This episode of Drive Radio mixed nostalgia, practical shop wisdom, and straight talk for anyone who loves cars or has to keep one running. The big question of the day asked listeners to name things that used to be common on vehicles but have mostly disappeared from modern cars. That opened the floodgates for memories of hood ornaments, ashtrays, wing windows, dimmer switches on the floor, rumble seats, whip antennas, front bench seats, hubcaps, and even starter buttons on the floor.
Along the way, the guys helped callers work through real repair issues, including a Toyota Sienna that cranks but
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And it is Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Pat Schneidt, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Good morning, Pat. Good morning, John. How are you doing? I’m very well. Good to see you this morning. Thank you. Beautiful day. And those of you that haven’t been out and about, it is gorgeous out. So we’ve got lots to talk about, as always. We’ll get to the question of the day in a moment. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. Larry Enger, answering phones. Our main line, 303-477. 5 6 0 0 3 0 3 4 7 7 5 6 0 0. Give us a call. We’ll get you right on air. You can text us as well.
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All right. Question of the day, which I stole somewhere this past week. Actually, I think I saw this two weeks ago. I don’t know. I think it was somebody sent it to me. I can’t remember. Shameless. Anyways. And if you did, thank you. I apologize for not mentioning who that is, but I get so much stuff sent my way that some days I forget where things come from. Hard to keep track. Yes, it is. So question of the day. What’s no longer in or on a car? today that was common years ago so what’s no longer in or on cars today that was common years ago that is the question of the day again 303 477 5600 you can text that in as well 307 282 22 so we’ll start this off pat and i can give you guys a couple of ideas this is really an easy question of the day and it should be fun because there’s a lot of things that we used to have yep on vehicles that you don’t see anymore at all. They’re just not on cars. And there’s lots of reasons why. Some of it is styling. Some of it is cost. Some of it is safety. All sorts of things that we used to have on vehicles that we do not have today. So, for example, and I’ll steal this one from Larry. He said this one earlier. And a few cars today still have these. Okay. Although not many. And that’s a hood ornament. Oh, yes. Back in the day, almost every car had some sort of a hood ornament on it. We were so stylish back in the day. Oh, yeah. And a lot of cars had hood ornaments. I miss them. And some of them got super fancy. They’d be spring loaded. They sometimes, you know, Rolls Royce actually folds back down into the body, all sorts of things along those lines. So that’s one example of, okay, question of the day. Again, what’s no longer on cars that used to be very, very popular at one point in time? I’ve got a favorite. Okay.
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So my dad drove big cars, Buicks, Cadillacs, all the stuff. There was an ashtray in every corner. And I mean, none of us smoked.
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That’s another good one. Yeah, but they were full of gum wrappers and just sticky gum and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, great. Oh, that’s another good one. So ashtrays, absolutely. Eric, you’re up first today. Go ahead.
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Yes, John, good morning.
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Good morning.
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So I have a 98 Coyote Sienna.
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Okay.
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Original fuel pump finally died, and I dropped the tank, replaced it. Car fired up beautifully. I drove it around the neighborhood, test driving it, good acceleration, etc., It had dumped oil on the driveway, so I parked it in the street to clean up the oil, and that won’t start. It cranks. If I went ahead and removed the air filter, sprayed starter fluid, wants to fire up, I’m wondering if maybe my starter relay or a fuel pump relay or something, Maybe there’s a second filter other than the stuff in the tank that I need to look for or something like that.
SPEAKER 17 :
So make sure I’m following this correctly. Will it crank and not start, or does it not crank?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it cranks.
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Okay, so it does crank. Then we don’t have anything, starter, starter, relay. There’s nothing along those lines. Right, those are working. Yeah, if it’s cranking, we’re good there. No start means, and the next question that we’re going to have to answer is, is it fuel or is it spark?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. It could well be that the recently replaced fuel pump is not pumping.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s what’s weird is I was able to drive around the neighborhood the first day, and then the next day it wouldn’t start. But also if I spray the starter fluid into the air intake area, it wants to fire.
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Okay, that means we have spark.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
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Good. Okay, we have spark, so that’s good. I think we’re going to want to do a fuel pressure test.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. I’ll have to look into doing that. I haven’t done a fuel pressure test on a vehicle in a long, long time.
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Yeah, there should be a test port on the fuel rail up under the hood where you can actually see what’s getting to the engine. Okay. Other than that, it was running, so I’m not thinking you’ve got spark plug or coil or fuel injector problems. Those were all working prior to replacing the pump. So the one variable that’s changed is the pump itself.
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Yeah, even after replacing the pump. So it’s a brand new pump. Right. And I drove around the neighborhood. It had acceleration. I could rev it. And then I parked it, and the next day it wouldn’t start again.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, yep. I mean, you don’t know until you actually get it diagnosed and figured out, but sometimes new means never, ever worked. But, I mean, I heard you say that you drove it a little bit, but it may not, you know, maybe it just didn’t take long. We’ve seen stranger things.
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Well, and really quick, one quick test, Eric, that you could do without even having a pressure gauge or anything is just go to the Schrader valve, where Pat’s talking, where you actually do the port to check it. It’s got a little Schrader valve, like a tire valve. Just take a little screwdriver, push it in. Is there fuel coming out or not? I mean, be careful. You don’t want to get it in your eye or anything along those lines, so be careful. You can have a rag ready or whatever. But if there’s nothing coming out of it, well, we know right away what our problem is.
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Okay.
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Now, really quick, if you push that Schrader valve in and we get a spray of fuel out, well, now going down Pat’s route, and let’s see what the pressure actually is. Is it high enough? A lot of vehicles, believe it or not, even though there’s pressure there, if it’s not the right pressure, they won’t start. Mm-hmm.
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Right, right.
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I’m trying to think. For a lot of you listening, you would think, wait a minute, that doesn’t make any sense. Even if it has low pressure, it should start and just not run very well. Nope, they will just not even start at all if it’s not the right pressure.
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I think starting requires the most pressure. Once it’s running, it’ll actually run with lower pressure than it requires. But, yeah, starting requires full pressure. And I’m wondering, I don’t believe there’s a secondary fuel filter on that vehicle. I’m not 100% sure on that. But it should be a sock at the fuel pump in the tank.
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Yeah, all of that got swapped, and even the filter on the pressure regulator is brand new.
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Okay.
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Now, I did not swap the actual pressure regulator, though.
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Actual pressure regulator. So that could be, but again, that was working prior. Yeah. What type of fuel pump did you put in? What brand?
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I would have to go look at the box.
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Okay.
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But it’s one I got from Napa.
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Yeah, so it should be decent quality. Certainly under warranty if not, if it’s not working.
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And the specs on that one should be 44, 45 to 50. PSI? Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah, and I was just weird that it drove around fine. I mean, fired up beautifully, drove around fine. As soon as I put the tank back up and Went to, you know, reconnect the battery, all the usual stuff.
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Right.
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Drove beautifully, and then next day it’ll crank, but no start. Like I said, I spray the starter fluid in there. I get spark, but it just doesn’t seem to catch and keep running.
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Yeah, so I think certainly stranger coincidences have happened, and I’m not saying it’s not the fuel pump, but until you can actually prove that that’s working, I think that’s where you want to go. That would be a good diagnostic path to prove that it is functioning as designed.
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Sounds like a plan. At least I’ve got a step forward other than looking at relays and stuff.
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Yep, right. All right. All right. No, let us know, Eric. Appreciate you very much. And you can always text us off air as well if you need to. Tom, in Denver, hang tight. We’ll come back and take your call in just a moment. We have a line open, 303-477-5600. Question of the day, what used to be on cars that was very common that isn’t today? And I’ve had several of this particular answer come through on the text line, wing windows. Wing windows. Go figure. Wing windows. All right. We’ll be right back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Pat Schneidt, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. If you need anything done up there, that is the place to go. You can find Pat on our website, drive-radio.com. Tom in Denver, you are next. Go ahead.
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Good morning. You’re definitely part of my continuing education.
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Thank you.
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I have a problem with a 2018 Chevy Suburban with about 90,000 miles on it after a Hot day of driving yesterday, I let it park for about 20 minutes and started up again. Then all of a sudden, it had check engine light, and that’s some message that says it’s in the limp mode. And so I put a scanner on it and a code P228C, fuel pressure regulator control, and a P0300 engine misfire detected. And so I was wondering what’s the best angle to tackle it with, whether it’s the pressure regulator, the high-pressure fuel pump, or… Low pressure.
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We’re back to what Pat was even talking about with Eric here just a few minutes ago, Tom. Got to get a pressure gauge on it, find out exactly what the pressure is, and those codes would be related. And if we don’t have enough fuel pressure, which everything you’re describing, I would almost guess needs a fuel pump.
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Fuel pump, okay.
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I mean, I don’t know that for sure. Well, there’s only one. You’re going to put it in the tank. Somebody’s going to have to drop the tank and put the pump in it. But everything you’re describing, that’s what it sounds like.
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Oh, okay. So is that common around 100,000 miles or so?
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In that vintage? 2018 Suburban? Not necessarily. Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, the older ones, yes, it was very common at 100K to put a pump in it. Although, keep in mind, I mean, you’re in a vehicle that’s not quite 20 years old yet, but it’s getting, or 10 years old, it’s getting close.
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Yeah, about getting close to 10 years. I was going to ask when the check engine light was on, was it flashing or did it come on solid?
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Good question. Flashing.
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Flashing. That’s bad. Yeah, that’s potentially… You don’t want to drive it when it’s flashing. That’s for everybody listening.
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If the check engine light’s flashing, you want to pull over and turn it off.
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Yeah, you want to turn it off as soon as possible. risk of sending unburned fuel down through the exhaust and having it explode in the catalytic converter and possible engine damage possible exhaust damage you know that sort of stuff so it’s it’s more than an evaporative emissions leak is what that is okay because yeah it seems like a heat sink also because it drove fine and i just set it in the dryer for about 20 minutes and when i started up again that’s when everything happened the lights start flashing and the modes are so that that could very well be too because if maybe it’s got some electrical connections that are getting tired if they get hot um and i’m just speaking from experience i’ve got an older car it’s a cadillac and i just replaced the whole fuse block because the relay melted from the fuel pump and so yeah it happens right as the electrical connections get dirty or old or whatever so wow okay all right i’ll go from there then um
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I appreciate your information.
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No, you’re very welcome, Tom.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, thank you for calling.
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Yep, appreciate it very much. Thank you. And, yeah, again, not necessarily a common problem, but one that – yeah, I mean, as Pat said earlier, it’s just something that happens, and fuel pumps aren’t as common as they used to be, although they still get – All right, running down the list, Paul, hang tight. We’ll get to you. Running down the list of the text line on the question of the day, and this one came through from several different text messages. Question of the day is, what used to be on vehicles that are no longer there? Dimmer switches on the floor. Now, we have dimmer switches, of course, that are built into the turn signal now typically on the left-hand side. And depending upon the vehicle, sometimes on the right, it just depends on the vehicle and how it’s equipped and so on. But no longer on the floor. They are now all done hand-wise. And so, yeah, dimmer switches on the floor, very, very common back in the day. And a lot of younger folks have no idea what I just said. Because unless they drive an old vehicle, they would have no idea what that even is, because they have not been on the floor for a long time. A long time. Probably 70s? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they started going away in the late 70s. Yeah. Early 80s, they were pretty much gone by then.
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Which, actually, if you grew up in northern climates, it’s fine, because snow around those would get rusted and get your carpet all rotten and all that stuff.
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So, yeah. No, it was a good thing. Moving them was a good thing. Paul, you’re next. Go ahead.
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All right. Good morning. Good morning. I have an old Subaru. I’d like to upgrade the headlights, and I’m not really sure. I put the brightest Sylvania bulb in from the Napa store, but it only helped about maybe 10%. So I don’t know if I should just put on auxiliary lights or change out the whole headlight assembly for something else, but I wouldn’t know what that would be. What would you guys recommend?
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You can also, there are retrofit kits where you can run LEDs in that existing housing. I will tell you, though, I think, Paul, when it’s all said and done, because I’ve got some older vehicles where I’ve kind of fussed with this a little bit, and I think you’re better off buying a unit that’s already made to have LEDs and everything in it. I think they build the reflectors and everything better for that particular unit. design and i think you’re better off changing the entire headlamp out if you’re going to go to leds and which brand to use is that’s the tough part paul i will be straight up honest you just have to go look research look at the reviews on each brand and so on there’s some really really good brands out there and i will say this you do get what you pay for so to find a really good brand that works well you’re going to pay more money than the cheap chinese stuff yep totally agreed
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So LEDs are preferable to the headlight option?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Well, if you can find, you know, if it’s a type of a headlamp where you can go the Hella option and go that route, no, those work very well. There’s nothing wrong with their units at all. They’re very bright. They work extremely well if you have that option. A lot of vehicles that have the composite headlamps, you can’t do that with. So it just depends on what you have.
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Oh, I see.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I think, John, what you said just a minute ago is really the key. The way that the headlight assembly, or they call it the bucket, is designed with the reflectors. If it’s designed to use LED, it will work. But if LEDs have come on since that headlight bucket was designed, you put an LED bulb in there, it won’t be directional enough and it’ll be a glare, but it won’t be a…
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bright direction. It makes everything brighter, but it doesn’t necessarily give you any more light when it’s all said and done. Exactly. Yep. Again, been down that path with a couple of old vehicles and trying to do what you’re doing. And I will tell you straight up, this is not an easy thing because there is a lot of stuff on the market and a lot of it, Paul, I’m just going to say straight up is absolute garbage. It’s junk. You’ll be brighter like pat just said but at the end of the day there’s no more light thrown out in front of you which is what you’re looking for is the ability to see and drive better when you when you do a headlight assembly do you have to get into the electrical system more to put on additional no if you if you buy the right bucket assembly the right headlamp assembly that’s meant for leds no it’ll all be plug and play yep it should just have one plug that disconnects the whole assembly from the that wiring harness underneath the hood Now, some of the old HID upgrades, they required some additional relays and, in some cases, a little different wiring and so on. But those kind of have gone away. Paul, I used to do a lot of those back in the day when I had my shops. The HID conversions were a big deal back then because we didn’t have LEDs like we have today. But the LEDs have taken over.
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Okay. Well, thanks, guys. I sure appreciate all your… your work and your information. Thank you for all your time you spend on. Well, thanks. Thank you, Paul.
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No, I appreciate it. Thank you as well. Thanks for listening. It’s because of all you listening and calling in and doing what you do that we’re here in the first place. So no, thank you very, very much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
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Before we go to break, let’s throw another. An item that used to be on vehicles that’s not much today. In fact, this one’s a good one because I don’t know if there’s hubcaps. That was another one that came in on the text line. Oh, wow. And hubcaps were big back in the day because we didn’t have all of the alloy wheel options that we have today. But I don’t think there’s any vehicles today running hubcaps. They might have a center cap, but not an actual hubcap.
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Well, no, if you have some of the, I’m thinking like a black steel wheel, and I do a gray sparkle, like a plastic hubcap, there’s still a few out there. There’s still a few.
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There’s a few. But not as many. Question of the day, what used to be on vehicles that isn’t now? Give us what that question of the day answer is. We’ve got a couple lines open, 303-477-5600. Text line, of course, 307-282-22. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for tuning in. Myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Call Pat if you need anything up in that northern area, including Cheyenne. You guys can drive down and visit, which a lot of you I know already do.
SPEAKER 03 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 17 :
Next on the list from the text line on things that used to be on vehicles that are no longer, and this is going way back in time, rumble seats.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, there’s none of those left. Those went away a long time ago. That’s cool. A long, long time ago. Perry in North Glen, you’re next.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hi, John. I called last week on that 94 F-350. Yes, yes, yes. And you recommended I get a Jasper, and you recommended accountable. I called them. They won’t work on a truck that old.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, and a lot won’t. That’s going to be an issue in some cases.
SPEAKER 05 :
I called our way out of the West. They said Jasper doesn’t have that transmission in stock right now. I’m not sure when they’re going to get it back.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, dang. It means they’d have to build yours probably.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they gave me a second choice of Napa certified remanufactured from Napa.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
I didn’t know what I’d be giving up if I took that choice. Is that a good choice or should I wait on the Jasper and be patient?
SPEAKER 17 :
What kind of an ETA on Jasper did they give you?
SPEAKER 05 :
They wouldn’t give them an answer.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Will they take yours and redo it?
SPEAKER 05 :
I didn’t ask that question.
SPEAKER 17 :
I would ask that and see because that might be a better option. The only downside is, of course, the truck’s going to be down for that amount of time as to whatever that is. And your truck is such that I don’t know that I’d want to leave it sit there during that time. In other words, it’s going to be a little more expensive because I think if it were me, I would want the transmission pulled, get it sent. I’d want the truck back at my place. And then when the transmission comes back, I’d want the truck back over there. So you’re going to have two tow bills, unfortunately. right i got okay so by what you said you’re you’re recommending weight on jasper or have them rebuild mine or have them rebuild yours that’s what i would do and the only reason i say that is i don’t know who’s doing i don’t know who’s doing napa’s rebuild i don’t know exactly so napa doesn’t build on themselves somebody else is that’s right remanufacture house so at the very least
SPEAKER 03 :
you want to make sure that whatever transmission route you go, you get a decent warranty. So typically on a remanufactured transmission, you should be able to find a three-year unlimited mileage warranty, which is at least going to give you 36 months in the truck to prove it out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Okay. I think that answers my question. I just thought there’s two choices, which would be better, and I think you’ve answered it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. I mean, I know what I would do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Okay. That’s good enough for me. Thank you for your help.
SPEAKER 17 :
Perry, thank you very much. I appreciate it. And, you know, Arvada West will take great care of you. And, again, question of the day, what used to be on vehicles that is no longer, and I’ve got a ton coming in on the text line. So, guys, thanks. I appreciate that greatly. You’re more than welcome to call in as well, 303-477-5600. And this is going way back, sort of like the rumble seat, other than not quite as far back. But this is, again, another one where a lot of young people won’t know at one point in time including the dimmer switch that would have been on the floor, and if you had a stick shift transmission, a manual transmission, you actually would have had one, two, three, four, five things on the floor, because you have the dimmer switch, you have the clutch, you have the brake, you have the gas, and back then, you had one more that you started the vehicle with. There was a starter button on the floor that was next to the accelerator pedal, and you would actually… On the far right. Yep, on the far right, you would actually push that to actually get the vehicle… to start so where i experienced that was in my grandfather’s old farm truck oh yeah right yeah yeah and again that was really common uh back in the day so and somebody even sent me a picture of that and i i honestly had kind of forgotten about those um yeah uh and the other one too that has come in here of late also in in this one is yeah because you you still see Some cars with antennas, although no one has the whip antennas anymore. If you see an antenna, it’s typically a shorty. Some of the guys use the stick style or whatever. But there’s no more whip antennas like you used to have. And that used to be very, very common, even from the factory. The other thing, too, and I’m getting this one from a lot of people, are bench seats. Now, there are still some trucks… that have bench seats. And a lot of the back seats in a lot of cars are still bench. But no, most front seats in most cars today, because the way they’ve done the center stack and the console and so on, yeah, there are very, very, very few cars built with a, in fact, I don’t know if there’s any built with a bench seat now. It makes dating a lot less interesting. Yeah, I mean, they’ve got that stuff all packed in. And, yeah, I mean, I can’t think. I’ve got to go back in time now to think when was the last car. I have to look this up, so I’m going to do this for a minute. When was the last car built with an actual bench seat? And, again, those went out literally. I mean, you could still order some in some cases. back in the day, but those bench seats went out almost in the early 90s or so, probably, is when they went away.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, you’re talking full-size Oldsmobiles, Grand Marquis, maybe, but yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, you just don’t see them anymore. Again, they started to go away basically in about the 90s or so. Robert and Thornton, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the question I have is the builder and then I had a painter paint my house And around every window and every door at the very top, which out of sight, out of mind, they didn’t cock. And you got possibly maybe anywhere from an eighth of an inch to a quarter-inch gap. And while I say no, maybe there’s a reason, I just think it’s out of sight, out of mind, they didn’t do it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Is that correct? I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I think so, too.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, I would say that. They’re not designed to have an air gap airflow. No, they should be sealed up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so I’m going to get the painter out here and tell him you need to do every one of the windows and doors then.
SPEAKER 17 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
You betcha. Great. Thanks very much.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re very welcome, Robert. Appreciate you very much. Great question, by the way. For those of you listening, that’s a carryover from Fix-It Radio. We do that in the mornings from 9 to 10 on Saturday. So if you guys ever have any questions on any of that kind of stuff, we’re always there 9 to 10 a.m. on Saturday mornings answering questions just like that. So Greg and Parker is next. Go ahead, Greg. Hi, John. Good morning.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, we were just wondering, we’re actually going to be buying a new Kia. Getting rid of our Kia and buying a new Toyota. I think you’ve discussed it before on your show. They always want to add on their window tint at the dealership and windshield protection and all these protection items. Could you tell us what we should avoid doing there and go to somebody else?
SPEAKER 17 :
All of them. All of them.
SPEAKER 06 :
All of them.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, it’s all of them. And, guys, I saw I got a family member that sent me a deal sheet last night. And, you know, they try to add on theft protection and this protection and that protection. All of that is extra profit, Greg, that they’re adding into the deal. And in some cases, like theft protection is $750. And maybe they’ve etched a window or they’ve done this or they’ve done that. And at the end of the day, it’s a gimmick. I’m being 100% honest. If somebody wants that car, it’s going whether that theft protection is on it or not. That car will be gone. Have good insurance is the only thing you need when it comes to theft protection. That’s what that’s called. And at the end of the day, in this case, it was $750 additional to the price of the car. That’s just additional profit to the dealers, all that is. Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Well, I know the window tuning, you said you can definitely get that done cheaper someplace else. Yeah, I mean, Royal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Our sponsor, you know, Roy Protech Auto Shield, yeah, he does all of that, including any of the paint protection film, the PPF, clear bra, all of that, Greg. He does all of that. We’ll do it cheaper than what the – cheaper – let me just say it this way. Not only cheaper, but a better product when it’s all said and done than what the dealers are doing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Better product and more choices. That’s right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because the dealers are going to use the cheapest thing, even the window film itself, Greg. I’m not saying they won’t tint them. They will. But they’re going to use the cheapest film they have. Yep. Right, and I know they were pushing that clear bra and this and that, and I was like… Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, and that includes when you get into the F&I department, we’re not buying gap insurance, we’re not buying extended warranties, we’re not buying anything. We’re buying the car, that’s it, give me the deal, and I want the best financing available, or go bring your own if you’re financing it, bring your own financing that they’re going to match. That’s another good way to do it. So for a lot of you listening, when it goes to buying a new car, figure out what kind of financing you can do on your own, your local bank, your credit union online, find out what rate you’ll get. And that way, Greg, when you go in and they start quoting you rates, if they’re a point or two higher, you can just say, listen, either match the rate, same deal, or I’m going to go there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, have you heard them? I mean, I’ve tried to listen to videos and stuff, too, on it. And some people say, well, let them go ahead and do their spiel. They may drop the price of the car to get you into their financing. Is that a possibility?
SPEAKER 17 :
Sometimes they will. Typically, they don’t. They may. I mean, here’s the thing. You always will save money financing the car with them versus paying cash. A lot of people think, oh, I’ve got cash. I’m going to pay cash. Actually, a dealership, they look at you like, yeah, great. Now this is a really bad deal for us because they make money on the financing, Greg. If they’re quoting you an 8% rate, they’re probably getting that rate at 6% or 7%. And they’re making a point or two on that. So believe me, they’re making money on the financing. That’s why you get a better deal typically financing than you do paying cash.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Wow. And that’s what we were thinking. We were probably going to try to pay cash for it. You’ll get a better deal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Even if you have cash, in this case, if you’ve got cash, as everybody listening, if you have cash, you’re still better off making a deal with them finance-wise, because you’ll typically get a better deal, even if it’s a few hundred dollars off, a few hundred bucks, a few hundred bucks. And all you have to do is just carry that loan for a month and pay it off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and that’s what we were talking about doing. And the one other protection that they were really pushing, because the new cars have a camera in the windshield, they said we wanted their three-year windshield protection because of the tuning or whatever.
SPEAKER 17 :
And on that one, I’ve even talked to some of my glass guys. Here’s what you have to do on that. Quote it accordingly. You’ve got insurance that you can get quoted through with your own agent. Find out what glass coverage would be through your agent and what’s that cost versus their cost. There are some situations whereby the dealership charge is a better deal than what you get on your own insurance. So that one you got to weigh accordingly, Greg. That’s a great question, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, because, yeah, we actually called our insurance agent because we’ve got a We’ve got an old, old policy that we’ve been with them for years, and we wanted to make sure, too. And they said, no, even the new windshield on the RAV4, we’ll cover it. So as long as they’re saying they’re covering it, I’m guessing we should be good with the insurance company coverage.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think so, too, because if there is a calibration on a camera required with the windshield replacement, that would be included with that coverage.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate all your information. Enjoy your show. Have a great weekend.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re very welcome. No, Greg, thank you very much. Great questions, by the way. I appreciate that greatly. John Littleton, hang tight. We’ll come back and talk about your Yukon Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back, and Pat and I are laughing. My list of things that are coming in from the text line, I just keep writing down, and I’m going to run out of room here in a minute because of how many you guys have thought of. I’ll keep mentioning those. The question of the day is give me something that used to be on cars, you know, back in the day that are no longer on cars today, and the list is getting longer. So thank you all. I appreciate it. I will mention all of them by the time we’re done, trust me. John and Littleton, you’re next, though.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi guys, thanks for the call. I really miss those window wings. There you go, 100%. Yeah, those were awesome. Yes, great. Hey, so I have a 2006 GMC Yukon XL. The front end is pretty loose, so I know it needs ball joints and tie rods. A couple things I had a question about. I know all those things are affecting alignment, but what about the pitman arm and the idler arm? How much do they affect alignment? the alignment of the car and what do they affect if those joints are bad?
SPEAKER 03 :
So if those joints are bad, basically what will happen is you can’t keep the car in good alignment. So you’ll hit a bump and the car will change direction a little bit even though the steering wheel didn’t turn. Or you’ll know you’re driving down a straight stretch of highway, you can take your hand at the 12 o’clock position on the steering wheel, move it from 11 to 1, 11 to 1, and the car keeps going straight. So you’ve got some loose parts there, and then the issue is an alignment just doesn’t take effect. So in order to be able to accurately align the car, you want to have everything tight, including those joints.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I’ve never changed any of those two items. Any suggestions? There was one harder than the other, or do I do them in a certain sequence?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, not necessarily, because this is a steering gearbox, so it is a pitman arm and a drop link on the other side. I’m sorry, I’m losing my… Idler arm. There you go, idler arm. There you go. Yeah, there might be like a little bit of a puller, a tool to press it off the box itself, the gear on the box, but it’s not crazy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, and how do I know if I need a steering box versus a loose idler arm or whatever?
SPEAKER 17 :
You view it. The best way to do that for you would be to grab a piece of cardboard, blanket, whatever. I hate getting on the ground without having something under you. That’s just me, personally. Grab a flashlight. Vehicle does not have to be on. It’s better if it’s not, by the way. Steering wheel does need to be unlocked and have somebody, you know, partner, wife, kid, whatever, hop up in the driver’s seat and just move the steering wheel back and forth, left, right, left, right. And you will be able to see down below whatever movement is there. And you’ll know if something’s loose or not just by what I’m talking about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, correct. Basically, that’s called dry steering. So you’ve got the tires on dry pavement, and you can see if the steering shaft coming into the top of the box is moving and the pitman arm on the bottom of the box is not, then there’s play in the box.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, I see. Okay. Look at the top and then look at the bottom and make sure they’re following each other.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you’ll see similar movement all throughout, like you were mentioning before, your tie rods left to right and potentially even control arm ball joint, like control arm bushings. You might see a lot of flex and movement down there as well. But if you’re able to see that well illuminated with the flashlight while someone’s doing the dry steer on dry concrete or pavement, you’ll be seeing some movement. You’ll see it all. Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And then the last question I had is about sway bar links. Is there a quick way to make sure they’re okay or not okay? And are they also important to the whole system?
SPEAKER 17 :
Believe it or not, in what we’re talking about, you’ll see those actually move or not move accordingly as well. It’s another way to check. And they also you can look at and just see, okay, does the rubber still look good? You know, what’s everything looking like there? How many miles are on it, John, by the way? It’s an 06. How many miles? 200 plus. If it doesn’t have things worn out, I would be shocked. I would be shocked, too. Normally, you start doing this around 120 to 140. Yeah, and on that vehicle, most of those should have been replaced by now. If not, I can almost guarantee you you’re going to need to do some front-end work. Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so I’m just trying to figure out how much I have to do, but it sounds like I’m going to do it all.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, on an 06, with that many miles on it, I would be surprised if you don’t have some control arm bushings that are needed, some ball joints that are needed. On that one especially, the drag link idler, all of that, I would be shocked if some of those things do not need replacing. I mean, the only reason they wouldn’t need replaced is if they’ve already been done. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And as you mentioned, you might be already doing them for the second time. I don’t know if you’re the original owner or not, but a lot of times at this mileage, you might be doing them a second time. That’s right. That’s exactly right. And this is a great truck, by the way. This is a great platform. So if you’re thinking, is it worth the investment? It’s well worth the investment. Yes, for sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, great to hear.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that was the last year.
SPEAKER 08 :
I better get to work.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that was the last year for those that still had the heavy, you know, torsion bar front end. You know, 07, they went to the coilover type front end. Not that that was any worse, but it’s just a different design. That one still has the old torsion bar style front end and everything. And they actually, they were very heavy, a little bit rougher riding than the 07s and up. But as far as stability and longevity and all of that, John, pretty tough to beat. Well, and I would say this, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know if you would be doing some of this work yourself, John, but if you’ve got a good shop. I’d be doing all of it. You would? Okay. I’d probably be doing all of it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Since you are, and this is for everybody listening, don’t buy the cheap suspension stuff that’ll be out there. You’ll even have more than a good, better, best. Only buy the best, John, because that vehicle especially, if you don’t, you’ll be doing these parts much sooner than later. Correct. Down the road.
SPEAKER 08 :
Buy the best parts you can get. Buy the best stuff you can buy.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. So give me a hint how I would know the difference. When you go to Napa, you just want to tell them, listen, I want the top-of-the-line quality parts of the things I’m needing. So if you need idler arms, tie rod ends, whatever, whatever it is you need, you just tell them, I want the best of the best, and they’ll handle it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I was looking online at this Detroit Axle Company. I don’t know if you’ve heard of them or anything about them.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I know of them. Where do they fall? Low, middle, high? I’ve never bought from them, so I don’t know. That one I wish I could tell you, but I do not know. And I’m the same. I’m sorry, I don’t know. Yeah, I mean, back in the day when I had my shops, we used to buy a lot of stuff from different companies, especially on suspension and that kind of stuff, because we did a lot of off-road work and things like that, John. But they I do not know.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I’m trying to remember now what the top of the line Napa brand is because they have sub brands and they do have a value line, but they’ve changed the name and the meaning of the name over time. So I think to John’s point, if you just ask them for not the value brand, but the top performing brand or line on the Napa parts, you’ll be fine.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I’m guessing, I’m on their website, I went to their website a second ago, they’re reselling just like Napa, John. I mean, they’re not building their own components, so they’re buying stuff from somebody else and reselling. Their slogan is shop with no middleman. Well, yeah, they can be buying directly from somebody and reselling it to you, but that’s really not any different than what Napa’s doing, truthfully. Same situation, it’s no different. Right. Yeah. And again, I wish I knew more about them, and if somebody does, you’re more than welcome to send me a text message or what have you, but it looks to me like looking at their website, they’re doing exactly what NAPA’s doing. It’s just on a different level, that’s all.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you might be able to save money doing it through the Internet and mail delivery versus brick and mortar.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, awesome.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and as I look, for example, I’m looking at their, the issue that I have with them really quick, so I’m looking at their idle arms and things like that, for example. I can’t even tell you what brand it is by look, and I have no, I can’t tell by the part number or anything. I have no idea. I would have no idea who’s building their stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so they don’t build anything.
SPEAKER 17 :
I can tell you from there is not enough. How should I say this? There’s no way they could do enough volume. I don’t care how much they’re doing. There’s no way they could do enough volume to build all their own parts. Right. No way. Sure. They’re buying it and reselling it from someone. And is that what all the auto parts stores are doing as well? Every single auto parts store that I know of out there from even the online guys, even Amazon, for example, if you haven’t bought this stuff from Amazon, somebody’s buying that part manufactured from someone. And in this case, yes, there’s Chinese suppliers, there’s American suppliers and so on, but they’re buying that component and reselling it is what they’re doing. Most of the manufacturers don’t actually have brands that you would see on the street. No. And these are great questions, by the way, because everybody else listening, it’s exactly the same on a lot of the components that are out there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which makes it hard to trace back, honestly.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that’s the hard part, John, because you get a situation like this where you don’t even know, in this case, Detroit Axle. You don’t even know who – you don’t know what part you’re buying. You’re buying it from them, and as long as they’re there to stand behind it, great. My problem with that is I don’t know them, and will they be there in a year or two? I can tell you Napa will be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and back to the question of warranty. Even if you save money on the part and you say it comes with a one-year or two-year warranty, if it is warrantied, you’re still doing it twice. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I don’t want to do it twice.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, right. And even on there, really quick, and I know we’re running out of time, but it does say right here in front of me, they’re a leading global retailer and distributor of OE remanufactured and new aftermarket auto parts. So in other words, they’re doing exactly what NAPA does. Yep, they’re sourcing.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. All right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And if they only sell one line, we don’t know if that’s a high, low, or medium line. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re 100% correct. Okay. All right, John. Appreciate you got a run. Appreciate it very much. We’ll go to the top of the hour. We’ll be right back. Hour number two is next. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 02 :
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