearing. You can reach your own conclusion. In fact, when when Senator Mullins was asking Susan Menard to resign, recall the conversation that she had with Robert Kennedy. And she lies over and over again under oath, otherwise known as perjury. And Senator Mullins actually interrupts her at one point and says, you realize we have a recording of the meeting. So answer carefully.
SPEAKER 05 :
In other words, we can check you on this.
SPEAKER 08 :
And she’s still wise.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my word.
SPEAKER 08 :
We know it’s absolutely unbelievable.
SPEAKER 05 :
And again, as you guys all may or may not know, she basically was fired. She’s now claiming that she was fired because she didn’t want to agree with everything Robert Kennedy Jr. wanted to do. She didn’t agree with the childhood vaccine schedule. That’s the biggest thing that was in the spotlight, I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was one of the bigger things that they highlighted in that particular hearing. And to your point, the reality is she’s not giving honest testimony as to what actually happened.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And the reality is she refused to follow. She clearly was out of line with the initiatives that Robert Kennedy and the president were trying to push, specifically transparency, accountability and reform in these agencies. Robert Kennedy was appointed to that position so that he could go back to the science so that he could say, listen, he didn’t say just remove X, Y or Z vaccine. He said, show me the studies that we have proven that it is safe, effective or necessary. And certainly, for example, when it comes to the hepatitis B vaccine.
SPEAKER 05 :
I read that one right now. That was the next one I was going to ask you about. That was next on the list.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. Yeah, not a shred of justification for it. And when asked under oath, how do you justify this? You know, a newborn baby getting a hepatitis B vaccine. You know, the now former director of the CDC sort of obfuscates and, you know, waves her hands and says, you know, somehow, you know, gives a bunch of word salad, the answer is she couldn’t justify it, yet she wasn’t willing to have it removed.
SPEAKER 05 :
And in this article, they go on to even talk about how a top CDC career scientist said Kennedy bypassed the scientific process when it comes to vaccines for pregnant women and healthy children. By the way, Dr. Kelly, I know for a fact just from talking to you, nothing could have been farther from the truth. He had everything in front of him, as we’ve talked about on this program for the last five years. There is no reason, in fact— I very much anti having pregnant women and small children get the vaccine. It’s doing nothing but harm to those individuals.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And this is and what you keep hearing, though, still, as you started in the show today, John, they are continuing to push these things on groups of people for whom they will provide zero benefit.
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Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And can have nothing but but harm. OK, you’re talking about there is never a shred of evidence that children needed anything. We certainly didn’t need to lock down schools. They should never have been masked. They didn’t need to do any of that. You know, we destroyed two and a half years of their of their lives, their young lives. by forcing these things on them when there was no evidence. People talk about children dying. That simply isn’t true. There wasn’t a single child who died from COVID who didn’t have a severe underlying illness. Most of them, though I say severe, I’m not talking about obesity and diabetes.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, that’s right. We’ve talked about that. Yeah, they had major other medical issues going on. Correct. And you and I have talked about this many times. And I’m not exaggerating. I don’t think when I say this, Dr. Kelly, you can hold up one hand how many children actually died, and they were because of what you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. These were kids who were on chemotherapy, who had immune systems that were devastated. And who knows how much even having the virus contributed to it versus any other infection they may have developed at that time. And obviously, it’s tragic anytime anybody passes away from an illness that we can’t treat. But the reality is the idea that you are going to mandate tens of millions of children to participate in a medical experiment. And let’s face it, that’s what it was. These shots were only available under the emergency use authorization. By definition, they were experimental. They had not been through the rigorous testing that they would normally have to go through to be on the market. And you shoved them in the arms of tens of millions of children who didn’t need it. And the idea that they’re still… The American Academy of Pediatrics, God help their souls, because I’ll tell you right now, they have now come up against, the CDC finally has said, okay, we don’t recommend COVID shots for healthy children at all. American Academy of Pediatrics has doubled down and said they’re suing the CDC for changing the guidelines. Think about that. Why would the American Academy of Pediatrics sue an advisory body, the CDC, for changing their advice? Why? Because they don’t want the American Academy of Pediatrics, just like the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, they don’t want to lose the millions of dollars they are given every year by the pharmaceutical companies to promote these shots.
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And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us during this hour. You can find out more about Dr. Kelly. Just go to our website, RushToReason.com. Dr. Kelly, text message came in. Been listening to you guys for years on all of your great life-saving information. Got the J&J injection because of my 80-year-old parents that live with us. January 24th, went down with binary pulmonary embolisms and had them sucked out. Still having some issues with clots. What’s the best spike protein detox supplement or ingredients to treat this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there are lots of different protocols out there. And so, first of all, I’m sorry for this horrific, bad side effect that you’ve had. As everybody knows, I do work with and I’m associated with the wellness company. We have one that I think is terrific that’s based on the McCullough Protocol by Dr. Peter McCullough. It includes three very safe natural ingredients. It’s a combination of natokinase, which is an enzyme that comes from the fermentation of soybeans and It’s been taken by the Japanese and people in different Asian cultures for decades. It has a lot of health benefits, but also helps to break down the spike protein. It includes bromelain, which comes from the pineapple plant. Again, an enzyme. and cucurament from turmeric. It’s again a powerful anti-inflammatory. The combination of those three things has shown tremendous impact on decreasing the amount of spike protein that you have circulating in the blood and in different organ systems. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work quickly. Most of the patients we’ve had on it have needed to be on it for months. We recommend that you go and get an initial spike protein level check. It’s very easy now. LabCorp makes it available. You don’t even need a doctor’s prescription for it. You just go to LabCorp and on their website, you can order your own for $69. You can order a COVID-19 antibody level test. You go to any lab, core lab, get a tube of blood drawn, and at least you know where you’re starting. And then we recommend that people get it rechecked, that level rechecked, every four to six months to see how things are going. But don’t expect overnight plummeting of those spike proteins. But that is the best course of action that we are aware of is a combination of those enzymes as well as the cucurbitin as an anti-inflammatory.
SPEAKER 05 :
This is a question that personally I’ve talked to several people that listen to our program that heard you talk about vitamin D, and we’ve talked about it over and over again, but we need to do it again because I’ve had several people even in the last couple of weeks, Dr. Kelly, that have said, hey, can you guys or can Dr. Kelly, next time you have her on, And we’re going to do this last week again is in my notes. But because of obvious things that happened last week, we didn’t get to it. But people want you to explain again what levels of vitamin D should they be at. And again, most everybody is way under when it comes to their vitamin D numbers. And again, for all of you listening to this, I do know have that check to know where your baseline is. But once they do, Dr. Kelly, what should they be looking at as a number for vitamin D? And then how do they get there if they’re way below?
SPEAKER 08 :
Great question. You are correct. The number that we have, the level that we have been accepting as quote normal or quote optimal is far below where we know it really needs to be to provide the protective effect, not only against viruses, but against many cancers for vitamin D. Most labs will report out as a quote normal range between 30 and 50 nanograms per milliliter of I want my patients to be between 80 and 100. I try to keep my own personal level right around 100. Occasionally I’ll get it checked and I’ll be just over 100, not a bit concerned about that. That’s nowhere near a toxic level. So I aim to keep mine in that high, mid-90 range, and that’s nanograms per milliliter. Once you get your level checked, and that is the best thing to do, is to know where you really are. then there are algorithms. I can send you one, John, that you could post on your website that people could go to. It’s a simple chart that says if you’re at 20 or 40 or 50 where you are, how much you should supplement to get yourself up to that optimal range of 80 to 100. It’s easy to do. Be cautious about where you get your vitamin D. I myself learned, because I take a lot of supplements myself, I absolutely do not recommend that people taking supplements do it in the form of, quote, gummies. I hate to break it to you, but the gummies are candy that they then spray.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
They spray on whatever it is, the vitamin D or vitamin D, whatever it is. They spray it on. There’s no consistency gummy to gummy with how much you’re getting. You should go to a reputable source, get a capsule that, you know, that. is made in the United States and where you can actually verify what’s in it. I take a five IU capsule every day. In addition to, I get about another 3,500 IUs in other supplements. So I’m taking close to, you know, 10,000 IUs of vitamin D a day to get where, to keep my level where, where I want it to be. But it does, it does matter where you’re getting your supplements and what, and I would not recommend if you’re using a vitamin D gummy supplement there’s no way of knowing how much you’re actually getting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Makes total sense. And I am a big one. I’ve interviewed multiple folk, and I’ve got a great interview that we do on a regular basis. In fact, I had him on yesterday, Troy Duell. He’s from Centurion Labs. He is a, as you just said, Dr. Kelly, a really great Christian guy, believes the same thing that you do, by the way. I’ve had him on now for the last couple of years. He owns that particular company. They make supplements. They do it here in the U.S., like you just said, very high quality, not cheap. I think, by the way, that’s the other thing, Dr. Kelly, that we probably don’t emphasize enough. This is like anything else. You get what you pay for. If you’re going to go down to the local drugstore and hopefully, quote, unquote, buy in bulk or do whatever and think you’re getting a great deal because you got this really great deal on whatever that supplement was, number one, read the ingredients. Read where it comes from. Is it actually being checked or You know, because at the end of the day, as you know, Dr. Kelly, there’s really no standard in that world. The standard comes down to the company you’re buying from.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. And so, as I said, if you’re going to spend the money and take the effort to actually take a supplement or supplements every day, do yourself a favor, spend a few dollars more and get ones that are reputable. And I’m not saying you have to go buy them through a pharmacy. There are lots of good brands available on Amazon. You just need to look for something that’s organic, that’s been certified, that’s made in the United States. You know, that’s that’s been validated. Unfortunately, so many of these products that you can buy at the grocery store or whatever, just it’s just not worth your money. You’re wasting your money and you think you’re doing yourself. And that’s what I was doing. I was taking vitamin D every day. I was shocked when I initially about five years ago got my vitamin D level checked. And I thought, well, certainly, I mean, I take vitamin D every day and my level was like 42 or something horrible, very way too low. So truly, spend a little bit extra time. And again, I can provide some suggestions for brands if you want to put it on your website that I think are good. And again, they can be bought at Costco or even online at a place like Amazon.
SPEAKER 05 :
Awesome. And no, I would appreciate that greatly. And again, for all of you listening, please, number one, know your baseline, know where you’re coming from. And then, yeah, and Dr. Kelly, you send me that chart. I’ll have producer Ann get that up on our website so folks can actually look at that and kind of do a cross-reference of, you know, if I’m at 20, for example. How much do I need to take daily to get my levels up? If I’m at 50, okay, what do I need to do? And again, for all of you, it’s not going to be equal. And by the way, Dr. Kelly, I think the other thing folks don’t understand is you may think you’re getting a lot of vitamin D because you’re outside, but remember that when you use sunscreen and certain clothing and so on, you may not be absorbing as much vitamin D as you think you are And I’m not against doing sunscreen and all that, Dr. Kelly, to each his own. I’m one that tends to go a little bit lighter on sunscreen than heavier because of a lot of the things I’ve done with you and interviews and so on. And I’m not even saying I’m taking my chances when it comes to skin cancer because, frankly, I don’t think I am. There are certain sunscreens out there that, by the way, are probably causing as much harm by absorbing that into your skin as just leaving yourself naked.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree. And, you know, unfortunately, I do not slather on the sunscreen.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t either.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I spend a lot of time outside. And even with that, as I said, my vitamin D levels were very low. And I toggle back between northern Colorado, where the sun could be quite harsh, and southern California. So I am outside probably as much as a human being can possibly be, other than perhaps a construction worker outside. I spend a lot of time out there like you do, John. And so it is tough to get enough from the sun, unfortunately. And it’s tough to get enough through foods. You know, we fortified cereals and breads and those sorts of things. But you’re just not getting enough, particularly as people have tried to cut back on some of these things like cereal and eating, you know. as much bread as we used to when I was growing up. So honestly, the simplest thing to do is just to supplement it. It’s inexpensive, well-tolerated, doesn’t cause gastrointestinal side effects the way, for example, supplementing iron or some of the other vitamins might do. So it’s super simple.
SPEAKER 05 :
What are, because this is something I don’t think, I don’t know that we’ve ever really talked about this, Dr. Kelly. If we have, you know, I apologize for repeating this, but what types of foods are high in vitamin D? Because honestly, I don’t know, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s almost all through fortification. There are very few foods that naturally have vitamin D. Milk has some. Dairy products have some. But most of them, if you look at, it’s mostly that we have added vitamin D in the same way that we’ve added calcium to foods like bread products and cereals. They are, quote, fortified. You know, vitamin D milk has, you know, you have some. in milk products naturally, but again, you would have to consume a tremendous amount to get what you need through dietary sources.
SPEAKER 05 :
So bottom line, we have to supplement no matter what. So in other words, if you want good vitamin D levels, you’re going to be taking a supplement no matter what.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, I think that’s fair to say. If you just look at it historically, people who have darker skin are more likely to be vitamin D deficient. People who have black skin have probably an 80% chance of being vitamin D deficient, unfortunately, because they don’t absorb really any vitamin D.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, I think that’s an opposite of what most people would naturally think, to be honest with you, because I would have thought the opposite.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and I think, and I knew this back as long ago as when I was in medical school, that the rates of increased cancers, certainly colon cancers and breast cancers, in the African-American community is likely the result of the fact that they are profoundly vitamin D deficient. Latinos, again, about 50% of the Latino population because of their skin tone is vitamin D deficient, and upwards of 30% of Caucasians are. So, you know, as I said, the best thing to do, simple, easy blood test to get done, check your vitamin D level, find out where it is. If you’re one of those lucky people who just absorbs a ton through the sun and through what you eat, well, then good on you. But most people are likely looking at a supplement.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think somebody just asked too, by the way, how much do you actually get from the sun? And my answer is not as much as people think. And I’m living proof of that because like you say, Dr. Kelly, I get a lot. And without supplementation, so for me, and I did a blood test here recently, Dr. Scott did all of that. And for me, my levels came in at about 50. Again, not where they should be. I still need to supplement to get that up. Now, I will say this, Dr. Kelly, I think you know this. I’m in the sun a lot. I don’t take any supplements prior to that. So knowing all of that, and I’m somebody that spends a lot of time outside, like you just said, and even with all of that and watch what I eat and so on, I’m still low in that 45 to 50 range. Now, I will tell you that my chart came back. And according to those that would be in charge, they would say, oh, yeah, John, you’re fine. To your point, Dr. Kelly. No, I’m not. And even Dr. Scott said, yeah, no, you’re not fine. We need to add to that. You know, you and Dr. Kelly and all of what you talk about. You’re a spot on. We’ve got to get your levels up, so you’re going to have to take a supplement to do that. So point being, I spend a lot of time outside, eat healthy, and yet still was only in that 45 to 50 range, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly, and I think that that’s what we’re going to find with most people. And again, for example, if you look at the studies, we knew early on that people who had a vitamin D level above 60, 60 nanograms per milliliter, had an almost – 0% chance of getting significantly ill with COVID. They didn’t get hospitalized at all. None of them. So it was that protective. So when you know something that is that simple, It’s that inexpensive, that easy to do. Why in the world? And frankly, I’ll tell you, Big Pharma does not want people to know just how protective vitamin D is against a lot of things, not just COVID and influenza, all kinds of things. And as I said, cancers. Vitamin D plays a huge role in the prevention of cancer, and it’s something that’s been underplayed. Why? Because big pharma stands to make a lot more money selling their other brews.
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Yep, absolutely. All right. We’ll come right back. Great questions, by the way, from all of you that are texting in. I’ve got a couple of more we’ll get answered here in a moment. Dr. Kelly Victory with us. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And much like Dr. Kelly is an expert with all the things we talk about in regards to health and COVID and so on, Dave is your expert when it comes to your roof. Call him today, 303-710-6916.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, as she usually is in this Thursday first hour edition. And a question that came in last week, Dr. Kelly, is can you explain a hiatal hernia?
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Sure. Sure. Hiatal hernia, the diaphragm, the long muscle that stretches across the upper abdomen or lower chest is what separates the chest cavity, the lungs, from the abdominal cavity where all of your stomach and spleen and other organs are. Your esophagus, which you swallow through, you know, starts at your mouth, goes through your chest cavity and then through the diaphragm to get into the stomach. What can happen, a hiatal hernia is when there is that hole that the esophagus goes through from the chest cavity into the abdomen when it becomes enlarged or gets too big. And what happens is a portion of the things that are supposed to be in the abdomen, including the stomach, can come up through that and end up in the chest cavity. So it’s a hole or an enlargening. of the natural opening in the diaphragm that allows contents of the abdomen generally the stomach and sometimes perhaps other parts of the intestine to end up pushing up into the chest cavity and crowding lungs perhaps if it gets too much it’s generally a very easy thing to repair you simply pull the things that have you know gotten up there you pull them back down into the abdomen you tighten up that opening so that just the esophagus can get through, and that’s how you fix the hernia.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and again, that came in last week, and somebody, I don’t know exactly where that came from, Dr. Kelly, I don’t remember exactly, but great. In fact, I think there’s a lot of confusion on, you hear people talk about that a lot, and I’ll be honest with you, even me, I don’t know that I could have explained it the way you just did. I’m not a doctor, I have no idea how some of those things work, so thank you, because I’m not sure I knew exactly what that meant.
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Most people who have a hiatal hernia have a very small one and it will cause symptoms like reflux because it’s tight. And what happens is, you know, stomach acid doesn’t end up staying in the stomach because it’s getting squeezed because it’s sort of, you know, shoved up there into the chest cavity or up it through that diaphragm. So you end up getting reflux of stomach acid. That’s the most common symptom. Most people who have a hiatal hernia don’t need to even have it repaired. They just manage it through other things like antacids. or not eating smaller meals, or the way they position themselves in bed at night so that their head’s a little higher. If it becomes large and you get a significant amount of the stomach or other abdominal contents going into the chest cavity, then it needs to be repaired surgically because you can impact or really limit, impinge on the ability of the lungs to expand fully. There’s just so much that can fit in your chest cavity.
SPEAKER 05 :
Gotcha. Yeah, makes sense.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
A question just came in regarding vitamin D. This is a great question. I don’t know that I should have asked this while we were talking about it. And Texter asked, how long do you have to be on supplements to actually see a result? In other words, how long do you have to be on a vitamin D supplement to see those levels increase?
SPEAKER 08 :
Great question. Generally, you know, it’s a little bit dependent, you know, person to person. Vitamin D is one of the vitamins that is fat soluble. So it depends a little bit people, you know, on how much body fat you have. What I generally recommend is once you use the algorithm to determine, say, I need to be supplementing. 10 IUs a day or 50 IUs a week or whatever it is, then, you know, do that for two or three months and never level recheck. OK. You know, 60 to 90 days later and see where you are.
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OK.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then you can kind of go from there. It’s a little bit, you know, vitamin D toxicity can occur. It is something that because it is a fat soluble vitamin D. That said, in my 35 years as a physician, I have never seen a case of vitamin D toxicity ever. I don’t know. I don’t have a colleague who’s seen one. So I’m not worried about you saying, oh, my gosh, you’ve taken way too much. You know, if you’re following a reasonable algorithm, supplementing it for a couple of months and then recheck your level. And then you can determine whether or not to back off or stay at that level.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you very much. And by the way, thank you for that question. That was a great, great question. Dr. Kelly, John, do you mind asking Dr. Kelly if she knows about NADD3 and what are your thoughts on that versus NR and NMN? I don’t know what NMN is.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, you know, NAD is nicotinamide adding dinucleotide. It’s a coenzyme that’s important to metabolism. There are many people who take it as a supplement. I don’t know what the other ones are. I don’t either. So I’d have to look them up and see what those are.
SPEAKER 05 :
So is NAD something that everybody should be looking at? Is that by a case-by-case basis? I mean, is it something that, you know, because, again, going back to even the vitamin D end of things to where, you know, levels aren’t the same in food and so on, is that something folks should be looking at? And if so, you know, who are good candidates for it and so on? That’s my question versus others. And that’s something for all of you listening. Dr. Scott can do, and it’s something that he specializes in. But I guess my question even to you, Dr. Kelly, is that something for everyone or just certain people?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, the problem is that there’s really an unlimited number of things that you could take that have health benefits. And the question is, does everybody need to take all of them? You could say, should we all be taking bee pollen? Well, because there are health benefits to bee pollen. I mean, literally, it would be thousands and thousands of supplements that you’d be taking. All you would do is take pills. There’s nothing wrong with NAD. It has several essential roles in metabolism. As I said, it’s a coenzyme. There are many people who believe that it helps with everything from energy metabolism to anti-oxidation, meaning some anti-cancer effects. I don’t take it personally just because I take lots and lots of other things, and I don’t.
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I think particularly that there’s a. Well, and thank you for saying that, because you’re you’re a lot like me and we’re very much the same. I think even energy levels and so on and some of the things that we do in that regard. So for all of you listening, I personally don’t. Now, I will say this. My wife does. And Dr. Kelly, she swears that she can feel a boost of energy and so on by taking it now. On the same token, my wife struggles with her immune. She’s got an autoimmune disease. And so she struggles with some of those other things, which, frankly, I do not. So to me, Dr. Kelly, that still comes back down to the whole, you know, you need a doctor to help you with some of these decisions. Don’t just be out there willy-nilly taking things. Figure out where you are, where your baselines are, what works and what doesn’t. I’ve had a few shots in my last couple of years, by the way. And for me personally, Dr. Kelly, I can’t tell a single difference. But that’s me.
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Yeah, I agree with you. And with regard to NAD, as I said, it’s being studied currently for the treatment of cancer because of the impact that it has on the metabolism of cancer cells. It’s also being looked at for neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. And so far, the studies aren’t particularly overwhelming there. So, again, I’m not saying that it’s something you shouldn’t take, but there are just really an unlimited number of things that are. So I had to kind of pick and choose personally which things which things I’m going to focus on. And I really focus on those things that are important. are known to improve immune health. So for me, I really double down on those things. I think if we learn nothing else during COVID, it’s that we need to be good stewards of our own immune systems. That is not only your first line of defense against infection, but it’s your first line of defense against cancers. And that’s something that we all want to prevent. So anyway, there’s lots of different choices out there.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I agree with you. And for me personally, I’m like you, I try to focus on two things, you know, keeping the immune system up and the inflammation sides of things down. So for me personally, those are the two things that I personally try to focus on, even with the things that, you know, you eat and what you’re doing and so on. And again, everybody’s different. That’s just me, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree with you, and I don’t know. I’m sorry. Sometimes if I’m looking at it in writing, I don’t know the other ones you were saying.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I don’t either, and I even tried to do a lookup on those, and I don’t know what NMN is. I can’t answer that. I even did a little, while you were talking, I did a little research on it. I can’t tell either. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I’m not sure what that is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, really quick, before I run out of time here, a question back on the hiatal hernia. It’s funny, we’re back on the hernias. Can a chest X-ray see that, or is it discovered with a CT scan?
SPEAKER 08 :
Great question. If it’s big enough, a chest x-ray will see it. It’d have to be pretty darn big, though. Generally, it’s generally seen on a CAT scan. If it’s big enough, as I said, and I’ve seen plenty in my career where you’ve got a big old loop of bowel up there, you know, sitting next to the lung and saying, well, that’s not right. But generally, it would have to be a relatively large hernia to see that. A CAT scan is much better at actually seeing what we call the rent, the enlargement in the diaphragm, either the hole in the diaphragm where it’s going through, and you can pick that up on CAT scan pretty easily.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Dumb question I have on my part. What are some symptoms that would make you think you’ve got a hiatal hernia?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, as I said, it’s generally reflux. People who have really bad gastric reflux, sometimes it’s early satiety, meaning they feel full early. Sometimes they’ll actually have some chest pain or pain with swallowing. Lots of different symptoms, but the most common one would be symptoms of reflux.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. All right. Again, every time you’re on, Dr. Kelly, I learn something. And for all of you listening, I hope you do as well and always have great questions that come in. And I apologize. Some of you, these questions are a couple of weeks old because in some cases, Dr. Kelly, these things came in shortly after we had conversation two or three weeks ago. And then I just had to stack them up. And then because of what we had to do last week, which again, we had to do, there was no getting around that. It is what it is. And we had to dedicate that show to that so some of these for those of you listening and i hope you’re still listening if not i’ll do my best to try to text you back some of these answers or at least send you to this particular episode so you can go find some things out because again some of these are a little bit old dr kelly but again I appreciate them. They’re great questions, by the way. In fact, some of these questions I would have had myself. So these are absolutely awesome, and I appreciate it greatly. And again, Dr. Kelly, as always, I appreciate all that you do for us. You are a wealth of information. I’ve got about a minute or two left. What do you want to leave folks with?
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Well, as I said, I would really encourage you to go back and look into the hearing of Susan Menard yesterday, the CDC director who was fired, to really understand it would kind of. If you listen to the mainstream media and you don’t go and hear some of the hearing yourself, listen to some of it yourself, I think you get a false idea of what happened. It was far less, by the way, about uncovering the details about her termination and more about continuing to undermine the qualifications and credibility of Secretary Kennedy. It was a lot of grandstanding by the Democrats there. It was somewhat of an embarrassment there. but i think that uh susan menards herself was revealed very clearly to be dishonest i think it’s a good thing that she was fired i’m sorry that there’s ongoing disruption at the cdc or within hhs but i don’t believe it’s the fault of bobby kennedy i think he’s doing a remarkably good job this is what americans voted for they voted for maha they voted for trump They voted to have Bobby Kennedy there to restore trust and confidence in these health care organizations. And that begins with transparency and accountability.
SPEAKER 05 :
Awesome. Dr. Kelly, as always, I appreciate it greatly. Steve House could not join us today. He’s off vacationing, which, again, Dr. Kelly, not a problem at all. We enjoy Steve being with us. We’ll give him a little ribbon when he comes back, of course, which is all great. But, Doctor, have a fantastic rest of your day. And, again, we are so thankful that we’ve got you on a routine basis. I appreciate it greatly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Happy to join you. Thanks.
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