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In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush is joined by financial expert Jordan Goodman to dissect the rapidly changing global landscape. As the year comes to a close, Jordan reflects on a year full of unprecedented changes in the financial markets, with Bitcoin hitting new highs and the Dow pushing boundaries. He offers deep insights into how these shifts impact everyday life, and what we might expect looking ahead. The conversation turns to the sudden fall of Syria and the resulting geopolitical instability in the Middle East. John and Jordan explore the repercussions of this upheaval,
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And it is Tuesday, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. How’s Andy today? Andy’s doing well, sir. Good to hear from you. Glad you’re here, Andy, as always. Jordan Goodman joining us now as well. America’s Money Answer Man. Jordan, how are you today?
SPEAKER 14 :
Great to be with you both. The world keeps changing dramatically. Every month that we meet, it’s a completely new world.
SPEAKER 04 :
It does change. And for Jordan, this is our last show of 2024.
SPEAKER 14 :
What a year it has been. Think of where we started and where we are now.
SPEAKER 04 :
It has been a whirlwind, no doubt. And the other thing, Jordan, I know is as I get older anyways, the year goes by faster.
SPEAKER 14 :
It seems to be. I mean, just even in the last week, the collapse of Syria in a week was quite… Astounding, for example. Nobody was predicting that.
SPEAKER 13 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just things out of the blue. Bitcoin going from, it began the year, and I think it was about $40,000.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, $40,000, $45,000-ish or so, I want to say, somewhere in the neighborhood.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now it’s about $100,000. I mean, these are just amazing things. The S&P, the Dow is over $45,000. The S&P is over $6,000. I mean, this has been a spectacular year. you’re the financial markets uh… in many many ways despite all the problems of public controversy in the world Global headaches. The markets keep doing very, very well here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, Jordan, I know I’m going a little out of order here on the topics, but you just mentioned the fall of Syria. What do you think that’s going to do with the markets worldwide? What do you think it’s going to do with the Middle East? I mean, obviously, we have great uncertainty. You never know. There’s the devil you know and the devil you don’t know. We have no idea what kind of monster will take over for the monster.
SPEAKER 04 :
For the monster that just left?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So what are we looking at? Do you have any predictions? Do you have any feel, at least maybe for the economic end?
SPEAKER 14 :
well i’ll use one word for you chaos okay there’s a lot of different groups involved in syria there’s the druze there’s the turkish there’s the kurds there’s remnants of uh… isis and uh… it’s just all kind of it’s a mess that there is no it’s a vacuum it’s a vacuum that’s been interesting right after asad fell over the weekend israel moved right in and took a huge amount of land on the Israeli border to create a buffer so that there could never be an attack like an October 7th attack.
SPEAKER 04 :
Smart move, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was. It was. They took Mount Hermon, the whole area. And then the next thing they did was they bombed the Syrian Navy, which was in the port, and wiped that out in a day. Then they started bombing all of the government buildings, defense buildings.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t just, like, move in is what they really should do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they don’t want to take it over. Nobody wants to take it over. I’m going to say that in jest, but not a bad idea.
SPEAKER 05 :
Remember the Occupy people who took over several blocks of Seattle? Yeah, they just move in and call it good. Just do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we did that with Iraq, and that didn’t work out so well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but we’re not the Israelis, Jordan. But I’m joking. We’re not as smart as they are.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then they bombed all these defense and basically wiped out what was left of Syria’s army, which had been quite powerful, actually. They don’t want any threats there. So they took care of that. In fact, we did the same thing. The U.S. went bombing with B-52 bombers and all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, does that cripple the capacity to cause a lot of problems for the new Syrian government?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that’s the idea. Tripling them because you don’t know who they are.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, do you think that they adequately… There’s a lot of they’s. And the country could be broken up into various pieces, a Kurdish piece. The Turks are very much involved in this. They really were supporting the various anti-rebel groups. Russia just folded like a cheap suit.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s where Assad went.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Assad got out of there and went right to Russia, where he was treated as a hero.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that’s why they did it, right? Because Russia was tied up. Yeah, he went to the buddy’s house. That’s what you do when you’re in trouble. You go to your buddy’s house. That’s what Assad did.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. So he got out. Saddam Hussein got caught in his hole. He didn’t get out. So it’s a really big change that happened extremely suddenly. And it leaves a power vacuum. In the best of all worlds, they’ll have some kind of a coalition government that’s peaceful and wants to rebuild the country and be peaceful with Israel and all that kind of thing. That would be wonderful.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Jordan, I mean, do you see it as kind of an interesting dynamic? And here’s what I mean. We now have returning to power here in America. the president who brought us the Abraham Accords before, that were starting up in the Middle East, and now you have Trump coming back into office and suddenly you have new leadership in Syria. Does this open up possibilities?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it does. What Trump said immediately is it’s their problem. Let them figure it out. I don’t want to get involved, basically. Well, that’s leaving a power vacuum there. and somebody’s going to move in, and we want good guys to move in instead of bad guys. So I don’t think you want to just let it play out and not have any influence whatsoever. We do have about 1,000 troops in Syria.
SPEAKER 04 :
The difference is we’ve got the good guys that are on our side that are watching over the bad guys, that being Israel, and if you’re Hamas right now, you should be paying very close attention to what just happened in Syria.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Well, I mean, the reason Syria fell so quickly, Assad fell after 60 years in office there, was Hamas has been pretty much wiped out. Hezbollah’s leadership has been pretty much wiped out. Russia’s been drained by Ukraine. Iran’s been hurt by Israel. So all of these supporters of Syria just kind of evaporated from the last little while here and just left the power vacuum. And the rebels were very smart. They said, now’s our time to strike. when they’re very weak, and the Syrian army, which had been so powerful, just folded almost instantly. It’s just the craziest thing. So we’ll see. It could go in a good way. I’m not sure I’d use the word democratic, but at least somewhat democratic coalition of all these different groups. It could go a bad way. It could be some kind of an ISIS or al-Qaeda affiliate takes over. Israel actually said today, we want to work in peace. We want to you know, be with them and have them be a peaceful neighbor. But if they’re not, we’ll treat them like Hamas and Hezbollah. Pretty clear, you know, which way things could go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Jordan, do you think some of the military laid down their arms so quickly because they were sympathetic to the rebels?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, when you’re in power, you think you’re all powerful. And then when the tide turns, people run. They were taking their uniforms off. collect at the end of world war two up no real problem because i want to become a nazi you know at all became civilians all sudden same kind of thing happened there that’s all kind of people try to get out of syria that have been supporting assad tons of people were trying to get into syria i thought pictures of enormous of lines of traffic of people wanted to get into syria like from turkey where they’ve been refugees all over the place so it’s it’s just gonna mix up the middle east I hope it comes out well, but usually those things go to the Middle East. It’s usually pretty volatile.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, we shall see. I’m not sure exactly, again, how that’s going to play out. Again, I’m not losing any sleep over it with the fact that Israel’s there monitoring what’s going on. We’ve got troops there as well, as you just said a moment ago. Trust me, I guarantee you they’re—well, I don’t know about this administration, but the next administration will be paying close attention to what’s going on. These buffoons we have right now, I have no idea what those guys are doing. I don’t think they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. No, you’re right, and they’ve— All these things have happened under Biden’s watch, and he had no influence over it whatsoever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you talk about a vacuum of leadership right now in Syria. The world has had an absolute vacuum of leadership for four years.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Yeah, well, things like this happen. Things like Afghanistan and the terrible, humiliating withdrawal from there happened on Biden’s watch. The Ukrainian war. I mean… Let me be really optimistic for a moment here. I’m going to be maybe two rose-colored glasses, but let’s try this on, okay? Trump comes in and does a deal with Russia and Ukraine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And basically the deal is Russia keeps the property, the territory it has, which is completely decimated anyway. I mean, who even wants it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they do some kind of a demilitarized zone, and they stop the war. And all these terrible losses and… But both sides are stopped. That would be wonderful.
SPEAKER 04 :
I already predicted that by January 20th, so that’s my prediction.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that would be really, really good to stop the war. Then he goes into the Middle East and reshapes the whole thing with Iran really weakened. Maybe the Arab states will come in and help Syria, help rebuild the Gaza Strip. Hezbollah is kind of destroyed in Lebanon. We’ve got a peaceful Lebanon situation. And, you know, the Abraham Accords, we get Saudi Arabia supporting all this. We get a redone Middle East that’s kind of pro-Western, pro-Israel instead of pro-Iranian. I mean, that would give him two Nobel Prize prizes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And everyone in the Middle East would be doing the Trump dance.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m just thinking really positively, but okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t see it, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t see anything you just said being out of question, Jordan. What was that again? I don’t see anything you just said being out of the ordinary or out of the question for Trump as it comes in.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s been going on for, whatever, three and a half years now with Ukraine and Russia.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, one of the things that Donald Trump could do and most likely will do is you look at Syria’s natural resources, which really haven’t been fully tapped because you’ve had an evil dictator running the thing, as you said, the last 40 years. So you open some of those things up and allow the people to have access to some wealth they’ve never seen before. It’s easy to get folks on your side when you do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Oh, yeah. All the elements are there to have the U.S. be the really good guys in helping them. I mean, we tried this before with Ukraine. After the Soviet Union fell apart in 1990, we went in and tried to help Ukraine become a democratic place, as we did with Russia and Eastern Europe. A lot of it worked. You know, we have democratic places now in Czech Republic and Slovenia and Slovakia and You know, East Germany is part of West Germany and Poland.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hungary and other places like that. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
It worked. It worked. You know, these have been just terrible communist states, and they’re relatively democratic now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, that’s why a lot of those folks, you know, head of Hungary, by the way, is very excited for a Donald Trump coming back into office because he understands how much that benefits his country. And I know there’s a lot of other countries over there because of what you just said that see it the same way.
SPEAKER 14 :
If they could stop the Russian-Ukraine war, that would be a major victory for the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I think they look at Donald Trump coming in and saying, no offense, but Biden’s lucky to wake up in the morning and have his bowl of Froot Loops, nonetheless go do what needs to be done around the world as far as peacekeeping goes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, really quick here, and I want to throw this to Jordan, my last question of the segment. Jordan, is it fair to say that outside of Ukraine… For the rest of the world, Donald Trump is the American president already.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not yet. He’s got about a month to go. I mean, he’s had a lot of influence now.
SPEAKER 05 :
It just seems like he is everywhere, talking to everybody, making decisions, already having Mexico basically say, okay, we’re going to be much more serious about immigration. Canada as well. He is wielding power everywhere, and Biden is wielding none.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Much more than during a transition. I’ll give you an asterisk on top of that, though, okay?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Elon Musk is president and a half.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fair enough.
SPEAKER 14 :
He’s there for everything. In other words, he’s in all these meetings. He’s deciding who should be appointed. He’s in meetings with Zelensky. You know, he’s going to restructure the government. So we have a kind of a co-president here. So it’s dark MAGA. Yeah, Maga Musk.
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We’ll talk about that. We’ll come right back. Don’t go anywhere. Those of you listening, by the way, Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man. Jordan, how do folks get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 14 :
They email me at jordan at moneyanswers.com.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, and, of course, Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man. Jordan, really quick on Musk being involved in some things right now, and I was just telling Andy through the break. Again, that’s something that actually, as a business owner myself, excites me. What we do in government is push all of the private sector away. We draw this hard line in the sand that, you know, this is private. We’re public. And frankly, Jordan, government sucks at everything it does. So why not take some advice from some folks on the private side that actually do very well at what they do? Because no offense, government doesn’t do very well.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s going to have a major impact on the way things are run. Now, we’ve tried this in the past. You might remember under Reagan, we had the Grace Commission run by the guy running Grace Chemicals. In 1990 or so, we had the Simpson-Bowles Commission. Those were politicians, but they had a lot of recommendations. This is going to be far more wide-reaching than that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, but those guys did not run, well, Twitter, which is now X. Those guys did not run the number one platform in the world. I mean, they’re not as out front. They were behind-the-scenes guys. They could not just leverage their name and their voice to make things popular and say, we really do need to make these cuts.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. I mean, this is a guy who’s got a track record of creating a car company out of thin air, basically, to take over the electric car.
SPEAKER 04 :
And doing a complete turnaround at Twitter and, you know, taking, you know, SpaceX, which literally was, I mean, he’s almost broke running SpaceX and now is re-landing rockets, which has never happened in the history of the world.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. All kinds of things he’s done. He’s got a major, major investment in artificial intelligence, billions of dollars. He’s building a site in Tennessee. I heard it has. It’s not there yet, but it’s being built. A million computers with NVIDIA chips on them.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s getting close to being done. He took over the old Electrolux plant is what he did.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And I mean, the power of something like that is beyond comprehension, basically. So this is a guy that makes things happen and makes them happen fast. So it’s going to be very interesting to see because there’s going to be massive resistance. From every part of the government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Everything he’s going to recommend. Everything.
SPEAKER 05 :
I hate to spend too much time.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I think the public was behind, you know, what Trump’s doing here, too, in wanting a real change agent. Yeah, the public is tired.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I really believe this, Jordan. And this was spoken loud and clear in this last election. The public is tired of their hard-earned tax dollars being wasted on everything from illegal immigration to junkets to you name it. They’re tired of that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. So we’ll see. And there’s a lot of inertia, I guess, when it comes to change in Washington. Trump’s talking about taking agencies out of Washington and putting them in the field.
SPEAKER 04 :
Best way to do it, by the way. In fact, I was telling Andy before we came on air today, I mean, as far as reducing… The cost of those agencies and eliminating some payroll in the process because some of those people, frankly, Jordan, won’t move. One of the easiest ways to downsize something agency-wise is to move it. So brilliant, by the way. Best thing that could ever happen to them.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, for example, I think they did that when the Bureau of Land Management moved to Denver. BLM, yeah. So that was an example of doing that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they went to the western slope over to Grand Junction is where they went, Jordan. Which, by the way, has been a huge help to that area over there. It gets them actually in the center of a lot of that territory that they’re actually managing and handling anyways. And much better for them to do it here than in D.C.,
SPEAKER 14 :
No. So it’s going to be a complete rethink of the way government works.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, no offense, Department of Energy should be in the panhandle of Texas in the Permian Basin.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Midland, Texas.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ramaswamy is going to add, he’s a multi-billionaire who created business out of nowhere as well. So it’s just going to be fascinating to see what the so-called DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, is actually going to be able to pull off. But I think the government is very much behind what they want to do. So if that were to work and we could get the deficit down because we’re spending a lot less money, that would be very, very positive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Well, first of all, I’m going to be honest. I love what Doge is going to do. I think they’re going to cut over a trillion. I think that’s great. But you know what? That’s not going to come near to fixing the problem. And we are not going to fix the problem because we’re not going to go after entitlement spending. And until you do that, and Trump won’t do that, but until you do that, forget it. You’re shooting BBs at a tank. However, Jordan… What about all these government workers who are going to be out of work as a result of Doge? They’re going to get bulldozed. I keep saying that, right? Bulldozed, yes. I keep saying they’re going to get bulldozed. What are they going to do in the private sector? Because then they’re going to turn around and go to the private sector looking for jobs. Are a lot of them going to think tanks? Or are they going to do actual jobs? I’ve got one here. The Director of Climate Diversification.
SPEAKER 04 :
That person will be on the bread line. Food service?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, he’ll be on the bread line. What on earth, and I mean literally, what on planet earth is that lady qualified to actually do if this is what she’s been doing?
SPEAKER 04 :
Maybe some college you’ll hire, that’s about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, Audubon Society, something like that. I mean, in general, I think there are highly qualified people in government who will get jobs in the private sector and add a lot to the private sector.
SPEAKER 04 :
True. Some will.
SPEAKER 14 :
Some will. You know, some of them, not all of them, but I think a lot of them will. So if we care much more, I mean, look at the world in the exact opposite. This would be a revolution for us because the rest of the world is going the other direction. You look at Europe, okay? France and Denmark and all these places have more and more government jobs all the time, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
And we need to go the opposite. I mean, again, you talked about a moment ago with Musk and AI. For all of you listening, please hear me out on this because a lot of conservatives are against AI. I am not one of them, by the way, Jordan. I look at government, how inefficient things are, even the computer systems that we use to run things. The IRS is working off of systems from the 60s, and I am not exaggerating when I say that. Right. You talk about the amount of manual labor that goes into a lot of these government agencies and workers and so on. You could literally modernize so many things in government and make things so much more efficient to where these workers, frankly, Jordan, are just not going to be needed any longer. And to Andy’s point, I hate to say this, but the lowly data entry person, frankly, is going to have to go find a job, and it may not be that easy for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, what about the DEI people?
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re worthless. They’re done. Yeah, I don’t know what they’re going to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, I hope that they have other skills because the skills they have, you know, pushing racism everywhere is not really a skill. That’s called activism. And I don’t know what their skills, where they’re going to get paid to do that in the free market.
SPEAKER 14 :
The lucky part about this is that we have artificial intelligence. just blooming at this time. So that’s the solution to make things much, much more efficient. I saw something today where there’s literally a voice to video instantly. So I saw that if you speak into the computer, this is through ChatGPT, and literally whatever you say becomes like a movie.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it’ll do it, yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, instantly. They had a picture, they say, put woolly mammoths running on a desert. A picture in 3D of woolly mammoths running on a desert. I mean, it’s just amazing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I want a giraffe hanging off a cliff that’s being rescued by an excavator. It’ll make that video.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, it’s a new world, and it’s coming along just at the right time when we have people who are willing to change things dramatically. There’s a lot of areas. I’ll just give you another example that could change dramatically. Education. Okay? Oh, yeah. Trump talks about the academy. And maybe we don’t have to send people, as many people as we do, to four-year college education and have all this debt and not really get good skills. Maybe people could learn much faster and more efficiently with artificial intelligence. It’s already happening in education, but it could be really encouraged to get people the skills they need much, much faster and more efficiently. That’s just one of my examples.
SPEAKER 04 :
The biggest issue that they’re going to run into along those lines, and this could be an entire subject matter for an hour and don’t want to spend that much time on it, but getting people to think differently. differently in regards to what you just said a moment ago, Jordan. We have got teachers literally in classrooms that have been doing it the quote-unquote old-fashioned way that are going to be very resistant to what you’re saying because at the end of the day, their job’s on the line.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Well, in that case, they’re tenured. You can’t even get rid of them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not necessarily an elementary or high school teacher, not in the public school systems around the country. They might have some pension and some things like that, but there’s no tenure for those folks.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it’s hard to fire teachers, and they have all kinds of union representative protections in various ways. I’m talking about the college level. All of us could be upset dramatically, and in some ways very positively. Things could be much more beneficial, but they’re going to be losers. They’re clearly going to be losers of this as well. But you can’t stop progress. We can’t be Luddites.
SPEAKER 04 :
we don’t want the machines coming and as you know this is going to have a big effect and we saw job numbers come out last week which by the way i think are completely false they’re overrated there’s mostly government workers in that number they’ll be revised once trump takes office they’ll make him look like the goat when it’s all said and done they’re trying to make biden look like the hero and and they’re going to try to make you know trump look like the goat at the end of the day i think people will be able to read through that but again it’s At the end of the day, Jordan, you know, we’ll talk about this as we go through 2025. You’re going to see all sorts of things jump around when it comes to these numbers, because to you and Andy’s point a moment ago and some of these government agencies get some big changes made to them. And some of these people have to start looking for jobs. And granted, some may just take early retirement or do something along those lines. But you’re going to see people having to switch jobs and that may affect those numbers.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it could, but I must say that on Friday the jobs number came out 227,000 jobs in November. About 30,000 of those were government. The vast majority of them are still considered private sector. And the two biggest areas are health care and travel and leisure and hospitality. So most of them are in the private sector.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I noticed that there was a real bump in leisure and hospitality. Why do you think that is?
SPEAKER 14 :
People are traveling a lot. The cruises are filled and the airports are filled. I mean, over Thanksgiving… It was a record day. I forgot what the number was.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, even here in Denver it was. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Some huge number of people are traveling, and they’re taking their cars, and they’re visiting hotels, and a lot of people out there traveling. A lot of people are doing very well in this economy, and you can think, with the stock market up, with Bitcoin up, people are feeling, consumer confidence is up, people are feeling very good, and they’re outspending, and a lot of them are spending it on experiences. Because they were cooped up during the COVID times.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they were cooped up and also got the pent-up demand, but also, Jordan, and maybe you can answer this after the break, okay? But do you think that Trump getting elected has created such a surge in people, the positivity of the market, the positivity of the consumer, the willingness to not only go and spend big for the Christmas season, but also travel more, do everything more?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, I think so. And the other part is business. I mean, you need business to have confidence to invest. And I think they’re going to have much more confidence to invest. Their taxes may be going down. There’ll be more incentives for them to invest, particularly if we put tariffs elsewhere of other countries, there’ll be an incentive to invest in America. So the combination of consumer confidence and business confidence is very powerful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. All right, we’ll come right back. We’ll keep talking. Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man. Again, Jordan, one more time, how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com is my email.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy Payton. Of course, Jordan Goodman, America’s Money Answer Man. Jordan, South Korea, which we’ve been watching also, lots of things that have happened there. And, you know, they’ve been a very friendly country. We’ve helped them a lot over the years, helped them rebuild and did a lot along those areas. You know, of course, it’s a great importer to us as a country. We get a lot of electronics and things along those lines, cars included. What’s that looking like moving forward and what are your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 14 :
i think the word cast comes up again with you seem to be going that direction because uh… it doesn’t normally very solid stable country and last week uh… because of various protests and uh… accusations the president had various kinds of corruption uh… he didn’t like all the protest outside so he declared martial law the legislatures rushed past the soldiers to go into the assembly to uh… overturn martial law a hundred ninety zero in six hours. That didn’t go too well for him. And then they tried to impeach him, and his party members walked out of the legislature on Saturday, and so they didn’t have enough of a quorum to impeach him. They’re going to keep trying to impeach him. So just a lot of political volatility that would not normally be expected from such a stable place. Korea has had the second highest growth rate in the world after Taiwan. Both very successful countries. So things are not growing as fast as they used to, but they’re still a very strong country with companies like Samsung and Kia and all kinds of major players that we see with their products here all the time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, absolutely. Well, time will tell how that ends up working out, I guess, when it’s all said and done. Talk to us about, given the fact we’re talking Asian now, talk about China and really some of the things that are happening there. They’re not in great shape, and frankly, the Trump administration, him coming in, has got to be making the Chinese government very nervous.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they are. Trump is talking about putting 35% tariffs on all imports of Chinese goods, which is over… $500 billion worth of goods a year. The idea is to discourage companies from making things in China and bring them into the U.S. to make them here. Some of the things they could do in theory, but a lot of things they just can’t. I’ll just give you an example. Strategic minerals, which are the so-called rare earth minerals, 97% of that market is controlled by China. And these are these small, rare minerals, but they’re needed in chips and defense and just all kinds of different areas. Last week, China said they’re not going to export that to the U.S. anymore in retaliation for some controls on sending chips to China. So the trade war has already started before Trump has gotten into office here. I mean, again, there’s two ways that they could respond, the Chinese. They could say, okay, we don’t want to get hit with huge tariffs. Our economy is already weak. We’ll open up our markets and do all kinds of things to China. make and stop exporting fentanyl i mean all kinds of things in china doesn’t we don’t like right and then we have lower tariffs and more trade and that’s really wonderful for the world or they could respond the way they have so far you’re not pushing us around we’re going to not sell you strategic minerals which are crucial to you and and that you know put tariffs on their own on for example american agricultural products which is very big going to china so we could either have peace breakout or a bigger war And if they put a 35% tariff on all products coming from China, that’s a tax on Americans. That’s going to get paid in the form of higher prices by consumers.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go ahead, Danny. Okay, really quick. I don’t want to move on from the mineral rights too quickly. Is there a chance, though, Trump has talked about in the past, of opening up more mining companies? That would be great, but it would take years. And when you’ve got people like Trump and Musk and these kinds of people working together, and let’s not forget the vague, when they want something to happen, it tends to happen very quickly. So if they were to open up more… I’m not even sure we have the minerals here. Oh, we have a lot of them. We have a lot of them. The problem is a lot of them are locked up on federal lands. And you’ve had the Obama administration. Unfortunately, the Bush administration didn’t fix these things. And the Biden administration, you’ve got these people.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the EPA and others that really restrict us doing a lot of these things.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s just it. They’re letting the deep state within, of course, the EPA and other agencies lock these things up. And so if Doge comes in, bulldozes, as I keep saying, and you’ve got a lot of the power taken away from these agencies, and if Trump opens this up, that opens up futures with the mining ones.
SPEAKER 14 :
That would help a lot, because we are totally dependent, particularly on China, for these very important strategic minerals. But again, even if it’s Trump or Musk time, it would still take years to get these mines up and operating in any significant way. Very true.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would debate both of you on that. No, it doesn’t take years. If you can fast-track these things and get things cranking along, we as a country have been known to build things very, very quickly if you get one key thing out of the way, government. If you get them out of the way, we can do things very quickly.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, I hope so, because it would be really good to have strategic minerals.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
It depends on China.
SPEAKER 05 :
One real advantage is that a lot of the assessments have already been done of the land.
SPEAKER 04 :
And my point with China is I think they should be very careful in their response, because if they make happen what the three of us just got done talking about, that will not end well for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Well, beyond that, so we’ve talked in the past on the show about the BRICS countries, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Knuckleheads. 100% tariff. Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Argentina, some other places. They just had a meeting in Russia in November. And basically they’re trying to dethrone the U.S. dollar. And so they want a new currency. They’d love to. The BRICS currency backed by gold as an alternative to the dollar. Well, Trump heard that. He said, okay, any country that tries to dethrone the dollar, we’re going to put a 100% tariff on them. Good. That would be dramatic. That would really affect the world economy. You’re talking about China. You’re talking about India, Argentina. We import a lot of stuff from these places.
SPEAKER 05 :
Jordan, do you get the idea that Trump uses tariffs? Because there are different ways to use tariffs. You can use them just to protect union interests and so forth, protect the jobs. But also, he seems to use them as leverage. As a threat. And so it seems like he comes out big. You know, Trump is a negotiator, right? The art of the deal. And so he comes out big, 100%. OK, but do you get the feeling that he’s coming out big just to scare them and then he could be negotiated down from there?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, he did. I mean, he did tariffs. He actually followed through in his first term with tariffs on China, which Biden actually kept. He didn’t pull them back. So he follows through on his threats. I think 100 percent is a bit much. But are you going to change behavior? I don’t think so. I don’t think Brazil, Russia, India, China are going to give up on the BRICS efforts. So that could be a monumental battle over literally the financial system of the world. And is the dollar still the world’s reserve currency, or is there going to be a new alternative for them? Half the world’s population are in the BRICS countries.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean… Half the world’s population that are all run by knuckleheads and don’t have good economies themselves.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, here’s a question for both of you, okay?
SPEAKER 04 :
Really quick, am I right, Jordan? These are not thriving countries.
SPEAKER 14 :
I wouldn’t agree with that with all of them. I think India, for example, has run pretty well.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a third world country, Jordan.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is, but it’s growing.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not even second world yet.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I would agree about Russia. I would agree about China. Brazil, yeah, I’d agree about Brazil. And South Africa, I would agree. So mostly, I would agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I look at these as wannabe players in the market.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, China’s the second largest economy in the world, so they may be in trouble, but they’re still very large.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they’re in huge trouble, and we’ve talked about that many times here. And I think they’re – by the way, their troubles are just starting to surface. And frankly, it’s why they push so hard to make sure that a Joe Biden or a Kamala Harris became and or stayed president. They don’t want Donald Trump in there. That’s detrimental to their economy.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s correct. And they’re really feeling a lot of hurt right now, because their whole economy was based on an export model. And exporting, having a lot of jobs in China, taking jobs from the rest of the world. I’ll just give you, we’ve talked about this before, the electric car market. Okay, Chinese electric car, we’ve kind of stopped them because we’re putting big tariffs, I think 100% tariffs on them. But they’ve decimated the German and other French and other European car makers, and by putting a huge amount, millions of electric cars into Europe and taking away big market share. That’s an example of kind of exporting their way to success. A lot of countries don’t like it anymore, and they’re going to be pushing back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and really quick, as a country that has probably stolen more from the United States than any other country, I do not feel one bit of sympathy for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they’re hurting. They’re hurting right now. I mean, their stock market’s been bad. Their real estate market is a complete mess because they have this massive overbuilding and all these literally millions of unfinished apartments that people invested in. It’s really hurt consumer confidence. And they also have a demographic problem. Because they had the one-child policy for so long.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s an older population. There’s not enough younger people to support them. And even the younger people that are there can’t get decent jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’ve made grave mistakes over the years. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Jordan, in his past dealings with other countries, you know, Trump has always gone with the carrot and the stick, right? And he leads with the stick. I’m going to do 100% of this, 25% of that. But then he also… He sits down with them and brings the carrot. So when you’re talking about the BRICS countries, what kind of carrot can he offer to soften the blow? Well, look at them and say, look, you really want our consumers, obviously, buying your products. What are some things we can do?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, what he’s asking was to stop their effort to create an alternate currency. And I don’t think they’re going to do it. I don’t know what carrot you could offer them to get them off of their path. They do not want to be deprived of the U.S.
SPEAKER 04 :
anymore. No, and this is the stick only, in my opinion. There is no carrot. You’re right. There are no carrots for that one.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m just going by his past negotiating tactics.
SPEAKER 04 :
You have to, at the end of the day, crush these other countries that want to do that, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 14 :
This has been one of our major benefits, having the dollar as the world reserve currency since the end of World War II. Before that, it was the British pound. Britain was controlling the world. And that’s been a major… It’s helped us with exports. It’s helped our economy grow. It’s made the dollar strong. Threatening that is a major threat to the U.S. government, I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
One last thing before I let you go, Jordan. I’m going to combine breaks so we can give you a little more time that way. Antitrust policy changes, which I think you’re going to see under the Trump administration. What’s that going to do in that world?
SPEAKER 14 :
Complete opposite of what we’ve had. The Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department Antitrust Division have been stopping all kinds of what I thought were sensible mergers. And that’s going to be completely changed. So now we’ll have rational margins. I’ll just give you an example. Spirit Airlines wanted to get together with JetBlue. And they blocked that. The FTC blocked that. And JetBlue, I mean, Spirit just declared bankruptcy. That’s right. And they needed to get together.
SPEAKER 04 :
They needed to. That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And there’s a lot of other areas.
SPEAKER 04 :
That would have been better for consumers to have done that than what the FTC did.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. That’s right. And this week, Mondelez said they want to buy Hershey. uh… they’d apparently today they blocked the croger albertson’s deal uh… which yes would have been massive company but they’re competing not against local stores but against amazon and costco and huge other other that’s when i predict after trump takes over we’ll get revived so those are you know i think are in general positive i do want to stop monopolistic behavior i do agree with that but i think in many cases like this uh… spirit jet blue you make two relatively weaker companies stronger by combining them.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And a lot of good mergers. I mean, there were some of them that overwhelmed it, like when Microsoft bought Activision Blizzard. That’s been very positive. But they had to spend two years in court battling it out. This will be much easier. So one sector of the economy that’s going to boom, absolutely, is the investment banks and mergers and acquisitions. This is going to be a glorious time to be in the M&A.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, one last time. How do folks find you, Jordan?
SPEAKER 14 :
Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com. I get emails from your folks all the time, and I’m always glad to help them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Appreciate you, Jordan. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year as well. Appreciate you this last year.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s been a really interesting year, and next year will be even more interesting.
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One and a half?
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I’m a rich guy.
