Join host John Rush alongside Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House as they delve into pressing political issues affecting today’s healthcare landscape. This episode uncovers unrealistic expectations placed on new political administrations and the systemic inertia that hinders effective policy implementations. The candid discussion touches on the myths propagated by big pharma and the struggles faced by frontline medical professionals advocating for alternative COVID treatments.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining me now. We’re doing our best to get a hold of Steve House as well, but Dr. Kelly, how are you?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m doing great. Thanks for having me, and I can’t believe it’s less than a week until Christmas.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was just going to say, are you all ready?
SPEAKER 16 :
As ready as I’m going to be.
SPEAKER 05 :
Steve House with us as well. Steve, you ready for Christmas?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, I just haven’t gotten the two of you, your president, but everybody else I got.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do both of you have all of your boosters ready so that you’re all dialed in for the family gatherings?
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, my goodness, yes. We’re doubling down on the crazy last week before the families get together.
SPEAKER 05 :
Unbelievable. And for those of you listening, Dr. Kelly Victory has been with us all the way through COVID and beyond. And you can go back and listen to previous episodes if you would like. Some of you I know do because I get comments from some episodes of the past episodes. From time to time, you can find all those at RushToReason.com. And then Steve House, of course, was the one that really put all this together. Steve, you and I have known each other for a very long time, and you were very instrumental in making all of this happen. And we’ve got a lot to talk about today. So, Steve, I appreciate it very much, and thank you for putting this together long ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we do have a lot to talk about. It’s getting worse. I can’t believe it, but it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so, Steve, I’ll let you start. Since you are kind of segwaying into that, let’s just get into it. And you would think by now that we would be long past some of these things, but we are not, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and you know what’s so funny? I mean, there’s a lot of symptoms of the problem. It goes far and wide, but it certainly hits health care hard. You know, the omnibus thing that, you know, Mike Johnson said it wasn’t an omnibus. And, you know, you’ve got the regulatory environment in health care, Pfizer getting praised by people, the PBM issue, you know, the spending issue. It’s just. I it just doesn’t seem I mean, Donald Trump got elected and I’m looking forward to his cabinet being in play and doing things. But my fear is they aren’t going to take big and bold enough steps. They’re just not.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Kelly. No, Dr. Kelly, you’ve got some insight on some of that as well. What do you think?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I agree. I think, unfortunately, there’s been a buildup and people have an unrealistic expectation that when this new administration gets into office, that all of a sudden on day one, all of these things are going to happen. And part of that has been fostered by things that Donald Trump has said or Bobby Kennedy Jr. Every day they say, you know, on day one in office, I’m going to do blank. On day one in office, we’re going to get rid of fluoride. On day one in office, I’m going to… You know, deport all the illegals on day one. We’re going to do X, Y and Z. And the reality is that unfortunately, isn’t the way Washington works, as Steve knows. Well, the wheels turn, but they turn very slowly. So I think they would be better off to say, here are our top five initiatives. This is what we’re going to tackle first. This is our goal to do in the first quarter of year one. And to really lay it out in a way that’s more reasonable and measured, I think managing expectations at this point is critically important. Otherwise, it’s going to appear to be a big fail. When you add on top of that the crazy making that’s going on, and I’m sure we’ll talk about that during the hour, whether it’s Disease X or the drones or bird flu, you know, that is going to be very distracting in a new administration. And they’re doing everything they can, they being the Democrats, to set this new administration up to fail right out of the box.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. And Steve, one of the things in this continuing resolution that I was reading, the second one, by the way, for those of you listening, there was one that really got shot down. Elon Musk, Vivek, others, Donald Trump even said, listen, this is not the direction that we want to head. We’ve got to put our money where our mouth is. And This isn’t going to work, and yet we get the second one today. Yes, it’s better than the one that was prior, Steve, but at the end of the day, we still have the middleman that we talked about last week in regards to how insurance works and the pharmacy end of things and the costs associated and all of that, and we talked about how we could cap some of those things, and they had a chance even in this continued resolution to do so, and yet Steve didn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, I mean, quite frankly, John, it’s one of those scenarios where I almost believe they can’t help themselves. You know, when you talk about putting together a bunch of pork in a bill like this, and then, you know, there’s this theory that, you know, we can’t get it done in time, we can’t do what we need to do because of one reason or the other. Well, the problem is they don’t work very hard from my point of view. I mean, they work 164 days a year, so that’s a problem. And then on top of that, they do not believe they have the ability to take a look at one subject bill have a debate about it, and they don’t have to do a lot of reading when it’s one subject. So Omnibus Bill, 1,500 and some pages, is pretty damn daunting. But until somebody steps up, as far as I’m concerned, Mike Johnson needs to go. Whoever comes next, if they don’t get the fact that this stuff can’t be slammed through in big, giant chunks of crap, then they need to go, too. They need to keep doing that until we find a speaker who gets what needs to be done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Kelly, what are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 16 :
A hundred percent. They need to pass individual things. Every time you try to wrap it all together, it becomes everything. But the kitchen, you know, the kitchen sink sort of thing, nothing gets done. And part of it’s because of the corruption and graft that happened in Washington that people say, oh, I’ll support your project if you support mine. And everybody adds on and adds on and adds on. That’s what pork is. People just keep adding their pet issue into it. And so when you look at something like Obamacare, the amount of stuff that was baked in, that was wrapped into a supposed health care bill, there’s stuff in there that had nothing to do with anything having to do with health care. It had to do with the tree canopy and underserved populations. It was insanity. It’s because they can’t just say, yes, I will review this particular bill on its own merits and decide whether or not I can support it, and then we’ll move on to the next one. We would actually get things done if they didn’t try to shove it through as a big hairball.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Steve, one thing I was thinking of as I was watching Vivecki put out a little video on TikTok about the previous bill, not this one, and all the things that were in it and so on. And what I noticed, and I want to get your opinion on this, Dr. Kelly, as well, but he said, listen, most people won’t read the 1,500 pages, but I did. And here’s all of the things that are in it. He starts spilling those things out. And the first thought I had, Steve, was, number one, and I’m trying to be as nice as I can here, And yes, there are some smart people on Capitol Hill. I’m not saying this universally. But my fear, Steve, is that there’s a lot of those folks elected that I’ll be straight up honest. I’m not sure can read 1,500 pages. And I’m trying to say that as kindly as I can. So now we’ve got aides and others that are actually doing it and feeding that information to the folks that are actually voting on it. Because I’ll be real honest with you, Steve. And you said it a moment ago. They don’t work super hard. And frankly, I don’t think they’re efficient in anything they do. They just happen to get elected.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t want to work that hard, to be honest. I mean, they want to, you know, it’s like, okay, I’m not the speaker, so I don’t have that much to do other than go along, go to committees, ask a few questions, and then run for re-election over and over again. They’re not being held to any standards. There’s no KPIs, right? There’s no key performance indicators for any of them. No, I agree. If there’s no report cards for them, there’s no nothing.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. Dr. Kelly, I mean, I hope I’m not being too hard on some of these folks, but I’ve interviewed some of these people over the years, and And I’ll just say it, Dr. Kelly, some of these folks are just not that bright. They’ve gotten elected. They figured out that part of it in their particular end of the world, and they’ve maybe done OK there. And some of them, by the way, have never held a real job. They just figured out a way to get into politics. And at the end of the day, I’m not to Steve’s point, Dr. Kelly, I don’t think they know how to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I think you’re being kind. The reality is, with few exceptions. to say that they’re not that bright is an understatement. Here’s the reality. We better get our arms around it. The best and the brightest do not go into politics. And there’s a reason, because they’ve got other things to do. They either have jobs in the private sector where they either make more money or they have more influence, and they aren’t willing to give that up to go and move to Washington, D.C., and play that game. So the people who do run for office and ultimately get elected, are people who, frankly, wouldn’t make it in the private sector. They don’t have the work ethic to make it in the private sector. They don’t have the intelligence to make it in the private sector. They really don’t. Do you think AOC would ever make it? What would she have done other than be a bartender?
SPEAKER 05 :
AOC would have a hard time. I’m not exaggerating here, guys. You would probably agree with me on this one. She would have a hard time following me around as an assistant, nonetheless doing the things I do every day.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. And so, you know, granted, there are people like a Rand Paul, who I think is very bright, or a Jim Jordan. There are exceptions to this. But the reality is that in general, you don’t get the best and the brightest. And I will tell you, I actually was approached some years ago to run for a congressional seat. in California, and Kevin McCarthy told me flat out, you need to have a quarter of a million dollars of your own money to put up. We are not supporting you until we’re pretty clear that you can win. We really want you to do this. Well, why in the world would I stop doing what I’m doing in order to play that game? I have a good job. I’ve got a platform. Why in the world would I do that? So the way our government works is it actually sort of – reels in some of the lowest functioners out there who just have enough money to play the game.
SPEAKER 05 :
Steve, you know, you’ve been chair before along these lines, and you know as well as what Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago, it’s designed to really keep folks that are very productive, they’ve done well in their lives. To Kelly’s point a moment ago, they’ve got other things going on, and frankly, to stop doing what they’re doing and go into politics, There’s absolutely no incentive. We’re very lucky to have somebody like a Donald Trump doing what he’s doing because, really, Steve, there’s no incentive to go do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, having run myself and been a donor, I mean, I went through this court case recently on campaign finance laws, and in court I had it disclosed or it was disclosed that I had donated $281,000 to candidates in 10 years and that I had spent $500,000 of my own money on campaigns, my own campaign. So was I fortunate enough to be able to do that? Yes. When I look back, do I wish I had that money back? Yes. But it’s become this scenario where You know, if you don’t have that kind of money that Kelly’s talking about, if you’re not willing to disrupt your life and give your life to it, you have to give your life to it. Because once you’re in there, you’re not making enough money to keep going on the money. You have to do something else.
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No liberal media bias here. This is Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. And there is an entire page dedicated to Dr. Kelly on our website, RushToReason.com. You can go check that out. And again, you guys can go back and listen to some of the previous episodes that we have on file where we’ve done this now for guys going on five years. All right, something I wanted to throw in really quick. Several different things we wanted to chat about. But one of the first things, and I sent you guys… A little article on this this morning, I wanted to get Dr. Kelly, your opinion on this first, and that is the infamous paper that popularized, and this is coming out of science.com or science.org, of course, the unproven COVID-19 treatment that is finally retracted, and they’re talking about hydroxychloroquine and I didn’t read this thing, you know, word for word all the way through. But basically what I see this as is a hit piece against a lot of us that realized there was lots of other things that could have been done for COVID all the way through COVID. And we proved a lot of those things even during that time, Dr. Kelly. And yet now we’ve got science.org coming out conveniently right now, basically saying that was all hooey.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. They keep desperately trying to say that the things like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and steroids and vitamin D were not effective treatments against COVID when, in fact, those of us who actually were treating COVID patients know that they were. There’s we have now I think we’re up to the thousands of papers, not just hundreds, but thousands of papers that that have proven it. The problem is that those papers don’t get published because our journals are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. So unless a study comes to the conclusion that Big Pharma wants it to come to, it won’t have a chance in hell of getting published. So trust me, you know, these these papers that come out now and say, oh, hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work when, in fact, the doctors who actually were treating patients know that it does. And we’ve got many, many studies that, you know, I’m personally tired of trying to defend it. As far as I’m concerned, if you get covid and you don’t want hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or steroids. and you instead want remdesivir, God bless you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, more power to you.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, that’s right. Whatever.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, and I was talking about Dr. Scott, our great sponsor, who, by the way, Dr. Kelly, and you guys maybe not knowing his full story, but he actually lost his job at one of our major hospitals because off-hospital time prescribed hydroxychloroquine to some patients because he knew as well as we did that that was a good help when it came to COVID, and he got canned over that, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, he’s amongst many, many people who did. I had my medical license threatened over and over again, not even for things that I prescribed, but for daring to say it, to say what I’m saying right now on the radio or on television. And so I had to defend myself over and over again in Colorado and in Ohio and in North Carolina, where I have medical licenses, again, because there was such a strong effort to suppress any information getting out there. And this is always driven by big pharma because they had a lot of money to be made, not only in their vaccines. but in their brand new medications like remdesivir, which ended up by itself, by the way, resulting in the deaths of many, many, many people. It caused kidney damage and people died as a result of the remdesivir.
SPEAKER 05 :
Run, death is near. Steve House, your feelings on some of this as well. Again, you’re on more of the admin sides of these things. And isn’t it interesting that we’re now seeing a lot of this stuff come out some, I don’t know, what are we, about 30 days out from Donald Trump taking over?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think it goes a little bit to what I had texted to you guys earlier, and I think you guys get it as well, which is, Think about what we’re doing here. So you take hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, any number of things like that, all antivirals, because you have a virus, so why the hell wouldn’t an antiviral be a good thing to try? But secondly, you have people out there saying in the scientific community that they don’t work. They say that the vaccine does work. And the other side of the coin, they say, for all of you who are on medications, you should be adherent to your medication because your doctor prescribed them for you and you need to trust your doctor. So we’re getting to this point where they’re going, don’t trust your doctor if they tell you to use an antiviral for a virus, but we want you to trust your doctor to take your drugs because we prescribed those drugs for you and those drugs are the best thing that you can take. It’s gotten to the point where historically, John, tell you that When the people who run significant institutions in a country no longer have the trust of the people who are customers of those institutions, things fail. This is classic failure in action because we don’t trust the government. I don’t know about you. I certainly don’t. I don’t even trust it. I don’t trust Johnson, the Speaker. I don’t trust very many of the Republicans who are in Congress. I have a great deal of trust for Donald Trump, but I know what he’s going to run into. And I don’t trust the medical establishment, even though I know lots of great doctors like Kelly, because the system is pushing back on the people who know something. I don’t know how this is ever going to survive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Kelly, I think, Steve, I agree with everything you said, and I would go one step further with that, Kelly, and say that it’s the system even. Granted, the system is there. The people are in the system, so they’re all guilty. But really, it’s the system as much as anything that’s corrupt. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, 100%. Let’s look at the example of the ivermectin during COVID. We had hundreds of people, thousands around the country who were dying of COVID, okay? People who are elderly or had underlying health conditions who are in the hospital, in the ICU, dying of COVID, okay? There was nothing they could do. Their families were told, there’s nothing else we can do. Your family member’s going to die. Family members said, let’s try ivermectin. And the hospitals refused. Now, you’re telling me you’ve said there’s nothing you can do. You’ve said this person’s going to die. What is the problem then with trying ivermectin? What do you have to lose, right? What do you have to lose? And there were court case after court case after court case where even the courts would say to the hospital, if the family wants ivermectin, you must do it. And the hospitals pushed back. Why in the world? Would a hospital push back or defy? And they did many, many times defied a court order. You want to know why? Because they got paid if that patient died. They got money, $40,000 per patient through the CARES Act. You want to talk about did the system participate? Absolutely. And it was based on money. They fought back and defied court orders that said this patient should be allowed, must be allowed to try ivermectin. Their family doctor can come in and give it to them if the hospitalist doesn’t want to. And the hospitals refused to comply because they made money if that person died and COVID could be put on the death certificate. People need to go to prison for this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Amen. Dr. Kelly, thank you for that, Steve. It’s good that we’re recapping this, Steve. I think a lot of people forgot some of the things Dr. Kelly just mentioned.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I know. And frankly, in the latter days, not so much in the very early days, They don’t want you on ivermectin or that type of an antiviral in the hospital because they want you on remdesivir, which is a very expensive drug. Paxlovid, remdesivir are very expensive drugs. If you take an antiviral and you start to recover, because most people recover from COVID now, they’re not going to give you remdesivir. They’re not going to bill for remdesivir. And quite frankly, a lot of them have inventory of it. There’s just no way around the financial equation. Hospitals are in big financial trouble as it is. So And 60% of them have a negative operating income. Sometimes it’s huge numbers. So they’re trying to make money, but they’re making money at the expense of the risk they’re providing to the patient who shouldn’t have these drugs.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Kelly, the next thing, and I didn’t send you guys this because I figured you would have just seen it on your own, but Governor Newsom declaring a state of emergency in California due to bird flu. So it’s like, okay, are we going back to this again? You guys didn’t learn your lesson the last time?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I’m sitting in California today and it’s absolutely preposterous. Yes, Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency, quote, proactively, whatever that means. So we’re proactively declaring an emergency because of the increased number of cases of bird flu in the state of California. Now, let me clarify. These are not cases in people. These are cases in cattle, okay? There has yet to be a human-to-human transmission of a case of bird flu in the entire state. We’ve had a total, I believe, of 38 cases of bird flu in humans, all people who are in direct contact with infected cattle or infected poultry animals, and not one of them has had a symptom more serious than a sniffle or some pinkeye, conjunctivitis. There is a single case in the country, in the state of Louisiana, of somebody who has, quote, serious bird flu symptoms, something other than just sniffles and conjunctivitis. One case in Louisiana. And on the basis of these findings, Gavin Newsom has decided that we need to proactively go into a state of emergency. This is nothing more than, again, trying to garner control, trying to be able to manipulate people’s behavior. And I believe they’re going to create as much chaos as possible. Add in drones, add in, you know, whatever next disease X. I can go down the list. They’re going to create as much havoc as possible going into January. And unfortunately, this bird flu issue is a problem because they will use it to unnecessarily kill off, cull millions of poultry birds and thousands and thousands of cattle. And as a result, wait for it. What do you think is going to happen to the price of eggs and beef going into February? And they could say, look, Donald Trump’s in office. and groceries are higher than ever.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. Steve, I can’t disagree with anything Dr. Kelly is saying. I believe that is spot on exactly what they’re trying to do. Question I have for you, and you know more of the inside politics of all of this, does Donald Trump have the wherewithal and the folks around him to defeat this nonsense?
SPEAKER 04 :
Certainly some of it. I mean, it’s amazing how many people ask me the question about Like the omnibus bill, can’t he just come into office and say no and write an executive order? Well, he can do rescission. Rescission does exist for certain aspects of a bill like that. He has a high level of power. He can also write executive orders, but he’s up against court judgment and decision-making, those type of things. So can he solve all these problems that are being created for him? Probably not. But he sure can make people look stupid. Because, you know, when he takes actions and things work versus what Gavin Newsom – I mean, Gavin Newsom might be doing it because once you call it a crisis, then you’re eligible for federal funds, no doubt. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And so – And other control that the governor has he wouldn’t have otherwise, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. So, you know, there’s that play going. I think the other thing that’s happening here is that they’re watching him be received by global leadership. And they’re freaking out because – everyone on the global stage is making Trump look like he’s the king of the world.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, basically, he’s running the country right now, even though he hasn’t been inaugurated. That’s what’s happening as we speak.
SPEAKER 04 :
but it’s more than just running the country they know that he has not only did he have perceived power not only did he have position power because he was elected but this guy got real power so people will absolutely compromise because they know that he will go down a path and he and they will get what he told them they’re going to get and i think that that’s going to scare the elite so much because they don’t want to deal with them and frankly you can’t hide stuff around the guy he’s pretty good and then you get to two pit bulls in the vacant Elon, who are not going to let anybody hide anything either. They will be as outgoing as Donald Trump is on waste and fraud and abuse. It’s going to be an interesting time. Hopefully everyone will survive it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s where I’m not as concerned with this second bill that’s going through. There’s some pork in it, but you get him elected and you start that train, if you would, moving forward down the track. And these guys start getting in and analyzing all sorts of things. You could easily have additional bills come through and say, all right, guys, number one, we’re going to have a budget. Number two, we’re going to go back and fix some of these things that you guys passed in that CR bill. And we’re going to get some things taken care of. And frankly, I think that’s exactly how these two are looking at it. They didn’t like what was there prior because it was way too much, way too much pork when it was all said and done. This next one has some, but not near as much as the one that was there just a day or two ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
The question is, why does it have any?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. Don’t get me started.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s no excuse. I mean, you’re not going to get to where we need to go if it’s got any.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. I agree. Dr. Kelly, a question came in, and this coincides with some of what we can even talk about when it comes to Trump, because he has talked about going to one – You know, time standard across the country moving forward, whether that be standard time or whether that be daylight saving time. And he hasn’t taken a position one way or the other. I, frankly, am all for going to one or the other. I’m sick of the different changes that we do. I like daylight saving time, of course, because of my schedule and other things. And I had somebody ask that there’s some studies out there talking about, because one thing you always hear is if you stay on daylight saving time and it’s really dark a little bit later in the mornings in the winter, that that really affects kids at the bus stop and so on. On the same token, there’s studies out there talking about kids should be starting school later anyways. And somebody asked if you knew anything about that study.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t know anything about that study, but number one, I am a huge proponent of going to one time zone. This is absolute insanity. It was done initially for that reason, saying that because it’s dark in the morning and kids shouldn’t be standing alone in the dark waiting for the school bus. The reality is that that is not happening with most kids anyway. It simply is an outdated issue. You do far more damage to people’s circadian rhythms by messing around with the time clocks and doing this twice a year, and it messes up everybody who actually has a job and is trying to keep track of their work schedule when the time changes. Then you add into the fact that other places, certain places in Hawaii, for example, don’t change the time, and it’s just way too confusing. I think if it ends up being a problem, the answer is, as you said, is to start the school day at 830 instead of 730, you know, push it back by an hour and go later in the day. There are lots of ways to fix it. But changing the clock back and forth based on where the sun is on the horizon makes absolutely zero sense.
SPEAKER 05 :
Steve, on the expense side, I think the other thing that Donald Trump is looking at is for a lot of different industries, the expense of changing twice a year is quite expensive as well. And even lost productivity and other things that you can throw in that probably aren’t tracked as great as it is actual factual costs that you can actually track. And I don’t know what that magic number is, Steve, but I’ve got to believe that there’s a cost savings for the country and going to one as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I’m sure that it’s a big number, John. I mean, everything costs millions or billions. I wonder sometimes about when you think about the total U.S. economy and the trillions of dollars of GDP, you take out one three hundred and sixty fifth of that or one hour of one three hundred and sixty fifth of that. It’s going to have a big effect because when you lose an hour, when you go forward and lose an hour, you know, an hour loss is an hour loss. I mean, it’s part of the financial thing. And I don’t I don’t particularly care for it either. I actually think we should eliminate time zones. as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
And just go to, everybody figures out where they’re at on the GMT scale and call it good.
SPEAKER 04 :
Bring the East back an hour and a half, the West forward an hour and a half, and in the middle, everybody’s on that same number. I mean, there have been people who wanted to do that long ago. Because that way, you know, the country’s all operating at the same time, which means people who work the East Coast aren’t waiting until, you know, 8 or 9 o’clock at night to finish their business on the West Coast.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, as a radio show, trust me, I would be all for that, Steve. Because the other thing that’s a real problem that most people don’t think about, and those of you that live in it don’t think about it, but the mountain time zone for most people in the country is unknown. They think in three time zones. They think we have Western time, you know, out in California. They think we have the middle of the country, Central time, and then Eastern time. Everybody forgets. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, frankly, I lost my circadian rhythm at my senior prom when I tried to dance.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’ve never recovered it. All right.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Myself, Dr. Kelly Victory, and Steve House, which for those of you listening, because of the holidays and everything else going on, this will be our last episode, our last show with them for 2024. We’ll be back in 2025, of course. We’ve had a lot of fun, and we’ll keep this going. Dr. Kelly, in your state, and this one I just – I don’t – I shouldn’t say that I’m surprised because I’m not, but we now have San Francisco’s health department hiring a fat positivity expert to weigh in on things to make sure that people are not labeled incorrectly and that we’re doing things right when it comes to people that are extremely overweight, obese, and so on.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, because God forbid we should actually be honest with people about their lousy lifestyle choices or the things that they are doing that are undermining their their overall health and wellness because everyone has to feel good about their decisions rather than take personal responsibility. This is absolute insanity. The reality is I’m not making fun of people who have weight issues. I’m not making fun of people who have drug addiction issues or any other problem. that is causing them to have ill health. But the reality is we know darn well that obesity leads to a multitude of medical problems, not the least of which is certainly hypertension, renal disease, diabetes, arthritis, Lots of problems. And the idea that you are going to make people feel OK about that is ridiculous. We should say to people, you should feel good enough about yourself to know that you can change and fix this problem, but identify that it is a problem. We cannot allow people to believe that it is healthy to remain obese.
SPEAKER 05 :
I also will say this as somebody that for a lot of years was overweight, and trust me, I knew I was, and what I’m going to go with here, Dr. Kelly, is that I would highly, highly doubt that there is anybody out there that’s overweight that, number one, knows that they need to take some weight off. They know, and I know, they struggle with that because certain types of people and DNA and so on, you struggle differently with different things, and I understand that as well. My point, Dr. Kelly, is… I don’t think that these people want excuses made for them either. They want somebody to come along and really help them with how do I live a more healthy lifestyle? What do I need to do to make that happen? I highly, highly doubt that there’s anybody out there that’s overweight that A, knows that they need, they all know they need to lose weight is my point. And I think that when these sorts of things come along, they just look at that and think, I’m just being lied to again and again and again, and I’m being played.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. The same way that there’s nobody out there who’s poor, you know, who actually wants to be poor. They may ridicule the ultra-rich, but they would love to be that. I don’t think there’s anybody out there who’s overweight who wouldn’t like to be normal weight. Look, for example, at what happened with Lizzo. She came out and said how it was exactly how she wanted to be. She loved being fat. It was healthy. It was beautiful. And Social media came down on her. And lo and behold, interestingly, she has now lost over 100 pounds. Wow. She has totally changed her appearance. Good for her is right. She has just saved her own life. Her health, her wellness, her quality of life will be so improved by what it is. I don’t know how she did it. I haven’t seen any. I don’t know if she did it with the help of Ozempic or whatever. or just diet and exercise, but for however she did it… It doesn’t matter.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. She needed to do that. That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
It doesn’t matter. And I’m not suggesting that fat shaming is what we want to do. That’s what happened with her, and it ended up having this… Well, Dr. Kelly, you know, we…
SPEAKER 05 :
Steve, I’ll throw this off to you as well, but Dr. Kelly, really quick. You know, when somebody is an alcoholic and we know they are, you know, A, we don’t shame them for being one. In fact, we do everything we possibly can to help them not be one. In fact, most families that have an alcoholic family member will do everything they possibly can, including not drinking around them and all sorts of other things to try to help that particular person get over that particular problem in their life. Yet we don’t do that with people that are heavy.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. We certainly don’t. Go ahead, Steve. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead. I was going to say, if you think about it, I mean, you’re 100% right, right? We try not to drink around somebody who’s an alcoholic. We certainly wouldn’t take drugs around somebody who’s a drug addict. But the one thing that we don’t do on Thanksgiving and Christmas is we don’t put away cake and ice cream.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right? If someone needs to be healthier, we’re not changing our diet. It’s just as addictive. It is. In many cases. You’re right. It’s just as addictive. It may be more damaging. I think you can survive long-term alcoholism probably better than you can severe obesity. So I don’t know why it is that way, why the stigma is that way. We basically are giving ourselves a break by saying, hey, you know what? I’m 25, 30 pounds overweight. It’s okay. You know, you’re getting older. It’s fine. It happens to people. Gravity happens. You know, metabolism slows down. The reality of it is. Look at Kelly Victory. If you haven’t seen a picture of her, take a look. I mean, she’s not my age, but she’s getting to the point where she should be having as much trouble with gravity as I do, and for some reason, she doesn’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Kelly, I would be happy even if it was only the 20 or 25 pounds. The problem is, as Americans, that is, let’s just say that that is on the very low end of how people are overweight. Am I correct in saying that?
SPEAKER 16 :
A hundred percent. And, you know, we know that now we have I think it’s 23 states where more than 50 percent of adults are overweight. I mean, think about that. Half of our country, you know, we have a massive issue with with obesity. And the problem is this is that, yes, metabolisms changes. You get older. You have to eat less. You have to eat less and move more, and it isn’t fun. Being hungry or not being able to indulge in the foods we like isn’t fun. But the reality is everybody wants a quick fix, and wealthy societies suffer from this not uncommonly because we have access to everything. You have access to food 24-7. It’s good food. There’s stuff around us all the time. We have made it such that it is very rare to have a social interaction of any sort that does not involve food true we would do ourselves a lot of good to say rather than you hey you want to meet me for a drink or hey you want to meet me for lunch to say hey do you want to meet me and go for a walk right right you want to meet me at the park right well and or the alternative and you know steve you know because i was very heavy at one time and fortunately got on the stick in 2010 and
SPEAKER 05 :
took a ton of weight off, about 110 pounds or so. And Dr. Kelly, what I did, when normally somebody would want to go have some sort of a lunch meeting or something along those lines, I did exactly what you said, or I said something to the effect of, you know, everything we’re going to meet about, we can do over the phone. I really don’t need to be going out to eat. I’m really doing my best to try to be healthy and take some weight off and so on. If you want to get a cup of coffee or something along those lines, I’m game. But at the end of the day, Really, everything we’re doing, we can do over the phone. So how about we do that? And you know what, Dr. Kelly? The majority of people, hardly an exception, didn’t say, sure, John, we can do that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely, and when I was running a big healthcare company, I would say to people, if what we are going to do is have a meeting where we talk, and we have this meeting scheduled for 45 minutes, and we’re just going to talk. In other words, we don’t need a whiteboard, and we don’t need a slide deck or anything. Great, let’s walk and talk.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
And we’re walking. And it doesn’t have to be walking with weights or speed walking or going to a track. You’re just saying, I’m not going to sit. and have a donut and a cup of coffee while we have this meeting. We’ve got to get back to that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Steve, you’re somebody, too. Most people don’t know your history, but you’ve done very well in this area as well and can really relate to what we’re talking about also.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and movement is such a big deal, right? I mean, some of it is I have a little saying that I say in my head all the time, and that is nothing tastes as good as thin feels. So, you know, that’s one thing. Number two is I’ve got an aging doc that I have in Chicago that I go see periodically, and every single time I go, it’s a four-hour appointment. You go over all the stuff, but the first hour we walk. We walk and we talk about the latest medical advancements and what’s going on. I mean, if you look at the numbers, you know, 6,000 steps, 8,000 steps a day, you fix 40% of all-cause mortality is gone because you do that. You save yourself a 40% chance that all causes of mortality will be reduced because you do 8,000 steps a day. It’s not easy to do 8,000 steps, but it’s so much harder. And here’s the other thing, the stat on the fact that men – In the last 10 years, from 65 to 75, men suffer greatly as an average. The average American man suffers. I mean, pain in your joints, pain in all kinds of areas, not to mention cancers and other things. I don’t really want to give up that 10 years and have a lousy 10 years, so I walk. I do a lot of things like that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good for you, and that’s the way it ought to be done. My whole point with this whole article was we’ve now got a city, and by the way, it’ll grow. If San Francisco’s done it, Dr. Kelly and Steve, other cities will follow suit. This will not be the only one that ends up doing this. So we now have a city that’s basically hiring somebody that is their fat positivity person so they can run around the city and basically tell people that, I guess you can live an unhealthy lifestyle, and that’s not a problem at all. And, Dr. Kelly, it kind of goes back to what my whole thought process was what we’ve talked about really all the way through COVID, and I’m sorry, I don’t see this as being any different. We have a section of the political front, the Marxist, I don’t know how else to say it, that are anti-people, and they will get behind anything possible to reduce the population on this earth. Am I wrong, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I think fundamentally that is correct. They don’t care. The value of human life actually isn’t important, and frankly, they’d just as soon see it go down. They’d like to see it go down precipitously, the population. But we have this culture now where you somehow have to validate anything that somebody does. It’s never okay to say what you are doing is unwise or it’s stupid or it’s selfish or whatever else. You have to validate every choice somebody makes. If you decide you want to change your gender, oh, that’s a great idea. If you decide you want to ride your motorcycle without a helmet, oh, that’s fine. If you decide you want to whatever it is, be obese. use drugs, whatever it is, we have to somehow validate that rather than saying, you know what, that’s a really bad idea because we know that it isn’t healthy for you. It’s not good for you. It’s not good for our culture. It’s not good for society, whatever it is. And so, you know, this is just the latest example, this, you know, fat, whatever you want to call it, I don’t know what her title is.
SPEAKER 04 :
She’s the fat positivity expert. You know what it is, John? There’s one other thing to think about here, and I know Kelly believes this too, and that is the reason why they do that is they want to make people feel better that don’t feel good about themselves.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the reality of it is metabolic syndrome… creates a problem for you with dopamine, endorphins, for feeling good, feeling better. So basically, you’re trying to tell someone who feels crappy because they’ve got a problem with their metabolic syndrome that they should feel better or that it’s okay. That’s not helpful. The harder message is, look, you’ve got metabolic syndrome. You’ve put on weight. You’re having a hard time. The future will be better for you. You will literally feel better, think better. It’ll all work better for you if you lose the weight. And there is no other answer.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. None. Absolutely. Guys, that’s it for this hour. It always rolls by really fast. I wanted to give enough time to wish both of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. We are indebted to both of you. And I just can’t say enough, A, how much I’ve learned from the two of you, how I consider you both as close friends, and I know a lot of our listeners do as well. And I just want to say just how grateful I am to have had this experience the last five years, and I look forward to hopefully five more, Steve and Kelly. So, Steve, I’ll let you go first.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, no, I mean, I get so much, learn so much from you guys. The one thing I wish for, and I know it’s not going to happen, is I wish – you know, 10,000 listeners would have a chance to sit in a room with the three of us and have a conversation because I gain every time we do. And I know that it’s helpful not only to my own education, but I pass along so many things. I quote Kelly Victory more than anyone on this planet, no doubt.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it’s because she’s smart and, you know, she does the right things and she helps me. So I appreciate both of you. And, John, you lost weight because Mrs. Rush beat you to death. Ah, there we go. There we go. Just get out there. There we go. She wants you to live, and she made it happen, so I appreciate her, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ll let you go, Steve. Thank you. Dr. Kelly, I meant what I said a moment ago, and I wish you a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, thank you very much, and I appreciate both of you so much. Maybe in 2025 we can have a John Rush Town Hall in Denver. That would be fun. I’ll come down to Denver, and we can all sit in a room maybe and do a program with some people live. It would be really fun.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would enjoy that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Maybe we can find a way to do the program live together.
SPEAKER 05 :
We can do that.
SPEAKER 16 :
So let’s make that happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, we’ll work on that. Dr. Kelly, thank you. Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 16 :
I will talk to you in the new year.
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Thank you. I’m a rich guy.
