What happens when car companies get it wrong?
This segment of Drive Radio dives into some of the biggest OEM blunders in automotive history—from design flaws to massive recalls that affected millions of vehicles. The conversation kicks off with a breakdown of the infamous Takata airbag crisis, a defect so widespread it led to 67 million recalls across 19 automakers.
From there, the crew explores other high-profile failures, including Toyota’s unintended acceleration controversy, Ford’s Explorer/Firestone tire disaster, and the long list of questionable design choices that forced manufacturers to rethink safety, engineering, and accountability.
But it’s not just about the companies—there’s a
SPEAKER 08 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
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It is a trick question. Watch this. Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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All right, Hour 2, Drive Radio, KLZ 560, myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive, up in Fort Collins, Larry Unger answering phones, and, of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Question of the day, biggest OEM blunders. Now, we’ve had several that have come through, and some of you guys have really great memories, more so than even I do on some things. So we’ve talked about T-Tops and the Ford Pinto and some other things as well. And then somebody mentioned Takata airbags. Now that one, I don’t know if that’s so much an OEM blunder as just the manufacturer Takata. I think the blunder is every manufacturer, literally every manufacturer from Kia to Mercedes says, utilizing them as their airbag supplier. Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, there was no diversification.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was probably the blunder. No one else, you know, and I don’t know at that time, somebody from the inside would have to answer this. Was that their only option? Was that the cheapest option? Was Takata just the biggest airbag maker at the time? But yeah, was that a blunder as far as how many cars were affected in the recall and what it cost? Caught out of business, of course. It was on a massive scale. Huge. Millions upon millions of vehicles.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I don’t know if it was an actual airbag. I guess it was the force with which the airbag was deployed was too much, right? Or not at all. Metal shrapnel and damage. And the shrapnel and so on, yeah. Yeah, so there was… A lot of problems with those Takata airbags.
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I said millions upon millions. 67 million. 67 million. Were recalled because they could explode upon deployment causing severe injury or death. It was the largest, most complex safety recall in U.S. history affecting 19 major automakers.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, exactly. Wow. It’s a good question to find out why were they the only choice. Was it a cost thing or were there just – there was no competition? They had some other edge on that market? I’m not sure.
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And, again, folks, it affected every single automaker out there. Well, 19. Well, basically all. I mean, there might have been a few here and there that didn’t use Takata, but for the most part, yeah, that affected literally, I think, every single – Now, the other one that was on my list next, and this was a big one too – For Toyota. I talked about this on air back in the day. We’ve done drive radio now for a long, long time. And a lot of these, not the Ford Pinto, but a lot of these other recalls and things that we’re talking about, we on air have been through. And Toyota and their unintended acceleration crisis. Now, people were blaming it on everything from engine controls and so on. And what it really ended up being was simple, in my opinion. And this is me. Out of that, you now have floor mat holders and so on. But it really ended up being just a bad design on the floor mat that would get up underneath the pedal and it would make the pedal stick. And then you had dumb drivers that didn’t know how to put the vehicle in neutral and other things along those lines that caused other things. And to me, that was… I mean, was Toyota at fault for the floor mat design? I guess so. At the end of the day, though, was it that as much as the drivers and owners of the cars themselves not really paying attention to things? A little complacent. Yeah, being complacent, not watching the floor mat itself, maybe not keeping the car as clean as it should be and so on. I mean, personally, would I have ever had a problem with that? No.
SPEAKER 12 :
No. Right. But you are the guy that adjusts your floor mat before you get in the car.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I’m looking at things. Right. I mean, I look down as soon as I crawl in.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. So, you know. I do the same. If it doesn’t feel right, I’ll stop and I’ll look. Like, what’s up? You know. But not everybody does that. And I think it was a little bit of the perfect storm, so to say.
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Yeah, I would agree with you there. Again, that’s another one where huge recall affected a lot of things, kind of damaged Toyota’s reputation for a little while. And again, I’m not 100% blaming Toyota for that one. Now, I will say that I think Toyota… was slow, like a lot of manufacturers are. They were slow to accept fault and to look at things. And, you know, there was black box. When black box technology had kind of first come along and they were looking at the black box and what actually was happening on these particular vehicles and why was the throttle stuck open and so on. And, again… I, you know, I’m not blaming Toyota for that one as much as I am some of those drivers at the time. But it also shows you that manufacturers have to make, I hate to say it this way, but they got to make cars idiot proof. Because unfortunately, there are times where people driving them are.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I think you’re right. And it’s a question, where does the common sense come in and how much is a manufacturer liable for in this world that we live in today? Your lack of common sense?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Anymore? When you look at some of the things that the manufacturers get sued over, I think you could say that the manufacturers have to design common sense into the car because no one has it anymore. Yep. Sad but true. Because you look at even some of Tesla’s lawsuits with the self-driving and so on. It’s like, okay, wait a minute. Time out. Why were you letting the car self-drive you in that particular moment anyway?
SPEAKER 12 :
In that situation, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dodo head? It’s pretty complicated for humans. I mean, you’re in the middle of construction, and you wonder why the car doesn’t know what direction to go, and you’re blaming the self-driving at that point when you, of all people, should have been in control of the car, but yet you’re mad because there was an accident that happened because you had that on. To me, that goes back to the whole common sense thing you and I are talking about.
SPEAKER 12 :
It does. And I feel like some people really want to push the envelope and then when it fails, hold the manufacturer responsible. And that’s too bad.
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Somebody also mentioned, this is a good one. Back in the day, there was a big news story on the saddle tanks on the Chevy trucks, which then the trucks got redesigned. I think they were going to get redesigned anyways, but they moved the tanks inboard of the frame instead of outboard. Right. And I mean, Chevy built those trucks with an outboard. fuel tank for a long time, probably 73 to 87 is when they were built on the outboard that way. So 73 to 87. And keep in mind, before that, some of those trucks had the gas tank behind the seat. And that was way back in the early 70s. Right. But anyways, there was a highlight on, you know, those trucks exploding and this, that and the other. And then from a side impact on the side impact, you know, you had to either, you know, gone into an intersection and either pulled out in front of somebody or somebody ran or lied or something. And again, how many explosions and deaths and so on happened from that? Well, the news story overblew everything and made it look a lot worse than what it actually was. But General Motors at that time, most people don’t know this, but if you had a truck back then and you went to buy a new truck, if you had one of those trucks and you were able to trade that in, even one not running, you just had a title. They would give you credit. Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
Because of all the bad press? Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I did not know that. I think you used to be able to get up to – don’t quote me on this, guys. I’m doing this from memory. But I think at $3,000 to $5,000 or something, you could get off the new truck by just trading. Even if all you had was a title, you could trade that in.
SPEAKER 12 :
As long as they had that in their paperwork, they were good to go. I’ve got to be honest with you. I wouldn’t have done it anyways because the vintage immediately after those was what now they call the OBS, the old body style, which is, okay, probably, what, 88 to – Something like that. I much prefer that 73 to 87 body style. Anyway, as far as the industrial design and the looks, I understand the safety factor, but…
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Yeah, at any rate, keep these coming in. Question of the day, some of the biggest OEM blunders, so manufacturer blunders. And in some cases, it may not have even been the fault of the manufacturer. I’ve got some more that we’ll list, but looking for you guys to give us some answers as well. I’ll give you some more that have come in on the text line as soon as we come back. Myself, Pat Schneidt. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Yes, so either the spark plug, for those not familiar, either the spark plug would seize in the head and possibly break off in the head, or you would damage the head pulling it out. In either case, now you’ve got a much bigger problem than just replacing the spark plugs, and the cost of labor is so prohibitive, it really ruined the value of those trucks.
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Yeah, it hurt them, and it still was a fixable thing, but man alive, it was a very hard thing to do. Somebody also mentioned GM had the big wiper motor debacle back in the day. They would, you know, phantom wipe, and they had all sorts of issues on those ends of things as well. So, yeah. Again, just… Was that a rain sensor problem? No, it was in the motor itself. Interesting. And one of the things that folks forget is they think that it was only, you know, only these problems came out of American cars. No, folks. Every company has run into issues with different things, and I’ll get into some of those. Somebody said the Vega aluminum block with a silicone-impregnated cylinder bores, no steel sleeve. Yeah, they were – or silicone, I should say. And they were – yeah, that was – well, the Vega itself. In fact, that’s in my list of things that were blunders. The Vega itself was probably a blunder in and of itself.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow, that’s a strong statement, John. Again, for those of you who don’t know, John is not an economy car fan in general.
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No. And we tried to, we Americans, tried to counter some of what the Asian vehicles were doing back in the day with fuel economy and so on. And all the manufacturers, in my opinion, had their own blunders when it came to small cars and cars.
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We weren’t good at it. We didn’t know what we were doing. But we had to start somewhere. And, I mean, the Pinto and the Vega, yeah, they were not… The best Vega was one that a V8 got put into.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. Back in the day, they made a kit where you could put a Chevy small block in a Vega. Now it was a car.
SPEAKER 12 :
There you go. You can build anything, right? But in mass production, they didn’t come that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
But for some of you listening, even the way… The Vega, you’d walk up and just open and close the door. The same thing was true with the Pinto. I mean, they were just garbage. They were junk. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
The fit and finish was nothing to, it was not remarkable.
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Now, were American car companies the only ones that had blunders? No, folks. And the next one on my list out of AI is Volkswagen and Dieselgate. Big blunder on there. Huge one. Because they lied. They falsified information. I mean, they did things that they should not have done, and it cost them dearly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. That was not just a question of the manufacturing and the design. That was integrity at the top of the company.
SPEAKER 06 :
I will tell you this on Volkswagen, and I don’t think I’m wrong in saying this. I’m not sure they fully have recovered sales-wise from what happened during Dieselgate. And I get it. It’s Volkswagen-Porsche Audi, so it’s a conglomeration.
SPEAKER 12 :
They have their champions.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I get that. But I’m not sure Volkswagen itself, and there’s a K in there, Volkswagen. I’m not sure they’ve ever fully recovered sales. I would agree. From Dieselgate and what happened with consumer confidence through all of that back in the day. Because, man, that TDI diesel engine that they had, which was awesome, and people loved it, and it worked fantastic. Oh, they’re bulletproof. Other than it wasn’t really emissions legal.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. It wasn’t legal, but it runs forever. It did. Good economy, reasonable power. I mean, just a really wonderful car.
SPEAKER 06 :
Here’s why… it was so damaging to them is, A, they cheated, and the reason I say that is, while I like that vehicle, I don’t think it was as big of a deal as even the government made it out to be, and I think they really threw Volkswagen under the bus, but… Volkswagen didn’t play by the rules. The other manufacturers were having to play by the rules as much as they could. Yes, I know there was some issues with Ram and Bosch and so on. But they did not play by the same rules other manufacturers did, giving them, therefore, an edge. And they were selling vehicles that probably shouldn’t have been sold because they weren’t technically emissions legal at the time. And they were taking money out of other manufacturers’ pockets, which honestly didn’t make the playing field level at the time. And in my opinion, that’s why they lost so much consumer confidence.
SPEAKER 12 :
You remember that line from Risky Business? In a sluggish economy, never mess with another man’s business, right? It’s like, yeah.
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And that’s exactly what they were doing at that point in time. So that’s another one. And my point is, every manufacturer, I think I could probably go through, maybe some of the small ones don’t count, but I think you could go through every single manufacturer, and we will on some of these as we go through today on OEM blunders, they’ve all had some. And some have had more than one, which you would think they’d learn after one, but they don’t. They… Because new management comes in, and this guy’s smarter than the last guy, and this, that, and the other. And they tend to focus on things that they probably shouldn’t. And question of the day is, give us your biggest OEM blunder. You guys have been great, by the way. You guys have remembered things that, frankly, I had forgotten. So thank you for that. All right, let’s do this. We’ve got a car review coming up. We’ll do that. We’ll come back. We’ll continue on with Drive Radio. But don’t go anywhere. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Well, let’s get started. 2026 Toyota Sequoia.
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Yes, Dad, this is the 2026 Toyota Sequoia Capstone, which basically, Dad, is the creme de la creme, right? This is the top-of-the-line model. It gives you everything, heated and ventilated front seats, massaging front seats, standard captain’s chairs in the second row, heated and ventilated captain’s chairs to go along with it. You’ve got a lot of standard tech. The surround view camera system is there. This has got the iForce Max engine in it, Dad, which we’ve talked about several times. And we’ll just say, obviously, it’s a hybrid system, and it combines kind of the best of both worlds, right? It’s a dual-turbo hybrid system, so you get some of that instantaneous torque that you love on a hybrid, Dad, or an electric vehicle combined with the turbo engine, and it works really, really well. The one thing I’ll say is this, Dad, and I’m just going to get to it. That means, or does not mean, that you get great fuel economy. Because the old Sequoias, Dad, as you and I know, had pretty… awful fuel economy with the old V8s in them. I will say this, they’ve improved the power aspect of the Sequoias immensely. However, they haven’t fixed the fuel economy piece of it. And what I mean by that is they’re saying that they’re going to get 19 or 20 miles, you know, 22 miles per gallon. I’ll be honest that I was probably closer to 15 to 16. So instead of about 400 miles worth of range of I’m actually probably a little bit closer to the 330 miles of range. Now, is that a preventer of me buying this car or this SUV, I should say? Absolutely not. It’s a fantastic SUV, was able to put the family in it, drive around. It’s got seating for seven behind the third row. It’s not a lot. You’re definitely going to feel at times like you’re lacking, like you need some different, maybe you need to put that third row down or part of that third row, or maybe you need a little bit extra room. It does have kind of this cool shelving system in the back. That’s where you can kind of take out a piece of the floor and kind of create like a two-tier shelf in the back, which is going to do a little bit more options in terms of utility. But outside of that, again, if you’ve got that third row up, I’ll be honest, it’s going to be hard-pressed to get even some soccer balls, some soccer bags, sport bags, things like that in it. However, this car… It feels large, Dad, which is a good thing. And what I mean by that is it doesn’t feel super tight and congested on the inside like some of these SUVs do. However, the way that this car drives does not feel like you’re driving a boat. And, again, if you’ve driven Sequoias in the past, folks, you’ll notice it. It has felt that way, right? It kind of feels like you’re driving this really – this is not that way with, again, with the 2026 Toyota Sequoia Capstone. It just does a tremendous job at kind of combining these different features. My wife even commented on it. My kids commented on it. It was just a really nice car to sit in. Especially this capstone. It’s got retractable running boards. You can turn those on and off. It’s got a lot of other features on it that you’d want. As far as the ride goes, Dad, I was really impressed. It was quiet on the inside. It’s got acoustic glass on the front side windows to minimize wind and road noise. There is a dark American walnut wood grain trim that’s got a back capstone logo on it. The 14-inch multimedia display. 10-inch color heads-up display, 22-inch dark alloy wheels. I could kind of go on and on with the different specifications that I’ll say that in the large SUV category, and that’s what this vehicle is, I think it competes really well. Price point data, again, this is kind of the creme de la creme. You can get a Sequoia, the SR5 category, down for about $65,000 starting at. This Capstone, Dad, with everything that was on it was about $90,000. So a really wide range, and depending on the features that you’re looking for, I think you can kind of get a vehicle outfitted however you would like, right? If you wanted all the luxury features, if you wanted maybe a little bit of a step down, if you wanted some more off-road, Toyota’s kind of got all of the different options that way, and I encourage people to go there. Check them out. But they’ve really done a tremendous job on it. And to me, the only con is just the overall size of the fuel tank. I just felt like with a little bit of driving I had to do over the weekend, I had to kind of fill up a little bit more than I would like. Outside of that, folks, if you’ve got a larger family, more than, you know, four or five, I would highly encourage you to check this vehicle out. Hedge your local Toyota dealer. Test drive it because I really think you’re going to want to put your family in it. And when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. Fred in Lakewood, you are next. Go ahead, Fred.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, talking about manufacturers’ defects. Yes. I had a 73 Toyota Corolla wagon, and it was leaking oil between the head and the block. And I was lucky. I was working in a machine shop at the time, and the boss let me just take a fly cut on the head and… the mating service with the gasket, and it took about, I don’t know, 10, 15 thousands, and that cleaned up the leak. And then I heard later that that was a problem endemic to those engines. It was.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was. You are correct. In fact, I was just going to say to a lot of the forerunners and Tacomas back in the day with 3-liter engines, they had major issues with head gaskets and so on. And again, as we said earlier, Fred, this is not just an American car company problem. Everyone, Toyota included, had blunders. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, hey, great show.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, thank you, Fred. Appreciate it. One thing we were talking about during break, Pat and I, speaking of Toyota, not to throw Toyota under the bus, but they had some massive rust issues with some of the Tacoma beds and so on. In fact, frames on Tacomas were recalled because the frame themselves on some of those would get so bad that literally you’d go into a dealership and you’d see two bays open because they were doing a frame swap.
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And it’s probably, what, mid-’70s all the way into the mid to late-’80s.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, some of the frames were clear up into the 2000s and later. Oh, wow. Okay. The frame recall, I’d have to look that one up. The Toyota frame, let me look at this, Tacoma.
SPEAKER 12 :
So they had just less than adequate corrosion protection. 95 to 2004 and then 2005 to 2015.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, wow. I wasn’t even aware of that last one. Wow. Oh, yeah. So that one was a big one. That’s a big one, yeah. Again, my reminder, folks, is sometimes certain haters of certain companies will say that theirs is the best and everybody else’s is the worst. And no, reality is every manufacturer has had major blunders. I just gave you some on the Toyota end of things. And don’t forget, as I go through this, the next one is Ford Motor Company. And Firestone. Now, that was a tough one because was that a Firestone problem? Was that a Ford problem? Was it a combination of the two? I will tell you personally. that I think that one was a Ford problem as much as it was Firestone. Now, Ford, we’ll tell you, was Firestone. And that, by the way, ruined a relationship that went all the way back to Henry Ford days because those families were good friends and were very, very close. And here’s why. And by the way, it ended a hundred year partnership. And here’s why I would tell you I think it was a Ford problem. That particular vehicle, in my opinion. this is John Rush’s opinion, should have never had passenger car tires in the first place. And so the vehicle was the Ford Explorer around 2000 timeframe. Yeah. And in my opinion, they should have had LT tires from the get-go. And had they had LT tires, they never would have had the problems they had. But Ford, because they’re wanting a better ride quality and so on and probably saving a little money, they ran… P-series passenger car tires on that SUV instead of LT tires. And a lot of manufacturers do this. It wasn’t just Ford that did it. But in the case of the Explorer, because of the vehicle design and weight and so on, lots of people died in accidents because of a tire failure. Ford blamed Firestone. Firestone blamed Ford. Anyways, long story short, that ended a partnership that lasted for a very, very long time.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, to your point, in that vintage, 25 years ago, those trucks, those SUVs were truck-like. They were big, they were heavy, and a lot of people used them like trucks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. And they towed and did all sorts of things with them. In my opinion, those vehicles should have had LT tires. In fact, back when that was going on, we were on air. We were talking about those things. And I was under the impression, still am, if that vehicle had come with LT tires, which in my shop at the time, I never would put a P-series tire back on those. If that Explorer came in and needed tires, we put LT tires on. We told the customer on the front side why. Your ride might change ever so slightly. In most cases, it’s negligible. Most people aren’t even going to know that it’s there, but we put LT tires on instead of PCs.
SPEAKER 12 :
And the difference in those tires is stiffer sidewall, higher load capacity, and yes, rougher ride and more expense, but it’s designed for the vehicle.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and at the end of the day, had they done that, A, neither one of them would have lost face over that because they both did. It hurt Firestone and it hurt Ford. Correct. And had somebody at Ford just said, hey, you know what? This vehicle’s a little bit heavier than even some of our competition. We probably should be running LT tires on this.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that actually brings up a good point. It’s oftentimes not the failure itself, but when a failure is found, how do you handle it? How do you address it? You can do it with character and upstanding… good nature, or you can blame and you can point fingers. The latter is not going to go your way, right? It’s like…
SPEAKER 06 :
And then, again, that one was bad. That one affected 6.5 million Firestone tires. It was primarily their radial ATX, ATX2 Wilderness AT tires that were on the Explorers, Rangers, and Mountaineers, which are all based on that same platform. Now, a lot of the investigations cited that they were underinflated at that time, 26 PSI, where they should have been higher. But, again, I’m going to go back to had they actually had put LT tires on those, they wouldn’t have had those issues in the first place. But, by the way, I’m probably the only one that ever has said that because you’ll never see what I just said in the press anywhere.
SPEAKER 12 :
But it makes sense.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s the way they should have done it. Mickey, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
With the Firestone Ford Explorer mess led to the tire pressure monitors as an excuse for the less educated, no common sense,
SPEAKER 06 :
It did. I mean, I think, Mickey, we probably would have seen TPMSs, but what happened is that just jettisoned it. Just forced it. Yep. It made it come faster.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I just wanted to throw that in.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you are correct. And I was going to add to that, so you took the words out of my mouth, but thank you. No, you’re right. Mickey’s correct. That did lead to TPMSs. In fact, and what I mean by that is it launched it sooner – than what I think even TPMS technology was able to accommodate at the time, because some of the early TPMS systems were garbage. Not some. Most were garbage. Again, we perfected them over time. Yeah, they’re much better today than they were at that time. They’ve become much more unified. And I think that would have come along as time went by anyways. But, yeah, that mandated things. And Mickey’s right. It forced some things to happen that probably wouldn’t have happened otherwise. at that time and again i think ford could have eliminated a lot of um bad faith in product at that time because they lost sales again anytime these things happen you’re going to lose sales and again if somebody a corporate would have just said you know what you know an engineer somebody would have just said you know what i know it’s going to cost a little bit more money but we should we should put lt tires on these Yep, yep. Had they done that, you wouldn’t have had the problems.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I think that’s exactly right. And it’s too bad, really, to see that longstanding partnership fail because of that situation.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is when you could have avoided that with one simple change. What’s my opinion? It’s on the text line. What’s my opinion on rebuilt fuel injectors? 130K on a Kia SUV due for plugs. Intake has to come off. Injectors will be accessible. Zero issues with the original. Clean. No misfires. Bosch no longer makes injectors, so I can’t get new. Okay. then it doesn’t matter what your opinion is. Yeah, I don’t care for rebuilt injectors. But in this case, if you can’t find anything else, you don’t really have any options. And this is a tough one. At 130K, it’s a toss-up as to whether you put them in or not anyways. If there’s no problem and there’s zero issues with the original ones, why not just clean them and put them back in? Right. I think so. And my advice to this particular texter would be I think I would have those professionally cleaned. And there’s some folks around that can actually professionally clean an injector. Out of the vehicle, I mean, not in the vehicle, but out of the vehicle. I think I would clean what you have and put them back in because the chances of a rebuilt injector being any better than what you’ll have doing that, you’re probably better off with what you have right now. Yep, I’m right with you. If they’re working and there’s no issues, there’s no misfires and so on, I think I would clean what you have and put those right back in.
SPEAKER 12 :
And so you’re going to take them out and clean them?
SPEAKER 06 :
Since they’re out anyways. They’re out already. There’s companies around that will actually clean your injector out of the vehicle. There’s videos on how this happens, by the way. There’s chemicals and so on that they can run through, and they can fire that injector rapid fire like you would if it was inside the engine. They can look at the spray pattern and so on and verify that that’s a good injector. I would take what you have.
SPEAKER 12 :
and do that you’ll save money and probably have just as good if not a better injector than you will buying a rebuild well an interesting point too the texture made on the intake manifold coming off so it’s a transverse engine front wheel drive and the ones on the back are harder to get to so if you have some that are better than others and you’re going to put them all back in put the good ones in the back because it’s going to be harder to get to that point you take them out
SPEAKER 06 :
Somebody also texted, OEM blunder of the 3.6 Pentastar engine with a lack of oil on the top end, lifter failure, 2012 Jeep Wranglers, and so on. Yeah, you know what? That one, I can’t argue that one either. That was not a very good engine at that time. Correct. Takata airbags, somebody said, recalls all the way back. Yeah, this is a 2012 Suburban, yes. Nissan CVTs, we already talked about that one. The truck frame’s rusting out. Explorer back then also had recommended 20 amp pressure. Yes, I just mentioned that a minute ago. Most of them were very low, and the 29 PSI was way low. That never should have been the case anyways. And then somebody, same texture, said Cadillac Northstar engine, which that one’s tough because a good Northstar, They worked really well. The problem is they didn’t all work really well. That’s the issue. But the ones that did actually worked very well. Did they have an oiling problem? What was the North Star problem? Oh, they had different issues with heads, head gaskets, different things along those lines. And, again, if you got a really good one, they were great. If they weren’t, they weren’t. Yeah. And that’s kind of true with some of these. I mean, folks, there were some folks back in the day that would tell you the Pinto was the best vehicle ever. Right. It wasn’t, but there were people back then that would tell you that it was. It felt that way. Yeah, it felt that way. So with every one of these blunders, there’s people that had good luck with it. And remember, all of this blunder talk came from Larry sending me the article earlier this week on the GM diesel engine debacle where they took the Oldsmobile gas engine, converted it to diesel. They didn’t do all of the right things they should have. There was even some engineers that were fired over that because they were recommending we need more head bolts and a different head design and so on. And at the end of the day, somebody said, nope, we’re going to run it just like it is. We’re going to put this thing to market even though it’s not ready. And they did. And it was a blunder.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m trying to think.
SPEAKER 06 :
Was that? around 1980 77 to 79 i want to say they had diesel cutlasses and things for a little while and passenger cars um they were in passenger cars and light duty pickup trucks at that time chevy and gmc pickup trucks so anyways uh yeah that was what got this conversation started so give us your best oem blunder myself and patch night we’ll be right back drive radio klz 560.
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. A little over an hour left. Lines are open 303-477-5600. Any question at all that you have on your vehicle, repairs, maintenance, what to buy, you name it. We’re here for you. Answer those questions. And as always, calls always stack up in the last segment. And yet lines are open right now. So, you know, call now. And that way I have plenty of time so I’m not having to rush things through as we get towards the end of the program. 303-477-5600. Talking about OEM blunders. And some of you have come up with some really great ones. Somebody just mentioned a moment ago peeling paint. You mentioned Ford. But, folks, every manufacturer has had issues with peeling paint. Not just Ford on their trucks. I mean, every manufacturer I could go through has had issues with paint peeling at times.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I think some of them still do, to your point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Some do.
SPEAKER 12 :
We service a few fleets with GM Express vans. They peel like crazy. And you see a lot of gray primer running around town.
SPEAKER 06 :
And again, folks, this is not unique to any one manufacturer. We have seen it across the board. And why they can’t get that dialed in, in today’s world especially. I mean, I get it back in the day. We didn’t have the paint technology that we have now. But we have got enough technology today where… there should be no excuse for having bad paint correct by the way tesla that includes you because all of your paint sucks that is one thing they have not got dialed in i don’t know why they cannot get their paint dialed in for nothing you just see like fading problems oh you see all kinds of issues with teslas i mean and again the average tesla owner probably doesn’t know what i’m talking about because they’re not a car person and they don’t understand you know I mean, I can look at a Tesla and even see different colors of panels at times. It’s like, this is not that hard, guys.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that happens when you’ve got different substrate and the panel’s made out of different materials, right? The paint shows differently.
SPEAKER 06 :
And or they may have painted one panel at one time and didn’t do the whole car at the same time. I mean, I don’t know. There’s different ways of doing that. And I don’t know exactly what Tesla’s process is, but I just know that some of their paint quality fit and finish is not… And you would think by now it would be getting better. I was talking to Roy at ProTech Auto Shield the other day about that because he does a lot of Tesla PPF and things like that. The new ones are just as bad as they used to be. No kidding. They’re not improving. They’re not improving. They are not improving.
SPEAKER 12 :
So it’s not a focal point for Tesla.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess, well, my gut feeling is their average buyer. And this is not being accusatory towards their drivers or buyers, but their average buyer are not car people and don’t know, don’t care. Yep, yep. They don’t have an eye for looking at that, so they don’t care. It’s good enough, and we’re going to roll with it. And at that point, I guess it’s good enough, and they roll with it. The other thing on my list here is the Tesla autopilot overpromising. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that’s another one where it’s like, did they really overpromise or do people have higher expectations than they need to? That’s my question when it comes to autopilot. I mean, are they just expecting to sit in the back seat and let the car drive for them because that’s not how it was intended to be?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, and some people do expect it that way. Yeah, they do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they expect that thing to literally drive them from A to B without any interaction on their part. You know, I can just go to sleep, sleep at the wheel basically, and let the car do things for me, which, folks, we live in a day and age to where the technology, I don’t know if it ever will be there to where it can handle every other thing going on around you that humans can see that computers can’t always see. That’s more my question.
SPEAKER 12 :
Can’t always see or interpret properly.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s exactly right. Steve, you’re next.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hi, gentlemen. How are you doing? Good, Steve.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hi, Steve.
SPEAKER 09 :
One of the biggest blunders I always thought was the Y-Block series of Ford that they made in the 50s. I’ve seen some stuff about that, especially on the Internet and everything. And I can remember when I was a kid working at a service station. seeing people and everything tap some oil galleries that were down close to the oil pan and bring it up into the valve covers because they couldn’t get enough oil to the top of the engine and everything.
SPEAKER 12 :
So they had to invent an oiling system.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and they never did those ones. They never did have hydraulic lifters. They had solid lifters. I guess the Lincolns were enough different. They did, but they never had hydraulic lifters. They were all solids. The other thing I thought was weird, the first three years, I think it was 54, 5, and 6 that they made those, they had what they called a load-o-matic distributor. They had a vacuum advance, but no mechanical advance, which seems to me pretty odd. And one other thing, if I remember correctly, they had three different sizes of headboards, one… one short, one a little bit longer, and one longer still. I mean, not to confuse things or anything.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and I’m not a Ford guy, so maybe somebody can answer this for me, but Steve, I’m with you. I never quite understood that whole concept of engine because they had the small block Ford, which, by the way, performed and worked as well and made as much horsepower as that quote-unquote medium block, I think is what they called that one you’re talking about, and I never did understand where that engine fit in with Ford. That’s one to this day I still don’t understand.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that was their first overhead after they quit making the flathead. The small block Ford, the Windsor series, that was such a great engine, that came afterwards.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, gotcha. So the wide block was first?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, after the flathead. It says 1954 into the 60s, yep. After 1964.
SPEAKER 12 :
The last two years in pickup trucks only, but yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
I still remember those and stuff. Now, I know a couple people had them. They lasted for quite a while and everything, but they also changed their oil regularly. And you know how Americans are about neglecting their cars and stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And a lot of times and everything, a lot of them had… You know, scored rocker arms, scored rocker shafts, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, right, right. So, Steve, you just hit on something there that I think is important. Maintenance is the thing. And sometimes if a manufacturer comes out with a new design and the American public is not used to it or has their own preconceptions about how they’re going to maintain it, it doesn’t go well. But yet if they follow the manufacturer’s rules to the T, it would be fine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Probably, yes, probably. But they don’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
They don’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll get on the, yes, I get on the internet sometimes and I see that just rolled in and stuff and see some of the things, some of the cars that they bring in and stuff and mechanical nightmares and stuff. God, there’s some junk out on the road and people are just not taking care of their stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re right. That’s right. Which, Steve, and I get criticized for this all the time because I talk about how much better the new cars are than the old cars. And I think you just proved my point. If you look at some of the new cars that are out there or newer cars out there and how neglected they become and yet still run, Steve, there’s no way on the older cars you could have done that and have them run. Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, I agree with you and stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
So all these people that are always critical of me saying that new cars are better than old cars, you, Steve, the three of us are proving the point because you couldn’t have neglected an old car like you do a new car and have it run. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
For sure, yes, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
What’s amazing to me is there’s still people that think old cars are better.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And it’s like everything else. Maybe in some ways they were. Maybe in some ways they weren’t and stuff. But, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, as far as you and I and others working on them and fixing them, maybe they were a little bit better as far as that is concerned. But as far as longevity, Steve, and, you know, lack of having to do maintenance and so on, I mean, really quick, for all of you listening, we’ve got a couple minutes here, Steve. Just think about wheel bearings. And, yes, all new cars today have sealed wheel bearings. Think about what we did back in the day with repacking wheel bearings, Steve. You don’t do that on a car today. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That was a chore I always hated, yes. It sucked.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. And yet I still have people in a comment talk about old cars are better. Yeah, and you packed wheel bearings every other year. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. No, I agree with you. I agree with you mostly. I’d say 95% of the time they are better and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 06 :
There are a few exceptions that I know, but all in all, yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re talking a little bit nostalgia, a little bit of the heartbeat, you know, there’s positive memories, all that. But all in all, technology is not a bad thing. No. Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, well, I just wanted to throw that in there.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, appreciate it. Enjoy yourself. No, good one, Steve. Thank you. Very good one. You guys today have – I mean, you always surprise me because you guys – I shouldn’t say that. You shouldn’t surprise me because I know how smart all of you are and your memories and the things you guys think about, even the things I don’t think about, even including this one where, you know, what are some of the OEM blunders. And you guys are coming up with things that I had honestly – I literally had forgotten about. You guys have done a wonderful job of – of reminding me of even some of those things you know the t-top thing by the way was one of those i mean back in the day it’s like oh my word you talk about dinking around with things that that yeah they were they were supposed to mean everybody wanted a car with t-tops every young kid wanted a car with t-tops you remember the movie that made it famous oh yeah smoking the band absolutely everybody had to be sexy like everybody wanted one yep and they were garbage Absolute garbage. John, come on. Somebody made a lot of money from that design. Yeah, I’m sure somebody did. And I’m guessing, and now this is a question more for all of you. Did everyone have T-tops or was that just a GM thing?
SPEAKER 12 :
I do believe Ford had it in the Mustang, in the Fox body. Did they? I think so. In the hatchback. I’m pretty sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m looking this up because I thought that was a GM thing, but maybe not. I guess they did. So General Motors had the, I can do this quickly, Camaro, Firebird, Corvette, Regal, Cutlass, Monte Carlo, Fiero. Chrysler and Ford had Mustang, Capri, Thunderbird, Cordoba, and the Laser. And then the Nissan 300ZX, Toyota MR2s, Nissan Pulsar, Subaru Brat. I forgot about that car. And the Suzuki X90. Those also had T-tops. So I guess I stand corrected. Other manufacturers did have them. All right. Another full hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio. Myself, Patch Knight, Alltech Automotive. We’ll be back here in a moment. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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