John Rush and Andy Peth dig into the political math behind Greg Lopez’s gubernatorial run and why they believe it pulls almost entirely from the right, not the left. They argue that Colorado’s unaffiliated voters are far less persuadable than many assume, and that a fractured Republican base only clears the path for Democrats to tighten their grip on the state.
The conversation branches into what they see as the deeper collapse inside the Colorado GOP, the role of internal party infighting, and why they believe Michael Bennet is positioned to benefit most if Republicans stay divided. They also weigh
00:16:34 Return to Discussion on John Rush and Greg Lopez
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Okay, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie Grimes, of course. And again, welcome to hour number two.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are here. We’re here. Yeah. Here, here. We’re here. We’re here. Can we talk about Greg Lopez? Go right ahead. Let’s do it. And by the way, I just want to say I really enjoyed your interview with him yesterday. I got to listen to the pod of it. I wasn’t able to at the time. Good job, as we expected, of course. But I also was really happy that you treated him so well. Because it would have been easy to go after a guy like that. And I thought you were tough, but very fair.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, thank you. And that’s what I wanted to be. Because he’s a good guy. We both like him. Thank you. I have nothing against anybody. It’s simply politics. And I disagree with the way that he is looking at politics in Colorado and the direction that he’s headed. Because as I said yesterday, he’ll end up being the Ross Perot of Colorado. He’ll do nothing but take away from the Republicans when it’s all said and done. And we have very little chance of winning here in Colorado anyways. We have no chance now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, let me speak first to… Am I saying that all correctly? Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let me speak first to the idea that he’s going to draw entirely from the right because he is. For those who are out there right now, if you like Greg or if you’re thinking about Greg, once again, I like Greg as a person. Always have, always will. This is simply talking about numbers and about politics.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m being honest. It’s just data. It’s just data.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it’s just data. Greg is going to draw entirely from the right, okay? And let me give you the reasons again. Number one, more options is always best for the left than the right. Okay, why? On the right, the Republicans are the party of individualists. Democrats are the party of collectivists. Individualists scatter when there are more options. Collectivists continue to collect. into one place they are going to group together they’re going to they’re going to herd together as cows and they’re still going to vote for their people let me give it a quick example of this colorado colorado the number of unaffiliated voters in colorado has been rising rising rising right It is now over half the state voters, I believe. And you would think, oh, well, then both parties can draw equally from those unaffiliated voters. Is that how it goes?
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, not even close. What has happened in the time that the unaffiliated voters have surged in Colorado is this. Democrats took over the state, not Republicans. It wasn’t both parties didn’t benefit equally or some third option came along and took over. No, no, no, no, no. Democrats have become gods in Colorado where we now have half the state’s voters are unaffiliated. So when Greg says he is going to draw equally from the left as a right, first of all, the left isn’t going to move. They’ll talk nice to you. They’ll be real happy to you when you come and speak. Then they’re going to vote Democrat.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Why? Because Democrats are loyal. They are collectivists. Collectivists collect together. Individualists, we whine nonstop, and we want every single candidate to be exactly like me. Right. Okay? Right. Democrats aren’t like that. Next, Greg’s entire brand has been built on the right. He hasn’t been a Democrat for many years, okay? Virtually every belief that he espouses is on the right. All right. Virtually all his views are right wing. And here’s another big thing. Has Greg debated either of the Democrat candidates?
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t believe so.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, he has not. Has Greg participated in any Democrat sponsored forums? Not that I know of. Where is he drawing from, John? The right. One side. Okay. And he knows that. He knows that. Now, I love you, Greg. I love you. But you know full well you’re campaigning on the right and you’re going to draw from the right. Are there people on the left you go out into their community and talk to? Yes. That doesn’t make anywhere near the splash and you know it. You’re going to have no draw from the left. Why? For the same reason that the Democrats are dominating now. The left, the collectivists collect. The individualists scatter. Only the side with individualists is the side where you can, you know, peel off some votes. So you are simply going to hurt the right and not the left. Greg Lopez is going to help the Democrats win bigger in November. Okay. He did have…
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I want to add one more thing. I’m not saying this to be mean or rude, folks, but you guys know me. I believe that we need to win. I believe that you need some wins under your belt, even when it comes to running for governor of the great state of Colorado. Now, those wins could come in all sorts of different ways. Unfortunately, we have some politicians, he being one of them, and the only race, by the way, that Greg’s ever won is when he won the special election. For CD, what was it, eight?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think so. I can’t remember.
SPEAKER 06 :
Make sure that I get that right. Was it seven? Oh, sorry, four.
SPEAKER 15 :
CD four.
SPEAKER 06 :
Four, okay. CD four. Kim Buck. So Kim Buck resigned. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a special election, and Lopez had won that one.
SPEAKER 15 :
And he pledged only to serve out the last couple months.
SPEAKER 06 :
Which, to his credit, he did just that. Sure. But here’s my point. He hasn’t won a major election, even a statewide election for anything, even in Colorado. It’s nothing against him. And I’m not saying that because you lost there, you’re going to lose the governor’s race. But this will be his third attempt. at running for governor of Colorado. And keep in mind, one of the things that he’s ran on in the past, to Andy’s point a moment ago, this is back in 2022, he said that he would outlaw abortions without exception, denied man-made climate change, and alleged that the 2020 election was won by Trump and was stolen. He actually lost in the primary to Heidi Ganahl by seven points. Now, my point is this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, how are those things going to sell on the left?
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you, Andy. My point is those things are going to surface again. Anybody can go to Wikipedia and look at the very same thing that I’m looking at right now, and they will. Read them again. Okay. He campaigned again for the Republican nomination in 2022. In the campaign, he stated he wanted to outlaw abortions without exceptions, denied man-made climate change, and alleged that the 2020 election was won by Trump and stolen. He then lost the primary to Heideggen all by seven points.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, right there with those three views, unless he’s going to recant on those, and he has not.
SPEAKER 06 :
He won’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right there with those three views, you have lost every single Democrat vote in the state. Correct. Unless you’ve got some weirdo Democrat who is, I don’t know. A Fetterman type. Look, you’ve lost all of them. And not only them, but you have lost every left-leaning independent as well. Right. The unaffiliated. You’ve lost them all. You’re not competitive in any way, shape, or form. But you will draw from one side ours. Okay? Here’s another thing I couldn’t stand. he kept insisting that John Rush doesn’t connect with voters outside our base. OK, that he does, because you were asking him. You made it very clear. You said, look, you’re not going to you’re not going to take any voters from the Democrats. Certainly nothing that matters. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no more than I said, no more than five percent. I mean, very gracious there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, way gracious. I would go to. OK, but that’s fine. Who knows? Maybe in a perfect world, five percent. But you said right out, how are you going to draw from the Democrats? How are you going to draw from people who are not in our base? Because you’re saying you’re going to draw equally from all sides. How? And he said, because I connect with them. And you’re like, how? And then he said… You don’t connect with them. And you said that you, John Rush. Now, let me talk about this. Greg Lopez has spent the past, what, couple decades or whatever? I don’t know. Being a Republican politician only. Correct. Meanwhile, John Rush has been working with all communities of all parties, employing them. Right. Selling to them. Right. Interacting with them in business.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
What is he saying? Why is he saying that you, and he said it twice, that you, John Rush, cannot connect with these communities, as he called it. These communities, you don’t connect with them, I do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because I’m not Hispanic. That’s my guess.
SPEAKER 15 :
It seemed like that, didn’t it?
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s what I would gather out of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, he didn’t say that, and I don’t know. I mean, but I’ll say it certainly seemed like he was saying because you’re a white guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, because I’m a middle-aged, actually older white guy. I guess I can’t connect.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s pretty offensive. I mean, I’m just saying. Now, I’m not going to go 100% on that, but that’s how it came off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, if you re-listen to it, that’s exactly how it sounded. You’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
It sounded exactly like that. And last thing, he said the one thing that he would offer for the left— is that he wants low-income housing for outlying areas.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, I asked him, okay, give me something that is, you know, something you’re going to run on, or as governor, one thing that you would like to do, and he picked affordable housing, which the first thing I said was, well, number one, not the proper role of government, but let’s go ahead and talk about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And then he said he wants these 1,000 or 1,100 square foot homes. He wants more of those being made. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I challenged him on that because of the developer and the cost and the return on investment and so on. Right. And basically, I was told by Greg that developers are greedy, which, by the way, I hate people when they say that.
SPEAKER 15 :
He literally said the greed of the developers. In other words, he said they’ve got a lot of, and I’m quoting him here, wiggle room in their profit margin to where they can afford to lower their prices a lot and simply make less money. Here’s my question, John. You’re a wealthy developer. You can buy land here. You can buy land in Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Utah. Why would you buy it here if the governor here is saying you’re going to have a much lower profit margin? You wouldn’t. Why would you do that? You wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
You wouldn’t do it. So then I guess you end up having, which I hope isn’t the direction that Greg would head, but I guess then you end up having some quasi-governmental entity building houses, Andy, which is a disaster.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and even look at the end result, John. Low-income housing. Let’s think about it for a moment. Because you said, hey, none of that cheap land is available in the city. You have to do it in outlying areas. And he agreed.
SPEAKER 06 :
He did.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Those areas are Parker, Franktown, Elizabeth, places like that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Way out east. Strasburg. Strasburg, going way up north towards Meade and so on.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Okay. Now, you tell me, or no, forget me, you tell all those red voters in those areas that they’re going to be overwhelmed with low-income housing.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s not going to sell well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which they know means Democrats moving in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. They’re not going to like that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, they’ve gotten a taste of it right now in Elizabeth, Franktown, and Parker. Let me tell you something. The Republican voters in those areas hate it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can’t blame them, Andy. I would hate it as well. We got Democrats coming in. Can’t say as I hate. I mean, I would hate it also. It would stink.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. Low income housing is a terrible thing for most of these areas. Okay. And by the way, so the idea is not to focus on one kind of housing like low income. The best thing to do is what you were talking about. Lower all the restrictions.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let’s lower all of what it costs to develop. Let’s start there.
SPEAKER 15 :
And let all form of housing expand across the entire state. And don’t pick a favorite.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s basically what I said. And he somewhat agreed to that. Although, you know, again, I was challenging him on the one point of, you know, affordable housing. By the way, I hate that term. You guys have heard me talk about this numerous times. I feel like affordability when it comes to housing has a lot to do with the desire of the buyer. In other words, there’s a lot of these young people today that won’t buy those homes because it doesn’t match what mom and dad have and what they grew up in. They’re not willing to sacrifice to step down to have something to get started in. They don’t want to start a home. That’s my point.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, there’s that. And also, let’s face it, Bidenflation took away all their disposable income. They’re not stacking up money to use to buy any house.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s part of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re not just not buying small houses. They’re not buying big, medium, anything in between. They can’t afford it. Right. Okay, so let me sum this up. All right, and then we’ll go to break. Okay. Greg is going to draw entirely from the right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is. And all of his talking, he didn’t give a single sustainable reason as to why he wouldn’t draw solely from the right. He is completely, he built his entire brand on the right, and the right is the side that scatters. The left will collect together. He’s not going to draw from the left. And he also, as you so aptly stated, he supported banning all abortions, I mean, come on. He supported positions that the left, there’s no way they’re going to go with him. Finally, the one left wing thing that he is advocating, low income housing, is the very thing destroying Republican communities across the state. Why would anybody want to vote for this guy?
SPEAKER 06 :
they wouldn’t. I just got some text messages along those same lines. Go ahead. Yeah, we don’t want that. The infrastructure, everything’s going on, low-income housing and so on. No, it just doesn’t work. And no, these people don’t want that in their backyard, Andy. They’re verifying that with their messages.
SPEAKER 15 :
Any place you put those, your house goes down in value.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And I got a text message in that said, I thought, this is talking about Greg Lopez, I thought he meant because John Rush is white and more financially secure than those he associates with more. That’s what I got. Well, I got that, and I’m also not Hispanic, and he is, of course. And keep in mind, folks, and I don’t think I’m wrong in saying this, I don’t know Greg’s net worth. I know what mine is, but I would venture to guess that Greg lives a fairly decent lifestyle just like the rest of us do. So the reality is I don’t think there’s much difference when it comes to the economic end of things between Greg and I. That’s my thought. I don’t know Greg’s personal financial statement at all, but that would be my guess. Well, Greg’s not poor. Yeah, he’s not poor.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, not by any stretch. And by the way, if he wants to come out and just openly say it’s because I’m Hispanic and there are people who will listen to me because of the demographic flair of that, okay, I’ll accept that. Right. But say it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER 15 :
Don’t beat around the bush.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just say it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and by the way, another reminder, how many Democrats are inviting him to their forums?
SPEAKER 06 :
None, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, and yet Republicans, a number of them have. Why do you think that is? Why? Because we’re individualists. We’re willing to listen to anyone. We will splinter off in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER 06 :
They won’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Democrats won’t. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
They won’t. They won’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Before we go to – you want to talk about Tucker Carlson. Before we do that, though, I talked about this a couple weeks ago. Andy and I did. We didn’t spend a lot of time on it. And frankly, I didn’t spend a lot of time on this particular topic because I didn’t think it would go much – it wouldn’t go very far anyways. And our side was really getting in an uproar over it, and I didn’t really think much of it because, frankly, I didn’t care one way or the other. But the prostitution bill has been pulled, so we will not have legal prostitution in Colorado. And the reality is I didn’t care one way or the other, didn’t talk much about it because, to me – And I know I took some flack for this one, and I’ll take it rightfully so, but I just didn’t think it would go very far anyway, so why spend a bunch of time on something that isn’t worth dinking around with?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think this rescues our state. No, I don’t. But I did oppose the bill, so okay, that’s fine.
SPEAKER 06 :
But at the end of the day, neither one of us spent much time on it because I didn’t think it was going to go anywhere anyway, just to be real honest with you. No. All right, so what did Tucker Carlson say?
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, and this comes from Town Hall where they’re commenting on it. Tucker Carlson, he made comments during a recent interview with Breaking Point’s host, Cigar and Jetty, and here it is. And he’s speaking of, you know, Trump calling on Iran to unconditionally surrender. He says, unconditional surrender means foreign troops get to rape your wife and daughter if they want, and everyone knows that. He continued, saying, it’s like the most atavistic instinct there is, and so to avoid that, people will do anything.
SPEAKER 06 :
What? Right. Andy, my brain just exploded.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is what Tucker Carlson believes about American and Jewish troops, Israeli troops.
SPEAKER 07 :
My brain just exploded.
SPEAKER 15 :
Our troops… For them to unconditionally surrender means our troops can go in and rape them. You know, Tucker, you have gone off the reservation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, we already knew that, but he just keeps proving it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but you know what he is? He’s an anti-American zealot. He hates America. He hates Israel. Or, you know, I don’t know if he hates America. I know he hates Israel. But I do know this. He demeans America.
SPEAKER 06 :
He’s a Jew hater.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah. He’s a Jew hater, but he demeans America. You know why he doesn’t like America much? Because America doesn’t hate Jews enough. It’s all about the Jews for him. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think you’re 100% correct. I can’t argue that one, Andy. And I said this before, it’s always interesting when you see a big name like Tucker leave an organization like he did, Fox News, which I’m not saying Fox News knows everything and that they are the ultimate and the know-all and so on. Although, typically speaking, when anchors like Tucker, who had a really good following and had good shows and had good ratings and so on, I’ve said this before, I’ll keep saying it, typically when they leave… There’s more to it than what you’re being told. And what I have to wonder with Tucker and Fox News is what did they know that we’re now just starting to figure out? Maybe they knew all of this all along and realized we want to disconnect from this guy as soon as we possibly can because we’re not going down that rabbit hole.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. I think they saw this coming. I really do. I think they saw this coming. By the way, I was debating with one of Tucker’s supporters a couple days ago. And this guy brought up a point that Tucker does like, and that is Sheldon Adelson. He’s a very rich Jewish Republican. He donated, I guess, around $100 million to Trump’s campaign to help his campaign and maybe some other campaigns. But $100 million. And what this guy insisted is that Sheldon, who is a Jew… Because of that huge donation, Trump is basically a puppet for Sheldon Adelson. And that is why Trump is doing this war for Israel. Now, as we talked about last week, obviously, this war is primarily about China and Russia. Okay. And I don’t want to go into all that again, but we’ve talked about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I came back and I said, really? Oh, okay. So when Elon Musk… donated not just more money than that, but also a ton of his time, does that mean that Trump is now a puppet of South Africa?
SPEAKER 06 :
Good question.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, really, are you going to say that, or are you only going to pick on the dirty Jew? Are you only going to say that dirty Jewish money is buying off Trump, but not all that South American money, South African money? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That person split the scene. No answer. You know, this blows my mind. Has it ever occurred to anyone that Sheldon Adelson is just a Republican who loves America?
SPEAKER 06 :
And he loves Israel, too. And is willing to put his money where his mouth is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. By the way, what’s wrong with that?
SPEAKER 15 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 06 :
If we had more of our side doing that, we would be a lot better off when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And by the way, what is evil about people who advocate for Israel?
SPEAKER 06 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Why is that evil? I mean, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Why is it evil for people who are pro-Israel to use that money to lobby in America on Israel’s behalf? Wouldn’t Israel be suicidal if they didn’t do that? There’s only one nation in the world that can basically keep them alive. And that nation is split politically. Wouldn’t they be stupid not to lobby here?
SPEAKER 06 :
agree go ahead really quick somebody also said on the low-income housing thing to find that seven to ten years ago in conifer low-income was five hundred thousand so great point by the way yeah low-income housing depending upon where you are in the whole metro area can mean all sorts of different numbers oh yeah good point by the way great point it’s different west side of town east side of town north side of town west side of town you know different corridors of town and so on it’s different all over andy
SPEAKER 15 :
Can you explain something to me? Sure. Rent.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Rent is high, uh, across the street from, um, where Corey and I live. They have now built a bunch of new units and they’re very nice, but they are probably, I’d say half the size of our home.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. At most. And they are renting for over 3000 a month. How does anybody come up with 3000 a month to rent something that’s much smaller than our home and get no equity?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, lots of reasons people do different things when it comes to renting. Sometimes they’re in between homes. Sometimes they could have come out of a messy divorce, something along those lines. In some cases, they just got here. They don’t know exactly where they want to live, so they’ll rent for X amount of time until they determine where that’s going to be. Some people just have this feeling that, you know what, I would rather let the landlord take care of everything. I don’t want to worry about doing any maintenance or repairs or whatever. I want the luxury to go do other things instead of work on a home every weekend, which is most of us do, but I enjoy doing it. So it’s sort of a hobby that you end up with anyways. But there’s different philosophies along those lines.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. One last question. Let’s say you were a voter in Franktown or Elizabeth or one of those outlying areas. And Greg Lopez comes along and says, I am going to help the people in Denver move out to your area with lower income housing.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s not going to sell. Andy, that’s not going to sell at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s going to sell great downtown.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s like a fart in church. No one likes it. No, it’s not going to work. It’s not going to work. No, I don’t think it is. No, it isn’t. It will not work. I can tell you that right now. It will not work. They will not like that. They already don’t like some of what’s going on along those lines already because it’s already happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know what I would have liked for you to have been able to ask, Greg? You didn’t have time. I loved all the questions. They were great. You couldn’t have taken any out. But if you had more time, I would like you to look at Greg and say, Greg, okay, you say that you’re not one party anymore and you like both sides equally. Okay, let me ask you this. California has absolutely fallen apart. Can you please give me the top four or five things that California has done wrong to drive people away? Tell us things that the left has done that you’re going to avoid.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a great question.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t just want to hear how you connect, connect, connect, connect, connect with these people. I want you to tell me, honestly, what are the bad policies driving people out of California?
SPEAKER 06 :
Great question. Great question. Now, and again, truthfully, guys, I could have spent an hour or two on the phone with Greg. He had limited time. I’ve got limited time, of course. And with politicians, you know, you have to be careful how much time we actually spend because there’s equal access and so on. So given all of that. I felt like we did a pretty good job of asking the questions that we needed and really giving Greg a voice to to let us know why he feels going unaffiliated. It’s not independent. Like everybody says, it’s unaffiliated. That’s the correct word here in Colorado. Why he feels unaffiliated is the direction that he should go. And I feel like he gave us those answers, although I don’t agree with his answers. And by the way, here’s my here’s my feeling on. And I didn’t say this. I didn’t want to be mean. But here’s my feeling as to why Greg went unaffiliated. He knows he’s not going to win the primary no matter what anyways. So if you want to stay in the race and have a chance to run all the way up to the election and have your name circulated and so on, you’ve got to go unaffiliated because he’s not going to win the primary. I agree. That’s my thought.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree, but do you agree that he was really out of it?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
At this early stage?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So what do you think that Victor Marx is going to be the candidate and that’s it?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it’s down to two or three. And unfortunately, Greg’s not in the running, especially now. But I’m not sure that he would have been in the running prior to that.
SPEAKER 15 :
You don’t think he would have held up?
SPEAKER 06 :
No. And again, folks, I’m sorry. And I said this yesterday. I’m never mean. And I don’t want to sound mean-spirited or anything, but I’m a realist. And I throw things out that are real. And sometimes being real hurts. You know, it’s just the nature of the beast. I don’t know how else to say it. Just being real hurts. But when you’ve ran as many campaigns as Greg has, and you haven’t won any of those, that follows you, okay? It carries on with you. And people remember those things. And at the end of the day, no, he wasn’t going to win the primary. I’m sorry. Because of what I just said, that wasn’t going to happen. Period. It’s why I said, and I should have challenged him on this yesterday, but I didn’t. It’s why I said, and I’ll stand by this, all the way back to when everything was happening inside of the Colorado GOP and we were looking for a new chair, what Greg should have done is that he should have ran for chair. He would be chair right now. He would be helping move Colorado forward on the Republican side. I think he would be a really solid leader in that area. I do think he had the ability to bring some people together, make some things work very well that we don’t have right now. And I wish he would have done that. I didn’t challenge him on that yesterday because it wasn’t the time or the place. But I put a bug in his ear back when that was going on. And my gut feeling is Greg, you know, Greg wants to run a campaign. He wants to be, quote unquote, you know, governor of Colorado. It’s not in the cards, especially now. There’s not a snowball’s chance of him being governor now. It’s just not going to
SPEAKER 15 :
happen he’s out he should have gone and been the chair of the gop here in colorado that’s what he should have done okay one more question you can now or after the break whichever um greg says his biggest reason for running independent or unaffiliated is because half the state’s vote voters are unaffiliated now obviously that’s and the gop’s a mess well and the gop’s don’t forget that part that he put well he said both parties are but yeah both parties are really what he meant was our side’s a mess our side’s a mess okay um Answer that. So he says half the state’s voters are unaffiliated. So, you know, they’re all going to be open to me. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they’re not. You’re right. They still vote according to their own belief system and their slant, which unaffiliated in Colorado. And I said this yesterday, they’re still going to vote mainly on the left for candidates. It’s so weird. They’re bipolar. So our unaffiliated voters in Colorado are very bipolar. Let me explain. Well, let me do this. We need to take a break. When I come back, let me explain why they’re bipolar and why they’re not going to vote for Greg as soon as I come back. We’ll do that in a moment. Dr. Scott’s coming up next. Live your best life. Feel the best you can. Scott will help you with all of that. And again, it’s really easy. Just give him a phone call. 303-663-6990.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And here’s a synopsis of voters in Colorado, the unaffiliated. So the left always votes left. The right, for the most part, will vote right with some exceptions. Andy and I talk about this all the time, so I’m not getting into that. But we’re going to talk about unaffiliated right now. So I call them bipolar voters because what they’ll typically do, not all of them, but the lion’s share of unaffiliated voters. If you’re a Democrat, you have their vote. It’s as simple as that. Doesn’t matter what policies you’re running on. I mean, there’s a few rare exceptions where they may vote for Republican, but by and large, they’re voting for you because you have a D next to your name. Right. It’s that simple. Now, on the same token, though, if we try to run a ballot measure whereby it raises taxes, it’s a no. Fiscally speaking, they’re always going to be a no on that end of things. What they’re so stupid about, and I use that word on purpose, they’re so stupid and ignorant. They’re voting for the very same people that will override their fiscal vote that they’ll vote for, and yet they’ll vote for the same stupid politician with a D next to their name that’s going to override what they just voted against anyways. That’s how dumb they are, but that’s who they are.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, remember a few years ago, they voted to keep oil drilling. Then they voted in people who took it away.
SPEAKER 06 :
They are the most bipolar voters out there. And again, going back to the conversation about Greg, the reality is, no, they’re not going to vote for him because of what I just said.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, let me tell you, let me give the ultimate proof. Here we go. Okay. Do you know what party, political party in Colorado lines up the most with Colorado voters?
SPEAKER 06 :
Democrats.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, well. Libertarian. Yeah, you’re probably right on that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Libertarian.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the Libertarian Party. Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. I mean, if you were to put, okay, what are all the most popular viewpoints in Colorado, you know, the most popular positions, the Libertarian Party lines up with them the most. Okay, the Libertarian Party has had a candidate almost every time around forever. How do they draw from that 50% of unaffiliated voters, John? They don’t. Why? Because this idea that that 50% of unaffiliated voters are totally open to persuasion and willing to follow the next Greg Lopez who comes along is a joke. They’re not going to do it. First of all, the majority of them are going to vote Democrat. They’re not going to splinter at all. And secondly, the only splintering you’re going to get on the right is on the right. Correct. And not that many are going to splinter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because there’s a certain amount already to prove our point. For those of you that maybe don’t understand this, there’s a certain amount already that are in Greg’s camp that have already splintered off, if you would. In other words, they’re backing Greg. They’re backing him financially. They’re door knocking. They’re doing different things to try to get him elected. They’re mostly Republican. Yeah. Well, is there any that aren’t?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I’m sure that you can always find a couple, you know, tokens.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I don’t know. I’m not in his camp. Token Ds. I’m not in his camp, so I don’t know. But by and large, those that are supporting him, I guarantee you, I guarantee you 95%, I’ll at least say that, 95% are Republicans.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, you still have a few pro-life Ds. And they are especially, by the way, in the Hispanic community.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. So you might have a few supporters along those lines is what you’re trying to say.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and I don’t know if they’ll be Hispanic or not, but I’m just saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, you could be.
SPEAKER 15 :
But, John, they’re going to be token. Overwhelmingly, his support is going to come from stealing from Republicans. Right. It’s not close. It’s not close.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And if unaffiliated voters in Colorado were totally open, then we right now would have a libertarian governor.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, and by the way, Andy just said that, we have one that pretends to be one.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I say pretend because he really isn’t, but he pretends to be one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. He’s a leftist, but he tries to act like he’s not.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s why he’s considering pardoning Tina Peters because he wants to play both sides of the aisle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. He doesn’t care about her.
SPEAKER 06 :
Trust me, he doesn’t care about Tina Peters at all. He’s just playing politics is all he’s doing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nothing more, nothing less. And I said this yesterday, and I mean this, and I wanted to see what Andy thinks of this. Maybe I should ask you this, and we can talk about this when we come back from break.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Michael Bennett, given where we’re at right now, because he’ll win the primary on the Democrat side, pretty convinced of that. Greg and I were arguing about this because Greg thinks he’s got a chance at winning. I say right now there’s nobody on our side, given what Greg is doing, that has a snowball’s chance of beating Michael Bennett. So, in turn, Michael Bennett will most likely be your governor of Colorado. And, Andy, I’m going to leave you with this, and you can either agree or disagree with me. Michael Bennett will make Jared Polis look like a conservative libertarian.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, let’s talk after the break.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we’ve got a call coming in, but before that, Andy, do you think if Michael Bennett does win, because right now, given what we’re doing on our side, I don’t see that being any different. I do think, in fact, he will, and we’ll take this call as soon as you get done answering. Sorry, never mind. We don’t have a call coming in. Okay, so you can answer this no matter what. Take your time. Given I think Michael Bennett will be our next governor… Knowing how radical his ideas are and what he’s proven as a track record in the past. Right. Will he make Governor Polis look like a conservative libertarian?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. And it’s going to be twofold, John. It’s going to be, first of all, because of who he is. As you said, Michael Bennett is going to take us to the left.
SPEAKER 06 :
He’s a hardcore Marxist, by the way, if you guys don’t understand that. He is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. But here’s what we are staring in the face this November. And I’m sorry. I know we bring up the Davidians, guys. Please understand, though, it’s important.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really quick, by the way, just a side note on that. Yeah, go ahead. So we got to give credit where credit’s due. I was thinking about this this morning because now I’m seeing all over social media. memes and so on that are calling the Davidians the Davidians. Oh, yeah. But Andy and I didn’t invent that. No. That’s Charlie’s name.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Charlie actually came up with the name Davidian. So we got to make sure that all of you that are listening, please give credit where credit is due. If you put Davidian down, you need to make sure that you give Charlie Grimes credit for that.
SPEAKER 15 :
They are being called the Davidians statewide.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. So that comes back to Charlie. So Charlie gets all the credit for that, not even Andy and I.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I always thought Charlie was all-powerful.
SPEAKER 06 :
He’s the guy that get it all going in the first place. But anyways, my point is, people don’t realize, I don’t think even our side realizes, how bad Michael Bennett will be for Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, he’s going to be terrible.
SPEAKER 06 :
He’s worse than Newsom in California.
SPEAKER 15 :
But here’s what’s worse. The Davidians are destroying our party in Colorado, and here’s what I mean. They have totally taken over the state central committee, and there are people out there yawning, oh, man, it’s inside baseball. Don’t worry, I won’t go far, okay? But I’m telling you folks that they are crippling our turnout network statewide. I believe that this November we are going to get annihilated by the Democrats, okay? And I believe Greg is going to factor into that by stealing off a fair number of votes and also depressing Republican turnout. Because he’s out there telling Republicans, because he almost speaks solely to Republicans, he’s out there telling Republicans how ruined their party is. Okay? That’s not helping. All right. And so between Greg and the Davidians, and Greg is not a Davidian, but between him and the Davidians, I believe that they are wrecking our party. And folks, for those who think, well, Britta Horn’s in charge. Britta Horn is not in charge of the party anymore, folks. If you have been to the last couple SCC meetings, it was clear who was in charge.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 15 :
She is not in charge. They are. They have the numbers. They are in charge. This is their party now. It is doing what they want at the county level all across the state. Not in Weld. Okay, that’s a different area, but most of the state. They are in charge. And look where they’re in charge. They are in charge in Parker, where we now have a Democrat mayor. They are in charge in El Paso, where we now have a Democrat mayor in Colorado Springs. They’re in charge in Douglas County where the Democrats just surged and took over the school board. Everywhere they’re in charge, we get killed. And I’m telling you something, we are going to get killed. So here’s what I predict this November. They are going to storm to huge numbers. Michael Bennett will be the new governor, and he is going to have a veto-proof legislature and state senate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meaning they will do whatever they want to do from gun control to health care to taxes to getting around and getting rid of Tabor to you name it, guys.
SPEAKER 15 :
A year from now, we will look back fondly on all the relative freedom we had at this time. Yes, under Polis.
SPEAKER 06 :
Like I said yesterday, you’re going to think Polis was a conservative after Michael Bennett.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m not joking when I say that, folks.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I will also predict the Davidians and Rhino Watch, they’re going to try to blame this on Britta Horne. Oh, jeez. Who has no power now. No power. None.
SPEAKER 06 :
Andy? They’re in charge everywhere. These people, they’re just… I mean, I used to call them just utter morons, but they’re more than that. These are deceivers. They’re corrupt.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
They are… you know, borderline criminal in their behavior and what they do. I mean, these are scum of the earth individuals that just need to leave Colorado, period.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, their personal lord and savior, Dave Williams, was personally texting with and emailing with Britta’s vice chair and secretary, undermining her the whole time. Britta has had no support. None. None. None. She was voted in by a slim majority of people who wanted her instead of them. Guess what? Those people have now been overridden. I’m telling you, I believe this November, and here’s another thing I’m going to predict. We’re also going to lose two more House seats. I believe we lose in CD8 and CD3. That’s too bad. Because of them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because of what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because they are dividing us so bad.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I believe that they are going to suppress turnout for Jeff Hurd enough to where he is going to lose CD3. Because they want to be able to say, you put forth these mealy-mouthed moderates, and they got us to lose these seats. They’re going to try to make that happen, and I think they’re going to succeed. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree. So here’s a question. Whose side are they really on? Democrats. There’s no question. Are they really working for the Democrats is the bigger question.
SPEAKER 15 :
Um, all of them. No, I believe there are those. I believe they’re working for themselves because they simply want to seize control of the Republican Party and milk it for money. But do I believe that some of them? are working together hand in hand with Democrats behind the scenes, it sure seems that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Somebody said, you might want to explain to those of us that don’t know who David Koresh and the Branch Davidians were. Well, that’s probably, you know, here’s the thing on that. Just go Google that one, look it up, Wikipedia, whatever. That’s an easy one. You know, We did sort of, I guess you could say, Charlie stole the Davidian name from them, from the Branch Davidians, but it’s fitting, and it goes along very well with what’s happening here in Colorado when it comes to those following David Williams, not David Koresh. Although, the blind faith following probably isn’t much different. No, it isn’t. Am I right in saying it that way? They’re probably not much different from one another.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, I debate these people all the time online, and here’s what is always the way it goes.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re brainwashed.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re brainwashed. They will not listen, and the second you corner them with the facts, they run every time. Every time. They run away. They can’t respond to arguments. They don’t care. It’s all rage and emotion.
SPEAKER 06 :
Somebody else asked, what do I think or what do we think about Phil Weiser’s chances? Will he be more extreme than Bennett? I don’t think he’d be more extreme than Bennett, but Phil’s just a bozo. Phil’s as dumb as a rock. He’s dumber than Michael Bennett, meaning he has no chance of winning. Sorry, he doesn’t, folks.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m going to disagree slightly. I think Weiser would be to the left of Bennett. I think he would be even more radically wacko.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know. But I don’t think it matters. Bennett is a through and through Marxist, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know, but so is Weiser. And Weiser is more of an activist.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, Bennett is. He’s just more quiet about it, Andy. He just doesn’t come out and do it on his front sleeve like what Weiser does.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know. I know. I’m not saying their beliefs are different. I’m saying Weiser has more of the Antifa feel to him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you’re probably right about that. And that’s why he won’t win, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. I don’t think he’ll win.
SPEAKER 06 :
He won’t win.
SPEAKER 15 :
But here’s the big thing. I don’t think it matters because of the complete division of the Republican Party statewide. What has happened to it? They’re going to run everything.
SPEAKER 06 :
It doesn’t matter. For those of you on the Democrat side asking if it’s Weiser or Bennett, I can tell you right now the DNC will be behind Bennett giving him all the money.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a done deal. Weiser’s not going to get the money. Bennett will. And the reason for the big donors and the reason for this is because Bennett’s already a senator.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So it becomes really easy for him to slip in and take over for Paul. For all of you listening, please hear me out when I say this. And Andy, I’ll agree with this. Yeah, this is by design.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
The Democrats a couple of years ago sat down and said, OK, next time around, because Polis is termed out, we still want to control Colorado. What do we need to do? Who steps into Polis’s place? And they picked Michael Bennett right off the bat, I guarantee you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah, because, and I believe that because they want to do the switch. Okay, he takes that, then he appoints Polis to the Senate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then Polis can, he can ride as long as he wants in the Senate until he feels.
SPEAKER 06 :
Until he knows he wants to run for president.
SPEAKER 15 :
Until he feels that there’s a good election for him to run.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s exactly how it’s going to work.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
So for those of you that don’t think that, or those of you even on the Democrat side that don’t think that, think again. So far, and again, this is not Andy and I boasting. It’s just simply data and looking at things and analyzing and so on. We’re very seldom wrong, guys.
SPEAKER 15 :
We were very seldom wrong.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it’s because we can sit here and look at things. We’re not engulfed in the campaigns itself. We’re not on that level. We can see things from that 10,000 foot level. We have the ability to look at things a lot better in that case where we’re not sucked into everything going on at that street level, meaning we can be more analytical about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, look at it this way, John. If you’re Jared Polis, and who do you want? Okay, do you want to have to run in 28 and it’s only going to be 28?
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s going to be Vance Rubio. Do you want to run against that? You would prefer not to. You’d prefer to wait another election cycle.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, one or two cycles even. And see how it goes, right? He’s young enough. He can do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Maybe a bad war comes along, something happens. You want that spot in the Senate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 15 :
And you can run from there if you want.
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SPEAKER 06 :
One thing, too, for all of you listening that either are in the Davidian camp or are not in the Davidian camp, mark my words on this. The Democrats, whether they actually directly support you or not, are. Oh, totally. Because they want you to win. They want to see as much disruption in the GOP and to see the GOP fall as much as they possibly can. They’re in this to win it. We’re not.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the Democrats are the biggest supporters of the Davidians.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. All the way. If you don’t believe me, they will even help run ads to make sure that that candidate wins.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’ve done it to help Davidian candidates. Ron Hanks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. Yeah, Hope. They’re going to do it for Hope. Hope Shepelman.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. They will run ads that will hurt Jeff Hurt.
SPEAKER 06 :
And make sure that Hope gets propped up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And yet Hope will run around and claim that, no, that’s not the case.
SPEAKER 15 :
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democrats run ads talking about how Trump endorsed Hope.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, they probably will. Yeah, you’re right. They probably will, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
And they’ll try to say it negatively, right, with a wink. Oh, Hope Shepard, we can’t trust her. She was endorsed by Donald Trump, who’s popular in CD3.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wink, wink.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wink, wink.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s exactly what they’ll do. They’re not dumb. Like I said earlier, guys, they’re in it to win it. Our side doesn’t know how to win because of the Davidians and what they’ve done to the party up to this point. And unfortunately, they are still in charge. And you can blame Rhino Watch for a lot of this, which that’s a whole other conversation in and of itself. Another flower coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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