Join us on this lively episode of ‘Rush to Reason’ where we kick off with an unusual debate about polar bears and their surprising place in the hierarchy of danger compared to grizzlies. As we explore the docile appearance versus their actual threat, listeners are treated to a conversation that balances humor and intriguing insights into nature. 🚀 Transitioning from the animal kingdom to the realm of politics, the discussion heats up with a dive into the current GOP dynamics in Colorado. John Rush and Andy Pate delve into the impact of new candidates like Victor Marks and how
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All right, Tuesday edition Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Usually I say happy Tuesday, but yeah, it’s Tuesday and it’s happy. It’s good. I’m happy. A little chillier today. It’s Tuesday. Are you wearing shorts today, by the way? Or is it too chilly for shorts?
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No, no, I’m wearing shorts.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you are wearing shorts.
SPEAKER 18 :
I wear shorts until it really gets cold out, but I am from Wisconsin.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and it’s cold enough for me to not wear shorts.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, the legs don’t affect me. It’s the upper body that, for me, that gets cold quickly.
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I’ve been cold all day today. Have you really? Yeah, it’s just chilly. Okay. Anyways, it is what it is. So, question of the day from yesterday. During pregnancy, how much weight can a polar bear gain? And the answer is 400 pounds. That’s a lot, but polar bears are big, so they show up pretty well. Or they hide it pretty well, I guess I should say. Yeah, I guess they hide it well. They carry it well is what I meant to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the old saying, well, carry my weight well. So I guess the polar bears has that.
SPEAKER 18 :
What do they eat? Polar bears. Seals?
SPEAKER 16 :
Seals, fish, whatever they can find, I guess. Okay. They’re meat eaters, so.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I know they are. I’m just kind of wondering.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I mean, I shouldn’t say that, don’t they? Don’t bears eat like berries and things like that, too, if they have to?
SPEAKER 18 :
Not polar bears. There aren’t many berries up there. Maybe they eat Eskimos. I mean, has the Eskimo population declined as polar bears have surged?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, good question, but I do know this. I’d read this somewhere, so somebody, you can correct me if I’m wrong.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
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But I had read somewhere that they’re actually meaner than grizzly bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Are they really?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Because they look all nice and white and fluffy. Now, wait a minute.
SPEAKER 18 :
Are you alleging white supremacy here? That they are a terror group in the North?
SPEAKER 16 :
When it comes to polar bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, my goodness. I have to look this up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now I’ve got to look it up. Are polar bears meaner?
SPEAKER 18 :
I didn’t know they were that mean. I always thought that when I think of polar bears, I always think the Coca-Cola commercials with them. I think they’re docile. So I was right. And they celebrate Christmas.
SPEAKER 16 :
Polar bears. Polar bears are generally considered meaner and more dangerous than grizzlies because they are primarily carnivores. They view humans as food and actively hunt them, while grizzlies are more omnivores who typically attack only when they feel threatened or are protecting their young. So a polar bear is the only bear species that actively stalks and tries to eat people. They eat us? There you go, Andy. They stalk us? So they are meaner than grizzly bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, then we should go up there and hunt them to extinction and wipe them out. What do you think?
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re driven by their predatory nature and scarce food sources, making encounters with them significantly more dangerous than that of a grizzly bear.
SPEAKER 18 :
Nah, they got to go.
SPEAKER 16 :
So there you go.
SPEAKER 18 :
They got to go.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re not this nice, white, fluffy creature like a lot of people think.
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, I’m pretty busy for the next couple months, but I think after that I can go up there and hunt them to extinction.
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North to Alaska. Andy’s heading up. Yeah. Anyways, that’s the answer yesterday. Today’s question of the day, who patented the Haas avocado in 1935, and what was his profession?
SPEAKER 18 :
What’s a Haas avocado?
SPEAKER 16 :
I have no idea.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m not into avocados.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I love. It’s a type, I think Charlie just said.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s a type… H-A-A-S. Well, I’ll bet somebody named Haas was involved.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I would think so. Okay. John Haas. I saw a video the other day where there was this avocado that was like the size of a grapefruit. Huge.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, really?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, just ginormous, like this huge avocado, like double the size of a normal avocado.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, you’re big into this stuff, like avocados and guacamole and all that. I hate it. You don’t like guacamole?
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s because you’re from Wisconsin.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I hate, no, no, no. I mean, my wife’s from Wisconsin. She loves avocado. She buys them all the time, makes her own guacamole, makes all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER 16 :
So why don’t you like it?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, you know, the taste. I despise avocado. I don’t like the flavor. Really? And I don’t like guacamole.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I love it. Put a little salt and pepper on it and good to go. Serious? Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, I mean, look, most people do love it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I have it three times a week easily. It’s a good fat.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’ve never taken to it.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s a healthy fat for your brain.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a very healthy fat for the brain, which is why I’m so stupid. I mean, I do not like avocados.
SPEAKER 16 :
Maybe that’s the problem with our party right now. Not enough avocados. Sorry. Talk about that when we come back. Okay, yeah, we can talk about that when we come back.
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We’re going to fix the Colorado Republican Party, and it all starts with avocados.
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We’re just going to buy them avocados.
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Okay.
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Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Jennifer, you are our first caller today. Welcome.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wow. This is really exciting. I’ve listened to you guys for a long time, and I told Andy in the comment today that I don’t agree with all his movie reviews, but that’s okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s all right. I don’t either, so that makes two of us. No one ever agrees with anyone else on all their movie thoughts.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s hilarious. In fact, that’s true of married couples. Very true, Jennifer. Very true. Not a problem.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So, yeah, I posted something, and you’d think I threw a bomb and walked away. Oh, my word. Yeah, I read some of that as well.
SPEAKER 16 :
Today I didn’t comment on it, but I read some of that today. Yeah, that was a lot of fun, actually. Yes. Okay, so really quick, for those that are listening, so that everybody out there understands what the three of us, so it’s not a closed circuit thing here and everybody else understands, tell everybody, Jennifer, what you actually posted, and then we’ll get into some of the responses. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Well, all right. I’ll just back it up just a little bit.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hang on really quick. I also got to mention this. This was not pre-done. In other words, Jennifer, you called in on your own. I did not reach out to you. This is all organic, correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Okay, perfect. All right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Actually, John, Jennifer is AI.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, sure she is. Just so you know. I know Jennifer. No, she is not.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m a Russian bot.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re a Russian bot. There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so just to back it up a little bit, I watched Victor Marx on the Sean Ryan show episode a little while back.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, I’ve seen that too.
SPEAKER 08 :
I thought, oh, I just need to follow this guy, pay more attention. And then he spoke at the Charlie Crook Memorial, and I was there, and part of why I went is because I want to see him in person. This is awesome. I want to go see him. So I went and saw him there, and then when he dropped the possibility that he may be running for governor, I’m like, I am totally following this. This would be amazing. So… I he announced earlier this week, actually, the first last week on the first he announced. Right. Right. Yeah. So he just recently announced. And when I saw that, I thought, oh, my goodness, this is awesome. I’m glad he decided to do that. And then I thought, you know, in advertising business and stuff, you have to do that. No, like trust. So I created a page, Coloradoans for Victor Marx, and I thought, all right, all I’m going to be doing is putting on this page things so that people can get to know him and like him and trust him. Just putting it out there, do what you want. I am all for it. So, I mean, making my stance completely clear. And then I went to the Colorado Republicans page on Facebook. And a lot of people were, yay, yay, Mark, this is great, wonderful. And I posted some comments, and I’m telling you, some people just came unglued on me. And I’m thinking, what the heck? And so it was a couple of days of that and kind of seeing people arguing back and forth and just attacking anybody that was new and saying, like, that I’m a shill for somebody or that this was all planned in advance or something like that.
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Jennifer, if I may really quick here, that’s very common. The reason is a lot of them have already committed to other candidates. Every candidate already has people, followers, who are already committed to attacking posts that are in favor of other people. It’s something they do to create doubt in the minds of the voters ahead of time. In other words, don’t take it personally, and I know you don’t. But don’t take it personally because this is something they do to help their candidates. But like earlier, I know one of them, he follows Jason Mikesell, who seems like a great guy too. And it’s just something they’re going to do. They’re going on there. This is completely something that they actually talk with their teams about. Okay, so you’re going to go out on social media. You’re going to hit all the supporters of this guy, and here’s how you’re going to do it. So it’s normal. But let me ask you this. What do you love about Victor Marks? What… What got you on board so much that you’re already this far ahead of time committed?
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure, sure. Well, and let me caveat this, too. I have not done whatever would be the full political vetting or anything like that. It’s just something, maybe it’s something spiritual and goose bumpy that said, hey, look more at this guy, pay attention.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s fine.
SPEAKER 08 :
But his story of coming up from the childhood abuse that he went through, how he went through all the work to kind of resolve that, how he has led perilous missions to rescue children. from trafficking, and not only just rescue them and get them out and say, see you, bye, but also working to provide and to grow them and all those things. That he’s done that when nobody was looking, that to me is impressive. That to me is impressive.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’re going to talk a little bit more about this even after we hang up with you, Jennifer, and I think what I really want to get into after you hang up is really get into the discussion of, and I’ve said this, I’m going to continue to say this, we have a problem right now in our party. Yeah. Right. Meaning that if anybody else comes along that you’ve even introduced, like a Victor Marx, they are dead set against them without even taking another look at this person. I mean, he’s got to be from big money. He’s got to be some rhino candidate. He’s got to follow the money. He’s got to be this, that or the other. I mean, I’ve seen it all. I’ve read it all. And it’s absolutely asinine, Jennifer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and if we are fighting each other, we can’t fight the real battle.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I mean, and John is talking largely about the Rhino Watchers. Correct. And there are other groups, too. Don’t get me wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re not the only ones, but they are one of them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, let’s look at it this way. On the other end of the spectrum, you have Barb Kirkmeyer, who’s declared, I guarantee you, her followers, who are the opposite of the Rhino Watchers, are probably going to be posting about Richard Marks. Richard, sorry.
SPEAKER 16 :
Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 18 :
Victor Marks. But Richard Marks was very good in music. But about Victor Marks, she’s probably going to be doing that. They’re probably going to be doing that. But this is largely, John and I have watched the Rhino Watchers attack brutally anyone instantly they don’t like, who they see as a threat. And they don’t care about that group. does not care about winning Colorado. They only care about their power within the GOP.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 18 :
They care about securing power within the GOP, securing nominations.
SPEAKER 16 :
Securing their own futures, basically, Jennifer, at the end of the day. Really, I should say this way. On the backs of all of the voters, and they don’t care, I’m convinced, they don’t care at the end of the day whether they win or lose. As long as they stay in power and keep the money bag end of things coming into them, that’s really all they care about at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 18 :
And they see Marx as a threat.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right, they do.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s despicable, and I mean, it’s just despicable to play people like this. It is despicable to think, I’m just in it for me, and I’ll get the things that I want, and too bad, so sad for you. That’s what we’re seeing the result of. I mean, it’s really, in some respects, it’s not Republican versus Democrat or left versus right. It is ruling class versus everybody else. It is. And we’re in fighting with each other. And they’re like, oh, this is fine. We can do fine here. We’ll bet on both sides and we’ll win no matter what. As long as they’re fighting, they’re diminished and we can conquer.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, Jennifer, I will say this. The fact that that group, as one… lashed out at Victor Marks so quickly shows that they see him as a very legitimate threat. It shows that they look at him and say, this guy is easily in the top two or three who could take this nomination. We’ve got to take him out now.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, that’s what it shows. It didn’t take, and Jennifer, you probably saw this as well, and for those listening, It didn’t take, I’m not exaggerating, it didn’t take two or three hours of him announcing and them starting to attack him, Jennifer. I mean, this wasn’t even two or three days or a week or two. I mean, we’re not even that far down the road. We’re just barely a week into it. It didn’t take but just a few hours for them to start that.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that group is fully, Jennifer, fully coordinated. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. They immediately work with each other on who to attack all around the state. So I think it says a lot about Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. And the evil machinations we’re up against.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Yes. And again, and I will say this, and I say this every single time, until we get through a primary and there’s an exact winner, then, of course, I’m going to put my name next to that person, do everything I possibly can to help get them elected. I don’t endorse or do anything on the front side and the primary end of things. I never have. I never will. I mean, I think people can kind of get an idea of who I get behind as we get further along. But I will say this right now. Where we’re at, it’s really early. There’s a lot of names. In fact, I was trying to look up to see actually how many. There was 15. I don’t know where we’re at today, Jennifer. There might be as many as 17 names now on our side of the aisle.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a huge list. Isn’t that wild?
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s that many. And it’ll get all the way down to, of course, just two or three when it’s all said and done. Now, I will say this. No matter who ends up winning. The primary, and for those of you listening, yes, there will be a primary. So no matter who wins the primary, whoever has an R next to their name, I will be 100% behind them in defeating Michael Bennett because he will most likely be the primary candidate, the winner, I should say, on the Democrat side. I will be behind whoever has an R next to their name, regardless of whether I was actually in favor of that person on the front side or not. When it’s all said and done, I’m voting for the R period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure, sure. And I get that, and that’s what I’ve done.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now, really quick, Jennifer, all that being said, do I like Victor? I do. I mean, I like everything about him. I like his background. I like his stance. I like where he comes from. I have a few concerns that I’ll talk about here through the second half of this first hour. Not huge concerns. I think there are things that can be overcome. The biggest thing that Victor needs to be… sure of and i’m going to say this openly and maybe people like you and others can get this message to him because i don’t know him on a personal basis don’t even know who to reach out to to even have a conversation but i think the biggest thing he needs to be careful of is making sure he’s getting guidance campaign wise from the right people do not listen to people that have done this in the past and failed look at this completely new and have really solid strategy moving forward
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s my advice to him.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, and let me add to that, if I will. Go ahead. And then we’ll talk about it after the break. But, Jennifer, Victor Marks, the compelling thing about him is his entire life has been not about Victor Marks but about other people. Okay? He is an others kind of person. Now, Colorado Republican candidates have traditionally talked all about themselves and not about the market. Okay, not about us, not about the people, not about those they hope to serve. They don’t talk about the customer when they’re trying to make a sale, and that’s mistake number one. And so my concern is, while it’s very, very, very inspirational what Victor has done in the past, my concern is I hope he isn’t always talking about himself. He needs to talk about the customer going forward. And I think he will, by the way, but we have had some very recent candidates make that mistake, and it didn’t sell.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
So if you or anybody listening can get some of these messages to him, I mean, we’re here to help any candidate, by the way, and I’ve got advice for a lot of the candidates, frankly. And the issue with me personally, Jennifer, is we’ve got to have a candidate that’s extremely bright. extremely powerful when they’re speaking. They need to be dynamic. They’ve got to be able to answer questions that the press and others would throw at them. They’ve got to be good in debates because those are coming as well. In other words, you’ve got to be able to actually go on air with Kyle Clark and win. That’s my point. I mean that sincerely. That’s a sincere thing I’m saying, and that has to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, right. And I think one of the key components I’m looking for is somebody who will stick to their guns, that will be courageous.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. But keep in mind, being courageous doesn’t win elections. I agree with you and I’m in your camp with what you’re saying. But you have to. Yeah, you have to get elected. You’ve got to be vibrant. You’ve got to be everybody’s friend. You’ve got to be talking to those folks in the middle here in Colorado, especially to let them know this is what I’m going to do for you when I’m governor of Colorado. Right. And you’ve got to be able to do that. If you can’t do that, don’t run. But at least for now, it’s very exciting. I agree. You know, it’s exciting.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s exciting to have a guy. And by the way, I can say this about a few of our candidates. There are some wonderful people on this list. Yeah. But it is exciting.
SPEAKER 08 :
I followed as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah. It’s exciting, though, to have a guy who, honestly, his character is absolutely bulletproof. And that’s a great start.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. I can’t disagree with that at all, Andy. You’re right. Anyways, Jennifer, you keep your chin up. I know that sometimes social media and the folks that are out there can get really antagonizing. I don’t know how else to say it. They attack. It’s ridiculous. I’m sorry that that’s the way it is, but you keep doing what you’re doing and keep posting the things that you’re posting, and we’re on your side.
SPEAKER 08 :
I will. I will. Thank you guys so much. You’re very welcome, Jennifer. It’s an honor to be here today.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, appreciate you very much. Thank you for joining us. And, yeah, that was all organic, folks. We did not, you know, I didn’t reach out to Jennifer and say, hey, why don’t you call in today about your experience on, you know, social media with some of our other knucklehead GOP leaders that are here. And I say leaders. I get it. They’re not necessarily leaders as in they’re not on the quote-unquote executive committee. No, they’re not Britta Horne. No, they’re not the vice chair. I get that, okay? But they are. And it might even be a quasi way of being leaders, but they’re still leaders in the party, Andy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Look, I was at the state central committee meeting. I’m not going to go into it in any depth again, but I will say this. Over 60% of those who were there were the rhino watchers. And I’m telling you what, that’s incredible power over the party at the state level, and that’s a real problem.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we’re going to come back and talk a little bit more about that, Victor, maybe some other candidates as well. I’ll try to see if I can’t get the entire list. I’m sorry, I didn’t know that we were going to really head this exact direction to have the entire list, or I would have had that prep prior to coming on air. But I’ll do my best to find that during the break. Victor Windows and Doors coming up next. And Dave Bancroft is there to help you with your windows and doors, and he can save you money by going direct to the manufacturer. That’s what he does with Provia Windows direct to you. Call him today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 17 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back talking about the governor’s race here in Colorado. Granted, there’s an entire year before this really, you know, before the election, I should say. It will be next November. So it’s a year plus a month, roughly, that we’ve got. But a lot of people are starting early, and rightfully so. So I’ve got a list of all the candidates. This is as of November the 3rd of—or sorry, this is as of last week, I want to say. Okay. This is on ballot— And this gets updated periodically. So if somebody that you do know is running isn’t on here, don’t blame me. Blame them. It’s just not up to date. Go ahead. American Constitution Party, Stephen Hamilton. May I? Let’s just talk Republicans. No, I’m going to list all the people that are running, just really quick. Okay. Kelsey Hyken, No Labels Party. Abbas Yaya. Bomba, No Labels Party. Sean Bennett, Unaffiliated. Willow. Colomar, Unaffiliated. Charles Evanson, Unaffiliated. Marla Fernandez, Unaffiliated. Justin Ganu, Unaffiliated. Shanti Jones, unaffiliated. Marcus Marty, unaffiliated. Jarvis Ray, unaffiliated. Bradley Wall, unaffiliated. Matthew Yaris, unaffiliated. On the Democrat side, of course, Michael Bennett, Carmen Brosder, David Hughes, Anthony Martinez, William Moses, Daniel Thomas, and of course, Phil Weiser. That race will come down to Michael Bennett and Phil Weiser. That first list, by the way, nobody there will win. amount to anything. No, they will not. But I mentioned them anyways. And there’ll be some, by the way, that are even on this Republican list that won’t go very far either. Mark Baisley, Scott Bottom, so I’ve interviewed both of them. Bob Brinkerhoff, John Brooks, Jason Ray Clark, Bryson Garrison, Stephen Guess, John Gay Ginsburg, Joshua Griffin, Barb Kirkmeyer, Greg Lopez, who’s ran many times for governor of Colorado. Rabin or Rabin Mahanty, Vaughn Marks, which again is Victor Marks, which we just talked about. Will McBride, Jason. Mike Ursell, Robert Moore, and Alex Magatu, Katie Pierce, Jim Rundberg, and Kevin Wimbley. So on the Republican side alone, we have got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Yeah. I think I said that yesterday that we had 20 candidates.
SPEAKER 18 :
But we’re not going to have 20 when it comes next June.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, no, no.
SPEAKER 18 :
By next June, you’re only going to have four or five that are even mentioned in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let’s hope.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and let’s face it. What are the big ones? Okay, I believe you’ve interviewed two of them. Bazley and Bottoms, I think, are both going to be.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, Mark and Scott are big.
SPEAKER 18 :
They’re both going to have their contingent.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Clark, maybe he’s done some things politically speaking in the past. Is he a good runner-up as far as actually making it through a few things? Probably. Barb Kirkmeyer, she’s got her own fan base, so she’ll be one of those that will also be up there. Greg Lopez, of course, will be up there. So you may have four or five, to your point, that will actually make it all the way through next summer.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and you’re also going to have some who draw off of each other.
SPEAKER 16 :
And hang on. I forgot. We also have Marks now. So that’ll be the sixth. And I forgot about the sheriff of… Was that Mike Sell? Yeah. Yeah. So you got him as well. So I forgot about him. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And I like him.
SPEAKER 16 :
I like Jason Mike Sell. But here’s… Actually, really quick. I like all of them. Oh. No, I do too. If there’s anything about them that I don’t like, I’ll say this publicly. And Barb, I love you and I’ve interviewed you, but sorry, Barb, you’re in it for yourself. And I’ve met you many times and I can get that vibe from you just by sitting across the table. Barb’s in it for Barb. Sorry, I’m just going to be honest. Guys, you know me. I’ve always liked Barb. I like Barb, but Barb’s in it for Barb. Barb, you’re not in it for the people of Colorado. I’m sorry to say that. You just aren’t. I’ve known you. I’ve watched what you’ve done, your actions. You are a true politician through and through, and unfortunately, that’s not going to bode well getting across the finish line in your own party.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, you know what? I’m going to give you a slight bit of disagreement here. Okay. Not that I know Barb personally enough to make that call. I don’t. But I know a lot of people who hear John Rush… and who think he’s so businesslike, he’s so driven, that this is obviously not a guy who is personally invested in other people. They don’t know John Rush behind the microphone.
SPEAKER 16 :
No.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, without the microphone. Right. And I think that that could very well be true of Barb, too. Could.
SPEAKER 01 :
Could.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that’s all I’m saying. Her public persona, though, I would say she is very businesslike. She is a politician through and through.
SPEAKER 16 :
She is.
SPEAKER 18 :
She’s very smooth, very skilled. And it does come off like, you know, I’m not that personal. She is the anti-Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Okay. Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 18 :
Victor Marx is this just instant connection with your heart.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Your soul. Okay. By the way, we have not had that in a candidate here before. And I don’t know how long.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, we have not.
SPEAKER 18 :
He is a totally unique animal when it comes to adding into this field. One of the big things that I think is going to be interesting is how the various people in this field affect each other. First of all, I’m just going to say right out, I think Victor Marks wipes Barb right off the map. He’s going to take away from her support dramatically. He has a much more inspirational theme, and yet he is going to be accepted by her more establishment wing of the party. Victor Marks also appeals to both wings of the party, which is going to be a real problem for some people. I think Greg Lopez and Scott Bottoms and Mark Baisley all hurt each other quite a bit.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and we can talk about each one of those. And by the way, I’ve known Mark, by the way, forever. Love Mark dearly. He’s a great guy. And he’s skilled. As far as his principles and his ability and all of that, he is as solid as it gets. There’s not a thing that I would ever worry about Mark wavering on. He’s a guy that can get things done and handled. Scott, Scott’s a great guy. The problem is with Scott, and Scott, I love you dearly, and I’ve interviewed you as well. You’re too much like me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Scott Bottoms, his personal views are too much like Andy Pate and John Rush. He can’t get elected. I don’t think he can possibly get elected outside of a deep red district.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I love the guy.
SPEAKER 18 :
And really quick here before we go to Mary on the line. Right now, who do I think is the safest-looking candidate on here? It’s Mark Baisley. Who do I think is the most exciting-looking candidate on here? It’s Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
So we’ll see how it goes going forward.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right. Mary, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m good. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m good. Hi, Mary. Hi. I was doing a little grocery shopping, happened to turn on the radio, heard you talking about Victor Marks and the other candidates. I have a couple things I wanted to say about it in terms of the election that’s coming up. It’s going to be super intense. I feel like Victor Marks is the, you said, exciting candidate, but I think it’s more than that. I think he has a history of battle in a lot of different arenas, and I think the contest that’s coming up is going to be pretty intense. And I feel like the Democratic Party has gained a ton of ground. They don’t want to give up this state. They will pour everything into keeping hold of this state.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Agreed. And in terms of the other candidates that are running, I know Scott Bottoms, he’s doing amazing work, and he’s very conservative, and I believe he’s authentic.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do I believe he could take the state? Nope, not for one second. Agreed. I don’t believe at this point in time… That’s possible. But Victor Marks, he has enough name recognition that people are going to be paying attention. And you know what? You don’t. necessarily have to be the greatest Republican governor ever. You just have to be better than, you could be the worst Republican governor and still be better than the current Democratic governor. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
Really quick, Mary, to go along with what you just said, you could rattle off, sorry, I could take anybody that I rattled off on that list, the top five or six candidates I just rattled off, any of those are better than what we have right now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Indeed. Any of them are. Can they beat the next Democratic potential? No, that’s the problem. No, they can’t. Well, Mary, really quick here.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sorry to interrupt, but I want to hear more of what you’re saying. But honestly, what I hear you saying is this. We cannot choose a candidate because he agrees with me the most. We have to win. Whoever he or she is, this candidate has to win a majority of voters in a blue-leaning state. Okay, that’s the candidate who has to win. They have to appeal beyond the base. And I mean well beyond the base. Half the state’s voters are unaffiliated. That’s what we have to be looking at in a candidate.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think he can get that in terms of when you talk about women, because the relationship with his wife, he promotes that a lot. And with the military, he promotes that a lot. He promotes safety. He’s promoting safety. Conservative ideas, yes, that I think a lot of people, especially in the current climate, just recently with the Charlie Kirk, how do I, well, execution is the word that I would use. He was executed. You’re right. Currently with that climate, I feel like Victor Marx is… vocal enough and strong enough and unafraid to challenge anybody who comes his direction. He will say what he thinks, and people like that, they’re going to be drawn to that, kind of like Trump. Way back when he was first running, so many people I talked to, they were like, I can’t vote for Trump, I can’t vote for Trump. Yeah, you can, and you need to, and I talked to everybody I possibly could, and because he was going to be the candidate because he was logical and he made sense. There were a lot of, let’s say, Christians who were like, oh, no, no. But that actually, I believe Trump is being used for the Republican Party to move it forward in the right direction. Do I agree with everything? No. Does anybody agree with everything everybody does? No, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
But if you have a candidate that’s strong and vocal and… There’s some power there. There’s some name recognition there. And I think he can do it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. And by the way, he’s very different from Trump. And that’s a good thing in Colorado because Trump got, let’s face it, he got blown out in Colorado both times. Okay. Trump would not sell in Colorado. We already know that.
SPEAKER 07 :
He doesn’t. Well, yeah, yeah. The elections that went on. No, there were some shady stuff going on, but whatever.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, no, no, no, no. I’m fine with saying there was some shady stuff, but not enough to account for that that large a disparity in the numbers. Here’s the basic thing, though. Victor Marx is much more soft spoken than Trump. And that actually sells better in a state like Colorado than Trump would. And every politician has places where they sell best. Trump is magnificent in the upper Midwest, for instance, where Republicans have been getting creamed for years. Trump sells great there. So different politicians just sell better in different areas of the country. I think if Victor Marx would sell better in Colorado than Trump.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. And if we can… If we can get enough people to get behind one candidate instead of splitting things and really dividing. I mean, it seems to me like there’s so many people that are in want to be governor. But let me say this. There are some people who’ve been in the race in politically in the race. And they’re like, oh, Mr. Marks, you’re thanks for coming on board. But you’re a little late. You’re just now showing up. I 100 percent disagree with that. Maybe not, you know, as a candidate, but oh, he’s not too late. I mean, there’s not at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s a year out, Mary. People that are saying that are knuckleheads. They don’t have any idea what they’re talking about. Even politically speaking, they don’t know what they’re talking about. He’s got plenty of time. He’s fine.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, actually, I think being an outsider is kind of an advantage.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s fine. There’s no issues there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. It’s going to be great.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now, the other thing I would like to see, before I let you go, Mary, and this I’d like to see, for all of you listening, any of you that have connections to any of the candidates, I want to pledge, Mary, from every single Republican candidate that says this. Yep. If I lose in the primary… I will put my full support upon that primary winner, no matter who that person ends up being, whether I like them, don’t like them. But I will, and I will get my supporters to agree to do the exact same thing, that at the end of the day, whoever has an R next to their name, we are in full support of them. I want every campaign to say that and to pledge that. And by the way, you’re not going to get that done, but that’s what I want.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, and John and I will unofficially call this the anti-Ron Hanks pledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. I want these people pledging their support for whoever wins the primary, Mary.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. I’m sure you’re going to voice that in the next year to come.
SPEAKER 16 :
I also could see some candidates that are on that list grabbing their supporters or having some people that are maybe, you know, maybe not them, by the way, but some of their supporters saying, oh, yeah, there’s no way I can support that rhino. There’s no way I’m doing that. And then we lose. There’s no way we’re going to win if that happens.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, OK, that sounds absurd to me, because if there’s anybody who’s not a, quote, rhino, who is a Republican in name only and votes against Republican ideas and Republican philosophies, that would be absurd because everything Victor Marx has shown that I’ve seen for the past years is very typically Republican focused.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agreed. You are correct, but you need to go read some of the social media stuff that Andy and I are reading because that’s not the way a lot of the folks inside the party look at it, Mary.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, well, sir. There are people out there right now, even today. I’m going to tell as many people who will listen.
SPEAKER 16 :
You need to, because there are people out there today commenting on Jennifer’s post, who was just on a moment ago, commenting on the fact that, you know, Victor must be, you know, a plant. He’s got to be, you know, he’s got to be there by the rhinos. It’s big money. It’s this. It’s that. I’ve heard so many things, Mary, in the last week. I want to throw up, and I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure you’re right. It’s ridiculous. And that kind of goes back to my point that we talked about or that I mentioned earlier about him being in the midst of battle and not just not just in like literal battle in a battlefield in war, but battlefield field of ideas, battlefield of different people having different concepts. When you talk about Christianity, people don’t like to talk about that. I think he will. I think he will do it in a wise way where he doesn’t alienate. non-Christians, where it’s just logical, logical morality. And hey, we can’t do this, et cetera, fill in the blank.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree. I agree. And I’m with you, Mary. I think that I was excited when I saw it. In fact, as soon as it was announced, I sent Andy a text. He can verify that. And I said, hey, check this guy out. I think this might be an actual solid candidate moving forward. Andy and I started doing some investigative. We’ll talk a little bit more about that through the show today. But Mary, you and Jennifer both, I can’t disagree with either one of you at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, thank you, friend.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re very welcome, Mary. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work. Keep talking about it, and we will see how things proceed. Let’s take a break. We’ll come back. We’ve got plenty to talk about. We’re not going anywhere, by the way. Anybody else that wants to comment on this, we’ll have a little bit of time left in this hour. Then I’ve only got a couple of guests through the next hour each, and we’ll have plenty of time to talk about this and many other topics as well. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith, talk to Al today. Go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 17 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Several text messages coming in, by the way. Some saying that there’s no way that a person like Victor could win Colorado. I highly disagree with that, by the way. It’s all going to depend upon how he handles things moving forward. Somebody else said that we need a Trump-like candidate because that’s the kind of candidate we need in Colorado, that things here have changed. No, folks, I’m sorry. It hasn’t changed that much in Colorado. Trump performed very poorly there. in the last election here in Colorado would perform poorly again if that election were held today. While we have seen some shifts in Colorado and some folks are wanting some differences, they still don’t want a Trump.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know what’s really frustrating for me is when we tell people the market here is not conducive to that product.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s not.
SPEAKER 18 :
People take it as we are anti-Trump. This really angers me. I am MAGA through and through. I have MAGA through my veins. I think Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime, and it’s not close at this point. I am Trump, Trump, Trump. Folks, I’m one voter, okay? I am not all the voters of Colorado. I’m sorry, but overall, the unaffiliateds here in Colorado who are half the state’s voters, they lean left. They do not like Trump on average, and every single poll shows that. I’ve never seen Trump. anywhere near having a positive outcome here in the polling in Colorado. That’s just the way it is. Now, a few things really quick here about Victor Marks, because he could get tripped up. One thing you’ve already mentioned very well, consultants. If Victor Marx is taken over by the same kind of consultants who ran the campaigns of like Stapleton, Beaupre, Ganahl, look, all of those wonderful people. I love all three people. OK, I do. But all three of those candidates, what did they do? They talked about themselves and not the customer. All three of them did. Not the market. They did not go to the market and say, this is what you want. You deserve this. You deserve this. You deserve this. You deserve this. Every one of them talked about what? Here’s my past. Here’s what I did in my life. And here’s my inspirational story. And they tried to go on that. And everybody, you know what the market was saying? you’re asking me to buy a product. Can we talk about me and the product? Right. Okay. Right. That’s not going to sell. So first of all, don’t go with those consultants. Number two, if he has a misstep on a major issue, let’s say he says he wants to outlaw abortion in cases of rape.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t think he ever will, by the way. I don’t either. I think he’s smarter than that.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m using that as an outlandish example, okay? But if he were to say that, that’d be the end.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I agree. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, you know, you have to, you could say, well, you know, but I believe that the child is just as valuable, the child of rape. Guess what? I agree with you.
SPEAKER 16 :
I do too.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m talking about what sells in Colorado.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think what he’ll come back and say, just kind of listening to him and I can’t put words in his mouth, but I think he’d be the kind of guy to say he he’ll pivot. He’ll come back and say, you know what, Andy, great question, but here’s the deal. We love people. And, and as much as I, you know, I really want to make sure that that particular situation, that girl, by the way, in this case, who may have suffered something along those lines, number one, I’ve helped individuals like that. I’ve helped people get out of those particular situations. I’ve helped girls that have been enslaved in those situations. The reality is I’ve been there. I’ve seen it. I’ve been next to them.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that’s the difference with Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s what he’ll have. No one else will have, by the way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. He connects with people’s hearts. We have not had a candidate who connects with people’s hearts from the Republican side in any major race in Colorado for how long?
SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, to finish that story, I think what he’ll also add into that is let me tell you a story about a girl that I knew that found herself in the exact same situation as that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, but he better not do it too much. You do too much of that, people are going to say you’re dodging it.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’ll only have to do it once or twice because then he’ll be able to say, you know what, I’ve answered that question in full. Let’s move on to the next question.
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think, by the way, this is some of the things to your point a moment ago. These are things that he’s going to have to be coached on to do this correctly, because the old way of doing it’s not going to work, folks.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. You know, you’ve got people calling in or saying we need somebody like Trump. Actually, what we need is somebody much more like Vance.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Vance sells much better beyond the base to the Colorado kind of voter. And here’s another big thing. And if I were Victor or people around Victor, I’d be telling him, study Vance and study Rubio and how they interact in interviews and how they interact in debate.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, even Vivek has come out late and said, listen, we can’t respond to the left like we have been.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’ve got to be doing this differently if we’re going to continue to win hearts and minds.
SPEAKER 18 :
By the way, Vivek is another great example.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so Vivek, those three, really. And I would toss in DeSantis. He’s a little, you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s a little more Trump-ish.
SPEAKER 18 :
A little more Trump-ish, but he also does do some incredible things. Look, Victor Marx is a very inspirational story. Let’s close with this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 18 :
Can Victor Marks reach people that traditional Republican candidates in Colorado have not reached?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Yes, he can.
SPEAKER 18 :
Does he raise our chances of reaching beyond the base and winning in Colorado? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
If he gets good advice and stays on track, yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. But if he has those consultants get him into running the same kind of campaign we’ve seen and just trying to package that campaign around his personal story, he’ll get clobbered.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, he will.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s not going to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re right. You’re right. And let me add one more thing to that. If he gets enough people around him that get him worrying too much about pacifying some that are on the right— He also loses. He’s got to do what he needs to do to reach the middle. I think the right, you can get to come along as you let people like us work on some that are on the right and let Victor work on the middle. I think that’s a winning strategy. Don’t worry about the right. Let us worry about the right. Victor, you go get the middle. Right. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, it does make sense. In other words, don’t alienate the Rhino Watch crowd, but don’t throw yourself on the floor bowing down to the Rhino Watch crowd.
SPEAKER 16 :
You can’t do it. And here’s what I’m going to say.
SPEAKER 18 :
Look, the Rhino Watch crowd doesn’t sell in Colorado at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
And here’s what I’m going to say about that. Sorry, Rhino Watch crowd. If Victor reaches across… the middle and gets enough middle of the road voters enough enough of those unaffiliated voters to vote for him here’s the reality your vote doesn’t matter anyways it won’t it won’t count because there’s not enough of you to make any difference i hate to say that but you well actually i’m glad to say that andy you don’t make a difference at the end of the day no you think you do but you don’t
SPEAKER 18 :
No, because they’re trying to sell rage, and rage only sells to a small percentage of the population in Colorado. It’s not going to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it won’t work. So I do think that’s one thing that I would advise Victor to do. So, again, some of you that are listening, that know him, that even have called in and talked about it, if you’ve got any way, shape, or form of getting close to him and giving him some advice, there’s our advice for him. All right, we’ve got two more hours coming your way. That was a fast first hour. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you. I’m a rich guy.
