Join John Rush as he navigates through a maze of current events, from unique weather patterns in Colorado to a staggering plot to disrupt New York City’s cell network. In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of everyday life wisdom mixed with large-scale technological threats. Discover how these disparate elements shape our understanding of security and community in today’s world.
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All right. Happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. A little rainy today, but, you know, we need that from time to time. So we’ll take it, and it’ll be a nice weekend coming up. So it is a little weird, though, when it rains like this, because we’re not used to this.
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We are not. This is Colorado.
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Especially all day. We’re not used to this.
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This feels so Midwestern. Okay, back in Wisconsin, when it rains, it doesn’t come in little pockets across the urban area like we have here, right? It would be a pocket here and there, sweeping across. No, it’s just a blanket over the state.
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Like today.
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This is Wisconsin rain.
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Weird. Yeah, we’re not used to this.
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No, we are not.
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which, luckily, it’ll be out of here by tonight, be a nice day tomorrow. All right, a possible question yesterday. Each king in a deck of cards represents a king from history. Who does the spades card represent? King David is the answer. Today’s impossible question, on 18th of January, 2006, Star Trek actor William Shatner sold a kidney stone that he had passed that previous year to an online casino, goldenpalace.com. How much did he sell it for? That is the question. Charlie, do you know this answer? No, Charlie does not.
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No clue, no clue.
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Sorry. In fact, I don’t need to know, to be honest with you.
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Right.
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This is that need-to-know basis. I don’t need to know. All right. In other news today, most of you probably already saw this before we get into the real meat of the show today, but the Secret Service has foiled a massive plot. that would have crippled the New York City cell network and threatened the U.N. General Assembly. They found, I want to say, a boatload. I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, sorry. But they found a boatload, like 300-plus people. 100,000 SIM card, 300 co-located SIM servers. Basically, they were going to try to spam with text messages and overload the entire cell network at one time, send all those out at one time, overloading the network, meaning you wouldn’t have had any cell service, data service, anything along those lines. It would have literally crippled that whole area by doing that.
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How do you track that down? How do you stop something like that?
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That is a great question. There’s pictures of them finding these racks of all the different devices and things. Yeah, this is not a small, Charlie said millions of dollars of stuff. It is. This is not a small operation to perform this, by the way. Highly technical.
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I mean, is this one of those things that is put together, shall we say, online between friends and they’re putting it together and someone gets caught because they’re connected to someone who’s connected to someone? Most likely. I don’t know how you unearth this.
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Most likely either that dark web stuff where a lot of people are there reading and they’re all wanting to be, you know, involved and so on. Or this is, you know, a massive, you know, terrorist type organization that has put all of this stuff together, something along those lines. And I don’t know that we’ll know that for probably a few days until they, you know, release more information. But they did they did find it and they basically unearthed it and shut it down. So it won’t happen now.
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Yeah, Dan Bongino basically says you can get it quick or get it right. We’re going to get it right. So we probably won’t hear for a few days, and I’m fine with that. I’m just glad they stopped it.
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That’s great. I am too, and I’m with you, Andy. I’d rather know for sure exactly what went on, who was behind it, and so on, than to have a bunch of conspiracy nuts running around claiming what it is and so on. They were planning on—this just gives you the idea of the size, the scope of this— They were going to, the plan was to send up to 30 million text messages in a minute. 30 million. That would have been catastrophic for the cell network there. Oh, yeah. 30 million. That’s a ton, Andy. That’s incredible. I mean, yeah, that is a boatload. And they’re trying to figure out, you know, one of the things that’s in this particular article from the New York Post is was there any ties to another foreign government? You know, is somebody like Iran behind this?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, John, think of it this way. If you send those out like that way and cripple everything, what are you able to do while everything is crippled?
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Think about emergency services and all sorts of other things that are impacted when something like that is going on.
SPEAKER 06 :
What about theft? I mean, it could be as simple as theft. It could be as horrible as terrorism. It could be something totally different. It could just be crazy kids who hate everybody and want them to suffer. I have no idea.
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Yeah, there’s all sorts of, for those of you maybe that don’t know, a lot of you would think, well, it’s not going to change anything as far as all that goes. Well, yeah, it could because there is a lot of things now that are run via cell providers versus hardwired in. Everything from credit card processing machines to the way that parking lots operate, the opening and closing of gates and how those transactions are completed. And, and, and we go. I mean, there’s all sorts of things. Most people have no concept, Andy, of how many things are run now over the cell network versus hardwired in like they were at one time. It’s changed immensely over the years.
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Yeah, I mean, you’re basically, to a large extent, shutting down society.
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You’re basically, in that case, shutting the city down by doing that.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s exactly right. And if you want to shut down the city, are you just a terrible person who wants people in pain, or do you have some motives, some things you want to do? I wonder if they’re going to track that down next.
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Well, what they’re looking at as far as foreign entities are concerned is because it was involving a timing of the UN meetings at that same time, was this some foreign entity that was involved with this and so on, and who knows.
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Who knows?
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We don’t know any of that. So, again, we’ll know more of this. As Andy said a moment ago, it’s better to be slow and accurate than it is to be speedy and inaccurate. But you can go online and look at some of the pictures that are out there on some of the things these guys were doing. And as Charlie said, you know, this is not a, you know, let’s just say this. This isn’t a teenage science project where these, you know, bunch of kids got together and Hey, let’s go do this. No, there’s far more investment in the technology. Again, for some of you that maybe don’t know, as I’m looking at some of these pictures, these particular devices that they were going to use, these weren’t cell phones. These are actually, how do I call them? If anybody knows what cradle points and things like that are, these are mobile hotspot devices, only much more powerful than what you would have in the little pocket-sized ones you would normally use. And there’s an array of these all put together.
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Okay, so you’re saying that these weren’t techies in a basement. We’re talking about real money that was behind this.
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Correct. One of these devices I’m looking at right now, Andy, was probably – I’d have to go out and look for sure to figure out exactly what these would cost. But I’ll bet you each one of these devices in this picture, I’m seeing racks of them. I’ll bet you each one of these devices, even on the wholesale end of things, is a couple of grand a pop.
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Wow.
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At least. I mean, a regular solid cradle point single SIM unit that just allows a few, probably up to 10 items to connect at once, 10 phones to connect at once. That one item, I have one I do my radio shows remotely off of. So just for an example, that’s what I use when I’m out and about trying to come back to the station. That device alone is $350. That’s a single antenna, one device.
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Okay, trying to be more innocent here. Could it be as simple as trying to humiliate us in the midst of the UN? Could be. I mean, I would think that you want to do more than that. There’s a lot of money to humiliate. Yeah, I mean, look, if it’s me and I’m an evil person, because whoever did this is evil.
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Correct.
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In whatever level they’re evil.
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You’re right, Andy.
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If I’m an evil person and I go through what it takes to do this, I’m doing it to commit great evil, be it theft or harm.
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Theft, harm, other nefarious things that you would be involved in. I mean, who knows, Andy? I mean, at the end of the day, this could have involved everything from kidnapping, assassinations. I mean, folks, I don’t think I’m being outlandish when I say those sorts of things.
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Well, because we don’t know. The sky’s the limit. That’s right.
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You cripple this much of a city at any given time, and the sky’s the limit as to what you could do, Andy. Right. I mean, it’s almost like having the front door, you know, keys to the front door of the bank. Just go in and empty out.
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Could it have preempted the Jimmy Kimmel show? It might have.
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All right, we are back. And somebody just asked me a question. I actually asked Dr. Kelly last Thursday, are cancer cells considered a parasite? I asked that last Thursday, and no, they are not considered a parasite. Please text me back and let me know that you heard me say that. But no, they are not considered a parasite. Parasites can attack cells and different things in our bodies externally. Cancer is internal to the cell is the way Dr. Kelly explained it. So no, they are not considered a parasite. a parasite it’s really really quick back to that whole story on what the secret service found which by the way this proves a lot of what charlie and i and andy talk about on a pretty routine basis which is andy asked the question during the break you know how in the world would they even find what’s going on here and my number one answer back is something charlie always reminds me of people talk
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Must have.
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That’s typically the way these sorts of things get found out is, you know, people talk, people chatter, you know, different, you know, loose lips sink ships, the old saying. You know, they brag. I mean, they’re braggers and all of that. And so they want to, you know, well, we’re going to do this. We’re going to do that. And man, if you only knew how much stuff we had set up, you have no idea what’s coming. Those sort of things start to happen, Andy, because these guys, especially people that are probably not real. How do I want to say this? People that don’t have a lot of self-esteem. I’ve learned through the years they like to brag a lot because it’s their way of kind of producing their own self-esteem is by bragging and doing those. And unfortunately, in the IT world, a lot of those folks, and I’m not bashing anybody, but a lot of them don’t have a lot of self-esteem, Andy. It just goes with the territory.
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No, and they want people to know that they are part of something. Correct. Something’s coming. Something’s coming. Correct. But, I mean, how stupid do you have to be? Let’s take a step back. Okay, I agree with everything you just said, but, John, even so – You are in a small ring of people, obviously, and apparently you’re highly financed by someone.
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Somebody.
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Okay. And that’s somebody, whoever, let’s say, I’m going to say George Soros. Obviously, I have no idea, but he’s a big money guy who does bad things.
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Some millionaire, billionaire guy, or even some country with lots of money.
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But I just want to say Soros so I can use a name. Okay? And so Soros, he’s paying you guys to do this. Obviously, he’s also paying you for your silence.
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To be quiet.
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Yes. To shut up until it is done. Well, but this goes back to what Charlie and I and you… No, I don’t think it was Soros. But you know what I’m saying? Whoever’s the money behind this is thinking… Loose lips sink ships. You had better shut up until it comes. I would be terrified.
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Well, and you bring up a great point, which for all of you conspiracy guys that are out there. Please, listen. Everything Andy just said, he’s spot on, by the way. And the reality is, though, even with all of that, even with the expectation of privacy and you can’t say anything, this thing will go defunct if anybody speaks and so on and so forth. This thing will get thwarted if you guys do. The reality is, they still do. My point is, a lot of the other things that I dismantle on a regular basis… If they were really true, people talk. You would know that those things aren’t real or that there’s something else going on or whatever the case might be. You’d know because people talk. That’s why so many conspiracy theories, by the way, are just not factual because if they were, there would be insiders talking about those very things because this is proof that people talk, Andy. Right.
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That’s why I’m always concerned when people, there are so many conspiracy theorists on the right, and there are more of them on the right than the left right now. There are.
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There are.
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And I have no idea why, because we used to be the smart side.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, we were going to talk about that today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, we’ll talk about it later.
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Yes, we will.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but the big thing is, John, when you throw around these conspiracies, they never have any evidence. And, you know, for instance, let’s say that they say that this guy was sleeping around with a bunch of people. Oh, okay. Well, you can say that.
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How do you prove it?
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Well, but here’s the thing. If this guy is a serial philanderer, a serial whatever, right? Do you have any texts, any emails, any love notes, any hotel reservations, any surveillance? Do you understand everywhere we go today, we are tracked? Correct. Okay, phone logs, anything. Do you have anything? This is why I was concerned when people were throwing around the Epstein stuff too loosely. It’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of bad stuff. But you’re acting like I know this happened and that happened and this happened. And I’m saying you have all the things I just listed. They had none of that for any of those people. And I’m just like, you’re rushing here. You’re rushing because of what you said earlier. They basically want to be somebody who is noticed for coming out with knowing something. And it’s like, guys, you got no evidence. And like you said, people talk. If this person, oh, oh, oh, what about the one, we have this Republican, I forget his name, Weinberg. Up here in Northern Colorado. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you had a number of people who were coming out and saying, we know that he did this at this event. Okay. And his wife is saying, I was there the entire time with him. He didn’t do any of this.
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Great example.
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But they came back and said, oh, yes, and he did with this girl, this girl, this girl. Okay. I just listed out like six different pieces of evidence that you can get. Are you saying that he left no trail with any of those with any of them?
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And as you know, Andy.
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And he didn’t.
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In that particular case, typically people that act like that don’t do it just one or two times. No. It’s a pattern that they probably do continually, meaning everybody would know the guy is a creep. There would be no question about it. Right. That’s typically the way those things work.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and so I just want to caution people, don’t be so quick to pull that trigger, okay, on those conspiracies.
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Thank you, Andy, because I agree with you, and that goes on so many different levels, you know, depending upon the situation. Oh, that was a, you know, undercover thing from the CIA, that, you know, that was this, that was that, there were two shooters, there were three shooters, the bullet didn’t come from here, it came from there. I mean, I can do that on almost any case andy that we start talking about because the conspiracy theorists start running around and i said this yesterday on air everybody becomes a gun and ballistics expert when in fact they’ve never fired one right but all of a sudden they’re an expert on it it cracks me up it’s like time out you you have no you have in most cases you have no idea what you’re talking about you see i come out and boldly claim i am not a gun and ballistics expert expert i’m not well and what i won’t try to be what i said yesterday was i’m not i talk to people who are Well, and I said this, I’m not either, but I’ve been around them enough and I have some basic understanding of how certain things work, how certain shots are made, how certain bullets work, how certain things work trajectory wise and so on. I mean, I have some basic understanding from being around them my entire life and shooting the majority of my, you know, not even adult life. I started shooting when I was probably six or seven years of age. So I have some basic understanding of how certain things work. Even with all of that, Andy, I would be the first to tell you I’m not an expert. No. I’m not. But yet those that aren’t all of a sudden come out of the woodwork and claim to be at the 11th hour.
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You know, one thing that’s really changed for me, John, and when I was first becoming a Republican, all right, and first I became a Christian, and then I became a Republican really at Colorado Christian University because I was hearing all the leftist profs. Back then it was left-wing there, okay? And they literally drove me to the right because I was listening to this saying, wait a minute.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s not right.
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Those are my lines from me coming up on the left. This is garbage. And before you know it, I’m a Republican. Well, back then, Republicans were so smart. They were so slow to buy into any of the kook stuff. I do not know my Republican Party today. I love MAGA. I love traditional Republicans. I love the whole span of Republicans. I love the libertarian edge because I’m very libertarian in a lot of my views. But I got to tell you something. A lot of them are nuts.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I mean, a much higher percentage than I ever thought. Do you recognize the Republican Party now versus 20 years ago?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it’s way different.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
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It’s way different.
SPEAKER 06 :
What happened?
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Well, we’re going to talk about that throughout the show, throughout this next half hour or so, because that was something Andy and I even talked about last week. And so I’m going to throw it in the notes for Tuesday. It’s a really, really great question. And let me give you really quick one example before Andy and I come back. And this is not a bash. This is just simply educationally speaking. We’ve got our morning host, Kim, and I love Kim Munson dearly, and she interviews a gal on there who is a quote-unquote car expert. Laura is her name. And I like Laura to an extent, although my problem with Laura is she’s really not a car person. She’s kind of a car journalist, but she hasn’t grown up in the industry and been a real car person like I consider myself to be. Now, that’s an area where, yes, I consider myself an expert. Well, sure. When it comes to the car end of things, yeah. I’m an expert, probably as much of an expert as most people out there on any platform are when it comes to knowing the history of, you know, working on them throughout all of these years, running different businesses involved, still coaching in that world and so on. And, of course, having the radio show for the past, you know, 27 years or so, Andy, along those lines. And where I’m going with this is, and I love Laura. But she’s way off on the whole EV thing. She’s coming at it completely anti-EV because I get it. Government tried to shove those things down people’s throats. The left was heavy in that. And I understand politically speaking where she’s coming from.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really quick here. Let me jump in. But you don’t form your views off the emotional response to what government forced on you.
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No, you do not. You still have to look at it for what it is. Right. It’s a product. And that’s what I’ve done. And that’s why I’ve owned one since 2020. And for example, one of the things that people like Laura will always bring up when it comes to owning an EV is having to wait to charge it and the cost of charging and so on. And again, because she’s not ever owned one, she doesn’t really grasp how that works. The majority of people, mainly, by the way, Tesla owners… you’ll see a lot of Tesla owners go to fast charge stations and charge up because I believe a lot of Tesla owners don’t have the ability at home to do so. They’re a different group of individuals, by the way, that have bought cars. So you almost have to take them out as an outlier because Tesla owners, for the most part, are not typical car owners. And I mean that with utter sincerity. If you own one… Great. Love you. But typically Tesla owners are not typical car owners and buyers. They even bought the car differently than what you typically do when you go to buy a car. Okay. Because it’s all done online. So they’re their own breed. By and large, most people that own EVs. Never go to a charge station. They have one at home. They plug in when they get home. Right. They’ve got their charger even set if they’ve got time of use like I have. They even set their charger to where it charges when your rates for electricity are the cheapest they are. And at the end of the day, you’re not running around looking for any place to charge because it’s not necessary. You have plenty of range on what you’re doing. And if you charge every night, you start off with a full battery the next day. The reality is you’re never roaming around looking for charge stations, doing some of the things that, in this case, Laura would accuse people of doing that own EVs. Can I ask a quick question? Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
If you fully charge your battery every night, does that make it to where it wears down worse?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, the car itself. Great question. Good question, Andy. All the cars have the ability to set where you want that battery level to be charged to. In the case of the ones I run, I only go to 80%. Still gives you plenty of range. That 20% headroom means the battery life stays really long. Okay. Because you’re not charging it to the max every single time you charge. You’re setting it that 80% mark. All of the cars have the ability on their internal computers to tell the charging station itself, this is how far I want the battery charged once it gets here, stop. And they communicate, by the way, back and forth. The car communicates. It communicates with the charge station back and forth so it knows when it’s at 80%. The car will say, all right, I’m done. Stop charging. Even if it’s plugged in, I’m done. Stop charging. The particular charge unit that I use even tells me in an app with a notification I’m either charging or I’m done. And I know from looking where things are at. Point being. When you don’t own one and you’ve never been through the process that I’ve been through, while she is technically correct in the way she’s explaining things, it’s not real life in the way she’s explaining things. She’s really going off of what she’s been told and what she’s encountered from others and the talking points that our side typically has when it comes to EVs. All that stuff gets regurgitated over and over again. And the problem, Andy, is it’s not wholly accurate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, what I don’t understand is this, John, because, look, we have a lot of negative, and I have negative emotions about EVs because I was forced to pay for them. I do too. Okay, with my tax dollars, I was forced to pay for other people’s products.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. Just like I have utter disdain for public schools because it’s the same situation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. And so I look at that, and I understand that emotion, but then my response to the emotion is very simple. Don’t make me pay for it. It’s not, I hate the product. Exactly. It’s not, you know, I don’t suddenly hate the whole concept of education. I don’t like public education that my tax dollars have to pay for, you know, when other people are going to use it to mold young minds in their political views.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and on top of that, the unions have become so strong that politically speaking, you and I are now paying in our tax dollars for kids to be brainwashed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Why are my tax dollars going to something that’s union run?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, and it’s against everything I believe in. Exactly. Yep, absolutely, Andy. Okay. Fully agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyway, to finish with the cars, my only problem with the cars is don’t make me pay for it, but take them off the market, hate them, come down on them, buy every conspiracy theory in the world about them. Oh, come on. It’s a product.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, and my point is this. There’s a lot of well-meaning people on our side that buy into different things that are going on that are maybe a little bit true but aren’t totally true. And then, Andy, it just drives a lot of that negativity that then really at the end of the day, because anybody that owns one of these starts to realize what these guys are talking about isn’t the way it works for me. My point is you lose credibility when you start going down those paths, which I don’t ever want to do. Right. So we’ll come back. We’ve got more to talk about. Andy and I do. Veteran Windows and Doors is next. If you want to cut to the chase and buy Windows and Doors directly, that’s what you do with Dave from Veteran Windows and Doors. He cuts out the middleman. Talk to him today. Just go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Rand, you are actually our first caller today. Go for it, Rand.
SPEAKER 16 :
My question is, I’ve refrained from buying an EV for these points that I’m going to ask you about. Okay. If you take the cost of the EV versus a comparable gas-powered car in terms of build quality, features, luxury features, you spend more on an EV to get a comparable gas car. Would you agree?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a tough one because when it comes to the EVs, they’ve made them in a lot of ways, Rand, a step above luxury-wise. Now, there’s exceptions to that like the Nissan Leafs and some of the lower-end EVs, which in that case, you can really compare apples to apples when it comes to price, so that one doesn’t count. But when you take… You know, some of the higher-end EVs, for example. No, the typical EV will have more luxury, more technology, by the way, inside of it than its gas engine counterpart will.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, but I’ve heard the build quality on Teslas is not up to par with…
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s one brand where taking Tesla as is, I would agree with you, and I’ve said that many times as a car person. I think Tesla, they’ve gotten better over the years, but their fit, finish, and a lot of their quality, I talked about this this last Saturday on Drive Radio, their interior noise decibel level and so on, it is not as good as a lot of the other manufacturers are when it comes to ice engine vehicles and so on. It’s getting better, but take Tesla out of it, The other manufacturers that do EVs are doing a great job on the fit, finish, and quality of.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, John, really quick here. Let me intrude. You’re buying an EV. Which one do you get?
SPEAKER 15 :
Which one do I buy? That’s like asking what vehicle do you buy when it comes to even a gas or diesel-engined vehicle because there’s so many choices now. What are you using the car for?
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, medium income, driving around the metro area.
SPEAKER 15 :
if I was going to buy a straight EV, I would look at either a Chevy Equinox, which I own one of. It’s a fantastic car, great build, works fabulous, quiet inside. And frankly, and I said this yesterday on air, some of your Kia EVs, by the way, your entry-level, I really shouldn’t call them entry-levels, but your smaller SUV-type EVs on the Kia side, you can’t go wrong on. Go ahead, Ram.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Now, the other question is in terms of resale value, How do EVs depreciate in comparison to gas-powered vehicles?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a great question, and they’re taking a lot of hits on that because they will look like they’re depreciating much faster than a gas-engine car. The problem is when they do the depreciation on them, Rand, they are looking at a regular list price. Most people aren’t paying list price. They will be now because the tax credits are going away. But at one time, when you took the tax credits in Colorado, for example, at $11,500 off of the list price of the car, and then maybe that car depreciated another $5,000 to $8,000, they’re looking at that car as depreciating $20-some thousand dollars, when in reality it’s not because the people didn’t pay full price for the car. They bought the car much less than that. So when you look at it on paper minus the credits, they look like they’re depreciating much faster when in reality they’re probably comparable to an ICE engine vehicle. It’ll be interesting, though, in that world to see exactly how do they depreciate once people start paying full price for them and the tax credits go away.
SPEAKER 06 :
If people are going to get one, though, would you recommend get one now?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’ve got until Monday or Tuesday to buy one with tax credits. At that point in time, everything runs out. So if you’re going to buy one, yeah, buy one then. And I will say this, Rand, I don’t think most people buying EVs are necessarily looking at the resale end of it. They’re looking at that car, probably buying it. And, frankly, this is one of those examples of where a lease might make a lot of sense to people because then you just walk away from the car at the end, turn it in, and walk away to the next car if you want to. I’m not typically a leasing guy, but in this particular case with EVs, it might make more sense for certain individuals. But at the end of the day, that is a factor, Rand. But, by the way, it’s a factor with all cars, including luxury cars. You go buy a high-end Audi, by the way, and you look at the depreciation on an Audi in a year or two, it’s as bad as anything else out there.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s worse.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s worse. There you go. Thank you.
SPEAKER 16 :
What is the cost, average cost, would you say, of the installation and the… equipment to put a charger in your garage?
SPEAKER 15 :
Great question. And that one comes down to you, your home, how it’s been wired, your existing infrastructure that you have now. In other words, your panel that you have. Can you add another 30 to 50 amp breaker? All of that comes into play. That’s a question that, frankly, no one out there, myself included, can give you a direct answer on because there’s a lot of depends in that answer.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, but average price, would you say, just a rough average?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think most people will consider about $2,500 or so being average by the time you buy the charger and install it. But I’ve seen some of them ran that are $5,000. I’ve seen some that are $1,000. It just depends on what you have.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, I got it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They do. They do. They wear out faster because the weight of an EV is much heavier than that of its internal combustion engine counterpart. So because of that extra weight and the fact that it does regenerative braking, your tires will wear out faster on the EV. Now, with all that being said, you’re virtually, for the first 60,000 to 70,000 miles on that car, doing no other maintenance to speak of. You’re not doing any oil changes. You’re not going to do brakes at all because of the regenerative braking. You’re really not spending any money on maintenance, Rand, other than tires.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Now, I’ve also heard that it’s…
SPEAKER 15 :
costs more when you do need a repair on an eevee it’s more costly than a gas powered car and that one again that’s another depends answer it really depends on what goes wrong uh battery life contrary to what a lot of folks on our side of the aisle will say doesn’t happen very often the batteries are good to 200 000 miles plus you can have depending upon the vehicle You know, suspension issues down the road, just like any other vehicle would have. I mean, they have ball joints and control arms and springs and shocks and so on, just like any other vehicle has. Replacing those, though, Rand, is no more expensive than any other vehicle that’s out there. Where it might get a little bit more expensive is if there is a real issue, the diagnosis of might end up, and I say might, might end up being more than its gas counterpart, although… depending upon what happens on some of your gas engine vehicles. You’ve heard me talk about this on drive radio plenty of times. That can get expensive as well. It just depends on what the repair is.
SPEAKER 16 :
Of course. Okay. What other factor? I’ve heard that it’s hard. If you’re an accident in a Tesla, it’s extremely hard to get it repaired in a timely manner. as opposed to a Toyota or a Honda?
SPEAKER 15 :
Great question. No, that’s a good question as well. This one also comes down to the type of vehicle, whether it’s a Tesla, a Porsche, an Audi, a Buick, a Chevrolet, a Ford, a Toyota. Again, all this comes down to how new is the vehicle. How long has the parts suppliers been able to make up and actually find the actual parts that are going to be needed most? In other words, which vehicles are involved in the most accidents? Because, as you know, there’s actuaries for that, and the manufacturer will stock up parts according to what they see need for as far as the part demand is concerned. And by the way, Rand, what you’re talking about can happen on any new vehicle, not just a EV. In other words, how readily available are those parts that have been damaged? How quickly can the collision center get it in and back out? And off we go. A lot of it comes down to the parts availability, but that can happen on virtually any vehicle, not just an EV.
SPEAKER 16 :
But I heard it was a pretty big problem with Teslas in general.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think Teslas in general. Personally, me, and this is me, and I’m not trying to bash them by any means. I’m not trying to bash Tesla. I wouldn’t own one for a lot of the reasons. I wouldn’t own one just because of how loud the interior noise is and how rough riding they are, Rand.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So with all that in mind, would you suggest an EV or a hybrid car?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and this comes down to what do you do mostly with the vehicle? And what I mean by that is if you’re never going to leave our area, and all you’re doing is driving to and from work, and you’re never going to go anywhere outside of the city, which, by the way, that’s the majority of people listening. And a lot of people think, who in the world would ever do that? Most of you listening, by the way. Rarely, Rand, do people take road trips anymore. Andy’s an anomaly. He’ll go on a road trip a couple times a year. I’m weird. I like them. I haven’t been on a road trip in a decade, Rand. I mean, if I’m going to any place, I’m getting on an airplane. I’m not driving anywhere because I drive enough already during the week, so I’m not driving anywhere. But everybody’s a little bit different, so it really comes down to, are you really going to go anywhere outside of the city with the vehicle? And if so, do you have a backup vehicle that you would take anyways? If that’s the case, then buy an EV because your cost of ownership on a per-mile basis will be cheaper than anything else out there, despite what all of our conservative right side of the fence will tell you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. The other question is, I’ve heard that with EVs, the mileage per charge goes way down if you have two passengers in the car, if you run the air conditioner or the heater.
SPEAKER 15 :
I haven’t seen that be an issue one way or the other. And, again, I’ve owned them since 2020. My cost to charge the vehicle up and run it, my wife, for example, in the Equinox, I don’t think ran that vehicle costs us $50 a month to run. There’s no way I could do that with gasoline.
SPEAKER 16 :
What kind of mileage are you putting on it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, she’ll run about 1,000 miles a month or so.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Just for example, so I traded off my 6.2 Chevy, which they’ve got some issues with, with some recalls and so on. So I traded that off not long ago, about six weeks ago, and I got the new Silverado EV Trail Boss. It’s the max range, so it’ll do up to 400 miles on a charge. And even with that large battery capacity, it’s the largest in the marketplace right now, Rand, that battery, if it’s completely empty and I had to charge it up, It would cost me $25 to charge it up. I couldn’t fill the old truck up for the same mileage range. Actually, it didn’t even have quite that much range, but I couldn’t have filled the old truck up for $25. Got it. Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Do you recommend, in particular, any hybrid?
SPEAKER 15 :
If you’re going to buy a hybrid, go buy a Toyota.
SPEAKER 16 :
Toyota? What about the Hondas?
SPEAKER 15 :
Honda’s got a good hybrid as well, but the advantage Toyota has, they’ve been doing it the longest, period, of anybody. They just have the technology down like no one else has.
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, well, you’ve answered a lot of my questions.
SPEAKER 15 :
And again, as you can tell from me, I look at it from the vehicle perspective. And what does that do for you? Not the political perspective, which so many people enter into. And I wish they didn’t.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, all right. Well, thank you for all your help.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re very welcome, Rand. I appreciate it. A lot of great questions, by the way, and that’s probably a segment. I’ll try my best to get Ann to cut that segment out. Andy inserted a lot of great questions. That was a good segment that goes along the lines of not bringing your political bias into the answers themselves, which I don’t think I did there, Andy. No, just talk about the product. There you go. So I’ll try my best to get Ann to cut that out. Up next, Golden Eagle Financial. Speaking of money, talk to Golden Eagle Financial today. Al Smith, find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 14 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. You might play what I did with Rand there on Saturday for Drive Radio because he asked a ton of questions. Although, Andy, you had a couple of questions that you wanted to add to what Rand asked that we might as well go ahead and finish up on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, just minor stuff. I don’t have any major concerns about electric cars, never have. But one is we’re coming into winter. Okay, first of all, of course, they’re not going to run as far on a charge in the winter.
SPEAKER 15 :
Their capacity has cut back some, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I don’t think that’s a big deal. Most people just use them around the urban area, so it’s not a big deal. But I’m just throwing that out. And secondly, what if you get caught in a snowstorm? And I mean really caught. I wouldn’t want to be caught in a place where you are going to have to spend hours using the heater on that charge, and then you still need that charge to get home. That, to me, would be a bit of a concern, just determining where would I go. In other words, in the middle of winter, I’m not taking that thing even very far up the mountains, probably.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a great question. And again, what you’d want to do, of course, is have the vehicle charged up all the way, knowing that you’re full charge. And my wife runs to Breckenridge and back with ours in the wintertime, has never had an issue, one, whether you’re in traffic or not. The one thing to remember is when you’re in traffic and you’re just sitting there. you’re using very little power on all of the systems in the EV itself because you’re not moving. Just running the heater, for example, running some of those sorts of things, the lights, the wipers, and so on, it’s not using hardly any energy. In fact, all of those are being run off the 12-volt battery. that the EV batteries, the DC EV batteries, are being converted to energy to actually charge the 12-volt battery. So there’s very little consumption of the large DC battery that’s in the vehicle itself at that point. So there’s not – there’s – Very little draw if you would, you know, kilowatt-wise. Most of the cars, by the way, all the EVs will tell you. If you’re just sitting still, it will tell you exactly how much am I drawing. For example, in mine, when you’re running in the heat, so same thing. You’re in the heat. You’re running the AC. You’ve got all that going on. Most of the EVs I’ve driven will draw about one kilowatt an hour sitting there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s it. And keep in mind, most of the batteries are going to be 100 kilowatt total. So think about how long you could sit there if you had a decent charge. You wouldn’t want to leave empty. By the way, you’re not going to want to do that anyways. You’re going to want to leave with a full battery. If you do, the likelihood of you being stranded is pretty slim.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Pretty slim. But that’s a great question, Andy. And Charlie, did you have one more question along those lines, too? Did I get all that answered? Oh, the other thing Charlie said was, how do they do in the snow themselves, which was a great question. So for those of you that are listening, this, again, comes down to what tires does it have on it? Did you buy a single motor, which is typically front-wheel drive, or did you buy a dual-motor EV, which means they’re all-wheel drive? I’ll tell you right now, with the right tires in the right mode setting, which each car has the snow mode setting, if you’ve got the right tires, the right mode setting, and the weight of that vehicle, you can go anywhere you want to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yeah, it’s very heavy. It’s pushing down heavily on the tires.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. The heavier the vehicle, the better it’s going to do in the snow because you’ve got more pressure there to actually do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and does it make a big difference to have that weight evenly distributed?
SPEAKER 15 :
Which it pretty much is because that battery is sitting underneath all the floorboards, meaning it’s going all the way across front to back. Okay. To your point, meaning you don’t, like a truck where you put sandbags in the back because even though it’s a heavier vehicle, the back end isn’t. And you’ll fish tail. No, you’re not doing that on an EV because that platform, to your point, is distributed out evenly front to back, meaning you’ve got distributed weight very well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and on top of that, you have very smooth power.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. Now, last but not least, I’m glad Andy just mentioned that. Because herky-jerky power, what does that do? That slips. That’s right. So Andy just mentioned something great, which I’m glad he did. The biggest, for me personally, the biggest reason in owning an EV is the performance side.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, obviously.
SPEAKER 15 :
For those of you that have never driven one. It’s a rocket. Yeah, don’t knock it till you try it. Because the problem is, and Richard and I have even talked about this, my wife and I have even talked about this. When you drive an EV for any kind of length of time at all, and then you go get back in a regular gasoline-powered vehicle, it’s like, holy cow. Where’d all my power go? Because even pulling out into traffic is a completely different experience from a gasoline diesel powered engine than it is an EV because that power is instantaneous. Even on some of the lower end EVs that don’t have, you know, they’re not a performance vehicle or anything along those lines. The zero to 40 time on any of those EVs. is like second to none. There’s very few vehicles, unless you’re in a really high-performance vehicle, you know, Corvette, Lamborghini, Ferrari, something like that, you’re typically, even your 0 to 40 time, Andy, won’t be as great as it is in some of those, you know, $25,000 EVs, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that. That’s how quick they actually are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it’s instant transference of power.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, last but not least, at our elevation, everybody forgets this as well, at our elevation, you can take a performance car that makes, you know, 500 horsepower. Unless it’s supercharged or turbocharged and you’re adding air, a naturally aspirated engine, as you go up in elevation and there’s less air, performs more poorly because you don’t… An engine’s a big air pump. Less air, less fuel, less power. That doesn’t happen on an EV. The way an EV performs at sea level or at… 11,000 feet is exactly the same. They do not change from what’s at sea level to where we are right now, which all of you driving don’t realize. But if you took your existing vehicle and even drove to Kansas, where you’re lower in elevation by probably 3,000 feet, you’ll notice a power difference even going to Kansas versus where we are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 15 :
In Denver, and as you go up the hill, it even gets less and less and less powerful. That is the other advantage that an EV has is it is a flat line no matter what elevation you’re at as far as the power is concerned.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yeah. Why wouldn’t it be?
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, last but not least. My wife doesn’t use this feature, but I do. So does Richard. I love it. In fact, to me, it’s the best part about driving an EV. We call it one pedal driving, meaning when you let off the gas, the regenerative brake, let off the accelerator pedal, I should say. It’s not gas, but you let off the pedal. There’s regenerative braking, meaning that if you learn how to use the pedal correctly, you rarely, if ever, hit the brake pedal. You let the vehicle do its slowing down and speeding up. That’s the one advantage an electric car has is you rarely ever push on the brake pedal because if you drive correctly with the accelerator pedal, you never have to push the brake because the vehicle slows down automatically as you literally come all the way up to a stoplight, stop sign, whatever it happens to be. It is the easiest way you could ever drive, and it really spoils you because then when you get in a regular vehicle, you’re like, oh, crap, I’ve got to push the brake now. You don’t have to in an EV. And they literally slow down quickly enough that in some cases you’ll find yourself feathering the accelerator pedal just to keep things moving along because it will literally take you completely to a stop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, again, for all of you listening, a lot of conservatives that hate them. Don’t hate it until you try one. Don’t knock it until you try it sort of a thing because for a lot of you that are out there listening, they probably fit the bill more than you actually think they would. We’ll play this again as we get into Drive Radio coming up this weekend as well. So if some of you want to replay that or listen to that again, we’ll actually do that. Might even take that little excerpt out and put it on the website all on its own because Rand and Andy both, you guys asked a lot of great questions that went into that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Five-second answer. Subsidies going away. Do you think they’ll lower the prices a little bit? I think they’re going to have to.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, they’re going to have to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, absolutely, Andy. I think they will. Or they’ll have some other incentives when it’s all said and done. So that’s it for hour number one. We’ll be back hour number two in a moment. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 07 :
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