Join Andy Pate and Ashley Carter on a thrilling ride as they dissect the most pivotal events of 2025 on Rush to Reason. From engaging movie reviews to in-depth analysis of major political and cultural stories, this episode has it all. Discover the truth behind significant headlines and get insights into the year’s most talked-about events, including the contentious political landscape set against a backdrop of humor and candid discussions.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Russ yet again. And I’m joined by Ashley Carter. That’s right, Ashley Carter. And Ashley, this is last show of the year. It’s going to be a lot of fun. I look forward to this show so much. I’ve been looking forward to it for weeks because I, in the second hour, I get to do my best worst list for movies for the entire year of 2025.
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Being someone who saw all of three movies this year, I’m excited for this list.
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Here’s why it’s exciting. There are a lot of people who are saying, I actually don’t make it to the theater much, but I like to rent a lot. I like to stream a lot. Kick back on a weekend, watch a movie or two. Folks, all of this stuff from 2025 is coming or is already out there and streaming. This way, I can tell you, hey, here’s some of the gems that you didn’t see coming. Or here are some of the ones that the minds in the minefield you don’t want to step on because they’re going to bore you to tears for two and a half hours. I can warn you of those. And in the second hour, we’re going to have a lot of fun with that. We’re going to have best actress, best actor. There were some incredible performances. I am going to have fun. But in hour one. In hour one, we are going to, after the first break, be talking about the biggest stories of 2025. Some of them are still raging on today. Now, these stories are really important because they are coloring our future.
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Yeah.
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Okay. They’re having a big impact on our future. And if you want to call in, if you’re thinking, you know what, Andy, here’s what I think is the biggest story, and it could be local, it could be national, whatever you think, give us a call, 303-477-5600, and let us know. We’ll let you barge right in. I don’t mind. I can wait. We’ll set mine aside. If you want to come in and give us one of your biggest stories of the year, I am all for that. Now, before we do that, though, You’ve heard of Snopes, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, Snopes is this very left-wing, very, very left-wing fact-checking outfit. They’re very popular.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, great.
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Okay, so when everybody says, okay, I’m checking this internet rumor or that conspiracy theory against Snopes, understand it’s being checked against an incredible left-wing, incredibly left-wing company. Got it? Awesome. Although they do get a number of things right.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m sure you have to get things right to be at least somewhat credible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. If you get everything wrong after a while, people are going to say, OK, OK, you’re just MSNBC. This isn’t going to or what are they now? MSN now or whatever, whatever, whatever weirdness that they are. And I don’t care. OK, so they put out this story. Don’t believe the rumor that Tim Walz gave eight billion dollars to a Somali company to investigate fraud. Yeah, this story was put out by a satire.
SPEAKER 09 :
I can imagine so, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and what’s the satire site for the right? I keep forgetting. Babylon Bee. Babylon Bee, yeah. The Babylon Bee put out a story, and they were joking. They said, Walls announces $8 billion grant given to a Somali company to investigate fraud. Okay. And thank you, Snopes, for coming out and saying, no, this is not real.
SPEAKER 09 :
The ability for people to critically think about news stories now and look at sources is so incredibly insane right now. No one knows how to actually look at a source when they look at a story. They just believe it because it’s on the Internet.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I’ve decided that what the left can’t do anymore is laugh.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t think they’re capable. All right. I mean, the only way they can laugh is, I don’t know, at the pain of others, which I guess we can all do now and then. But, you know, because there are there are moments. Right. When you see one of those videos of a terrible person, he just robbed a store and drove his car off into a bridge or whatever. It is kind of, you know, when they do themselves. OK. What we’re going to do right now is listen to a little bit of a Brian Riley. Or is it Riley or Kylie? I forget. But anyway, he’s a stand-up comic. And I want you to listen to about a minute and a half and just have a little fun. Sound good?
SPEAKER 09 :
Sounds perfect.
SPEAKER 05 :
Here we go.
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Wait till she finds out.
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I met my wife on jury duty. Thanks to me, she was acquitted. Oh, you can’t trust DNA evidence. My wife is a psychology major in college, so she’s constantly psychoanalyzing me. When I wanted to fire the pool boy, she said, you feel threatened by young, virile males because you’re getting older and you’re coping with your own mortality. And my argument was, we don’t have a pool. What is Enrique doing here?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. That’s a little better. We can laugh. We can be unlike Snopes and actually enjoy laughs. Is that okay?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. That is absolutely hilarious.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. Along with Ashley Cart. That’s right. And Ashley, I’d like you to comment on these. By the way, that was Brian Kiley. Kiley. I was having a little problem with my computer. I couldn’t read it properly. Brian Kiley, who is a very funny comedian. I like him a lot.
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I’m going to have to go check the rest of the special out. That sounded like a good.
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Yeah, he’s a lot of fun. All right. I want to look at the biggest stories of 2025. Now, I believe that most of most of us, when we think, well, what’s the biggest story of 2025? Right away, we think the Charlie Kirk murder.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I would say that. Yeah.
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Okay, I’m going to say something that’s even bigger. And don’t get me wrong, the Charlie Kirk murder, I have number two. It’s enormous. It’s unbelievable what happened. It’s horrifying. But I believe for the first time in our lives, the complete and utter shutdown of the southern border was the biggest story of 2025. We have never seen anything like this, folks. I mean, we’ve had politician after politician, Republican and Democrat, say, no way, it can’t happen. It can’t be done. We’re doing the best we can. Donald Trump came in and said, no, you’re not. We’re going to do it. And by the way, he’s not just shutting it down. The wall is being built as we speak. Somewhere out there right now, you know, people are actually putting in more sections of wall. It’s going up. They’re going to make it more and more and more secure. It has now been seven months without a single illegal immigrant being released into the United States.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s really nice and really reassuring, actually.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is. It is. And it’s going to do a lot of good things, especially for young folks like you who want to buy a house. Because, yeah, well, when you have 15 million people that you just pile in, they’re going to be bidding on the same house as you are. And that drove up the price of housing at a time when it should have been going down.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and they get all the government assistance to buy the house, whereas I have to pay for it myself.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh my goodness, you actually pay for your house? You need to go to Minnesota. I’m sure that they can help you out. There will be fraud there to help you out.
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Unfortunately, I’m not Somali.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do you want to run a, well, yeah, but if, you know, you could claim to be, and you could say, I self-identify as a white Somali, and I want to run a daycare center. What do you say?
SPEAKER 09 :
You know what? I think that’s, I’ll do you one better. I’m a white Somali, they, them, trans activist who wants to run a daycare center.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh my gosh, I would send you money. I’m telling you what. But I believe that the number one story of 2025 was completely shutting down the border and ending illegal immigration once and for all. We have never seen anything like it.
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No.
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I have not seen a president so completely honor a promise. Ever.
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So completely and quickly honor the promise, too.
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It was amazing. OK, the number two story I’ve got is, of course, the Charlie Kirk murder and not just the murder, but the huge Republican split it exposed afterward.
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All right.
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You got Ben Shapiro against Candace and Tucker. And obviously, I’m on the Ben side. OK, I think Candace is a Looney Tunes. That’s my opinion. But what it really exposed was growing amongst young Republicans is an incredible hatred for Israel, which I had not seen before and which came out of nowhere. Honestly, I think they’re buying into a lot of spin. They’re listening to a lot of, shall we say, hoaxes and stories that don’t hold up when you have Ben Shapiro coming forth with the truth. I’m just going to say it. Yeah, am I biased? You got it. I’m biased. I’m biased by facts. What really came after the Charlie Kirk murder was a number of things that just shocked me. First of all, Erica. She’s put in charge of it. And yet you have all these people who are criticizing the way that she is mourning.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, we kind of talked about this.
SPEAKER 05 :
We did last week.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, last week.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And it’s been unbelievable to watch people actually criticizing how this woman mourns after her her husband was assassinated.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t understand why anyone thinks they have a moral high ground on how you’re supposed to react when your husband is brutally assassinated.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I don’t think anybody does. And then, of course, we had the nighttime talk shows trying to dance around it. Some of them didn’t dance enough, like Jimmy Kimmel, who actually said that MAGA did it. OK, he did. He said in not even in so many words, he said basically MAGA killed him. I mean, yeah, it was one of your own who did it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Didn’t he have his little like Christmas address where he’s like, oh, this was a great year for fascism. They were taking me off the air. You’re still on the air. Shut up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you’re still in the air, Weiner. Not for long because your ratings suck. But, hey, you’re still in the air. By the way, that’ll be a story for 26. At the end of this hour, we’re going to be talking about 2026. Still staying on 2025. The Charlie Kirk assassination, I think for political upheaval and shock to the nation, was the biggest since MLK and JFK. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
I would agree. I would say it’s also the biggest when it comes to what we saw with a religious renaissance, with the increase of church attendance, faith, first-time Bible readers, first-time churchgoers. It caused not only a political upheaval, but a religious upheaval as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. The only downside is, once again, in the aftermath, an intense split has been revealed. And it goes about 85-15 when they poll the TPUSA people. About 15% are anti-Israel. About 85% are pro. But it’s still a stark split. And this is something that Republicans are going to have to deal with going forward.
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re going to have to address it.
SPEAKER 05 :
We are going to have to address it. And by the way, God bless you, Ben Shapiro, because he’s speaking out on it and he’s doing it brilliantly and nobody wants to debate him. And that tells me a lot. OK, next story. And these aren’t totally in order. OK, but I’m going to have to say the L.A. fires. I mean, Los Angeles. burned to the ground. And not only was it the fire and the horror of it and what it did to so many people’s lives or loss of lives, it exposed massive mismanagement of water and other services by the woke left in Southern California. This was the woke left putting money everywhere where it’s not supposed to be, and then when the disaster happens, they fell apart, and they had no excuses. I’m telling you what, LA and the tragedy that happened, and also, by the way, the tragedy of rebuilding it, which isn’t happening, is all because of the woke left. I don’t think the woke left has been that exposed in a long time. Go.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t think so either, and I think it’s kind of started the overexposure and downfall of Gavin Newsom that I’ve been seeing on the internet. It seems like even people in California are tired of Newsom because he’s not handling the situation at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Well, it finished him off. The thing that really set him up to fall. I mean, the thing that knocked him basically out of the race going forward was his debate with DeSantis.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
He debated Ron DeSantis and DeSantis took him to the cleaners, took him to the woodshed. Use whatever analogy you want to use. It wasn’t pretty, folks. DeSantis ate him alive. I love basically everybody’s running from your state to mine. Your turn. What do you got?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not a single lie was told.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. What are you going to do with that? OK, so the L.A. fires was enormous and they are still rebuilding and actually not rebuilding. This is a growing story. And by the way, the Democrats might lose a seat or two in that area in the U.S. House as a result. Don’t be surprised. Next, tariffs and economic revival. This is huge. I mean, the tariffs went when when Liberation Day, when when Trump launched that, it was it upset the economic plane for the entire world. This is actually the biggest story worldwide that came out of America in 2025. This affected the entire world. Canada. is they’re the ones who are going to be hurt the most because they don’t want to deal with us. And they are working deals with anybody else. They’ve basically made it clear. Carney has made it clear. The relationship between our two countries is basically dead.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, is it bad of me to say, oh, well? No.
SPEAKER 05 :
They were robbing us blind with the tariffs that they were imposing going into that. That was the problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s my attitude with it is every other country is allowed to charge us with massive tariffs, but we’re not allowed to charge tariffs to other countries.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. And this is something that really made me angry, Ashley. There were so many people saying they were our number one ally. We had such a good, peaceful, happy trade relationship. Well, yeah, because they were they were charging all kinds of massive tariffs on us for where we couldn’t sell a number of goods in Canada. And we were charging virtually nothing on them. Yeah, that’s called one way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, of course. There are so many video games where it’s like there’s approval bars when you’re trading with merchants. And it’s like if you give them more money and more things and you take less from them, their approval rating of you goes way up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it goes way up. Of course. Yeah, you always hear about how all the other nations really miss Obama and hate Trump. No kidding. Gee, I wonder why. Yeah. And folks, this is what has really happened going forward, which is incredible. And we’ll be talking about this at the end of the hour. Trump has set up an economic turnaround unlike anything we’ve seen since Reagan. OK, look. i love free trade we didn’t have that before you don’t have free trade when another country is charging 50 percent for you to sell something there and you’re charging next to nothing for them to sell here that’s not free trade that’s robbing okay it doesn’t work you’re shutting down you got to open up markets for us to sell our products overseas now they’re opening up and they’re opening up in ways that we have not seen folks we have no idea what’s about to happen in 2026. america is sitting out there most americans are angry at trump about the economy, which is hilarious to me. They have no idea what’s coming. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m excited for what’s coming. Already we’re seeing the tariffs helping things. Trump has used the tariffs twice now this year to help with the government shutdown and give an extra stimulus to military members.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, it’s been great.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s awesome.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Okay, next. And we’ve got just a couple minutes here. The Israeli Gaza ceasefire. and seven other peace deals so basically eight peace deals all right some some smaller some bigger but donald trump has been the biggest agent for peace that honestly the world has seen in decades and yet the man will never be nominated for a peace prize no he won’t and he should what they accomplished i’m going to give some credit to bb netanyahu who i don’t always agree with by the way but his strategy of pound away on gaza was the right one His strategy of going at Iran was necessary, okay? And the people who said that Trump bombing Iran was going to put us into war were wrong. And by the way, I’m looking at you, Tucker. You were wrong. You were wrong. Not kind of wrong, not sort of wrong, 100,000% wrong. You were wrong, okay? And I think some of these people who are on the sidelines chipping in their opinions and are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. At some point, you just got to admit it and shut up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, if you’re right more often, okay. But how many times can you be wrong? And they were. Okay, next one. The Epstein Files release. That’s a big story. I don’t think it’s as big. Not that it is a horrible tragedy, by the way. But the simple fact is, the previous president had this for four years and didn’t release a single thing. Trump has released tons of it and gets no credit. And people, even on the right, are complaining what took you so long. It blows my mind.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, like, I’m one of the people on the right that’s on that side of, well, what took you so long? But I’m also one of the ones going, well, why didn’t the previous administration do it? And I also just, I don’t think it was as big as people thought it was going to be because the second they were released, everyone who was saying, release the files, release the files, went radio silent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they did. The reason I didn’t care about them being released was, and this gets into my past, I’ve actually tracked down at a couple different companies, I was the one who would track down thieves and criminals in our companies. And I knew that we had a bad chain of custody of the evidence. The problem is the evidence was in the hands of the Biden administration for four years. Okay, that is like having the mob OK, the mafia in charge of a crime scene for four years and hoping they didn’t plant evidence, hoping they didn’t remove any evidence. In other words, whatever is in the files, it’s not that I didn’t want them released. Of course I did. Problem is, I didn’t know that what was being released would be accurate or how much so and the amount of manpower that would be needed. to figure out with each and every person, okay, was this inserted? Was this taken out? Was this altered? Is massive. That was my concern. I just wanted Pam Bondi working on some other things that were bigger that you could go right after, like what’s happening in Minnesota.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I would agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, next. Pope Leo. We just got a new pope. That’s a very big story.
SPEAKER 09 :
An American pope, which is incredible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. But you know what? Here’s one more story that we got to do. And this is pop culture, but it’s a huge story. The Sidney Sweeney jeans ad. Oh, that blew up. That blew up. And it was a massive story. And I want to close with this because it wasn’t so much about the ad. It was about the woke left backlash to it because they said, you know, she has great genes. And it said nothing about race. Obviously, Sidney Sweeney is like every other supermodel. They all have great genes. She’s like every athlete. They have great genes. Every genius has great genes.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is purely because she is blonde-haired and blue-eyed. If they had had a black model in there and said, hey, she has great genes, they would have been like, oh, this is wonderful. This is amazing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
Black brilliance.
SPEAKER 05 :
And all of America was looking at the left. and saying exactly what you just said. There are some gorgeous black models, of course. We’ve known many of them. Tyra Banks, hello. Okay, if, you know, she’s retired now, but if she were in her prime and she did this ad, it would have been great, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
It would have been beloved.
SPEAKER 05 :
It would have been beloved. Oh, but it’s not okay because it was Sidney Sweeney, who, oh, by the way, apparently is a closet Republican.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, that was a big story. That was massive. Why? Not because of the ad, but because of what it exposed. The wacko left. OK, that’s my stories for 2025. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think they’re perfect.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLC 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Ashley Cart. That’s right. Ashley Carter in on the line right now. We got Sheriff Jason Mikesell. Jason, how are you today? I’m good, Andy. How are you? I’m doing well, and you are running to be governor of the state of Colorado. Have you been checked into an asylum, or are they going to let you go through with this?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think when I started out with this, the field wasn’t quite as full, and now I’m wondering about that asylum.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m going to be honest, very honest, Jason. I think the wider field favors you. And I think it favors anybody in what I call the third tier to surge. Because a lot of people right now, everybody’s always talking about, you know, the ones who start out at the top tier. And that would be marks and bottoms, right? The second tier. And I’m just going on name recognition, right? They’ve been around. They’ve served for a long time. Lopez, Baisley, Kirkmeyer. Then there’s that third tier. And everybody’s wondering, okay, who is going to surge in that tier and impress a lot of people? And your name has been coming up. So let me ask you this. What does Colorado look like under Polis? What would it look like under Jason Mikesell in the governor’s office?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, really, we look at it and go, we’ve had 10 years of failed policy. How so? There’s not one thing that Polis has pushed through. We’re dealing with harsh immigration issues against law enforcement, not against criminals. We’re dealing with a failed economy in this state, and it’s failing even worse. We’re one with a $1.2 million debt. Polis is going to leave behind a legacy of failure, and it doesn’t matter what he says. It’s been a failure, and it’s been a train wreck, and that train’s continuing. Here’s the thing about me running for governor. I ran for governor not because at first I wanted to be a governor, but the issue is until you decide to make a change— and you step forward to do it, you can’t complain anymore. And here’s the biggest problem in Colorado. Crime is at the top of the list of the United States in Colorado. We’re the third highest sexual assault on females in the United States. We treat victims as if they’re the criminals now. And I see this every day. So for me, looking at it, going, I’m tired of politicians that are failing in their offices. or have not been able to get anything done under the failed regime of the democratic rule for the last however many years that i’ve supported these republicans in the past that have not been able to get through a general election because they take a direction in that general election that they cannot win and that they are not a candidate that can win that general election whereas for me i’m one of those candidates that when i talk about law enforcement i’m doing it i’ve put together coalitions of sheriffs i’ve put together the immigration push to change Colorado. I was the first sheriff to actually get sued and fight the ACLU on all these immigration issues. The economy is a big one in this state under Polis. We have over-regulated. We’re one of the highest regulated states in the United States. Here’s how I know that, because I own multiple businesses, from restaurants to construction to security companies You know, all those things have a distinct issue. When you start overregulating them, it destroys businesses. So I know how to fix that economy piece, too, by deregulating a lot of the issues administratively.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK, Jason, let me jump in here for a moment, because right now you’re getting to the heart of why. And this is not an endorsement, folks. I do not endorse in primaries. OK, I’m going to support whoever the Republican is who wins. But Jason, this is why I’m calling you the dark horse in this race. Because I always look forward and think about, okay, when we have our person debating Michael Bennett, who I believe is going to be the candidate, who would stand out on our side? Who would be a really tough one for Bennett to face? And your name comes up, and here’s why. Because when we look at 60-40 issues that actually favor Republicans, even in a blue state, they are law and order. Immigration is about 55-45 in our favor here. Law and order is over 60-40. And I don’t know how he is going to handle you in a debate. How is he going to defend their track record and go after yours?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, he’s going to have a hard time because, look, immigration sits fully in his lap. The failure of immigration issues. And in Colorado, and here’s the problem that most people don’t understand about immigration that I’ve dealt with since I began, is we’re not dealing with the criminals. And what the state of Colorado is doing is giving this wide umbrella to all these immigrants that are coming here that are doing criminal acts. And, you know, the problem is. is that there’s people coming here to do the right thing. They want to get through the process because Biden opened the doors for them, and they were allowed to come here with a failed promise that they were going to get citizenship and do all these things. But when it focused that, it brought all the illegal criminal activity here also, because Colorado came out, since people think we’re a blue state under Polis, and Polis is saying, hey, we’ll protect you. We’ll sue Donald Trump and the whole regime for attempting to take the criminals out of state. And really, it’s a big moneymaker for them. What I’m saying is that good leadership, if it was if Polis had good leadership, the smartest thing he could do would be ship out all those criminal illegal immigrants that are in our prisons right now to the border. He would then fly to sit down with the president, go, listen, let’s work on a better way to do the immigration issue so that we can make sure good people are here helping work and do things. But let’s really push out those that are criminals that are doing harm to all Colorado citizens. And I think that’s where Bennett’s going to have a hard time because he’s never been a leader. He can’t be a leader. And to try to push me on successful businesses, on immigration issues, on crime issues, he’s kind of a wimp. What’s he going to bring to the table for anybody in Colorado?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t think he’s going to bring anything. Okay, let’s move on to another topic. Roads. Okay, this is a big topic in Colorado. Why? Because our governor and our state government wastes money left and right on everything else, basically giving money to people to not work rather than fixing our roads. And I’m going to tell you the big thing. Lanes. People in Colorado want more lanes, fewer excuses. They are sick and tired of having one more expensive road work thing go through that adds only, let’s say, one lane at most when you’re going to have booming growth in that area. They want more lanes, Jason. They want more lanes wherever they drive and they’re not getting it.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you’re right, Andy. And here’s the problem that I see. I drive between Colorado Springs and Denver all the time. We put in an extra lane, and guess what we did? Then we decide taxpayers are going to fund that extra lane, and then taxpayers are again going to pay a fee to drive on it. And you get up there from I-25 to Denver, and I’m driving along that thing, and if I happen to have to use an escape lane because traffic is so backed up it’s causing accidents, and I bounce into that lane, I’m going to get a $183 bill just for bouncing that lane and trying to escape getting hit. That’s ridiculous. It’s stupid, and I had it happen to me. And, you know, the problem I have around Colorado, and I drive all the roads in Colorado, they’re destroyed. And I drive through Woodland Park, Colorado, where I’m from. They were going to do a bypass years ago, and now the state’s coming in and saying it’s going to be $785 million to do a bypass, where I look at it and go from a business perspective and I go, well, then open the bids. Let’s get other companies in here that are Colorado companies that can compete with those types of bids, and let’s charge a fee if companies don’t get them done within a certain amount of time. I think those are issues that nobody’s looking at. And then we change who’s in charge of the highway departments from the committee members. You’ve got committee members on the state highways that don’t know anything about the state highways.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you see, and here’s the big thing, Jason. I don’t mind the toll lanes if you are using your money properly to begin with. But the simple fact is the reason they’re making toll lanes everywhere is because they’ve squandered money elsewhere. Okay, money is fungible. They’re squandering it, giving it away everywhere they can to their supporters, hand over fist. And basically, that leaves them with very little money. So even when they do make an extra lane, they charge us again to drive on it. It’s not fair. Let me ask you another one. The homeless. This is a big problem. Okay, this is a big problem in Colorado. And… Look, I’m not heartless, but how is it okay to leave them out there begging at street corners, to leave them out there in front of businesses, driving away customers when those businesses are paying to be there? Doesn’t something have to be done? Don’t we have to put them somewhere, put them through a system where, hey, you’re going to have to either go through the system or go to prison, but we can’t have you wrecking businesses. We can’t have you endangering citizens. We can’t have you trafficking in drugs out there. What could we do about the homeless?
SPEAKER 13 :
And here’s two things. And I’m going to tell you a horror story in Colorado that’s happening now. And I’m going to tell you how you fix the homeless populations in Colorado. Good. One, the homeless populations are identified as just homeless, but really the precursor to that is that you have behavioral health issues that through all of them that are based on drugs. And the problem we have is because we’ve allowed drugs to be such a big thing here in Colorado, we’ve decriminalized stuff. Now we’re starting to see that trickle down the homeless. And now you have homeless coming here that are self-medicating through narcotics and different things. And then we’re leaving them on the streets because we don’t know what to do with them. But here’s the problem. We’ve got to bring back some type of sanatoriums like we had in the early 50s and 60s here. I don’t want to do it. I think it’s horrible. But the state hospital has to grow in size. And here’s why I say that. What’s happening now is that Fort Lyons, which is in Bent County, Colorado, they are taking homeless off the streets of Denver. So it looks like there’s fewer homeless in Denver. And they’re taking them down there in Bent County, and they’re dropping them off at this beautiful fort down there. And then you have all of these homeless folks that are walking out of that location. They’re going down to the small city that’s there, and they’re destroying property values. They have a higher-than-normal drug use problem now. They have homeless on their streets. They’ve never had it. You’re talking a city of like 500 people.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 13 :
And we’re putting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of homeless there, and we’re paying them to stay there. We’re paying for all that things. But the problem is we’re not getting to the root cause, which is the behavioral health issues. because that is more of an impact on them and getting them off drugs, getting them cleaned up, getting them on the right medication, getting them in the right – your care, and then getting them back into a normal society.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, let me ask you another thing. You’re a cop. Okay, Jason, I got one big problem with cops in Colorado, and it’s not the cops themselves, it’s the politicians. Our cops basically seem to be going around in handcuffs. Every time they want to bust a perp, every time they want to enforce the law, they’re under a microscope. And they’ve got to do it exactly just right. And oh, my gosh, God forbid it can’t be with this or that protected group. I think a criminal is a criminal, any group. OK, I don’t care. OK, it could be me. All right. It won’t be because I’m a law abiding citizen, but I don’t care. I think I want the chains taken off our cops. OK, and I want criminals gotten off these streets. What can we do?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, we’ve got to love our law enforcement again in this state. I’m going to tell you something right now. I have been in it for almost 30 years, 10 of which will be as a sheriff. And here’s the thing I’ve noticed. Now you have a state attorney general that’s now suing a law enforcement officer in Colorado out of Mesa County for doing his job, for trying to put criminals in jail. You’ve got a state attorney general now that can open up gun cases or any case that he feels necessary to do so, even though sheriffs and DAs have closed those cases. You now have bonding where we’re able to bond people out immediately. You’ve got a state patrol and others that now really they’re being used as a basically a fundraising mechanism for the state of Colorado through tickets and things like that. But we’re not going after hardened criminals, right? No, we are probably so lax on crime now. We deregulated narcotics. We’ve taken and made it possible for sexual trafficking across the state like nobody’s business because we’ve deregulated prostitution issues down to petty offenses. They’re not even jailable. So all of these issues, we’ve got to get back to square one. And the biggest piece to solving and reducing crime by, I think, 40 percent in my first six months in office is to start holding people accountable off of probation and parole. I got parolees that have been on parole and have have actually committed crimes up to 16 new offenses within counties across Colorado and even in my county where they’ve not been violated on their parole to go back because the state of Colorado doesn’t want to tell you, the Colorado citizens, that we have a recidivism problem. And what they’re saying is we don’t have recidivism, we don’t have an illegal alien criminal issue in the state of Colorado, so they’re hiding and changing the numbers every single day because I have more victims that have come out about those things And I was just talking yesterday with a Gold Star mom who lost her child in a DUI accident with an illegal immigrant that shouldn’t have been here, had committed crimes in the past. I went to D.C. a few years ago, and I talked to the other Gold Star moms that lost their sons and daughters to homicides by convicted illegal aliens that the states did not turn over to ICE. We can no longer do that. We have to hold those people responsible if they’re going to continue to commit crimes here in the U.S., but also locally for people that are going to continue to commit crimes that are violent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, that’s well done. You see, because here’s the thing, Jason, I think most Coloradoans, if you get outside of the extremes, and by the way, I’m one of the extremes, okay? I’m an extreme right winger. I happily say that, okay? And I wouldn’t run for governor. Why? I wouldn’t get elected, all right? And I understand that. I get that. But I think most Coloradoans would look at the governor’s office and say, you know, we’ve had enough politicians. How about a cop? I just want somebody who’s going to get the bad guys out of the way so I can live my life. That’s all I want. I’m not asking much. Don’t change my life. Just let me live it. And right now, we’ve had a governor who doesn’t enforce the laws, doesn’t stop the criminals. And by the way, every activist position he has, he wants to make into your law. And I think I think a lot of Coloradans are getting to feel more and more helpless. And that’s how you feel when crime is running rampant and a governor is running rampant as well. OK, now let me ask you one last question. That was my little, you know, soapbox. I just get angry about it. OK, last question. Last question for you. And this is a biggie. Republicans are only about 22, 23 percent of the state. Right. And half the state is unaffiliated voters. There are some wonderful candidates in the governor’s race who they’ve got a real problem. Either they’re going to compromise too much and lose the base that they have. right they’re going to they’re going to try to compromise their way into the hearts of the unaffiliated voters or you’ve got the hardliners who are just going to drive away all the unaffiliated voters what’s your answer how are you going to win those unaffiliated voters without abandoning the people who put you there your supporters well and i that’s a great question and i get this a lot and i’m going to tell you up front here’s the thing that i found in colorado that unaffiliated independent a lot of those folks
SPEAKER 13 :
are your Second Amendment folks. A lot of those folks are your sportsmen of Colorado, because they got tired of the direction of the Republican Party at the time. The issue is getting us all back on the same approach that we’re going to be a logical, normal Colorado for everyone. I’ve worked now with the different podcasters through the state, and I’ve done my own podcasting and And, you know, we’re getting record levels of people wanting to support us from that independent and unaffiliated because they’re just sick of a failed Democratic direction for the last 20 years. Because there’s not one thing that can be said about a Democratic person in office right now that has made someone’s life better in Colorado over the last 10 years. It has gotten progressively worse, and people are frustrated. So the one thing I can tell you is this. I have been in the news enough to know that when I have done something, people can Google my name and they’re going to know that I’ve actually done what I’ve talked about. I’ve never said something that I was going to do without doing it. I hate losing. And the one thing is, in this state, is that we as a Republican Party have picked people that have lost races in the past. And we now have to start thinking about the independent side, the unaffiliated side, too, and how we bring them into the fold of being a logical, normal Colorado again. And I’m doing that. And I’m doing that every single day. With those ideas of bringing economics into the discussion, about bringing family into the discussion, to bring your Second Amendment rights into the discussion and your sportsman’s rights into the discussion and energy into the discussion, because we’re about to run low on energy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Energy is my big one.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s my big one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, mine too.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you’re not going to look at the oil. By the way, you do realize we’ve been driving away the oil and gas industry, which is killing jobs downtown.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and it is. And here’s the thing. We have got to bring that energy through natural gas and oil back. We cannot just turn a blind eye on those. They have to come back right now. And what people don’t really know is that we are shutting down coal plants in Colorado. When that last coal plant shuts down, by 2028, we are going to have a grid that you are not going to be able to count on to turn on the electricity. You’re not going to have gas. You’re not going to have all those things because they’re trying to outlaw them totally in the state of Colorado. I live in a county where we had a snowstorm two years ago where I lost people because they didn’t have a second form of energy in their home. If we stop allowing gas and oil and every other type of energy, and we need to look at nuclear energy also. Oh, yeah. We are not going to grow as a state. We’re going to lose jobs. We are losing our economy. And we’re going to put the elderly out of their homes because they’re not going to be able to afford the electricity that we do have in the state because it’s going to go through the roof.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Well, well done, sir. Jason, Mike Sell, how can people reach you and support you?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can find me at mikesell4gov.com. I would love your support. And I tell people, don’t just support me. I need your investment. I’m a business guy. I need your investment in my campaign. And I think all across Colorado, that’s something I’m looking at. So you can find me at mikesell4gov.com or just Google my name. You’ll find me and you’ll find all my social media platforms.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fantastic. Jason, thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you very much. You have a great day.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Ashley Cart. All right, Ashley. Got a couple minutes to go here. 2026 is coming. There are going to be some big stories. Let me predict three. All right. Okay. The first one is going to be an economic boom. It’s coming. I think we could hit 5% growth, which is Reagan level.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can see that happening.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, not in the first quarter. The first quarter is always a down quarter. It’s always around one, one and a half. But I mean, for the year, we could hit five. It could be incredible that with what Trump has done, bringing in money from overseas and unleashing markets to sell overseas. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
I would agree. I mean, kind of like we talked about, just seeing what the tariffs have done this year alone, I’m excited to see what it’s going to do for the economy next year.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. I agree. And by the way, folks, even if he loses the court case, he has some backup options. He’s going to be able to keep a lot of the tariffs in place. Next, late night shows ending. I think it’s going to be a big story.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think so, because a lot of them are already ending this year.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Next year, I think it’s going to be even more, and it’s just because people don’t want to watch them anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. The market’s not there. They’re teetering. Greg Gutfeld is kind of cleaning their clocks. That’s just the way it is. He’s number one for a reason. I think we’re going to see one or two of them go down, and it’s going to be a big story. Now, here’s a biggie. California gas prices. OK, they just closed a refinery. They’re going to close another one in April. California gas could go seven to ten dollars. It could be seven to ten dollar range. If that happens, folks, California’s economy is going to implode. And by the way, do I feel sorry for them? You know what? I feel sorry for anyone going through that kind of torment, but not totally because they on their own purposefully voted in. These lunatics in California, you did it to yourselves. You ruined yourselves. Why did you vote for these people who are driving out oil and gas? Okay, just like Polis wants to do here. And by the way, folks, for anybody listening to me right now here in Colorado, you are a Colorado voter. You know Colorado voters. Do me a favor. Watch California over the next six to eight months and then go to every single Colorado voter you know and say this. This is what Polis is directing us to. This is where we’re going.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, yeah, it’s been very obvious that he wants us to be California. The people who are moving here from California want us to be California.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And this is exactly where we’re going. If we do not turn around, if we do not get back into oil, gas, nuclear, you know, coal, the smart, actual, real energies. If we don’t start embracing those again, folks, because we’ve got a ton of them here. They’re plentiful. Colorado is going to become the next California because California is about to go through an energy crisis that they have never seen before. And that is what I’m predicting for 2026. What do you say?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think you’re probably right. I think it’s going to see a lot more Californians coming, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it’s going to be a disaster. Okay, folks, that’s it for hour number one. In hour two, I’ve been waiting for this. It’s my movie best worst list for 2025, and you’re going to know what to rent and what to avoid. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
