In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush, with assistance from Andy Pate, embarks on a thorough examination of political leadership dynamics. The conversation covers everything from the sacking of historical cities to the political happenings of the modern era, highlighting the loftiness of leadership rhetoric versus the gritty reality. Additionally, ponder the recent shifts within Colorado’s political sphere and what they might mean for the state’s future as well as the potential candidates eyeing the Colorado GOP leadership role.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job done. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush.
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And it is Tuesday, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and for those of you on the west side of town, it might be a little cloudy or snowy, or I don’t know what the weather’s doing today, Andy, but thanks for being here.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s blowing in, and by the way, welcome back, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good to see you again. Thanks for handling things as I was gone. I appreciate it very much. Happy to help. Possible question yesterday. Which U.S. national park contains the deepest lake in the United States? That would be Crater Lake Park in Oregon. It is the deepest lake in the U.S. at 1,949 feet. Wow. That’s deep. A lake. It’s a lot of water.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it’s deeper than any of the Great Lakes?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I don’t think any of them are that deep. Wow, okay. It was formed when Mount Mazama erupted violently and collapsed, creating a caldera that later filled with water from precipitation. So there you go. Actually, I knew this answer. I don’t know why. I was studying something the other day and was looking up deep water lakes and so on.
SPEAKER 14 :
You were looking up deep water lakes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because I thought Tahoe was the deepest.
SPEAKER 14 :
Folks, if you wanted to know the things that John Rush does in his off time.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know, weird.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was looking up deep water lakes.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know why. I was just curious, I guess. I don’t know. Okay. At any rate, today’s a possible question. Which major Christian city was sacked during the Fourth Crusade in 1204? Which major Christian city was sacked during the Fourth Crusade in 1204? I don’t know what sacked means, by the way. Taken. Oh, taken. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, when people come in, they invade, they come over the walls, they sack the city, they take the city.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve never heard that. You haven’t? No, never heard that. I would call it attacking the city, not sacking it. Sacking it’s what you do with groceries. You ever watch Monty Python? Well, not anymore because there’s no bags left.
SPEAKER 14 :
You ever watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Oh, yeah. Okay, so, you know, remember when the French are casting down insults at them?
SPEAKER 10 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 14 :
That was to keep them from sacking the city.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. All right, good to know. Tonight, by the way, Trump will do his first speech to Congress. This should be fun, which will be fun tonight to watch. So those of you that have the ability, I would encourage you to do so. Now, keep in mind, I believe he will hit on a lot of the hot topics that I mean, I don’t have a crystal ball, but I’m guessing he’ll hit on all the hot topics. Andy, everything from Doge to tariffs to what other countries are doing to what Zelensky had to say the other day and so on.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think, well, I suspect when it comes to Zielinski, the main thing he’s going to be announcing is that Z is coming back to sign the deal, which we predicted here on Russia Region.
SPEAKER 10 :
Anyways, what a bozo. Sorry, that guy’s a little dictator. I do not like him at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, I personally think he got wound up by Democrats behind the scenes. And I know they had that meeting beforehand, which, by the way, totally out of line. How can you meet with the opposing party? Now, there were a few Republicans there, but… How can you meet with the opposing party before meeting with Donald Trump? Because you’re not very smart, Andy. That is dumb with a capital D, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s not a smart man. I’m sorry. He’s not a smart man. I’ll just tell you that straight up. He is not a smart man. He is a comedic actor that was placed in office to be the puppet, literally, of those that actually run the country. And even the people that live in Ukraine understand everything I just said. And he does not have a ton of respect among the citizens of Ukraine. And that’s a fact.
SPEAKER 14 :
John, have you ever had to go into a department or a business and fix it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Do you know how resistant people are?
SPEAKER 10 :
Very.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, it’s like Trump is dealing with the deep state right now, right? People can get wound up to believing they have a lot more power than they have. And then they’re very abrasive and resistant when you come in and they’re trying to work behind the scenes. I believe the Democrats had him wound up behind the scenes. I don’t even think so much in that meeting. As you know, the biggest conversations don’t happen in the boardroom. They happen in the hallway.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. It’s the meeting before the meeting or the meeting after the meeting.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s where it happens. And I believe the Dems told him, we got your back, buddy. You don’t have to sign this. You don’t have to take this from him. Because what we saw in that meeting was a guy who went in, loaded for bear, and who thought he had the wind at his back, who thought he could stand up to Trump. And it’s just like, are you out of your mind? And what does he find out? Well, a couple days later, Trump drops all the military support for them. Now he’s coming back. Never listen to a Democrat. Ever.
SPEAKER 10 :
Bad advice. Um… Which he should have known. Yes. He was tongue-lashed by J.D. Vance for doing that during the campaign. You would have thought that he would have known some of this was going to be coming. Again, A, Andy, not very good advisors around him. B, he’s just not a wise. And sorry, folks, this is not because. No, he is wise. And when I say this, this isn’t because I’m for or against someone. This is just simply my observation when it comes to world leaders. Right. Zelensky not very smart, Putin extremely smart. Putin conniving, understands how systems work, understands how to get people to do what he wants to do. I don’t like the guy, but what I’m telling you is the truth. Zelensky, on the other hand, he’s just a fool. Right. Sorry.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, John, think about it.
SPEAKER 10 :
There’s no comparison there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Take Zelensky and Trump. Take them all out of it for a moment. Let’s say you’re John Rush. You’re representing a country. You’re going into that country, and you’ve already got a deal that you are there to sign. It could be Ecuador. I don’t care. Pick a country.
SPEAKER 10 :
You just go sign it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, but would you as John Rush— Go in and first meet with the opposition party to the leadership you’re signing with because it was primarily the opposition he was meeting with, primarily. And the Republicans who were there, they were angry at him for not signing. So it’s not like they talked him out of signing. So you go and first meet with them and probably in the hallways as well. And first of all, would you meet with the opposition beforehand? Secondly, if you did, which you wouldn’t, would you allow them to talk you into being belligerent going into the main meeting? You’ve got to be dumb, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, why? Why agree to the deal in the first place if that’s the way you’re going to play it out? Right. By the way, I know I talk a lot on this program about leadership. I know I’ve hit Dave Williams a gazillion times with his lack of. I’m doing the same thing now with Zelensky. These are not good leadership moves. In fact, it’s absolutely awful leadership. It’s poor in the way they handle themselves. And I know I talk about it a lot. But the reality is, folks, we’re lacking leadership worldwide. We’re definitely lacking it nationwide. We lack it in schools. We lack it in churches. We lack it in business. It’s just not there, and mainly because the Marxist movement has taken leadership out of the equation, because when there’s no leaders left, Andy, it’s easy to take over.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. But usually, John, when we see bad leaders in a business or whatever, we just wind up with our head in our hands. Maybe some people lose jobs. When this guy, when you put a bad leader in his position, people die. Right. And it’s really, really consequential. I’ll tell you what a good leader does. A good leader does like Trump and puts people in position like J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio. Why do I say them? Because over the last two, three days, they’ve been out there doing the media tour. Correct. And they were brilliant. And I mean brilliant. You know me, I’m into messaging, so I’m watching and I’m looking for all these little tactics and things and what they say. Breathtaking. They were so spot on. Rubio’s going on CNN, ABC, and just dicing them. JD then goes on a friendly one with Sean Hannity, but he goes into depth on what happened with the meeting. Brilliant. I’m telling you what, a great leader appoints people like them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, a great leader knows how to read. A great leader is not afraid of the people that he or she have around them. A great leader knows strategy, how to get what you want at the end of the day. I mean, I can go down the list. And the reality is we haven’t had, Andy said it well a moment ago, poor leaders, people can die under. And we’ve seen that even with Joe Biden. The mess that is Ukraine today is only because of one person. That would be Joe Biden. It is. Period. Period. He armed both sides.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
He drove up the price of oil to arm the Russians. And then, of course, he gave all our tax dollars away to arm the other side. And, oh, by the way, he forced the whole issue in the first place by demanding that Ukraine be led into, you know, into NATO.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And the Russians are saying, we don’t want somebody on our doorstep in NATO. That means if we have a skirmish, NATO has to literally engage with us militarily.
SPEAKER 10 :
And you go all the way back to.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I’m not backing the Russians for what they did. I’m just talking what happened.
SPEAKER 10 :
I was reading some things, again, reading some things along these lines as well. And the one thing, too, that never gets talked about in the media is when Russia took over Crimea. Right. Everybody in which was at that point, everybody thinks was a part of Ukraine. But no, it wasn’t. It was its own sovereign nation. Right. And the problem was all of the leaders left. And the agreement was, if you can’t meet your sovereignty. If at any point in time you can’t stay sovereign, we, this is Russia talking, we as Russia, because they agreed to this separation of what they ended up doing back when Russia fell, when the USSR fell. And the agreement at that time was if you as a nation ever get to the point where you’re not able to hold on to your sovereignty any longer, we’re taking you back. So what happened in Crimea was all the leaders left. Huge vacuum. Right. So what did Russia do? They took it back. Of course. I’m not saying that’s right, wrong or otherwise. That was the agreement that they had in the first place. Well, then, you know, Ukraine runs around saying, oh, you invaded. You took us over. You took part of Ukraine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, that’s not really what happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it is. But what did happen, we got to keep in mind, happened during the Obama administration.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
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2014.
SPEAKER 14 :
Then four years of Trump, nothing happens. Then Biden comes along and you have full invasion. It’s like, you know what? Trump’s been the only good thing for you guys. I mean, come on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we can get into more of that even later on as far as I talked about this yesterday, even in regards to Zelensky and some of the things that were happening and so on. And yeah, that story is not over yet. As you all know, as far as what Andy just said a moment ago, yes, he is going to be coming back. And I believe they will have a deal done when it’s all said and done. And I think there’ll be a lot of apologies that come out of Zelensky when it’s all said and done. All right, we come back. Because we’ve got some things happening here in Colorado, and I talked about this yesterday. One of my dreams has come true. Dave Williams has decided to step down and not run again for the chairmanship of the Colorado GOP. I wish it had been much sooner than it is now. But regardless, one of my dreams actually did come true, or one of my wishes finally did come true. What we’re going to come back, though, and talk about is some of the people that want to take over the chairmanship of the Colorado GOP. And I have some… How should I say this, Andy? I have questions.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right, we talked a little bit about this yesterday, and I said that I would get into it more today with Andy, and not because I wanted to do this with Andy. I mean, that’s part of it, but part of it was we just didn’t have enough time yesterday to get into this. But I did give you guys enough of a teaser to where I told you today we would talk about not all of the candidates that are running for GOP chair, but a couple of them in particular. And I said yesterday, and I mean this, and I actually got a couple, surprisingly enough, I got a few text messages as I got home and read through some of my messages that were late in the show that I wasn’t able to actually look at while I was on air. It’s always harder for me to do that when I’m by myself, of course. But a lot of you were wondering the same thing I was. Now, before I get into the two that are in particular that are running, One of the things that bothers me, and you see this for some reason, some of you that were texters even, you guys that were communicating with me last night, you actually, I think, brought more of this to my attention than I’d even thought prior. And that is this, Andy. It seems like in the last couple of decades, but maybe the last decade especially, we’ve had all sorts of quote-unquote newcomers to Colorado politics, both sides of the aisle, but especially on our side. And I’m not quite understanding why a lot of these newcomers, you know, pop in and all of a sudden they’re going to make Colorado red. It’s like, okay, wait a minute. First of all, where’d you come from? Number two, have you not known that Colorado hasn’t been red in my lifetime? And yes, I know we had a short period of time where we did some things down at the Golden Dome to where we had a few things going in our direction. But I would by no means say the state was red at that point in time. So anybody that comes along and says, let’s take the state back to red, you’ve not lived here very long. I’m a native. Been here, you know, 60 years. I don’t remember when I was born, of course, but I’ve been watching politics. I know I was one of those weird kids. I’ve been watching politics from the time I was probably, you know, 10 or 12 years of age on up.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ve seen Lamb and Romer. They weren’t recent. Blue has been the prevailing color here for quite a while.
SPEAKER 10 :
For a very long time.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it took a hard turn about over the last two decades.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, most definitely. It got worse. So, first off… Number one, I’m not against any individuals that we’re going to be talking about. I am. I’m just going to bring you some of my own thoughts and observations. Andy can have his own opinions. I also will say that, you know, to me, and again, you guys as texters, you know, reiterated this to me last night. I’m struggling to figure out why. Why do some, not everyone, Andy, but why do some feel like I can leave my home state, wherever that is, Tennessee, California, whatever, I don’t know, wherever, and all of a sudden go to Colorado and become politically active, become a politician, do this, do that? I mean, even Dave Williams himself did not grow up in Colorado. He came from outside, came here. So I think there’s a lot of us that are especially natives thinking, okay, why? I understand people come to different places for different reasons and so on, but I almost feel like, Andy, there are some – and I’m going to talk about one of these today – I almost feel like there are some that arrive here thinking, okay, this is my in. I can go to Colorado and get into politics where I may not have been able to do that in my home state, so I’ll go to Colorado instead. Now, I don’t know if that’s true. But it appears that way at times.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Am I wrong in my thought process?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you’re right. And the reason is when you have a state that one side just collapses like it has, that makes the people of that side very open and, shall we say, naive, shall we say, you know, when somebody’s open to a pitch.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Well, let me – okay. They’re gullible. Did you hear me yesterday talking about the comparisons between that and church? Did you hear that part? I did not. Okay, so if you didn’t, I’ll repeat it. Go ahead. I think there’s some comparisons here. And we’ve got the rest of this hour to go through all of this, so trust me, it’s going to take me a little bit, Andy and I, to piece through some of these things. So the way I explained it yesterday, Andy, the way I see the GOP in Colorado right now is, unlike a lot of churches and volunteer organizations— Who, by the way, are always desperate for help. Right. Very few churches are not desperate for people to come along and help. So they’ll accept anyone. Yeah, and I wasn’t too far off yesterday. Charlie and I were talking. If you’ve got a church of, say, 500, Andy, you need at least 50 volunteers to run a church of 500. I’m not too far off on my ratios, am I? No. So to find those 50, you become, honestly, pretty accepting. Now, in the last decade plus, churches have gotten a little bit tighter when it comes to children’s ministries and the nursery and so on. They’ll run background checks and so on. But I will tell you, a couple of decades ago, they didn’t do any of that. If you just said, I’ll hold the baby, hey, you’re in the nursery.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and also you have to keep in mind a lot of churches were really hurting for funds, and so they didn’t have the money to do background checks.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, so if you said you had a heart to do X, you were in. Well, honestly, the same things happened in the Colorado GOP here in Colorado, so I agree with Andy. The reason for that is because there’s such a vast need for people that will get involved and do this and do that, that if you just show up and fog the mirror, you’re accepted. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, John, why do you think that most organizations, including churches, try to convert people when they’re young, when they’re vulnerable?
SPEAKER 10 :
Because then you can have them for lifers that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Because people are vulnerable at a point where they feel they’re breaking from what they’ve had before. They’re disappointed in what raised them. And, you know, every teenager, you know, feels a certain amount of rebellion against what’s raised them simply because that controlled them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they don’t want to be controlled. Here’s the thing. In Colorado, we had a lot of these people. They see the fields are ripe for harvest for what they do. And I’m just going to say it. These are predators. These are political predators who we’re talking about. And, yes, I’m going to be talking about people like Laurie Sane. And I’m going to be talking about people like Dave Williams and people like Darcy Shaining and so forth. These are predators. And here’s what I mean politically. political predators they see a situation where a bunch of people have gone through hell they see that they’re vulnerable these people are reaching their hands up out of the waves and willing to accept any line that is thrown to them and so what has happened is and what you do is that you then lie to the people about what brought them to this point now first of all what brought us to this point we already know you know i know we’ve all we all know we had over 800 000 Blue state voters move in over about a decade and a half period, okay? We’ve had a total transition. This wasn’t a red state to begin with, and then we just got a tidal wave.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, you’re right. And to dovetail in what you’re saying, along those same lines, Andy, we talked in the last segment about leadership. Well, the reality is you’re correct, all of that spot on, 100%. And then on top of all of that, to add icing to the cake, if you would, we had poor leadership in the Colorado GOP to try and counter some of what you just said. We didn’t have good volunteers. We didn’t have good messaging. We didn’t have good strategy on how to win campaigns and so on. And so in turn, we just kept losing and losing and losing and losing and losing to the point of where we are now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we had a look at the messaging of even recently the Ganahl campaign, of course, you know, wonderful candidate.
SPEAKER 10 :
The message was all wrong. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, and so we looked at these things. And, yes, there were a lot of leaders who honestly didn’t have any vision for how to counter this tidal wave coming in.
SPEAKER 10 :
Andy, there were some who wouldn’t even admit the tidal wave was happening. Right. I’m sorry to say, I mean, again, we, I think, still have people today who, that feel like… This is still a red state. I’ll give you an example. They believe this. Yeah, you can take a fringe area, okay? I’m looking west. Pick a fringe area. They’re all over, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
What do you mean fringe area that’s still red? It’s… Like Elizabeth or someplace like that?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s not fully blue, but it’s not fully red.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, oh, I see what you mean.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m going to call that a fringe area. It’s a purple area.
SPEAKER 14 :
A purple district.
SPEAKER 10 :
Go ahead. So we’ve got people that feel like you can still take that… hardcore honestly somebody like andy and i that are principled that believe in and run us in a purple district you can take somebody like us that believe life starts at conception and on and on and on we go and feel like you could take somebody like andy and i and run them in that purple district and win or say believe that you can run ron hanks in cd3
SPEAKER 14 :
Which would have been one of the most laughable… I mean, that was such a bad idea that the Democrat was literally paying big money to run ads to help Ron Hanks in our primary.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. That’s how bad of an idea that was. My point is, we still have people today… Who believe that’ll work. Yeah, that believe you… And by the way, two of them are running for state chair. Yes, and I’ll go one step further. We’ve got people today that believe you can even run that sort of candidate in downtown Denver and win. Yeah. They do. We have nut jobs that literally think you can take that hardcore, principled right side of the aisle, which, by the way, we are, and run them in Denver and win.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, these people never listen to Jesus. You know what I mean? And here’s what I mean. Because they say, well, if you just say the hard truth, they’re going to come around. If you just speak the truth, speak it boldly. What did Jesus say? Broad, wide is the path to destruction. Many will take it. Narrow is the gate to life. Few will take it. And he was speaking the truth. He was speaking the truth and saying, hey, most people aren’t going to buy this. Okay. And he was talking in the general market.
SPEAKER 10 :
But really quick. On the same token, Andy, he knew all of that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
And yet the way he, quote unquote, sold himself or sold the gospel. was he went and ate with the sinners. Yes. He hung out with the tax collectors and the prostitutes. He didn’t hide away. And so on. And by the way, as he was doing that with them, he wasn’t judging them at the same time, condemning them at the same time. He, in a lot of ways, met them where they were, I guess you could say, talked on their level and convinced them that, hey, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, but at the same time, he never compromised.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no, not at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
He never compromised on anything he believed. He was shown the light.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, what did I just say? He told them, I am the way, the truth, and the life. The truth and the life.
SPEAKER 14 :
No one comes to the Father but through me. Correct. And getting back to the Colorado Republican Party, okay, what we have is we have an entire state that has gone Rome. And Rome fell, okay? We have been overrun by the invaders. We’ve been sacked, to use our earlier… Okay, I’ll buy that. Okay, so let’s say that you are one of these political predators, and you are on the right, okay? And you look at Colorado. You see tons of really desperate Republicans, right? And they’ve all been overrun, overrun, overrun, overrun, overrun, and… And by the way, there are a couple other major reasons that we really got clobbered. The number one reason was the blue waves of people coming in, the influx. The number two reason was honestly probably the personhood amendment. That was over a period of three or four, was it? I forget how many cycles. It was the number one recruiting tool for the left in Colorado. It was an absolute boom. And I, by the way, agree with the personhood amendment. OK, I’m just telling you, it was a recruiting boom for the left. And the other thing, of course, was Donald Trump. I love Donald Trump. He does not sell in Colorado. He does not. He has markets just like Obama. Obama had states where he sold great. But he didn’t sell in the Midwest. Remember that? He didn’t sell very well in the Midwest. And he actually hurt them up there and led to Trump. The different candidates sell better in different states. Trump is very unpopular in Colorado. So over a period of a few cycles with Trump as the face of the party, that really hurt, too. OK, was that the big cause? No. The big blue wave, the insert, you know. The surge of blue state voters. That was the big cause. Anyway, here we are. You are one of these political predators. And I’ll be very quick because I want to go to break. But you see a bunch of desperate Republicans. You tell them the problem is leadership. The problem is these leaders are compromising. And by the way, they are at times because they’re desperate. They’re in a blue state. They’re in blue districts. They’re trying somehow to reach voters who don’t want to vote for a hardliner like Ron Hanks. Right. And they say, they’re the cause of your losses. It’s because they won’t preach the truth. That’s why you’re losing. And you’ll have somebody like me or you come out and say, no, it’s because of a million blue state voters coming in that we’ve been overwhelmed. No, they’re rhinos. John and Andy are rhinos for saying that. Oh, a real Republican would win here. Really? Trump just lost by 11 and a half points. No, no, it doesn’t matter. That’s what they say. They lie to these people. They do. And I’m telling you what, desperate people will grab any line dropped down to them in the waves.
SPEAKER 10 :
Andy, I’ll go as far as to say that a lot of the individuals that you just mentioned, I will call them, since we’re doing a lot of church comparisons today, and a lot of these folks themselves attend church. They are the false teachers of the GOP.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, false prophets.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 14 :
What will you know them by? They’re fruit. Okay. Does a good tree produce bad fruit? No. Does a bad tree produce good fruit? Okay. Has Dave Williams and his cadre produced division or unity in the Republican Party in Colorado?
SPEAKER 10 :
And we’ll get into that the next hour because some would say he has, but I will counter that next hour. Oh, gosh. I will counter that point by point next hour.
SPEAKER 14 :
But anyway, yeah, these people, they come in and what they’ve done is they’ve been preying on desperate people.
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, so let’s get started. And there’s several candidates. I’m going to highlight a couple. I will just say it straight up, and nothing against anybody on a personal basis, but I want strong leaders. And I’ll just be straight up honest. I don’t see anybody right now that’s throwing their hat in the ring that I feel confident is a really strong leader that will take the call to GOP in the direction that it needs to head, have solid strategy, be able to attract that unaffiliated voter, and so on. I just don’t see that. Now, I’m going to start with Darcy just because this whole – conversation kind of started with her because when i started putting these notes together even prior to vacation some people hadn’t even thrown their hat in the ring so some others have been added to this list since but i wanted to start with darcy and again i have nothing personal against darcy she’s kind of been dave’s surrogate if you would this entire time i think dave has been grooming her quote unquote in a lot of ways to take over i think he’s taught her a lot of things internally about the chairmanship itself and i think he’s really been setting her up actually to become his successor. I’ll just say that straight out of the gate.
SPEAKER 14 :
Darcy looked upon Dave and, you know, I won’t go into private discussions I’ve had with Darcy, although I’ve had them. I’ll simply say this. She looked upon Dave as an almost messianic character.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So with that being said. It always bothers me when I see, as I said earlier, newcomers that come on the scene and start to do things. And when it comes to Darcy, you’ll notice there’s not a lot about her in Colorado until you get into probably 2018, 2019, 2020. She did a lot of things with the mom movement down south in regards to, you know— kids in schools and school boards and all sorts of stuff along those lines. At one point in time, I had interviewed her on Rush to Reason for some of those things. So I’ve had some individual conversations, not a lot because it pretty much was just an interview. She came, she went and that sort of a thing. And it was all around those things. And again, at that point in time, somebody wants to do an interview, they’ve got a cause, they’re talking about it, so on. I’ll talk to them. I have no problem with that whatsoever. Now, when you’re going to run for a heavy leadership position, in this case, the chair of the GOP in Colorado, yes, I’m going to look into you, your background, and so on a lot closer than I would if you’re just coming on for an interview. So I spent literally the last couple of weeks looking through who is Darcy. Where did she come from? What is she doing now? All of these different things. And I’ll just give you some of my own red flags. Number one, I don’t see she has a job. Now, I get it. There’s a lot of people out there that don’t need jobs because they’re independently wealthy and so on and so forth. But I can’t see from Darcy’s background. parents, et cetera, that she’s independently wealthy. Now, could be that she’s divorced, which I believe she is, and maybe there’s some alimony coming in and some things like that, and maybe that’s what she’s living off of. I really don’t know. Don’t really care. But to me, it’s always a red flag when you get an activist only that does not have any form of income. Now, to some of you, maybe that’s not a big deal. But it is to me, because here’s why. If all you’re here for is to be an activist, be a chair jockey, and move up into the chairmanship, which has a nice little purse at the end, that’s a red flag to me because you’re not working. You have no job. You have no income. So, of course, being GOP chair would be a big win for you. 200 grand. 200 grand. So it’s a big win. And so for those of you listening where I’m throwing these red flags out, yes, these are red flags to me. Again, I’m not being critical of anyone. I’m just simply getting you all to think through this process the same way that I am, because I did a lot of investigating to figure out where has she come from? What did she do? What’s her background? What qualifies her, by the way, to be a leader of the Colorado GOP? And I’ll just be really frank. There isn’t any. There’s none. She has been a political activist in Colorado. Can’t see she ever did anything politically outside of Colorado. And if somebody can find me some details as to what that is, please email or text me. I’d love to know because I can’t find any. All I’ve found is she came from back east. Went to Tennessee for a while. She’s been involved in some construction companies and a few things along those lines. Nothing that I can see qualifies her to be any kind of a leader of a large organization. She’s done the mom thing down south. She’s been the communication mouthpiece for Dave Williams. Keep in mind, communication mouthpiece only. She claims to have all sorts of fundraising skills and this, that, and the other. I’ll be straight up honest. I don’t see any of that in her background. No. And they’re huge red flags for me. And no, she would not make a good GOP chair. Sorry.
SPEAKER 14 :
Look, anybody in her position right now has contacts with the number of people who can provide some funds. So anybody in her position could claim to have connections and be able to fundraise.
SPEAKER 10 :
Andy, I could have that claim.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know that. And so, look, here’s my biggest concern about Darcy. First of all, I echo everything you just said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Did I miss anything there?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I don’t know her personal life. I don’t know her source of income, so I wouldn’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, but stop there for just one minute. I don’t know anything about that background. Does that bother you? I mean, it bothers me.
SPEAKER 14 :
It would bother me more if I knew she didn’t have any source of income and that she was skating on the party or whatever. I don’t know that, so I’m not going to. I will say this. Do I have the concern that you have? Yes. Um, do I feel, do I know? No, because honestly, John, she’s not an open book.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t Darcy. We don’t know much about her. We know that she puts a lot of pictures of herself online in model esque ways because she’s, you know, and I, you know, attractive and this is, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. Go ahead. Live your life. Um, But here’s my biggest problem. I always want to know, the moment you get some power, how do you use it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. What’s your motive?
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
What are you going to do?
SPEAKER 14 :
And, you know, we see this in business, too, okay? If you see somebody who, the moment they get power, they become a lead on a shift, and you see them suddenly playing favorites and abusing and so forth, you don’t want them to move up, correct?
SPEAKER 01 :
Correct. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
She became the head of one of the top Republican Facebook pages in the state.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Colorado Republican Meetup. What did she do with that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Censored.
SPEAKER 14 :
She censored wildly. And I mean, now you would say, okay, did she censor based on the platform, you know, if people were rude, if they were threatening, if they were this or that? No. And she admitted to me. And I’m paraphrasing here. It was a long discussion. But that she was censoring based on protecting the state party leadership from criticism. So to which that has two red flags. First of all, you are silencing people like me at times, but many others. And they do it like this. It’s very wise. What they do is when somebody has a stupid criticism, you know, people who are just I don’t know, the drunk at the end of the bar kind of thing, you know, complaining about Dave Williams. Oh, they’ll put that on there because it looks stupid and it’s easy to shout down. If somebody has intelligent criticisms of the leadership of the party, you know, or when I was coming out and saying, why did Hope run? Why did our vice chair run a Democrat ad, you know, promote a Democrat ad against a Republican candidate and then go through the denial and all this? she banned all that and it tells me one other thing first of all she abuses the power the moment she has it with bias right secondly it tells me she can’t debate no okay look if you disagree with the points we’re raising debate them if you disagree with the points we’re raising we’re not going to be mean go ahead and take them on and say okay this is why i disagree here’s my counterpoints and one thing i’ve noticed about darcy she can’t offer any And in fact, one thing I’ve noticed about all of Darcy’s supporters, they can’t offer any.
SPEAKER 10 :
They can’t offer any, Andy. No, there isn’t any.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. That’s right. What you’ve got are a lot of gullible people who can’t defend themselves, can’t defend their position. But they’ve taken up all these voting positions around the state, and they run the SCC.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
The State Central Committee.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Our state party right now is in the hands of a Davidian cult, okay, of people. And people say, oh, Davidian, you’re calling. How dare you? Look.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’re Looney Tunes.
SPEAKER 14 :
When you blindly follow someone who you can’t defend, who people bring reasonable concerns about, and you can’t defend against any of them, what is that, John?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s blind follow. It’s a cult.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And that’s what’s running our party right now. The problem is, and so we get excited that Dave is stepping down. I got news for you. The problem is not Dave. The problem is the group.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I won’t disagree with that.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re going to replace Dave with another Dave.
SPEAKER 10 :
And Darcy, by the way, is one of those. Even though she will post some things and make it look like she’s the alternative to Dave and a better choice than Dave and a kinder, softer, gentler Dave, trust me, she is not.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, I believe she’s doing this because of the next person we’ll discuss, and that’s Laurie Sainz.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so really quick. My concerns with, in this case, Darcy. Newcomer to Colorado. I would call her, what Andy said earlier, a political predator. She looked at Colorado as some sort of an activism openness to where she could come here and do some things that she hadn’t been able to do previously. And if I’m wrong in that and there’s another reason why she showed up here, I’d sure like to know because there isn’t a single thing that I can find in any pieces on the Internet, bios, Facebook, nothing along those lines whatsoever. So if somebody has better information on that and wants to make that public, please let me know. The other problem I have with a lot of these individuals we’re going to talk about, Darcy being one, None of them ever come on this show. Now, you guys all know me. I don’t reach out to anybody. Nobody. If somebody wants to come on this show, they’ve reached out to me, and even some of the regular guests that we have from time to time, they have reached out to me over the years, and I’ve just kept them coming on. But I don’t reach out to anybody. I don’t call anybody on the phone and say, hey, you want to come on my show? I don’t do that. I haven’t done it in 10 years plus. I’m not going to do it now. So another red flag to me is… They won’t come here. They won’t come have a conversation. They’ll go on some of the other local talk shows where there’s knuckleheads running the shows that couldn’t debate their way out of a wet paper bag.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they’ll go on with Chuck and Julie.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’ll go on with the crazies. Well, and the other thing about Darcy, speaking of Chuck and Julie, is she has been on that particular podcast and has said openly that, yeah, we’ve worked together for quite some time. Yeah, Rhino Watch is what that’s called.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Rhino Watch works together with the state party. They are the voice of the state. They’re the militant online arm of the state party.
SPEAKER 10 :
When Darcy said that for me, I’m like, you’re done.
SPEAKER 14 :
She basically admits it publicly.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, she was done for me prior to that, but that just solidified it to me on the you’re done part. You’re done. If you go on there and say that in that way, and Darcy, if you’re listening, I hope you are. Yeah, you’re done. You’re dead to me. You’re done. I look at you the same way I do Dave. Leave. Go back to wherever you came from. Pack up your little chariot, whatever you’re doing, and ride on out of here. In fact, you can take Dave with you. Let me say this about Darcy.
SPEAKER 14 :
I personally have nothing personal against Darcy. I find her personable. She seems very nice in a lot of ways. Also, I believe at a time when people like Dave weren’t doing anything personally, For the candidates at all, Darcy was actually working very hard during the elections and actually running her tail off trying to get volunteer support in various areas. Darcy actually worked, whereas Dave didn’t do a thing from what I could see, but divide. So I just want to give some positives here. I’ve never had anything personal against Darcy. She seems nice enough. My concern is this. She was there and supported everything Dave did. Sorry.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I just said it, and I’ll say it again. Anybody that’s a friend of Chuck and Julie that’s in the Rhino Watch thing, you’re dead to me. You’re done. That alone for me is you’re done.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’re talking about a website that the state party set up for the specific purpose of attacking and dividing Republicans. And you go on and interview with them and say you’ve worked with them for all this time?
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
All right, I got a text message in, and thank you for this, because I did forget that I can’t tell if Darcy worked at a pizza shop or actually owned a pizza shop down in the Castle Rock area that I believe during COVID closed up. And you guys have all heard my rants on restaurants closing and so on and how most owners could have kept that from happening had they been closed. very creative in what they did with their business and so on, which if in fact that’s true and she did own one and it closed during COVID, all the more reason why she should not be GOP chair.
SPEAKER 14 :
Why would it close in Douglas? They stayed open.
SPEAKER 10 :
Anyways. Okay, we got more to come. Don’t go anywhere. Two more hours. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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