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On this episode of Drive Radio, the crew dives deep into the world of classic cars, appraisals, and the emotional rollercoaster of buying or selling vintage rides. Burke Payne from BP Appraisals joins the conversation live from the NSRA Rocky Mountain Nationals to offer tips on fair market value, pre-purchase inspections, and understanding when a car is a treasure—or a trap.
Listeners share hilarious and heartfelt stories about the cars they drove in high school (and the ones they should’ve kept), while the team offers practical advice on everything from fuel pump diagnosis to why headers might ruin your restoration
SPEAKER 27 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 22 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado Select Auto Care Centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Pat Schneidt from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Of course, we’ve also got Steve from Geno’s here as well. Crystal Scott from Hands of the Carpenter also. Really quick, somebody texted in, said, 1979 when he was 16, 1979 Trans Am Special Edition 403 Automatic. My two best friends who were twins drove a 72 Dodge Challenger and a 73 Dodge Charger. And my answer back was, should have kept the Trans Am. Worth a decent money today, so should have kept the Trans Am. Mark in Black Forest, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good morning, everybody.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good morning, Mark.
SPEAKER 09 :
Let’s see. So you were talking about a Pinto a little while ago. So my friend had a Pinto. He put a 302 in it, did all the work himself. And I also remember that there was a company who made headers for that conversion. So that was a fun little car. You bet. I do have a question. I’ve got a 2001 Dodge, three-quarter ton, V10. It has, it always won’t, it won’t start until I crank it up for a second time. Okay. And, I mean, it always starts, but, you know, if I crank it the first time, you know, it seems like it cranks too long, so then I’ll. turn the ignition off, and then I’ll try it again, and it’ll start up. And I was wondering what that might be.
SPEAKER 08 :
What year was it again? I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 1 :
2001.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s generally a fuel pump. Yeah, I was just going to say. That’s where you’d have to go with the check valve not working right. Yeah, all that fuel runs back to the back of the tank, and you’re basically repriming the pump each time.
SPEAKER 05 :
One way to check it, next time you go to start it, Mark, when it’s like this, is instead of trying to start it, cycle the key a couple of times. So turn the key on, let it kind of, the pressure will build up, turn it off, turn it back on, do that like three times, and then see if it starts right up. If it does, then Steve’s on the right track. Yep. Fuel pump? Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. All right. Thanks much.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re very welcome, Mark. Great question, by the way. We appreciate it. All right, Burke Payne joining us now. He was on during Fix It Radio, but I wanted to call back in and talk about the classic car end of things. Burke, how are you, sir? Hey.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m doing amazing. How about yourself?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m doing great. Okay, for those that maybe didn’t listen during Fix-It Radio, let everybody know what event you’re at.
SPEAKER 14 :
So we’re down at the NSRA, the National Street Ride Association, Rocky Mountain Nationals down in Pueblo at the State Fairgrounds. I’m walking through a sea of about 2,000 beautiful cars from every manufacturer, make, year you’d be surprised what year.
SPEAKER 05 :
Very cool. Okay, we talked during the first hour, I should say during Fix-It Radio, about diminished value and all of that. For all of you listening, if you’ve had any damage done to a vehicle and you’re involved with the insurance company, by all means, call Burke Payne, BP Appraisals, and he’ll help you with all of that. Now, Burke, one thing I wanted to talk about now is there’s folks out there thinking, hey, maybe I’d like to buy that vehicle. you know collector car that i’ve been looking at or i saw one that caught my eye but i’m not really sure whether the price is in line is it high is it low what can you do to help folks along those lines i can definitely run some numbers for people let them know kind of where that’s sitting um you know where that vehicle sitting in the market right now
SPEAKER 14 :
If someone wants, I can go out and do a pre-purchase inspection where I’ll go out and look at it, look at the body, take the dirty pictures. You and I have talked about it. You can take a picture of a car from 10 feet away and make it look like it came off Barrett-Jackson, but when you get up close and start taking pictures, you can see the orange peel or whatnot in it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Now, when it comes to evaluating those, can you, you know, and I know some of this from you and I doing some dealing, but I want you to explain to everybody how this works. I mean, you can’t necessarily pinpoint an exact price, but you can give them a pretty good idea, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I can give them a ballpark, and we do basically what we call a fair market appraisal, and it basically gives you about a $5,000 range where that car is likely to sell in the condition that it’s currently in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I also will give them what happens if you take it to concourse. What are we looking at the possibilities? The numbers matching concourse car.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And, again, you can also look at that car and say, okay, here’s what its asking price is. Here’s what it’s going to take to get it to that state, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I can definitely give you an idea of, you know, I mean, you start talking about paint, you start talking about framework, you know, all that kind of stuff. You know, what is it going to, you know, what kind of money you’re looking at putting in?
SPEAKER 05 :
Got it. And, again, for everybody listening, that’s where you can then start doing that evaluation, Burke, as to, okay, this car, you know, somebody’s asking, and I’ll use round numbers, 50 grand. But to get it to that condition that you’re talking about might need another 100 grand worth of work, meaning you’re now going to have 150 in that car. And at that point, what’s its value going to be? right and is it worth putting the hundred yeah yeah yeah and i only give out too many details but i looked at the car last weekend partly what i was off doing when i wasn’t here on air and i appreciate by the way josh and justin filling in last weekend so thank you guys if you’re listening for doing that i appreciate that greatly but burke i sent you some pictures and different things and kind of went back and forth on that and that’s exactly kind of what we’re looking at on that particular card i want to give too many details out but similar situation where it’s like okay what is its value today what could its value be on down the road how much is it going to have to be invested to get it to that point so on and so and then the other question starts to become burke do you even want to do that to that particular type of a car the one that i looked at in particular because the originality of that car might actually down the road not now but down the road might actually exceed even going through that build process
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Some of the vehicles, especially, you know, low-numbered production vehicles, you know, you don’t want to necessarily mess with them too much. You know, do you want to repaint, you know, number eight off the assembly line of a Dodge Charger? Do you want to leave it to current paint, even though it’s crackled and peeling and, you know…
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, and those are things, again, that you can sit down and help somebody evaluate. Again, for those of you listening, trust me, it is worth paying Burke on the front side to really know, is this a car that I really want to be vested in, invested in, I guess I should say, when it’s all said and done, because to your point, Burke, you may find yourself getting into a car that either, A, you’re going to be in way over your head and you’re not going to get that money back out, B, some cars, depending upon where they are at right now, could be trending up, or Burke, as you know, could be trending down. So in other words, it might be a car that you’re really interested in, maybe something you’ve wanted to own most of your life, but unless you keep up on that, you may be getting into a car that, Frank, and by the way, at the end of the day, if you still decide to buy the car, that’s your call, but at least you know on the front side, this is the trend that car is doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely, and that’s something with the knowledge that we have in the market and the kind of You know, I won’t call it forecasting because I’m definitely not a fortune reader. But looking at trends. No, but you can see the trends.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah. And I know. Yeah. And I appreciate you saying that you don’t have a crystal ball. But, Burke, like with anything, trends say something. And are trends always going to be, you know, accurate? Not necessarily, although I think you can pretty much look at trends and say, well, you know, something is trending up. That’s good. If it’s trending down, probably not so good. absolutely and you know you never know what’s going to come around the market you know what’s going to be the next hot car right exactly no in fact and i am one of those burke and i’ve taken some gambles on some things that have paid you know off really really well i’ve taken some gambles on some cars that didn’t hold their value as well as i thought they would and and some of that is again you just you don’t know you don’t have that crystal ball what i also know uh this is just advice for everybody listening if you’re in a car right now that you feel is starting to maybe trend down and not hold its value, but there’s some value now? I’m one, Burke, that says unless you love that car for some odd reason, dump it and move on to the next one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. You’ve got to time that market just right a lot of times. And if it’s hot now and you can get your money out and it doesn’t have that sentimental value, then absolutely. If you’re ready to move on to your next project, that’s a move on to the next project.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Agreed. All right, Burke, how do folks get a hold of you, sir?
SPEAKER 14 :
The best way to get a hold of us is 720-295-0108. That’s my direct line. That gets you right to the boss. And I can definitely help you out. You can make sure that your valuation is correct for your insurance or if you’re thinking about selling it. Or you’ve got mom and dad’s car and you don’t know what it’s worth. Before you start putting it out on the market, get an appraisal from us so you don’t leave money on the table.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great point. Great point. Burke, I appreciate it. You’ve been a great help to us and a lot of listeners. I hear from people constantly as to what you have done for them, and I’m very grateful for that, believe me, and I know they are as well.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, thank you so much. We’re definitely enjoying it and definitely enjoying it out here at the NSRA today. And tomorrow until 1, absolutely gorgeous down here. If anybody gets a chance, come down. Stop by the booth. We’ve got some water if you need it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Awesome. Awesome. Well, Burke, thank you as well. I appreciate it as always. Have a great Independence Day as well. I don’t think I’ll talk to you before then, so have a great week next week.
SPEAKER 14 :
I appreciate it, definitely.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Have a great one.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, talk to you soon. And, Crystal, I know that you’re going to head out here in a moment, hands of the carpet or anything else you want to add before you get out of here?
SPEAKER 23 :
Thank you very much for having me.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re very welcome.
SPEAKER 23 :
And I just look forward to continuing to help and serve all of the single working moms that we can and meet new donors and keep doing what we’re doing. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 05 :
We’ll have you back. We talked about that at break, so we’ll keep having Crystal back. And again, yeah, those of you that are out there that have any kind of a car, you’re thinking, gosh, I just don’t know what to do with this. I don’t know that I really even want to sell it. It’s out of my realm even on all of that. We have a great… option for you just go to hands of the carpenter.org and you can look everything up there and get in touch with them and you know basically get thing get that process started is what i’m getting and and i should say this as well those of you that aren’t as handy on the computer because there’s some of you listening that this may fit you you can call as well crystal what phone number should they call
SPEAKER 23 :
303-526-4488.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, 526-4488 with a 303 in front. Perfect. I’ll put it in my notes as well. Yeah, because for some of you that maybe don’t quite have that ability, you can make a phone call as well, and they’ll be happy to take care of you. So, Crystal, thank you. I appreciate that very much. Question of the day. What did your friends drive in high school? Tell us what you drove as well if you’d like. 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. And I should mention this, too. We’ve had Burke Payne call in a couple of times today because of the appraisal side of it and what he can do to help you with that. But all of our sponsors, I want to highlight Burke just because of some of the things that have been going on of late, but all of our sponsors that make this program happen each and every week. Please use them. Let them know you use them. We’ve got folks from all walks of the business world, from, you know, attorneys to auto repair to insurance to you name it. I mean, estate planning, all of that. You name it. We’ve got it all here. And any of them that you would call and use, please let them know you hear them here. We appreciate that greatly. I know it helps them out as well. I know I’ve used a lot of them. And you talk about vetting. Trust me, these are friends of mine in a lot of cases. And not only are they friends of the program, but I use them, know them one-on-one. Trust me, they wouldn’t be a part of what we’re doing if I didn’t know them in that particular aspect because I’m really quick as a plug, I guess, for us. There’s a lot of programs out there. even in this town, whereby as long as your money’s good, you’re a sponsor. That’s not how I do it. It’s not how we’ve ever done it. So unless you’re somebody that I know and can vet and know that I’m going to send somebody to them that I know they’re going to get taken care of in a very proper fashion – They’re not a part of what we do here. And does that mean everybody that’s here is perfect or that every sponsor is perfect? No. But I will tell you that I get very little negative feedback from any of the folks that we work with on any of the four shows that I have. And that alone should say something.
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Well, that’s important because there goes your reputation as well.
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And I hear about it first. If there’s a problem, trust me, I know about it first, and I don’t like problems. And I think I’ve said this many times as well. I don’t look at this as just some big cash cow, so I’m out looking and hunting for sponsors and trying to get as many people signed up as I can. No, that is not what this program is about, nor will it ever be that. So I appreciate all the sponsors that make this happen on a weekly basis. So thank you guys as well. John and Lakewood, you’re next.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hello, John. This is John. Nice to see you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Nice to hear from you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hello. Hello to your guests and a tip of the hat to your sponsors.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great people. Thank you, John.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, I had a friend in high school that had a 67 GTO. Oh, beautiful.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. The goat. It was a cool car for sure. Yep. For some reason, he wanted to swap on a Friday night. And I had a not so cool car. It would be today, but it was a 61 GTO. Impala bubble.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, wow. That car today is worth a boatload of money, as you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I know. I know. The cars that I had that I should have kept, huh?
SPEAKER 05 :
And I think, I’d have to go do some research, but I think even in today’s world, the bubble car is worth more than the GTO. Really? They’re close, but I think the Bobo car, depending upon condition, will top the 67 GTO. It’s certainly more unique. Some of those cars at some of the high-end auctions, depending upon how well they’re done, John, are in the 1 to 150 range.
SPEAKER 16 :
Uh-huh. Well, this one’s a simple old six-cylinder, and I still question in my mind why he wanted to swap, but he did. Because they were cool? Yeah. Yeah, in the day. That’s why. Yeah. Anyway, he was cruising steak and shake on a Friday night with my car and met my new girlfriend at that time because she thought that was me pulling up and he ended up marrying her. No wonder he wanted the car.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now you told us.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that’s the best story I’ve heard.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s why he wanted the car, John.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, had my car, stole my girlfriend and uh, ended up marrying her. So I just got to ask, are you still friends? That was a good story. And, and you know, I liked the outcome of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
You got no Pat asked, you got, you got to hear this. Are you still friends?
SPEAKER 16 :
Unfortunately, Bob passed away a long time ago.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I’m sorry for that.
SPEAKER 16 :
But until then, yes, we were.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Well, that’s good. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Good story. And another, another thing, um, I went down a rabbit hole on the social media thing, and I’m getting inundated with these old window stickers from 57 Chevy, Falcon, you know. And it’s kind of fun getting hammered with all these, seeing Corvette prices and 65 and stuff like that, to have… bought one new and to be one of those few people that have kept those vehicles, wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
That would be, you know, those are stories in and of themselves because there’s not too many original owners of most of those old cars now, as you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Even if you find one, that’s very unique. Most of those have been through, you know, two, three or more owners by now. Even if you find one that’s only been through a couple of owners, that’s pretty rare.
SPEAKER 16 :
Even though the sticker price was not that much at the time, I couldn’t afford them then. I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Same thing, John. I hear you.
SPEAKER 16 :
I guess I’m in the same shape now. I can’t afford them now with the cost they are.
SPEAKER 05 :
They just keep going up and up. Yep. Yep. You’re right. Good stories, John. Thank you. Good talking to you, Paul. Thank you very much. No, I appreciate it. Jim in Castle Rock, go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, John. I just wanted to tell you an experience I had. known about Hands for Carpenter for a few years, and had a 51 GMC pickup that had been totally restored. You actually have a little familiarity with it because your dad and uncle took a look at it for me a long time ago. But anyway, I had a great time with it, took it to some car shows, won a couple of trophies, feel like I had my fun and it was time to move on to do something else, and I donated it to Hands. And BP Appraisals came out and appraised it for me for the tax deduction. Nice. I tell you, those folks at hands are amazing. They did a fantastic job. They turned that into a nice chunk of cash. And BP Appraisals was phenomenal as well. Great. I can’t say enough good about both of them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great. Well, A, thank you for that, Jim. Thank you for what you did in that donation. As you know, that helped a tremendous amount of single moms when it was all said and done, as you can imagine. So thank you for doing that as well. That shows a lot about who you are.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, also, I know you’ve got a lot of classic car owners, and if any of them ever get to that point that they’ve had their fun and time to move on, it’s a great organization and helps them a tremendous amount.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure does. You know what? And I’ll say this as well. In some cases, and Jim, you know what I’m going to probably say here. In some cases, those cars, because of the age of those individuals that wanted those cars, Jim, my dad and uncle, you know, kind of can throw into that ballpark. you would because there’s not as many of those around wanting some of those vehicles some of those cars have already reached their peak meaning the longer you keep them the less they’re worth so if you’re not gonna you know just cash out of it and you want a great donation you want to do something along those lines depending upon the car jim now is the time to do it
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more. Well, thanks for what you do, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you, Jim. No, I thank you very much. You know what? That shows you, Jim, and a lot of you that are listening, the caliber of the listeners that we have that listen to this program. That, Jim, really, you just said it all. You are. Thank you. Amazing man. but I think also shows the caliber of the people we have that we’re involved with here on Drive Radio, the listeners and so on, sponsors, the people that we’re affiliated with, just top-notch. So, Jim, thank you. You said it all. I can’t top that off at all. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, and we were talking during the break there, by the way, and Jim can fully understand this. You know what? In a lot of cases, donating a vehicle versus the hassle of the sale and all of that, Jim, again, thank you. Lord bless you. I can fully understand why you did what you did sometimes because there are sometimes things I sell where it’s like, folks, it’s used. i’m not married to this i’m not warranting this i’m not going to be here to forever to fix this for you you bought it used if you wanted something with a full board warranty that you know you’re gonna that you’re gonna not have any problems with and by the way it doesn’t mean you don’t want any problems it just has warranty with it because even new cars have problems right um you know you just go buy a new one because a used vehicle is just that yeah used used Buyer beware. And even going back to, you know, Burke Payne on the appraisal on some of these, you know, classic cars and so on. It’s a really good idea, especially on classic cars, especially if you’re somebody that’s never bought a classic car or has owned one. to have someone with you to analyze that car, look at that car, tell you what’s been done to the car, how original are some of those things, because this is where it gets really unique in the classic car world. Just give you guys really a quick lesson on some of this. Sometimes upgrades and changes can add value. In a lot of cases, though, upgrades and changes will decrease said value. It depends on the vehicle. There are exceptions. You take some of the early Camaro, early Chevelle, resto mods where they really go through and do it right. Yes, that can add value and even sometimes be worth more money than an original car, especially if it’s like an original six-cylinder car. On the same token, if it’s an original, you know, take a Chevelle, LS6 Chevelle, and somebody has gone in and tubbed it and roll caged it and done all sorts of things, they’ve actually diminished the value of that car and not made that car worth more money if it’s an original big block LS6 car. It gets really dicey on the classic car end of things and what values are. And this is where somebody like Burke can come along and really tell you these are things that have added value or these are things that have taken away value. Because where it gets interesting is a lot of these guys that advertise these cars, they’re wanting to get the big dollars. Right. And they’ve seen a car go through an auction. Mecham or Bear Jackson or whatever, and they think the car is worth this big sum of money when, in fact, it may not be because of some of the things I just said a moment ago. So unless you know some of those things, you can get caught paying more money for a car than what you should have.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I think the other nice thing about having someone like Burke look at a car is it takes all of my emotions out of it. Because if I’m looking for that 1951 Chevrolet pickup, I’m excited when I found it. I’m ready to pay him top dollar.
SPEAKER 05 :
The customer wants top dollar. Good point. Yep. No, Pat, what you just said is cars can get very emotional because if it’s a car that you especially want, to your point, and you look at it and think, oh, I’ll pay that. I’ve always wanted one of those. And by the way, here’s the thing. If you’ve got a lot of money and you want to go ahead and write the check, you know what? Be my guest. Have fun. Do whatever. I mean, if you’ve got disposable money like that and you really don’t care at the end of the day, then you know what? Knock your socks off. But that’s not the norm. Most people do have some sort of a budgetary thing that they’re going through. They only want to pay X amount. They do want to get the best deal they possibly can. They don’t just have money to burn. You know, they’re in a whole different world than that. Those guys that can go to Barrett-Jackson and spend – I watched a car go through – I can’t remember if it was Barrett or Mecham. I apologize. I think it was Barrett-Jackson. In fact, I know it was Barrett-Jackson now that I was watching this clip on one of the auctions. It was Carroll Shelby’s own Cobra, so his car. Nice. And it had been completely restored, done right. I mean, perfect. That’s a crazy car. Yeah. $4 million. Oh, my gosh. Which is one of the highest sales they’ve had on a car like that. And as I watch that, you just shake your head and think, where’s the limit on those types of cars? Well, given there’s so few. of those original cars left, I don’t know that there is a limit because they’ll just keep going up and up and up. But that’s unique. There is a ton of kit cars. This is just a whole other world that you get into. There’s a ton of kit cars on the Cobras. And some will bring more money than others. There’s some good kits and there’s some crappy kits. They’re not all equal. And some of the kit cars actually are probably better cars drivability-wise than the original Cobras were, but they’ll never be worth what an original Cobra was. The original Cobra cars are worth so much money that I don’t know why anybody would ever drive one for fear of it getting wrecked or whatever. I do know somebody that’s a friend of my dad’s that has one and drives it, which is amazing to me because the car is a million bucks plus. But, hey, to each his own. Point being… You really have to understand that car world even to the make and model of what you’re looking at because, no, they are not all equal. Even in – there can be just such small – differences in, for example, engine and transmission combo. It can change the price of some cars, and this is not a joke, 50 grand or more.
SPEAKER 08 :
Really?
SPEAKER 05 :
You take, for example, like an early Corvette. Let’s take like a 67 Corvette. You can have one that’s got the original small block versus a very rare big block car. And whether it’s a Roadster, whether it’s a Coupe, I mean, you can go through all these different things that can change its valuation immensely. And unless you know all of that, you could end up paying way more for a car than what you should. And this is where Burke Payne comes in. And I think for Burke especially, if you’re looking to sell something along those lines, you really should pay him the appraisal price. Find out exactly what the value of that car is before you even list the car. You know then what a good starting price is and what to not go below that. as far as selling that car even out of an estate or something along those lines. So for a lot of you listening where you may even be inheriting cars and things like that as things start to change as you move down the road, we’re going to talk to Worldwide Vintage Auto here at noon. They, by the way, are a good resource for selling some of these cars so for some of you where you don’t want to donate it you’d like to have the cash for whatever reasons maybe you’re not in a position where you need that you know that ride off that donation you may be looking to sell and some of you may be looking to sell that car you buy another car well in that case you need the cash not the donation so if that’s the case worldwide vintage auto is going to join us at noon we’re kind of talking classic car today and i knew some of that because of you know burke and where he was at and what we were doing along those lines and so on so we kind of made that the theme today but the classic car world can be very How should I say it? It’s very inviting because a lot of people want to go back in time and get what they had when they were younger. But you have to be careful because, to Pat’s point, that emotion can get very big. Emotions can get very big, and you can overpay for something that maybe you shouldn’t be. And the other thing you’ve got to look at, too, in some of this, and this is even – Burt comes into play on this, but so do some of our auto shops on this – is did the car get done correctly? Yeah. Is it full of Bondo? Was it painted right? And on and on we go, and that’s where that can get a little bit dicey even. Is it the correct color? Has it been repainted? Is this the original paint? There’s all sorts of things you get into where you really have to know what’s going on and have it dialed in. Now, if you buy the car cheap enough, None of what I said matters. But when you’re looking for some of these people that want top dollar out of the car, you really need to be doing your research and know what all’s involved in it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, for sure. The devil’s in the details. And I think you need to understand what type of person you are. If you’re a collector, you want the original, whether it’s paint, mechanical, whatever. See, I’m the opposite of that. I’m going to buy whatever I want to buy and do whatever I want to do with it. But that makes the car less valuable to someone who wants an original car later.
SPEAKER 05 :
It does. And, folks, I mean, this even goes to the point of even back when I was a kid and when I was a teenager, even putting headers on some of these cars can be a devaluation to what it was original versus having the cat. Oh, you ruined it. You ruined it. Because in some collector’s eyes, you have. Pat’s right. In some collector’s eyes, you did ruin it by putting headers on it. It really should have the stock manifolds back on it. Well, I don’t want it if it doesn’t have headers. And the performance and everything else, yeah, definitely will go down by taking those off and going back to the cast iron manifolds. But that’s the originality factor.
SPEAKER 08 :
You kind of touched on something on this. If you own one, you’re trying to sell a little bit. And maybe you have too much tight in it. You’re asking way out of market. That’s right. And unfortunately, Burke’s going to have to give you a reality check. That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because he’ll tell you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Otherwise, you won’t sell it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, because if you’re way overpriced, you’ll never sell the car. You’re exactly right, Steve. George, you’re next. Go ahead, George.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, as it turns out, the car that my friend drove, this is back in the 1962 year of high school. I guess it was a brand-new 62 Pontiac GTO, tri-power, four-speed. Yeah. What, 389? Is that what they put in them? I’m not a Pontiac guy, but that sounds right. In 62? I’m not sure. I can look it up. What a brand-new beast. You know, some people have all the money and some people don’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
I always wondered, you know, those particular kids, I always wondered myself, George, how did they afford to do it? Where did the money come from, I guess is what I’m really asking.
SPEAKER 17 :
Furniture store, I think, because Dad owned a furniture store. But for him, he was a smart kid and he didn’t abuse it, but it’s like, what… My dad was a policeman. Well, you know what you can afford when you’re a policeman. My dad drove a 58 Olds chromobile four-door hardtop, champagne mist color.
SPEAKER 05 :
what happened that car would rise about two feet yeah and two more miles a gallon too and before I get corrected because somebody will correct us on this George I’ll make sure we make this correction had to be a 64 because that was the first year for GTO so it had to be a 64. okay well then what was that he was driving
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I thought it was a GTO. It was something, because in 62, when we were seniors, he was driving it. So it had to be a 62… Something. I thought it was a GTO.
SPEAKER 07 :
What do I know?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the guy that drove past me that was two years older, I was a sophomore at the time, he had this, like, a 59 or 60… Absolutely gorgeous black lowered Pontiac. It was somewhat longer than an aircraft carrier, two-door hardtop. I mean, and it was almost as wide. And you talk about a gorgeous car. It’s those kind of cars you can put 12 people in the trunk when you’re going to drive it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what, George? He may have had a Tempest because that was kind of the pre-runner to the GTO, so he may have had a Tempest.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Huh. I’m going to have to do my research on that. Well, and they had a trim level called the Le Mans. Yeah, Le Mans, too. Tempest Le Mans. That was their higher level.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, maybe. Maybe you’re right. Well, obviously.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I looked it up because the GTOs didn’t start until 1964. Yeah, but it was a go-round. And remember, just really quick as a side note, because of the movie Ford v. Ferrari where Iacocca was in that, remember Iacocca was the originator of the GTO. Was he?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, how quickly we forget. He wanted something that was different that would set Pontiac or General Motors kind of apart, and they had the Corvette, and even at that time, they didn’t have Camaros or anything like that. So he wanted something that was going to be similar to the Mustang, and that’s where the GTO came from.
SPEAKER 17 :
Has anybody ever called in about a Corvair? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What a beast.
SPEAKER 05 :
I actually drove a Corvair when I was about 15 years of age or so. My dad had a Monza with the turbo, and we were going to keep that, and I was going to buy it. And I’ll just be straight up honest, George, I went and bought a Camaro instead because I did not like that Corvair. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
Have you ever seen one that’s the, what’s it called, station wagon or equivalent? I have, yes. I saw one over in Aurora, and it was the most gorgeous put-together piece of equipment. I mean, it was obviously totally restored. It was down by the Baskin and Robbins, Iliff and Buckley. What a beautiful piece of equipment. May I throw out one other quick thing? Yeah, go right ahead, absolutely. Two weeks ago, when you were talking about I can’t remember exactly how you called the topic. It was those people that drive certain kinds of cars that you know are bad news. That’s right. And when I called in a couple weeks ago, I said, anybody and everybody. Well, and then I thought about it, and I said, next time I talk to John, it’s going to be the WRX. Ah, the Subarus.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
Anybody that drives a WRX, they cannot keep their foot out of a gas.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, no. They run. They run.
SPEAKER 17 :
God. Yeah. You know, they’re unsafe at any speed. You’re funny. That’s right. The only other thing that goes along with that. And you can talk about that sometimes, too. The motorcyclists with the new law that are not supposed to be driving as the cars are moving over 15 miles an hour. Nope. They’re cutting in between.
SPEAKER 05 :
They do it.
SPEAKER 17 :
I see it all the time, George. It’s crazy. Oh, my God.
SPEAKER 05 :
These guys think that we have lane splitting in Colorado. We don’t. We have lane filtering and it’s not the same. And you’re right, George. They all think that just because traffic’s at, you know, 50, 55 miles an hour on a 65, they can just run right down between cars. That is not what that means. They are supposed to be 15 miles an hour or below in doing that. And I cannot tell you how many of them violate that, George. And it’s dumb because part of that, I think, George, is as a state, they’ve done a very poor job of communicating that. These motorcycle riders all feel like we’re California and we have lane splitting, and we don’t.
SPEAKER 17 :
Sure. Yeah, my wife and I were driving home yesterday, and we experienced that. And Lori said, I’m going to get on the Internet right now. And then she clarified what the law was because I said, I wasn’t sure when you’re at speed over 15. what the law says, and she says, well, guess what? They ain’t supposed to be doing that. Nope, they’re not. She’s right. I think if they do it, they’re stupid anyhow. Well, I think so.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s good. Now you’re an organ donor.
SPEAKER 17 :
They’re just insane. You hate to say it that way, John. Well, sorry, but that’s what you become. No kidding. Well, thank you for your time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you, George. Appreciate you very much. Great stories. Buck, Mark, guys, hang tight. We’ll come right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. All right, before we get going, a correction. I shouldn’t, and I knew this. I had it way backwards. I don’t know why I said that. Iacocca was Mustang. DeLorean was GTO. I had that backwards, sorry. And I knew that after I even said it. Anyways, I try to remember everything, but, you know, I’m getting old. Absolutely. What can I say? You mean well. Yeah, I mean well, but I’m getting old. Buck, you’re next. Go ahead. Good morning.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good morning, Buck. You sound like you’re having fun.
SPEAKER 05 :
We are today, absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
Your question of the day about, I grew up in the late 50s and what buddies drove, and I was a ranch kid, and most of my friends were ranch kids here in Cheyenne, and we drove a lot of pickups, Fords and Chevys mostly, and back in those days of When you’re young and dumb, you’ve got to find out who’s got the bestest or fastest. And I had a 56 Ford with a 292 and a four-speed. I was clear. I was way behind. The best pickup we had was a Ford with a Fordomatic. And he was really hot until one of the neighbors bought a GMC. And it had that Pontiac engine in it with the four-speed hydromatic. And everybody else at the end of a quarter was at least two blocks behind. Wow. Did you ever… GMC, did they put that in their pickup for very many years? I only remember it for a year or so.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Pontiac engine? That I don’t remember. I know…
SPEAKER 12 :
This would be probably before you were born, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I don’t even remember seeing too many of those with that engine in it. Now, the hydromatics, of course, that’s its own story all by itself. But the Pontiac engine, no, I don’t remember.
SPEAKER 12 :
According to the Internet. I always kind of wondered why GM, that hydromatic, had some friends that used it with the race. They liked Pontiac.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And they used that four-speed hydromatic. It had that low gear in it for drag racing. That was just the ticket back then.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, Buck, according to the Internet, they only produced that for two years, in 1958 and 1959. Definitely before my time.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, that’s kind of what I surmised. I don’t know whether it was a .389, but it would sure run.
SPEAKER 05 :
The biggest they had was a, according to what I’m looking at, .347? Was that the biggest one they had? Or is it a .370?
SPEAKER 1 :
.370. .370.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, hang on. I’m not saying that right. GMC reduced the bore of the Pontiac 370, resulting in a 336. 336, yep, for the pickup trucks. For the pickups, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it would sure clean the 292s and whatever Chevy was running back then.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m really glad you tested those out, Buck. Yeah, again, I don’t know, Buck, if I’ve ever even seen one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, they were pretty rare. I’m a Ford guy, as you probably guessed, and I think if I had a shot at buying one of those, I would buy one just for nostalgia. Yeah. Because those were as hot as anything going for a while.
SPEAKER 05 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I have one more comment before I get off.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
How come all of the rice burners have to take their mufflers off and drive like the proverbial bat?
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they sound like they’re faster than they are, Buck.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, Buck, I’d just like you to realize that your parents spoke about you and your friends the same way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good one, Pat. Good one. Good one, Pat. Buck, I appreciate you. Thank you. I’m going to squeeze Mark in here before the top of the hour. Go ahead, Mark.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, good morning. A few minutes left. So you’re talking about Legacy Auto. Yeah. And so I couldn’t find a shop in our area that does alignments, and I had taken the Yukon to Legacy Auto in the past, so I thought, you know what, I’m planning on getting tires, but I know that, you know, you’ve mentioned getting an alignment once a year, which I haven’t. I’m guilty on that. But… What I didn’t realize, and, you know, I have this sheet in front of me that shows me kind of the specs of the before and after. But what I didn’t realize was I’ve been having this kind of pain in my hands and my wrists and my arms for probably a year now, probably since I bought this vehicle. And the moment I got in that vehicle, it seemed like all the tension was gone. And it never occurred to me that the alignment of the vehicle would have anything to do with the pain in my wrist.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Interesting. Absolutely. Makes it easier to drive.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. You’re not fighting it. It made it way easier to drive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a great story.
SPEAKER 11 :
And it drove straight. I didn’t think there was any problem with it. as far as, you know, tracking or pulling or anything like that. Because, I mean, honestly, the roads out here are pretty brutal because they don’t always, you know, the semi-trucks are always overloaded when they’re going up the county roads. And so they have divots in the roads. And so the vehicle is getting pulled left or right anyway. So I just thought that was normal. And, you know, coming back from Boulder after the alignment, it felt like the whole front end had been replaced.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 11 :
It was that noticeable.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s awesome. That’s awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that’s a really good story.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I didn’t even realize you were putting pressure on all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s a good story. That’s a great story. Great example, Mark.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I mean, again, it says that they adjusted toe and camber. I don’t know if catcher is even possible to adjust, but it looks like they adjusted both of those. Mm-hmm. And it seems to me, I mean, just from the one drive, because I’ve only driven it the one time just to get back, that it’s not fighting the road as much. And again, the tension in my hands and my wrists was nearly gone.
SPEAKER 05 :
Makes total sense.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I mean, it felt like a brand new car.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, makes total sense. Mark, I appreciate that. I got to run, but thank you as always, man. Appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 11 :
You got it.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Jim in Worldwide Auto. Hang tight. We’ll come back and talk to you in a moment, find out what’s going on over there. As soon as we come back, Hour 3 is next. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 21 :
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