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Join host John Rush as discussions unfold on pressing issues with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. Amidst a solemn national backdrop, we delve into the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, drawing parallels with historical events to underscore the tragic stoppage of a vital voice in democracy. As political leaders and citizens grapple with this event’s implications, we navigate the challenging conversations on partisanship and ideologies that fuel such violence.
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And it is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Thursday edition. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today during this hour. Steve House as well. Dr. Kelly, I always start with you. How are you today?
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Do you want the real answer or the radio answer?
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s a very solemn day.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah, it’s really a dark day for our country, and I am struggling with it. So I’m looking forward to talking with you and Steve and maybe coming out of the hour feeling better than I do now.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I appreciate you joining us, Steve, as well. Thank you for joining us also.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, I think it’s truly a turning point. I mean, I just witnessed some video that said that there was a book written on Amazon called The Shooting of Charlie Cook, and it was posted 19 hours before it happened. I have a hard time believing it’s not true because it’s in the archive for Amazon. So that just stoked me one more time. I’m like, how could that possibly be true? Now, maybe someone’s making this up, but geez, Opie, did they already know they were going to do this somehow?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that’s a really good question, and I said this yesterday, and the one thing that, and I’ve seen some of this today, and there’s a lot of just vile, disgusting people out there, but There’s also a lot of people that I think are looking at this saying, wait a minute here. We’re going to essentially kill someone over their opinions, over their views, over their speech. Let’s face it. It was a huge assault on free speech yesterday, Dr. Kelly. And I think that’s probably the most – I mean, not only was a life lost. That in itself is a tragedy. But the fact that it was over – a First Amendment right is really the biggest tragedy of all. And I think that’s one of the things I was focused on yesterday with my audience. And I just want to add really quick to all of you that are listening. I have been so touched by the amount of individuals that have, you know, really talked through the text line to me personally and really just highlighting what a show we had yesterday and the fact that we were able to talk about the things we talked about, the fact that on this station, Dr. Kelly and Steve, I am not limited by anything, any way, shape, or form. I can talk about whatever I want to talk about. I didn’t have to hold back anything yesterday at all when it came to talking about Charlie Kirk and the events of the day, and I am very thankful for that. And for all of you that were in support of that, I am very appreciative of all of our listening audience because, again, You know, guys, I would say this. There’s a lot of people on the left that listen to me, and I know that because I get text messages from them occasionally. I will say this, and I will respect all of you on the left. None of you sent anything in on the text line or email that was vile and disgusting like a lot of the things that are out there going around. So at least we had that, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely, and let’s be very clear, this was a political assassination. Charlie Kirk was assassinated for an ideology, no different than the assassination of Martin Luther King or others during the 60s. This is vile, it’s reprehensible, and I don’t believe for a minute that it represents everybody on the left. There were many people, undoubtedly, who disagreed vehemently with what Charlie Kirk had to say but would also denounce what happened to him. I think it is likely a relatively small but very vocal, unfortunately, faction of people who are frankly unhinged they are people who are uh many of them on the autism spectrum many of them are otherwise confused and mentally uh unstable individuals anyone who would celebrate the assassination of another individual who’s out speaking peacefully a father a husband a patriot, someone speaking peacefully and encouraging open debate, that is reprehensible. I can tell you, I remember in 1968 when Martin Luther King was assassinated, my father was no fan of Martin Luther King. But the day it happened, he gathered us all around the kitchen table, and we held hands and we prayed, and he said, this is never an acceptable way. And I’m telling you, I am deeply Charlie Kirk was a friend I’ve known him since he was 18 years old. And this strikes hard. I will tell you right now, though, that I cannot believe that this represents the majority of the left or even a significant part of the left. And that is the only thing that gives me some reason for hope.
SPEAKER 12 :
And what I want to say along those lines, I’m glad you said that, Dr. Kelly, because I, like you, feel similarly, although I think there’s more people on that side than I want there to be that are very vile and are happy that Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday. Although my challenge to those that are not in that camp, just like I would challenge those on our side, like what your dad did, Dr. Kelly, I would say for those that are in that side or that are on that side, that are not in that far left camp and don’t have that same view that a lot of folks on the left that are very vocal have had here over the last 24 hours, what I would challenge all of them to do is you need to calm your side down and really speak some reality into them and really be rational with them. And then on top of that, If you can’t speak to them rationally and have them listen, you need to really check what side of the aisle you’re on. And I mean that sincerely, Dr. Kelly and Steve. If you’re somebody on the left and you don’t like what happened and you’re having a hard time convincing those radical leftists that are out there that what happened yesterday should not have happened, you need to really check what party and who you’re involved with is what I would say, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 06 :
One hundred percent. And I will tell you, I have seen not just a small handful of posts speaking to exactly that point. People saying, look, I’ve been on the left for a long time. But if this is what the left is, if this is who you guys are. I’m switching, so I’m on the wrong side, because I don’t support this. And I agree with you. Part of what needs to happen is no different than when something happens in the name of Islam. You need those Muslims who are not radicalized, who are not violent people, to stand up and speak truth. And if they don’t, then they’re part of the problem. So I agree. It can’t just be the right… speaking outrage. It has to be people who have traditionally considered themselves to be on the left to stand up and saying not only no, but hell no. This is unacceptable. We’ve got to we’ve got to reject that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And Steve, again, I know you want to add some things to this as well. You knew Charlie Kirk as well. You of the three. of us, I would say Dr. Kelly probably knew him the most. Steve, you second. I interviewed him a couple of times here on Rush to Reason, but didn’t know him on any kind of a personal basis other than following him over all of these years and just being enamored. I’ll be straight up honest, enamored at the way he could debate people and do it in a fashion whereby in a lot of cases, and that’s why it was called Turning Point, Steve, in a lot of cases, turning these people into a different direction and getting them to think in a different way than they had when they walked up to the podium.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I met Charlie. He walked into an event in northern Colorado with Eric Trump. And he was 21, almost 22 years of age, and he was around 16, 2016. And I immediately didn’t like him for two reasons. One is he was like 6’5″, and I didn’t like looking up to him and talking to him than the other was. I was never that smart at 21. I’m like, but we said we sat together and talked for an hour about his parents and quitting college. And, you know, the fact that if you were my son, I probably would have lectured him a bit more than his parents did. I saw him 10 or 12 different times, you know, at events. I mean, we knew each other well enough to recognize each other. And he was a, he was a great kid, but here’s the thing about what you were just talking about that I wanted to add in. And that is, um, I actually think that we are only going to survive this kind of thing if we stop letting people hide behind party. So, and what I mean by that is when an individual says something, call out the individual, make sure people know who they are. It’s not just the left. It’s not a small percentage of the left or a larger percentage of the left. Maybe, but every single individual who demonstrates an inability to be morally responsible in society should be called out. Societies don’t work unless you do that. So the guy Dowd gets fired. Clearly, you know, he probably, you know, there’s a challenge there. And if you never saw the movie American President where Michael Douglas is I forgot the other guy that was in Mr. Holland’s opus, but he was listening to him say stuff that he just hated. And when it was his turn to talk, he said, look, freedom means that you can oppose every single thing that man says at the top of your lungs, but you have to stand in front of the crowd and defend his right to say it. And, you know, that’s what freedom really is. But in the meantime, if somebody is morally wrong, really morally wrong, call them out by name, by place, by position. Don’t let them hide behind the party.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what? That’s a great way to state it, Steve. We’ve got to take a break. We’ve got a lot more to come, folks. And, again, recapping some of the events of yesterday. Yes, we have a couple of questions that came in over the past couple of weeks. I know I haven’t been here. I took a little time off. And I’ve got a few questions that came in directly for Steve. Dr. Kelly and Steve, I will get those answered, trust me, but I want to continue down this path as soon as we come back. Dr. Scott Faulkner is up next. Again, if you want a doctor that thinks exactly the way we do, look no further than Dr. Scott, 303-663-6990.
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This is Rush to Reason. And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House with us today, as they are typically on Thursdays during this first hour. And appreciate both of you guys a lot. In fact, really bringing to light some of the things that you guys knew about Charlie on a one-on-one basis. And, again, knowing him much more than I did. But one of the things, Dr. Kelly, that I said yesterday was… along these same lines that, yes, we need to call out these people that commit some of these egregious things, in my opinion, online where they’re celebrating. I mean, truthfully, the celebration of the death of anyone, I don’t care how much you don’t like someone, Dr. Kelly, and you’re the doctor, I’m not, but I’m sorry to say you’ve got to have a screw loose to do that. I’m sorry. In all of my fiber, maybe because of the way I was raised, my belief system, whatever, I just couldn’t ever imagine doing that, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. I think we have a society, unfortunately, John, that has been numbed to the value of life. These people start with there’s so many complicating factors here. We have two generations worth of kids now who are incapable of communication. They think they communicate because they post things on social media. They send a post. They make a podcast. They’re speaking into a void, into a vacuum. They post something. Somebody posts something back. That is not dialogue. Dialogue means going back and forth and actually communicating, having some interchange of ideas. When they are faced with an actual debate, an actual interchange of ideas, which is what Charlie Kirk was all about, they become unglued. They can’t handle it. They don’t know how to function in that world, and therefore they shut it down. It is evil to them. It puts them back on their heels. They only know how to function in a world where there is no fundamental feedback other than a thumbs up or a heart emoji or something like this. So we really have fostered two generations of people incapable of dialogue, incapable of communication. This is a very, very dangerous thing. Because once you’ve done that, you don’t see the humanity in the other side. You feel no empathy, no sympathy, no compassion, no ability to even see that person as a human. So all you see, you become numb to the fact that you see somebody shot in the neck, blood gushing out, and you’re cheering as if you’re watching some kind of a video game. This is a real person. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. And to my – how should I say this, Steve? The way I see this is – and again, I’m not you guys. You are much smarter in this area than I. You and Dr. Kelly both, Steve. But the way I see it is everything Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago, I think I would add that – I think people in that world, they get to the point where they see things two-dimensionally because pictures are always two-dimensional. We don’t see things in 3D when it’s either on – I know there’s movies that can be done that way and so on. But even then, it’s not like being in the real world. And my point is when you see things two-dimensionally and you don’t have that real-life interaction with someone, the majority of the people I feel – not all, but I think the majority of the people that are out there that are acting this way – wouldn’t do that way face-to-face because there’s something different about speaking to somebody right in front of you as opposed to doing it through a video or doing it through a keyboard, of course, the keyboard being the worst, Steve, even video you get a little bit more interaction with. But even then, it’s still just two-dimensional at the end of the day. Am I making sense in what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah. I mean, there was the Netflix special about, you know, the social media concept and you’re describing it exactly. And it’s part of the problem. But there’s another issue I think that we have to think about. Why do people in the country get so mad at government? Why do they get so mad at Donald Trump? Why do they get so mad at Charlie Kirk? Why do they get so mad at Biden and everybody else? People get mad at institutions when they don’t want to look in the mirror. And so you get this hypersensitized political environment where it says somebody says, you know, Charlie Kirk is against this or against that. Well, okay, so what? I mean, he might be. I mean, if he’s up there trying to get votes and drive votes to change a policy that you hate, your answer to that is to get up on the other side and try to get the votes to keep it. People are so dependent, and I think it’s an excuse in so many scenarios. So let’s just talk about Charlie Kirk in that regard. Kirk, when I met him, I’m sure when Kelly did, it was even worse. The guy had no money. He had a plan. He had an idea. He had no money. He wasn’t going anywhere with it. He was hanging around with the Trumps, which was good, but that was 16. But he never let anything get in his way. He built a company that’s got $81 million in revenue, yada, yada, yada. We need more people to realize. that our lives do not depend on this government, and we should not act like they do. We should not get mad at the government. We should try to change it when necessary, but if you hold the government accountable for everything bad that happens in your life, you ain’t going anywhere.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, but not in defense of these people, because it’s defenseless in that regard, but we’ve had now… I don’t know, Steve, how many generations of Marxist ideology taught through our public school systems, and some of that’s even worked its way into some of the private schooling institutions that are out there, and especially all of our colleges that are out there, even some of the Christian colleges, by the way. So the reality is what you just said has been, though, driven into several generations now to where government is God. It is the replacement for him. And the reality is, yeah, we’re going to be critical of that because and we’re going to rely on that because that’s what we’ve been taught.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m not saying you shouldn’t be critical of it. I’m just saying that you shouldn’t blame your life trouble.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know me. I’m totally on your side. All I’m saying is we’ve got multiple generations now that have been taught to do exactly the opposite of what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it’s because we didn’t fight for it two generations ago. Amen. We didn’t do it right. I mean, you’re the perfect example, John. I mean, you’re a business guy. You have a certain level of education. Your job and your daily life is encompassed by family and business production and customers and things like that. I mean, politics comes into your life. Government comes into your life because they tax you, they regulate you, they do a lot of things. But I don’t think John Rush, at the end of it all, is going to measure his life depending on how bad the government was. He’s going to measure his life on what he did. There are a lot of people, John, who are not like that, and they get so angry at the government when I say vote, drive change, do something else. But anger is not the answer. It’s action that we need.
SPEAKER 12 :
I cannot disagree with that at all. And I talked about this a little bit yesterday, Dr. Kelly. I mean, again, I am one that I do believe that everything that Steve said is correct. The trouble is, and this is the question I guess I have for you, and I’ll have Steve comment on this once you’re done, is how do we reverse all of this Marxist ideology? I mean, I said yesterday that essentially I’m at a point now where I’m tired of calling the left the left. I’m going to start calling them for what they really are. They’re Marxist. Now, they may not think they are, and I gave this example yesterday. You know, you may not call yourself a Christian, but if you attend church and you tithe and you help out in some volunteerism that’s there and so on, and you spend quite a bit of time there, I mean, you might not consider yourself a Christian, but I can tell you what, Dr. Kelly, everybody else that knows you is probably going to consider you one because of the way that you act, the way you believe, what you do, your actions, and so on. I look at the left very much the same way. You may not call yourself a Marxist, but you’re supporting and believing and doing everything that the Marxists want done on the left side of the aisle. So, in fact, you definitely are one, and I’m tired of not calling them that. I’m going to call them for what they are. They’re Marxists.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree with that. But I think ideology, you put ideology aside for a minute and look at their approach, the approach of whatever you want to call them, the left, radicals, progressives, Marxists, their approach to anything they don’t like is violent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
is to eliminate it. That is very, very different. And this gets to the bigger point. I’ve talked about it on this show half a dozen times. The idea that we now are two generations in with people who have not been taught how to handle adversity, rejection, loss. Everybody gets surprised. Started with everybody gets surprised. Everybody makes the team. Everybody makes the test. You don’t invite somebody to the prom because you might get rejected. So we go as a group. Nobody doesn’t make it. We have two generations of people who cannot deal with something they don’t like. And when they are faced with it, they’ve been led to believe if you are sad, if you are depressed, if you’re lonely, if you’re lost, if you didn’t make the team, if you didn’t pass the test, it’s somebody else’s fault. And you have a right to reprisal for that. And so we have taught people that the way to handle everything they don’t like is to lash out, be angry with it, and eliminate it, to extinguish it. That is not how conservatives act. It’s not, I don’t care, call me what you want. Whether you call me a capitalist, a conservative, a Republican, a right-winger, whatever it is. The difference is my approach to things. I don’t extinguish. things with which I disagree. I debate them. I try to come up with a better argument.
SPEAKER 12 :
Steve, that really comes down to, we talk about it a lot on this station, is it’s the force versus freedom, which is exactly what Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago. The left, that side wants to force things upon people, what you say, how you think, what you do, and so on. Our side, though, Steve, you, I, Dr. Kelly, many like us, we believe in the freedom side of the equation, meaning that, you know what, Steve, you do you, I’ll do me. At the end of the day, if we’ve got some differences, okay, so what? We can bury those even and still be friends at the end of the day. I may not agree with what you’re doing, but you know what? So what? As long as you’re good and you’re not harming me, you’re not harming society, we’re all good. That is not the way the other side looks at it.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, for the most part. I mean, there are some conservatives that have a little bit lacking in that category. I agree. You know, I’ve always believed freedom is doing whatever you want to do as long as you don’t force someone to do something they don’t want to do. And I think that’s what real freedom is. The question is, and the question that should be discussed is, Literally, and I don’t mean figuratively, I don’t mean just a verbal response, but what would you do if you lived in New York and Mondami became the mayor and said, I’m artificially lowering rent, I’m opening grocery stores and you must shop there. I mean, what are you going to do? How do you stand up against Marxism? How do you stand up against communism or socialism? How do you do that? And most people are not strong enough to do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I was just going to say my answer would be I’m not living there. I mean, again, I know that’s easy to say because I’m not a New Yorker, but I’ve known lots of New Yorkers that have moved out for even less reasons than what you’re talking about. So I think for me personally and I think some that have any kind of means at all, it would be the best for them to just leave if that were to happen which by the way then the city really fails because your wealth starts to disappear and typically by the way for all of you listening that are on that side of the aisle that’s what happens dr kelly as you know history proves that the things steve just mentioned when those things do take place the rich leave i mean those that have any kind of means will just go away and therefore your means of even taxation are now gone and that’s why everybody gets poorer under those types of circumstances
SPEAKER 06 :
a absolutely you know it’s not lost to me by the way that this is the twenty fourth anniversary of nine eleven that’s right in new york is about to elect somebody who i was this uh… the viewpoints of the people who perpetrated those crimes uh… it but the reality is you’re right anybody who has the ability to leave new york is going to the tax base is going to evaporate people are going to take their kids out of public school because they can they’re going to leave they’re going to go to other parts of the state or to another state entirely because they can, and you are going to create Venezuela in New York City overnight.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. That’s right. That’s exactly right. So, I mean, ultimately for me, Steve, I mean, the way I would fight it is I would leave, let it all – quote unquote, burn to the ground to where at the end of the day, those people start to realize that, you know what, we need a different kind of leadership. We can’t continue to do this. There’s no more wealth left. The city isn’t what it used to be. By the way, it’s on its way there now. Anyways, this will just fast track everything if, in fact, he gets elected. And there’s a high probability, Steve, that he will.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, I think you’re going down the path that I was about to approach, which is Colin Woodard wrote a book back in 2011 about the 11 rival regional cultures in North America. When we talk about what we don’t disagree with the left on and the tension and the passion I mean, we’ve got some real serious regional culture problems that, you know, like you said, I wouldn’t live in New York. I know some conservatives who live in New York because they’re in love with the culture of the city, but they hate the politics. I do think that we’re trending in a direction where people moving away from the thing they hate, that they despise, to something they love is why states like Idaho and, you know, Eastern Oregon and, you know, Northern Colorado are becoming more occupied because people just aren’t going to put up with it. We still need people who will fight back. Fight back sometimes is walking away and ignoring the fight, and other times they’re going to keep bringing it to you. That’s the problem with the left. You can go to Idaho, but eventually they’re coming to Idaho because they are forced by their own beliefs to make you believe what they believe. They are going to make you believe what they believe one way or the other, and unfortunately we saw evidence of Some of that yesterday, we haven’t seen the shooter yet, but I believe that was an attempt to make us believe what they believe.
SPEAKER 12 :
I would agree with you wholeheartedly. Dr. Kelly, your comments?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I’m not sure exactly that we know who funded the shooter yesterday. It’ll be very interesting to see. I suspect they will ultimately find someone. I don’t think for a minute that the, quote, weapon that they found wrapped in a towel in the woods nearby had anything. That was a plant, as far as I can tell. This was a highly sophisticated, well-coordinated, likely well-funded assassination. I wouldn’t put it past people, really the elites, to be behind this ultimately in an attempt to set off civil war. These are the sorts of things. The country, I have not seen the country this upset and this angry for decades. What happened yesterday, I think people, this was not just the tragic assassination of of an innocent young man. This was, I mean, this was, I believe, the onset of potentially of war because there are factions in this country that really benefit from the United States being in tremendous turmoil. It gives a huge advantage to people, you know, the Chinese. It gives a huge advantage to the Russians, gives a huge advantage to people outside this country. So I think there are truly evil satanic factions that are at play here. And it’s going to be a while before we figure out exactly who those people are.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us. You can find out more about Dr. Kelly on our website, RushToReason.com. All right, before we move on, and I’ve got a couple more questions regarding what happened yesterday, but before we do that, I promised folks I would get these questions in today, Dr. Kelly. And this one is, I’ve been trying to skip lunch, and I often get a headache if I don’t eat. Do you think this is dehydration or low blood sugar? And on that topic, do you consider alcohol as a refined sugar?
SPEAKER 06 :
I missed the very first part. He often tries to skip breakfast.
SPEAKER 12 :
Skip lunch and then gets a headache because they don’t eat.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think sometimes it’s not uncommon to get a headache. It can be from both dehydration, that’s the number one thing I would look at, but also from you’re used to having constant, constant glucose, constant influx of sugar, and it takes a while to get used to it. Most people, if they do it routinely, if they do it regularly and get into that habit, that will go away. I’m a big fan of intermittent fasting. I try not to eat until closer to 11 o’clock in the morning. So I have either what you’d call a very, very late breakfast or a very early lunch, one of But I will get a headache in the morning if I’ve gotten too long without putting some food in the tank. So I would start by trying some additional fluids instead of breaking your fast. Try that first and see if it helps.
SPEAKER 12 :
Would it help in this particular case, and you’re the doctor, I’m not, but even to maybe add like some electrolyte mix or something along those lines, as long as it’s not high in sugar, would there be any value to that as well?
SPEAKER 06 :
You can, but most people, frankly, most people believe that they need more salt than they do. We have a third generation of people who grew up on Gatorade. When Gatorade was high in sodium and was intended really for elite athletes, not the casual individual. It’s one thing if you’re out, if you’re running a marathon or you’re working out in the sun for hours on end, but your average person gets plenty of electrolytes through daily intake, believe me. If anything, most people get way too much salt, not too little. So I generally don’t recommend that people go to electrolyte supplements.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Last question. And if you had a question, by all means, text us. Go ahead. Go ahead, Steve.
SPEAKER 03 :
John Kelly needs to be honest that when she has that breakfast or that morning snack, it’s usually one carrot and a stalk of broccoli. Not everybody can do that. Yeah, there we go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I forgot the other part of the question. Yeah, the alcohol is a refined sugar.
SPEAKER 12 :
Is it? Or what’s your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it’s not a refined sugar. I mean, there’s no question there. You know, there’s a lot of debate right now about alcohol. And I still believe that the literature shows that alcohol in moderation is actually cardioprotective and actually can decrease your risk of certain cancers. Obviously, too much alcohol is a real problem. And there’s a lot of debate about that right now. Alcohol also tends to… and cause your not increase and therefore you can end up with hypoglycemia with low blood sugar because you get a surge of insulin so it acts as if it’s a refined sugar when in fact is not you get a surge of insulin that can lead to and that’s actually what tends to wake people up if you’ve had quite a bit to drink and you go to bed Many people will find that they wake up at 1 or 2 in the morning, and the thing that’s waking you up is low blood sugar. It’s because you’ve had an insulin spike, your blood sugar has dropped a little bit, and that’s what actually wakes you up and makes it more difficult to fall back to sleep. But it is not, in fact, a refined sugar.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are cancer cells considered a parasite?
SPEAKER 06 :
No. Cancer cells are not a parasite. There’s been a lot of, I think, again, confusion about because there are anti-parasitic drugs, specifically drugs like ivermectin, fenbendazole, bebendazole, that work remarkably well against cancer. That does not mean that cancer is a parasite. They are not parasitic. Cancer cells are cells that are growing abnormally. They have They have lost their ability to maintain sort of slow or controlled growth, but cancer is not a parasite.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so it is not a parasite, even though some of those other things might actually help. That’s where the confusion comes in that folks think it’s a parasite when, in fact, it’s not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. I mean, there are lots of, you know, the medication, you know, Viagra is a medication, you know, that was intended for blood pressure. You know, people take it because it works for erectile dysfunction. That doesn’t mean that erectile dysfunction is caused by a blood pressure problem. They’re totally different. It’s a different mechanism of action. So but there’s been a lot of confusion because these antiparasitic drugs work to treat many cancers. And we are finding out more and more about that. I think there’s been some misinterpretation that that means that cancer itself. And there are people out there claiming on the Internet that cancer is a parasite. I defy anyone to to. show me a study where that’s actually borne out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because isn’t, and again, you guys are way smarter than I am. Steve gave me way too much credit earlier on all of my education, so when I was lucky to get a high school guy, so I don’t have near the education understanding of things like you two do, but I always thought a parasite was something external to where cancer actually is a part of the cell. It attacks the cell. Am I right or wrong in my thought process, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, cancer is where one of your own innate cells starts to grow erratically. Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s in the cell is my point, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
It begins with a normal breast cell or prostate cell or colon cell or lung cell. That now starts to grow, and it can happen for multiple reasons, including disruption or injury to the DNA, which starts to therefore grow erratically. It can also be exacerbated by metabolic issues. Cancers grow and feed off of glucose and sugar and high insulin. And therefore, so there are both metabolic components and DNA genetic components that can cause it, but it starts with one of your own innate cells that then begins to grow erratically.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or I’m assuming damage from radiation, things like that as well, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. Correct. Environmental factors.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. All right. So my thought process was correct because a parasite is something external, not internal. Is that the right way to say it? I mean, external to the cell, I mean, internal in your body, of course, but external to the cell, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. It’s external to the cell, and it grows. It requires the energy. It requires the cell in order to grow. A parasite cannot live on its own. It has to live off of the host.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. That makes total sense. Thank you, by the way. I think that’s a great explanation. I think there’s a lot of folks out there that… To your point, this is all over the Internet. And, Steve, one of the things that we always are on constantly is, you know, make sure you’re doing your research. Listen to the right people. Don’t get caught up in groupthink, which, by the way, is a lot of what we were talking about earlier in regards to what happened yesterday. You know, we need to be independent thinkers and realizing what’s going on around us on our own with our own research and not just regurgitating something else that’s spewed out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and you should really look at research from a – all sides perspective i mean you can’t just look at it’s like reading just fox news right i mean you really need to look at both sides that’s right that’s right the parasite thing is interesting because we have ivermectin because of um and probably hydroxychloroquine because of river blindness um in africa where parasites get in people’s retinas and they destroy their retinas and they can’t see anymore. So parasites definitely are on the inside of the body, but as Kelly said, they’re not cancer.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And by the way, along these same lines, Dr. Drew, which is a good friend of yours, Dr. Kelly as well, also was on Fox News today talking about Charlie Kirk’s assassination yesterday and showing the deadly cost of dehumanization. I thought because that article came out today and his comments and you knowing him, that would be a great way to sort of recap and end today’s program.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, and Drew was saying very much what I was just talking about, this idea of when you do not communicate, when you don’t actually learn how to have dialogue, it’s very easy to dehumanize the other side. You don’t really even see them as individuals. And many of these kids, I think, who have become radicalized, who are out there screeching and cheering about how happy they were that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Our kids whose entire lives are born out in their basements, really, and playing on social media where they have very little human-to-human interaction. And that dehumanization is a very real thing, and it’s very dangerous.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it is. And why I wanted to close with that and spend the last few minutes here talking about things is we, if we’re not careful, and I’ve seen it happen even to folks on our side. I’ve even talked to some listeners at times where it’s like, you know, you’re on the verge of just really regurgitating what somebody else said without going out and doing your own research. You’re literally just spewing out something you read or something came across your feed. And you guys know me. To your point, Dr. Kelly, I’m one where… And Steve said this as well. I don’t just watch one news outlet. I don’t go to just one website. I go to all of them. I look at all sides. I subscribe to even some of them whereby I’m getting leftist propaganda, if you would, on a daily basis that I’m regurgitating and going through and looking at. There’s a local publication here, Colorado Sun. I look at their stuff every single day. And I actually sent an email in to them today basically saying, what, no news on Charlie Kirk? Because there was literally nothing on their website about Charlie Kirk. And I said, this shows you guys as true colors given the fact you will not even talk about what happened yesterday because most likely you don’t agree with what he said. Doesn’t mean you can’t report on it. And shame on them, Dr. Kelly and Steve, for not doing so.
SPEAKER 03 :
the greatest example of critical thinking and courage that you could possibly have would be to call something that is wrong wrong if it happens to your worst enemy and you know not having the courage to call it wrong to call it out regardless of what you if you hated charlie if you thought that what he said was horrible Calling out an assassination is still an example of somebody who is morally grounded and a critical thinker and what’s good for society. And if you don’t do that as a newspaper, you should be held accountable.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. And Dr. Kelly, I held them accountable by sending in an email. I doubt highly whether I get any kind of response back on that because that’s the kind of organization that – They are, of course. But we and some of you out there listening are saying, you know, how do we you know, how do we respond to some of these things? Steve talked about it earlier. What do we do? Well, Dr. Kelly, that was one thing I did today. Now I’ll do a lot more than that. Of course, we’re doing it on air right now as we speak as well. But I’m going to take you know, I’m going to take it upon myself when those sorts of things happen to me. That’s just. You’re a publication locally. You’re actually collecting funds even from people because of what you’re producing. You talk about all the stuff going on in the state and nationally and Trump and so on and on and on we go and very much on the left side of the aisle. And yet you can’t even put out that Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday. That’s wrong. Exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. But you shouldn’t be surprised. Look what happened just a few days prior in North Carolina, this heinous murder of a young, innocent white woman by a, you know, 14 time arrested felon.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
who knifed her in the neck, and most of those news outlets never reported it. Compare that to what happened during the Daniel Penny incident, where Daniel Penny tried to protect people on a train and ended up… putting a black man in a chokehold and resulting in his death. But the hypocrisy of the mainstream media not reporting on the horrific murder of this young Ukrainian woman was absolutely despicable. And they didn’t report on it because it didn’t fit their narrative, because it doesn’t. fit the narrative when a black man who should have been in prison had no right being out in in public when he murders a an innocent white woman that doesn’t fit the narrative and that’s wrong these guys they should be reporting the news and we have got to hold them accountable to that
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. I am. And Steve, this is something that I commented on this morning. And you tell me if I’m right, wrong or otherwise. But had yesterday’s events in the assassination of Charlie Kirk been some famous and there isn’t any right now. But let’s just say that Charlie Kirk was black. And he was running around on college campuses defending what college campuses believe in and doing it the opposite of what Charlie Kirk did. And somebody from our side, granted, we don’t know which side of the spectrum the shooter was from, but I can pretty much guess which side they were because nobody on our side of the aisle is going to do that. But let’s just say that the roles reverse. And this was a black speaker running around to college campuses and one of our side had killed them. There would have been rioting in the streets last night, Steve.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, no doubt. We’ve seen it. I mean, there was riding in the streets over a guy dying of a heart attack in Minneapolis who was a drug addict, a rapist, and a bunch of other things, let alone, you know, somebody that was an activist, you know, standing up talking. I mean, you’re absolutely right. I mean, it’s a double-edged sword. It’s a standard. And we’ve gotten that callous. We’ve gotten that callous as a nation where, you know, in reality that somebody can be murdered and we can look at it and go, yeah, it’s all right.
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That guy doesn’t agree with me. You know, I don’t like what he says. You know, just because I don’t like what he says means he’s somehow a bad guy. That’s what we talked about earlier on social media, and that’s really ridiculous.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I agree. And again, Dr. Kelly, I don’t think I’m wrong, and I couldn’t think of a good example. I mean, maybe an AOC or somebody along those lines, if she had been assassinated yesterday, I think you’d even have a different outcome last night, you know, rioting, marching in the streets, and so on. Yet our side didn’t do any of that last night, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Of course not. There were prayer vigils instead and respectful people saying, stop this. We are calling for peace. We are calling for nonviolence. Enlist any left activist. I don’t care if you’re talking Rosie O’Donnell, AOC, whoever it is. I don’t wish I abhor those individuals and their politics. I do not ever wish harm on them personally. It would be wrong. And we’ve got we cannot have stoop to that level. And but you’re right. Had that happened, there would be police cars flipped over and dumpster fires and cars, you know, cars. stores would be looted and destroy you would be death and destruction all over and and that is Absolutely how unfortunately the other side behaves. It’s so predictable. It’s not even you know Look, we don’t even need to beat around the bush. We know what it is Everyone expects it and even the people on our side to become numb to it. You’re like, oh here we go again You know if you know what to expect and And unfortunately, I’m hopeful that maybe with this absolutely tragic and inexcusable assassination, that maybe some of those people on the left who are more moderate, who are more capable of critical thought, will actually use their platforms to say enough is enough. This is not OK.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and here’s the plus side I want to end on today. So segueing perfectly, Steve, I’ll start with you. I’ve got multiple questions. Text messages today from people talking about young people that they know, even videos that are out there that have been replayed where there’s lots of young people, high school age kids even, talking about Charlie Kirk, how much respect they had for him. I had a long talk with my son today, and my grandkids, which are only eight, seven, eight years of age, them talking about it. I mean, the reality— Steve, is I do think that there’s going to be a lot of young people that look at this and say, wait a minute, time out. This is not right. This whole group thinking, just because you don’t like the way somebody acts or talks or what they do on college campuses in regards to debates doesn’t give anybody the right to take their life. I think in a lot of ways, Steve, this is going to backfire on the left.
SPEAKER 03 :
No doubt about it, although I would tell you, John, as bad as yesterday was, the fact that no one got up. when that young woman got killed on that train, and she bled to death laying next to the panel in front of a seat, and five people walked past her while she bled to death. I am more concerned about that than a political assassination, because that is just… wake your children up and say, when someone’s in trouble like that, maybe if somebody had applied pressure to her carotid, she might have survived.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
But there was no one there to help. They just didn’t help her.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I can’t disagree with that at all. Dr. Kelly, you have the last word. We’ve got a minute left.
SPEAKER 06 :
I was going to say, the other thing I would be remiss to not point out is that in the Congress— uh yesterday when marjorie taylor greene asked for a moment of silence prayer for charlie kirk and it was the democrats there’s no question it was the democrats not booing saying no uh it’s screeching absolutely not when you can’t pray for someone who is just gunned down in cold blood You really have lost your moral compass.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, that’s exactly right. All right, I’ll leave it at that. Guys, thank you. Keep your chin up. I know you guys will. I rely on you deeply on a weekly basis. Appreciate and love both of you dearly. I know our listeners do as well. Steve, I’ll let you go. Thank you so much for all you do.
SPEAKER 03 :
I love you guys, too. You’re fantastic.
SPEAKER 12 :
I appreciate you. Dr. Kelly, love you, too. I mean that sincerely. Our listeners do as well. Thanks for all you do for us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you, and we’ll talk soon.
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All right, winding up today, and yes, this is the anniversary of 9-11, of course, and we’ll talk a little bit more about that throughout the day as well. We’re by no means, you know, passing up the meaning of today. There’s a lot of young people, by the way, that are… Focused on what happened yesterday with Charlie Kirk, rightfully so. On the same token, we need to remind those same young people of what happened on 9-11 because there’s a lot of young people out there that have no idea what happened and the significance of. And it’s our job as folks that live through that to let them know exactly what happened on that day and not forget it in any way, shape, or form. So we’ve got two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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