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Join host John Rush as he delves into the fascinating world of coin collections and estate planning with expert guest David Gonzalez from Mile High Coin. Discover how coin collecting is more than just a hobby — it’s a way to connect with family history, build wealth, and prepare for the future. Whether you’re an experienced collector or just getting started, this episode provides valuable insights into how coin collections can play a pivotal role in estate planning discussions, helping families make informed decisions about their valuable assets.
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And happy Monday. Welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Hopefully you had a great weekend. And with me today, starting things off, is David Gonzalez, Mile High Coin. David, how are you? I’m good, John. How about yourself? I’m always good, and I always love hearing and seeing you because there’s always something I learned that I didn’t know prior. So, yeah. So what do you want to focus on today? Mile High Coin, I guess for those maybe tuning in for the first time, who is Mile High Coin?
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Well, Mile High Coin, obviously, as the name implies, we work with coin collections and been in the business. I just celebrated my 36th anniversary in August. Good for you. So I was a 19-year-old college intern. with a small Christian coin company, a guy by the name of Don McElvaney, I’m sure. Oh, yeah, I know Don. And I worked for him. It was supposed to be a summer gig, stuffing mail packets turned into a 10-year gig. And so I’ve been in the gold and silver business that long. Certainly coin collections, we work with a lot of jewelry, which maybe we can talk a little bit about today. Um, we also dabble in lots of other different types of things, other types of collectibles. And in our line of work, we really, we live in the estate world. Um, we work with about 150 estate planning attorneys. Um, you know, the coin collections that are 5,000 bucks and the coin collections that are 5 million bucks. So, and everywhere in between.
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Wow.
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So, um, It’s more of a consultative type approach. We separate ourselves from the average pawn.
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You’re not a pawn shop.
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No, no.
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I say that all the time. I want to make sure people really understand that one thoroughly. You’re not in the strip mall or on the corner with the bars on the windows and people bringing stuff in and cashing out. That’s not what you guys do.
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Yeah, it’s a professional environment. It’s safe. You come into the office, into our conference room. We evaluate what you have and You know, people liquidate when they’re ready to liquidate. And oftentimes, you know, with estate planning, you’re having to have all the siblings agree and attorneys are involved.
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Good point.
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Oftentimes, people just need to wrap their minds around what they have. Do I have something that’s worth $1,000 or do I have something that’s worth $20,000? And so information is key. Knowledge is important when you get into that kind of stuff. So important just to wrap your mind around what it is you have and what the value is. Right. So, yeah, that’s kind of who we are and what we do.
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And my suggestion for a lot of you listening, especially those of you where you might have multiple family members involved in the case of something happening to you. And again, not telling you what to do. You guys all do what you need to. But I can just tell you that it’s a whole lot easier to divvy up cash. and decide where that needs to go as opposed to divvying up stuff. In other words, you may have a bunch of stuff and you’ve kept it. And you, by the way, have this conversation with your kids and just say, hey, are these things you guys are really going to want? Are you going to just quick go turn this into cash if something happens to us? Happens to me. Because if that’s the case, do it now. Go ahead and do it on your own.
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Certainly. And I had a couple of cases in the last month or so where somebody came in and, you know, mom or dad was in assisted living. And unfortunately, things tend to disappear. And so, yeah, dealing with that stuff ahead of time is much better. And that way you’re involved with it and you can say, hey, this is where this came from. And, you know, sometimes the story behind it can be helpful for the family members, too, because there are times that people pass things on. The kids never knew that it. that they had it. Right. And so it just shows up. Right.
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Yeah. No, I know you are a thousand percent. Again, we’ve been going through a bunch of stuff from my folks and most people know my story with, you know, my mom passing away roughly a year ago and now my dad’s in memory care now. And yeah, just going through and finding things that quite honestly, either you knew and you forgot or you didn’t know at all were there. And so now you’re digging through all of these things. And, and, and again, my point is, If you’re getting into those later years of life and there’s really – just ask your kids. They may want things. They may not want things. And it’s a whole lot easier to deal with cash, especially for them, than it is for them to have to go deal with the stuff. Because keep in mind, they’ve got a lot of other things they’ll be dealing with already. And I think a lot of times, David, people think, well, I’ll just pass that on to the kids. Well, that’s great, but what if the kids really don’t want it? And most of the time they don’t. Exactly. What was an heirloom to you may not be to them.
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Yeah. And you think about, for example, jewelry. You know, somebody’s going to have to really like that piece. They’re going to have to be the same size.
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It comes in and out of style as well, right? Depending upon the piece, right?
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Absolutely. And then, you know, something that has wear on it. It may have some sentimental value, but do they really like that piece to wear it themselves?
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Correct.
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And more times than not, they don’t.
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Well, and I’ve read, too, and I don’t know how true this is. You would know this better than I, but I’ve read that the younger generations aren’t really into a lot of the higher-end jewelry pieces. Some are, but most are not, meaning that in a lot of cases, they’re probably not going to do anything with it other than turn it into cash.
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Yeah, I think they call it minimalism, and it’s certainly a trend with younger people. They don’t want the stuff. Which, you know what, teach his own.
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That’s up to them. You can’t create a want in someone if they don’t want it in the first place.
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Very well said. Yeah, very well said. The other thing, too, is I had a case recently where a person came in with a fair amount of jewelry and they almost didn’t come in. We had the conversation over the phone and. David, we don’t want to waste your time. We’ve got costume jewelry, most of it’s costume, but we’re not entirely sure. And I’m sure glad they did come in because we wrote them over a $10,000 check. They had no idea. And as you and I were talking before the show started, gold is setting records right now. Gold is as high as it’s ever been. And so a little pile of gold that was worth $1,000 a year ago, we were just talking, it’s doubled now. And so that stuff, people are amazed at, you know, even a little pile of gold, a couple of rings and a couple of necklaces. And, you know, they’re walking out with a couple thousand dollars. So again, just to know what you have, what the value of it is, even if you’re not quite ready to part ways, at least you have kind of a context for what’s there. And then, you know, you can let your family know too. You know, I have this and is anybody interested in it? And Maybe they will be.
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The point being, first things first, folks. I always go by that phrase. I try to teach my clients to do the same thing, David. First things first. First things first. Figure out what you have. What is its actual value? And then determine, okay, I’ve got this stuff. I’ve got this much quote-unquote money that’s sitting here. What do we then want to do with it? And do I want to keep it? Do I want to wait and see what happens in the market? Do I want to cash out? Well, once you have that number, you can now start making those decisions. It’s hard to make those decisions on the front side without knowing that.
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And, excuse me, also, you know, sometimes people do some creative things. You know, I had a lady once sell some valuables that she had, and she took her family on a weekend getaway up in the mountains to see the colors. So it might be not just, you know, oh, I don’t need the money for that. But it might be just an occasion to connect with your family, utilize that stuff. But it’s fun because, you know, a lot of this stuff was purchased when gold was $50 an ounce.
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Well, we talked about this in the past, and I want to remind folks that for some of you, and trust me when I say this, believe me when I say this. The memories that you make with your family will far outlive any stuff you might actually leave them. What I mean by that is you might take all of what David just said, do one of those trips, do a cruise, do something along those lines where you take the kids and the grandkids to Disney World or something along those lines. And the memories from that trip will far outlive any item, including cash. You leave them. And I know they may not look at it that way, but trust me when I say this, they will down the road, look back on that as well, because it’s those memories that they’ll look back on with you and remember not the stuff.
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Indeed. Yeah. I, that, that is so true. And again, you just start looking in the nooks and crannies of the jewelry boxes and the desk drawers and the this and the that. And it’s, It adds up quickly.
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Yeah, this little gold necklace, that little pennant, this coin, that coin. I mean, before you know it, you’ve got several ounces worth of gold potentially at the end of the day. And with it being, what, $3,500, $3,600 an ounce right now, it doesn’t take long to get to $10,000.
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Yeah, I had another case. A gentleman came in, and it was his grandfather’s money clip. And he just really didn’t think much about it. And the way that the money clip was in the jewelry box, he could just see the clip part of it, but he didn’t realize that there was a $20 gold piece in the front of the money clip, which is not quite an ounce. It’s .9675 ounces pure gold. So his money clip had over $3,000 worth of gold in it.
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Wow. Again, folks, first things first, find out what it’s worth. It’s free appraisals for Rush to Reason and KLZ listeners. So just call David, set up an appointment. And as I keep saying, and I’ll continue to say this, This isn’t a pawn shop. You’re not going into some shady part of town and trying to make sure you’re wearing the dark glasses before you head in and the hat and the coat and all of that. No, this is all very professional, making sure that things are very safe and secure. And I had this question that I was going to ask you this because I got a question on the text line the other day, and I think I answered it correctly. In fact, I know I answered it correctly. And that was, okay, wait a minute. There may be times where we have to leave some items with David to make sure that we’re getting the right appraisal and so on and so forth. How trustworthy is David? And I’m like, well, first of all, with me, I wouldn’t be having this affiliation, having him on my program on a regular basis if I didn’t have full trust. And on top of that, you’re insured, bonded. There’s all sorts of other things that you as a business have to go through to make that happen. So rest assured, folks, if you have to leave something behind, it’s in good hands is my point.
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Yeah, and actually that doesn’t happen very often. You know, I’m kind of a stickler on chain of custody things. So unless it’s a very unusual circumstance.
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Some outside the box piece, right?
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Yeah. And I can do a lot with pictures. Okay. So if I have to do some research on something. um so it would have to be something out of the ordinary for me to ask you to part ways with your collection even you know for example if a person comes in with um silver coins you know bags of it old quarters times and half dollars um our work room is different than our our conference room so i’ll even have people accompany me into our work room and they can Watch the coins go through the coin counter. Just again, we don’t want there ever to be a question. And yes, our reputation speaks for itself. We’ve never had a complaint. We’re A-plus rated with the Better Business Bureau, accredited. We have a secondhand dealer’s license with the city, and I’ve never had litigation. And we’ve got more Google ratings than any coin company in Colorado, and we just don’t get complaints. I also wanted to say just about the office itself. From a security standpoint, we actually have two offices. And we don’t publish the office address where we meet with clients. So if somebody walks in off the street, they won’t know where we are. They’ll go to our other office, and it’s by design. So you can feel safe. I did have a gentleman that brought in a fair amount of gold last week, and most of his questions pertained around that. Coming into the office, I’m carrying a quarter million dollars worth of gold. I just want to make sure that I’m not… being scoped out and that kind of thing.
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No, and that, you know, for everybody listening, that can be a real concern. So definitely, definitely. I don’t know that I understand this question. Is David a
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numismatist yeah what is that word what is that numismatist yeah a coin grader uh you know somebody who knows a lot about coins and yeah i just learned something i didn’t know before where they come up with the names i have no idea like a stamp collector is a philatelist okay you know a coin guy is a numismatist yeah we definitely pay attention to the details of the coins um You know, we call it the three-legged stool. It’s the date, the mint mark, and the condition. And usually people can identify the dates and the mints. I mean, you can put your nose in a book or Google. But when it comes to actually grading that coin, figuring out what condition that coin is, but the answer is yes.
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Okay.
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What about sterling silver? Somebody asked about that. Sterling silver, we buy a lot of it. So whether it’s flatware, T-sets, candlestick holders, all that kind of stuff. And then obviously the sterling jewelry. But I probably buy four to five silverware sets a week. And believe me, you know, all depends on the set, how heavy it is. You have some sets that have more metal in each spoon or fork or whatever. And actually, you can identify that stuff as sterling if you turn over any of the pieces except the knives. And they’re going to say on the back, so get a magnifying glass. And if you see the word sterling or you’ll see the word 925, that’s what sterling is. It’s 92.5% pure sterling. And you’ll also see things on it if you see the word plated or EPNS, electroplated nickel silver. But that’s a good place to start. And if you don’t want to do that, just bring it in. I don’t charge to go through it. But the weight of that stuff, I mean, when you’re talking about a silverware set, it can add up in a hurry. I’ll bet. All right. How do they get a hold of you? What’s the best way to do that? You can call us, 720-370-3400. Again, 720-370-3400. You can also visit our website, milehighcoin.com.
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As I say, always learn something when you’re here. I appreciate it greatly. All right, John, enjoy it. Thanks, David. Appreciate it very much. And let’s do them next. Charlie, can you do that switch around really quick, and we’ll just play David’s commercial next. And again, yeah, if you want to go in, it’s free appraisals for Rush to Reason and KLZ listeners, 720-370-3400.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560 Fridays. Impossible question was what book or what was the book? Not saying this right. Why was the book Green Eggs and Ham banned from China from 65 to 91? It was banned because of its portrayal of early Marxism. So it was banned because of its portrayal of early Marxism, which I did not know. Today’s impossible question. Again, answer this on our Rush to Reason Facebook page. Oscar Wilde has been quoted as saying, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of blank. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. but the highest form of blank. That is the question of the day. All right. A lot of stuff went on over the weekend. In fact, I was here, of course, for Drive Radio, Fix It Radio on Saturday, and there was a lot of things that were still coming out in regards to, you know, Charlie Kirk and his assassination and the particular individual that… committed that heinous crime, and read all sorts of things through the weekend. And again, folks, Andy and I will talk a little bit more about this tomorrow, but there is still, despite what a lot of folks out there might think, still a lot of unknowns. For example, New York Post put out, I believe over the weekend, this was yesterday, Charlie Kirk’s assassination suspect had a furry fixation and his trans boyfriend proclaimed support for Biden on social media. Now, again, that is an article coming out of the New York Post. Can I verify any of that? No, no more than any of you can. And there’ll be a lot more things come out. Now, a lot of other things I read over the weekend, which I did want to focus on because there’s still a lot of information coming out, is just all of, and I’m just going to say it, all of the nonsense when it comes to conspiracy theories that I’ve already read. Oh, my word. It’s ridiculous. I mean, everything from, you know, the Mossad from Israel had something to do with it. You know, Putin, it was all his fault. He’s the one that set this up. This guy’s nothing more than a paid actor. It was a psyop that was inside government and on and on we go. And I know I see them every single time something like this happens. And I get there’s a lot of distrust in government in general. I understand that. I really do. I feel that. Feel your pain, I guess I could say. And I’m not pointing to my listeners in regards to this, because I think the majority of you are very level-headed and don’t buy into a lot of the nonsense that’s out there. But I read a lot of stuff on social media, and I’ve got close to, I don’t know, I want to say 5,000 or so followers on my own personal page. And so I get a lot of stuff that comes into my feed, quote-unquote. A lot of it is news, but I get a lot of stuff that comes into my feed on a daily basis. And I read… Just, I guess, for entertainment, a lot of the nonsense that gets posted, and it literally is nonsense, because there’s no factual basis for what gets read. I mean, I have seen so many quote-unquote experts—I put that in quotes because they’re not— claiming that they know this and they know that and there’s no way that he missed. And, you know, he was shooting it. You know, he was aiming for this portion of Charlie’s body, but it ended up here and so on and so forth. And, I mean, I have seen it all over the weekend. To the point where I try to tune as much of that out as I can because I don’t want to be jaded one way or the other by things that I read or see, so I try not to even watch much along those lines because it’s just garbage. And there’s a ton of it out there. Do I know exactly what happened? All I can tell you is what I saw on video. He definitely was shot in the neck. That was very apparent. And all of the people out there saying that, well, you know, this kid didn’t do it. There had to be more than one shooter. He had to have had help. You know, we watch him walk off of the roof and you don’t see a gun with him and this, that, and the other. And first of all, folks, those images, those CCTV images are so blurry in most cases. Good luck on that. Good luck. A ring camera in some cases has better image quality than some of these CCTV cameras have. And, you know, what were his motives? There was a lot that came out even on Friday in regards to his motives and some of the folks that he followed. I mean, bottom line, he’s a very disturbed individual, of course. The true part of the story is the fact that he did, in fact, confess to a clergyman, which one I don’t know, his— I believe his father, I think his family are Mormons. Am I correct in saying that, Charlie, I believe? Yes, his family, they’re Mormons. And his dad is the one that basically drove him in and to basically confess to the murder itself, to the assassination, which I can’t imagine as a father what that trip was like or how he’s even feeling now. The biggest thing that these sorts of individuals don’t realize is is they don’t just ruin the life of the person whose life they took. In other words, that family and all that are involved in that, Charlie’s Kirk family and extended family, not only do they ruin their lives, but they ruin their own family’s life. And maybe I’m weird in how I think about these things, and it’s a tragic, tragic loss what happened with Charlie and his family. Believe me, I fully get that, and I’m not trying to minimize that in any way, shape, or form. You guys all know my thoughts, and I talked about this last week in detail. But there’s now another family affected by this. That, frankly, had nothing to do from from everything I can see and the things that I’ve read and so on. I don’t think this kid grew up in any kind of a troubled home or anything along those lines. Dad was a 20 year sheriff. You know, I get it. Law enforcement can have its own issues. And I fully understand that those of you that are in law enforcement know exactly what I’m talking about. But at the end of the day, this kid didn’t grow up in a troubled home. You know what caused him to do this? I don’t know. He’s not cooperating with officials. That’s one thing I did read this morning. He’s not cooperating, so I’m not sure in some of these situations, some of these answers we’ll ever get. I don’t know. We may never know what some of his true motives were. And again, there’s a lot of rumors surrounding who he followed, who he hung out with, what he did, all of these different things. And what I would tell you is the same thing Charlie always cautions me on. Take every single one of those with a grain of salt right now. Because we just don’t know. The more time goes by, the more digging is done, and the more details we start to find, the more that they find their way to the surface, I guess you could say, then the more we’ll know. It’s still really early. It hasn’t been a week yet. And as time goes by more and more details will come out. And, and again, I can’t answer the questions as to, and I, I won’t use this person’s name. I don’t want to give him any more credibility than is needed. You can find his name by, by reading any of the publications that are out there. And again, I don’t know anything about his live in transgender boyfriend, meaning, I guess he’s a boy. turning into a girl, right? Charlie, make sure I say that correctly. So it’s what he thinks is a girl, but still a dude. But he’s not gay or is he? I can’t answer that. That’s way above my pay grade. So bottom line, as I always say, and Andy and I will be very careful of this even tomorrow, there’s a lot of details we don’t know. In fact, what Andy and I will most likely focus on tomorrow is, you know, what are some of the next steps for the whole Turning Point USA organization and, you know, who fills the shoes and what do they need to do to keep unity inside of their organization moving forward? Because Charlie was the – all leaders, by the way, are the nucleus of doing that. And, you know, what happens with them moving forward? We’ll get into some of that tomorrow. And believe me, we won’t go into some of the areas that we just don’t have – you know, factual evidence on. And my point with all of you is, you know, please don’t share anything. Don’t forward anything. Don’t post anything unless you know it to be true. And I see a lot of people out there posting a lot of conspiracy theory nonsense. And it is just that nonsense because you can’t prove it. So until you can, and I, again, I understand the whole distrust of government. I understand that. I get that. But until you know for sure that’s really the answer, don’t go down that path. Just don’t. Just ignore it. Don’t worry about it. Move forward. There’s so many more things to worry about in regards to this. And I know some of you are going to come back and say, well, yeah, but, John, if it really is an internal thing in the government, shouldn’t we know about that and tell others and so on? Folks, I don’t trust the government. I mean, I love Donald Trump dearly. I love his cabinet. I love the people that are in charge. But do I trust government? No. No, and this doesn’t change anything. I don’t trust him any more or any less because of what happened last week with Charlie Kirk. I don’t trust him, period. I do trust Donald Trump, and I do trust some of the folks that he surrounded himself with, but do I trust government overall? No, I don’t. Because government is full of a lot of workers that want to make sure that they have a job tomorrow. And I don’t trust them, and I never will. It’s just who I am. But am I going to go out there and say that they killed Charlie Kirk? No, I’m not going to go that far either. It doesn’t mean that I trust government any more or any less because of the statement I just made. And my point is just to encourage everybody to be really careful. I say this every single time something like this happens. Be extremely careful and cautious. of the things that you put out there, the things that you post, the things that you say even. I’m going to talk about that in a moment as far as what you say. I’ll get into that here in just one moment. 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SPEAKER 07 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And Charlie did say that NPR verified the whole transgender roommate thing this morning. So more and more credible things are coming out in regards to that. Again, we’ll learn a lot more. And I did read and Charlie was telling me in my ear a few minutes ago that his roommate, he, even though it’s wanting to be a she, he is cooperating fully with officials. To what extent and what does that all mean? I do not know. He is shocked at all of this even now. And I guess the furry thing is coming from a lot of the inscriptions and things that were actually on the ammo that was inside of the weapon and so on. And again – and Andy texted me a moment ago and said it’s also strange that – His siblings turned out fine. So, again, did he grow up in a troubled home? No. The siblings are fine. There’s no issues there. You know, what happened here? Again, I don’t know, folks. I don’t know. It’s interesting that you can get kids that all grow up in the same family. Some turn out really well, and there may be that one black sheep that doesn’t. And, again, I don’t know, folks. I don’t have— That is way above my pay grade. I don’t know why some things and some people turn out certain ways. I don’t have those answers. I really don’t. I do know that there’s a lot of lost souls, quote-unquote, that are out there, and this is definitely one of them. And, again, I’m not going down the path of all of these conspiracies that, you know, he had help and he was paid and people knew about this happening long before it happened and this was a huge setup and it was staged and this, that, and the other. That’s all hogwash. That I will say. That’s just hogwash. Wrong. No. You know, those are the same people that believe the earth is flat. I’m sorry. You are all in the same camp as far as that goes. I don’t get where you – I think people just look for answers because they want it to be a certain way. So the minute they can latch on to something that they think fits their ideals and their narrative, then that’s the direction they’re headed. Even though it may not make any sense whatsoever. But they want to believe it. So they do. And it happens on both sides, by the way. It’s not just our side that does that. The left does it as well. You know, the Marxist left, they do it as well. But we tend to do it more. I’ll just be straight up honest. We tend to do it more. And we latch on to things because it fits. Like, for example, I talked, made fun of last week, the rapture happening on September 23rd, which I can guarantee you it won’t. We’ll talk about it on the 24th because it won’t happen on the 23rd. I’ll bet my life on it. It’s not going to happen. I’ll be here on the 24th, Lord willing, unless I die, but I won’t be here because I’m in the rapture, I can tell you that much, because it’s not going to happen. And I gave answers even with Bill Anderson on Ready Radio on Friday, and he’s a pastor, and he agreed with me. So, again, why does our side go down some of these paths? I wish I had a better answer other than I just think they’re always looking for a fill-in-the-blank answer, and so they latch on to something and off they go. Now, something that’s happening on the left, though, and this is what I did want to talk about when it comes to your words— And I did see a little bit of this over the weekend. Normally on Sundays, I check out. I go out and I work in my barn. I go do other things around my house. I’ve got stuff I need to get accomplished, and I really do my best to check out stuff going on social media-wise. I did watch a little bit of the football game, which we’ll talk to Richard about next hour, but I don’t do much in the way of politics and all that. I don’t get up on Sunday mornings and watch Meet the Press and all those programs that are on, and so I don’t do any of that. A, I don’t have the ability to because I don’t have those channels, and I don’t subscribe to those things, and nor will I. I don’t listen to podcasts. I don’t watch other people. I just don’t do any of that. So there’s times where you guys will send me all sorts of things, which I appreciate because I’ll glean some things from that, and you guys are sort of the fact finders, if you would. But I don’t go out and do that. I’m not on social media and watching those things on a daily basis. But the one thing that I did see over the weekend is how many liberals have lost their jobs – over making comments, cheering on and celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination. That I did see. And I watched several of those. And I even watched what I would consider to be a particular attorney that was making some comments on all of this. He was back east, but he’s an attorney, a black attorney, by the way. And I could tell he was somewhat liberal, maybe not fully on that side, but definitely not a conservative. So probably somewhere down the middle, leaning left. And I was watching him, he did a video, and he was commenting on how many different phone calls he’s received from people that have lost their jobs, asking is it lawful for their employers to fire them over something they put out on, and he made fun of this, that they put out on their private social media. And here’s how he said it as an attorney. Folks, there’s no such thing. Stop talking about your private social media. His point as a, again, this is a left-leaning attorney, his point was there’s nothing private about social. Those two words can’t go together. You can’t claim that, well, I just put it out on my private social media. No, you put it out on social media. It’s not private. No matter what your settings are, it’s not private. It’s social media. You put it out there. So his point was, again, as somebody that’s on the left, nothing’s private that you put out there, meaning that if your employer doesn’t like what you put out, yes, there is freedom of speech and there’s freedom of consequences as well from your employer. Meaning if you put it out there and they don’t like what it said, you can be fired over that. I, at one point in time, fired an individual that worked for me for something that was posted on social media. And I was well within my rights as an employer to do so. And I was threatened, and you can’t do that, and I’m going to call the labor board, and this, that, and the other, which, by the way, they did. In fact, I even fought the unemployment claim in this particular situation because this particular individual didn’t think that it was fair that he got fired and he should be able to go get unemployment. End of the story. The unemployment judge agreed with me and he didn’t get unemployment because I had cause to fire him over what he put on social media. So for those of you that think that you can put whatever you want out there and it’s no big deal and there’s no consequences and your employer can’t do anything about it, yeah, they can. Yeah, they can, as has been happening all week since Charlie Kirk’s assassination, where people celebrated and even put those things out on social media. There have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of jobs lost. Over them doing things like this, either putting out a video, putting out an X tweet, you know, an X post. I still call it tweets because that’s what it used to be. Or putting something out on their Facebook page, or in some cases, all three. Some of these people are stupid enough to share it in all places, by the way. They’ll put it out in one and spread it out to, you know, Instagram. And so they’ll do Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube posts. And what am I missing, Charlie? I’m missing TikTok. They’ll put it in all of them. And in X, yes. And at the end of the day, wonder, why am I getting fired? Well, you’re getting fired because your company, your boss, does have the ability to look at those things, read those things, and make decisions on your employment based upon the things that you say and have, and you no longer are employed. Joe, what’s up?
SPEAKER 12 :
John, there’s two exceptions to an employer firing you for something what you said. One, if you’re in a union, your union agreement probably specifies what you can and can’t be fired for and so on and so forth. And the other is if you’re a teacher, number one, you’re going to be in a union. And two, the public school is an arm of government. So as such, being an arm of government, it is kind of borderline whether or not the school could fire you for what you said. Plus, you’re in a union, which is going to protect you unless you violated some provision of a union contract. So those are about the only two places where you might not be subject to getting fired.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and key word there, might, because depending upon what the post was, you might still get fired.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no, there are things even within your union contract or if you’re a teacher. You know, if you’re advocating pedophilia, you know, sex with… That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or if you’re advocating violence, promoting violence, anything along those lines, Joe, there’s typically clauses in there where you can still get fired for cause.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, actually, advocating violence is not protected by the First Amendment. The government can go after you for advocating violence.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
So you’re not even protected from the government going after you. If you’re advocating violence, trying to— Incite riots, things like that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Fair game.
SPEAKER 12 :
Take up arms against advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government. But if you’re not in a union and if you’re not a teacher, in most states it’s employment at will. the employer doesn’t need a reason to fire you.
SPEAKER 07 :
I was watching a guy late last night, Joe, that was crying over the fact that Microsoft had fired him. He was a Microsoft engineer, and basically he said a bunch of stuff about Charlie Kirk and the celebration of and so on, and he was shocked that Microsoft fired him over that. And I’m thinking, hallelujah, Microsoft, good job.
SPEAKER 12 :
Did you see the news story I sent you today about the nurse in New Jersey who reported the doctor? for celebrating, for saying something. I did. And she reported, and he said this in front of other nurses and some patients. The news had just come across, and he said, I’m glad he’s dead. I didn’t, you know, he deserved to die. And she reported him to the administration. And instead of suspending him, they suspended her.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, that’s one where she probably has pretty good cause to go against them, because I don’t think they can do that in that particular case.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, that’s retaliation. That’s retaliation.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s exactly right. They can’t do that. That one I do know they can’t do.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so I think she’s got a great case, but I just thought it was talk about bizarro world. She reports. you know, improper behavior by a doctor in front of a patient and they suspend her.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and that one, Joe, we could spend some time on because I know firsthand from talking to several different doctors themselves and admins in hospitals that these doctors get what they call a God complex, meaning that they feel like they’re off limits. And most people don’t know this. I’m going to share. This is a perfect timing for this, Joe. Most people don’t know this. I do from working. for different hospitals and some of their facilities, maintenance, and different things along those lines. And most of these doctors, the big-time surgeons, by the way, they will roam, as you know, Joe, from hospital to hospital. They’ll get several different contracts where they do surgeries here on Monday and there on Tuesday and another place on Wednesday and so on. And most people don’t know this, but in a lot of those contracts, these guys require – full-bore catered lunches. You know, if I’m going to work the day shift and I want lobster and shrimp for lunch and this, that, and the other. And these hospitals, Joe, will deliver all of that for these guys.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, it’s like anything else, John, supply and demand. I mean, if you’re the best heart surgeon in Colorado. You name your price. You name your price and the hospital.
SPEAKER 07 :
My point is they get this complex whereby they feel like they are, quote, unquote, untouchable and the hospitals treat them as such. They’re not untouchable.
SPEAKER 12 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Andy just texted, by the way, and said that she is fully reinstated, and he has now resigned, the doctor.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that’s the way it should be, because she pointed out that, you know, doctors take a Hippocratic Oath, which starts off first, do no harm. That’s right. And by celebrating the death of another individual— You’re violating your oath. Your Hippocratic Oath. Yep. Because you were, you know— So I’m glad it turned out that way. It was a fast-moving story, and I’m glad it turned out that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
I am, too, because you had just sent me that early this morning. I didn’t have a chance to check into that. So, Andy, thank you for the text message. Bottom line, Joe, this is true for the majority of people out there. I get it. There are a few situations where you might be a little more protected than your other worker that you’re going to dinner with or your other family member. But in most cases, Joe, yeah, if your employer doesn’t like what you posted, it’s fair game. It’s fair game. Yep. So anyway, just thought I’d throw that in, John. I appreciate it, Joe. Thank you very much. And there’s a lot of liberals, by the way, that did that last week that felt like they are protected because their First Amendment right gives them protection in that. And yeah, the First Amendment right gives you protection to say whatever you want. that doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences that go along with it. And as Joe said, if you take that too far and you’re inciting violence yourself by some of the things that you’re doing, which I’ll just tell you straight up, some of the videos and things that I have seen from some of these liberals celebrating what happened to Charlie Kirk, they’re borderline inciting violence. They really are. And it’s apparent because some of them have not only lost their jobs, but have been investigated by authorities and so on because some of them have really pushed that line as far as all that goes. All right, we’ll take a break. We’ll come back. We’ll get things finished up. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning. There is a furnace tune-up special right now, $56. Just go to klzradio.com and find it.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. We are back. John and Cheyenne, go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, John. I’m a little disappointed across the board of how the evergreen shooter has disappeared.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, didn’t fit the narrative, did it?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, but the other thing is, how did, Mike, I got three questions. How did the 16-year-old get the gun? Where did he get it from? And if it was one of his parents’ guns, are we going to hold them responsible the same way they held those parents in Michigan responsible when their kids shot up the school?
SPEAKER 07 :
Great question. All good questions. By the way, all things I have wondered myself, and, of course, there’s been little to no story or information on the things that you just said. There’s been none, actually. Let’s say it as it is, John. There’s been none.
SPEAKER 03 :
The one story I found when I was just doing some Google searches was the Denver 7 News had something about it. And they’re refusing to name the shooter either. Now, if you don’t want to name the shooter, fine. But I believe those parents, because this is a 16-year-old kid. This is not a 22-year-old young adult who left home to go to college and got his mind changed. This is a 16-year-old kid. Where is the parental responsibility for a 16-year-old kid shooting up a school?
SPEAKER 06 :
Great question. Great question.
SPEAKER 07 :
And as I’ve said, and you can verify, there’s been nothing in the news about any of that at all. Where did he get the gun? How did he get the gun? Whose was it? So on and so forth. We’ve seen none of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, all you hear about is the status of the other two kids and thank the Lord they’re both alive, but you hear about their status. That’s about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
I do see CBS News has named the individual Desmond Hawley. It does actually finally have this. This is the first time I’ve seen his name, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Well, I didn’t see that one, but it’s just like, because of what happened to Charlie Kirk, that kind of got pushed to the back burner, and because it didn’t fit the narrative, it seems like The Denver media is just covering it up. And what’s weird is all I’ve seen— I didn’t say cover up. I’ll say ignoring.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and what Charlie and I were wondering, because we were asking the same question to each other this past week, even Saturday, and that is that even the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department is saying that he’s been radicalized by extremist network. In other words, he spent a bunch of time on violent gore sites months before the attack and so on, but— But the question I have is, what does that exactly mean? Who is this extremist network that he was radicalized by, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s somewhere on the dark web is what I read. I read the name but can’t remember it, but it’s the dark web, which there’s some, and you’ve been there, there’s some vile stuff out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve only been there to check things out once or twice in my whole life because it is a weird place.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, it is. But that’s the problem here is the parents have given up control of their kid already at the age of 16. And yes, I feel bad for the parents that their son is now gone. But where were you to keep him safe?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and that’s a great question. I mean, my son and I had a long conversation about this last week, because when my kids were granted, when I was raising kids, we didn’t have quite the video games and things that we have today, although… Even Richard will tell you that there were certain things that my kids were not allowed to play, period, because of the content of those games. And even with some of the better games, Madden, things like that, they were still limited, John, to how many hours a day they could play those games, just barely. because you could get so engrossed in them that’s all you did, and it took over their entire psyche, I guess you could say. So we limited even the good games on how much per day they could play.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and that’s shocking, John, that you were parenting.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know you all find that shocking, but yeah, we had a little bit to say about what they actually did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. But that’s the problem. And going back, this writes right into all these people that got canned for their posts. They never got said no to. So now all of a sudden we’re held responsible.
SPEAKER 07 :
My wife texted me this, and maybe Andy and I will talk about this a little bit tomorrow. She also feels like in some cases this is a weeding of the workforce. In other words, if you’ve been one of those liberal loons and then all of a sudden you posted something about Charlie Kirk, you may very well have had a boss that’s just been waiting, having a good excuse because it’s hard to fire lefties. Andy and I talk about that all the time, John. It’s hard. Hard to fire a lefty. Some of these companies may have just been waiting for this chance. Okay, you’re gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re out of here. And, you know, same thing. I unfriended a guy I’ve known for over 40 years because of what he said about Charlie.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t blame you.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was like, we’re done. Yeah, I don’t blame you. And I’ve known the guy for over 40 years. We served together. But I’m like, no, I’m not going to let it go. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, John, you have a good rest of your day. Thanks, man.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Real quick, the other story that I saw over the weekend, which I think it was Office Depot. Somebody went in and they were trying to do a, you know, a visual for Charlie Kirk. They wanted a picture, you know, printed of him for this particular service and so on. And a couple of employees refused to do so. And it made not headlines, but social media wise, it made the rounds. Let’s just say it that way. Big time made the rounds. Well, Office Depot must have gotten wind of it because guess what? They no longer work there. They were fired for that. Thank you, Office Depot. And again, as I said a moment ago, Andy and I might be able to talk about this some tomorrow. I really think so. If you’re a liberal, be careful, because I really think that there’s some employers out there that have just been waiting. to get rid of some of these individuals because, frankly, they’re probably not top-notch workers in the first place. And, yes, I can explain what I mean by that later or tomorrow with Andy. Bottom line, I think some of these employers are looking for an excuse to get rid of you, and you gave them one. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 11 :
Rich guys.
