In this enlightening episode of ‘Rush to Reason’, join host John Rush as he navigates complex discussions with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. As we approach the Thanksgiving holiday, the trio delves into the foundational aspects of societal trust, particularly in the realms of healthcare, media, and governmental control. Dr. Kelly emphasizes the importance of pre-COVID dialogues that allowed for robust discussions and contrasts this with the censorship reality faced during the pandemic. This episode not only reflects on the impacts of these changes but also hypothesizes the future of open dialogue and scientific exploration. Moreover, the discussion
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And it’s Thursday. Welcome to our Thursday edition Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House both with us as we head into the Thanksgiving week next week. So first off, Dr. Kelly, happy Thanksgiving.
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Thank you for having me. It’s always good to join you.
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Always great having you as well. Steve, you as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you also. Yeah, and to you, I hope we still get to celebrate this holiday going forward in the future. Yeah, me too. I like Thanksgiving. Yeah, I like Thanksgiving. I like them all, actually, but this one especially because I’m thankful for all sorts of things, and I guess I’ll start off the show today by saying that you two especially. I learn so much, and I know our listeners do as well. I learn so much from both of you on a weekly and, in my case, sometimes daily basis because of the things that we share back and forth that, Dr. Kelly, we’re very blessed to have you.
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Well, thank you. It’s been a great opportunity for me, John, and I appreciate you making the platform available for us to have this discussion. You’ll remember prior to COVID, these sorts of discussions were very common. In fact, I would say they were the cornerstone of medicine. We commonly had robust, vigorous, respectful discussions. debate. But then when COVID came, all of a sudden, alternative theories or thoughts about anything were shut down, censored, ridiculed. I mean, the whole thing became quite dystopian, frankly. So I’m hoping that if nothing else… we have been able to model for your listeners, John, what is supposed to be, how professionals are supposed to have dialogue, discuss studies, discuss theories, and come up with a reasonable conclusion as to what is likely the truth.
SPEAKER 09 :
Amen. Steve, very well said. And you were the one instrumental in making all of this happen. And Dr. Kelly’s right. And even, you know, we would talk about some of these things even prior to COVID before Kelly started joining us. And, you know, reality is, yeah, at one point in time, you could have robust debates. And we’re, we, through COVID, and I think some of it was even Steve starting to happen even prior to COVID, but through COVID definitely got things shut down. And And Dr. Kelly’s right. This is an avenue that we have. And I’m fortunate to even be here on Crawford Broadcasting and having them allow us to do the things that we do, which it’s a great asset to them and our listeners and so on. But at the end of the day, Steve, this dialogue is healthy. Anytime, and we talk about this in all sorts of other topics as well, but anytime dialogue is squashed, people lose.
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It is. I mean, that’s the essence of how capitalism and freedom work. I mean, if you take things away from them where they can’t say, it’s England, right? I mean, England’s going through this right now. But I heard yesterday there is at least, I think this is true. There are something like 27 states in the United States that have laws passed that almost essentially require you to support Israel. Now, I’ve got lots of Israeli and Jewish friends, but I’m not sure why we would have laws passed that support another country’s agenda at the state level. That doesn’t make sense to me. So some of that stuff’s weird, but free-to-free speech is absolutely necessary, and we’re losing it.
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No, you’re exactly right. We are. And Dr. Kelly, you’re right on what you just said. And a lot of that during COVID happened. And I guess a question for you, Dr. Kelly, we’ll start because we’re seeing lots of things now come out in the news. We’ve talked about some of these things in the few weeks past where we’ve been together and some of the findings now that are starting to come out. My fear, though, Dr. Kelly, is even some of these findings that are proving that what the three of us talked about for the past five years are true. They’re not getting spread around quickly enough and or vastly enough.
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No, you’re quite right. It really takes a long, long time to get the truth out there to the masses. Interestingly, something that just hit yesterday was the CDC has now officially changed on the CDC website and states the truth, which is that the statement, childhood vaccines are not related or associated as a causative agent of autism, is not scientifically based. They’re saying that that statement is not scientifically based because the studies have not been done. This is huge. The CDC is now saying what you and I have been saying, frankly, for years now, that it has not been proven that they are not the causative agent of autism. And for the CDC to finally state that, it really was a response to a publication put out about three weeks ago by the McCullough Foundation stating that, in fact, based on their research, it appears that the single common theme in autism that is modifiable is the childhood vaccines, the frequency and the number of them and how they’re bundled together. But you’re right, John, it takes a long time to get this out there. People don’t tend to read a study or they don’t know who to trust when it comes to a journal article. But when the CDC actually goes on their own website and says, Yep, turns out, people, the safety studies actually haven’t been done, and we cannot say now that vaccines don’t cause autism. That’s huge.
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It is huge. On top of that, Steve, and you guys, you, I think it was you that sent this to Dr. Kelly and I, and if I have that wrong, please. Tell me. But this came out of X post by Jim Ferguson talking about the Kissinger report and the WHO and Bill Gates and other things. And basically, not only is it what Dr. Kelly just said, it actually in some cases, Steve, it’s worse because we’ve been again, something we’ve been talking about for about five years now. There’s some really nefarious actors out there that believe in depopulation because they think the earth is overpopulated, and certain types of medicines and or vaccines or whatever we say, Steve, because it’s a variety, are ways for them to, quote-unquote, decrease population.
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Oh, no doubt. I mean, I think I just still struggle sometimes with the idea that someone would create something a vaccine, a chemtrail, something in an environmental setting that would end people’s lives, make them more miserable, shorten their lives because they’re trying to control population. But there’s so much evidence it’s hard to ignore. It really is. It’s hard to ignore. It’s hard to believe. I mean, I talked to somebody from the IRS yesterday about, you know, why they want more taxes from me. And I’m like, for what? What are you going to do with it? Are you going to buy condoms for 12-year-olds in the Congo? I mean, are you going to spend more money on gain-of-function research so you can kill us faster? I mean, what do you want the money for? But unfortunately, there’s so much evidence, I don’t think there’s a possibility it can’t be true.
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And Dr. Kelly, some of what this report or this particular post in the report that he’s referring to is talking about is, you know, the WHO back in the 70s developing, you know, HCG fertility regulating vaccines. In other words, we’re not going to kill people off with this particular formula, but let’s pull back on how many kids are being, you know, are being produced, if you would, or being, you know, being born. And you have to wonder, and I’m not a conspiracy theorist, you guys know that, but you got to wonder with, The amount of individuals, and I know some of these, and they’re very dear people, love them greatly, and they struggle to have kids because of who knows what, Dr. Kelly. And then you have to start wondering, is that a result of some of the things that I’m reading to you right now?
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Look, this is simply not conspiracy theory. The philosophy that population growth is too rapid for resources is the premise of Thomas Malthus’ book in 1798, an essay on the principles of population. Malthusian theory, the idea that human populations grow exponentially while food production increases only linearly, leads to an inevitable imbalance You know, and poverty, famine and social unrest. This goes back to the 1700s. The problem is that Malthus didn’t have a plan for how he was going to carefully control the population to prevent this resource depletion. Now, fast forward to the 2000s. All of a sudden, scientists have come up with ways, some of them quite nefarious, in order to control the population. So they claim it’s sort of in their minds that it’s the means or a necessary way to the end of controlling population. But it is absolutely horrific. given the fact that not only has science expanded so that we can control the population this way, but science has expanded so that we can increase resources as well. We have way better ways to increase crop production, for example, to increase the production of lots of things, so that we needn’t be limited by the population to have… abjects famine and poverty. But I don’t think it’s one bit a conspiracy theory. Clearly, these are Malthusians.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, Steve House as well. And guys, going back to the whole, you know, are there really nefarious individuals out there? And, you know, what’s their ultimate goal and what are they scheming to do and so on? And I think it’s fair to say, Dr. Kelly, that and I’ll start with you, that. I think there’s more than just, you know, a nefarious individual. I think there’s a movement along those lines. plethora of and anytime they can figure out ways to, you know, force their control upon us, just like they did during COVID, Dr. Kelly, that’s exactly what they’re going to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, 100%, John. It’s all part of the Malthusian plan. You not only have to control the population, but you have to control the climate. You have to control the environment. Why do you think they want us to eat bugs, not beef? All of these things are tied together. That’s why they want you to have an electric car if you have a car at all. 15-minute cities. It’s all about control and this sick, really somewhat satanic idea that they know better than everybody else. And they certainly think they know better than God for how the world is supposed to work. And they will stop at nothing to impose these restrictions on you, whether they have to eliminate certain segments of the population, whether they have to outlaw eating beef, whether they tell you you can’t fly or travel on a bus. or buy more than three articles of clothing in a given year, whatever it is. It really is a God complex on steroids.
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It is. Steve, what do you want to add to that? Because you see this from probably a little different level than even Dr. Kelly and I do. I mean, I see it just because I get to interview a lot of different people and read a lot of different things and so on. But you’re in kind of the admin end of things and even get to hear some things behind the scenes that, frankly, no one else does.
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yeah you know it every whether it’s health care or if any other aspect of american life you know that that that the real problem is twofold one is the government doesn’t trust us Obviously, if they did trust us, there wouldn’t be so many regulations. There wouldn’t be so many controls on what we do. They would trust you to make money and pay your taxes. Rather than making it a law, they have to withdraw taxes out of your paycheck before you get it. There’s so many aspects. The government doesn’t trust us. And then they want to know why we don’t trust them. And that part is really, really disturbing. I spent, oh, I don’t know, some time around hospitals in the last decade. A few days, my mother died last night in a hospital.
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Oh, I’m sorry to hear that.
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Oh, I’m sorry. It was time because she was demented and she had COPD and her life was just really, really difficult. But watching the number of tests. and things that were done on her in the last few days of life. I mean, I know hospitals. I know Dr. Kelly. I know hospitals. But thinking to myself, I can’t even imagine what the bill is going to be. And then it comes to building problems. When are we going to get to a point of trust? Listen to Glenn Beck at some point. I’ll forward it to you guys. About the nine steps it takes to get to civil unrest to the point where you’re You’re having a civil war, essentially. We are a long way down that path, and there’s a lot of examples, and we’re bringing them up on this show every week.
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Well, and I think you’re right. And, you know, A, again, condolences to your mom. I just went through all that, as you guys know, with my father. So, yeah, I can very much relate, Steve, to all of what you just said and all of what surrounds that story. On top of that, I think, and it’s something I try to remind listeners of every single day, and even when I’m outside, I had a conversation with some folks the other day where they were saying, you know, hey, you know, we listen to your show, love what you guys say, and, you know, we’ve got some young people in our family, and they’re, you know, fairly liberal, and we really want to know how to talk to them, and this, that, and the other. And I said, well… It’s hard because we’re essentially talking about Marxism that has creeped into this country some 70-plus years ago. It actually probably started about 100 years ago, if you really want to get down to it. And it has continued to have a reach, Steve. But really, at the end of the day, it’s really simple. And I know it’s kind of a… a caveat here on on klz but it’s literally the force versus freedom the other side wants to force everything upon you our side believes in freedom and you get to make your own choices when it comes to those things and really that is it in a nutshell steve because the other side literally it wants to force everything because it feels like it’s right versus us doing what we do and basically being accountable to You know, God himself, that’s how we look at it, and they want to replace God and then force everything they believe upon the people.
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Yeah, I mean, one of the critical steps, obviously, in this nine-step process is when your identity becomes associated with your political ideology and a hardened identity— It’s a really bad thing. When the truth, when justice and legal systems, when legal systems become unjust according to most, so people don’t trust the legal system anymore because they think that it is variable, it’s not the same for everybody. Those kind of things make life difficult. In a civil society that’s got a freedom base and a constitution, almost impossible to work.
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So, Dr. Kelly, in response to that, Steve’s right. We are moving down that path, and I’m afraid even faster now than we ever have. And I think COVID was a huge test upon, especially Americans, to determine. How much freedom will you give up for, quote, unquote, safety? It was a great test. We failed. We talked about it all the way through that, Dr. Kelly, but we failed miserably in all of that because so many people were willing to give up freedom for safety, and it doesn’t work that way, as you know.
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Absolutely. And frankly, I believe that we are in a true crisis right now. We are in a crisis of trust and not just in health care. Certainly, we’ve talked about that a lot on the show. And rightly so. I understand why people don’t trust the system. They were lied to. Look, I as a physician. I was lied to. I was told that the vaccines had been tested. I’m not talking COVID vaccines. I’m talking about the entire childhood vaccine schedule. We were led to believe that polio vaccines were what eradicated the scourge of polio when that simply isn’t true. So there’s a crisis of trust in health care. There’s a Absolutely a crisis in trust in our judicial system. Look at the inequities that happen. We have people in prison for being a whistleblower, for exposing the state of Colorado, for exposing election fraud. And then we have other people who commit heinous crimes, illegals, who rape and pillage and you know, sodomized children who end up getting off with no bail. I mean, the inequities are incredible. We have a lack of, you know, confidence in our media. People turn on the TV, you don’t know what to believe. It’s a fair better chance that you’re being lied to by whatever, you know, talking head is speaking to you through the television than that what they’re saying is actually factual. When people have a crisis of confidence, a crisis of trust, In all things in government, we are really in a tough spot. And I’m hoping that President Trump can actually address some of this, you know, head on and say, we have got in doing things like releasing the Epstein files, releasing the Kennedy files. Some of those things would go a long way to reestablishing trust.
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I agree.
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I agree. You know what, Crowley, it’s interesting you say it that way because, just out of curiosity step three and step four are step three is breakdown of the gatekeepers which is all about who’s protecting your truth who’s giving you the right information who’s helping you to you know construct and manage a life because you you rely on that you rely on you know firefighters and police but you also rely on media number four is parallel information realities once you have parallel information realities and you have a lack of trust in the media and stuff like that, where do you go to figure out what you need to do in a public square if those two things exist?
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That’s a really great question. I think on top of that as well with AI and everything else that’s coming out, Dr. Kelly and Steve both, and I’m not saying AI is a bad thing. I think it’s a tool just like anything else. I think it can be used in a great way. We talked about it last week. Steve, you and I did. And the reality is it can be really good. It can be really bad. It is just a tool. But Dr. Kelly, that’s a great question Steve just asked a moment ago. How do we determine some of these things and which is right, which is wrong? What’s false? What’s fact? How do we do that in an age where it seems like there’s so much misinformation out there? And then once people start believing in that, it’s hard to convince them otherwise. That’s exactly what happened in COVID.
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Absolutely. And it began with the breakdown, the lack of critical thinking, the fact that people are no longer capable of critical thinking. In other words, coming to a conclusion on your own, independent of what you’re being bombarded with. There was a book written some years ago, I forget the author, called People of the Lie. And it made me really come to the conclusion we are now living that book when it becomes so easy for people to tell untruths. Every day you get up and you’re told that your car causes global warming, but Leonardo DiCaprio’s yacht doesn’t. The police are systemically racist. The protests were peaceful. Men can have babies. On and on and on. Whatever it is, the economy is booming. And you’re bombarded with this. And even though it doesn’t comport with what you see around you, you start to believe, well, maybe I’m the one who’s crazy. Maybe all these things are true. Great point. It’s made worse when you are censored, ridiculed, shut down or gaslit than people. So it’s got to get back to the fundamentals of critical thinking. You can tell me over and over again that a dog has five legs. But I know that it doesn’t. And you can be this is the emperor. You know, the emperor has no clothes. Right. You’ve got to be that one little boy who had the guts to say he’s naked.
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Right.
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I don’t see his beautiful gowns, his beautiful robes.
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Right.
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He is not wearing clothes. And be don’t be afraid of the ridicule. Follow your critical thinking.
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Steve, she just brought up a great point because literally we do live in that age today to where you could be very right in everything you’re saying and yet be around a lot of people that just say, no, you’re wrong. It’s this way. It’s not that way. And yeah, it can get, trust me, as a talk show host, trust me, it can get discouraging sometimes. I get all sorts of emails in from all different sides and some like what I say and others don’t care for what I say. And at the end of the day, I just, as you guys know, try to speak the truth as much as I possibly can and And if I ever make a mistake, I come back and correct that. I mean, I’m not always right. There are some things that I may find or read or whatever and then figure out that, yeah, that’s probably not exactly 100% accurate, although that doesn’t happen a lot, Steve, as you know, because I do a pretty good job of trying to read everything and then and then, you know, critical thinking, as Dr. Kelly just said, crossing that over to other things to really make sure that, is that in fact the truth? Steve, as Dr. Kelly said a moment ago, we’ve lost the, I don’t know, I don’t even want to call it a talent, a knack, or whatever, but we’ve lost the ability to do what I just said.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you’re absolutely right, by the way. Mrs. Rush jumped up clapping when you said you’re not always right.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I’m not.
SPEAKER 06 :
I am not.
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That’s right, I am not.
SPEAKER 06 :
So, here’s another aspect of it, because I think Kelly’s 100% right, but where it really transitioned, where we really got ourselves into trouble is, you know, we can name COVID, but here’s the example. When I was growing up, if I walked into a doctor’s office and I saw a medical degree on the wall, and then I went to see a different doctor, a subspecialist versus a primary care, I didn’t know the difference. But what I knew with that diploma on the wall was, they were essentially equally qualified and the same they had gotten a medical degree they were licensed by the government they were held up in high esteem and i could trust either of them and generally with other small nuances told me the same thing today with covid people don’t feel that way anymore. So it’s the highly regulated, highly educated specialties that exist in this world, just like Walter Cronkite versus Jen Psaki, right? They’re not even in the same league, but yet they have the same profession. When you lose that at the highest order of society in terms of regulated life and degreed, educated people, then who do you get your information from? Great point. It’s not just the BDS talk.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it was the DEI takeover when you didn’t earn it. People all of a sudden were getting medical degrees, were getting into Congress, were getting elected into office. You know, Zoran Mandani, in addition to the fact that he’s a hard-carrying communist, he has… zero qualifications to actually be the mayor of the largest city in the United States. Zero. So he is not qualified independent of whether or not you agree with his politics. So you’re right, Steve. We now have people who have positions of authority with absolutely zero qualifications to have those positions of authority. And that’s really a problem. I will tell you, though, you go back to the COVID issue. John, you may recall at the beginning of COVID, very, very beginning. I’m talking the first couple of months, you know, January, February of 2020. I coined two hashtags. One was facts, not fear. And the other was right side of history. And I said over and over again, I may be dead and gone, but I promise you, I and you, too, will end up on the right side of history. Because eventually, eventually, the truth comes out. I mean, my life was a holy hell for years during COVID. You know, I never want to relive that personally and professionally. It was horrible for me. But I kept going. What kept me on the rails and allowed me to go to sleep at night is I said, you will be on the right side of history, Kelly. You know you’re right. Be that little boy who has the guts to call it out and say the emperor has no clothes.
SPEAKER 09 :
So question for both of you along those lines, and I’ll start with you, Dr. Kelly, and I’ll go to Steve because I didn’t have near the abuse, Dr. Kelly, that you did, although I had a lot. I mean, I had people, you know, commenting on social media, texting, you know, I should just die like the rest of them, those sorts of things. Dr. Kelly, we’re coming in. And the question I have for you is how many apologies have you gotten?
SPEAKER 04 :
Truly, zero. Yeah, me too. I had one sort of passive acknowledgement by one of my siblings who said to me, you know, that she fell for it, that she was so afraid that she bought into it and she just couldn’t, didn’t say, make the next leap. And you were right, Kelly, all along. I should have listened to you. Mm-hmm. I have not had any apologies, and I have no problem saying it. I was disinvited from my own family’s Thanksgiving for three years in a row because I wasn’t vaccinated. Wow. Three years in a row. And now… You know, the truth is becoming clear. They have no problem being around me now. In fact, they call me every 15 minutes for advice about what to do for their various and sundry side effects. But, you know, it is very difficult for people to actually acknowledge that they made horrible mistakes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Steve, any apologies on your end?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I got more crap for telling people I knew Kelly Victory than almost anything else. But the other thing that happened was that I was uninvited to my youngest daughter’s wedding because I wouldn’t get vaccinated. And I had a conversation with her and my ex about it. And they’re like, everybody in the wedding is going to be vaccinated. You need to be vaccinated to come to the wedding. And I said, well, if everybody’s vaccinated, what harm could I do? Right. Right. I mean, if I’m the only one, what’s the problem?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I mean, I’m the father of the bride.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, trying to inject critical thinking again.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, there you go. Right. So I ended up not being able to go. I did not go to my youngest daughter’s wedding because I did not get vaccinated.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, fortunately, I’ve got a different story than both of you because most of my family, not all, but a lot of my family listens to the program and have for years. And because of that, and most of them are – I’ve got a few liberals in the family. Not too many, though. The majority of our family is very conservative. But there is a lot of conservatives still bought into all the things that we’re talking about. But really, I believe, Dr. Kelly, because of you and Steve and the fact that my family listened intently – to the things that we talked about, I was very fortunate and didn’t have any of the issues that you two had because my family pretty much bought into, Dr. Kelly, everything you said. I got lucky.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I appreciate that feedback. It’s always nice to hear that you help somebody work through the morass and come to the right conclusion. I do get those texts and emails from people regularly, and it makes up for all of the hurt and all of the hateful, really heinous things that were said. Because, you know, for every person who you get that note from, you know, I believe there are probably, you know, dozens more who actually did listen and you help them to make the right decision, whether it was regarding the vaccines or just even how fearful to be. That’s right. Many times the most meaningful thing is when somebody says, you are the person who kept me from being afraid. That’s right. And it was worth everything. That’s right. and freaking out, they said, you know, they would go to bed at night going, you know, listen to Dr. Kelly, listen to Steve and John, and they all said the same thing, and you know, I’m simply not going to fret about this. And that means everything.
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Well, and I know we’ve got to go to break, but before we do that, Dr. Kelly, I know, because I had numerous people that I had talked to along the same lines of what you’re saying, and I think even for myself, there were not too many times during COVID where I was fearful at all, but I think even those times where, man, as you guys know, we went through some really dark times with all of that, and there were times where with everything flooding in, basically telling you that you’re wrong and This is the way it’s supposed to be, and you need to do this, you need to do that. There were times where I think even myself, there wasn’t too many times, but I can remember a couple of times where I was questioning, is this really the right thing or not? And then, of course, with you two and being able to bounce all sorts of things back and forth, and we communicated a ton, still do, but communicated a ton during that time, I think for me personally – Having all of that, you know, input from you two, I don’t think I had more than, you know, maybe just a momentary, you know, glitch here and there where, you know, you felt maybe just a teeny bit, you know, fearful or not even fearful, but maybe, you know, am I wrong? But really outside of that, Dr. Kelly, I was pretty confident in everything that we were doing all the way through and never had any of those high anxiety moments that I think a lot of people went through.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I agree. And frankly, with regard to having those moments occasionally where you’d question it, I think you’d be remiss if you didn’t. I certainly had those moments. I’d have those moments at 2 o’clock in the morning thinking, wow, am I seeing this all wrong? Have I missed something? Is there a piece of this I’m just not getting that everybody else is? And I’d work back through and say, no, no, you stay the course. We are right. But I think you’d be remiss. That’s what critical thinking is about, John, is circling back, being willing to question it, revisit it, say, maybe I should check myself. Is there an assumption I’ve made that isn’t correct? Is there a misinterpretation I’ve made of the data? And so you’re right to question it. But as long as you and I and Steve kept coming back to the same answer, which is, nope, the rest of the world has gone mad and we’re correct.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us as well. Dr. Kelly, somebody called in as we were chatting and had a question. And that is with all of the different vaccines going on in the animal kingdom. I mean, everything from, you know, the steaks, the chickens. I mean, we can go down the list of the different things that, you know, animals may be vaccinated with. The question is, as those vaccines might evolve, change or maybe even changing as we speak and this is way out of my league so I don’t know if they are or aren’t but can those in other words if they did an mRNA I think we’ve talked about this in the past but they did an mRNA injection into a cow for example does that have any ability to transfer into us
SPEAKER 04 :
The answer is we really don’t know. That is a valid question. And we really don’t know exactly what happens if you eat a chicken or a cow that’s been injected with mRNA vaccines. There are many of them out there and they are using them. We don’t know exactly how or if it can get incorporated into us. You would think normally the idea of eating something, it would generally be broken down by stomach acids, by intestinal and gastric acids. But we don’t know because the studies simply haven’t been done. And we certainly know that you are able of absorbing other things, for example, hormones, antibiotics. The reason, you know, part of the reason, at least, that girls are reaching puberty so much earlier. When I was growing up, it was, you know, 12 or 13 years old. Now girls are reaching menarche at the age of eight or nine years old. And it’s in large part because of the amount of hormones that they are getting through what they eat, through the milk they drink and through The beef that we eat and the poultry that we eat. So it isn’t necessarily a long shot to believe that you could end up incorporating some of this mRNA or some of these mRNA fragments. And the studies simply haven’t been done. And that’s part of the reason I believe it is so reckless. to be doing this. We don’t change an entire food system without studying it, or shouldn’t, without having some idea of the impact.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and again, this is some of the whole issues we’ve been talking about all the way through this, Steve, is just the simple fact that there just isn’t enough information, enough testing done in a lot of these areas to really have solid information on what’s up.
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I’ll give you a test that generally speaking drives this kind of behavior, and that is in 2008, the average one-year launch price of a new drug was $2,115 for the year. The average launch price for a first-time drug in 2021 was $180,000. And in 2025, that number is over $305,000. And when it’s that high of a launch price, there’s not going to be – you’re going to cut corners. They’re going to curb safety. They’re going to do some stuff. They’re not all bad, but my goodness, why would you want to wait when your average first-year price for one person is over $300,000 for some of these new drones? Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I’m getting text message after text message, by the way, of individuals like us where they took a stand, you know, wouldn’t wear a mask, wouldn’t do this, wouldn’t do that, had family members and so on and lost, you know, friendships and and things just like, you know, you and Steve, Dr. Kelly had mentioned a moment ago. I’m getting texters, you know, basically saying the same thing. And yet to this day, they’re saying the same thing. No apology.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and I feel badly for people, and I try to give people an on-ramp or a way out of the corner into which they’ve painted themselves. But that goes just so far. I mean, at some point, if you’ve acted badly, and I would say many, many times, if you wonder how you would have acted in Nazi Germany, look at how you acted during COVID.
SPEAKER 09 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because if you were that person ratting out your neighbor and calling the authorities because there were too many cars that you know, your neighbors, whatever, Fourth of July, barbecue. If you were that person, if you were that, you know, screeching woman at the playground telling people to put their masks over their noses, you know, then you know how you would have acted back in Nazi Germany because you’re that person. That’s right. And you need to take a look in the mirror.
SPEAKER 09 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
You really do. I agree. You need to take a look in the mirror. and change who you are, change how you acted, because it was ugly and really exposed, you know, really the dark underbelly of a lot of society. So I feel for all of your listeners, stay the course. As I said, I try to be as humble as I can to let people back into my circle. Whether they choose to let me back into theirs is up to them.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, so I’ve got a question for you guys. I think I sent this to you, Dr. Kelly, but just this is more of curiosity on my part because this is something that was thrown out by Apple News coming out of the Science Photo Library, I believe is the – or no, sorry, National Geographic, and then it’s James Cavallini. This virus affects almost everyone, and it may lead to lupus, and he’s talking about the Epstein-Barr virus. Is there any truth to that at all, or is this just a scare tactic?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. I have not read any credible studies linking Epstein-Barr to lupus. Epstein-Barr can be a nasty virus. It’s well known for a long post-viral syndrome, you know, kind of what people call long COVID, you would call long Epstein-Barr, where people can feel fatigued, run down, you know, muscle aches, lots of vague symptoms for months after getting over it. It has been associated with chronic fatigue syndrome in the past. People have there are certain people who believe that chronic fatigue actually is a prolonged, you know, post viral infection with Epstein-Barr. But I have not personally seen any that what you said was the first I’d ever heard of a relationship between Epstein-Barr and lupus.
SPEAKER 09 :
And this kind of makes it sound like, you know, boy, be careful because we’re all going to have this.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, and lupus is an autoimmune disease. I think we are seeing tremendous increases in incidence of lupus, but that has nothing to do with Epstein-Barr. It has to do with the COVID vaccines because we are seeing a huge increase in all sorts of autoimmune illnesses, including multiple sclerosis, Crohn’s disease, asthma, skin allergies, food allergies. All of these autoimmune issues and systemic lupus is one of the multiple autoimmune diseases. I don’t have any reason, at least at this juncture, to believe that it’s related to Epstein-Barr.
SPEAKER 09 :
Great info. And somebody just before I text back, I might as well just ask you, somebody says they got their blood work done. Vitamin D is at 30. What vitamin D supplement does Dr. Kelly and or I recommend? I have one I take that works really well. But Dr. Kelly, what do you recommend? Is there a specific brand or something folks should look at before buying their vitamin D supplement?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think, first of all, it’s a great question, and 30 is definitely low. That’s right. Although the lab may say that’s, quote, normal, we look now to have vitamin D levels between 80 and 100. Right. So significantly higher than yours is right now. Do not go with gummies. Gummies are a hoax. They are essentially candy that has been sprayed with the vitamin, you know, whatever the vitamin is. You have no idea how much you’re getting. Whatever they say is, you know, 5,000 IUs. That’s the average. So some of those gummies may have almost none on them. Others may have a lot. Don’t go with the gummies. Any good quality capsule, there are several available. I buy them on Amazon. And I think for most people, you should be taking somewhere in the range of 5,000 IUs a day. If your level is as low as 30, you would need more than that on a daily basis to get your level up. So you might start by taking 10,000 IUs a day for a couple of months and then have your level rechecked to see where you are.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, this is something that is debated among all sorts of individuals, and I hear this outside of our group here, outside of the three of us, and that is, well, if your levels get up to that 80 or above, even into the 100 range, wow, you’re really in trouble, Dr. Kelly. Your vitamin D is way too high. What’s your comment back on that?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, there’s no question you can become vitamin D toxic. Vitamin D is one of the vitamins, along with K, A, and E, that are soluble in your fat. So unlike vitamins B and C, that you just urinate out any extra, vitamins K, A, D, and E dissolve in your fat. So it is theoretically possible to become toxic. That said, I have never in my life seen a case of vitamin D toxicity ever. And I’ve been a physician for 35 years. I don’t know anyone.
SPEAKER 09 :
So along those lines, Dr. Kelly, I guess the question that I and probably others have is, okay, what’s that level? I mean, do you need to be at 120, 150, 200? At what level is that? Well over 200. Well over 200, okay. Yeah, I don’t have any concern, truly,
SPEAKER 04 :
about, you know, people even, you know, mine not infrequently gets up to 110, 112.
SPEAKER 09 :
And the reason I ask this, I’ll get a little personal here. My wife had some blood work done of late by, you know, her female doctor for, you know, you guys know all about that end of things. Steve and I don’t, but you do. And we do vitamin D because of the things that we talk about here. Hers is at like 110. And her doctor was like, oh, man, that’s way too high. You got to start cutting that back a little bit. And I’m like, no, you don’t. You’re just fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you can cut it back a little bit. So when I say a little bit, based on how much she takes it, how much does she normally take a day? Do you have any idea?
SPEAKER 09 :
I knew you were going to ask me that. I have no idea.
SPEAKER 04 :
So the answer is, say she takes 10,000 IUs a day. I’m just picking a number.
SPEAKER 09 :
Cut it back to every other day or something?
SPEAKER 04 :
Cut it back to every, or cut it back to five days a week. Don’t take it on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER 04 :
For two or three months. Gotcha. And then have it retested. Yeah, you don’t see, you won’t see, you know, super fast changes because, you know, that’s not the nature of how vitamin D works. Got it. So I simply, you know, I… I take supplemental vitamin D, relatively high doses, but I take it five days a week. So I don’t take it on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
SPEAKER 09 :
Gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I keep my level pretty, you know. Yeah, you’re like me.
SPEAKER 09 :
I kind of do the same thing. I take about a five- to six-day regimen, and I need to get mine rechecked. But, you know, I feel fabulous after doing that, by the way. Somebody asked just a moment ago before we run out of time, too, do you recommend D3 with K2, or does that matter?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, it’s a great question. I don’t take it with vitamin K. There are many people who believe that you should. It’s certainly not going to hurt you to do it. I don’t think that unless you have an otherwise a bleeding issue, I get great vitamin D absorption without taking it with vitamin K. There are certainly many, many preparations that include vitamin K. I just think for me, it adds one more thing that I need to then test. my vitamin K level, because again, as I said, K, A, D and E are all fat soluble. So it is theoretically possible for you to get toxic on those. So I don’t think it’s necessarily good or bad. I don’t choose to take mine with vitamin K.
SPEAKER 09 :
Awesome.
SPEAKER 06 :
Great answer. Go ahead, Steve. Go ahead. Yeah, just two quick things. Number one, I’ve got a very reliable source that if you take gummy D, gummy vitamin D, and dip it in chocolate, it works better. Oh, there we go. But the other, and the more serious question is, Kelly, there are lots of people, and I’ve done this for a long time, too. I don’t do it right now, but we’ll take 50,000 units of D or D3 one day a week, like Sunday. And then that’s all they take, one day a week. And that’s fairly effective, too, I believe.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, 100%. That’s what I’m saying. Vitamin D is not one of those things that you need to take every 12 hours or 24 hours. You can easily, when my level was very low some years ago, and I actually did that. I took 50,000 IUs. on Sunday, plus then my 5,000 IUs that I was taking every day just to ramp my level up. But you can do it. There’s lots of different regimens. You can take it five days a week. You can take once a week, like you’re saying, a big dose. Vitamin D is very well tolerated. It doesn’t cause people to get stomach upset the way, for example, for some people, iron does, those other things. So it’s very well tolerated. I would, as I said, steer people away from the gummies because they aren’t reliable. Go with a good quality U.S. made brand, pure encapsulations. I mean, there are tons of them that you can get even on Amazon.
SPEAKER 09 :
Guys, that’s going to do it for today. Happy Thanksgiving to both of you. Steve, I’ll let you go first. Thank you as always. Thanks.
SPEAKER 06 :
You guys are my family, so one day we should have a turkey together for sure. I would love that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m up for that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would love that, absolutely. Next year before the Thanksgiving show, we’ll have turkey on the show. Okay, works for me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let’s do that. Works for me. Deal.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dr. Kelly, as you just said, too, thank you. I appreciate it greatly, and you’ve been just a great help to not only me but our whole listening audience.
SPEAKER 04 :
Great. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. We’ve got much, much, much to be thankful for.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And once again, you can always go back and listen to this hour or any of the hours that we have done with Dr. Kelly and or Steve. We did just Steve and I last week, had a great discussion about AI and the medical world and all of that. So whether it’s Steve, whether it’s Dr. Kelly, whether it’s all three of us together, we’ve got all those episodes recorded. You can find those by going to our website, RushToReason.com, and there’s a link there for all of our past episodes, and you can figure out exactly which one you want to listen to. And if you want to send that on to a friend or a relative, you have that ability to do that as well. That’s it for this hour. We’ll be back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
