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Join us as we explore the fascinating world of NFL athleticism, where specialization reigns supreme. Hosts Richard and Andy provide insights into what makes an NFL athlete unique, examining the diversity of skills and the strategic importance of various positions. They also touch on the real-world parallels of these athletic roles, offering a fresh perspective on why players’ unique talents are crucial to their teams’ success.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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And we are live today. Good afternoon, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, rest in reason. I am in for the John Rush, the John Rush, Andy. Yes, you are. I am Richard Rush’s son. This is our annual NFL draft preview show. You’re John Rush, the knockoff brand? I’m the, not even like the junior, you know, I’m like the, yeah, the knockoff, the Teemu version, Andy, right? You know, since we’re terrorists and everything else.
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And I’m not even the B team. I’m like the… X or Y team. I’m not quite sure.
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You’re like a B-plus team. Am I a B-plus? Yeah, because you fill in all the times. I’m like the C-team.
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I’m going to tell my wife that, honey. I’m a B-plus.
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Perfect. Exactly. You’re an upgrade from the B-team. She’s going to really look up to me now.
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That’s right.
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Thank you. Obviously, that’s Andy Pate with me today. Normally, we have Walt today, but Andy, he’s got something like kids or something like that. Family! I just chose to ignore my kids today.
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Family! We’re talking about the NFL draft, and this guy’s caring about family, procreation, children, raising them, and all this kind of stuff. Look, if Walt’s not going to be committed to the important things in life, what kind of an example is he providing?
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Andy, we may just have to replace him. We may just have to bring Charlie in here.
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I mean, his kids are going to be in gangs. What are they, three?
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Yeah, exactly. I mean, any day now. any day hey they’re starting to be young these days i know but uh yeah so folks we are in here for our annual nfl draft preview we we sit here and uh i guess we take a break a good three hour break from the normal politics and and kind of world news and yes normally it’s i think health and wellness wednesdays is usually what it is but this is health and wellness in my opinion uh these are some very very healthy people Very healthy people, and I think it’s very healthy for us to have this discussion and this conversation and all those sorts of things personally.
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Speaking of health and wellness, I mean, it’s really incredible. Most of us, you know, we work really hard to try to, you know, this time of year to cut that extra 10 pounds. Yeah, beach season. Eat a little better, do a little better, and so forth. And yet today we’re going to be talking about people with 6% body fat who run for 340s and can do all these amazing things who are fit in a way that we could never even begin to comprehend.
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Not even imagine, Andy. That should be inspirational for the rest of us. It should be. And folks, when we’re talking about this, it is… These guys really are specimens, right? Andy, you and I talked a little bit about Monday about the difference in athlete from the NFL to NHL to NBA to Major League Baseball. And they’re all specific, right? There’s a reason you’ve seen very rarely, which we’re going to talk about this day, of course, multi-sport athletes. We’re going to talk about some multi-position athletes today, namely one. But we’re multi-sports athletes, right? Deion Sanders was one. Bo Jackson was one. There’s been several others, right? It’s a hard thing to do because I feel like, Andy, the body types are so diverse. It’s so different among the leagues.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, when you take a look at obviously the NBA has the tall guys, right? Now they have short guys, too, but they have all the tall guys. You don’t have any 6’10 hockey players or 6’10 football players or 6’10 baseball players. Why? They can’t move fast enough. They’re not quick enough. There’s no way they can do it. The physics won’t work. Right. When you look at the NFL, though. You’ve got guys who are 180 pounds who can run four threes, and they’re 5’10”, 180 pounds, and can run like the wind. And you’ve got guys who are 350 pounds, 6’4″, 6’5″, 350, who can move mountains. On the same field. Yeah, it’s incredible. Yeah, and then you’ve got the guys who are in between, right, who are 230, 240, 250 and move in ways that we can’t believe and do different kinds of things. You know, the linebackers, the running backs, and maybe some of the tight ends and so forth. So you’ve got the tweeners, and then you’ve got the monsters, and then you’ve got the lightning fast guys. And, oh, by the way, running all this, you have to have a cerebral quarterback.
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where the brain, the mind, and the quickness of his mind is the most important thing. And we’ll hit on quarterbacks, right, Andy? That’ll be obviously definitely something that we go to. The quarterback is, I think, the single, and we’ll get to this here in a few segments, single most important position in sports. But like you said, kind of back to the athlete idea with this, It is crazy the athletes that are coming out today, right? And whether you want to argue this is the best era of sports or if previous eras, back into the 60s, 70s, 80s… Oh, every era has its greatness. They do, right? They have their own greatness and they do things… Just the sheer – it’s everything, right, Andy? It’s analytics. It’s the training. It’s the supplements that are around now, the science that is available to all of these kids, right? And even obviously full-grown adult males that are doing everything. I think I saw the other day C.D. Lamb, who’s a receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. Folks have probably seen him. He was saying that he spends basically $25,000 a week on his health and nutrition. Everywhere from massage therapists to recovery to cold tubs to whatever it might be.
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And he has to because, guess what? He is being covered, because he’s a wide receiver, he’s being covered every week by the best athletes on planet Earth.
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Yep. And then, obviously, you add in what we talk about with the draft, and folks, that’s why you tune in, is kind of the new and up-and-coming, right? Because these are the guys, the kids that have been in college for quite some time, and they’ve done a… But to your point… These guys, all the NFL guys, NFL guys, they have to be in the most pristine shape, most pristine position of their entire lives. And again, folks, they’ve essentially for the last, what, Andy, basically four months for all these guys have been training. And obviously for a lot of them it’s been almost their entire lives. But really the last four months they’ve honed in. They’ve been training. They’ve gone to these training facilities. They’ve really been doing a whole lot over the past, again, four months to get ready for this very moment.
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yeah i mean also the nfl is so into specialization i like that because that is that really reflects the real world let me tell you what i mean yeah a plumber okay you got somebody who’s been a plumber for the last 20 years and this person thinks oh i’m just a plumber uh no you’re somebody who has an incredible specialty you can apply that in a zillion different places right this kind of sink that kind of pipe this kind of whatever right and they can apply that okay They have that brilliance. Oh, but they don’t, you know, build cars. They’re not Elon Musk. They’re not, you know, a speaker. They’re not this or not that. They have their specialty. Well, that’s what the NFL is. You get in, you know, going into the NBA, and we were talking about this the other day, every player going into the NBA, even if you’re mainly a big shot blocker, you’ve got to be able to shoot some. OK, every player’s got to be able to pass some. Every player’s got to be able to shoot some. Every player’s got to be able to run some, even if they’re mainly going to camp out under the rim. In the NFL, forget that. OK, only one guy throws it. OK, and only a couple, two or three different positions catch it. OK, and you got positions where your foot speed means very little. Then you got positions, most of them, about 70, 80 percent of them that where it means a great deal. And it’s just the specialization is so much like real life, because in real life, you don’t have people who do everything in an entire company all at once. They go in.
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You’ve got HR, marketing. IT.
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Exactly.
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Sales, yep.
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Right, and that’s what you’ve got on a football team. You’ve got wide receiver. You’ve got cornerback. You’ve got offensive tackle. Not just offensive line, but tackle, guard, center, right tackle, left tackle. And it’s just incredible watching the diversity of skills and talents and how they’re meshed together. What we’re going to be talking about today is not just all these incredible players who are coming in, but which team is going to pick who and why and how they’ll mesh into that team because it all depends also on a team’s needs.
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Well, teams need, Andy, so much. I mean, if you need an IT guy, you don’t hire marketing. Yeah, absolutely. And I think so much with the NFL, too, is, well, you know, kind of back to that business example, right? You know, a marketing person may be really good at an existing company, right?
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Yeah.
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maybe another marketing person who’s really good at a brand new company from the bottom up. Now, ideally, you’d want someone who’s well-rounded, who can do a little bit of both. But it’s just like anything in life, right? If that happens, there’s trade-offs in either one of those categories. Exactly. Same thing for the NFL draft, right? And with a lot of these guys, they are… They’re great athletes. Even the big offensive linemen, Andy. Like you said, some of these defensive linemen nowadays are… Well, the way they can move is unbelievable. They’re 325 pounds. They’re running a sub-5 second 40. And for folks, if you want to put it in comparison, the average human would be doing… I’m not talking a track athlete or whatever, but the average adult male… 320-pound human. …would be able to run like a 7.5 second or probably even closer to a 9-second 40. Oh, I think the average human over 300 pounds…
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is lucky to do the 40 in 9 to 10 seconds.
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It is insanely fast.
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These guys are doing it in 5 seconds. They are. It’s unbelievable, moving that much mass at that speed. Oh, my gosh.
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That’s why, Andy, when they say you NFL guys are in a car wreck every single weekend, that’s partially why. Which leads me to, after we come back from break here in a second, we are going to talk about our top 10 prospects. Yeah. This is the first year we’re doing this, folks. So we’re going to go over and we’re going to kind of tell you some of these guys are going to be some of the most freakish guys out there. Some of them may just be really, really talented in their specific areas. So stay tuned. Again, Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
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And we are back on Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Richard Rush and Andy Pate in for the well-deserved vacationing John Rush, right? You know, kind of kicking his feet up for a few shows here.
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He needs that. There’s not another harder-working guy in radio.
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You know, I tell folks, and some of you guys don’t believe it, he does work six days a week. On the seventh day, he somewhat rests, but not really, so he enjoys this. And then he’s so gracious to give us his chauffeur. you know, three hours to just sit here and talk about the NFL draft. Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it.
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And by the way, here in a moment, we’re going to be talking about our top 10 players. And the reason this is really important, folks, is this. I know a lot of people listening maybe are not geeks and nerds on the NFL draft like we are. That’s great. You’re not supposed to be. That’s wonderful. Just be a fan. Enjoy your team. Love your Broncos. But… These 10 players, I’m very confident, are going to be all of them. They’re not going to be players who you pick and hope by year two or three they come around. These are all going to be stars. These are going to be people. These are going to be almost all. I mean, there will be a couple who bust, obviously. There always are. But outside of the busts, These are all going to be names that you’re going to be talking about for the next decade.
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Well, and let’s set that up. So, folks, we haven’t done this before, so this is the first year we’re going to do it. Andy and I are going to go through our top ten players, regardless of position. And let’s be honest, Andy.
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Best of the best.
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Position does matter. There’s a reason quarterbacks go one. And this is going to be a prime example this year, which we’ll talk about kind of after we get through it. A quarterback is likely going to go first overall. But he’s not the best player. And, in fact, he’s probably way down the list. And so what we want you guys and you listeners to kind of understand is the names that we are saying are, again, the best players, so it kind of speaks for itself. But these are guys where you’re going to hear their names this next season when you watch the NFL and you watch them on Sundays. and they are going to be making an instant impact, Andy, right? Oh, yeah.
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And by the way, now that you mention quarterback, because I agree, he’s not near the top in the 10. Okay, he’s in the 10, but I don’t have him near the top. The top quarterback who’s going to go, in my opinion, won’t be the best quarterback this year. Fair enough. Okay, I believe. And so when I said that you were talking about guys who are going to be instant stars, the one exception to that is often quarterback. They got to come in and they got to earn their stripes. Yeah, here in Denver, you guys had one who came in the second half of last year, you know, turned it on. But Bo Nix is pretty rare. And Bo Nix was also an older quarterback. quarterback who had seen more playing time in college. He was more ready to go. Most of these guys, I believe the guy who’s going to go number one is going to take a year to really take his lumps.
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And I’ll hold you there because we’re going to kind of get that. So without further ado, Andy, I’m going to give you the honors. So Andy, I would like your, and you can give a little bit of a brief description. Actually, let’s just do this.
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I’ll be very brief.
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Why don’t you give me your list and then we’ll talk about them. OK, that work.
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Number one and one and two are basically one and one. OK, they’re basically equal, in my opinion. It just depends on what you want. Travis Hunter from Colorado, wide receiver slash cornerback to Abdul Carter edge from Penn State. And then the next two are 3A and 3B. Okay, they’re so close to each other. Ashton Gentry, running back from Boise State. Mason Graham, defensive tackle from Michigan. I have number four. What a game wrecker. We’ll talk about him in a moment. Number five, I have Tyler Warren, tight end from Penn State. He can do everything. We’ll talk about him. Number six, it really got tough here, but I put Tedaroa McMillan. Wide receiver out of Arizona. I know he’s not that fast. Don’t worry about it. You can’t stop him. Number seven, Malachi Starks. Safety out of Georgia. And no, he won’t go anywhere near this high in the draft. Number eight, Jalen Walker. Linebacker out of Georgia. Number nine, finally the quarterback, Cam Ward. Quarterback out of Miami. Once again, I don’t think he’ll be the best in year one. That’ll be Shadur. But I do believe he’s the best prospect going forward. Overall, because you’re taking him to a team that sucks. You’ve got time to develop him. You don’t need someone who’s great right now. And number 10, I’ve got Will Campbell, offensive tackle out of LSU. And three quick honorable mentions. Armand Membo, the monstrous offensive tackle out of Missouri. Kenneth Grant, the even more monstrous defensive tackle out of Michigan. And Colston Loveland, tight end out of Michigan. Little honorable mention for those guys. All right, that’s my list. What do you think?
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I like it. In fact, three of the top five we are going to agree on. Great. Which is phenomenal. Before I give you mine, I want you to pick the two, not the two best, because obviously you gave that when Travis Hunter and Carter. Yeah. Which of these two is going to make the biggest impact in year one? Abdul Carter. Why?
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Because he’s a pass rusher. That’s why. And it’s just a more important position. Travis Hunter is going to do a lot of things and do them incredibly well. But Abdul Carter, an edge player, is going to come in and wreak havoc. Both teams that he might go to, which will probably be the second or third teams in the draft. I think he’ll go third. I know I’m getting ahead of myself. But they both have… An excellent pass rusher on the other side, so he won’t be double, triple teamed constantly in blocking. I think he’s going to go nuts. I think he could be the next Lawrence Taylor. This guy is a phenomenon. And, by the way, so is Travis Hunter. But if you’re talking instant impact, the most impact right now, Abdul Carter for me.
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Wow. Okay. Second. Is there anyone close second? Yeah.
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Yeah, Ashton Gentry or Travis Hunter. Either one. And Mason Graham. The top four players, Hunter, Carter, Gentry, Graham, they are all so great. It’s just going to be wonderful seeing where any of these four go, and I think it’s going to be really a mistake for teams who don’t take them high.
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I agree. Okay, so I’m going to give you my list here really quick, and then we’ll talk about them. Let’s hear it. Number one for me, again, we actually are first on the first three, but I’m going to give you a caveat on my third. Travis Hunter’s number one. Again, we’re going to talk about him actually a little bit more in the next segment, Andy. Sure. Abdul Carter, again from Penn State. The number 11. Another number 11 from Penn State. And then Ashton Gentry. And I’m going to put a caveat on this because you and me and Walt was about, what, seven years ago, six, seven years ago when Saquon Barkley was coming out. We had a conversation about taking running backs high. We’re going to have another conversation about taking running backs high in this draft.
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Okay, now, before you run on here, because while it’s fresh. Yes, yes. Who was the best player in football last year? It was Saquon Barkley. Oh, and in the NFL. In my opinion, he should have won. Look, they always give MVP to a quarterback, but I don’t agree with that. I thought there were years when Von Miller should have been MVP. So I think the best player in the league last year was Saquon Barkley. The problem wasn’t taking him high. The problem was not building an offensive line before he got there. And that is a problem of the New York Giants, not Saquon Barkley. He was as great as you saw last year. He finally went to a team. By the way, in general, I don’t like taking running backs that high either. They have a short shelf life. They get beat up, and there are so many of them. And that’s my only thing.
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And we’ll talk about it again. I agree. Disagreements are great for the show, right? Keep going. I’m just going to put an asterisk there. Number four is very similar to you, although close. Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State. Um, my number five is, is where it changes a little bit. I actually have Walter Nolan, the defensive lineman out of Ole Miss. Okay. He’s, I think he’s a freak.
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I love him.
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He’s just, he’s insane. I think he’s, he sort of fits into the strength of this draft, which again, we’re going to kind of get into. I then have Mason Graham, although I think he may fall. Andy, we’ll talk about that ahead of Graham.
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Yes.
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Okay. Then I have Jalen Walker. And then I’ve got a semi-surprise here. I’ve got Colston Loveland, which we were talking about before the show. And that is a tight end out of Michigan, folks, who a lot of people have potentially picked for the Broncos. And I just think that his overall— He’ll be gone. I agree with you. And that’s why, again, I think I’m putting him as my No. 8 player, if healthy. And real quick, folks, I’m going to put a caveat on all this to say— We don’t know all the medicals, Andy, right? The NFL teams do. And so we’re just going off of what we’ve seen in college, some of the nerding out and studying that we have done as just amateur fans. We don’t have all the access the NFL teams do. But from pure tape and eyeballs, these are our lists. Number nine for me is Will Campbell, which is close to you. Number ten may surprise you, and it’s Michael Williams, the edge out of Georgia. And I just think that he’s so… freakishly athletic. Oh, I keep thinking Mikel Williams. I’m sorry, it threw me off. Yeah, Mikel, I think, and it probably is, right?
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You can say it either way.
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Mikel, Michael, I’m not sure, but he’s 6’5″, 260. The dude is just an absolute menace on the football field. He also played basically on one foot last year because of his ankle. Yeah, one foot, and he was still just a game wrecker. And so I think that, and so I’ll kind of give you my two top impact guys of here, Andy.
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All right, let’s hear it.
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For me, it’s Travis Hunter. And yes, I’m biased because I’m CU and I saw him this last year. I just think what that guy is going to do, and again, we’re going to probably even talk, we’ll talk about him next segment, what he’s going to be able to do either offensively or defensively, which some of both, I think is going to be insane. And I think closely behind him, is going to be Abdul Carter. He’s going to be Micah Parsons from several years ago. And again, folks, Micah Parsons, linebacker, was drafted as a linebacker, like a middle linebacker out of Penn State. And credit to Dallas, Andy, they put him as an edge. And he is a game wrecker, and he’s likely going to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the league. Right. Coming up here before too long. And he should be. Good for him. He is super talented. So with that being said, Andy, when we come back, Let’s talk. We’ll talk these 10s. We’re going to talk these 10s. And yeah, I want to get into Travis Hunter a little bit. So again, you’ve got Richard Rush, Andy Pate, NFL Draft Preview Show, Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We got Richard Rush together with me, Andy Payton. We’re talking about the top 10 players in the NFL draft. And I guarantee you this, with both of our top 10s, there’s mostly overlap, not entirely, but we’re talking about basically about 15 players who are going to be lights out.
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yeah well they’re gonna be scary for sure real quick and i do have to speaking of top 10 i have to give a shout out to to my uh top five at home which is my wife lauren thank you for holding down the fort for the kids and then to joshua samuel emma and caleb hello kids and samuel congratulations on losing your first tooth the tooth fairy should be stopping by i would assume tonight so you got to put that under your pillow and or put it in the special pouch we have. So yeah, first lost tooth, Andy. That’s very important. But no, you are 100% correct, Andy. And I think a lot of the NFL, there’s some differences, right? When we were talking about this over the break, I think there’s a certain consensus on some of the athletes in the draft. Yeah. But there’s also sort of a consensus, or not a consensus, the exact opposite, when it comes to positions, right? And we kind of talked about this in the previous segment. When it comes to certain positions, you value… Well, basically, they kind of get a jump, right? Let’s be honest. A quarterback… and I think this is going to happen in this draft, who’s a B-plus player is probably going to go above a safety that’s an A player. Or even an A-plus.
SPEAKER 06 :
An A-plus safety is going to go probably several picks after a B-plus quarterback. Yeah. But, I mean, this is why when we were talking. Why is that, Andy? Let’s tell folks. The importance of the position. Because the quarterback is so important. And, by the way, safety may be the least important starting position out of 22. And that’s hard to say because safeties are very important. They all are. All 22 are. Your left guard is very important. If you don’t have that, your quarterback gets killed. And, you know, I looked. Once again, going back to the Super Bowl. Why did I say this would not even be a game and that Casey should not even show up? They shouldn’t even play the game. This is going to be a crucifixion. This is going to be a destruction. Well, why? Because of pass rushers like Abdul Carter, and Philly has a lot of them. And I was just like, look, they’ve got too many guys that they can come at your quarterback. I don’t care how good your quarterback is. He’s going to be on his back. And it just doesn’t make any difference. And this is why I look, because to me, all around best football player in this draft is Travis Hunter. Yep. Okay. I won’t say hands down because Abdul is tremendous. Yes, he is. And so is Jenty. But I look at Abdul. What he does is what Philly did.
SPEAKER 14 :
He gets after the passer. He plays the run very well. He’s a very complete player. He’s the closest thing to… I wouldn’t even say Micah Parsons because I think Vaughn’s better. He’s the closest thing to Vaughn Miller coming out of Texas A&M that we’ve had Since then, Austin. I mean, granted, you’ve had Miles Garrett.
SPEAKER 06 :
He reminds me of Von Miller and Lawrence Taylor, the way he moves.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and granted, you’ve had Miles Garrett. But, again, Miles Garrett’s hand in the dirt, that type of a guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Abdul Carter reminds me more of Von and Lawrence Taylor, right? Stand-up guys who just have an incredible get-off, incredible hands. And you know what? And they’re cheetahs.
SPEAKER 06 :
And what I mean is this. The second they break – okay, so they’re a pass rusher. They’re out on the edge. The second they break around that corner, they go horizontal. And it’s an amazing thing to watch as they jet. And you’re talking about a 250-pound man jetting close to the ground, flying right through a quarterback. It’s an amazing thing to watch. And there are very, very, very few guys who can do that. And I’m telling you what, it was always fun watching Vaughn do it. It was fun watching LT do it. It was fun watching Derek Thomas do it for Casey. I know it wasn’t fun for you, but he was great. Yep, yep. And I’m telling you what, this is special. When you’ve got somebody who can do that, usually the guys who can do that, the very, very few, suck against the run. Nope. Not this guy. He wrecks the run, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy, it’ll really be interesting because I think you and I probably haven’t gone to the same spot. We’ll just say I think he’s going to go to the Giants at No.
SPEAKER 1 :
3.
SPEAKER 14 :
They want Lawrence Taylor again. Well, they want another Lawrence Taylor. It’s interesting, though, because that regime, Andy, needs a quarterback. They kind of have a lifeline this year. And we’ll talk about that maybe in the back half of the first round of maybe coming up and doing something that way as far as the Giants. But that regime, they need to pick a quarterback. But we are complimenting them. Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because we’re saying, but they’re not going to reach like Tennessee is.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re taking a freak of a player. I’m not going to go generational because I feel like that term is thrown out there so often to say, oh, this guy’s a generation. Let’s be honest. He’s a freak.
SPEAKER 06 :
Leave it at that. Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s only so many generational talents. I will say this, in this draft of the two people would be Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. And we’ll get to Travis here in a second. I’m with you, Andy. I think Abdul Carter, he’s just a really complete player. And yeah, credit to the Giants because that’s where I think they’re going to go. You do want a quarterback, but I think they also look at this year’s quarterback class, which we’ll talk about kind of in the final segment leading into our mock draft, and you see some gaps and some holes there, right, Andy?
SPEAKER 06 :
They’ll take one in round two or they’ll trade up into round one, get one some other way, but don’t waste that pick on that.
SPEAKER 14 :
There shouldn’t be, unless you’re the Browns, there should not be many times that you draft in the top five.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, and here’s another thing. There are people who listen to these draft shows like we do. And by the way, every year we come fairly close on where the players go. Have you noticed this? We’re pretty well. We’re decently good. I mean, there are always surprises, always. But people are like, well, if you knew this much, you’d be an NFL GM. Let me tell you something, folks. NFL GMs wreck teams quite a bit. Look at what Cleveland did. Yeah. They traded away their future for a banged-up quarterback who couldn’t stay out of prison. Okay, look. He didn’t go to prison. Well, he should have been. Correct. All right. But you know what I mean. A guy with, let’s just say, severe legal problems. Correct. That was professional guys making millions of dollars to make that decision, and they ruined their team. Green Bay, at one point in their history, took Tony Mandarich. in the draft at number two the next three picks were barry sanders deon sanders derek thomas it destroyed our team for a decade yeah one pick so these picks are very important let’s really quick get to though we the guy we agree on the best player travis hunter yes travis hunter i have Not in my lifetime. The closest I’ve seen in my lifetime to someone like this was Deion Sanders. Deion, by the way, could have been a terrific wide receiver if he’d wanted to. He could have done both easily. And he did do some wide receiver plays. Travis Hunter is not the best athlete in this draft, okay? He’s one of the very best. But there are a few who are even better pure athletes, if you just want to talk about that. He’s the best football player in this draft because he’s a great athlete who plays football. And he knows it. He’s got a great mind. This guy, when he runs a route as a receiver, runs it as an elite receiver, not just as an athlete running as a receiver. When he covers as a cornerback, he breaks on that ball as quick as any cornerback in this draft. He’s amazing. He is a thrill a minute. And any team that gets him, and I do believe it will be the second team, I would start him at corner and play him somewhat wide out. We talked about that just because of the chemistry issues. But I think Cleveland would do the opposite. I think they’re going to start him at wide receiver, and I think he’ll be a star.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I agree with you. And honestly, we agree a lot there. I do think Cleveland’s going to put him at wide receiver. But I’m with you. What a player. We talked about this on Monday. I think for a guy – and obviously we don’t have this conversation every year. We’ve been doing this for a number of years now. Not like him, no. We haven’t been able to say this. I mean, he legitimately could be introduced by Roger Goodell tomorrow night to say – and I know he wants him to be a wide receiver and cornerback. And it really is. It’s true. He can play well. Now – To the extent that he played in college, I just don’t think it’s possible. The NFL is just such a crazy game. I mean, folks, he was playing over 100 snaps in college. And so we’ll give people some background here, right? The average snaps on offense and defense in an NFL game is about 60 to 70, right? You should be getting 60 offensive plays and obviously 60 defense. So that would be 120 plays. And again, we’re talking about car crashes happening. That could happen. And so for me, Andy… To me, I’m with you. He should play 100% of those plays, so he should play 60 plays on defense. And I’m with you. I think that 15 number is good. 10 to 15. Because when we talk about running backs, for example, we talk about getting them touches. Not necessarily, especially complete running backs, right? You know, like Saquon. Saquon Barkley, you don’t necessarily have to run him 25 times. You want to get him 25 touches, right? And so 15 of those or 18 of those can be rushes. Seven of those can be pass attempts, right? You get him out of the backfield, screen, whatever it might be. I feel like the same thing with Travis. He plays on defense. He’s a stud, especially in Cleveland. They can put him next to Denzel Ward. I mean, man, talk about a one-two cornerback combo. But then you sprinkle him in on offense. You’re getting, sorry, you’re getting not quite two players, but you’re getting one and a half players for the price of one. And so to me, he can be that guy where you put him in for a red zone package. Or you put him in, maybe even as a decoy, Andy, right? You bring him into the game and you do a sweep. And again, I saw it at CUG.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, any passing down where you add a receiver. I mean, he’s your third or fourth guy, even though he’s your best.
SPEAKER 14 :
Third and eight, you bring him in. And like I said, the ball skills that he has, the vision that he has, just the finding of an open guy You’re not open space on the field, Andy. It’s just second to none. Right. I mean, he’s a natural.
SPEAKER 06 :
This guy’s a natural. And the beauty of it is this. This is why you don’t want to play him full time both ways. Why? Look, he did that in college, but he was doing that against future accountants. Yeah. Okay. He was not doing that against the best of the best in the world. And that’s going to tire you out too quickly.
SPEAKER 14 :
When you’re going against Patrick Sertan. Well, I guess even in the NFC North, right, you’re going against Marlon Humphrey. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I guess I’d have to go down the list of – Or if you’re covering – Yeah, if you’re covering Jefferson from the Vikings. Or you’re covering Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, or Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or T. Higgins or whatever. It’s a lot more energy exerted. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just think – but regardless, Andy, the Brown – By the way, though, really quick here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. having him cover Jamar Chase, would that be worth the price of admission right there? That would be fun. Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because both of them, feat-wise, just agility, mobility, Andy. And intelligence. Oh, yeah. And we’re going to talk about that, folks. So we’ll save a little bit there. Andy, when we come back, we’re going to go over two things pretty quickly. Okay. We’re going to talk about the quarterbacks, some of the holes that we see. And then I want to give folks a preview of the mock draft kind of coming up in hour two, which is the areas of strength of this draft for people to focus on. So quarterbacks, areas of strength. So again, you have Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back on Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Rush to Reason, in for the vacationing John Rush. It is Richard Rush and Andy Pate, and great song choice, Charlie. Andy, I always love when we get to this, because I’ll just throw my dad under the bus. He’s got his rhythm for the show, and he’s got his music, and he’s got his intros. Folks, I just want you to know, this is us letting Charlie have some fun. Yes. He always has fun. Mostly, right, Charlie? He’s shaking his head. Actually, he’s shaking his head no, that he doesn’t have fun. Today, Charlie is wearing spandex and a headband. That’s right, folks, if you could only see. But yes, Andy, we are in for our annual NFL draft show where we kind of talk and give folks a little bit of a preview of the 2025 NFL draft, which is coming up tomorrow night. And maybe at the end of the show, Andy, we’ll see if we have any time. We may get to, we’ve got NFL playoffs or NHL playoffs going on, NBA playoffs, all sorts of fun stuff. We’ll see.
SPEAKER 01 :
We have time.
SPEAKER 14 :
But with saying that, Andy, right before we kind of head into, obviously we’re kind of getting to the top of the hour here, and before we get into our mock draft, which is going to happen next segment, I asked you before, we’ve got two topics we need to discuss. Okay. The quarterbacks. Right. Tell me, let’s just be honest. The quarterbacks in this year’s draft are not as good. As last year. As many years. Right. It’s a pretty weak class. Why? Short minute, 30 seconds a minute, why? Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, bottom line is simply they aren’t as good. He’s not as talented. You have one freak athlete, and he is not nearly developed enough, and that’s Jalen Milrow. But he’s not nearly developed enough. I’m sorry he’s not ready. You’ve got Jackson Dart, who is probably going to go in the first round and should not, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he’s probably a second-round guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
You got Shadur, who is a total surgeon, but let’s face it, he is not one of these overwhelming athletes, and you wonder what’s his ceiling. You know, he’s going to be the best one in year one, but… And I think he’s got a very nice future in the NFL. I think there’s a poor man’s Drew Brees there. Okay, but… Not overwhelming. And then, of course, you’ve got the top player in the draft. It’s going to be Cam Ward. Cam Ward should not be the top player in a draft. I like the guy a lot. He’s got a very nice upside. Heck of a player. Huge heart. Very talented. But this is not, even he is only a shade over 6’1″. This is not one of these 6’5″, Peyton Manning, ready to take the entire NFL by storm kind of guys. They don’t have a Trevor Lawrence.
SPEAKER 14 :
They don’t have these guaranteed stars. Yeah, well, last year, right? We had Caleb Williams go one, Jaden Daniels go two, Drake May go three. Yeah. And then you had, I think it was J.J. Or you had Michael Penix, then J.J. McCarthy, and then obviously Bo Nix. Right. Right? And so you had six quarterbacks go. You could argue, Andy, that this year— Every one of those players is going to be starting this year. You could argue that they should have— Two of the quarterbacks in this draft may be going first round. And honestly, Andy, if you were to take all the quarterbacks from this year and put them last year, none of them are above the quarterbacks last year. Maybe you could argue maybe above old Bo with the Broncos, but he turned it on kind of in the second half of the year and really kind of came to be a player to where the Broncos, which we’ll get into.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it depends on what you like. Like Michael Penix was more of a gamble for the future. OK, Atlanta feels OK, this guy has more natural talent. They knew he would need more development than, say, a Bo Nix. Bo Nix is much more of a Shadur ready to go right now, although I think Bo Nix is a little more athletic than Shadur. And, you know, I just think. Yeah, if you had these two quarterbacks in last year’s draft, first of all, I think Cam Ward would probably go somewhere in the first round. Late first. Late first and Shador in the second.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I’ll say this, and then we’ll get to the strengths of the draft, Andy, because we’re kind of talking about quarterbacks’ weaknesses. Yeah. I’m with you. I’m not a huge believer in Cam Ward. It’s just the age worries me, similar for Shador, because they’re kind of older players. Yeah. And I always question older players coming out of college because you’re a man amongst boys. Now, granted, that maybe plays a little bit more on the offensive line or linebackers or things like that. But even as quarterback, right? Because you’ve seen things. You know, KM Ward’s been playing quarterback, I think, for six years in college just through his different stops. And so for me, Andy… That’s the biggest concern that I have is how does that translate? I just don’t see an insane athlete or insanely fast processor or really great arm strength with any of these guys. They all have their flaws. And I was telling you in break, Shador, having watched him for the past few years, Great, tough as nails surgeon. I think he’s a high-character guy. But as I told you, I think he has a cornerback’s attitude versus a quarterback’s attitude. And, yes, I’ll say it. Okay, what do you mean by that? What I mean by that is cornerbacks have to be cocky. Yes, they have to be cocky me guys, right? They have to be the guy that gets beat but then comes back the very next play and is ready to intercept a pass and take it back to the house.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’ve got to be me first, not team first. Me first with a very short memory.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they’re on an island. Correct. And quarterbacks have to have a short memory in that they can’t be afraid to take a chance. But then they have to also have a long memory to remember, oh, I don’t make that same mistake twice. Again, right? And I’m not saying that Shador is non-intelligent because I think he is. I think he’s actually probably the smartest quarterback in the draft this year. I just think that there’s going to… I’ll just say it this way. There’s some ceilings with these quarterbacks and some limitations on them that may impact them and their teams down the road. Now, okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Real quick, you know what worries me with Shador? He takes too many sacks. He does? And if you’re going to do that in college, what’s going to happen to the pros when Abdul Carter comes screaming off the edge? And there are a lot of – there are Bosas and Carters and things like that. I mean – It’s a scary world out there. Everything is happening so fast.
SPEAKER 14 :
There was just as many sacks with Shador as a result of the offensive line being poor. This is true.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can admit it. That was the biggest cause.
SPEAKER 14 :
But let’s say I think he was sacked 90 times over the past two years. If that is the case, half of those were because of that, but he still took 45 to 50 sacks because he was trying to make a play when he should have just thrown the ball away, trying to force it into completion, or in some cases didn’t want to throw the ball away because he wanted a higher completion percentage.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m asking. I really don’t know. You know the player. Could some of it be that he doesn’t read as fast? And what I mean is if it takes you a half second longer to read, you’re going to take more sacks. In college, college versus pro, it’s like watching two people play chess versus watching two people play speed chess, where they’ve got to make the move, hit the clock, and move.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think somewhat, and I think some of the defenses he saw was a little bit vanilla, but I think that’s the case for a lot of… A lot of quarterbacks in college because I think that defenses in college rely so much on athleticism that they play a lot of vanilla defensive schemes and do some things that way. But I do think he’s a fast processor. I think he’s got a pretty high floor, but I also think he has a low ceiling. He actually reminds me of Bo Nix, although granted Bo Nix is a better athlete. So with that said, Andy, we’ve got two minutes. Okay. The strengths of the draft, so whether that’s areas of depth, the best players, where do you think that the top two or three strengths of the draft are?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, this draft is really strong at defensive tackle. And at edge. So defensive lineman, man, if you want people on the defensive line, either inside or outside, got you covered. We got a zillion of them, and they’re killers. Okay. Wide receivers are, I think, actually fairly average in this draft. I think this draft is very deep at running back.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
However, I also think that the two at the top are way above the rest.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was going to say, let’s not get confused with… with depth being a good thing, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can get really good players in the later rounds, but they’re still the cream of the crop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And I think another area is tight end is unusually good at the top.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what I’ll say, I’ll kind of piggyback. That was actually who I had written down. I had tight end, running back, and D-line. To me, tight end is deep. I think you can get a guy in the third round – I’ll say it for my Broncos, if we don’t take a tight end in the first, I think we can get a guy in the third round that can start and that can help you every single week in and week out. He can be an advantageous player for Bo Nix. Same with defensive line. I think some of these, you can get guys third and fourth round, Andy, that could potentially start for you. in some cases, depending on how the rest of the board falls and what teams.
SPEAKER 06 :
But it’s not just deep. At the top, you also have the top-end freaks. Yes. I mean, the first round for these players is going to be incredible. The number of defensive tackle and edge players who go in the first round, I don’t think we’ve seen this many.
SPEAKER 14 :
You may have a third of the first round almost be on the defensive line edge type of a player.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would say, and we’ll close with this, this draft serves as a warning shot to quarterbacks across the league. Look what’s coming.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re getting some pretty good, or not pretty good, some great athletes on the defensive, close to the line of scrimmage. Because again, I’ll say, I think defensive backs, Andy Grant, I think there’s actually some depth and safety, but we talked about kind of the, not the unimportance of safety, but just it’s a less important position. There’s some very good corners, too. There are. There’s some good corners, but… But once you get, again, step down from Travis Hunter, maybe Will Johnson, Jedi Baron out of Texas, I think you lose some of that. So I think it will be a very, very interesting. So with that said, folks, we’re going to come back and we’re going to do our normal mock draft where Andy and I alternate picks. We get to have some fun. We get to act like we’re the general managers of these NFL teams because that is our dream job, Andy. Oh, yes. You have Richard Rush, Andy Pate in for Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Rush to Reason. We’ve got Hour 2 coming up on KLZ 560.
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