In this eye-opening episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush, Dr. Kelly Victory, and Steve House take the gloves off and dive into the hard truths that legacy media refuses to touch. From the media-fueled Vibrio hysteria to cloud seeding speculation and CDC cover-ups, this hour is packed with insights you won’t hear anywhere else.
Dr. Kelly dismantles the alarmist narrative surrounding ocean bacteria, warning of a deeper agenda tied to climate change fearmongering. The trio exposes Big Pharma’s desperate attempt to salvage trust—revealing a shocking 1,135% increase in autism from the Hepatitis B vaccine, buried for decades by the
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All right, Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, as well as Steve House. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, great. Happy Thursday. Always happy to join you guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. Hope you had a great Independence Day or an Independence Week or whatever it was last week. A lot of people were off, so hopefully you guys had a great week. Steve, you as well. Welcome. Thanks.
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Good to be here, John. Hope you guys are doing well.
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Always a joy. Yep, I am rolling right along. As you guys know, things never seem to slow down. Something different and new happens every single week. So one of the things that you guys sent earlier in the week that I thought we would start in with, and I promoted this, is there was an article you sent about, and I followed a little bit of this. I read into it some. Dr. Kelly, I’m probably going to screw this up, but Vibrio infection, am I saying that correctly?
SPEAKER 07 :
Vibrio, yeah. Vibrio is a class of bacteria. It happens to be the same class that causes cholera, by the way, which most people have heard of. But Vibrio is a very common bacteria found in seawater, in ocean water. So the fact that they were raising the alarm flag that Vibrio was in the water and maybe people should stay away from the beaches, I think, once again, was a bit of fear-mongering. I’m aware, obviously, that any time people are in ocean water, it’s only a problem significantly if you swallow a ton of ocean water, which most people are not looking to do, or if you have an open wound. And I wouldn’t recommend that people really go swimming in a pond, a lake, or the ocean. with a big, you know, deep open wound because it can get infected with all kinds of pathogens, Vibrio being only one.
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Okay, so I guess that was my question is why, you know, where is this alarm coming from? Steve, I think you were the one that sent the article to begin with, you know, why are we sounding this alarm, I guess is my question.
SPEAKER 05 :
Quite frankly, I don’t think we should be. I mean, it’s a fairly common bacteria. You know, I think people are looking for these kind of public health issues are problems. I mean, the 33-year high in measles, I mean, I don’t know if any of this stuff’s really a problem. I mean, Kelly’s probably a better judge than I am, but to me it just seems like it’s relatively normal, but we’ve decided we’re hypersensitive to anything that public health could get their hands on.
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Okay. Makes sense to me. So, in other words, if people are out there reading some of these things and there’s all sorts of, you know, quote-unquote hysteria surrounding it, as with anything, and I talk about this a lot on this program, be careful, right?
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Exactly. And I think that the reality is, you know, can people get infections from water? Absolutely. But I don’t see any reason why the alarm flag should have been raised at this particular point. It’s one thing if we have super, super warm water, for example. And bacterial counts seem to have gone up exponentially. But I didn’t get that from the I certainly read the article that Steve passed along and I was looking to see, wow, have they had a rash of people showing up in the ER with Vibrio infections or have they been sampling the water and all of a sudden found that there’s a 10 X. increase in bacteria counts. But none of that was reported. It just it was a very vague sort of, oh, there’s Vibrio and, you know, maybe you should stay home kind of thing. And again, I think it’s they constantly want to churn the water, pardon the pun, for, you know, the next thing that people should be fearful of, because that’s how they maintain control.
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Makes sense. And I think there’s another part of this, too, and that is that once you have a global social media engine with multiple applications, everybody becomes a reporter, almost. I mean, I heard about three people getting Vibrio on the beach in Florida, so I’m going to put something out on Instagram, then it ends up on TikTok, and then before you know it, you see a story about an increase in Vibrio. But the problem is, everybody’s a reporter and there’s not a lot of fact-checking that goes on in that and certainly not a lot of research to see, well, how much of that is actually normal on an annual basis? I haven’t even heard yet. What’s the normal amount of Vibrio or Vibrio infections that you see on an annual basis? And I don’t think anybody knows what that is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Great point, by the way. So, Dr. Kelly, going back to where even when we were kids, I mean, they would tell you that if you went swimming in a waterhole, be careful, there could be things swimming in there. But, you know, we all did it anyways. I mean, the reality is nobody stopped tubing down irrigation ditches or hanging out in waterholes or whatever. But I guess where I’m going with this is, has it changed since then?
SPEAKER 07 :
I certainly don’t think so. And that’s what I’m saying is it’s always been an issue. Certainly bacterial counts, just like fungus counts or viral counts, they fluctuate based on the ambient conditions in the environment. When it’s warmer, you tend to get overgrowth of certain bacteria. But again, we haven’t seen any, unless they are reporting a significant increase in people actually getting infected, then as Steve said, I think it’s somebody making a story out of nothing.
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Okay, and that was what I kind of was gathering out of all of that. I mean, once again, my fear with some of this, by the way, is sort of like what we’ve had happen this last week with the floods in Texas and the National Weather Service, and there was alerts today even for some things going on on the west side of town, which I get. The storms are building as we’re Speaking on the same token, I looked west of my house and saw how black the skies were, and it’s like, okay, yeah, do I really need a warning for this? I can look outside and see what’s going on. This isn’t really that big of a deal. I understand we’re trying to keep everybody safe and make sure we put out the right warnings and so on. But if we do too much of that, when something really does happen, Dr. Kelly, will people actually listen?
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Well, that’s always the question. And one of the things that happens, unfortunately, with fear mongering is that people do start to get, first of all, crisis fatigue. They get tired of hearing it and they start tuning it out. And that is one of the greatest risks. And I talked about this from the beginning of the COVID pandemic debacle. It said, you know, God help us the next time we raise the flag. actually need people to pay heed because you know the average american with good cause by the way has a right to say i’m not listening to you you know idiots uh you got it totally wrong the last time you had us locked down closed schools wear masks this stupid made a thing of social distancing it was all a big fat lie and now we know it so i’m not going to listen and that’s really a risk The other thing I might mention about this whole Vibrio thing is the storyline. Don’t forget, you can’t forget the underlying storyline, which is that, as I said, bacterial counts go up when the water is warmer.
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Right.
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And of course, the story is that the oceans are getting warmer because of, wait for it, climate change. Right.
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Right.
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So this is all tied to see climate change is what’s causing the water to be warmer and therefore this increase in Vibrio.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Now you’re getting down to the crux of what’s really going on. Again, part of what we even are hearing in regards to some of the flooding and things that we’ve had happen in Texas and New Mexico, and the reality isn’t, you know, you guys know me. I’m a native of Colorado. I have seen many a flash flood. I was around, you know, I was old enough to remember the big Thompson Canyon flood. There was a big, huge flood in Boulder when I was a kid. I mean, Dr. Kelly and Steve, these things have been happening at least in my lifetime, and I’m sure long before I came along.
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No question. I will say that it is strange to me, this horrific situation in Texas, and it is nothing short of horrific. Absolutely. It happened in an area that is prone and well-known to flash flooding. That area along the Guadalupe River is known for it. What’s interesting is that we have seen recent flash floods happen. in places that aren’t normally prone to it. New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Arkansas, some very, a little bit more unusual. And I am not sure that You know, I’m not sure where I stand on this idea of the government manipulating the weather. We know they’re doing cloud seeding. We know that they have, you know, silver iodide, I believe it is, that is being aerosolized. And I don’t know. That is not my area of expertise. So I am not sure exactly what impact all of that manipulation may have on things like floods.
SPEAKER 03 :
Gotcha. And by the way, there were some stories even that came out about Texas, and I’m sure you guys read this as well, where there had been some cloud seeding operations going on several days in advance. Now, according to the company that did the cloud seeding, even the cloud that they went into and seeded, they didn’t feel like there was any real even positive effects. And even that, you know, as you guys all know, The verdict is even out on, you know, how much can we really affect things at the end of the day? We’ve been doing it for an awfully long time. You know, guys, and this is one of those where I personally haven’t read enough or seen enough positive data one way or the other to make a solid confirmation that, yep, that’s in fact why there was big floods in Texas. Steve, you want to comment on that?
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Yeah, yeah, a couple. Number one, I mean, the Texas flood was obviously disastrous and horrible, but Chicago on Tuesday night had over five inches of rain in areas of the city that it wasn’t just five inches of rain in a flash flood in downtown Chicago with warning. It was the rate of the rain, the amount of the rain per hour, the rain per half hour was something they’d never seen before. So, you know, is that cloud seeding? I’ve had a lot of people bring that to my attention. A lot of people who think it is cloud seeding and that there’s some nefarious processes going on with regards to Texas and the kids and everything else. So I don’t know whether we can debate that rationally or not, but I do want to go on the record and say that I am far safer in a pond or a lake today than I was when I was a kid because my older brother can no longer go in the water.
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There you go. Good one. I have a question that came in a moment ago that we’ll answer as soon as we come back. Lots of things to discuss today, by the way, which we may not get to all of it. If not, we’ll get to some of it again next week because an hour goes by really fast. Let’s just say that. So, guys, hang tight. Those of you who may be tuning in for the first time, go check out Dr. Kelly. We’ve got a full list of things we’ve done in the past with her on our website, RushToReason.com. Steve House, again, is the individual that put all this together years ago now, five-plus years ago. We’ve been doing this on Thursdays. We will be right back, though. Up next, though, Dr. Scott Faulkner. And if you’re thinking about a doctor and changing doctors and having somebody that thinks exactly the way we do, look no further than Dr. Scott, 303-663-6990.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly, before we go any further, a listener texted in and asked, and we get this question quite a bit, so might as well cover it again. It just shows that we have people that listen at different times to different shows. The shingles vaccine, worth doing or not? What are your thoughts?
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Well, you know, I can’t tell any individual what he or she should do, but let’s start with the basics. Anybody who has had chicken pox, is at risk to develop shingles down the road. If you’ve never had chickenpox and you were vaccinated for chickenpox, you don’t even need to think about taking the shingles vaccine because shingles is a result of the lingering virus of chickenpox that stays dormant in your spinal cord. So start with that. So people who’ve had chickenpox in the past are at risk to develop shingles. Shingles is a painful rash. It can pop up. Out of the blue, it certainly can happen at times of stress or when your immune system is suppressed for any reason. We’ve seen a lot more outbreaks of shingles since the rollout of the mRNA COVID vaccines, by the way, because of suppression of the immune system. I personally am not a fan of the shingles vaccine. There are lots of reports of severe complications from it, including Guillain-Barre, where you develop paralysis shingles while it is painful and unsightly and nobody wants to have it. I’ve had it six times in my lifetime. No one has ever died of shingles. No one has ever been paralyzed from shingles. No one has ever been maimed or permanently disabled from shingles. And I can’t say that about the shingles vaccine. So for me, everything comes down to a risk-benefit calculation. And there are lots of reasons why you might choose to take it. But I think you just need to be aware that everything comes with a potential risk. And most people will not ever develop shingles, even if they’ve had chickenpox. The vast majority of people, you know, certainly the vast majority of people in this country over the age of 55 had chickenpox because the vaccine wasn’t out when we were growing up. OK, good point. And so talk to all the people, you know, over 55 and come up with a number of people, you know, who have ever had a shingles outbreak. They’re not that many.
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True.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good point. So the idea of vaccinating everybody, OK, because they had chickenpox in the past and might develop shingles. You know, I think it’s it really doesn’t. The numbers don’t pencil out for me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think one of the things that you said, which I think is really key, is that no one has died from shingles. Is it painful? Is it miserable? Yes, it definitely is. I’ve known people personally that have had it. Now, I never have, and I don’t know, Dr. Kelly, if that’s a… you know, DNA thing or how that works. I’m getting to that age where, you know, you would think by now if I was going to have them, I would. It doesn’t mean that I won’t ever have them. But then you have to also ask the question, you know, are just some people more prone for certain things than others? And then I guess the other question I have for you when it comes to shingles specifically, are there things that we can do, dietarily speaking, to stave them off? Or is it just one of those things, if you’re going to get it, you’re going to get it, period?
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Well, I will tell you, there’s certainly things you can do to enhance the functioning of your immune system. And interestingly, since COVID started and I really doubled down on supplements like zinc and quercetin and all the things that we talked about back at the height of the pandemic. I have been remarkably well. I haven’t had as much as a cold, let alone an outbreak of shingles or anything else. So I got to tell you, I do think that there’s some research that would indicate that, as I said, supplementing things like vitamin D and zinc is very helpful, obviously not just for your immune system overall, but decreases your risk of ever developing shingles. Now, as I said, there are people who have horrific cases of shingles, and there’s a rare entity where you can get it that involves shingles. the nerve that goes to your eye and can involve the eye, and that becomes an issue that needs to be managed very quickly by an ophthalmologist. But these are very, very rare cases. And so, again, I think you need to weigh your risks if you are immunocompromised already for some other reason. Perhaps it’s something that you might want to think about more seriously. But for the average person, I am not a fan of the Shingrix. It’s called Shingrix, the shingles vaccine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Steve, moving along, another topic that I know we are going back and forth on, and this one I read through, and again, all of these things I always try to do as much research on as I can. In some cases, there’s not a lot of things to back up certain things that we end up having come across either our inboxes or websites. or even things we pass amongst ourselves. There may be only one source, for example, on certain things that we’ll talk about. And this is one where there is a story out where there is essentially, or potentially, I guess I should say, there was at one point a coup against RFK Jr. I think, Steve, you were the first one to send that out, and I read through all of that, and there’s a lot to read in regards to it, by the way.
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Well, yeah, I mean, think about it. I mean, the pharma companies themselves, We’re obviously very upset about him getting the appointment because just think about where these guys have come. Take them back to 2024. Lots of scuttlebutt about the COVID vaccines and people trying to push them out. They’re defending the COVID vaccine. They’re trying to sell more of it. Had they only known that the side effects of the COVID vaccine would open up a discussion about every single vaccine on the vaccine list, putting all of their revenue from all of those vaccines at risk. I’m not so sure they would have been so hard on the team risk, but most of them saying Steve really quick, be careful what you wish for. Yeah. Yeah. Be careful what you wish for. And in the meantime, you know, the guy that you make into a culprit because in Congress during his confirmation, they made it sound like he was vaccine crazy and anti-vaxxer, you know, that he was going to kill children. You know, they keep forgetting the Amish studies and all the other things like that. But yeah, there was a, There’s a coup attempt. I don’t think it’s over. I think they’ll continue on that pathway all the way as long as he’s sitting in that seat.
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Yeah, that one I can’t disagree with you on that one, Steve. I think he is such a threat, and Dr. Kelly, you know this, such a threat to not only big pharma, but just the way big health care in general is run, Dr. Kelly. I think RFK Jr. is somebody that if they had their way, he would not be there.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I agree. He’s not just a threat to Big Pharma. He’s a threat to the Congress people because they all take a lot of money from Big Pharma. Very true. Good point. Believe me, there are millions and millions and millions of dollars in the balance here. So there’s no question that Bobby Kennedy Jr. was an unconventional pick for HHS. And that’s precisely why I thought he was the perfect pick. Because let’s face it, conventional picks have delivered us to the abysmal state of ill health where we find ourselves today, where we have 40 percent of adolescents with prediabetes and obesity. Eighty percent of Americans have at least one chronic illness. We pay more for health care than we’ve ever paid. It continues to skyrocket in prices. Care is getting worse and worse. We have an epidemic of autism and other autoimmune illnesses in children that we’ve never had before. So that’s what conventional picks have given us. So I liked the idea that we brought somebody in there who was going to shake things up a bit. But, boy, he is very threatening to the status quo. Certainly to those people who have been ensconced for decades in some of our agencies, the CDC, the FDA, you name it. Those people are career big agency people. And he’s questioning everything, you know, kind of the way that Elon Musk did, where you’re going to have to actually justify your existence, justify the research you’re doing and the money that you’re getting to do it.
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Well, in the mindset shift, Dr. Kelly, and Steve, I’ll throw this to you as well, but the mindset shift even across the board when it comes to how do we stay healthy? I mean, let’s go all the way back to the food pyramid where it was sort of a one-size-fits-all, eat these things, you’ll be healthy, which, by the way, was totally backwards. No, in fact, it didn’t help anybody get healthy. If anything, it put us on track to being one of the most unhealthy countries, even though we’ve got more people disposable food and things that we have at our fingertips. Literally there’s, you know, a prepackaged, which isn’t the best as we know, but literally you can go to almost any corner, any gas station and find something neat. The reality is we don’t have quote unquote food deserts. Like a lot of folks, even on the left would lead you to believe that, The food pyramid and a lot of things that came along those lines, Dr. Kelly, my point is we’ve been fed this sort of one-size-fits-all approach to health care and eating and so on. And what we’ve learned, of course, is nothing could be farther from the truth. And RFK Jr. wants to shake that up and make it so that everybody knows it needs to be tailored to you and it isn’t one-size-fits-all.
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Absolutely. And he also is trying to get us off of the treatment train, you know, the idea that we don’t really have a health care system. We have a disease care system where we are constantly looking for what’s the, you know, you have high cholesterol, you have high blood pressure, you have this or that. You’re looking for what’s the best pill to take rather than What are the lifestyle changes that you could make? What are the you know, what are the choices you could change with regard to what you eat, how you sleep, what you exercise in order to change and manage that disease process? And he’s the first person in a long time. You know, it’s certainly something that I’ve based my career on. But we’ve needed somebody in Washington at the helm who can start to drive some of that narrative and drive that programming.
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Steve, your thoughts on all of that? came about, Steve, because the cigarette companies, who knew that their days were numbered as far as advertising, what they were going to be able to push along those lines, bought food companies that they knew they could basically do the same thing on the food end of things that they had done on the cigarette end of things. And I’m not wrong in what I just said.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, and I think the… You know, look at this in a more general sense, right? Bobby Kennedy is a disruptor. There’s no doubt about it. He has very specific beliefs. He does significant amounts of research. And there are a bunch of people out there who who’ve never done anywhere near as much research, but they have their own beliefs about vaccines and medicines. And they are opposed to him without having an open mind to begin with. I mean, you really have to say, OK. I don’t think this guy’s out there with an agenda. I don’t think he’s making a lot of money because he’s a disruptor. He really believes what he tells you. And when somebody believes that much, you should check it out. I also think, and this is not a popular opinion among my MAGA friends, but… I don’t have a problem with Elon Musk trying to shake things up either. I mean, if you question what’s in the big, beautiful bill and there’s $100 million slush fund for White House to do certain things and the other things, I mean, look, if you can’t answer the question of someone who’s disruptive, then you don’t either you don’t understand the subject well enough or you don’t believe it strongly enough to defend it. So I like Bobby because he’s a disruptor, and I hope that we have him around for quite a while.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I don’t mind disruptors either. I think my only complaint that I have with Elon Musk is it’s very frustrating in Washington, but the reality is it is what it is. You’ve got to be a disruptor, but you cannot get so frustrated that you now are just throwing in the towel and you want to go start your own third party, which, Steve, you, as all people, know. that’s not going to do anything at the end of the day other than screw things up for the Republican Party. You’ve got to figure out a way to continue to work inside of the system that we have, be a disruptor inside of that system. But I’m not a third-party fan because it never works out well in the end.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you know, I think what Musk’s goal there is, and a lot of people think he’s trying to find a candidate he can make into a president. I don’t think that’s it at all. What he wants is he wants a few congressional seats, to try to stop there from being just simple majority rule. You know, they’re going to have to be convincing in a little bit more detail about what they do. There’s lots of third parties. There’s not, I mean, to say third party, it’s more like the 12th party when you consider Green, Libertarian, all these other parties. So I don’t look at it as a third party. I look at it as just another political party. Throwing bombs out there that aren’t true. You know, those are the kind of things that with disinformation, social media today, they’re not healthy. I like the part that’s asking specific questions, not the part that’s making wild accusations.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I’m with you guys on that one as well. And again, you guys know me. I’m all for disrupting. I’m all for throwing the right questions out. I am all for making sure that we hold people accountable on all levels. But I also know, and I think you two do as well, that the bigger the ship is, The longer it takes to turn things around, you know, the rudder is very small, and you can take a little bitty boat and turn it around on a dime. On the same token, if that’s a cruise ship, you need a lot of room to turn it around. Well, we’re not on a cruise ship in this country. It’s about 100 cruise ships long that we’re trying to turn around. And the reality is, yes, you do have to start someplace, and we have to keep people accountable in doing so. And I can— and I’ve said this before, I can feel Elon Musk’s frustration. You guys know me. I am one where I have always been, for the most part, my own boss. If I want something done in my company, you walk in the door, you make a decision, that is done, you move on. That’s the same thing that he is used to. The problem is, if I went to Washington, I’d be just as frustrated as him, because that’s not how it works there. It should, but it doesn’t, Steve.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and I think there’s, I’m going to use Kelly as an example of a disruptor. I think there’s the kind of disruptor that will tell you about mainstream stuff in a very rational way, right? I mean, you know, Kelly can be as rational and intellectually, you know, intelligent and accurate about things as she wants to be. But then when she believes something passionately, she throws it out there. If you’re always disruptive by throwing stuff out there without having any sort of rational sense to you, you make little to no progress. And I think You know, we have to have a debate in this country. We’re almost 250 years old. Democracies last on average like 250 years. So I think there needs to be debate. And I think Elon Musk could be useful in this debate. And I’m certainly not going to get off the Elon train just yet because I do want some useful discussion about why the deficit and the debt are so high.
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Yeah, and I’ve kind of been the same way on our program here, Steve. I’m definitely not against him. I do think that there’s times he’s not as politically savvy as he probably should be, and he needs to take a step back and realize that this isn’t my company. And while I can walk into one of my companies and walk into pretty much any door I want and get things to turn around tomorrow and whatever I say goes, that’s not how – again, as much as – is I wish you could do things quickly like that in Washington, D.C. And Steve, again, you’re more of the political expert here than all three of us, by the way, because this is your expertise. In one way, I wish we could. But on the other hand, we have checks and balances and three branches of government for a reason. And no, when you have that, you’re not going to turn things around that quickly. Am I right in what I just said?
SPEAKER 05 :
You are right. I mean, I will give you one other example of, you know, besides the vaccines, the shingles vaccines and all the stuff we’re talking about, we have this one other article about the eleven hundred and thirty five percent that we’re going to get to probably. But I’ll challenge you on this, that I just recently dealt with a person who was paying a thousand dollars a month in copay for a diabetes drug. I sourced the drug for them from someplace else. The copay went to zero. Their original company called them back, said, we’ll drop it to $25 in copay, keep you in your health plan, and we’ll give you the first three months for free. When that kind of stuff happens, when so quickly, so easily, you know that there’s something going on behind the scenes that’s got to come out. And while I do like checks and balances, I don’t want things to move so slowly on the corruption that we pay out the nose until we’re dead.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. No, I agree with that 100%, Steve. Absolutely. Dr. Kelly, this just came in from a listener, and I had not heard anything about this, but RFK Jr. now is getting a little bit of criticism because he recently praised Mom’s Meals, which is a company that sends prepackaged meals to people who are older or are living with illnesses like cancer or diabetes. The problem, I guess, with Mom’s Meals is they’re ultra-processed, and so I guess he’s coming under fire because he’s… People claiming he’s a hypocrite now because he’s basically talking out of both sides of his mouth. I personally wouldn’t look at it that way, but I’m not the press.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think the people who are critical of the fact that he praised them, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. What Bobby Kennedy was praising about it was… He is really very, very sensitive to people’s social plight, to people being lonely, isolated, falling under the prey of substance abuse issues. from what i heard him say he was praising the program could the food choices be better sure but compared to not delivering anything to those people if the alternative is nothing you’re an elderly person with cancer and alone and you got is nothing better than something highly processed i don’t think so so don’t let you know the perfect be the enemy don’t throw the baby out with the bath water in other words yeah i i yeah i You know, he was praising a program with regard to the outreach to people and then saying, you know, yes, this is the kind of thing that he’d like to see more of. Can we do better in terms of making it chock full of fresh fruits and vegetables and healthier foods? Absolutely. But, you know, the program itself, I think he is correct in praising.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Dr. Kelly Victory, and Steve House. Okay, let’s move into, start with you, Dr. Kelly. We’re RFK Jr. the other day, and this is another story that is not prevalent in mainstream media. You’ve got to do a little digging to find where he actually even said this, but RFK Jr. is now talking about the CDC covering up an increase in autism from hepatitis B, and it’s well over, what, it’s like 1135% increase. It’s huge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, and this is not a new study. This study was done in 1999. The CDC conducted a study, their own study, and they compared children who had received the hepatitis B vaccine in the first 30 days of life to children who either received it later or not at all. And what they found was that there was an eleven hundred and thirty five percent increase in autism in the children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in the first 30 days of life. Now, most children receive it on day one before they actually leave the hospital. It’s given routinely. This study and those overwhelming, those just horrific findings was deep-sixed by the CDC. They have known about this for a quarter of a century, okay? But they are continuing to give it. This is the kind of corruption, fraud. It should be downright illegal, frankly. And in Kelly Victory’s world, people should go to jail. People should be in prison over this kind of thing. There should be accountability. And this is hardly the only study of its sort that was fundamentally conducted and then hidden from the public and certainly did not factor into whether or not the vaccines made it onto the childhood vaccine schedule.
SPEAKER 03 :
So then the question you have to start asking is how many others of these are there like this?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, how many other vaccines or studies?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, things that were buried by the CDC is I guess what I’m saying. It could be either.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, I think tremendous number. I mean, just start with the fact that, you know, Bobby Kennedy was absolutely correct when he confronted Anthony Fauci under oath and said, you know, that not a single vaccine that is on the childhood schedule has ever undergone a blinded, you know, placebo based study. Not one. They all were tested against another vaccine. Another vaccine is not a placebo. So all you can say then is that this vaccine is no less safe than the other vaccine. You’re not proving its safety at all. So start with that. But I think there are myriad studies that have been hidden from the public. We know over and over again, every time the big study comes out, you know, we have a huge Cleveland Clinic study, for example, showing with regard to COVID that 53,000 patients in this study. And they showed irrefutably that the more shots you got for COVID, the more likely you were to get COVID. Mm hmm. OK, that was a well-run study and it’s been replicated by other by other academic centers. Yet still, you have our government, the CDC out there saying, you know, get your COVID booster shot. You don’t want to get COVID.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s an ad. My wife was shopping at Costco yesterday and sent me a picture of an ad talking about seniors in high school. Make sure you get your COVID vaccine before you graduate. I forgot to send that to both of you. I apologize. I meant to send that last night. I got busy and was doing some other things when I got home last night and totally forgot. But I was going to send you that. That was actually inside of Costco as she was shopping yesterday, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And we are hearing it still. And the reality is, fortunately, fortunately, vaccine acceptance has dropped for for covid vaccines has dropped. The interest in vaccines has dropped precipitously. Very few people are getting them despite the fact that they keep pushing them. What what takes me off is that the government keeps spending our tax dollars to buy more and more of these shots. that then end up expiring and getting sent down the drain. So now we’re supposed to be, you know, the most recent fear fest. is about you know razor blade throat uh the nimbus variant of covid uh you know 1.8.1 uh which supposedly causes this horrible sore throat look there are lots of viruses that cause a sore throat there’s nothing about this one that’s serious covid has mutated exactly the way that we said it would at the very beginning it’s become more contagious and less severe. Nobody is getting admitted to the hospital with it. People are not dying from it. They aren’t ending up on ventilators. They aren’t ending up in the ICU from COVID any longer. That’s been years now since that happened and we just have to stop. There isn’t a chance in hell that the current Boosters for COVID will prevent this particular new mutation because the boosters were based on a variant that’s long gone, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Long gone. Steve, you had sent some things, I believe it was last week, where they’re talking about wanting to figure out a way to combine, quote unquote, the flu shot and the mRNA COVID shot into one. And I’ll be straight up honest. I didn’t read through all of that. Give us an update on that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, first, a comment. I mean. So let me ask you guys a question, right? And I think everybody should be asking this question. What is the CDC’s job? And I think the answer to that question is to evaluate and determine whether or not something we’re going to put into our bodies is safe or not, you know, and to analyze diseases and determine how to best protect ourselves. I would tell you that based on what we’ve seen, that number 1135, what happened with COVID shots, they’re not doing anything. that they’re doing actually the opposite. They’re putting us in more danger based on their behavior. I would advocate if I were Bobby Kennedy right now, I would say, look, we’re going to shut it down. I mean, why would you let an organization exist? I know at some level we need some of what they do, but my God, how can you let an organization that’s not only not doing what it’s supposed to, it’s doing exactly the opposite of what it’s supposed to. The best way for you to protect the American people and HHS is stop it altogether.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because it’s continuing to do that, and the evidence of that is what you just brought up, is that Moderna is pitching, and I think they’re getting approval on the idea that a COVID and a flu shot mRNA base will be combined into a single shot, and you’ll start to see that shot probably this fall and winter. I don’t think there’s anything they can do to stop it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which, Dr. Kelly, in my opinion, is just becoming very dubious because what they’ll do is get people that would typically get a flu shot. They’re now just going to combine that. They’ll say, well, you know, it’s kind of the best of both worlds, and somebody that wants a flu shot will just end up with it, period, no matter whether they wanted it or not, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I hear. Are they trying to kill us? Is that really what’s going on here? Are they trying to kill us with all the side effects of mRNA vaccines?
SPEAKER 03 :
What other conclusion could you come to? You guys know my thoughts on that. We’ve been talking about that for quite some time. So, Dr. Kelly, I’ll let you comment, but you already know my feelings on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I agree. I think that there is so much money to be made by this mRNA technology and so much money has been invested in it already that they are not going to back down. And they keep looking for other new and better ways that they can combine these shots. I will say it again. Number one, you cannot vaccinate your way to good health. People need to spend way more time focusing on their overall health, get your weight under control, get your sleep and stress under control, clean up your diet. If you’re not exercising 30 minutes a day, at least five days a week, start because there isn’t a vaccine out there, good or bad. There isn’t a drug out there. There isn’t a pill, an injection, or anything else that is going to help you if you are not doing the basics. And that’s Dr. Victory’s tough love message for today. We have got to get back to taking personal responsibility.
SPEAKER 03 :
We talk about that every Wednesday during Health and Wellness. We’ve talked about it during this hour for a long time. Steve, I am right with you on this one and have several text messages that have come in as well, my wife included, where, yes, they are, in fact, I believe, trying to kill us. The reality, Steve and Dr. Kelly, as we talked about this all the way back during COVID, there are those out there. And I’m sorry to say, folks, you may or may not believe me on this, but there are those out there that think the Earth is far too overpopulated. People are a scourge. We really shouldn’t be here in the first place. The best thing we could ever do to Mother Earth is eliminate all the people that are on it. And if any of you out there listening to me don’t believe that, just go do a teeny, teeny bit of research, and you’ll find, Steve, of course, that we’re not wrong in what we’re saying there. That is the belief of a lot of people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, Bill Gates talks about it a lot. I mean, there’s a lot of, I mean, the Chinese started to reduce population years and years ago with reducing the number of babies that women could have. And, you know, there’s a natural overall reduction because of the lower birth rates. But there are people in the climate change world who think man created climate change, and they’re foolish. There’s not a lot of evidence of that. And as a result of that, that we should have less people, and they’re all for anything that makes that happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, that’s exactly right. No, Dr. Kelly and Steve, both of you, I mean, these are things, some of the basic things we’ve talked about since, Dr. Kelly, literally since you started, you know, coming on with us. I mean, just some of the things that we even did through COVID, I think, prove the fact of what we’re talking about right now. Not to go back and rehash things, but if you look at the things that we actually had to do during COVID, all of the stupid things, the things that were enacted, some of the health orders, the distancing, the closing down of certain things, restaurants and businesses and schools and so on. I mean, Dr. Kelly, if people, you know, if that wasn’t enough of an eye opener for people to really understand what those that are in power want to do, I don’t know what else to tell them.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I will tell you, if you gave me the task of sitting down and crafting a plan to do the most damage to people, to do the most damage to people’s health, overall health and wellness, I would have pretty much drafted what the pandemic response plan was. Take something as simple as the idea of not being able to visit your loved ones in the hospital. Let me tell you, first of all, social isolation, solitary confinement, that is what we do to the worst of the worst criminals. It is one of the worst punishments you can do to somebody. It breaks their soul. And the fact that this was done to millions of people while they were sick and alone, the idea that people did not get to attend graduations and weddings and funerals and instead were isolated. That by itself should have been a red flag. The idea that we isolated children, made them stay home from school, made them miss social events and social interactions when we knew we had irrefutable data showing that children were fundamentally at zero risk from COVID. They just didn’t get it. And if they did get it, they didn’t get sick from it. They got a common cold. These are the sorts of things. And I am if I sound angry, it’s because I’m angry. I am really, really mad about this. We allowed this to happen. And thus far, there’s been really no accountability, despite the fact that we had all hoped for it. We have everything from Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx. You know, Rochelle Lewinsky, you know, we have those people acknowledging that they lied, acknowledging that they made up the whole thing about social distancing, acknowledging that they knew that masks didn’t stop the spread of it, acknowledging that they knew that children weren’t at risk and acknowledging that they did those things because they knew if they made people aware. uncomfortable enough miserable enough that they would comply with the vaccine mandate that is pure unadulterated evil it is fraud it is corrupt it is just i don’t even know what else to say they have acknowledged it that there’s been no you’re right no right no response
SPEAKER 03 :
Steve, I’ll give you the last word on that because literally that’s some of the things we’ve talked about now for five years. And this is my opinion, Steve. I want to get yours before we close out. It’s only because of folks like us and some of the things that we did to be the disruptor of all the things Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago, that 20%, I guess you could say, rebellious control group, which is all of us, by the way, I think it’s only because of that 20%. 20% and a lot of others, by the way, that even got on board later. But really, some of us at the core that just refused to do some of the things that they mandated. Had it not been for us, Steve, who knows where we’d be today? And I’m not taking any credit for that. There was a lot of us out there, but those of us that did that were disruptors.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and I think disruptors are evolving into citizen action-oriented groups. I mean, in reality, if citizens don’t start taking responsibility for changing things It’s never going to happen. I mean, you know, Birx is not going to jail. Anthony Fauci is not going to jail. And apparently no one who knew Jeffrey Epstein is going to jail. Those kinds of things, while that’s a different issue, it’s still a symptom of the problem. I mean, James Comer and the boys in Washington can hold hearings all day long, every day. If no one ever goes to jail, then what the people have to do… is we have to police ourselves. We have to make it unacceptable that what people are saying. We have to stop taking the vaccines that we know aren’t good for us. We need to let the CDC and public health know they’re no longer somebody we trust. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Great closing. Steve, Dr. Kelly, great show today. Thank you so much for all of your wisdom and all of what you’ve done over the past five years. I mean that sincerely. I always start with you, Dr. Kelly, but thank you so much for all that you do for us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you for having me. I appreciate the platform, and I think we do good work every week, so thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you very much. Steve, you’re the one that got this all going from the get-go. We owe you the credit, so thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you know, it’s partially because you and Dr. Kelly are not widely available, so I get to talk to you at least once a week for an hour.
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