John Rush is back from vacation and ready to tackle major news in the world of food manufacturing. With guests Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House, the panel discusses how PepsiCo and other major brands are responding to health concerns by removing synthetic food dyes. They touch on the psychological implications and the potential for reshaping dietary habits across the nation. Join the discussion on the significant shift towards natural ingredients and its potential long-term benefits for generations to come.
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All right. Happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Back from vacation. Appreciate Andy and a lot of others filling in for me while I was gone. Dr. Scott and others, I appreciate it very much. But we’ve got Dr. Kelly Victory with us today as well as Steve House. Dr. Kelly, how are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m doing great. I hope you had a good vacation. Happy to be back together. I certainly am feeling very good about the celebration of the first 100 days of this administration. And I hope you are, too.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, it’s always good to get away. Always good to come back. And, you know, I don’t keep up on the news as much as I probably should while I’m gone. But there’s probably a reason for that kind of gets my sanity back. But, yes, I agree with you fully. Steve, welcome as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, I’m not so sure I believe that statement that it’s always good to be back, John. I mean, you were in Hawaii, for God’s sake. I mean, who’s happy to be back from there?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that’s a place I could live pretty easily. Other than their politics and the way they handle things stinks. I don’t know if I could do that part of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s true. There has been that. You know, Mazie Hirono is still out there. Maybe you could go and run against him.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, there you go. There you go. Although, you know, not to get off track, but in some of this, we’ll come back to probably some political things here locally as well. But, you know, Steve, on the same token, Dr. Kelly, you know this as well. Colorado’s not far behind.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, no question. Colorado has lost its way. It’s gone the way of California and Hawaii. It used to be, when I first moved there, really a ranching agricultural state. Now it’s been taken over by the progressive liberals that run places like Denver, and it’s almost unrecognizable.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you are 100% correct. All right, moving on to some things that are newsworthy, and we’ll get into the first 100 days and kind of get some recap of some of that as well. But before we do that, I was reading. We didn’t send this back and forth to each other, and I was going to, and I figured, well, I’ll just bring it up, and we’ll talk about it. PepsiCo, which for all of you that listen, maybe you don’t know, but PepsiCo isn’t just – Pepsi, there’s a lot of other things that they make and own as well, like Lays and Tostitos and so on. And Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you. They have already agreed to start removing some artificial ingredients in a lot of their popular food items by the end of this year.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is great news. And kudos to Bobby Kennedy Jr. for driving this initiative. I think companies like PepsiCo, Frito-Lay, those companies are going to have to fall into line if they want to maintain any market share. Certainly, they will not be allowed to participate in federally funded school lunch programs, for example, if they don’t. And I think they know it’s a very unpopular position to be continuing to add foods that have been identified as potentially poisonous to foods that are being consumed by any American and certainly by our children. So this includes not only artificial dyes, the vast majority of which are petroleum based. Just think about that. Right. petroleum on a regular basis when you’re eating your Skittles or your M&Ms or your Doritos or whatever else it is. There is nothing in nature, by the way, that is that color orange of a Dorito. So when you’re eating a Cheeto or a Dorito, just be aware that there’s nothing that occurs in nature that is that color. So I think this is great news.
SPEAKER 13 :
Steve, and on the marketing end of things, and I agree with Dr. Kelly, I mean, yes, I’ll give them a hand. On the same token, I believe this is really, you know, this is the opposite of Bud Light marketing, Steve. This is what you should be doing as a company and be ahead of all of your competitors and be able to, you know, leverage off of that. They can now start talking about, yeah, we were one of the first to do these things, and that’s a huge marketing ploy on their part.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. By the way, Kelly, I think there are things in nature that are that color orange, but they’ve had to go through significant decay and decomposition to get to that color. True. But here’s the thing. I’m serious. First of all, if you think about all those things where a McDonald’s hamburger on a shelf for nine years doesn’t mold, what do you take out? What’s left in Pepsi? What’s left in some of these products, number one? And number two, the bigger concern I have, And we were talking a little bit about mental health and, you know, post-COVID stuff. Did you take out not just dyes, but you take out some of the other stuff that’s in these processed foods? Are we going to see people who get depressed because they’re not getting satisfied by the foods or anything? They don’t like the taste. They’re having to move to things they don’t really like. I mean, eventually your taste buds will adjust. But, I mean, there could be a crisis of, you know, people just being addicted to processed foods and then dragging them out of that.
SPEAKER 13 :
So I want to read this really quick to Dr. Kelly, because you can probably talk more about this intelligently and from the scientific end of things than I can. So they are initiating the process to revoke authorization for two synthetic food coloring, citrus red number two, orange B, within the coming months and working with the industry to eliminate six remaining synthetic dyes. FD&C green number three, FD&C red number 40, FD&C yellow number five, FD&C yellow number six. FD&C Blue No. 1 and FD&C Blue No. 2, and they want to eliminate those from the food supply by the end of next year.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And as I said, I think that that’s a great place to start. As Steve said, the list is quite extensive and one wonders what will be left after you’ve removed it all. That said, we have got to get back to eating far less processed foods. And what that means, unfortunately, is that the shelf life will be less. You have right now a product that we consider to be, you know, pastries, whether it’s a Pop-Tart or a Twinkie that has a shelf life of like four years. And in order to do that, you have to add a tremendous number of artificial ingredients, preservatives and other items that allow it to be shelf stable. The types of fats, for example, that are being used are in order to make it not only less expensively, but to increase the longevity of these items. we are going to have to change the way we live. When Bird’s Eye first started back in the 1940s with frozen foods, it was a convenience issue for women who were going back into the workforce or going into the workforce for the first time following the war. So frozen foods were a relatively brand new thing there. The idea of having a frozen entree or a frozen vegetable or a frozen side dish that you could easily and conveniently take out and get on the table to feed your family after you worked. Now it has become that the vast majority of Americans eat nothing but that. They don’t ever make a homemade vegetable or a homemade whatever entree. They’re always buying these hyper-processed foods. So it is going to change the way that we live, I think, for the better if people spend more time coming home and preparing a meal and cooking together and doing that. And we have to go to the grocery store a little more often because things don’t last in the pantry for six or eight months or longer.
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Or longer, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, but I honestly believe that it’s going to be in the best interest of all Americans and certainly the health and welfare of our children.
SPEAKER 13 :
Steve, your thoughts on all of that, and I agree with you, and I appreciate what you said initially because I’ve had some of the same questions in my mind. It’s like, okay, when a society is, for a lot of, let’s say it how it is, addicted to certain things, and in the case of a lot of what PepsiCo and others put out, there is an addictiveness going on. When they make these changes, how will that affect society in America?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. I mean, people could end up with headaches and depression and all kinds of good things. It’s still got to be done though. I mean, I find it interesting. First of all, the shelf life of a Pop-Tart when I was growing up with five brothers and sisters was measured in seconds, not in months and years because everybody loved the taste of them. But in reality, you know, I was just going through, and this may be a name you’ve heard, V Shred, which is a guy that, you know, is on a lot of commercials, right? And looking at his diet, Dr. Drew, I think went through this process and When you really look at the carb cycling diet, not doing keto, but this is more like what you should eat every day, how you get your sugars, your carbs, and how you get your proteins, you need more carbs than you think. When you look at that and you go, you know what, if we’re going to convert away from processed foods, We’ve got to be able to go to something like that because I actually enjoy the diet. I enjoy eating what they have on the schedule, and it makes sense. But it’s going to be painful for a while because there’s a lot of people who eat a lot of Doritos and chips and candies. And I ran into a guy the other day in the dentist’s office who was 93 years old where his dentist said to him, you have two really bad teeth. And he said, I’m afraid you’re going to have to give up M&M’s. And this guy literally went to the dentist and said, Doc, when M&Ms came out, the very first bags that hit the stores, that’s when I started. Wow. Do you want me to give it up? I’m like, well, at 90-something, you might not. But, I mean, the reality of it is that there’s some people who have been living on this stuff for a long, long time. It’s not going to be simple.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, and you brought up something earlier, and again, Dr. Kelly, I don’t know if anybody knows the exact answers as to how society is going to react, I guess is the way to say this. I don’t think it’ll be, you know, response is positive, react is a negative. I don’t know how they’re going to react, but I’ve got to agree with Steve. I think there’s going to be some folks that are frankly going to be at their wits’ end when some of this stuff gets taken away.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there’s no question. We are going to have to retrain our taste buds. So as I was intimating, not only are you going to have to change your lifestyle in terms of the frequency with which you go to the grocery store, how much time you spend in meal prep, but it is going to be a retraining period for your taste buds. It’s remarkable to me how many people do not even appreciate the natural sweetness, for example, of a strawberry or of a piece of fruit because we are so used to decoying sweetness of things that have added sugar. I remember once giving one of my nieces regular natural peanut butter, meaning ground peanuts and salt. That’s all it was, ground peanuts. And they didn’t like the taste of it because it doesn’t taste like Skippy or Jif because all those peanut butters have gobs of corn syrup in it. They have all this added sugar. So people don’t appreciate the actual taste of the native food by itself without the adulterous. So, yes, it’s going to take a while. It’s going to be a retraining. And for all I know, we may still allow some of these products to be available, but people may have to pay a heck of a lot more to buy them.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, or what if, Dr. Kelly, really quick, Dr. Kelly and Steve, I want you to chime in on this as well, especially when it comes to the kids. And a lot of what you just mentioned, by the way, I think we’ve got generations, plural, of course, multiple generations that are hooked on this stuff. But you start looking at the younger generations. We’ve talked about childhood obesity on this program and this hour. in the past and i gotta believe this will have a positive effect once you can get some of these kids to actually switch my point dr kelly is i don’t want to be some of these parents that are then going to have to go through some of this because the reality is there’s going to be a lot of unhappy kids
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree, but it’s one of those, you know, it’s not like we’re feeding them castor oil or cod liver oil.
SPEAKER 13 :
But Dr. Kelly, some of these kids have never tasted actual, and sorry for saying it this way, some of these kids have never tasted actual food.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I agree with you. And it’s interesting because I honestly, on a regular basis, when I was practicing full-time in the emergency department, not a week would go by that a mother wouldn’t come in with a child with a bottle with a nipple on it filled with Coca-Cola or Pepsi. And I would say, what in the world is in that bottle? This child is trying to develop his first teeth. And they’d say, well, he won’t drink milk or he won’t drink water. He’ll only drink Coke. And I’d say, give that child to me for a week.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Trust me, that child will drink water. Great point. Let me tell you something. If you don’t put the Coca-Cola in the bottle and you put water in the bottle, trust me, that child will drink water in less than 24 hours. It will be a remarkable conversion.
SPEAKER 13 :
Amen. Steve, your comments on all that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know, my question was going to be kind of a direct question to Kelly, which is, has there ever been a study – That shows, and I’ll use pizza as an example. I rarely ever get pizza. But when I do eat pizza, I get excited about eating it. I’m anticipating it. I eat it. I feel good when I’m eating it. Is there a dopamine effect? Is there some physiological effect you get?
SPEAKER 03 :
of certain kinds of foods that aren’t good for you because of your anticipation for the taste and you’re used to eating it you know even if it’s a little bit rare maybe some eat every day i’m not sure oh there’s no question there’s a there’s a dopamine effect and there’s a you know there’s that feel good runner’s high feeling that people get uh in some with some foods it’s very actually healthy uh dark chocolate for example has that effect has actually an endorphin type effect But there’s no question that there is overlap, Steve, in terms of the pleasure receptors in the brain, things that drive desire, drive cravings, that there’s an overlap between things, you know, between drugs, alcohol, sex, things that there is an overlap there. And people do. There’s no question that people do. feel good and that some people in particular crave for example sugar because they get that pleasure sensation from eating sugar even when they they are eating beyond when they are hungry the kind of thing where you eat so much that you feel sick because you ate so much sugar but it it triggers that sort of feel-good part of your brain. There are people doing studies on using low-dose naltrexone, a drug that’s been used to help people with opiate addiction, to help people get off both sugar and off of alcohol because it blocks that pleasure receptor and makes it so that you just don’t really get the high when you eat the sugar, and therefore you say, well, it’s not worth it. If I’m not getting the buzz, then I won’t bother eating the M&M’s.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly, victory. Steve House with us as well today. Okay, let’s move into, because I think we’ve got enough time to do this, might even throw something else in here. But I wanted to make sure we had time to cover this. And Steve, you had sent out something I’ve not had a chance to read and or listen to this particular book, but I will. And so I’ll start with you. You sent out something to Dr. Kelly and I about the indoctrinated brain. Talk about that particular book.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s written by a doctor, and, you know, it kind of goes over, you know, I haven’t finished it entirely. Kelly, I know you have read it, but here’s the concern that you run into with this, and that is, you know, COVID was kind of a pre-designed, planned invasion of our minds and, you know, our lives. You know, I mean, you know, they knew that a pandemic itself, I mean, they’re still talking about another pandemic. I guess there’s a lot of words about bird flu now, but essentially what happens, John, is that When you make people afraid, afraid of something, right? I mean, we couldn’t see COVID. We could see the effects of it. When you make people afraid of it, you know, there’s a saying they have in there that says something like, you know, if you’re weak, you seek the we, right? You know, a weak, you know, you is going to seek the we, the strong we, right? So I’m going to find myself two groups. that believe in something that I can attach myself, which quite frankly was probably, you know, vaccinated people. I mean, some of the things that people did and said about vaccinated and unvaccinated is so far out of the normal character that you know that it was a psychosis that was being created by what they were doing. And quite frankly, there’s an intention, I believe, on the Great Reset to take it all the way to 2030. and keep pushing people on this issue of fear and the government’s the savior and all this other stuff, and people are really adapting to it because they’re doing things they shouldn’t do. For example, and then I’ll let Kelly comment on this, for me, I think there’s an irrational fear of the IRS. We live in a country where taxation without representation is the reason why we were founded. You know, people are scared to death of the IRS, right? They’re watching what’s happening with Doge and all this money and then the audits and the DOD, and they’re still paying their taxes. And I’m not advocating, you know, that you do anything that you don’t want to do, but why do we have so much fear about so many things surrounding the government? And that’s by design, in my belief. And this book, from what I’ve done so far, indicates to me that there’s a lot of depth to the idea that COVID was designed, built, and implemented just to create this mental fear challenge in people across the globe so that we could be manipulated.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dr. Kelly, your thoughts, and we’ve talked a little bit about some of this all the way through, you know, clear back to where you started with us in 2020. We’ve kind of brushed across this numerous times, but I was not aware of this book until Steve sent it to me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and there’s a lot of overlap between the premise of this book, The Indoctrinated Mind, and Matthias Desmet’s concept of mass formation psychosis and an area of expertise of mine, which is mob mentality. There’s a lot of overlap. What you’re talking about is taking people who, in and of themselves, by themselves, left to their own devices, would not have the backbone or the wherewithal or the courage to stand up and fight, but together in a group when they have identified or have been led by the government, for example, to identify individuals a common foe. Back in Nazi Germany, it was the Jews. During COVID, it was the unvaccinated or the people who didn’t wear masks. When they get people to rally around the idea of a common foe, you get people to all of a sudden develop great courage when they are in the mob, when they are part of the masses, when they feel that they are part of the majority, when they are the moral right. And they do things, say things and act in ways in which they would never otherwise do. And it’s very scary because there’s nothing more dangerous, frankly, than the mob. Honestly, really nothing. And what we saw during, although Matthias Desmet renamed it, you know, mass formation psychosis. and this book by Dr. Niels lays it out as the indoctrinated mind, what you are talking about is getting people to act sometimes very immorally, very unethically, because they feel empowered by the idea that they have others behind them. And you watch it. Look at what happened with the Antifa riots. Those people are literally faceless. They covered their faces with masks, yet they will do things that are absolutely abhorrent as a mob, and they feel that they are somehow justified in doing it because they have identified a common foe, and they are fighting together. And in general, these people left to their own are weak, gutless wonders in general.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so question. Steve, I’ll go ahead. I’ve got a question for you, but go ahead, Steve.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not only is that accurate in what Kelly’s saying, I think the issue is where’s the tipping point? Because if you’re trying to force people into these 15-minute cities and all the other stuff that we’ve seen in this Great Reset, at what point do you have enough people that if you’re in the minority and unvaccinated are clearly in the minority right now, at what point is the tipping point such that you have a hard time surviving it not being part of the mob? Great point.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, it’s a very good point. And I think that, frankly, it’s why that, you know, to a person, the people who did stand up, the unvaccinated, those of us who didn’t do it are really pretty strong people where people are very much our convictions and saying, I will die on this bill. You know, I will not. I will not fall prey to this. They’re people who are critical thinkers and are able to stand up. They’re people who do not give in to mob mentality. They don’t give in to social pressures. They are not the people who have ever been pushed around or bullied. And frankly, although we are a minority, I think it’s a very strong, it’s the group of people who are really strong and able to ascend to leadership roles. So it becomes difficult. But I think at this point, we are far enough out with regard to that vaccine issue with COVID that I don’t see the people who, you know, if you made it this long without getting vaccinated, I don’t see anybody folded at this point.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right, I’m going to go back to my question to Steve that really dovetails into, Dr. Kelly, a lot of what you just said a moment ago so you can follow up with Steve. And that question that I have is, okay, then given the indoctrinated brain and so on, how then are there certain individuals like the three of us, I’ll even throw Charlie into this, so the four of us, How are there individuals like us that really, I’ll be honest, Steve, for my entire life, I always looked at groupthink and even some mob-type mentality and always questioned, okay, wait a minute, yeah, I get it, everybody’s going that direction, but is that really… the right direction. I guess I’ve always been one of those individuals, even from a young boy, where I would look at certain things and say, is that really the right thing to be doing and the right way to go? Now, the question I’ve got, is that nature? Is that nurture? Is that the family I was raised in? You know, was that because of my dad and even a church upbringing and so on? I mean, where does that come from? Or is that just something that’s intrinsic in certain people?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it’s a bit of all of it, John. Let me just give you a couple quick examples. I mean, you know, there have been experiments, right? MKUltra is out there publicly now and what it was. I mean, they did the coffee cup experiment where they exposed 50 people to a subliminal message. 40 of them brought the same coffee cup in next week. The next day, having never heard it in an audible tone and 10 did not. You know, what was it about those 10? Well, the difference is you are a critical thinker. Most people are critical thinkers. But part of what, you know, the doctor talks about in this book is that when you use fear and I mean, you really make people afraid for some, they’ll lose their critical thinking skills. They’re too weak, as Kelly said, and they want to run to the mob, and they want to be part of it because they don’t want to think their way through. They don’t want to think about the risk. What if I don’t file a tax return? What if I don’t follow the government? What if I don’t take a vaccine? So some of it’s probably just your genetic critical thinking skill set. The other is how you were brought up. I mean, people might have encouraged you to take risks, but we’ve gotten to the point where you can’t take risks. I mean, people aren’t taking risk without the repercussions for society and social media. Social media is a big factor, right? Because you take any risk at all, you put something out there and somebody starts to tell you that you’re an idiot, people get fear that they’re going to be looked at a certain way and they lose those critical thinking skills. And we’ve lost a lot of it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dr. Kelly, again, I’ve always wondered that same thing. I like Steve’s explanation. And it’s always that question even when it comes to leaders. Are leaders born or are they made or is it a combination of the two?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it’s a combination of the two. There’s no question you can train leadership skills. Some people are natural born leaders. They just ascend to that. They have a, you know, a personality type that just allows them to they’re confident uh it may be you know partly by how they were brought up but some people are clearly uh born leaders other people you can train you know i teach a course on leadership in times of crisis you can train leadership skills you can train people to have self-awareness you can train people to be better communicators so some of it is absolutely trainable so i think it’s i think there’s a combination things. There’s no question in my mind that Steve’s correct. We have lost so much of our critical thinking skills. I credit, unfortunately, social media and the spoon-feeding that has happened to us over these last decades as part of that. Everything is easy. It’s a click of a mouse, and it’s just spoon-fed to you. Back in the days when I had to go get the encyclopedia off the shelf, look it up, If I asked my parents a question, my dad would say, well, go get the dictionary or go get the encyclopedia and look it up.
SPEAKER 13 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
When’s the last time? I bet you I’m gathering anybody under the age of 20 doesn’t know what an encyclopedia is.
SPEAKER 13 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let alone ever. No, it’s called Mr. Google. Yeah. Correct. And so you don’t develop critical thinking skills if you don’t ever have to look for the answer, if it is automatically handed to you. And when I say look for it, you need to know what to search. You need to know. To look up something in an encyclopedia, you’ve got to be able to spell. Right. Good point. Good point.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, really quick back then, Dr. Kelly, you needed to know even which volume to go to to begin with to even find where the other volume you needed was at. So, in other words, to your point, you had to know some basic lookup skills. And the Internet, I know, has solved a lot of that for us, but it’s made us lazy as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I don’t think it’s soldier. I think it is. It is eradicated critical thinking skills. It is stultified certain areas of people’s brains. Your average kid can’t spell, can’t punctuate, uses horrible grammar. They don’t know any of these things. They cannot do basic math because they have a calculator and are allowed to use it. They don’t know how to look anything up. I appreciated what I learned. You don’t understand how important the skills were of going to a library, going to the card catalog and using the Dewey Decimal System and having to go and find a book on a shelf based on those numbers. That is a training of a part of your brain that is now entirely lost. And you can’t replicate it by, you know, a video game.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point. Steve, I remember, you know, going back to my automotive side, a lot of what Kelly just said a moment ago I can relate to back to when you used to have to look up things for cars originally in books, and then it went to the microfiche. system, which, by the way, most kids today would not have the first clue as to how to use microfiche and how all that worked. And I will tell you, you know, early on being very young and learning some of that was extremely frustrating. But to your point, Steve and Kelly, you learned that, which made you a better person when it was all said and done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no doubt about it. I think it also started, it started back when everybody got a trophy, right? So it was one of those areas where the theory was everybody wins today. Well, actually nobody won that day. Right. Nobody had to work harder because you knew, and that’s the mob mentality too. It’s like, okay, so if you do have somebody break out and actually win, you know, clearly win, then they get ostracized on social media. And, you know, if the issue with, you know, transgendered women playing women’s sports, Everybody wants to go, look, you’ve got to be fair. You can’t upset people. You’ve got to do this. It’s like, you know what? Fair and ethical and moral are very clear concepts. And you try to distort them because you don’t want the mob to go against you. And it’s really, really bad. And I think that this book and the one Kelly was referring to as well, they’re really illustrating where we’re going. And I do think that we are nowhere near done with this because we’ve lost so much of the critical thinking.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House. Okay, so Dr. Kelly, I want to jump to you again, going back to this, the indoctrinated brain. And again, we’ve got a lot of folks out there listening that have kids. They’ve got grandkids. They know of other families maybe that might even have some influence on kids. How would you, Dr. Kelly, not only we were talking earlier about taking dyes out and how that’s going to affect young kids and so on, now we’re talking about how do we teach kids to be critical thinkers and so on. And let’s face it, the school system, the general public school system is not going to help us in those areas. So what would you do to help kids learn, A, not only how to eat right, but also how to think right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Honestly, I think you need to start, number one, backing them away from the social media, the iPad, the phone, the computer and the television. We need to go back to kids being creative. You know, honestly, coloring books. Little kids don’t need an iPad on an airplane. They need a coloring book and crayons. OK, they need to learn. Creativity is fostered. It’s something that will die out if you don’t use it. It’s like any other muscle. Kids need to go back to playing with kids. Toys that don’t require batteries. My father used to say that we weren’t allowed to have toys that had batteries. He said, children are batteries. You are a battery. You are a little energy source. Now, kids don’t only have things with batteries. Every single thing is automated. It requires almost no sort of creativity, let alone critical thinking. So I think it’s going back to playing things like board games. Get out the board games after dinner. Get out a Scrabble board. Get out a Monopoly game. You know, teach kids about, you know, how to count out the denominations of dollars. You know, a six-year-old can learn. They can do that quite easily.
SPEAKER 13 :
How to earn boardwalk.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 13 :
What is the strategy behind that, by the way? And all those things, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, all of those things. So it’s going back. I would encourage people to put down that stuff, play cards, whether it’s Go Fish or Little Kids. That’s how they learn things. Good point. It’s so much easier, no question, to give your child an iPad, to plunk them in front of the television. and to give in to that because it’s what will make them happy in the immediate time. But you will get so much more out of it if you will sit down as a family with a board game, with a book, and do those sorts of things. Remember games like Twister? Remember those sorts of games where we actually were physical? Those are the kinds of things that actually teach kids critical thinking skills.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, Dr. Kelly, can’t disagree with you on anything you said. Steve, one of the things I loved as a kid was Lincoln logs and erector sets, because a lot of what Dr. Kelly just said, you had to figure a lot of that stuff out yourself and what you were going to build with the pieces you had in front of you, meaning you had to be critical thinking as to what you were going to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, quite frankly, in my growing up, you know, being around farms, I mean, we had to create things and invent things, right? I mean, sometimes if the, you know, the baler broke and you had to find a way to get it past that point to get the hay baled, you know, those are interesting things. We had erector sets too. There’s a stat out there, I think, that says today that you have your highest level of creativities when you’re about three years old, four years old, and you lose 88% of it by the time you’re 18. And that’s because of the way we teach school. Think about the Montessori concept, right? What did the Montessori folks do? They put you into school and said, go explore. Follow your pathway and what you want to explore. Experiment. And they learned that way. I mean, there’s all kinds of ways that we’ve killed the creativity, the innovation, the seeking of…
SPEAKER 13 :
new knowledge and ideas and and the system has made that made us do that and i think it’s part of us sort of america for sure no and and to dovetail into that dr kell you can chime in on this once you once i get steve’s answer because steve i think you’re going to agree with me i think killing small business and going all big business has happened even in the farm uh end of things you just mentioned a moment ago and what i mean by that and you you know firsthand steve when you are In a family business, typically, I know not always, but at least it was for me. When you grow up in a family business, to your point a moment ago of figuring things out and having to make things work at times, even financially speaking, you learn all sorts of things in a family business that, frankly, when you’re not in one, you don’t learn.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you’re absolutely right. I mean, think about some of the things that have happened even since COVID. I mean, I used to enjoy going to the tattered cover in Denver, grabbing a coffee. You know, you’d run into people, you’d sit and read and you’d talk. Now, you know, kids go to a Starbucks and they’re all on their phones and they’re texting each other from three feet away. You know, we don’t interact well with each other. We don’t really bond with each other. We don’t have group projects. It’s hard to do that when everything is remote. I mean, just it’s hurting us at work, at school and everywhere.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dr. Kelly, your thoughts, especially on what I said a moment ago about the whole small business end of things. And I just, as you know, I’ve got a heart for small business. I’ve been a small business owner since I was a very young man. And I guess even going further back, had a paper route when I was, you know, nine and ten. So I guess I even had one at that point in time. And the reality is we don’t, in fact, we discourage that anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, there’s no question. And the point is, though, you can reinitiate some of these things. Obviously, if somebody saying, well, yeah, but I don’t own a small business or I don’t live on a farm or I don’t know. So how am I going to do that? It’s small changes. You don’t have to go. OK, just make a commitment that you’re going to institute a few small changes. For example, it’s very easy to say we are no longer going to have our cell phones at the dinner table, people. You know, so you can have your cell phone before dinner. You can have it after dinner. But for the 45 minutes we are sitting here as a family eating dinner, there will be no cell phones. We are actually going to talk. When I was a child, I have six brothers and sisters. We obviously this is way before cell phones. But every single night we sat down at the dinner and we played what we called Rosebud Thorn. We had to go around the table and every single person, whether you were the six-year-old or my dad, you had to say, what happened that day that was a rose? What was a good thing that happened to you that was your rose? What was a bud? What was something that you were looking forward to happening in the next coming days? And what was your thorn for the day? What was the thing that was tough for you? And it might have been something simple like, you know, I had tough time with the test or that I fell on the way to whatever it was. But it forced you to stay in front of your siblings to articulate things about your day and to share with others. We have lost that. That ability. People don’t do it anymore. I got to hear as a young child about every day something about my dad’s day as a lawyer at work. I got to hear his rose, his bud, and his thorn every day. And same thing with my mom. She shared hers. And those… Small changes make a huge difference. And it’s not just in the lives of children. It’s in the lives of the adults as well who have lost the same critical thinking skills.
SPEAKER 13 :
Steve, I’ve said it on air many times. I get criticized at times for saying this, but I also feel like. We live in a generation where everybody is so worried about their kids doing things out on their own, even before they’re 16, 17 years of age where they can drive, that we’re keeping these kids so sheltered that, frankly, I think we live in one of the safest times ever. I mean, when I was a kid, there weren’t any electronic trackers. You didn’t have a cell phone. If you got into trouble, you had to find the local pay phone and figure out a way, and hopefully you had a dime or a quarter with you where you could actually make ends meet when it was all said and done. The reality, Steve, is… Our kids today have the ability to, quote, unquote, be more safe than ever, and yet we shelter them more today than we ever have.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, you would think that, I mean, I remember, you know, my own children and even my own upbringing. the fact that you didn’t have those safety nets, you were a little bit more cautious. I mean, we weren’t cautious when we were on a dirt road growing up in the middle of nowhere, but generally speaking, if you were in a city, you were a bit more cautious. But then again, you also didn’t have, you know, you didn’t have the same sex trafficking and all the other stuff that goes on. You didn’t have, people couldn’t lure you into bad situations quite as easily as you can today with all the things that go on. So yeah, it’s, And then again, if you were, you know, around in 1850, 1875, you know, people were still getting shot on the street every day. True. I don’t know if it’s any safer then or if it was any safer now than it was then.
SPEAKER 13 :
True.
SPEAKER 05 :
There’s a lot of different things that go into that.
SPEAKER 13 :
And again, Dr. Kelly, I am by no means telling people to just let their kids run around willy-nilly without any kind of, you know, you know, wherewithal in what they’re doing and where they’re at and so on. In fact, I think at times we rely so much on the electronic devices, to your point earlier, we kind of forget to be parents. And I mean that sincerely, and I travel quite often, and I see how parents interact with kids a lot and so on. So I think I can say firsthand that everything you said is pretty much spot on. And yet, yet, with all of that, we still shelter them to the point where they can’t think critically.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s no question. I’ve talked about this over and over again. In fact, I’m writing a book on the topic called Protected to Death. We are trying to de-risk all of life for our children. We don’t allow them to fail. We don’t allow them to suffer any negative emotion, rejection, failure, loss, defeat. Because, and Steve referenced it earlier, the idea of everybody gets a trophy is where it all started going off the rails. Because we led people to believe that you will never fail. You will never lose. You will never get rejected. You will never not make the team. You’ll never fail the test. And on and on and on. And that simply isn’t life. We have tried to de-risk life. Kids have got to fall off their bicycles. Training whales do not ever fail. you know, help in the long run. Kids have got to fall down. You’ve got to scrape your knees. You’ve got to, you know, ask a girl to the prom and get turned down. Right. You’ve got to. OK, really quick.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, I got to I got to stop you. I got to stop you just for one second, Dr. Kelly. And again, I’m not trying to be critical of anybody out there and how you run your family and so on. But we have gotten from we’ve gone from that, Dr. Kelly, to where you ask somebody. Because for the fear of being turned down, back to Steve’s point of everybody gets a trophy and everybody’s a winner, even those things have changed. Now it’s group dates. Nobody even asks one person. It’s 10 of them all going together because nobody can ask another person to go to prom.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Because otherwise you might get rejected. Everybody makes the team. Everybody passes the test. Everybody makes it onto the club. And nobody ever gets turned out. And as a result, we have now two or three generations. of kids who have no ability to handle negative emotion.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Right. You’re right. And, Steve, that is really, you know, that goes back to the whole indoctrinated brain making it, and by the way, I think a lot of this is totally by design. Everything that you and I and Dr. Kelly have been talking about today in regards to these things is all by design. Again, I’ll read the book and, you know, know exactly what’s in it and what it says. But at the end of the day, Steve, this really is by design.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is, and then there’s some natural phenomenon. I would highly recommend people read John Eldredge’s book, Wild at Heart, which talks about how a boy becomes a man. There’s a version for women as well. I tell people, I told my own son, your son’s going to have to build something, break something, burn something, probably kill a bug or step on an ant or a spider. Those are the kind of things you do to get your own courage up and become whatever. It’s not destructive in nature. It’s just that At some point, your son’s going to have to challenge you or your daughter’s going to have to challenge their mother. You know, they’re thinking and question whether they’re telling them the truth or the right thing. And, you know, I believe children should be obedient to their parents. But at some point when they get old enough, they have to challenge them. Otherwise, they’re not strong enough on their own. And we’ve lost that, too.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, we have. And again, by the way, Dr. Kelly, great book. I mean, I can’t wait till that comes out and read it. It’s a lot of the things that we keep talking about here on a weekly basis. And I talk a lot about it even when you’re not with us. So believe me, my heart is with you on that one, because that needs to get into the hands of parents sooner than later.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, and it’s something I’ve been thinking about for a long time because it’s really – it was born out of my work on active shooter scenes and understanding the dynamics of these sort of huge number of active shooter events that we had over the past couple of decades. But I think it’s really a toxic – It’s your perfect storm when you take a group of kids, a generation of kids who have not learned how to deal with negative emotion. You add to that training them to have require immediate response. They have no ability to delay gratification, which is what happens with social media and cell phones. They immediately. You know, text response immediately can call somebody or send out. And then you add in the third component, which is access to a firearm. And you are you have got the perfect storm. You have people who’s who have no ability, have no impulse control and no ability to delay gratification and no ability to handle negative emotion. And that is a really bad combo.
SPEAKER 13 :
Guys, that is it. The hour always rolls by extremely fast. I’ll start with you, Dr. Kelly. Thank you again. I missed our last two weeks not being together, but it’s always a joy, and I look forward to coming back and doing it again. And here we are, and we just keep at it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks for having me. We’ll look forward to next week.
SPEAKER 13 :
Look forward to it, Dr. Kelly. Thank you, Steve, as well. You’re the one that put all this together, and I appreciate you greatly, sir.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I was glad to learn today that Kelly’s dad called her the battery because if you’ve ever been to the gym with Kelly, you understand now that he got through to her. There you go.
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It’s time to leave your safe space.
SPEAKER 13 :
This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, that’s going to about do it for us for this first hour. We’ve got, of course, two more hours coming your way. And, yes, I’m back from vacation, live program today. And, again, I appreciate not only Andy but others that helped fill in, Dr. Scott also. And Andy and I will be back together, of course, tomorrow for movies. Again, really appreciate them filling in, giving me the time off, and I appreciate that greatly. And we’ve got a lot more to come, of course. I will give you a little update. We’ve got a special guest here at the top of the 4 o’clock hour, but then I’ll give you a few observations like I always do when I come back from vacation. Don’t have a lot from this one, but I’ve got a few things I’ll share with you. Well, we’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
