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In this episode of Rush to Reason, we welcome back Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House to dissect the latest developments in the political healthcare landscape. The trio addresses the contentious issues with the MAHA report and explores the internal dynamics of the Trump administration. With a focus on transparent governance and effective problem-solving, they propose solutions to streamline operations and enhance policy implementation in both healthcare and politics.
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All right. Happy Thursday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us today. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us. Let me bring her up. Hello, Dr. Kelly. How are you?
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Hey, I’m great. Thanks for having me.
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Always a joy. Steve House as well. Welcome, sir. Hey, guys. How are you? Doing very well. Appreciate you joining us. For those of you listening maybe for the first time, you can find all about Dr. Kelly Victory on our website, RushToReason.com. There’s an entire page dedicated, and all of our past shows and things we’ve discussed are there as well, and you’re free to actually take the different episodes we’ve had throughout the years and forward those on to somebody if you would like. And then Steve House, of course. Steve, you were instrumental in getting all of this set up and handled between us and Dr. Kelly, oh, some five years. years ago or so now, and give folks, again, we have folks listening each time, each week, I should say, for the first time, and I always forget that. Tell people what you do, sir.
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I am an executive sort of consultant in health care. I take on issues that help hospitals who are distressed or, you know, trying to improve the quality of care, care services. I take on issues and help them improve all across the country. And right now it’s mostly been about distressed hospitals and people facing the wrath of PBMs more than anything else. Okay.
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Dr. Kelly, any update? I know we had you on last week and you talked about what happened the prior week when it comes to the White House, the Surgeon General, all the things that are happening inside of the Maha movement. Any updates you want to share with us this week?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, I think the biggest news is that the Maha report was found to be riddled with problems, with errors. There were false and nonexistent citations, or the things that were cited were studies that don’t exist. It appears that there are people within the White House, within the movement, who are working to undermine Secretary Kennedy, if not Donald Trump himself, because the report, as I said, was false. poorly done and is not factually correct, it turns out. It ended up being quite a blight on HHS and on the secretary and on the president as a result. I believe that I’m seeing things that are causing me grave concern with regard to what’s happening in the movement. I think that they’ve got some bad actors in there. This is not any different from my perspective than with Anthony Fauci, being so close to Donald Trump in the first administration, getting him bad advice. Rochelle Walensky lying to him purposely. Deborah Birx acknowledging that she was participant in lies. It looks to me like, fast forward, we have the new administration, MAHA, but I suspect that there are people in there who are either jockeying for Bobby Kennedy to make another run for president or who have another agenda in mind because it was not a good week for MAHA.
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Steve, how do we avoid this, you know, not only now but in the future? And everything that Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago, I mean, A, how do you vet better these individuals that are there knowing who’s actually on your team and who’s not, who’s trying to undermine, who’s trying to, you know, lift things up? You know, how do we… Correct this because, you know, we’re just in the beginning stages. I mean, granted, the years rolling by quickly this first year of Donald Trump’s presidency. But there’s, you know, three, you know, not quite in a half years, but getting close to that left of his presidency. And yet we just seem to have one. And I’m not blaming anybody. I’m just asking your, you know, your opinion on this. But seems like we have one hiccup after another, after another.
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Well, it probably has more to do with just the nature of politics, which is incentives are wrong, lifetime careers are wrong, you know, political, you know, fiefdoms that, you know, Lindsey Graham spending $800,000 on a hotel in Ukraine is wrong. I mean, it’s just this… really, really the belief that you can get away with almost anything and there’s a power base there that once you’re in it, money and fame is yours and they treat people like they’re famous. So people will do almost anything to get power and it’s unfortunate because the whole political system is just not incentivized for good behavior.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, that I fully understand. With all that being said, though, Dr. Kelly, we’ve got this movement. Donald Trump ran on this movement. He and Robert Kennedy Jr. both ran on that particular end of things. Let’s make America healthy again. There’s a lot of things going on with our population where we spend gobs of money on things we shouldn’t have to if we would just get people on a better track in the first place. And again, as I said a moment ago, yet we just continue to have hurdle after hurdle or stub our toe. I don’t know exactly how to say that, or we’re stubbing our toe over the hurdle. I don’t know how you want to say it, but regardless, we seem to not be moving forward, at least in the speed I would like to see us move forward in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I agree. And there are things that are happening that are inexplicable to me. How is it that we have still not removed the mRNA shots from the market despite the overwhelming evidence, the data that is irrefutable that they are causing harms? They make this sort of, you know, very minor adjustment that, oh, we’re going to change the recommendations for children and pregnant women. OK, so we’re going to continue giving them to everybody else. I mean, this is this is ridiculous. Then you’ve got a new mRNA vaccine that they’re rolling out. You know, now they’re talking about a new Moderna vaccine that has gotten the approval of Robert Kennedy. When I sat at that event at the White House, there were so many people on the panel, including people like Brooke Rollins from the USDA and her entire reason for being there. And I’m not saying that she’s a bad person, but her entire reason for being there was to let everybody know that she was protecting big food, that she’s going to protect them, that she won’t let Robert Kennedy… Just, you know, remove all of the fertilizers and pesticides and everything that they use to to make sure that they get the most yield from their crops. Everybody has a dog in this fight. And as a result, nothing is getting done. Nothing really meaningful has gotten done. And I am surprised to see it. I don’t I think that, as I said, I suspect that there are forces there. largely big pharma and big food and big tech, by the way. We’ve got Bobby Kennedy supporting this idea of AI and of mining data and of making sure that people’s personal health data is going to be so useful to the government. There are things that I’m hearing that I don’t like, and I suspect it’s because the strings that are being pulled are the same ones that they always pull the strings. Big ag, big pharma, big tech. And you can look at people like Susie Wiles, chief of staff. She came from big pharma, and I think she’s there to make sure that everybody stays in their lane.
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Steve, your thoughts on all of that?
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I think, again, if you really think about what she just said, she’s 100% right. There’s a reason why Suzy and the team would try to stop COVID-19 from coming down if they are big pharma. And they just have those conversations, right? They internally have those conversations and say, look, I don’t think we should do it yet, Mr. President. Let’s delay. Let’s wait. There’s bigger fish to fry, bigger problems. And people will delay things like this indefinitely simply because it somehow helps a friend of theirs, themselves personally. People don’t get arrested for that kind of crap anywhere in government. You get away with this stuff all the time, John. I mean, it’s like open season. We are in a situation where our government is more corrupt than it was at the time it was formed because of the British. There’s no question about it.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Dr. Kelly, Victory, Steve House. Okay, back to this report, Dr. Kelly. What does the White House or, you know, what does the administration do moving forward? A, to correct this, and then B, make it look like, you know, not only correct it, but get the egg off of her face.
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Yeah, well, I think all you can do is is try to make the corrections and then relaunch it. But it’s a permanent blight. You know, there was a lot of pomp and circumstance about it. You know, here we are with the new report. It comes out and it turns out it makes it appear that it’s. You know, that there are bits of it that are out and out fraudulent. You know, when you are citing a study that doesn’t exist, somebody did that purposefully. That isn’t, you know, that somebody missed, you know, missed posted something or they put the wrong page numbers or they have the wrong citation in terms of the year. They made up the names of studies. And put them in there. Why would you do that? So I don’t really know the answer to the question of how they fix this, John. It’s going to take a while. I think they’re just right now they’re just sort of hoping it’s going to go away and focusing on other things. But it is not a good look at all. And that on top of everything that’s happening with Elon Musk throwing Trump under the bus right now with the his feelings on the on the bill, the big, beautiful bill. I think it just there looks to be a lot of friction right now, not only in Maha, but in the White House in general and in the administration. It’s not a good look right now.
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All right. And before we move to Steve, can you give us an example of one of the things that’s in there that’s a mistake?
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Well, I’m not looking at the report. As I said, there are references to studies having to do with, you know, childhood obesity, with, you know, food dyes. There are many missed citations in there that reference to the study that doesn’t actually exist.
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Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. All right. Perfect. Steve, everything Dr. Kelly said, again, I can’t disagree with anything along those lines. And I don’t even want to get into some of what’s going on today between Musk and Trump. That’s a whole other conversation that I’ll probably have later. I mean, some of this is just – I’ll just say it. It’s ridiculous, guys. I mean, get over your whatever it is you’ve got going on. Move on. Let’s figure out how to work together and get things done. get things moving forward. And it doesn’t bode us well on our side of the aisle, Steve, when these things are going on. On top of that, talking about what Dr. Kelly was just mentioning.
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Sorry. Yeah, I 100% agree with what she’s saying. The question is, if you’re Robert Kennedy, right? I mean, you can’t, as the head of HHS, it’s pretty difficult to be able to review every single thing that goes out the door with your name on it, which is anything that comes out of HHS. However… um if you have the right people working for you people that you truly trusted questions would have been asked i mean you know i wouldn’t send out something that didn’t have citations that i i could trust i mean it didn’t take very long for people to find out they were bad citations that they were made up reports if that was the case and it literally took you know a few days how did it ever get out the door That’s the question. So now it’s out the door. The most important thing is it can never happen again. You know, they better be very, very particular about what they publish and what they talk about. The problem in HHS as well is it’s too big. It really should be three separate agencies, in my opinion. There should be health… There should be health care, and then there should be someone who works on innovation on a continuous basis for both health and health care. It’s hard for Bobby, I’m sure, with the massive quantity of people that work there and the issues. So too big, too complex. When that happens, things get out the door that nobody pays attention to, and it’s easy to screw it up. They just can’t let it happen again, and quite frankly, it is very, very problematic.
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I can’t, again, can’t disagree with that either. Dr. Kelly, and you’ve been there firsthand more than Steve and I have. You’ve been witness to things that he and I have not seen. And from the outside looking in, and again, I have no… I have no direct relationships with anybody, only through you guys. So I really don’t know that I can even speak to this correctly. But from my point of view and what I do here on a daily basis, and while I love this administration and I want the best and I want to see things moving forward, and I’m saying that others have been any better or worse than this one because they all have their issues, but man alive, it sure seems like coming right out of the gate, There’s a lot of problems, internal, I don’t want to say conflict, but just, how do I want to say it? It’s messy. Maybe that’s the best way for me to say it, Dr. Kelly. It just seems messy to me. How do they clean it up and move forward and look like they’re running a tighter ship?
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No, I think messy is exactly what it is, and it isn’t a good look. I think part of the problem, from my perspective, is that Bobby Kennedy, as everyone knows, was running for president on his own. He joined up with the Trump campaign and fundamentally, I think, delivered the election to Donald Trump. He brought over the necessary votes to make sure that Trump absolutely cinched the election. Oval Office. The problem is that, from my perspective, is that Bobby brought with him a lot of staff members who had been on his presidential campaign. They’re people who are fundamentally not conservatives. They’re certainly not Trump supporters. You know, his chief of staff, Stephanie Spears, people like Catherine Granito, other people who are very, very close senior advisors to Robert Kennedy Jr. are not fans of this administration. They’re fans of Bobby’s. OK, they wanted to see him in the Oval Office. So I think that there is there are some problems there. And I think there’s the potential when you have that to have some people, you know, in there who are not really looking out for the best interest of Donald Trump and his administration. Likewise, I think we’re seeing this with, you know, the Cali means who is a. an advisor to the president from HHS. I mean, these are people who have, if you go back to their social media posts, he was a never-Trumper, as was his sister, who is now the current nominee for Surgeon General. She was a never-Trumper. How that person ends up so close and inside the tent, I’m not sure. Again, independent of any interest I had in doing that job, I think it is problematic when you have people whose allegiance has not been to Trump or to the conservative party or to the conservative policies that you and I have been in for many decades.
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Right. Steve, your thoughts on all of that? And I think Kelly’s spot on. And I guess I should ask it this way. If you were there and you had the ability to have influence, what would you change? How would you go about straightening this up and not making it look like a big kindergarten show?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think you need to go ahead.
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Go, Steve.
SPEAKER 08 :
but if they obviously had to do good work but i think that they have to happen as we gotta stop making it about individual personalities right i mean these people are there to serve including donald trump um… it doesn’t need to be about donald trump doesn’t need to be about bobby kennedy or elon musk or anybody else it’s gotta be about the issue the agency and the people who are impacted by it and they need to stay focused on that this war between donald and elon is in the wrong direction they should turn around right away and say look Let’s talk about whether space is a good idea or not, not whether Elon’s getting EV credits and whatever. In the MAHA movement, it’s got to be about how do people get healthier. Bobby asked those questions a lot during his presidential campaign. We’ve got to keep asking that question and focus on that, not on individual personalities.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Kelly, you were going to add some things to that. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree with what Steve is saying. And honestly, if I were there, what I would do is I would haul everybody into a closed room and say, here’s the deal. Either you get on board. I don’t care who you were supporting before. You are in the Trump administration. That’s who you work for. You work for the Trump administration, and the American people elected Trump, and you serve the American people under Trump. Either get your act together, either you can do this or you can’t. Either you support these policies that are coming out of here, or… Find a different job. And we cannot allow this to happen. We cannot. It is so bad. The infighting. They said this whole thing with Elon Musk has done more, I think, to turn off, you know, people’s, you know, how they feel just about the entire thing. People were so excited about Doge. They were so excited about Trump. They were so excited, you know, about. And now people are just saying, oh, my gosh, you know, we don’t need this. Nobody signed up for this and nobody wants it. It’s very, very distasteful.
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Yeah, and again, I’m with you on that. I look at it. No matter whether there’s an underlying agenda here, in other words, are they doing some of this to distract from something else? Is this really what they’re really angry about? Is there something else going on that they maybe want to have happen out of this? And again, I don’t know. I don’t know what all of the the angles would be here, Steve. Personally, if I were advising them, I would be more along the lines of, Dr. Kelly, no matter what your ulterior motive is or your other agenda is, it’s just not a good look across the board for our side of the aisle, period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, I mean, frankly, you know, we don’t want a poorly written Maha report with, you know, made-up citations to research that was never done to be distracting to the Maha agenda because America’s very unhealthy. Well, then don’t add to that an accusation about an Epstein list and all this other stuff that’s going on. All that’s going to do is make the press and the American people distracted for so long, it’ll delay anything we’re trying to do.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, right. No, you’re exactly right. It just, as I said earlier, Dr. Kelly, it just becomes another hurdle. I mean, we already have enough hurdles. Let’s face it. Our side has way more hurdles than the other side has naturally. It’s just the nature of politics and where things are. And yet we seem to be… throwing extra hurdles going around the track versus just running over the ones that are already in front of us. And unfortunately, Dr. Kelly, the Democrats get to run the track without any.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. I’m hoping we can get the train back on the tracks. Bobby was well on his way to getting some good things done. He had made some headway on artificial dyes. He’s brought more attention, certainly, to autism, and we’re still waiting for him to come out with his report regarding the root causes of the autism epidemic. They started at least making some overtures that they were going to change the vaccine schedule with regard to the COVID shots. And they have done that minimally, as I said, but at least they’ve done, made some changes to the recommendations. He has vowed to stop publishing any research from the NIH in any of the medical journals, JAMA, Lancet, BMJ. And I think that that’s a very good thing because he’s acknowledged that those are corrupt journals. They’re nothing more than the marketing arm for big pharma. And Bobby has said that NIH is going to have their own journal, scientific journal, that will actually publish high-quality research. I think those are very, very important things. So if we can get beyond some of this infighting and ideally route out some of the people who are the bad actors in there who don’t have this administration’s best interests in mind, then I think we can get back on track.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. And again, I really look to you two because you have more insight into this than I or anybody else that I could ever interview would have, especially you, Dr. Kelly, with the insight that you’ve got. And I guess last question for you before we change subjects. Are they listening? So you had a meeting there a couple of weeks ago. I’m sure there’s input that’s given from you and others like you. Are they listening to folks like you or is it lip service?
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, it’s a good question. I fear that the powers, the people really pulling the levers are way above this. I don’t think they’re really listening much to people like me. I don’t think even to the people who are listed as, quote, advisors. As I said, I think nothing happens there without Susie Wiles’ approval. You know, so so she she is the all powerful one, perhaps more powerful than Donald Trump in many ways. If Susie Wiles says, you know, it is or isn’t going to happen, then that’s what happens. And I think it remains to be seen really where her allegiance is. It certainly, as I said, she came out of big pharma, and it’s been very clear that people like Bobby Kennedy and, you know, everybody underneath him at HHS has been given the message, you are not going to simply pull these mRNA shots off the market. We’re not going to let you. We are not going to let you. So despite all the big talk, Big Pharma still seems to have an awful lot of power over what’s actually happening. So it’s going to be up to Bobby to find other ways, other things that he can do to work on to make America healthy again, because I don’t think he’s going to be able to have a big impact or nearly as big an impact as he had hoped when it comes to things like the vaccines.
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, moving on to another topic. Steve, you sent this out. I actually had a couple of listeners that sent me some things on this as well yesterday and today, and there’s some news out very recently that some Chinese-born researchers, these are gentlemen 33, 34 years of age. I think they’re gentlemen. that were charged this week in connection to allegations that they had been smuggling pathogens into the country. And on top of that, they received millions of dollars in funding from the U.S. government, meaning we’re funding them bringing these pathogens. I think they were bringing them in on their shoe. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
In their boots. Yeah, that’s what I was told.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, I mean, and granted, this isn’t under this administration. These were things that were happening prior. But you mean, how does this happen in the first place?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, if you remember back, and I don’t know if this story was ever completely verified, but certainly never refuted was. There was a theory, or at least I think there was even an arrest of a couple of Chinese nationals who were caught in the Detroit airport carrying COVID with them in the early days of COVID. I don’t know exactly what happened. I remember having the discussion with many people at the time. I was running for Congress then, and we were trying to figure out how would two Chinese nationals get in the United States with COVID, and here we go with this scenario. So I think there’s just, you know, Trump said today he’s got to deal with China on trade. How do you trade with China when they keep doing this? Great question. I don’t think there’s independent action out of the part of Chinese scientists Because they know very well their families will end up dead or buried in a hole. That’s right. And they will… So the Chinese government putting agro-terrorism to cut our farming capabilities and destroy our crops and our animals, I mean, that should be a no-go, stop-dealing-with-them kind of event.
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree. Dr. Kelly, I look at all this and read through this and just think, A, this in fact is or was a bioweapon. This story began back in about a year ago, July of 24, and it was in Detroit. They came in on a tourist visa. But, Dr. Kelly, I look at this and think, okay, first of all, Not to get completely off track, but the things that we’re tracking at TSA, honestly, Dr. Kelly, they don’t hold a candle to this sort of stuff that probably isn’t even being tracked. No one has any idea this stuff is being brought in and out. And the question I’ve got, Dr. Kelly, is how many of these things have we missed?
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. You’ve got hardworking Americans throwing out six ounces of toothpaste. And then you’ve got Chinese nationals coming in with a weaponized, in this case it was a fungus, a fungus capable, by the way, of wiping out all of our crops. It could infect and wipe out the vast majority of crops being raised in the U.S. It also had the ability to cause disease in humans and in animals. And this, as Steve said, was a pathogen that was developed in part with funding from the NIH. So our taxpayer dollars were used to fund this. So the reality is the Chinese are our greatest geopolitical foe, yet we continue to do work with them, to participate in scientific labs with them, to allow them to come to this country on visas, to go to our universities, to fundamentally do their training here, and then take back what they learned back to China, and then they weaponize it against us. It’s a problem. I think people need to start recognizing that China, they are not our friends. They are not. They know Chinese people who you like. That’s one thing. But the Chinese Communist Party is out to destroy the United States. And if we keep allowing them to do this kind of stuff without any consequences, they’re going to be successful.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dr. Kelly, I have interviewed through the years individuals that have either escaped China, come from China, immigrated here from China, whatever the case may be, which that doesn’t happen very often, as you know, because China’s not real keen on having folks leave there. But regardless, I have had conversations with people. some of those individuals. And the reality, Dr. Kelly, is people that have even lived there, that have been under that thumb, that finally escape. And this is where I’m not against the people of China. It’s the leadership. It’s the Communist Party of China that’s the problem, because the folks that are living there are living under the same thumb that the Chinese would love to have everybody around the world living under, by the way, Dr. Kelly. That’s why they do the things that they do. My point is the folks that live there know exactly what we’re talking about, and they’d be on our side.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, 100%. I sponsored a young Chinese woman to come to the United States many years ago in 2005. And she came over and lived with me for a while until she got her feet on the ground. But I had met her. She was a massage therapist at a very nice hotel. But as a massage therapist living in China, this was in Beijing, she had the same status as a prostitute. And therefore was not allowed to have a bank account, was not allowed to have a credit card, was not allowed to have. She was not. She had almost zero rights. And she’s this hardworking woman. She came to the United States with a lovely woman, trained, became ended up opening up a practice school. In Cleveland, Ohio, was self-sufficient, got married, had two beautiful children, and is living the American dream. But she, as you said, she was one of those people living under the totalitarian tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party. And that is what they would like to do to all of America.
SPEAKER 17 :
yep absolutely steve everything uh we’re talking about and again i’m sure you’re like you know dr kelly and i both where you’ve either talked to someone from china known someone from china where they will verify everything we’re talking about and again i’m always careful it’s not uh those hard-working folk in china that would love by the way to come to america and live here versus where they live because they understand exactly what’s going on in fact They understand it far more than we do. And I agree with Dr. Kelly, Steve, and you brought it up. We’re trying to do all these trade negotiations, and I get it. We buy a lot of things from China. I’ll be real honest, Steve. I wish we didn’t, and it’s high time we stopped.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, I mean, we’ve been hearing from Lily Tang Williams in Colorado for years. She’s in New Hampshire now. She’s in New Hampshire now, but Lily was the one who came up through Tiananmen and the whole experience. I mean, I personally think after what happened with these guys coming into the University of Michigan that – You know, Trump should take even a harder line. I mean, you know, we don’t want to suffer economically. We don’t want the markets to go down. We don’t want trade to inhibit our availability on consumer products. But, geez, oh, Pete, we cannot allow this to continue to happen. I think we’ve got to take a bite at it, even if it’s painful for a little while. But China thinks they can get away with anything. I mean, they do this. And then Trump declares the same exact day or the day after we found out about this, The president says we have a deal with China. How is that possible, given what they’re doing?
SPEAKER 17 :
I don’t get it. No, I’m with you. This is one of those where I don’t have the same, I guess, love for that country. And frankly, Steve, I don’t have the same love for a lot of countries that people out there think we have to be importing certain things from. We literally, if we would just get after it, we have enough natural resources minus a few things. And even that’s questionable. We literally have been blessed. with this continent, the ability to literally, Steve and Dr. Kelly, to be self-sufficient. And the only thing that keeps us from doing that is our yearning to do it and, frankly, cost. I mean, that’s really what it boils down to, Steve. We have offshored so many things due to quote-unquote cost, and yet we’ve done it at the national security and sacrificed that in this country in doing so.
SPEAKER 08 :
No question about it. I mean, people should be asked these questions when they’re running for office. But on the other hand, there also should be a plan. I mean, if you’re going to put high tariffs on, and I think the president, you know, some of that was absolutely right. But what you’ve got to do is say, how long is it going to take us to manufacture our own pharmaceuticals? How long? There ought to be strategies. I mean, it’s not rocket science. I mean, people will build you product for as long as they can build you and sell you product, knowing that their business is going to stop being done in the U.S. or find another way. They will do that if you tell them, even if you tell them you’re going to try to find another way. We just need to put a strategy on the table and execute it, because if we don’t, we’ll be in the same boat in four years.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, Dr. Kelly, Steve’s exactly right. And question for you, given that you’re more on the medical side and understand the drug component and so on, I guess question for you, number one, and I don’t know if we’ve ever asked this, how many drugs actually come from overseas versus what we make here versus us moving some of those things onshore? In other words, how hard would it be to move a lot of these things onshore, and how much are we bringing in offshore in the first place?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, right now, more than 85% of all prescription drugs or their active ingredients come from China. We get about 5% to 8% from India, but 85-plus percent from China. We do almost no manufacturing here in the United States. The last manufacturing facility that was capable of making something as rudimentary as amoxicillin closed over a decade ago. Our last facility, the Baxter facility that made IV fluids, was destroyed in Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. Back in what, 2008? So we are getting almost everything from the Chinese. I have been bringing this to the attention of the administration for more than 20 years. In my mind, it’s one of our greatest national security threats. We cannot be reliant on China for prescription medications. All it would take is for China to increase the prices exponentially or contaminate the medications, God forbid, or cut off our supplies entirely. And we would be in a devastating, really devastated position because it’s going to take years to refurbish our more abundant manufacturing capabilities here. I think it’s one of the things Donald Trump has got to focus on, which is providing incentives, to rebuild manufacturing for pharmaceuticals in the United States, to stop buying them from China. In the interim, while we need to, we can start buying more from India. I trust the medications coming from India. They’re very expensive. But we’ve got to switch to shift from China. It happened over a period of years. It started with the military. They started outsourcing the contracts for medications for our troops from China because China was so much cheaper. But I’ve got to tell you, it is one thing to buy, you know, a tchotchke for your garden from China or a T-shirt on Amazon from China. It’s a different thing to talk about getting your blood pressure medication from them or antibiotics for your children. We cannot do this, and it should be a primary focus for this administration.
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree, Steve. It really should be. And I don’t know if it is. Again, I’m not there. I don’t have insight into some of those things that are going on. I would hope that it is. And I get it. I mean, it’s a pipe dream to think that we will make everything we ever need as a country inside of the walls of this country. But I think we really should have a goal. And I know at one time we did, you know, made in the USA, made in America, those sorts of things. I wish we’d get back to that. And so many things that we could talk about here, Steve, along these lines. I mean, we’ve you know, for us to even encourage talked about this the other day, not with you guys, but with some others. For us to even bring some of this manufacturing back, we would have to literally, and I’m a states’ rights, even a local rights guy, Steve and Dr. Kelly, you know that, but somehow we would have to fast track. Steve, you know as well as I and Dr. Kelly as well that here in Colorado, if you’re going to go to most of the metro area cities and even some of the outskirts and say, listen, we want to build a plant, We want to do X, Y, Z. Steve and Kelly, you know as well as I, Steve, that that whole process, before I could even stick a shovel in the ground as somebody who wanted to build that, I’m probably five years out. That is far too long to bring things back to America and start manufacturing here.
SPEAKER 08 :
It absolutely is. In fact, I did a little exercise recently, John. I mean, I have a list of things that I would want or have in the case of an EMP or some major electrical grid shutdown, etc. And you start looking at the list of things you’d want from food to medications to generators to whatever. It is shocking how little of it gets made here. So if those things that are survival in nature in a crisis… can’t be sourced out of the United States, and China and the U.S. go to war trade-wise, economically and otherwise, how do we ever survive that?
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s hard. Go ahead, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead. To your point, Steve, and this is a true story, I have a nephew having a baby next month, a first baby, and I set out to find a baby gift, and my entire criteria was not made in China. That was all I wanted. Something not made in China. Vietnam, okay. Cambodia, okay. Philippines, yeah, no problem. But, you know, Pakistan, fine. Just not China. I went store to store to store. Even U.S. companies that look and they say, and even they have an American flag on it. U.S., you know, company. But then when you read the fine print, it is made in China. I finally found a handful of things, pacifiers and a few little things that I could put together that were made somewhere. None of them in the United States, by the way. Some made in Denmark, some in Germany, some in India, Pakistan, Cambodia, but nothing that was made in the United States. Everything’s made in China. You are hard pressed. Same thing with dog toys. Same thing with clothing. It is almost impossible to find something that has not been made in China.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I agree, and I just had a question that came in that said, we love Dr. Kelly. If we made some sort of an alliance called the North-South American Alliance and made everything within that alliance and imported nothing through any containers, what would that look like? Well, and again, Steve, I’ll go to you first. That’s a great dream. I would love that as well. I do think that’s a goal that we should be working towards. Although I will tell you right now, I don’t think, Steve, we’ve got enough backbone as a country, politically speaking, or even work ethic wise to make that happen. I’m sorry to say.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s that it’s a change in philosophy, too. I mean, so here’s a good example, right? If you look at what we spent money on in USAID, you know, some of the stuff internationally was absolutely absurd and ridiculous. It was billions of dollars. If you wanted to make pharmaceuticals in the U.S., if you wanted to make more products in the U.S., quite frankly, the startup timeline and costs to get started on that is pretty substantial. So give the grants to that process because those things are pharmaceuticals like amoxicillin and basic antibiotics, immune booster stuff, some of the immunosuppressors. Those things are so critical. They’re national security as far as I’m concerned. Why are we only looking at bullets and guns and missiles and not the implications of bad water or a disease that we can’t fight without that kind of product?
SPEAKER 17 :
Dr. Kelly, go one step further along what Steve is saying. Just go to the PPE end of things. I remember during COVID, and you and I and Steve were talking about it at that time, how many products had to come out of a country like China. And if they got behind, we were behind. I mean, the reality is we literally through COVID learned how beholden, I guess you could say, we are to them in those particular areas. And it’s stupid. We shouldn’t be.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree. And I think that when you say America first, this is what I think about when Trump says America first. America first means not just. putting our interests ahead of other countries. But it means doing those things that will eliminate our reliance on all of these other people, these other countries, particularly China. I don’t care if we are getting something, if we’re buying certain things from Mexico or Canada or from the UK. We can have free and fair trade. But I do not trust the Chinese. They have shown their hands over and over and over again. You don’t find people from the U.K. sneaking weaponized pathogens into this country in their shoes. Good point. Nobody from Ireland is coming in to try to start a pandemic.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s always from China. And so I think we’ve got to acknowledge that and start actually identifying who our friends are and who our enemies are and act accordingly.
SPEAKER 17 :
Steve, do we have anybody inside of Washington right now? And I’m not trying to push this off on Trump because he’s got enough on his plate and he relies on some advisers and so on. But do we have enough people there willing to look at the things Dr. Kelly just talked about?
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, I just want to correct Kelly on pandemics. The Irish started a pandemic here on beer a long time ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, there we go. And I’m not disappointed in that one.
SPEAKER 08 :
The answer is in, you know, go follow around Gabe Evans for a day. He’s in a highly competitive district. Does Gabe Evans have time to stand up for… or author legislation that’s going to make a real difference in Maha, in finance, in the deficit. There’s lots of great ideas. A good friend of mine in Colorado, Fred Holden, has written several books on ways to get rid of the deficit, on how to improve health care. Fred can’t get the audience he needs because they’re too busy raising money to get elected. It’s too much of a complication. Elections and election process takes up more time, more energy, more money than they have themselves to fix the problems.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and therein lies part of the problem, Dr. Kelly. Absolutely what Steve just said is spot on.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree. And so and I think part of the issue, and I’ve said this on previous shows, I would love to see us put term limits and really one term in place, because that way I think our elected officials might actually get in there and focus on the job they’re supposed to do for their their constituents. rather than focusing on the next election. They’re always campaigning. They’re always working to see. And they don’t want to do anything that’s unpopular because then they, quote, won’t get reelected. You know what? If that was your only shot at it, you got into office and they could say, hey, I’ve got four years or whatever it is to do what I campaigned on. I think that would be fantastic. I really do.
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree. Wish we would see that. Steve, you’ve been on the political sides of things and even running the state of Colorado GOP-wise and so on. Great idea. I’m all for it. I don’t know that we could ever implement that, though. I really don’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I mean, people, to vote for term limits, to vote for a change in structure, the framework, if you will, where you get elected and then you have four years to do it, I mean, that requires some serious change. And there’s a lot of people, I mean, think about it, there’s libertarians and conservatives and liberals and, you know, people have a different view of term limits and those types of things. Getting it done, making a change to the Constitution will take decades or a decade, and that’s longer than we probably have before the problem is so serious it debilitates us forever.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, one minute left. Dr. Kelly, if there was something that you could go to Washington right now inside of the Maha movement and change, what would it be?
SPEAKER 06 :
Boy, I think what I would do is I think what… Steve said is really spot on. It’s too big. We need to break it down into smaller work groups to focus on individual things because I think it’s just a behemoth and nothing can get done because of the size of it. I think truly Bobby Kennedy should not be in the weeds on these things. He should be orchestrated from a distance, not getting in on each of these things. So I think I would put in place smaller work groups to focus on single items and say, stop trying to, you know, bite off more than you can chew. Just focus on a handful of things and deliver them to the American people. They’re going to need to do that to regain trust and to regain people’s faith that the Maha movement actually has the ability to be successful.
SPEAKER 17 :
I’ll leave it at that. Great words of wisdom. Dr. Kelly, thank you very much. Appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 07 :
Talk soon. All right.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’ll talk next week. Steve, again, great words of wisdom from you as well. And all we can do is keep fighting, sir.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I’d say take what Kelly said and make all the working group meetings public. Amen. And anybody who has a vested interest will listen in and have an opinion.
SPEAKER 17 :
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All right, that last hour, by the way, always enjoy Dr. Kelly and Steve House. And typically I leave that hour being very encouraged, knowing that, yep, there’s things we can do and differences we can make and so on, or learning information or what have you. Today was more of a sobering hour with those two, really learning that, you know what, we have a lot of work to do, even as a party. We are not done yet. There’s a lot of things that still need to be worked on, changes that need to be made and so on. And it’s, again, a sobering hour, but an important hour that, again, we all take to heart and then keep working on the things that we need to to move things ahead. That’s it for this hour, though. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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