In this episode, Andy Pate steps in for John Rush to offer his unique perspectives as a staunch Republican. The discussion takes a dive into the nuances of holiday greetings, advocating for personal freedom and respect for individual differences, while maintaining civility even in contrasting views. Reflecting on personal anecdotes and current events, Andy and Tanner navigate the complex societal expectations of gender identity and the evolving language of inclusivity. Through candid conversations and real-life examples, they illustrate the importance of empathy, mutual respect, and the simplicity of a courteous response during misunderstandings.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did!
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice.
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, who’s taking some much-deserved holiday time off. And I’m joined once again by Tanner Cole.
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Man.
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That’s right. We don’t have Luke here, so I am here with half a man.
SPEAKER 05 :
You could say that.
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I’m sorry, man. That’s all you are. You’re letting me down. I mean, where is Luke without the two of you together? He’s left me. I’m not overwhelmed by the amount of manhood that usually overwhelms me.
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Well, he’ll be on tomorrow, so you get half of the duo.
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OK, well, in the meantime, as I want to say to everybody, because once again, John is gone for the holidays, having a little holiday time off. So I want to say happy holidays or in my terribly intolerant backward way. Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas.
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You know, I.
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Here’s one thing I love about being a Republican. And let me tell you, folks, I love everything about being a Republican. But one of the things is this. You can talk how you want. Okay.
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I love it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, it’s great. It’s great. I can actually say Merry Christmas to a Republican atheist. And guess what they say?
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Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 15 :
Merry Christmas. It’s fine. And if I have some Republican atheists say to me, or maybe they’re a Muslim, or they are Hindu or whatever, and they say, happy holidays, you know what I say? Happy holidays. Right. I don’t get in their face and say, you mean Merry Christmas, don’t you?
SPEAKER 05 :
You mean Happy Hanukkah.
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Yeah, you mean Happy Hanukkah. What are you? Do you hate the Jews? We can relax. I like being a Republican because Republicans, we can actually like each other again. Why? Because we see each person as an individual. Right. And we don’t look for every reason possible to paint every person by a demographic brush.
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Right. Live your life. I couldn’t imagine going home to, you know, some liberal in my family and I’m just speaking how I usually speak. And then it becomes a whole problem because maybe I said a word they don’t like or a phrase that isn’t, you know, inclusive for all. Right. Or something where I misgendered someone at the Thanksgiving table or something like or I guess Christmas table. But. It’s so nice just to be able, I’m going to go relax in San Diego for a few days with my family instead of what could happen. A family debacle, a thousand arguments ensue, someone storms out of the house, someone gets too drunk and there’s a problem.
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Well, I misgendered somebody. This was actually, I won’t say what town in the area, but it was a Safeway. and no you had a lady it was a female a biological female who was working there who apparently does not see herself that way and i and i you know i’m a military ex-military guy so how do i refer to a female ma’am yeah okay excuse me ma’am can you tell me where to find and um she says don’t refer to me as ma’am in a negative angry tone and it’s just like look you know And what did I do? Nothing. I just said, no problem. Could you help me find it? And then she reluctantly helped me find the thing I needed to find. And it was just like being mean like that. Other people asking everybody else to, first of all, speak this new language that you’ve created, which, by the way, didn’t exist for thousands of years, where we change people’s, you know.
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Right, it’s been a five year. From he and her, yeah. Right, new language in five years.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Over the last, what, it just happened like 20 seconds ago. You guys decided we have to refer to you differently. And now you’re going to be, look, folks, if you want to be that way, I will be as helpful as I can, but don’t be mean. Right. Don’t be mean. Somebody refers to you as a guy, you know, sir, when you’re actually a guy who wants to be a female. You know what? Leave him alone. Somebody says to you, happy holidays. You know what? Say it back. Somebody says to you, you know, happy Hanukkah. I’m not Jewish. Say it back. Somebody says Merry Christmas. Say it back, folks. like people i like being a republican and i’m going to tell you something if there was one big reason i left the democrat party this is well the biggest reason is control because they want to control people’s lives but the other reason is they’re uptight
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. And it’s about stuff that you shouldn’t be uptight about. Like, it’s not like, oh, I need you to help me with the dishes. Or, you know, something very simple that you should maybe be like, hey, you’re 24 now, you could help around the house or something like that. It’s always like, oh, I don’t like the words you use. I mean, I’ve misgendered people that I didn’t know what gender they were. I couldn’t even tell you. And they don’t seem to care. No. And they’re not gonna be like, I prefer Zay Zem, whatever it is. And now we’re in a A standoff, basically. Because I don’t know what to say at that point if you’re going to tell me I have to call you Zay Zem because I’ve never heard of that.
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Well, that’s just the point. You don’t want to be in a standoff. Folks, you just created a new language, which, by the way, is not biologically correct, okay? No offense. And it is my opinion that, you know, if you want to be gay, be gay. I’m one of these, you know, live your life, kind of live and let live kind of people. You want to be trans, be trans, whatever. But don’t ask me to celebrate your life. Nobody’s celebrating mine.
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Right.
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I’m a white, heterosexual, born-again, evangelical, ex-atheist Christian. How many people celebrate that? Virtually none. Yeah, I’m hated everywhere I go, okay? I’m pretty used to it. And, you know, once people realize, oh, you think that way. You know, folks, don’t ask people to celebrate your choices. Make your choices, okay? And finally… You know, on top of that, I’m just going to be honest. If you think that you are literally trapped in the wrong body, that’s not being gay. You know, being gay means, hey, you know, I like my own kind. Okay. Live your life. You know, but if you literally believe you’re trapped in the wrong body, I think it’s a mental illness.
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Right.
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Okay. Now, does that mean I went at that lady and said, I think you have a mental illness? Of course I didn’t. Okay. I was nice.
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Right.
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But people are mean. Tell you what, I want to take a quick break because I want to take it early because when we come back, I really want to talk about somebody who was really mean to a Target employee. Have you heard about this?
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Oh, yeah.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole.
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Man.
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And on the line right now, we got somebody who is man enough for the entire show. That is Bob and Thornton. Bob, how you doing, sir?
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I’m well. Um… Now, the response is, I know people are uncomfortable responding to certain things, but this comes from the old Irish, and somebody would say to you, the top of the morning to you, then the response was, and the rest of the day to you. Now, let’s say somebody wishes you a happy, Merry Christmas, Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Festivus or something like that. And a good generic response would be, thank you and the same to you. And that’s it. You don’t have to feel like, oh, have I responded correctly?
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Bob, that is a beautiful thank you and the same to you. That is a beautiful response anywhere. In fact, I’m going to use it anytime my wife and I are arguing. You know, she’ll try and disagree. I’ll just say thank you and the same to you. What do you think? Okay, I won’t do that. But, you know, I think, you know what, that is such a safe way to go, and that way you don’t have to worry about where somebody is coming from.
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Well, yeah, you don’t want to put yourself in an uncomfortable position. Did I say the right thing? It’s very generic, and it covers everything. And it comes from the old Irish tradition. Top of the morning and the rest of the day to you. That’s the way it is.
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And the rest of the day to you. You know what, Bob? I like that. I just like the feeling of that. Now, what would you have said if you were in my shoes and this person turned around and angrily stated not to call her ma’am? And so forth. What do you say then? I was just really nice and said, okay, if you could just show me how to find. Would you have anything else to say?
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A generic response indicates anybody’s gender or religion or belief or anything, and you say, thank you, and the same to you. So whatever they said to you, it’s a polite response, and thank you, and the same to you as well. That’s it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because you’re also endorsing whatever they said to you.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you’re acknowledging whatever they said.
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Well, yeah, you know what I mean, though. If you’re saying thank you and the same to you, I’m saying whatever you said to me is a good thing. Yeah. Bob, thank you so much. Bob, you’ve just fixed all the strife and division on planet Earth. What do you think?
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I think so. I mean, you know, people say… Well, you know, I’m an Army veteran, and quite often when people find out that I am, I wasn’t a career guy. I was drafted, and I served as required. And people will say to me, well, thank you for your service. And I said, you’re welcome. It was my privilege. And that’s it. I don’t need to get into any large things. discussion about that i was in vietnam or whatever i just acknowledged that they thanked me and uh gave them a generic response yeah whenever anybody thanks me for my service i say the same thing i just say well thank you so much thank you yeah that’s it because we do appreciate it bob thank you so much i appreciate you coming on all right thank you you take care
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, those are wise words, wouldn’t you say? Tanner, you’ve been here for 20 minutes. Where were your wise words? Bob, he had to step in. He had to pick up the ball.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think that whole Target fiasco, or your fiasco, I’m sure there’s liberals that misgender other liberals all the time because you can’t tell, especially if it’s woman to man versus man to woman.
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It can be hard to tell.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, there’s someone I… Well, a place I go and get food from sometimes. I don’t know if it’s a girl or a guy, or maybe she’s just kind of a little more tomboy. But I’m never… I don’t misgender. If I did, she’s never looked at me in a weird way.
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Well, and, you know, and hey, you feel so impersonal, insensitive. You know what I’m saying? Disrespectful.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I’m not… No one’s trying to be disrespectful. And if people are, then you can tell right away that they’re trying to. But, I mean… I’m sure it happens on the other side. And then if it was like a liberal woman who misgendered them, and then that might become a bigger issue than with you. Because they might have been like, well, I don’t I didn’t know you have to tell me or something. And then that ball could keep rolling compared to you just kind of accepting and moving on.
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Well, I think, you know, thank you. And same to you. Same to you. Whatever. Well, obviously, that’s a different comment. But, you know, I mean, that general mindset that Bob’s given us, I think, is a good one. OK, let’s go to somebody who did not have the right mindset. OK, now, for those who don’t know this, Karen and I call him that I don’t care. had to issue an apology after berating a Target employee. And this is talked about by Amy Curtis. She’s a writer in Town Hall, does a good job. And here is the story. Earlier this week, we told you about the viral video of a woke leftist berating and harassing an older woman at a Target. Why? Because the Target employee was wearing a red Charlie Kirk freedom shirt. Okay? Now, and the woman’s name was, you know what? I don’t care what her name is. Let’s even leave it out. Okay, here we go. So this woman asks this. Why are you wearing that shirt? You’re working. It’s not a Target shirt. Well, it’s a red shirt, Jeannie. The lady’s name is Jeannie. It’s a red shirt, Jeannie replied. It’s a red shirt. I can wear any red shirt. It’s not a plain shirt, this woman said. It doesn’t have to be a plain shirt, Jeannie replied, which, by the way, is true. Mm-hmm. It’s a Charlie Kirk shirt. Now she’s getting, notice, liberals never come right to it. I actually like the ones who just shout their bigotry right at me and get right to it. I don’t like the ones who work around to their bigotry, but she gets around to her bigotry. It’s a Charlie Kirk shirt, she says. Oh, yes, I know, Jeannie said. Are you blanking stupid, the woman said. Okay, now a lot of money has been raised for this girl, this lady who went through this. And the woman has since had to issue an apology. Now, really quick here. The target lady, Jeannie, was asked if this woman should be fired from her job because she works… At Enloe Medical Center. And for all I know, she has been fired.
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Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’ve heard it’s possible.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s what Google AI is saying. She was fired.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, good, good. We’ll get to that in a moment. So she was working at Enloe Medical Center. All right. We’ll get to that in just a second. Now, first of all, I want to read off her apology. This lady… The Trump supporter is obviously a Trump supporter. She did not want her fired. She says, oh, no, no, no, I don’t want her fired. You know, no, it’s Christmas time. Don’t, you know. And she was very gracious. I’m all for gracious. I get that. But I wanted the lady fired for another reason. OK, now I’m going to read this apology from the lady. I want you to tell me, gee, does this sound like this came from the heart or does this sound like it was written by a lawyer? Here we go. I want to take full responsibility for my actions and say clearly and sincerely that I was wrong. I behaved badly, and I regret it deeply. Okay, right there. Does anybody talk like that normally?
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No.
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No. I want to directly apologize to Jeannie. I am truly sorry for approaching you at your workplace and putting you in an uncomfortable and unfair position. You did not deserve that, and my behavior was wrong. Does that sound like this lady who was scolding this woman in Target, or does that sound like someone wrote it for her?
SPEAKER 05 :
It sounds like AI.
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Yeah, it does, doesn’t it? I also apologize to Jeannie’s family for the stress and attention my actions caused. I apologize to Target as her employer. I apologize to Enloe. And I apologize to the Chico. It’s Chico, California. The Chico community. I understand that what I did reflected poorly on myself and disrupted a sense of safety and respect that should exist in a workplace and in our community. Oh, come on. No one talks this way normally. OK, and I’m a writer. I mean, I might write this, you know. Next, I did not handle the situation in the way I should have. I allowed my emotions to take over instead of choosing restraint and empathy. Restraint and empathy. That was my failure and I own it. I regret my actions and I am genuine. Here’s the end. I regret my actions and I am genuinely sorry for the harm they caused. I wish I can go back and undo what happened, but I can acknowledge it honestly, learn from it, and commit to doing better moving forward. Okay. Does any of that sound honest to you?
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No. I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is a person who got caught and somebody wrote up a very, you know.
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Boilerplate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Lawyered up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
In other words, this isn’t coming from the heart at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it sounds just like not a cover-up, but just to get by and say, like, oh, I was in the wrong, but not actually mean it, and to, like, clear her path and maybe save her job, which it didn’t.
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Right. Now, here’s where I’m going with this, Tanner, okay? When you’re talking about somebody who is in the health care profession, okay? Now, don’t get me wrong. She may learn from this because it’s become a national furor.
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Right.
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A national outcry. And she’s probably been stricken to the heart over this if she has a heart. And by the way, I am questioning that. But if she has a heart, she’s probably been stricken to it and she has changed. I don’t know. Maybe she has changed. Maybe she hasn’t. But let me tell you something. Nobody who would ever. Do this to a person because of political differences at that person’s workplace like that.
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Right.
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Like that. I mean, people have disagreements in the workplace that bring up politics. I’m not talking that. I’m talking treating them like this. Okay. Nobody who can do that should be employed at a hospital.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, because what happens when a patient comes in with a MAGA hat on? What, she’s going to give them the wrong drugs or she’s going to prescribe them something they don’t need or something? I mean… Let me tell you something. It’s a slippery slope.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I don’t want to give the name of the person, but somebody, I’m just going to say very, very close to me, died during COVID. This person was not vaccinated. No, they did not die because they were not vaccinated. Okay. But at the hospital, they found out this person was not, well, they knew because you have to tell them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Was not vaccinated. And let me tell you something. A bunch of the staff and nurses- treated this person totally differently, and you could tell. Right into the grave, they treated this person differently. I said right away, hey, can I please, I’ve got a place where I can go, I can get the monoclonal antibodies. On my dime, I’ll drive, I will bring them back, they will be approved, they’ll be in a case from the place that distributes them, and I’ll bring them to you. Could you please give these to this person? You know, it certainly can’t hurt this person, okay, and I believe that they would help. No, they refuse. They would not let me do it. They would not let us do anything but their treatment, which Dr. Kelly on Thursday says is a treatment that basically kills, basically. I mean, it’s just deadly, okay. Remdesivir, she calls it run, death is near, okay. And they did a number of other things that were treatments that I totally disagreed with. We couldn’t make any inroads. But the big thing, the big thing that sticks with me, Tanner, is the viciousness. They looked at us. And by the way, if you’re vaccinated, fine. Live your life.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m vaccinated.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I don’t care. Have I ever cared?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, never will.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nor do I, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. But they looked at us as… Evil. Now we now know in, in retrospect, whatever you think of the vaccine, we do know it didn’t stop the spread at all. Okay. Uh, COVID rampaged through the vaccinated community.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Obviously. So not being vaccinated didn’t make me any more dangerous around people. And by the way, to my knowledge, I never even got COVID. I probably did and probably just got such light, you know, symptoms that I didn’t know. Okay. Basically I was really healthy for those whole three years.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. As soon as I got the vax, I got sick. So there you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it didn’t work for you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
There you go. And here’s the big thing. They treated us horribly. Okay, now we’re getting back to this lady with the Target employee. Folks, and I mean this with all my heart. My mom was a nurse. She was a lead nurse, head nurse. And she would never in her wildest dreams think of treating somebody that way. She would never have the mindset to where she could go out to a Target and act that way. And I guarantee you, if my mom were alive today, she would hate MAGA, okay? Wouldn’t matter. She would never treat people that way. Why? Because she didn’t have that kind of a heart. And if you have that kind of a heart, I think you are too dangerous and too wrong to have around patients period.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you could treat somebody in a target. Who is, by the way, there to serve you. And by the way, who makes way less money than you do, you nurse. Nurses make good money. I believe some deserve more. Personally, I think nursing is a wonderful field. But they make really good money. They make way more money than that lady working in Target, I guarantee you. She looked down on her. And she treated her. Do you believe that person should still be employed in a hospital around patients who need her, who are depending on her, who need her to care about them at a time when they are in pain and can’t understand it? If she’s fired, I’m glad she’s gone. And I hope she learns better going forward. But all I can say is, lady, get out of the hospital. You don’t belong there. And no, apology not accepted. What do you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, her mom even wrote an apology. I think everyone saw through her so easily. So the mom basically seemed to say she didn’t raise her daughter to be like that. And this woman’s at least 40-something. It’s not like she’s a young adult or a crazy young teenage liberal. She was a grown woman. And Chico, it’s not like it’s a full liberal area. That’s right above Sacramento. There’s a lot of MAGA supporters in that area. sure so to go out of your way yes yeah and like the one innocent target lady you’re kind of going after it just seems like she kind of was treating her like a second class dumb citizen she was and it’s just it’s kind of pathetic to see that that’s how badly it unfolded it could have gone a lot different way i mean you even have to bring it up and she would have helped you regardless Oh, yeah. And I’m almost happy for Jeannie because now she was saying, they said there’s a quarter million dollars in GoFundMe. It’s going to help her retire and pay for some stuff. So, I mean, if anything, it worked out for her very well. And she was so sincere about, well, even though she didn’t like my shirt and was rude to me, I don’t want anything bad to happen to her. And you only seem to see that on one side, it seems.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, in the terms of taking it personally, in that way, I agree with Jeannie. I don’t want somebody fired and losing their job just because they’re mean to me at mine. Okay. But this is a nurse. She works at a hospital. That’s where it gets personal. That’s where it gets dangerous because I’m sorry, folks. I have seen what nasty mean. And by the way, many nurses are wonderful.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. But I’ve seen what those who are not can be like. And during COVID, We dealt with several who were vicious.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they were told across the country, don’t help people that are unvaccinated.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I don’t know if these were told that, but I tell you what, they certainly act like it. They were terrible. And they would not help this person who was very close to me all the way into the grave. And I just said flat out, you’re killing them. I didn’t say that to them. I said it to my wife. I was just so upset, okay? I was very emotional about this. Tanner, I don’t believe anybody like that belongs in any of those professions where people are really going to need you. I don’t think that they should be a paramedic.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. What if a paramedic who is hardcore liberal is called to a MAGA gathering?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. They’re just going to let them lay there or whatever. Yeah. Just because they don’t agree with their politics. It’s still a human life.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are liberal paramedics who would go to that MAGA thing and perform wonderfully and take care of them. Why? Because they’re professional and they let their character is such that they look at their job and they say every person is equally valuable for me when I’m taking care of people. They’re just people.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t think she could do that. I don’t think if you’re capable of doing that to the target employee, I don’t think you could do it. I don’t think you could.
SPEAKER 05 :
yeah handle it i mean hospital i don’t think so i live in downtown denver and i’m in aurora quite a bit i see people wearing liberal stuff uh biden stickers on their car with obvious transgender or you know trying to figure out their gender i’m not going to go up to them be like are you out of your mind are you crazy like what do you think you’re doing i would never even think about doing that i wouldn’t even want to bring it up in the first place
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, when I was growing up, people looked at Christians as the judgy ones.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think we’re past that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 15 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John, rushing along with Tanner Cole.
SPEAKER 06 :
Man.
SPEAKER 15 :
And Tanner, let’s talk just a little bit of immigration. Democrat from Tennessee, Steve Cohen, Representative, he said, and I quote, in a hearing, they’re arresting people simply for the offense of being in the country illegally.
SPEAKER 05 :
Funny how that works.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, Tanner, I just want to ask you a question here. Is there anywhere that you can go illegally where somebody will not arrest you or grab you or do something with you to remove you? Okay, let’s say you go to a movie theater, you got no ticket, but you sneak in and they find out about it. What’s going to happen?
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re taking you out or calling the cops, one of the two.
SPEAKER 15 :
You will be removed from the theater that you snuck into.
SPEAKER 05 :
The premises, even.
SPEAKER 15 :
The premises, yes, yes. You’re going to be removed entirely. Actually, they’ll just remove you. Trust me, I ran theaters. We get you out the front door and that’s it. We don’t care beyond that. Okay, we don’t care about the parking lot. But they’re going to get you out of there, right? Okay. If you sneak into a wedding, you’re a wedding crasher.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, a government building.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a funny movie, but if you actually do it and they realize you’re not supposed to be there, what are they going to do?
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ll kick you out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. If you go into somebody’s home.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ll kick you out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or they’ll kill you, maybe.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know what? All these Americans. So you’re basically telling me basically 350 million Americans, virtually all of them would kick you out of their home if you entered illegally. So what you’re saying is 350 million Americans are racist. Is that what you’re saying?
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s what someone’s saying. But the one place they won’t kick you out of is a guy going into a girl’s bathroom.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh!
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s the only place you might be able to stay in without being there legally. Other than that.
SPEAKER 15 :
So you can do that, but anything else you’re not going to be able to pull off.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, try going to Venezuela and staying there. See how that goes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Venezuela. My gosh.
SPEAKER 05 :
Try going to Iraq and overstaying your visa.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t think I will. I was going to play a clip, but I’m having some difficulties here. Really quick here, I will just tell you what it was going to say. It’s Kristi Noem, and she has a much more melodic tone than I do, but you’re stuck with me, folks. Kristi Noem just came out and basically said this. Because it’s the holiday season. During the holiday season, instead of $1,000, any illegal immigrant who wants to self-deport will get $3,000 going home. So we’re going to give you a free ticket home and you’re going to get $3,000 to leave. Now, first of all, of course, what does that mean in their home? What is $3,000 going to be worth in most of these home countries?
SPEAKER 05 :
In Mexico, it’s 54,000 pesos almost. Right. That’s a lot of money there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. I mean, gee, maybe it’s Nigeria. Maybe it’s, you know, wherever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Right. Honduras, whatever it may be.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re going to live like a king. So we are basically going to let you live like a king. First of all, I think it’s too much. But I understand if it’s worth it. But here’s my next question. Okay. Okay. If we’re willing to give three grand to get somebody out of this country, what does that say they are costing us while being in this country?
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. A lot. Well, I mean, they were handing out credit cards, social security, driver’s license to all of them before. And how much did that cost?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. You know, folks, those who think illegal immigration is good for our economy, I don’t even want to go into all those statistics. We don’t have time right now. It’s not. Okay. What it does is dramatically lowers your wages. Okay. Because they get lower wages.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then everything else shoots up because we need more of it. Like housing will… It just goes up the more houses they have to build.
SPEAKER 15 :
Exactly. See, here is why businesses like to be able to hire illegal immigrants, okay? They get to pay a lot less, but you are going to compensate those illegal immigrants with a lot of social services. I think a recent thing came out that said like 59% of them were receiving some form of welfare, okay? Yeah. I haven’t had time, sorry folks, didn’t have enough time to make sure that that was true, but it came off on a conservative site, looked real. But I know a lot of them are getting a lot, you know, getting SNAP, getting a lot of benefits while they’re here illegally. So here you, the taxpayer, are helping basically pay the wages of this business’s employees. That’s why they like it. See how that works? So if I’m a business and if I hire Tanner, Tanner is an American citizen. I got to pay Tanner enough to where Tanner can get by, right? I’m not talking living wage. That’s different. It depends on the job. But I’m going to pay Tanner a certain amount, and it’s going to be a competitive amount, or Tanner’s going to go to the guy down the street. If I can get illegal immigrants… Well, Andy, but you’re not paying them enough to get by. It doesn’t matter because they’re also doing something Tanner doesn’t do. They’re getting a lot of welfare payouts. They’re getting a lot of state money. That comes from the taxpayers. Basically, the taxpayers are helping pay my employees. How is that right? And with that going on, I don’t blame Christine Ohm and the Trump administration for saying, tell you what, let’s up it to three. Get out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you think? It doesn’t that really stay state? how expensive these people are and how desperately we need them out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I mean, you see it in every major city that allows mass or allowed mass deportations and is keeping them, like our city, Denver. The cities are going to crap because we have no more money left in the state or the city to give or to actually benefit the actual citizens. Instead, it’s all going to the illegals who aren’t benefiting us at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. I mean, are you on a health care plan?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Well, you know what the health care plan is for an illegal immigrant?
SPEAKER 05 :
None. None.
SPEAKER 15 :
The emergency room.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, you see how that works? Because they’ve got to take anybody who comes in. Okay? Guess who is funding a lot of that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Taxpayers.
SPEAKER 15 :
You are the taxpayer. And so these people are very, very, very expensive. And here’s another big thing, folks, housing. You know, we’ve been talking about the housing crisis. You’re a young guy. Would you like to own a house?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, and it’s too expensive for anyone unless you’re in the top 1%.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know, but, well, not 1%, but it’s up there, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Tanner… Wouldn’t you like houses to be cheaper?
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Well, houses skyrocketed during the Biden years at a time when they really shouldn’t have. The economy at large should not have supported rising housing costs. In fact, they should have gone down because interest rates were skyrocketing. Right. Okay. So housing costs should have really gone down. I mean a lot during that time because rates were going way up. And usually that bounces out. Not totally. Okay. well it didn’t why because you you had 15 million new people getting homes okay and you can say well they were getting some of the cheaper homes yeah but that just moves other people to the next home right okay to the next to the next to the next the bottom line is you can’t take 15 million people stuff them into your economy and not have housing costs go up you can’t do it so When Trump wants to get rid of these illegal immigrants, one thing he’s doing is helping the affordability of life for you, Tanner. Why? Because your wages go up and the cost of housing goes what?
SPEAKER 05 :
Down. Right. Well, I mean, in England right now, they’re having to build a house every two minutes just to supply for all the illegals they have coming in. And they don’t have enough workers for that. So housing prices have skyrocketed there, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and by the way, look at a map at England. They don’t have that much land, guys. I mean, what are you going to do?
SPEAKER 05 :
And all of those structures are already so old, so you’ve got to tear down half of them just to build new ones.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. I mean, look, they don’t have the kind of land. Europe, by the way, is coming to the realization they need to listen to Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I don’t understand. America doesn’t seem to understand what Trump is doing for them right now. I think they will in 26. We’re going to have an economic boom. But they’re not getting it right now, okay? Folks, you don’t understand what Trump is doing for you. He is lowering the cost of housing first through lowering interest rates because they are going down, down, down. They’re just started. They’re going to go way down when he puts a new guy in there. Interest rates are going to go down, down, down. Inflation has not gone up. It’s still under 3%. It came in at 2.7 at the last rating, which was well below what they expected. And he is removing millions of people who are making your housing cost more.
SPEAKER 05 :
Driving everything up, basically.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. A lot of it was rentals. So what would happen is this. You’d say, gee, I’d like to buy a house in this neighborhood. And ordinarily, there would be 10 houses available in that neighborhood. Well, instead, there’s only five. Why? Because five of them are owned by companies who only rent them out. And who can they rent them to? Illegals. And so the illegals will rent them. And you’re saying, well, where are they getting the money? Well, first of all, they’re barely paying any taxes while making the money doing their jobs. And secondly, they are getting all kinds of freebies through the system. So with all the freebies through the system and barely paying any taxes, they got the money to pay that rent. Well, that just took a house off the market. Now there’s only five in that neighborhood instead of 10. But guess what? There are just as many tanners wanting to buy those five. Right. Price went up. See how that works? Folks, Donald Trump is doing an amazing thing right now. Getting these people out of the country is a spectacular thing. Your wages are going to go up. The cost of housing is going to go down. The lines at the emergency room are going to go down. Everything is going to get better. Schools. Think about schools. What is it costing in your taxes? To take care of the kids of illegals in schools.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they’ve even shut down some schools and turned them into housing for the illegals. So then you’re pushing kids into schools that are already full. Right. And it’s damaging the American children and their learning process.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and by the way, they don’t speak the American language, which is English.
SPEAKER 05 :
So now you have to hire all these new teachers now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. You have to have all the teachers got to be bilingual.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s more expensive. You got to pay for that, folks. Getting a bilingual teacher is more expensive. Okay. And you got to get more of them. And it slows everything down, folks. This is going to be wonderful. Anyway, all I want to do is say this. Thank you, Trump administration. Merry Christmas to all of us. Thank you for doing this. And by the way, for everyone who is an illegal immigrant who takes this, here’s what they say. First of all, you’re going to get $3,000. You’re going to go home, live like a king. And you’re put on a list and you are even going to be one of those who might be allowed back once we get the levels down.
SPEAKER 05 :
That sounds perfect. If I was an illegal, I’d take that immediately.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would too.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re giving me money to leave and a trip and then I can come back?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Through legal process.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, Tom Holman is going to get around to you eventually if you stay. Okay?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s working through it. Okay. Well, there you go. I’m just saying, folks, that’s a wonderful thing. Let’s take a break. We’ll be right back with Tanner Coleman. Up next is Cub Creek Heating and Air. Hey, don’t wait for your heater to go out on a cold winter night. Get it checked out with Cub Creek at 303-656-5467.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. And on the line right now, we’ve got Marie from Parker. Marie, what do you have for us?
SPEAKER 16 :
Hi. Hi. Hi there. So I love everything you’re saying. Well, thank you. I’m like waiting with bated breath for it to come to pass. I was just telling my 82-year-old father, just hang in there, hang in there, because he believes in Trump, but he’s kind of disappointed. Question I have. Yeah, go ahead. And just so you know, I’m kind of using a pseudonym right now, because when Trump came into office, I reported a few people to ICE. Um, and they are not criminals. They are not nothing like that, but they have not been deported yet. So I’m just wondering, and they live in Denver. Okay. Wondering, is this going to happen? Will it happen? They’re from Mexico.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I believe it will in time. The big problem, Marie, is simply manpower. I mean, think about this for just a moment. Not only did Joe Biden bring in, I believe, roughly 15 million people. That brings the total to well over 20, maybe over 30. OK, but not only do you got that many of these people, but they are scattered. and ingrained everywhere in the country. That’s not quick. There is no quick way to get rid of them. And, you know, I hate to even put it as get rid of them. I’m sorry, folks, but you’re not here legally.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that’s how I feel.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I can’t go anywhere illegally. Marie, you can’t, right? What’s that? I can’t go anywhere illegally. I can’t. You know, I do movie reviews.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m just furious.
SPEAKER 15 :
I do movie reviews. I pay to go in there. 18 years ago. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
When my children were infants, I have twins, and I had a lot of trips to the ER as children. And I would just, oh, get so angry seeing half of everybody in there I knew were probably not legal. Right. And this was 20 years ago, almost. So it’s just that much worse now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, because for the illegal population, to a large degree, I’m not saying entirely, folks, but to a large degree, the emergency room is their health care. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And so they’re overrunning it in emergency. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And emergency rooms, Marie, emergency rooms are critical. OK, we need them for emergencies. Things are going to happen. I guarantee you in the next day or two, a couple of people are going to get hit out in Parker in accidents. By the way, I drive a lot in Parker. I’ve been out there a lot and you’ve had a lot of accidents lately. OK. Yeah. And you’ve got that hospital there right off of E470 in Parker. That big emergency room there, do you want them tied up with illegal immigrants when somebody’s just been hit by a car? No.
SPEAKER 16 :
It just makes me furious and I’m just Yeah, everything you’re saying, I’m like, yes, yes, yes, yes, but when? When are we going to get to them?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the when is very simply this, Marie. I can’t say when, but they will. They’re pressing as hard as they can. And also, there’s another thing to keep in mind. I know Tom Holman, we all hear about, well, because of the big, beautiful bill, he’s got all this funding, he’s got all this manpower. Marie, that manpower… isn’t ready overnight okay they got to be trained up it takes time and you know and only in step by step by step are they given more and more duties i mean some of them are ex-agents who have done it before but you’ve got a lot of them who are new at this it takes time i really believe and it’s just my personal opinion by mid-2026 they’re going to be in very high gear i think deportations are really going to be ramped up coming into next summer Because all their new funding and manpower is ramping up and going much better.
SPEAKER 16 :
But you’re right. I mean… I was hoping that because I gave them absolute specifics like names, address… What did they say when you did this? I don’t actually have anything against these people, except that they’re stealing our money, you know, but… that type of thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, no. You know, and there’s another thing, Marie, you know, so many people look at it like it’s personal. Like we have something against them. We hate them. No, you don’t understand. Right. You know, wherever you live, Marie, you have a nice house. Yeah. Okay. Could you suddenly have say four new people just put in it? Absolutely not. Right. You couldn’t. Yeah. It’s just see, folks, it’s not a hate thing. It’s a logistics thing. It’s simply you cannot have the one country on the planet that has the best free market. Right. Suddenly import 15 million people from around the world and stuff them into it. And even if they were brought here legally, that would be way too many. We couldn’t do it. OK. And Marie, I mean, they don’t speak the language. They can’t function as well. It’s it slows everything down. And by the way, they’re going to overrun critical services like emergency rooms. It is not a hate or a love thing. It’s a numbers thing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And it’s amazing how many people don’t comprehend that. But I can’t deal with that. I can’t deal with stupid. I’m sorry. I’m just this is an area I do have vitriol about in principle, not for the people personally. No, but but the people who are the principle of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. The people who are in favor of allowing it to continue. And by the way, I think you use a good word. It is stupid. I mean, come on, folks. it is yeah because think of it this way marie and by the way with all those people when you have 15 million people coming across right are they all criminals are they all criminals and drug pushers and rapists right no no not at all like these guys are actually well i know them through a family member yeah and when they came in
SPEAKER 16 :
They were on visitor visas or passes or whatever. I’m sorry, I don’t understand the system completely. Yeah, they overstayed. And they were nice. We had fun. We had like a game night, whatever. But I remember thinking, dude. If you guys plan on staying too long, I didn’t tell them outright.
SPEAKER 15 :
But, Marie, here’s the problem.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now they’re sitting around just collecting money. They’re not even working.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, wow. I didn’t know that. Yeah, this is like four years later. Okay, well, the bad people are the people who either commit crimes or do like you’re saying and live off the system, which is a crime. Okay, because we can’t afford that. It’s simply a matter of numbers. Here’s the problem, Marie. To those people who say, well, they’re not all criminals who come in. First of all, a lot of them were because a lot of these places emptied out their prisons to save money in those nations because they don’t want to pay to house feed, clothe and guard prisoners. So they sent some of the worst of the worst and they sent them in with that 15 million. Here’s the problem. Those are the needles in the haystack. And those needles are sharp and they kill some Americans. And you have American women getting raped and you have American people getting shot and killed and you have American jobs getting lost. And you have Americans losing money either directly or sometimes indirectly through taxes because of these people, you know, who aren’t even working now. The problem is not the needles. It’s the haystack. The problem. So people say, well, why do you got to get rid of all of them? Because with the entire haystack, we can’t find the needles. Right. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, absolutely. And I mean, I was hoping these guys would take Donald Trump’s offer and self-deport and then come back because. Right. Like technically they, you know, they haven’t, there are no violent crimes or anything like that, but just using the system, but no, they haven’t, they haven’t done that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Marie, I hope they, I hope they turn it around. I hope Parker has cleared of them pretty soon because they need to go and they’re costing us money and it’s not working. Thanks Marie. Appreciate it. Thank you. You bet. And that folks is the end of our number two. Tanner, you got to head out. I know you’re going to be here in the next hour. We’re going to do some football. Are you having fun?
SPEAKER 05 :
Having fun.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Yeah. Folks, it’s the haystack. The problem is the haystack. The problem is the 15 million. It’s not just the criminals. It’s the 15 million that they’re embedded in. That’s why you can’t find them. You got to move the haystack. Is that fair? Yep. All right. Let’s take a break for now. That’s it for our number one. In our two, it’s Richard Rush and Tanner giving their NFL picks. I’m going to give my message for what the GOP governor candidate should use as a campaign theme. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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