In this riveting episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush tackles the complexities of international trade, tariffs, and their unforeseen implications on American industries. Explore how Trump’s tariffs have inadvertently triggered transparency among Chinese manufacturers, exposing the true cost of goods and stirring a complex debate on domestic vs. international manufacturing. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House contribute their unique insights into how these economic shifts are impacting our reliance on China for pharmaceuticals and the potential benefits of bringing manufacturing back to American soil.
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All right. Happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us. Let me bring her up first. Hello, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, good to be with you. Happy Thursday. And more importantly, happy Easter.
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Happy Easter to you as well. Happy Easter as well. Steve House with us as well. And Steve, thanks for joining us also. Glad to be here. Hello, Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, how are you? It’s always good when the three of us are together. I feel like the conversation is more enjoyable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, Kelly, you were in my brain about an hour ago when I was explaining to a doctor that Vimovo, a $2,400 drug in the hospital, is made up of a $7 drug and a $18 drug, and all I have to do is get them separately and take them. And he just could not believe that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, what a racket, right? I mean, this is the way, John, we haven’t talked about this before, but the drug companies have figured this out. They come up with a slightly different formulation, or they combine two drugs that are generic, and when combined, all of a sudden, now it’s not generic. It’s back on patent. And they can charge insane amounts of money for it. This has happened over the years with many, many, many different drugs where they’ll take ibuprofen and combine it with antihistamine and rebrand it under something and sell it for $100 a pill. it’s an absolute racket. And Steve, you are doing God’s work by trying to expose it and teach these physicians.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Well, I learned it from you in 2020, and I remember how shocked we were with a list of drugs that are like that. And for the person out there who’s taken the drug, if you get the drug on formula from a hospital, you have no choice. You’re going to pay, you know, you’re going to put your 15 or 20 percent copay for the drug. If you get it outside the hospital and your doctor’s wise enough to help you decide, buy these two. They’re over-the-counter, one’s $7, one’s $18. Take them in this order, and you’ll be fine, and you’ll save yourself $200, $300, $400 in copay every time.
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Yep, yep. Steve, and you know me, and Dr. Kelly, you know me as well. Being the business person that I am and so on, I’m all for companies being able to recoup their R&D and the things that it takes and incentivizing through profitability, that ability, and so on. And Steve, I guess this is where it gets a little bit convoluted, because you know me, I’m not a big brother kind of a guy. I don’t want big government. I don’t want more involvement. I want less involvement, if at all possible. But how do you stop… what you just mentioned, because, again, I’m all for people recouping their investments and even making some money on top of that investment. But I guess the question is, where do you draw that line in the sand, and how do you keep that from happening?
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Something interesting happened this week, and it’s the very beginning of this, and that is The state of Alabama passed Senate Bill 252, which prescribes what a PBM must do to operate in their state. And that means that they still have rebates, which I’m not happy about, but all the rebates go back to the health plan sponsor. They have to get rid of fees. They have to be transparent about the price of the drug. So they’re heading in the right direction. As it turns out, 49 other states have similar bills on the docket, including Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we have one, too. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, if you could at least start with, let’s get some transparency. That doesn’t make up for this example, though, because they’ll say, oh, this is exactly what it is, and okay, we’ll pay the… rebates to the health plan, but that doesn’t necessarily help the patient when they have a copay. We’ve got to go further.
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Okay. Question I have for both of you, and this, maybe I’m on the right track and maybe I’m completely off in left field when it comes to the pharmaceutical end of things, but one of the things that is happening, and it’s interesting that I just read a ex-post a moment ago that my son sent me where China’s ready to come to the table and get some deals done and so on, but outside of that, and I think, by the way, part of that is twofold, First part of it is, and I don’t know that Trump really planned on this happening, but I think anybody that’s on social media, whether you’re on X, whether you’re on TikTok, Instagram, whatever, what you’re seeing, guys, is a lot of Chinese companies laying to bear what the real cost of goods for a lot of these different companies are, whether it be from apparel to shoes to widgets to you name it, whatever it happens to be, they’re actually saying, listen, this particular tennis shoe that you guys over in America are used to paying $150 for, we’re not joking. The actual cost on that coming out of our warehouse, coming out of our factory, it’s $10, which, by the way, tariffs are on the $10, not the $150, which most people forget about and news media never talks about. So the question I’ve got is, given the fact that I feel like whether it’s in part because of Trump, whether it’s a byproduct of Trump and the tariffs, whether it’s these manufacturers just wanting to still have a role in things and be able to employ people and so on. The reality is they’re laying to bear what some of these true costs are. I guess, Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you. Is this happening in the pharmaceutical end of things or is it too tightly controlled by big pharma?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I think it is happening, perhaps not as a direct result of the tariffs, John, but I think it is happening. We are exposing the soft underbelly of the entire industry. One of the things certainly that’s being exposed is not just the pricing issues. And Steve and I would talk about that all day long, exposing the kinds of things we opened the show with. But you’re also exposing things like our overreliance on China, the fact that we make almost zero pharmaceuticals in this country right now, and that we have put ourselves at tremendous national security risk. As a result of this, there are lots of things that I think the average American is starting to understand from the actual cost of the goods, how much they’ve been jacked up, what kinds of premiums we are paying on things. But also, as I said, our over reliance on China for certain things and our under reliance. Another thing that I think is becoming clear to people is how much some of our actual friends, people who are not geopolitical foes like china some of our friends in asia like cambodia vietnam korea uh you know these sorts these countries have not been allowed to play they’ve had a very difficult time selling goods to the united states because they’ve been squeezed out by china by the behemoth if we can actually you know sort of lock china down so they are not having the lion’s share of that
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we can you know places like taiwan and cambodia vietnam that would like to play well in the sandbox with the united states would really have a chance so i think there’s a lot that’s being exposed as part of this whole tariff issue steve i and i appreciate what dr kelly said you’ve got some insight into this as well and i by the way everything she just said and i i i’m not a conspiracy guy you guys know that although you have to start wondering and and i’m you know I’m not saying Donald Trump knows everything about everything, although I think he does a lot of things at times that a lot of people will never give him credit for. And he, I think, at times even knows what some of the outcome of some things will be. And no, he doesn’t announce those things, because if you did, it would screw everything up. So my point, Steve, is I don’t know if he knew some of what, you know, Kelly and I and you right now are talking about would actually come to play. But you have to wonder, did he?
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Yeah, I mean, I think there is something to be said for, you know, that Trump may have, Trump may not have known or may have known some of this stuff. But in reality, I don’t think we’ll ever know that. I think the most important part is that we know that it’s starting to happen and transparency is coming out. One of the questions that I have is, you know, there’s a bunch of bad actors that have done stuff here, right? So the bad actors being China with what they do with, you know, stealing intellectual property and all that stuff. There’s some bad actors in the PBMs we were talking about. So if they reform, do they just get off without anybody ever holding them accountable for all the bad things they did or not? Because I think if you really look at it, and this is a bit of a leap, we spend, I don’t know, what, $100 billion trying to build a train from San Francisco to L.A.? ? Would we have been better off if we’re going to do a public works project because it was paid for by the taxpayers to build some factories where pharmaceuticals could be made? And then lease those out, lease those out to companies who could make manufacturing pharmaceuticals because they’re in the national security interest, like Kelly said.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t disagree with that at all, Steve. And, yeah, I think we would have been much better off to have done it. Maybe now we’ll see some of that stuff actually start to happen. And, again, I want to make sure I’m very clear on this. I talked about this yesterday, and I really want to make sure that I’m clear. I am not, and you guys know this, I am not against companies making profit. I’m not against corporate profits, although… I do think there’s a line, and what is it? What’s the percentage? I don’t know exactly, but I will say that typically in the small to medium-sized business world, if a company across the board can have a 50% gross profit, not a net profit, but a gross profit that they’re then using to pay all of their other bills with salaries and so on, If they can somehow get to 50%, they’re actually doing pretty well, and they can probably stay afloat and actually make some money. The owner can do fairly well, and off we go. I will tell you right now, Steve and Kelly, that some of these companies, Nike, for example, where they’re paying $10 for a shoe that they’re getting $100.25 out of, and I get it. It’s not $10, their actual cost. They’re shipping it over. They’re having to handle it and so on. But even if that goes up by triple and is $30, and they’re getting $125 out of it, no offense, Steve, that’s highway robbery.
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It is, but I’ll tell you what, there’s a contrast here, right, that’s very important. So if you don’t want to buy the Nike shoe now that you know that, you can certainly make that decision.
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True. Now that you do know that, I think that’s going to happen, by the way.
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Yeah, I mean, you probably make a different decision. I think that’s what China’s trying to do is change the narrative about what’s going on. But on the other hand, if you have, as we started the show with PBMs doing what they’re doing, it’s a RICO business, as Kelly has pointed out many times. And they’re also breaking the law. They’re not following the laws that were passed in the 80s when Safe Harbor was created PBMs in the beginning. If you’re cheating, if you’re doing racketeering and you’re breaking the law, I don’t care how much profit you think you should make, you should be stopped.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, that’s a great segue. Kelly, go ahead and add to that before we take a break. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I was going to say, another way to look at this, however, that an alternative theory, John, is that China is exposing this because they know that we can’t make that shoe for $10 here. And they’re essentially showing the American public, we’ve been providing you something that we can make for $10 and we can cut the price down, but you’re never going to be competitive because there’s no way you can make that shoe for $10 in the United States. It’s going to cost you $80 to make it in the United States. and therefore you will never be able to buy products as cheaply as you can from China. And there’s some truth to that. There’s truth to the fact that we can’t make it as cheaply, number one, because we don’t have an entire workforce of people who are under the thumb of the government who can be paid 50 cents an hour and compelled to work in factories with abysmal conditions, and we have child labor laws and those sorts of things. But it may be China’s theory that they’re going to expose just how cheaply they can make things and how much advantage they’ve been taking of the United States because they can do that, knowing full well that we can’t compete.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening. Okay, before I forget and we do anything else, Dr. Kelly, I had a question that came in. Could you ask Dr. Kelly where I can get a refill for 12 milligram tablet of ivermectin? They originally got this from Frontline Docs but can’t find the ability to reach them and get that refilled. What’s your suggestion?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, there are multiple places you can get it. I certainly can speak to, you know, the company that I work for, the wellness company certainly makes it available to people and you can go online and get a copy. do a telehealth visit with the wellness company and get it through them for any number of indications. There also are physicians who, if you go to the Critical Care Alliance or what used to be America’s Frontline Doctors, they also provide links to different doctors who do telemedicine visits that provide the same service. So it’s generally going to be through a telemedicine visit. Unless you have a primary care provider, it appears that you don’t have your own that’s willing to prescribe it. But there are many, many doctors out there who will be a telemedicine and that’s totally legitimate and completely legal. So either through the wellness company or through the critical care alliance. through their website where they provide links to telemedicine.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this person did, in fact, say that their primary care physician won’t have anything to do with ivermectin. No offense. And I know it’s hard sometimes to change your primary care physician, but I can tell you what I’d be doing, guys.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you and me both.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’d be changing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it’s very problematic because there are doctors who just want to put their heads in the sand. They are simply unwilling to acknowledge that they were wrong or that they didn’t have access to the information at the time, that perhaps they weren’t. And believe me, that’s legitimate. They certainly are. The mainstream media and the powers that be went out of their way to keep the data from physicians. But at this point, if you are a physician and you are not aware, at least that even the FDA, look, the FDA guys has come out and said that COVID is now. an acceptable treatment for COVID.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Ivermectin.
SPEAKER 16 :
Excuse me, Ivermectin. That’s right. Ivermectin is an acceptable treatment for COVID. The FDA has said that very quietly, very surreptitiously, no fanfare, certainly hasn’t been reported by the mainstream media, but the reality is the FDA has now done a 180. So if you are a physician out there who still doesn’t understand that ivermectin has vast application, not only for COVID, but for cancer and a host of other issues, then you are not paying attention to the literature.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. Steve, the other thing I think a lot of folks should be looking at, and you know this end of things, well, Dr. Kelly does as well, but you guys know this end of things even far better than I. If I had a primary care physician like that and I’m on any kind of insurance plan, which, by the way, most of you that work for employers, there are usually a multitude, two, three, four in some cases, of plans that you can choose from. You know, your employer typically will give you options, and one of those options in a lot of cases is an HSA plan. Now, a lot of people don’t like HSA because it doesn’t cover every little thing that’s out there. It’s more of a catastrophic care than you get to manage certain things on your own. But here’s where HSA really comes in handy. You take somebody like Dr. Scott, who’s a concierge doctor, and you’ve got an HSA plan. You can literally pay his annual fees out of your HSA, meaning you’re paying that with tax-free dollars when it’s all said and done. It comes right out of your plan. And by the way, you still get prescriptions and everything else that you would normally get, but you’re getting your entire year’s worth of care, where in this particular case, if you wanted to refill ivermectin, you call Scott on the phone, and he refills it for you. It’s that simple, Steve.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. I mean, there’s no question that concierge medicine has advantages for sure. I mean, look, your doctor’s going to text you. You can get ahold of them on the weekends. There’s all kinds of advantages. The numbers are somewhere over 83% less emergency room visits when you’re using concierge medicine because you can get ahold of them. So it has this big dynamic. The problem is Not with it. The problem is there’s just not enough of it. And a lot of people can’t afford the price of it, which is sometimes, you know, $100, $150 a month. In reality, with just the reduction in other things that happen to you, you probably can’t afford it. And you can also pay for it, like you said, with your HSA. So I don’t have any issue with that. I think if I were that patient who asked the question, I would print out the FDA saying ivermectin is a valid treatment for COVID. I would take it in and give them one last chance and say, look,
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is this is a valid treatment. And I want something to have on hand if I get COVID again. And I would like you to place an order for me and say, well, then you’re right. You probably need a different doctor.
SPEAKER 04 :
I just had a question came in, Dr. Kelly, as well. Just had an experience filling a prescription for ivermectin for cluster headaches. Cash price was sixteen hundred dollars for 60 Rx pills. Now. I don’t know where that would be. We’ll have a telehealth call with you and literally prescribe your ivermectin for you and ship it to you because they stock it for far less money than $1,600, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. I mean, that’s very similar to the wellness company. We do the same thing. It is pennies worth. Truly, ivermectin is an inexpensive drug.
SPEAKER 04 :
One of the most inexpensive, am I right?
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. Correct. There’s absolutely no reason that you should be paying that kind of money. And I would look elsewhere. I would look at one of these telehealth companies.
SPEAKER 04 :
I wouldn’t have bought it. I’m sorry. I don’t care how bad I am. I wouldn’t have bought it. I would have found another source.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree. And the reality is that ivermectin in particular, it is such a safe drug. It absolutely has so few complications taken by hundreds of millions of people a year around the globe. It is over the counter in almost every country other than the United States and Canada. It truly has far fewer associated deaths or injuries than Tylenol.
SPEAKER 04 :
Steve, question for you. I know I’ve asked you this in the past before because of my travels and places I go and so on, and much to what Kelly said a moment ago, kind of a reminder to me that there’s a lot of places you can go to where you can get over-the-counter medication, prescriptions in that case, in other countries far easier than you can here. Why is it so difficult here to get some of the basic things that would keep people from going to the urgent care even?
SPEAKER 06 :
You just said it, right? You know how much an urgent care visit costs? A lot. I mean, it’s pretty substantial, right? I mean, if you made health care a free market system, can you imagine where competition would drive down costs? If you allowed, for example, if you allowed doctors in their offices, internists, primary care physicians, to do IV therapy and to provide other drugs and shots as necessary, it’s the lowest cost point in the system. Because the E&M code, the office billing code for primary care physicians is lower than any subspecialty. So if you had free markets and you said, all right, I’m capable of this, I’ll take the risk, I have to have medical malpractice, you’d be surprised at how much the prices would go down. We just aren’t free market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, makes sense. All right, all along those lines, something that we were texting about this week, I’ve got a couple of things to talk about. One, Steve, you started this one about Trump and the bird flu vaccine. Explain.
SPEAKER 06 :
explain the fact that he’s, well, I mean, I’m still trying to figure out if it’s true. I mean, I can’t, to me, apparently there’s several articles about it. Believe me, there are a number of them. They’re not all from left-wing weird stuff, but I’m thinking about Marty running, you know, the FDA. I’m thinking about Trump. I don’t know why this could be true. What are they possibly thinking about this? We know from Robert Malone, we know from COVID vaccines that mRNA is a bad platform. It’s a very injurious platform. Why would they be pursuing this? I don’t get this at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
And Dr. Kelly, again, I did a little bit of looking. I can’t verify all of this, but some of this is so new that it might take a little bit of time for this to come out. What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, the reality is there are a lot of people with a vested interest, a vested financial interest in mRNA technology. That certainly includes none other than Bill Gates. And you better believe that the pharmaceutical complex is putting huge pressure. on every politician on both sides of the aisle that they are going to withhold funding for the next campaign if they don’t get behind and sign off on the next mRNA injection. They are trying mRNA for everything from bird flu to RSV, influenza, and pretty much everything in between. They’re talking about inoculating and already have some of our cattle, our poultry birds, the hogs. It is being very, very difficult. They’re talking about all different ways in which they can get mRNA out there. You know, Bill Gates is talking about putting mRNA into mosquitoes to make them into flying syringes so that when you get bitten by a mosquito, you get injected with the mRNA du jour. They truly this is all about money. And I guarantee that big pharma and people like the Gates Foundation and others who have a vested interest in this are pushing this agenda. And they are not going to stop. It’s going to take somebody with real, real intestinal fortitude, somebody like Bobby Kennedy, to say not only no, but hell no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. All right. Question just came in. Can you, Dr. Kelly, speak about methyl? Methyl blue. Am I saying that right? Methyl blue for use in cancer?
SPEAKER 16 :
Methylene blue.
SPEAKER 04 :
What is that?
SPEAKER 16 :
There are a lot of people who are looking at methylene blue to do everything. Right now it’s sort of the panacea. It cures everything supposedly from diabetes to cancer and everything in between. I don’t know any great studies on it yet is the problem. And there are some downsides. There are some dangerous side effects of it. There’s no question it is compelling to look at and more research needs to be done. But at this juncture, I personally cannot recommend that anybody go down the path of methylene blue because I simply do not believe that we have enough data to indicate that it is um that it works for any particular indication and that it’s you know safe enough everything being a risk benefit calculation and you know this is coming you know from somebody who is you know very very open to all your alternative medications or repercussions i was a very early adopter of things like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine uh not only for covid but for other things like cancer but when it comes to methylene blue i just i personally have not seen any compelling studies that really back up the claims that people are making.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Now, and I don’t want to sound dumb, but what is it? I mean, is it a pill? Is it a treatment? What is it?
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s a blue dye. The best way to say it is it’s a liquid. I’ve seen people get it in a dehydrated encapsulated form. But it’s a very profound blue dye, and there are people walking around with blue tongues and blue mouths from drinking it. It’s a dye that we’ve used in medicine for many, many years, but now people are drinking it. And as I said, I believe that it has sort of some wonder properties for everything from increasing energy to helping with insulin sensitivity and treating cancers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. All right. Wow. Again, I learn something every single time you guys are with me, you especially, Dr. Kelly, but Steve, you as well. I had no idea. Thank you. I had no idea. And I have not seen anybody with blue tongues. I guess I don’t get out much.
SPEAKER 16 :
And there was an interesting… photo of Bobby Kennedy, he was drinking it on an airplane, and there was a photo that was posted all over the internet of him, you know, adding it to a glass of water or something on an airplane. We’ve used it over the years. We used to use it to treat cyanide poisoning. I mean, it’s a way it was actually, we used it primarily to treat certain toxic ingestions, including cyanide, you know, And at one point it was used to treat certain infections, including urinary tract infections. But we don’t use it for that anymore. So primarily, the only time I ever used it in my clinical career was for cyanide poisoning. Now all of a sudden it’s being sort of re-dusted off and used, as I said, as a wonder treatment. But it generally comes as a very deep blue liquid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Steve, go ahead. I was going to say, I’ve seen people, and they used it for Halloween costumes, but not much other than that. I mean, I did see Bobby Bobby looking at it or drinking it or putting it in his water, and there’s all kinds of stuff like that. I mean, if you followed every recommendation of Gary Brekka or… you know, Huberman or all these guys, and you say, look, some of that stuff sounds like good biohacks, and other stuff is just not. I’m with Kelly. Until somebody tells me it’ll work for me. I mean, Brecca recommended 60 hyperbaric chamber treatments. in 90 days, and it’ll take 20 years off your life. I’m like, well, that sounds really good. You can get in a hyperbaric chamber for 60 days out of 90 of the time and money to do it.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back, and we had a call from the person texting in on the $1,600 ivermectin. That’s what it was through normal channels, and then GoodRx had it for $42, Dr. Kelly, which is much better than $1,600, but I’m not so sure you still can’t do better than even $42.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s certainly reasonable. I don’t know how many bills it was, but that’s certainly in the ballpark. Yeah, good point. it generally costs anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar a pill. It’s not an unreasonable price to pay. So I’m glad that he or she was able to get it from GoodRx.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, this one, Steve, I’m going to start with you on this one. I sent you guys this the other day. This came out in an article that I think, Steve, you had – I don’t know. I don’t remember who sent this to me. I get so much stuff that is sent my way. I apologize. I should have put names on this stuff. But half the states – So, point being… A lot of these people that are on Medicaid, Steve, really shouldn’t have to be. But yet you and I’s tax dollars and Kelly’s and Charlie’s are still going to pay for these people’s health care when they have other options and frankly have the means for those options. But because of the way states are doing it, they’re on Medicaid.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and there’s lots and lots of incentive problems, structure problems here at play because if you have an alternative for insurance, you should be able to take that option or do it. Part of the problem with that is since Obamacare was implemented, the cost of insurance has gone up thousands of dollars per year per person. So it’s basically priced people out of the insurance market if they want to have other lifestyle choices in play because they’re not paying for insurance. So if they’re eligible for Medicaid, they take it. Medicaid is no panacea. You don’t get the greatest service with a Medicaid plan because some doctors won’t take it, won’t take you as a patient if you have it, because it’s just too low a reimbursement. Should it be an option for people in that situation? No, it should not. But should the health insurance costs be a heck of a lot more competitive to go with it? Yes, they should. Neither are true today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting. Bottom line, Dr. Kelly, and again, we could spend an entire hour talking about Medicaid, Medicare, even the different revamps that need to happen there and so on. Reality is it’s becoming a norm.
SPEAKER 16 :
for a lot of people where for me personally dr kelly i always looked at medicaid as man if you don’t have you know a dime to your name then you may have to go use medicaid but otherwise it’s not to be used that’s the way i’ve always looked at it that’s how it was supposed to be but the um over over the years certainly um in the attempt to push us towards a more socialized medical system and that’s what it is they’re trying to you know, expand the Medicaid rolls. It really is just one more form of government subsidy. Right. It becomes an entitlement and they’re trying to cast the net farther and farther. So instead of a sort of safety net issue, as you said, for somebody who truly is on the outside, no money and no ability to provide health care for themselves and their children. Instead, it became a Oh, no, we’re going to even people making $70,000, $80,000 a year and with other options to still get on the government dole. It was never intended to be that way. It’s not sustainable. And what it does, unfortunately, resources are limited. Anyone who says that you’re not going to have rationed care doesn’t know what they’re talking about. There are limited resources. And the more people you give the handout to, the less each person is going to get. That’s simply how it works.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Question on this just came in on the text line. I’m not sure I really understand this question. Was COVID-19 the virus ever truly isolated via Koch’s prostulate? And I that’s those are things I know nothing about, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, I certainly didn’t do it personally, but I have every reason to believe that it was. I believe the people who looked at the genetic coding of it and that. So you’re getting into stuff way too complicated for this show to start talking about Koch’s postulates. But the idea that either that viruses don’t exist or that COVID the virus didn’t exist is something I personally don’t subscribe to. I believe is a coronavirus like millions of other viruses out there, which are coronaviruses. We’ve known of coronaviruses for decades. This is nothing new. It simply was a different variant. The issue was it wasn’t one we had any reason to be particularly concerned about for the vast majority of people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. All right. Makes sense. Steve, really quick, going back to… No, go ahead, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. Despite the fact, by the way, that it was lab engineered, it was not a naturally occurring coronavirus. It was created in a laboratory.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Gotcha. Yep. Nope. We’ve talked about that one many, many times on this particular program. Steve, going back to the whole Medicaid thing, and this is something where from the admin end of things and even politically speaking, which, you know, Medicaid, Medicare has gotten to the point where it’s like Social Security and no politician wants to touch anything because the minute you do, you’re accused of taking something away from somebody. But at the end of the day, Steve, if we don’t start doing some revamp on some of these things, Social Security included, it’s not going to exist. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Probably. I mean, part of what they are doing, and sometimes this is more painful than people realize, is they continue to cut physician pay in many, many ways. Sometimes it was cutting it by not growing it relative to inflation or what was happening. Sometimes it’s just purely a cut in the conversion factor and how it’s paid for. So they are trying to cut it, trying to manage it, but there’s that big problem with Medicare. And that is that the baby boomers, the final four years of the baby boomers is yet to come. There’s a big group of them and they’re not that healthy. So they’re going to spend up and eat up a lot of what goes on with Medicare. And there’s no incentive, zero incentive for anyone on Medicare to take care of themselves. I mean, I’ll tell you, name one thing that they have an incentive that says, you know what, if you keep your Medicare physician or if you spend a year on Medicare and you don’t go to the hospital once for an ED visit, we’ll give you a little bonus. We’d save a ton of money. People would work their way through things, but there’s no incentive not to do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no. And Dr. Kelly, he’s right. In fact, you know, we three of us talked about this even through all of COVID and some of the PSAs that could have been run instead of worrying about whether a doctor is prescribing, you know, ivermectin and masking up and distancing and all this other nonsense. We could have been doing some of the things that Steve just mentioned a moment ago, incentivizing people to get healthy. But we did just the opposite, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. All they would have had to do is start running PSAs about the importance of vitamin D. We knew early on, for example, that anyone who had their vitamin D level over 60 nanograms per milliliter had almost a zero chance of even needing to go see a doctor, let alone getting hospitalized with COVID. Yet you were not allowed to say that. We knew that people would have benefited from getting outside, breathing fresh air, being in the sunlight, those sorts of things. Not sitting at home, masked up, eating fast food, not getting together with friends and family. The stress did tremendous damage to people’s immune system. Lack of exercise, lack of the ability to go out and get your routine medical tests done because you weren’t supposed to go to the doctor and see them. All of these things were additive. If you put together a recipe for how to undermine people’s health and wellness and their overall ability to fight infection, I don’t think I could have done any better than what they did during the COVID lockdown. It was absolutely a recipe to destroy people’s health and wellness, and they didn’t want us to talk about any of the things that we knew that would have helped.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good point. All right, one of the things, and I’m not going to have a lot of time on this. I thought maybe we could touch on this. We’ll do a little bit more research on this one here over the next few weeks and come back to this one. But that’s an article I sent you guys out of Wall Street Journal. talking about how COVID is, quote, unquote, rewriting the rules of aging and that there have been brain decline in a lot of COVID patients. Dr. Kelly, have you heard anything about that at all?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I haven’t heard it put in those terms. There’s no question that one of the key symptoms of, quote, long COVID is the brain fog or the difficulty with cognition. There’s no question that the spike proteins from the virus and from the viral infection did cause neurocognitive changes is far more concerning in those people who are vaccinated, because those are the people who are continuing to make that toxic spike protein that can have that effect. So I think most, you know, let me said, I believe that long COVID exists. COVID is one of many, many viruses that can have a post viral syndrome. Certainly mononucleosis, Epstein-Barr and influenza are well known for that. But much of the vast majority of what is being called long COVID is actually vaccine injury. And in fact, these are people who have longstanding issues. Hopefully not the serious issues like blood clots and sudden death and myocarditis and autoimmune diseases and all those things, but are left with some, you know, fog brain, difficulty with cognition, some difficulty with memory and those sorts of things. and fortunately we are getting closer and closer i believe to coming up with some remedies if not cures at least some things that will help with that some things that you know ways to help people to clear the spike protein because that is the the toxic element so far we have not come up with any way to actually turn off the production of the spike protein that mRNA is still there. But if we can get rid of the spike proteins as they’re produced, that may be helpful.
SPEAKER 04 :
So really quick, Dr. Kelly, before I move to Steve, are there any studies being done to where, you know, in this particular article, you’re looking at people that are struggling with their, you know, cognitive ability and different things along those lines. Are we separating out those that were vaccinated versus those that were not? Are we just lumping them all together?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, they’re all being lumped together. It’s a great question. They’re all being lumped together. John, the number of people who have quote long COVID who weren’t vaccinated is very very low okay okay 99.9 percent of the people who believe are being told that they have long covered have been vaccinated okay so uh yeah they they’re there’s no way to you know to separate them out because they’ve almost all been vaccinated
SPEAKER 04 :
Steve, I sent you this article earlier as well, and again, it’s not a long read. It’s pretty short, which my concern there is, meaning there’s probably not a lot of information that could stick in this particular article because they’re sort of, I guess you could say, doing a little fact-finding at this point, but it’ll be interesting to see how this pans out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, I’ve heard a lot of different opinions about the validity or, I don’t know, I guess the total diagnostic picture of someone who has what we call long COVID. You know, as Kelly said, I mean, generally speaking, people who got COVID and got really sick from it were in fairly poor health conditions in a lot of ways anyway. They were deficient on vitality. They weren’t fit. There was all these problems associated with it. So if you’ve got long COVID, I, first of all, would be looking for – What other aspects of my life and my fitness level and the things that I do? Do I work in a factory with a very dirty air? What’s going on that’s contributing to my overall wellness? And then try to solve those wellness problems until there is some. definitive solution on long COVID, if that exists.
SPEAKER 04 :
Makes sense. Makes sense. And again, some of this, Dr. Kelly, as you’ve said many, many times, because there wasn’t enough studying done on the front side, the control group is actually out there being studied as we speak. The reality is there is a subset of individuals, ourselves included, in that particular group that didn’t get vaccinated, which, by the way, they are really not talking to us much about anything, even how good we feel on a daily basis. But only time will tell how some of this stuff turns out, correct?
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And believe me, if the powers that be had their way, we would be, you know, there wouldn’t be any of us left.
SPEAKER 04 :
We’d be in that group.
SPEAKER 16 :
They keep pushing me. Yeah, we’d be in that group. They would like to eliminate as many as possible of what you and I might call purebloods, people who were never inoculated with that mRNA genetic therapy. It appears that somewhere in the range of 80 percent of all Americans took at least one shot. That doesn’t leave very many of us left in the, quote, control group. And again, they continue to push this stuff. It is unbelievable to me, given the amount of data, the overwhelming tsunami of data that we have showing ill harm’s And every day I wake up to another study. Cleveland Clinic just did a study showing, again, that the more vaccinated you are for COVID, the more likely you are to contract it. Emory University just published a study this past week saying that there is not a shred of evidence, not any evidence, that the injections decreased your risk of hospitalization or death.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, think about that. That’s what we were told. First, we were told it would keep you from getting COVID. Then they said, okay, well, it won’t keep you from getting COVID, but it’ll keep you from transmitting it to somebody else. They said, well, actually, it won’t keep you from transmitting it to somebody else, but it’ll keep you from getting really sick and ending up in the hospital. They said, well, actually, it won’t keep you from getting to the hospital, but it’ll keep you from dying. Then it turns out that it’s always a big, fat lie. And study after study comes out now proving that. And yet, despite all of that, they’re still pushing it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah, great point. All right, that’s a great ending for today’s program. Guys, as always, thank you so much. Dr. Kelly, I’ll let you go first. Appreciate all of your information. I learn something every week.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, and have a wonderful, wonderful Easter.
SPEAKER 04 :
Have a great Easter, too. Thank you very much. Steve, you as well. Have a great Easter, and thanks for all you do as well. You do great things for us, my friend. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. All right, man. Take care. Happy Easter as well. Veteran windows and doors up next. 35% off up to three windows, 40% for four or more, 45% off doors. Give Dave a call today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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All right, and we covered a lot during that hour, and I will, I’m sure, still get a few text messages in, probably even during the 6 o’clock hour, asking, okay, where are some of these other places that I can find, you know, telehealth and so on. So first things first. Dr. Scott Faulkner, which, yes, he’s a concierge doctor. He would love to be your permanent doctor. But regardless, give him a call. Find out exactly what he could do for you, even when it comes to certain things that he may be able to help you with, ivermectin and the like. So I don’t know exactly how all that works inside of his practice, but give him a call and find out exactly what he can do. On top of that, Dr. Kelly mentioned her affiliation with the company that she works with. I’ve also had Jace Medical, J-A-S-E, Jace Medical on before many times on podcasts. My other program on Friday is Ready Radio because they’ve got readiness kits put together that contain everything you need up to a three-month supply, depending upon what you’re looking to do and have protection for. And they’ve done this now for several years. They’re not going anywhere. They’ve been in business for quite some time. And you can use promo code RUSH to get a little bit of a discount on things you buy there as well. So with that, hour number one is over. We’ll be back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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The Rich Guy.
