In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush and Andy Pate dive into pressing topics as we approach the holiday season. They discuss impending power outages announced by Xcel Energy and provide practical advice on how to prepare for an unexpected loss of power. The show also highlights the importance of forethought in protecting your home against harsh weather, with insights into roof maintenance and resilience against wind damage. Whether you’re preparing for a windy Colorado winter or reinforcing your emergency supplies, these discussions equip you with the knowledge to stay safe and proactive.
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And it’s Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. How’s Andy today?
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Andy’s doing well, sir. How are you?
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I’m doing very well. Always, always, always. No complaints.
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Yeah, yeah. Getting in the yuletide.
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Waiting for the old wind to show up.
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Is that about to come in?
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Yeah, I think actually tonight into tomorrow.
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How bad? I hate wind.
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Well, Xcel Energy has put out all sorts of announcements. Some of you listening may have already received these depending upon what county you live in, but they’ve put out a bunch of announcements on the west side of town for folks saying they may be cut off from power tomorrow.
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Wow.
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So for who knows how long. In some cases, they’re saying it might be an extended period. So for some of you listening, depending upon what your history of having power outages and things like that might be, they’re going to cut this off on purpose to avoid because, again, they got sued big time with the Marshall Fire, so they’re trying to be preemptive on that end of things. Point being, some of the things I have read, you could have not only just an hour or two, but you could be out for several hours, meaning that be prepared for food and freezers and things like that either have generation backup or something along those lines because it could be an extended time depending upon how the wind storm quote-unquote goes
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Yeah, and keep those freezers shut.
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Yes, do not open them.
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Now, are they saying it’s going to be worse in toward the mountains or out more on the plains?
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I think more towards the mountains is what I’m gathering, yes. Wow. Yes, so for those of you that are in those areas, I talked about that briefly yesterday. Be looking for those announcements. I wouldn’t ignore them. Now, again— What all will happen, folks? I don’t have a crystal ball. I don’t really know. I haven’t the foggiest idea. Some things go exactly as planned weather-wise, Andy, but it’s the weather. Yeah. We don’t ever know specifically what’s going to happen with the weather.
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Do you get a lot of… Well, I do, but I’m not telling.
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Do you get a lot of bad… Wind where you’re at out east?
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No. Well, hit and miss. I mean, I wonder what it’s like for John and Cheyenne. I mean, if you want wind.
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They have it.
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Oh, my gosh. I’ll never forget a couple times when I went, like, to the Tetons. And what is it up there? I-90 going across there? I’m not sure.
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80.
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80? Is it 80?
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80.
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Okay. And… Oh, my gosh, John. It just felt in many different places, not just like for a couple mile stretch, but I mean in many different places like I was going to be totally blown off the road. Oh, yes. I felt like I was in the beginning of The Wizard of Oz.
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Well, that’s going to be tomorrow here. That’s what they’re saying.
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I hate wind.
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Oh, I hate it as well. So batten down the hatches, I guess, is what they say. Be prepared. Bottom line, those are some tips for you. And, you know, again, you hear us talk a lot about these things on Ready Radio, but Andy just gave some great tips. Don’t open the refrigerator any more than you have to. Don’t open the freezer any more than you have to. Try to keep things dialed in. For some of you that work at home, you may need to find a different place to actually go accomplish what – You need to do, depending upon whether your power gets shut off or not.
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Okay.
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So there’s your little announcement for today. All right, we’ll take a quick break. We’re going to come back. Always stuff to talk about. Today, and I announce this, we’re going to go through in this first segment when we come back, the 12 scams of Christmas and how to avoid them. And there are a lot. And the reason, and probably a little bit late in doing this, Andy and I probably should have done this last week, but… Reality is we’ll do it now and kind of give you guys some tips and tricks on how to avoid some of the scams that are out there because they’re prevalent. Dr. Scott coming up next. Now, when it comes to your health, something that’s not a scam is Dr. Scott. In fact, what I would tell you the scam is is big pharma, big health care. Scott is not that. He is completely outside of that loop. He does things that work best for you, not for them. 303-663-6990.
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All right. Speaking of wind. Yeah. Andy and I were just talking about this. Roofs. Wind and roofs sometimes don’t mix too well. Now, one thing I will tell you is the treatment, the RoofMax treatment, and Andy was mentioning this a moment ago. You couldn’t hear him say this, but roofs that are treated with the RoofMax product have a much higher – Wind resistance. Yeah, thank you, Andy. Yeah, wind resistance when it’s all said and done.
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Because a dry, brittle roof is going to get torn apart.
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Correct, where these roofs, where they’ve been treated, and they’re more flexible, and things are sticking together better, and so on. You just have a lot better longevity in a windstorm with the RoofMax product once your roof has been rejuvenated. So if you would like to have more information on that and how that works, and no, you’re not going to get that done by tomorrow. So after the windstorm, have your roof inspected, by the way, by Dave, and ask about that particular product.
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You’ll only have three or four shingles left after tomorrow, but, you know, he can treat them.
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Would you recommend RoofMax to friends, family, or neighbors? And why?
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, the 12 scams of Christmas. Now, there’s probably actually more than 12, Andy, but this just happened to be an article that I read.
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Are you really going to put these out? I mean, how am I going to make all my profits over the holidays?
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We’re going to kill it for you, Andy. We’re going to kill it. Sorry. All right. Last Christmas. 16,000 people reported online shopping scams to action fraud and new figures from the UK finance. This is more of a UK article than here in the United States, but it applies everywhere, by the way. It’s all over the place. They show a 17% rise in fraud cases this year, funded in part by increased… by increasingly convincing AI-generated scams. So with tight budgets and the festive rush, they make people more vulnerable. The never deep fakes are now used in one in five identity scams and injection attacks where the fake images or videos are fed into ID verification systems are up 40% just in one year. Wow. So AI… While it’s good, and we talk about that, and it’s a tool, good or bad, well, in this particular case, it’s being used for bad.
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John, you can use a hammer to build or to kill.
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That’s right.
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And the fact is, AI is a wonderful thing, I think, that can be used for bad things.
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That’s right. So, number one. Okay. AI-powered phone calls. The fraudsters now use AI to mimic voices of family members or trusted organizations. If something sounds unusual, hang up and call back on the official number of that person that you know is calling you or whatever that particular agency is that’s calling you.
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Good idea.
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Now… Along these lines, I think I talked to you guys about this a few weeks ago. So I personally had a situation that came up of late where, and I didn’t get scammed, and I wasn’t even close, but the whole thing was just weird. And I thought, okay, I’m going to check this out a little more just to see what the scoop is. So I had a situation this past summer where one of my credit cards was compromised. And so you do the whole process of this isn’t my charge. I need a new card, blah, blah, blah. They send you a card, and off you go. So I get this voicemail. That basically says something to the effect of, you know, please call us. This is in relation to, you know, your fraud claim on card number, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Call us back immediately so we can go over this.
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Nicely done. So they were able to search out your fraud claim.
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And it goes further.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So then I go ahead and call the 800 number that’s there. And I knew it wasn’t the same as what my card number was, but I thought, what the heck, I’ll go ahead and call it just to see how this goes. So I call the number, and I am not joking. This was a Chase card. I am not joking, Andy. Every single step of the way sounded like I was calling Chase.
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Amazing.
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From the original recording to what numbers you have to push to get to the right department, the whole nine yards. Wow.
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And what were they ultimately trying to get?
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My credit card number.
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Okay.
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The whole number. The whole number. So as I call and I finally get somebody on the phone, I said, yeah, I’m calling back in relation to a message that was left on a particular card that has been compromised. And I’m just calling back, you know, based upon the voicemail message. Well, can I have your card number? I’m like, you should already have that. Yeah. Why wouldn’t you? And they’re like, well, I need the card number. I’m like, no, I’m not giving you the card number. You should already have that. You called me, left a message. I’m calling you back on this particular situation.
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Yeah, you’re from Chase. Why wouldn’t you have my card number?
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I said, I’m guessing this is a scam. And then the guy gets mad. You think this is a scam, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just go ahead and call the number on the back of your card. Then I’m like, you know what? That’s exactly what I plan on doing.
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And John, they’re taught to do that. Get all huffy because a certain percentage of people are going to back down then and say, okay, okay, I’m sorry.
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Right. I didn’t. I called this bluff and I said, okay, I’m just going to call the number on the back of the card, which I did. So I hung up from there, called the number on the back of the card, got ahold of the fraud department. I’m like, okay, you’ve probably heard this before, but I just got a phone call, was told to call you, blah, blah, blah. And I said, is there anything weird going on with my account that I need to know of? And it was having to be a lady. She looks at everything. She’s like, no, everything looks great. You’re good. Yep. I’m like, okay, well, thank you very much. I appreciate your help, and I will make sure to disregard any future messages along these lines. She’s like, yeah, we don’t typically call you on a specific fraud claim like that anyways. You would get other type of activity from us via mail and so on. So, yeah, that’s a pretty good red flag that they even called in the first place.
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That’s impressive, though. In a bad way, obviously.
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The other flag for me after looking at it further was the last four digits of the card was the card that had been compromised, not the new one they had sent me, which should have been my other tip-off. I mean, I knew the whole thing was a scam anyways, but it should have been another tip-off because they wouldn’t have been using the old card that’s already been canceled.
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No.
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They were going to use the new one.
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Right.
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So that one, though, folks, for even me personally, it was so real. That, honestly, Andy, you wouldn’t have known you weren’t calling into them.
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Yeah, the bottom line, folks, is you must check with the company. Period.
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End of story.
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But here’s my question.
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Call the 1-800 number on your card.
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But here’s my question. What good would it have done to get your old card number that has been canceled?
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Well, they were probably looking for the new card number because they knew it got replaced.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh.
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That’s exactly what they were looking for.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gotcha.
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Because they knew it had been replaced. So give me the card.
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Oh, you mean they gave you the last four of your old and they wanted the new. Okay, I got it.
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Give me your card number. Okay. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Not going to happen.
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Not happening.
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So that’s, again, that’s one of these where I don’t know if it’s on our list. We’ll talk about it. I just gave you the example. It may be on the list. It may not. I didn’t really look through all this that closely to tell you. But fake delivery texts, those are rampant, folks. They will actually – they basically send you a message claiming that a parcel can’t be delivered, and they want you to check back in on their tracking and so on, and they’re taking it to a false website where you put information in that at the end of the day just steals more of your identity.
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Right. I’ve gotten those. I just delete them.
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I think all of us do.
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Yeah.
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Lookalike websites. Scammers will swap letters for numbers like Amazon with a zero instead of an O.com. Okay? So it’s Amazon with a zero instead of an O. It tricks shoppers into thinking that they’re at the actual right website and they’ve got the ability with tools and such to actually copy and make it look exactly like that website. It’s not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. Yeah. And so everything you’re doing on there, you’re just giving them money.
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You’re giving them everything.
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And you’re not going to get a thing.
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That’s right.
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Okay.
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Counterfeit event tickets. Criminals exploit sold-out shows with fake resale listings. We’ve talked about this one in the past. Be careful of that one, of course. And only buy from official ticket providers. Don’t buy from anyone else, of course. Bogus charity appeals. This one I didn’t know much about. They mimic legitimate charities during the season of goodwill. Oh, yeah. Verify, of course, that charity registration number on the charity’s websites. And here in the U.S., you’ve got the ability to verify that particular charity as well. And don’t give money to somebody that you don’t know full well. That’s who they are.
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Yeah, I’ve never had this done to me, but that’s a biggie. They do that a lot, John. That’s not just kind of happening. That’s everywhere. That’s right.
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Fake social media ads. This one I’ve seen. I’ve never been duped by one, but they’re really nice ads, and they look like you’re going to get this great item at a really great low price. And what I do typically is I’ll even click on that to see where is it taking me. I then take that website, copy it into another scam-type site that’s watching these types of websites, and it’ll tell you whether that’s a legitimate site or not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, can you give an example maybe later in the show of a scam website that you can send it to, that people can send these to?
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Well, really quick, for those of you listening, just all you have to do is take that website and Google, I need blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.com reviews. And if you do that, it’ll give you all the different sites that have reviewed this to tell you whether it’s a scam, whether it’s not. Is it legit? But maybe they’re super bad with their reviews. It might be a legit site, but still someplace you don’t want to buy from.
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All right.
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Because their reviews are just so bad, you don’t want to buy there. But yeah, you do a quick Google search. You’ll determine really quick whether a website’s legit or not.
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Okay.
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Gift card scams. This is a big one as well. If someone asks to be paid in gift cards, it’s fraud. Legitimate companies never request this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
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So in other words, I need you to pay X, Y, Z, go down to the local Walgreens and buy me a gift card. No, no. Don’t do that.
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No.
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And again, folks, a lot of you listening understand all of this. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of folks listening. You might even have family members that are listening that don’t. understand what I just said. I’ve had my own family members at times that have tried to be scammed through various things along these lines that fortunately were thwarted at the end, Andy, but they were very close to losing a lot in the process.
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Yeah, and you know, John, We right away think about the elderly, right? We think, well, they’re going to be the big target. You know, folks, here’s some people to think about. Your younger people who you know who just came of age to where they’ve got the cards to where they got a little money. They’re only 20. They just got married. They can be scammed very easily. I really think you should pass a lot of this along to them.
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yeah absolutely folks thank you andy i appreciate that greatly yeah this is not any particular age group of user this can affect literally anyone airline and holiday booking scams fraudulent travel sites lure customers in with low-cost winter sun deals And at the end of the day, they are nothing more than a scam. Subscription traps. Free trials that quietly sign you up for expensive monthly charges. Read the fine print. Fake investment opportunities. Fraudsters promise guaranteed returns during the new year for the fresh start. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. And then lastly, parcel theft and doorstep scams. Yeah, we see that all the time. The porch pirates. So really watch that. And that’s one of those where it’s really… It’s almost hard. This is my suggestion. If you’re in an area where you know there’s a lot of porch pirates, use some sort of a locker system. Pick it up at UPS or FedEx or whatever. Just don’t let the stuff sit on you. If you’re not going to be home, don’t let the stuff sit on your doorstep.
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Okay.
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You’re liable to have the stuff stolen anyways. Joe, you’re next. Go ahead.
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John, Facebook ads for stuff that’s too good to be true, starting with a roll of 100 U.S. postage stamps for $29.95. Yeah, that ain’t going to happen. The post office does not discount stamps.
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Nope, never.
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Now, by the way, what there are, and the Chinese are making, you know, if you watch the show Contraband Sees at the Border, people are shipping in from China boxes full of fake. So you’re either not going to get anything or you’re going to get a roll of fake stamps. I was talking to the Postmaster Post. They said, yeah, we see them all the time. You know, we flag them. So don’t, don’t think you can buy a 70, by the way, first class posters is seven, eight cents a stamp. You cannot buy $78 worth of postage for $29. So you’re either not going to get anything or you’re going to get fake stamps. Yeah.
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There’s no such thing as discount stamps.
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And then, uh, merchandise too good to be true. Like, you know, Carhartt, uh, you know, work shirts, you know, khaki work shirts, you know, a 12 for 12 for $29 or something like that. It, I mean, it’s good stuff. I mean, it’s stuff you would want. My husband would love that. My brother-in-law would love that. You can’t get work shirts for $2.50 a piece. It’s just not. It’s work shirts. It’s sweaters. It’s, you know, gloves. You just can’t get that. And they’re advertising name brand merchandise. So it’s either knockoff stuff or they just want your credit card number. You’ll never get anything. Right. If it’s too good to be true, don’t waste your time going after it on Facebook. And that’s where I see it, John. So many Facebook ads, just incredibly the number of fake Facebook ads out there that pop up.
SPEAKER 13 :
I see them daily. Daily.
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Yeah, so do I. Yeah. So, again, if you’re looking at something that’s a half or a third of the normal retail price, you’re either going to get nothing or you’re going to get a cheap counterfeit. And either way, the scammer is going to get your credit card number.
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My big question is, how do they get on Facebook? I mean, why isn’t that policed? You would think that it would be caught right away. Because, look, if you’re an advertiser, a legitimate one, who are you paying? You’re paying Facebook.
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Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Well, if Facebook hasn’t been paid and there’s an ad on there, wouldn’t they catch it?
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You would think so. And a lot of those, I will flag, Joe, you probably do the same thing. I’ll tell Facebook this is a fraudulent site, you know, take it down, whatever. The problem is I don’t know if enough people do that, Joe.
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Oh, the other one is a pallet full of returned Amazon merchandise. You know, $69, and they must put up 50 or 60 fake reviews. I got mine the other day. It had two MacBook computers and a tablet. They’re all fake reviews, and they’re showing these Photoshop pictures of pallets, boxes stacked on pallets outside of an Amazon distribution center. It’s not Amazon. But I’ve even seen ammunition. I’ve seen if you’re a shooter, you’ll get ammunition, and they’ll take a well-known name of, let’s say, an ammunition manufacturer, and they’ll change a letter or they’ll add two things to it. Like instead of Hornady, it’ll be HornadyUS.com. And Hornady, for those that is a big ammunition manufacturer, And their website is Hornady.com, but they’ll put HornadyUS.com.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they’ll start advertising.
SPEAKER 13 :
Or they put an S in, or they do something weird like that, Joe, where it’s hard to even suspect it’s not real.
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Yep. Or they’ll say, going out, so-and-so, one of the country’s leading manufacturers of X is going out of business. This is our clearance sale.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And then you go check. The place that they claim to be isn’t going out of business. And they’re offering, like, half-off, you know, merchandise. Depending on whether you’re into… I got one the other day for, you know, these wildlife cameras you put on a tree.
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Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, trail cams. Yes, the trail cams. John, they were offering trail cams for like $19 a piece. And if you go look on Amazon, these are like $69 trail cams, not $19 in trail cams. And the company that was selling them is not going out of business. But if you don’t check, you’re going to be tricked into saying, yeah, well, look at that, a $69 trail cam for $19. I’m going to get me three of those. Well, you’re not going to get anything for your money. That’s the other big scam I see with the advent of buying on social media.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good one, Joe. Great advice. Thank you, sir, as always.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re welcome.
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You betcha, man. Appreciate you very much. And let’s do this. We’ll take a break. We’ll come back. Got a few more things I want to cover along those lines, and we’ve got other topics as well. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next. Again, save a lot of money on Windows and Doors today by going direct to the source. That is Veteran Windows and Doors. Talk to Dave today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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The best export we have is Common Sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, yesterday I went to a big diatribe in the 3 o’clock hour about some of you out there listening that are, in my opinion, total anti-Jews, racists, and so on. And I blocked somebody else today, but I’ve got to read you what they said. I can’t read this. Sorry. And this person got blocked immediately after I did respond, of course.
SPEAKER 06 :
Had you heard from them before?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, this is something that actually texts the show on a fairly routine basis. Jews are worthless. Shame on the Germans for not finishing the job. I don’t know what the Jews have on you, Denver radio hosts, because all you do is kiss their asses like all of you do. Again, his grammar or her grammar or whatever it is his grammar is awful. And I said, well, you’re blocked, Jew hater. What a worthless human being you are. You’ll meet your maker someday. I pity you in that way. Good. Glad you let them go. And they’re done. So again, like I said yesterday, I’m not putting up with that anymore.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, they are out there online. I have had, I’m not kidding, I’ve had supposed Christian conservatives tell me they believe that Israel literally is paying me for my posts. They’re serious. You must be paid by Israel. You’re paid by Mossad. Why do they say that? Gee, because I don’t like Candace, because I think she’s a bigot, which she is.
SPEAKER 13 :
Which she is.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I don’t like Tucker. Because he is, too. I think he’s a bigot, because he is. And, you know, and I look at the… But, John, you know, for me, I’ve never even met one of these people who says we’ve got to support Israel because I’m a Christian and all that. No, I’ve always said…
SPEAKER 14 :
Take that out of the equation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I support Israel, and I just go through all the simple comparisons between them and all the surrounding nations over there. And I say, look, they’re obviously the good guys. Here’s why. And that’s what makes them an incredibly cheap date. They are basically an aircraft carrier for us in the Middle East. Okay? That’s how I treat it.
SPEAKER 13 :
And you’re right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and it’s just like you guys think that it’s like I’m owned by the Jews. Netanyahu, they literally believe. I get my check every week, Andy, don’t you? Where do you get it, just so I know?
SPEAKER 13 :
Netanyahu sends it directly to me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know, I would love that. Can I get a check from Netanyahu? Or what is it, APAC?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I get one on a regular basis, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, they think I’m on the payroll of APAC.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve never gotten a dime. I’ve never met anyone from APAC. OK, I’ve never met anyone from any of these places. And meanwhile, you got Muslims killing people all over the world. That just happened, obviously, in Australia. It just happened. Where was the other place that just happened? Stateside. I forget. They do so much. Yeah. They kill so many. I can’t keep track. Right. And you’ve got Islam killing everywhere all the time. And what do they all worry about? How APAC is registered. They’re really worried about how APAC is registered. And I’m just like, whatever. You do realize the other side is killing people all over the world. I mean, you get that, don’t you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 06 :
They believe that the Jews committed genocide in Gaza when they had the lowest civilian to combatant ratio in modern urban warfare by a long shot. And how did they achieve that, John? They achieved that by losing a lot more of their own lives by doing it carefully.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Strategically.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyway, I could go on and on. No, you’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 13 :
It just blows my mind, though. Again, and I guess after even listening to some friends and wife last night and even Andy chiming in and a lot of you, by the way, chiming in on the text line as well, made the right call. And some of you even noted last night, rightfully so. You were correct in saying this. I let it go too long. Some of you wanted me to do what I did yesterday long before I did.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, with Marty?
SPEAKER 13 :
Uh-huh. So you all, I apologize. You were correct. I probably was more gracious than I should have been, although Marty and I have a little bit of history that I will not get into, so I gave Marty probably more benefit of the doubt than I would most individuals because of he and I’s history along those lines. Again, I’m not going to get into details there, but I have some history with him, so I was a little more gracious with him than I probably would have been anybody else, but all that did was come back to bite me in the butt, and my apologies. You are right. Those of you that texted that in, You are 100% correct. I let it go on a lot longer and farther than I should have, and I should have cut that off a long time ago, and you guys are all correct. Thank you.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, but John, on your deathbed, you’re going to be glad you were more gracious than less.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, that you were more patient than less with people in general. Let me ask you this. Why is this happening in Christian conservatism?
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s a great question, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I was going to ask you the same thing. Christian conservatism. I mean, look, I understand Jew hatred happens everywhere. I get it. But remember, I was an atheist. I was raised on the side. I was a liberal atheist. I was raised on the side that loves hating Jews. They hate Jews when they get up in the morning and go to bed at night, which is hilarious because, not that hating Jews is hilarious, but it’s hilarious because Jews generally vote leftward here in America.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Rob Reiner.
SPEAKER 13 :
Which I don’t get.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jew, right? Right. You know, it just kind of blows my mind. But when I switched sides and I became a Christian and then I went into school for the ministry, I didn’t meet anyone, anyone, anywhere who had any of these thoughts about Jews ever.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I met hundreds of people. Right. And they were people with all kinds of different denominations, different kind of background beliefs. You know, this one’s Arminian. This one’s Calvinist. This one’s whatever. You know, pre, post.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. All that.
SPEAKER 06 :
All this kind of stuff. And, John, none of them hated Israel. And now, John, it’s everywhere. Right. And I’m telling you what, they hate Jews. They say they don’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, they do. And to answer your question, and I said this a little bit yesterday, and I mean this. I think, number one, you know, just because you’re born in a car doesn’t make you – or just because you’re born in a garage doesn’t make you a car. Just because you grew up in church, you even attend church on a regular basis, doesn’t make you a Christian. So I think there’s a lot of these people, Andy, that will, quote-unquote, they’ll claim to be a Christian, quote-unquote, when in fact it’s probably the farthest thing from one In other words, they’ll even throw some Scripture at me, which I can tell you right now is always taken completely out of context. They have no idea what they’re talking about. They’ll use different examples out of Scripture, which tells me right off the bat they don’t know Scripture at all. And what they don’t realize is they’re arguing with somebody that actually knows it very well. I don’t say that a lot on air because it’s not the kind of program that we have here. But, yes, I know it extremely well. So for folks to come at me and say all sorts of things that are anti-Jew and trying to back that up from the Bible is laughable at best, Andy. So my point with you is, you know, why is this coming out of the Christian community? Well, no offense. These aren’t Christians, Andy. Farthest thing from it. These aren’t Christians.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, we’ve got to keep in mind Matthew 7. Many will come on that day and say, Lord, Lord, did we not do this and prophesy in your name and do great deeds in your name and so forth? What does he say? I never knew you. That’s right. Not, I knew you for a while, but gee golly, you kind of fell off. No.
SPEAKER 13 :
I never knew you.
SPEAKER 06 :
I never knew you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. You were never with me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I think there’s some of these people that we’re talking about right now, Andy, fit that description. They’re not Christians. They’re not in lock, stop, and barrel with Christian beliefs and everything that goes on theologically speaking that way. They’re very misguided Christians. They’re very emotional individuals, by the way, and they have bought into a bunch of nonsense conspiracy theories that are out there that literally are still out there against the Jews. And these are people that I’ll just say it straight up. You guys are dumb as rocks. You literally, you’re dumb as rocks. You believe in things that frankly aren’t real. And because of that, you let racism get a hold of your life. Shame on you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
You should know better than that. Shame on you.
SPEAKER 06 :
What about Ben Shapiro’s theory on this? And I think it’s pretty… What is it?
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t know his. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it’s an interesting theory because he says, look, this is happening overwhelmingly amongst young men.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
He says in the church, but more importantly, in the conservative movement.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Christian or not.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
But the ones who paint it with Christ talk is just, you know, and their slogan is Christ is king. Christ is king. Did you know that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Christ is king. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that comes out of the Grapers, Nick Fuentes, and they say Christ is king. And Candace, they say, Candace, I’m sorry, I think it’s her thing. And they say Christ is king, Christ is king. And that’s their little code to say I’m one of the anti-Israel Christians. I’m a Jew hater. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I don’t hate Jews. I’m just against Israel’s government.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, you’re full of crap.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you’re totally full of crap. So you’re against Israel’s, the government of the one Jewish nation on earth. And by the way, you’re predisposed to believing every single conspiracy theory that comes along about them. And you’ll just believe it. Why? Because you want to. Okay? You want to believe it. Oh, yeah, well, they’ve shown me evidence. And then I always say, okay, show it to me.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, okay, come on, show it to me. A couple have actually tried, and it was ludicrous. I said, there’s no evidence there. These are claims.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
What is the evidence? What do you have? There is no evidence of what you’re saying now. I can show you evidence of what Israel has actually done, and also, by the way, of what these other nations have done.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Instead. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so here’s what Shapiro says. He says right now, he says this is largely an economic thing, which shocked me, and it shocked a lot of people. He said it’s bitterness. What you have going on right now is young people, they can’t afford homes anymore because of the way that the market has gone, and that’s Biden. That’s Bidenomics, okay? You know about this. Young people are being frozen out of buying homes right now because interest rates are through the roof.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and their expectations are high.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Well, their expectations were always too high. But now you add to that, the prices went up due to inflation and interest rates went up to counterinflation. Bottom line, they can’t afford a house. And what he said is this, you’ve got a lot of young people. men especially who are very bitter he said also young men are graduating college at a much lower rate they’re not they’re not going to college as much as women uh the young white men have no hiring advantages right now anywhere they have no hiring advantages no school advantages no advantages whatsoever and they can’t afford a home they can’t afford a lot of things they’re frustrated he says when you take a group That’s frustrated. And you go to them and say, I’m going to give you a group to blame. See, this group over here, they’re successful. They have everything. They have everything they need. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you about APAC. Let me tell you how they get a ton of your money in ways that you didn’t know. Let me tell you about that. This is why you’re poor. This is why you’re held down. He said, it is incredible that we have now on the right, where this has always been on the left, he says, now we have on the right a, what do you call it, a… bitterness at not having, what do you call it?
SPEAKER 14 :
Envy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Envy. Class envy. He says, class envy on the right has risen amongst especially young white men because they have no advantages whatsoever.
SPEAKER 14 :
I had no idea.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, I’m picking from a lot of things he said here. No, you’re right. No, I get it. I’m paraphrasing. You’re fine. You’re fine. He would put it better. And he said… At this time, suddenly, out of nowhere, this hate for Israel, he says, then what you do is you put some proselytizers of hating Israel in the middle of that. You put the Candace Tucker people that they respected. Coming to them, and this is fertile ground now. Fertile ground. They’re bitter. They’re angry. They have no advantages anywhere. They’re hated by everybody. They’re villainized by the world. You know, young white conservatives. I mean, you’re the worst person on earth. And then they are told, here’s someone to blame. And he said, they are lapping it up.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’ve never heard that one before. Not that I can disagree with that, Andy, but I’d never heard that before.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And he just said basically in so many words. And I heard this other guy on JTV, Jewish TV. And I don’t know. I started seeing some of these videos from them just because I was looking into Tucker and Candace.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And. And by the way, I also listened to Tucker and Candace, their own videos, right? And as much as I could take, and it was so hateful, I couldn’t take it anymore. But they basically said the same thing. They preyed on the bitterness that has been growing in that group. And they used it. And now it’s everywhere. But how it got in the church is what blows my mind.
SPEAKER 13 :
That one, I just, again, I can’t disagree with anything that’s said now.
SPEAKER 06 :
They literally tell me about how Jews killed Jesus. Well, yeah. Some Jewish leaders a couple thousand years ago killed Jesus.
SPEAKER 13 :
Actually, let me rephrase that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they weren’t the only ones involved.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t want to get into too much depth with those of you and get off track because this is not a quote-unquote Christian program. We don’t even have a Christian license on this particular station. We are a secular station. But let me be crystal clear here. Yes, the Sadducees and Pharisees had a hand in the crucifixion of Christ, but it was your sin and mine that crucified Christ, folks. It wasn’t any individual body of anyone that did that. It was all of us. All of us are sinners destined to hell, and it was Christ’s blood on the cross, Andy, that saves all of us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, let me take it a step further to people who are Christians, born-again Christians like me. Every time I turn my back on him, I’m crucifying him again. Okay? Every time I do, and we’ve all done it, right? We’ve all, you know, whatever. Right. We think about, you know, we idolize our job more than our car, whatever. And any time, it’s like, folks, we killed Jesus. Okay? They just happened to be the religious authorities at the time. That’s right. Are you telling me that if this had happened in China, Jesus would have been okay and nothing would have happened? If this had happened in, I don’t know, somewhere else.
SPEAKER 13 :
Andy, that’s just lunacy talk.
SPEAKER 06 :
In Canada. Yeah. He would have been killed anywhere, are you kidding?
SPEAKER 13 :
This goes back to the conversation, not that I disagree with Ben, I think he’s correct in a lot of what he said, but then layer on to that what I was talking about, how these are so-called Christians that basically have zero foundation in Christianity whatsoever. In other words, they don’t know what Scripture even says. So yes, I agree with everything he’s saying, and then layer on the fact that they’re not very spiritually inclined at all, and yeah, you have a recipe for disaster.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they’re bitter. One thing I’ve noticed that they do have in common, John, and like you said, a lot of them are Christian newbies, okay? But one thing I’ve noticed that a lot of them have in common is bitterness and what i mean is this they are bitter in general okay they’re constantly focused on what’s the um vote counting system dominion oh i’m just using that as an example okay they’re fixated on dominion they’re fixated on free tina peters well i’d like her free too i i thought that nine years was ludicrous okay but they’re fixated on bitterness bitterness bitterness bitterness get even get even get even get revenge right We won’t be happy until we see people in chains for what they’ve done. They’re fixated on bitterness everywhere, and they hate the Jews. And the Jews killed Christ. You see what I mean? These people almost always come from that general mindset to where, I’ll just say it, they’re fertile ground. What do you think?
SPEAKER 13 :
I can’t disagree. And again, I think Ben brings up some great points. I can’t disagree with him on that. Again, you layer into that the simple fact that these are individuals that really don’t know Scripture at all. And I mean that when I say that. They don’t know Scripture at all. They’ll throw some phrases out. They’ll throw some things they’ve seen on some of the conspiratorial websites and so on, trying to prove their point, Andy. They’re good at memorizing certain things, thinking, oh, I got you on this one, and yeah, no, you don’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And by the way, in Ben’s defense, he puts it a lot better than I do. I’m paraphrasing. No, you did fine.
SPEAKER 13 :
You did fine.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hearing from a number of people.
SPEAKER 13 :
And by the way, I can’t disagree with anything of what you said. I think all that is spot on. Again, going back to the root cause of this, these aren’t Christians.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t think they are. I do think that there are probably some… They’re churchgoers, but they’re not Christians, Andy. I think it’s possible to be a Christian and hold really bad views. I don’t know how long you can.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re more forgiving than I am on that one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, maybe I’m not because I’m thinking maybe. Maybe not. You know, ultimately.
SPEAKER 13 :
How could you hate a race of people the way some of the ones I’ve described have called into this show and that I’ve now banned from this show in the text line? How could you do that and call yourself a Christian?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the ones that you’ve banned, I don’t. call Christians. I mean, what you just read or Marty and these kinds of people, I look at them and just say, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 14 :
Perfect.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m just saying, are there some who are more susceptible to it? Christians aren’t perfect. I agree. And they can be weak.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
But I will say this, and we’ll finish with this. By their fruit, you will know them, okay? And by their fruit, if your fruit is that you instantly believe any conspiracy theory about Jews because you like to, Right there, yeah. That’s a problem. I question.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Now, one thing, too, I was going to mention, so good timing. Charlie was mentioning it in my ear a moment ago. Candace Owens and Erica Kirk met for, I think, about two and a half hours earlier today. Four and a half. Oh, so far, four and a half. I thought it was two and a half. Four and a half hours. Now, I got to hand it to Erica because I wouldn’t have spent four minutes with Candace. No. Whack-a-doodle to the max.
SPEAKER 06 :
I disagree with this decision by Erica. I think they should have gone through because what they were going to do was on Monday, TPUSA and their leadership there had already planned. They were going to take all of Candace’s documented accusations toward them, and they were going to dispel them one by one by one. And they were totally ready. They had it all written out, all prepared. Mm-hmm. And their team was ready to do this. Now, Candace knew that. Okay. And Candace had a chance to go on the show with them and said that her husband would not allow her and that she was submitting to her husband not wanting her to. Whatever. I don’t know. Don’t care. All I know is this. I think Candace wanted to meet with Erica privately so she could dodge having all her conspiracy kook theories torn apart. And I don’t know why Erica let her do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
I wouldn’t have.
SPEAKER 06 :
I wouldn’t have. Erica should have let her. You know, Erica, I know you’re a wonderful person. You really are. She is. She just seems like a real sweetheart. And what a horrible thing she’s been through. I can’t imagine. But your team was ready. And I don’t mean to say this in a mean way. I mean to say this in a cleansing way. The light had to be shown on the wickedness, the craziness that is Candace and her cult. They needed to be exposed. They needed to be absolutely exposed because we need to, as a conservative movement, start moving beyond this because we’ve got to start uniting. And we can’t with this rising kook fringe that is getting more and more power by the day. And they had an opportunity to shred it, and they didn’t. And they were going to. They were ready to. I wonder why they didn’t. It’s not because they didn’t have the goods. From all that they’re saying, they had the goods. I mean, they were ready. The people who do their podcast were talking basically, we’re ready to go. We’re going to go through these one by one. It was going to be a, I mean, it was going to be a butchery.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t get it. I mean, truthfully. Because she wants to be gracious. More power to Erica for being gracious and all that. I wouldn’t have given Candace two seconds of my time. Nonetheless, four and a half hours, because frankly, she’s not worth it.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, all of Candace’s racist followers, and I’m saying this flat out, if you listen to Candace Owens regularly, how can you do that if you’re not a Jew-hating bigot?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I don’t know how you can do it. I believe, because people say, well, why did she actually, she’s hit number one, at least for now, right, briefly, but maybe she’ll stay there. And they say, well, how come she’s the biggest one out there? And my answer is very simple, because Jew hatred internationally right now is huge. By the way, her following isn’t just America. In America, she’s not number one. Okay, but internationally, she’s number one now. Well, why? Because Jews are hated all over the world.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, and especially in America, I think it would have been so important for her Jew hating supporters to see her picked apart. And Erica, I’m sorry, you made a mistake.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, wrong choice.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wrong choice.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, I wouldn’t have done that for all sorts of reasons, but mainly, Andy, because Candace needs shut down. She needs to be, you know, basically put in her place.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
And that hasn’t been done yet, and she will, because of this, I’m sure, maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m wrong, but I guarantee you out of this will come nothing more than a bunch of hatred from Candace when it’s all said and done. She’s not going to change her ways.
SPEAKER 06 :
No. She’s a sick woman. She’s a very sick person. And she’s going to keep doing it. And by the way, she’s incredibly rich. I mean, she’s ludicrously wealthy because of all these Jew haters who listen to her. That’s money, man. The advertisers, they’re just looking at clicks.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Good point. Good point. I say that all the time, folks. Be careful what you click on and what you share because somebody’s making money off of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Erica, you have to speak light to darkness. Okay, when you’ve got, you know, I’m not talking, oh, we’ve got to go after every single wrong or bad thing that’s ever done or said. No, no, no, this one’s different, though. But this, Erica, this is massive. Right. This is dividing the entire conservative movement. And by the way, it is shipwrecking it going into 2026. That’s right. When we should be doing well.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re killing MAGA. Right now, nothing is tearing MAGA apart more than this. More than Candace and her followers hating the Jews. And Tucker. Tucker’s doing even more damage than Candace stateside.
SPEAKER 13 :
Can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And that had to be shot down. You had a chance to do it. You didn’t do it. And guess what? You didn’t cut the cancer out. What’s the cancer going to do, Erica? Do you think it’s going to shrink? Do you think that she’s going to make peace with you publicly? Do you think she’s not going to go on and continue to cause this incredible division on the right?
SPEAKER 13 :
She will.
SPEAKER 06 :
She will.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, just wrapping up this first hour. And Andy, you wanted to add a couple of things to that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know what? One reason that I can see Erica doing this is that I believe, and I said this, remember, right after Charlie died, okay, I said, look, they’ve got a huge problem in that a large contingent of TPUSA supporters are Israel haters, are Jew haters.
SPEAKER 13 :
We’ve talked about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. We’ve had that discussion. I think Erica may have made the quote-unquote peace to appease them. I don’t know that. But I’m trying to think of what possible motivation could she have because her team had probably put in hundreds of hours putting together a full presentation, picking all this stuff apart, and then she probably realized, man, We’ve got a lot of supporters who agree with these feelings toward Israel. And we could alienate them. I don’t know. I mean, do you have any? I’m not saying I know.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you could be right, Andy. I mean, she could be looking at all sorts of things, having different advisors in her ear, telling her different things and so on. I personally would have told Candace to pound sand. Oh, yeah. We’re going for blood, but I’m not Erica.
SPEAKER 06 :
Me either.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m not running TPUSA, so she is, and I’m not.
SPEAKER 06 :
I wish them well.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, exactly. I wish you well, and more power to you, Erica. You did something today that, frankly, I wouldn’t have done. All right, two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
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