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This week on Drive Radio, John Rush and guest Pat Schneid from Alltech Automotive kick off the show with a nostalgic ride through automotive memories—listeners call in with tales of their first cars, from a 1968 Dodge Dart to a dream ‘67 Camaro. The conversation shifts gears to hybrids and EVs as callers weigh in on Toyota’s long-term reliability, hybrid longevity, and even the surprising muscle of electric vehicles like the Dodge Daytona. John and Pat dig into the facts—resale values, battery life, and real-world performance in cold weather—and remind listeners to drop the politics and drive what they
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All right, it is. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. And we’ve got, of course, Larry Unger answering phones. Charlie Grimes, your engineer. Pat Schneidt joining us from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Good morning, Pat. Hey, good morning, John. Happy to be here. Wind was supposed to blow. It’s a little bit now, but you know what?
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Beautiful day outside.
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Beautiful outside. No traffic either. So enjoy yourselves today. Get outside. Have fun. Now, just as probably a word of caution, there will be some No Kings protest parades and so on. My advice would be traffic-wise and so on, stay as far away from some of those areas as you possibly can because it’ll be nothing more than just huge traffic jams and a nightmare in California. Car-wise, I’ve always been one of those where, yeah, I don’t need to be around anything that might be causing damage, so I’m going to do something different, and that’s what I’ve always done, Pat, is just stay clear of those areas altogether. Oh, that’s exactly right. I’ve got better things to do. Yeah, and the last thing I want to do is be fixing something that I didn’t need to be in the middle of in the first place. That’s right. So, yeah, stay far, far away from this. All right, question of the day. And again, I had a great listener send me a long list of questions of the day, and so I’m taking this one from that list. So thank you, by the way, for these, because it really helps me out immensely. So he said it this way. First car purchased in retirement, and I’m going to add to that, or what will you purchase? In retirement. And now some of you, it might not even be retirement. Some of you, for example, I know for me, and I was telling this to somebody the other day, I didn’t buy my first quote-unquote sports car. I bought a Corvette back in 2012. And keep in mind, my youngest was graduated high school in 2010. So I didn’t have anything along those lines until after the kids were all gone and, for the most part, grown up. And at that point, I had sold my two automotive stores, and I thought, you know what, I’m going to buy a sports car finally. And I did, but I literally had to wait for the kids to leave to be able to do that.
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Well, thank you, first of all, for changing the question because you’re not retired. You’re never going to retire. So that question would never apply to you had you not changed the question. Very true. I’m also like you, lived a very busy early life with children and things get busy. And I did not get into cars until later in life. So my first car, definitely, it’ll be a Chevy. I’ll tell you that. And I go between a 67 Camaro and a square body pickup.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, either one of those are fine. I’m with you, too. Both of those are, and one of those where I still keep looking for some of those and just haven’t found quite the right one.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I had a square body pickup, and it was two-wheel drive, and I wanted a four-wheel drive, so I sold that a few years ago. I haven’t replaced it, but I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Life goes on.
SPEAKER 12 :
At some point, I will. John and Cheyenne, you’re first up today. Go for it, sir.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hey, guys. Pat, you didn’t drive north because the wind is crazy up here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my. Okay. You’re correct. I got in the car and headed straight south.
SPEAKER 12 :
Keep it to yourself, by the way, John.
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Yeah, keep it up there, please. Yes.
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45 plus, and they’ve got the signs up reminding the truckers to be careful.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, that’s really great. No, I didn’t see that at all.
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Well, that’s good because I’m heading south, so I know once I get below the Cheyenne Ridge, I’ll get out of it.
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Awesome. There you go.
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But, John, first car, I inherited it. They took the keys from my aunt. She couldn’t drive it. You know, 68 Dodge Dart four-door. That thing fit six adult men, teenage, you know. That thing was huge with a 225 slant six. I drove that until I went in the Army. Never had a problem with it. I would take another one. If I could find one of those in good condition, especially the two-door, I’d take one of those again in a minute. Because the car just was reliable.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s awesome. Yeah, that’s a great story.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, but everybody laughed at it because it was yellow.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s funny you say that. Yellow is a color that people love or hate, John.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, but… They gave it to me, my family, because I just got my license, and they had to take it away from her because she was running stop signs because she said, I’m old, so I don’t have to stop.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s funny.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, now I have a question on the yellow color because back in the day, I will tell you, I was very, very picky. I wanted black, blue, or red. And now, if I could find a yellow one, you know, yellow is not so bad. The rest of the car is in pretty good shape.
SPEAKER 12 :
I get you. Well, I love one of those today where, you know, my two colors, the one color that I’m just not a big fan of, and it depends. There are certain shades where I’m okay with it, but most of the old colors,
SPEAKER 17 :
cars that were in that dark green color not a big fan of but again if it’s the right car i’m with pat i don’t care what color it is i’d be okay either way i don’t care this old this old dart was yellow with a yellow vinyl roof that was just a little different and yellow interior which six teenage boys or two teenage boys and two teenage girls could trash pretty quick But you know what? That 225 slant six, that was the engine that would not die. If you did your oil changes, I think. And I learned, and I was laughing the other day. I was listening to another show, and a guy was looking for somebody to work on his 60, 58 Chevy and set the timing and the points. And I remember learning how to set the points, set the dwell on the points.
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Yep.
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And I was in my garage, and I still have a Dwell and Tack in my toolbox. Do you think I’ll ever use it again?
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I still have a couple cars with points, so I keep those around just on the safe side. Honestly, if push came to shove and you didn’t have a meter, you still got feeler gauges that you could always use. And if you really had to do it that way, you could.
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Well, and I still have a timing light, too, to set the timing on my 80 Chevy. So on the 80 Chevy, when I changed the heads, just what you were talking about, I soaked with PB Blaster, right, because I had to change the exhaust manifolds. They were cracked. I soaked them with PB Blaster, left them for a day, soaked them again, put a socket with a long breaker bar and just pulled slowly on it And they broke free. I didn’t break one off.
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That’s a great story. Good for you. Yeah, that’s a skill right there.
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Yeah, but, you know, you see people, they use big pipes and they’re trying to, no, no, soak them in a good penetrating oil and go slow, steady pressure.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, you’ll feel it. And the other thing I use, John, I’m going to tell you again why this is the best socket set I’ve ever owned, is my metric, because I didn’t round off any of the nuts either.
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So really quick, John, is it snowing where you are? I’m getting several text messages in that it’s snowing up your area.
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Well, yeah, but it’s not sticking.
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Gotcha.
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Just a little. You know, nothing to write home about.
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That’s a true Wyoming guy right there. He’s like, hey, it’s very, very windy. Never mind the snow. It’s just windy. I don’t care about that. That’s funny.
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For the people who know, I’m just coming up on Carr. That’s the first or the last exit in Colorado, depending which way you’re going.
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Correct.
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And it’s like a little bit. Snow blowing. Nothing. Like I said, nothing to write home about. I already have my snow tires on my 4Runner. So that’s the other thing. Wyoming, Columbus Day, snow tires. There you go. That’s my sign-off because I know after that I can get snow at any time. But it looks like by the time I hit Fort Collins, I’m going to be clear blue skies.
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That’s right. I got to tell you, I almost rode the motorcycle today. And listening to you talk, I’m really glad I didn’t.
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Good idea. Well, you know, I always laugh, but there used to be a meteorologist that was on in Denver that was pretty sharp. He left. But he always talked about it. He goes, all you have to do is look at the differences. No, when you hit that Cheyenne Ridge, the weather’s going to change.
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That’s it.
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So, hey, guys, have a great rest of the day.
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John, you too, as always. Appreciate you very much. And, yeah, for all of you that are texting in, thank you. I didn’t realize that we were getting weather up that area. Because when you look out our window, you don’t see any of that. But the wind is blowing from the northwest a little bit. So, hey, you know what? It’s coming. Let’s just say it that way. Phillip, go ahead.
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Yes. Hi, this is Philip from Cheyenne. Hey, Philip. Welcome. Hi. I am considering buying a new car for my wife. Okay. She currently has a Sequoia Toyota, and she really likes it, so I’ll probably buy another Sequoia.
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Okay.
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But I am tired of driving and getting 12 miles to a gallon, and those hybrid cars get Pretty good mileage.
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They do.
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But the question I have is, you know, I know if I buy a new Toyota now, I can get 200,000 or 300,000 miles out of that car. Can I get that kind of mileage out of a hybrid? Yes.
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All day long.
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Yes. Okay. And does a hybrid have a keep its resale value?
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On the Toyotas, yes, they do.
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Yes. Okay. And, and, you know, I travel a lot of my business. So I rent cars quite often. And the hybrid cars that I rent. They show on the dashboard, okay, the electric motor is driving the car now, and then the gas motor goes back and forth. So there has to be a device in that car that monitors that. And I expect that device could be pretty complicated and expensive if it needs to be replaced.
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It’s just a computer. So the computer on that car, like every other car that’s computerized, is taking all sorts of different readings. It’s determining when does the vehicle need to be running off electric, when does it need to be running off of the engine, when does it need the combination of. For example, hard acceleration is using both. It’s going to use electric and the engine. Light acceleration might only be using the electric portion, depending upon how full the battery is. Again, it’s going to vary depending upon the conditions, and the computer is monitoring all of that, Phillip.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s great. You know, John, I really depend on you guys for that kind of advice, and so thank you for that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you probably already know this, but for those maybe that don’t listening, we’ve test-driven some of the Sequoia, the I-Force Max, which is the twin-turbo V6 hybrid car. That’s a 22 or so mile-to-the-gallon vehicle, which is upping that one probably from the 13, 14 miles-to-the-gallon range fill up on a Sequoia, so a huge improvement. Yep.
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It sure is. I mean, the hybrid cars that I rent, man, they get some great mileage.
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Oh, they do. And as a side note, and not to play down any of the other manufacturers that may be doing the hybrid thing, Phillip, Toyota’s really – they have cornered the market on that. They’ve been doing it the longest. It’s – It’s an art, I guess you could say, in how they’ve done that. They’ve really, in my opinion, got the technology far and above what anybody else is doing on the hybrid end of things. And I know there’s others that are out there that are doing similar things. But Toyota is the king in the hybrid end of things, literally, which is where I go back to talking about the resale value. Reason why you’re not going to have any trouble on the resale side because of what I just said.
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Great. That’s fantastic, guys. I really appreciate the input.
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You’re very welcome, Phillip. Absolutely. Not a problem at all. Enjoy doing it. Okay. All right. Let us know what you end up buying here down the road. Jerry and Greeley, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. A couple lines open. Myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Morning, gentlemen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 05 :
For tire pressure monitoring sensors, I was wondering if you had an opinion about OEM versus universal or generic aftermarket.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ll let Pat answer this one. I’m guessing this is going to come down to vehicle per vehicle and probably even sensor to sensor.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I think that’s true. And we would generally recommend OEM just because it’s a little bit of a piece of work to get in there and do it. And if you put in one that’s not as good, you’re going to have to do it twice. And why take the risk?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Would a person be able to get OEM at NAPA?
SPEAKER 12 :
No. OEM has to be OEM. But again, Jerry, like I’ve said before many, many times, the OEM doesn’t make their own sensor. So if you buy, and usually you can go figure this out through AI and other things now, which we didn’t have years ago, you can determine who the OEM supplier is and buy that same part in the aftermarket.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that’s true. I mean, you can go up to a dealership, to the parts counter, and buy them over the counter. The answer that I don’t know is if you go to a tire store, like a discount tire or a local independent tire store, I don’t know what they’ll have in stock.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t either. I’m guessing not the same quality you’re buying from NAPA. That’s probably true. That’s my guess on that one, Jerry.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m guessing that, and this is me, and I’m like Pat, I don’t know this for positive, and if there’s a tire store person that wants to anonymously even send this in to me on the text line or whatever, please do so. I’m guessing, Jerry, most of them are using universal type applications unless it’s something that’s specifically needed for a specific car, but I’m guessing most of the tire stores are going to carry universal type sensors.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Just because it’s the easiest thing for them to do and the cheapest thing to do for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Sure. Okay. Well, I appreciate the advice.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, very, very welcome, Jerry. I appreciate that. Yeah, and Pat’s right. And on some vehicles, too. This isn’t true with every vehicle, but with some vehicles, that TPMS is really integrated into a lot of other things that can really throw things off if you’re not dialed in there. Is that the right way to say that, Pat?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it is. Cars are very computer-connected today, and communication from sensor to ABS module to ECM is a thing. And if you’re just not right, it’s not right, and the light will stay on, and you’ll be frustrated.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, yep. So, yeah, and that’s something where don’t cheap out on the sensor. That’s right. Eric, you’re next.
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Yes, John. How are you this morning? Good, Eric.
SPEAKER 12 :
How are you this morning?
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I’m doing well. I’m actually going to get out and do some outside work at the Calhoun property before the wind gets here.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nice.
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But, you know, I heard Philip asking about the hybrids. Nice. Yes. And, you know, I have the two Highlanders that are hybrids.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
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One’s over 300,000. The other one’s just under 300,000. Battery packs, when I put the monitor on them, are still looking good. Nice. And the other week when I went up to Silverthorne, had no power problems getting up into the mountains. Coming back down, I went up over Kenosha Pass and went up Crow Hill. No problems with power issues as far as having each four mountains if he has mountain travel. But, yeah, if he’s still listening, I highly recommend the Toyota Hybrids. Excellent. So that’s all I wanted to know.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s that’s that’s a great testament. And I appreciate you calling, Eric, because I think some people get really fearful over the whole, you know, hybrid thing. They’ve got batteries and people hear the horror stories and this, that and the other. And I’ll be I’ll be straight up honest. And Pat can attest this as well. Most of them are like one-off horror stories. They keep getting passed down. That’s right. You know, it’s sort of like in the old days when unleaded fuel came and leaded fuel went away. You know, the valve seats will all get pounded out and this fuel is no good and it’ll never last. And I can tell you, Eric, in my entire lifetime of working on vehicles and being around that era when that switch started to happen, I don’t think I ever saw one single engine with pounded out valve seats again. It was one of those things where everybody talked about it, but you never saw one. People are resistant to change, that’s for sure. So I think a lot of this hybrid battery thing is similar to that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I directly had somebody ask me one day when we were talking at the gas station, and he’s like, well, I’m afraid the hybrid won’t have the power to get up in the mountain.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, they’re more powerful. No problem there.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s why I added that in. No, this thing… soars right up, whether you’re going up by 70 or coming back up over Crow Hill on 285. It’s got the power. Some pretty good high-elevation pulls.
SPEAKER 12 :
They work great. Well, and to your point, for those listening, the reason for that is while we lose some power because of our elevation on the gas engine sides of things, the battery side of it, Eric, as you know, is kicking back in, and the loss doesn’t seem as much is the best way to say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I’ve usually seen that, you know, he was talking about seeing when it’s using the motor versus the engine. Um, I’ve watched that going up in, you know, 65, 70, I’ll see the, that motor kick in and, and it’s like, okay, even at these speeds, that motor’s doing its job in assisting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Uh, yes. Yes. Um, But yeah, I just wanted to chime in.
SPEAKER 12 :
You hear Richard and I, as we review some of these cars, talk about, Eric, that for those that want kind of that best of both worlds, they still want a gas engine because they’ve got range anxiety or whatever the case might be. So they get range anxiety, so they don’t want to necessarily buy an EV. On the same token, they like the fuel economy, power, the things that you and I are talking about. The best of both worlds is go pick a good hybrid and You know, the biggest thing in the hybrids for everybody listening is Do the comparison from the hybrid version to, in some cases, the non. Now, in some cases, there is no comparison because you’re going to get a hybrid. That’s all you’re going to get. That’s all they offer, and that’s all that’s there. On the same token, some of them, Eric, as you know, you’ve got a choice of like a Camry, for example. You can buy a hybrid or a non-hybrid, and you might notice there’s a difference in, for example, the trunk space of the hybrid version versus the non-hybrid. So just do your checking. Make sure everything is all as you need it when it’s all said and done because there are some trade-offs in some of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Actually, just yesterday, you know, I think I told you that we’re cleaning out my mom’s house in Littleton because she went into memory care. And yesterday I was up there. I slid a big six foot tall, almost four foot wide, two and a half foot deep cedar wardrobe. right into the back of my Highlander. No problem. Got about three inches clearance on the side. Still have plenty of room to the roof. There’s plenty of carrying capacity. Now, obviously, it’s not like a minivan or a full-size van or something, but I get a lot of stuff into this car that you wouldn’t necessarily think could be done. That’s awesome. You know you’re losing some to that battery pack usage, but that’s under the passenger seat anyway.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, thank you for saying that, because, yeah, for all of you listening, they don’t all equal. where they put the battery packs in some cases you might lose some floor uh depth in other words the floor might be a little bit higher in some cases they might put the battery right in the you know behind the back seat in front of the trunk space i mean every vehicle eric and by the way over the years this has changed it’s not always the same from you know model year to model year they might make a big upgrade and change where that battery is positioned so It’s one of those things where you really need to go look at the vehicle. Don’t just look at a listing or something like that. Go physically look at the vehicle and make sure it meets the specs you need. yeah yeah nuts i’ve been perfectly happy with these uh hybrid hybrid highlanders um they’re great car yep they are yeah they are yeah i mean i mean toyota in general and i’ll say this across the board you can go from a prius to the sequoia being the largest so really going smallest to largest and there’s not a one of them in there eric that i wouldn’t own no yeah no i’ve
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve been Toyota pretty much. I mean, my, my first car was the Opel Manta.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh yeah. That’s what I learned to work on when I was a kid.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And then after that, I’ve, I’ve had Toyota, um, pretty much. That’s the only thing I’ve bought. Good for you. We do have a Honda CRV and then my wife just bought it. Good car too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nothing wrong with that car at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. My wife bought her Tesla. She came up to the mountains, uh, Didn’t have to do any recharge. Got back to the city just fine. Its range is good. So, you know, it’s just what is going to work for that individual, like you keep saying. I do a lot of high blade, as I’ve discussed before. But I still find those places where I can let off the accelerator, you know, coming off of Monument down into the Springs. I can let off that accelerator and let the regenerative thing work on the battery coming down that hill. It’s steep enough.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
There’s other things, like right now I’m at the Calhan, and if I go into work, there’s pretty good hills even heading into the springs, and I just let off, let it do the regenerative thing, and I still get the advantages of the hybrid. just not as much as if I was driving city. Yep.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. You’re again, for a lot of you listening, and this is something where I wish, and I mean this sincerely wish our side, which I understand the whole Evie, even the hybrid thing and the push from the political end of things and so on. But again, If you take all the politics out and you just look at what the vehicles are and what they do and how they function and the benefits of, Eric, and I wish more of our side would look at things that way, taking all of the politics out. Because if you do, you soon start realizing that, oh, okay, yeah, you know what? I might actually be better off with one of these than what I’m driving right now. But there’s a lot of people that won’t do that, Eric. They won’t take the politics out of it, unfortunately. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Unfortunately, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have to admit, I’ve not been because of how the politics and how EVs were forced upon us. Yep. I’ve been kind of that. No, I’m not getting one type thing. Yeah. Not that I’m against the technology. I’m against the way they did it. That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I fully, you know, believe me, I’m with you guys on all of you that are on that side. I am with you. I fully get that sides of things. I, you know, again, because I’m a car guy and I always look at the car first and all of the political end of things second. And I’ve just learned through the years that, you know, don’t knock it till you try it sort of a thing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, and I’ve got one friend. He’s got advanced prostate cancer. He’s getting weaker, doesn’t want to deal with clutch anymore, things like that. He bought his EV, and it’s got the one-pedal control. Oh, it’s so nice. He loves it. I love it, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is so nice. Once you learn to drive that way, you get in the next car, and it’s like, this sucks. Literally. I’m serious.
SPEAKER 17 :
I’ll take your word for it.
SPEAKER 12 :
The one-pedal driving is so wonderful. It’s just like, oh, this is a dream.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. No, he loves it. And like I said, with his Keenster the way it is.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I can see that.
SPEAKER 07 :
He just likes that better than he did his standard vehicle.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no, I fully get it. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, I’m sure you’ve got other people waiting. You all have a great weekend. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, Derek, appreciate you very much. Thanks for calling in. Mike got an EV car question as well. Hang tight. We’ll come right back and answer that. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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And we’re back. Myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Two locations, by the way, to serve you. Go right to drive-radio.com and you can find him there. Mike and Littleton, you are next.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, I recently got an electric car. I had never planned to get one, but they were making such good deals in anticipation of the rebates going away. Correct, right. And locked in on one. I got a 2025 Dodge Daytona. Don’t start your Daytona. I got the state one, which is only 496 horsepower as compared to the 670 horsepower state.
SPEAKER 12 :
And it’s still fast as it is. Oh, my God.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s spooky fast. Yes. And it’s all kind of fast. I’ve been a racer since 1961, and I know what fast cars feel like.
SPEAKER 12 :
just a whole difference they are i thank you for saying that mike and if you’ve never driven one and by the way mike it’s it’s true i mean especially on that car because it’s really fast but it’s really true kind of across the board i mean there’s some really small evs that might not be quite as fast as what you’re talking about but i will tell you this from zero to 40 they’re all fast
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and plus it pulls forever because it never shifts and drops. That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re 100% correct. It feels quick enough off the line, but where it really pulls is in the mid-range. You stick your foot in it at 35 and you’re looking at 80 pretty quick. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re right. Again, people that have never driven one that hear us talk about it. And again, if you take the politics out of it and look at what the car actually is and does, if you really like driving, you know, quick cars, I guess that’s about not fast cars, but quick cars are probably a better way to say because you only drive so fast anyways, Mike, as you know, with our highways and speed limits and so on. But if you want a really quick, functional car, there’s nothing that beats an EV.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. And plus, this thing is a great driving car. They quit making them because they weren’t popular at all. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
They didn’t sell. They didn’t sell. Which, again, you know, was that a marketing thing? Was that, you know, the fact that they were forced on people through, you know, the whole EV thing? I mean, you hear me talk about this a lot. Had EVs been brought to market like every other capitalistic good typically is like, smartphones, for example, Mike, I think you’d see a whole different approach to EVs today. This is where government screws things up. They get involved in things and they force things on people. And when you do, it never works out well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, plus the manufacturers never tried to sell the car. Correct. They didn’t have to. What’s promoted was the rebate. That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s all they promoted. That’s right. You’re right. Even to this day, nobody on the EV end of things, as far as the manufacturers are concerned, have done comparable, you know, here’s our EV to their EV, and here’s what we do different. Because of the way things were pushed upon the public, they got lazy. They never had to do that. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
It shouldn’t have went like that. No, they didn’t. And, of course, they wound up with problems because of it. That’s right. It looks like the car is going to be brought back out with a gas engine. But at this point, I’ve got it. And I got it. I won’t say it was free. Darn near. But pretty close.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I have a client of mine that bought one, Mike, for the very reason we went through that conversation. And he was like, should I buy it? Should I? And I’m like, you know, for what we can gain out of it on the, you know, advertising wise and the fact that you can do some EV service and so on for the price. Yeah, we can’t buy any better marketing. Hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
I took their low mileage lease. I didn’t need the car. I got it as an extra car. Yep, that’s what he did, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Perfect. No, that’s exactly what he did, and we had that same discussion, Mike. And at the end of the day, it’s a really fun car to own and drive. And I get it. You, I, he, you know, we’re probably a little different than most. Most people can only afford, you know, one car, and that’s what they need to go to and from. But there’s a lot of people.
SPEAKER 06 :
that can afford a couple of cars and if you can and what you just did congratulations you made a great choice that’s smart well i have five five cars so i don’t need to drive this in the winter i i got this car for i saw i i saw the ad on tv and i went to the dealer the next morning because i didn’t believe the ad and it was zero down 69 a month for the low mileage lease yep wow i had I had to pay the dealer handling. I had to pay the use tax. Right. And, of course, you have plates and insurance that you have on anything. And, by the way, the insurance is a bit high on electric cars.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re a little bit higher. You are correct. I have noted that on not only this show but my daily show as well. It’s one of those things where if you’re thinking about doing it, talk to your broker, your agent, whatever. Find out what the differences are going to be. Typically, they are going to be different. a little bit higher although you know your comparison in i don’t know if you’ve done the math but i’ve done it typically your cost of electricity versus fuel depending upon the car the mileage and so on but it’s typically about a third of the cost sometimes a quarter of the cost depending upon the vehicle but it’s at least a third of the cost of what you would with gasoline well they gave me a 600 charging credit also there you go wow
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s with ChargePoint. The question I, and by the way, my insurance is with Paul Leuenberger, who I met because of your show, and I have other cars with him. What am I looking at in the winter? First of all, let me give you my background. I don’t have a level one charging point for the car. You mean level two? Yeah. It’s going to be outside.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so it came with probably a level one, which is plugging into 120. You mean a level two, the 240 volt?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we downsized out of our house. I’m going to be 82 years old in January.
SPEAKER 12 :
You don’t sound it, Mike. No.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t feel like it. No, you don’t sound it at all.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s the fast cars to keep you young. Yeah, good for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we sold our house and became renters and love every minute except one day a month when we pay the rent. Gotcha. But besides that, What kind of problems am I looking at in the winter? I realize that using the heater will definitely suck the battery down.
SPEAKER 12 :
All in all, and as you know, I’ve driven EVs since 2020. And I’m like you. I’ve got other cars to drive, so it’s not just EVs. But my main mode is typically an EV. In fact, I’ll give a story on that here in a minute as to what I just did of late. At the end of the day, though, I don’t worry about that. You’re going to notice some range drop with the colder weather, but, Mike, I don’t function any differently, whether it’s hot, cold, whatever. I mean, for me, typically, and I drive probably more than most, I’m a 75-, 80-mile round tripper, and every single EV on the market, for the most part, maybe with the exception of some of those short-range Leafs, but every other EV, even in the wintertime, will give me that range no problem all day long.
SPEAKER 06 :
I have two friends that got Leafs for $300 down and $20 a month. You know, this thing has paddles for regeneration. Yes. And they work great. In fact, I find myself looking for them on my other cars.
SPEAKER 12 :
Does that car, because I’m not familiar enough with yours, does it have the one-pedal driving?
SPEAKER 06 :
It doesn’t have it per se, but if you use the paddles, you do. You only have to touch the brake at the last mile per hour to come to a dead stop.
SPEAKER 12 :
So given that, you might look through all of your screen settings and so on and see if there’s a one-pedal driving, because if that’s the case, you never touch the brake ever.
SPEAKER 06 :
I rarely do anyway. And the regeneration is phenomenal. I drive once a month from down near the Red Rocks area up to the northern part of Arvada around 80th, and I can gain four miles of range.
SPEAKER 12 :
So you can, instead of you having to use your paddle and so on, there is a setting that will allow you one pedal driving where you don’t even have to use the paddles.
SPEAKER 06 :
One question I have is that it’s kind of interesting because it has a range, and at 80%, I’m showing about 210 miles of range. And then on the other side of the display, it has the percentage. Correct. And I don’t let it go ever much below 50%, and I only charge it to 80%. But when I’m doing my regeneration, my range miles go up, but my percentage of battery capacity goes up.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, because what they’re looking at is your percentage isn’t going to change a whole lot. What it’s looking at is because you’re regenerating and not necessarily using as much of the battery, that’s extending your range, but your percentage isn’t going to change a whole lot.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, one of the coolest things about this car, I don’t know if you ever heard one, but they’ve really got the sound effects right.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ve not heard one. A friend of mine that bought one, one of my clients, you need to listen to his. I haven’t done that yet. I saw one at SEMA that was in the prototype end of things, but I’ve not seen one since.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, that’s what I’ve seen, too. So does it sound loud, or can you hear the sound outside the car or just inside the cabin?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, outside the car.
SPEAKER 03 :
Outside.
SPEAKER 06 :
It sounds like you’re starting up a big block muscle car when you do it, and it’s very realistic going down the road, especially in sport mode.
SPEAKER 12 :
I saw a video where a guy actually got a sound ticket for one of those, and the guy’s like, this is how the car is made.
SPEAKER 06 :
People say to me in my complex here, gee, that thing sounds great. That’s hilarious. I’m not looking at any problems because my car has got to sit outside. Okay. And the cold weather, it’s not going to hurt it, is it?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, not at all. Not going to bother a thing. In fact, they’re more fun to drive in the cold weather because it warms up so much faster than a gasoline-powered car. That’s the other nice thing about EVs is it’s almost like instant heat, Mike.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, I know the EC is that way, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, you’re right. Good job. Let us know how things go. Keep giving us updates, but that’s awesome. Good for you. It’s a good story.
SPEAKER 06 :
They only made 2,400 of these things.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. Enjoy it, Mike. Have fun.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, man. Appreciate you very much. Great update. No, thank you very much. We’ll come right back. We’ll take more calls, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. And just as a side note, Pat and I were just talking when it comes to EVs. Yeah, there are still maintenance things needed when it comes to EVs. They are not like, again, the political sides of things made it sound like you’d buy it, drive it, never do anything to it. There’s no such thing. It’s a mechanical device. There’s still going to be things that are needed. If you curb check something, are you going to have some suspension issues? Potentially you will. Are you going to do tires? Yes, because of the regenerative braking and the weight alone, you’re going to go through more tires typically eventually. there are some fluids that need to be changed it’s not fluid free there’s cooling for example when it comes to the batteries and such there’s even some drive components depending upon the ev that may need some oil change things done now are you doing oil changes every 4 000 miles like a regular gas engine no you are not but what you save on that you’re going to make up in the tire and tire wear and part of the tire wear by the way isn’t just the weight of the vehicle It’s because they’re fun to drive. And so your foot’s typically in it and you’re having fun driving it and not crazy, anything like that, but just the quickness of it. Yes, when you’re on the pedal more and you’re doing faster acceleration, even from zero to 40, yes, that’s going to wear tires faster than what a typical ICE engine vehicle, ICE being internal combustion engine. Yes, typically you’re going to have more wear on the tires because of that, Pat.
SPEAKER 03 :
100%. And I know this is radio, and the audience can’t see me over here smiling ear to ear. But what you just said, because they’re fun to drive. Hey, life is short. You should drive what is fun to drive.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And for me, it’s – and I appreciate you saying that, Pat. For me, a lot of this comes down to, like Mike, our last caller. You know, if you’ve got – in some cases, some of you have – I know some of you because you text me some of the cars and things you have. You’ve got one, two, three, five, whatever cars. I mean – Yeah, if you’re not going from here to the California coast, could you do that in an EV? Yeah. Would I? No. I’ve got other vehicles that you can hop in. But frankly, I’m at that age of life now where… I’m not driving to the coast anyways. If I want to go to the coast, I’m flying. And if I want to do something else, I’ll rent a car. I’m different today. I mean, a lot of you out there listening, you love road trips and so on. That’s not me. I’ll do a road trip on a have-to basis, not on a want-to basis.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I might do a five-hour trip to the Black Hills or something like that. That’s different. Yeah, but I’m not going to Boston.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I’m not driving to the East Coast. In fact, I’m not even driving to Texas. I mean, probably the farthest I would drive might be Arizona. I mean, other than that, I’m not driving anywhere. I’m flying. And even in that case, you can fly faster than driving. And to me, you know, in my stage of life, time is money. And, you know, that’s valuable. And I got better things to do to sit behind a windshield. Do that every day as it is. Yep. Yep. Totally agree. So my point, and I think Pat just said it well a moment ago, drive what you want. what you like and for some of you you know the car is a tool a to B a to B okay I get that and that’s fine you know nothing against you guys that’s you and that’s what you like then that’s fine on the same token some of you like driving and you like different types of cars and you like the performance sides of things and some of you have really exotic performance cars some of you have not so exotic performance cars like you know Mazda Miata is because they’re fun to drive and the top comes down and all of that some of you have old classics and so on bottom line drive what you like and Yep. And quit worrying about the politics of all of this is my point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, exactly. Not politics. Drive what you like, what makes you smile, and then just maintain it and life gets better.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. So at the end of the day, I can’t say that enough. Drive what you like. And to Mike’s point, yeah, there has been, although most of those have gone away, there have been some really good deals on some of the EV end of things. Now, as a side note. There still are some good EV deals out there. Some of the manufacturers have just flat lowered prices. They’re still in some states, depending upon where you live, some good state credits and rebates when it’s all said and done. And I get it. People that are saying, well, you know, that just means you’re taking money from government. Government has no money, so you’re taking money from taxpayers. Guys, the way I’ve always looked at that, they’re going to blow that money on something anyways. So at the end of the day, if you can benefit from that and it helps you personally when it’s all said and done, it’s no different than a farmer taking a subsidy or you as a business taking depreciation or, or, or, or, or. I mean, we can go down the list of all the different things that are out there that at the end of the day help taxpayers when it’s all said and done. And you know what? If there’s a tax credit and it’s there and it’s available for you to take and It’s going to go to you or somebody else. So at the end of the day, if it needs to be you, then make it you. That’s my view. I talk about that during the day on the other program as well. Is it right, wrong, or otherwise? It doesn’t matter. It’s there. So at the end of the day, you do whatever you need to do for you. And I like what Pat’s point was a moment ago. You drive what you want to drive at the end of the day. We as a show have never, you know, forced or gone a particular way when it comes to certain vehicles. If it works for you in your life, you know what? Knock your socks off. Have fun. Yep, absolutely agree with that. I’m never going to tell you what to drive or not drive. Every one of you out there listening has different needs and does different things and go for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I remember a good friend of mine, Paul, when I was working at a consumer electronics company up in Greeley, he went out and bought a motorcycle. And he drove like six or seven motorcycles. And at the end of the day, he bought a pretty zippy Triumph Triple. And his wife said, you know, bright yellow. And he’s like, Paul’s an older gentleman. And his wife, when he got home, says, why did you buy that one? And his son was in the room and says, I know why Dad bought that one, Mom. That’s the one that makes him smile from ear to ear when he cracks the throttle.
SPEAKER 12 :
And again, everybody’s got a little different want. And I’ve always said this. We live in America. Do you buy things because you need it? No. Rarely. Normally, you buy something because you want it. I mean, yeah, we need a toothbrush and toothpaste and soap and some of those sorts of things, and that’s a different need, okay? But when it comes to cars, does anybody need a new car? No, you can drive a used car just fine and get by and go A to B and all of that and not have any issues, but is that what you want? If you want a new car, then go buy a new car. Again, I’ve never criticized, Pat, anybody ever for doing some of those things. If you want to go buy it and you can afford it, go buy it. Well, that’s just it.
SPEAKER 03 :
A lot of people save money in retirement. And you know what? One thing I can tell you for sure, you’re not taking it with you. No, you’re not. You need to enjoy it while you’re here. And a lesson that I learned from my father was it’s amazing how well you can justify anything once you decide what you want.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, one last thing before we close out this hour. Somebody asked me on the text line, did I hear about Toyota launching their new luxury brand above Lexus? Yes, I did. I’ve mixed emotions on that. Not sure exactly how that’s going to work out for them. They’re going to try to compete with the Rolls Royces and Bentleys of the world. Again, not being critical. Time will tell whether that’s a good thing for them to do or not. I was going to mention that, so thank you for texting me on the reminder. I had that in my notes anyways. All right, we’re going to close out this first hour. We’ve got two more hours coming your way. Myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. We’ll be right back with hour number two. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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