In this thought-provoking episode of Drive Radio, we dive into the intricacies of automotive maintenance and decision-making. Beginning with a fascinating automotive trivia question, our experts discuss the details of ignition timing for classic cars, then swiftly move into a real-world dilemma faced by Jim, who is grappling with a costly coolant leak in his 2005 Duramax Chevy. Our hosts weigh in on the financial and practical considerations of replacing vs. repairing an engine, providing listeners with insights and advice that could save them thousands of dollars in potential costs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 14 :
It is a trick question.
SPEAKER 04 :
Watch this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
SPEAKER 20 :
Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado’s select auto care centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, and we are Backdrive Radio, KLZ 560. Somebody asked me, too, what was the console safe name? And I apologize. The reason I didn’t mention it earlier is I just had to look it up. I bought it on Amazon because I did some researching and figured out that I could buy it there for the same price I could from the company direct. And with Amazon Prime, I got free shipping. And if I don’t like it and want to send it back, no big deal, which is always harder to do outside of Amazon. So I bought it on Amazon. And it’s called a WASAI, W-A-S-A-I, W-A-S-A-I, which I think from doing a little bit of research is the exact same unit that comes in the GM. In other words, it’s the same unit I think the GM puts in from the factory. Don’t quote me on that, but that’s the unit that I actually bought. And I’m on their website right now, and it’s console safe. And I think they make them for just about all trucks. I mean, they’ve got a ton of different makes, models, and so on. And you’ve got the option, of course, to go put in what you’re making model of vehicle and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER 06 :
So it’s customized. It’s not just some…
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it fits that console. In my case, it fits that console just like a glove, and I’m not exaggerating, just like a glove. So anyways, that’s the name brand I bought. W-A-S-A-I, Wasai, I guess is how you would say that, and that’s the one that I bought. Jim in Monument, you are next.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, hi.
SPEAKER 12 :
How you doing, Jim?
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m good. I just got a question. I’ve got a 2005 Duramax Chevy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I’m leaking coolant out of one of the head gaskets.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And this is a trusted mechanic. I’ll use him to work on my Duramax. And he said to replace both of those head gaskets and do all the work that it requires, the total bill is going to be $11,000.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was going to say, it’s not going to be cheap.
SPEAKER 09 :
I knew it was, and I was expecting maybe half that.
SPEAKER 12 :
How many miles are on it, Jim?
SPEAKER 1 :
197,000.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, you’re halfway to an engine at 10K. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. At $10,000? I mean, at that price? And I guess the next question is, what’s the rest of the truck like? Is it in great shape, paint interior? What’s all that like?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, it is. I’ve had several comments, and it’s very nice for $2,500.
SPEAKER 12 :
Personally, I would have him price it both ways. I would look at if we just did head gaskets, what’s it look like, versus if I do an engine, what’s it look like?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a tough one. Because you’re at 200,000 miles. I mean, granted, that Duramax will typically go further than that, and they’re not well-known for having coolant leaks. There’s a lot of those running around that have far more miles on them than that, so I’m not going to say that that’s common. How bad is it leaking?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I have to put two pans under it. It catches. Oh. I mean, it’s not just running out, but it’s dripping pretty good out. He said it doesn’t seem to leak when it’s being driven. Just after it’s on its cool down is when it starts dripping. And it may drip even if I don’t drive it for a few days. It’ll just sit there and just drip slowly. Okay. Okay. I mean, he said, of course, if you do one, you don’t do… No, you do them both. No, no, no, you’re going to do it, you do both.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, he’s right on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, the labor was like $7,200 of that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah, no, in that case, it’s going to be mostly labor. There’ll be some parts, as you know, but yeah, no, the majority of that’s going to be labor. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so I’m just curious.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s where when you do an entire engine, your labor is probably not a lot different from doing a complete engine versus pulling the heads on the unit that you have. And then keep in mind, when you do a new engine, you’re going to get engine, injector pump, injectors, all of the parts that go with it, the turbocharger, all of that. I mean, that’s the advantage of buying a new engine versus… redoing your old 200 000 mile engine yeah are you talking about like a remanufactured engine yep okay i don’t even know why i i haven’t looked for a while on that to see does gm even offer a reman engine for that that’s a good question i would yeah i know we could always go to jasper but i’m not sure even if they do those Yeah, I’m guessing that there’s going to be a – well, I’m very sure that Duramax probably builds an engine. There’s several that – I mean, I’m looking online right now, and it looks like they’re going to be anywhere depending upon what engine you buy. ATK is a builder, of course. There’s several different builders out there. You’re looking from $7,000 to $15,000 on the engine itself. And then you’ve got to put it in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there’s a time to put it in.
SPEAKER 12 :
But you’re going to end up with a new engine versus a 200,000-mile-old engine as far as valves, so all your valve train, your pistons and rings and bearings and cam and injectors. I mean, all of that, Jim, you’ve got 200,000 miles on. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, you’ll have new head gaskets, but honestly.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess the question is, what is your long-term plan for that? Yeah, thank you, Steve. So are you going to keep it two years or five years or ten years?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I use it for work a lot, but the main thing is I pull my camper with it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it’s just so much easier pulling a camper with that than a standard V8. Yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I did look, too. Steve mentioned Jasper. Jasper also has a reman engine for that. Your technician should, if he’s got any kind of, as long as he’s got a legitimate shop, he can buy from Jasper Engines as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
You cannot, but he can.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Jasper doesn’t sell to the public. They only sell to authorized installers. But I’m sure if he’s got a legitimate shop, he passes the test for that. That shouldn’t be a big issue. So that’s an option. He could do a Jasper remanufactured engine in it. And, again, I don’t know what the price would be because, again, they’re all over the map. I’m looking online right now. I mean, literally, they’re everywhere from $7,500 up, depending on – And keep in mind, there’s also ones you can buy that are an upgrade to what you have now, meaning they’ve got more horsepower, torque, and so on. So kind of the sky’s the limit on what you do as far as that goes, Jim.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, I have to do something. I mean, I can’t just… Not Vixit, I don’t think.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can buy… Now, personally, I would buy one complete that has turbo and everything on it. I don’t think I’d buy just a long block. Because you can buy a long block, by the way. It looks like all day long for about $7,500. You can buy heads and bottom end, short block and heads, so make basically a long block. You can buy a long block for $7,500, but it’s not going to have all of your other ancillary things. You’re not going to get injectors. You’re not going to get turbocharger and things like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
But you’re still going to be, I mean, even at that, by the time you buy the other things I just mentioned, you’re still $20,000. Yeah. But you’re $10,000 for not even half of what you’re going to get. I mean, I hate to say it this way, but… You get more than twice as much. Yeah, you’re getting more than twice the value out of doing a complete engine than you are doing head gaskets.
SPEAKER 06 :
But it’s $20,000. It is. And that’s the hard part.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, what you have to look at is longevity-wise and how long… You have to do… Like anything else, I used to even tell my customers when I had my own shops, Jim, this is where you take a piece of paper out and you say, okay, for $20,000, how many miles… How many miles in years do I need to drive this to get that $20,000 back? Right. Knowing a new truck is $100,000. True. And it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
To do the same that this truck does.
SPEAKER 12 :
To go replace your truck with a new Duramax, even the cheap versions are $80,000. Yeah. You go buy a fully loaded one that’s probably similar to what you own, it’s $100,000. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, people are laughing at me right now thinking, no way, John, there’s no way a new truck’s $100,000. Yeah, they are. They’re over $100,000 if you buy a full bore one. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, okay. I just wanted to make sure that— Which, really quick— I didn’t think he was lying to me, but I— No, he’s not lying.
SPEAKER 12 :
And, again, not laughing, Jim, but, you know, when you think, well, it’s $100,000 for a new truck or $20,000 for a new engine, now the engine doesn’t seem so expensive.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Especially if you can get another five to seven years out of it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which you can.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, could you even sell mine the way it is?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. An 05? Yes. An 05, somebody will buy, knowing they’re going to have to do some work to it. You won’t get full price, of course, out of it. Yes, you could sell yours as is. In fact, one thing you could try. I was going to mention this. I’m glad you brought that up. One thing you could try, just to see how it works, is there is a product called K-Seal. It works extremely well. It’s a coolant additive that will go in and find and stop those leaks and might even stop all of them. And if you did get them all stopped, well, now you sell it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. BG actually has a stop leak too. I don’t know if it works as good as KCL.
SPEAKER 12 :
Just my own personal experience, I’ve even fixed, you know, the old Ford six liters, the EGR coolers would get rotted through and they would leak and they would smoke like a sieve because coolant was pouring right into the engine itself. And if you’re in the middle of a snowstorm, Jim, and you don’t have time to stop and put a cooler on, you’re doing everything you possibly can. I had some of those back in the day, literally, where you could pour K-Seal in and I’d make it through the entire winter with that old cooler being bad. So it works.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that’s worth a try for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, you can try that, see how it works. And again, I’m not trying to be, you know, and what I would do selling it would be, listen, hey, I’ve had some issues. I know it’s probably going to need some head gaskets. It’s not leaking now. I did put some additive in it. And that’s what I would do if you sold it on a retail basis. If you went and traded the truck off, you just trade it. Because it’s going to go to auction anyways.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. And what do you think something like that would go for?
SPEAKER 12 :
$20,000 minimum.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, mine, just to sell mine.
SPEAKER 12 :
$20,000 minimum? I think so. Or more?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, once it’s fixed.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, if you get it to quit leaking, it’s worth $20,000 and above. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was just thinking the way it sits.
SPEAKER 12 :
The way it sits, I have no idea. That’s a matter of what will somebody pay knowing it’s leaking. Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you have to have a selected customer.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because most people aren’t even going to look at it. You’re going to need that guy that can go in there and put head gaskets in it himself. And by the way, he’s going to want to pay $10,000 for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
If that. Yeah. He’s going to pay whatever it costs. If that vehicle’s worth $22,000, $23,000, and he knows he’s going to put $10,000 in it to fix the head gaskets, he’s now going to pay $12,000, $13,000 or so.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I understand that. I mean, $10,000 is more than I expected.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, no. Well, keep in mind, that truck running well, even with that kind of mileage, that truck running well, and if it’s clean paint, interior, and so on, it’ll bring $20,000 to $25,000 all day long. Yeah. Because it’s an 05 without all the emissions crap on it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it is nice. There’s no rust at all on it.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, it’s an 05, so it doesn’t have it. There’s a lot of guys looking for that truck because it doesn’t have the emission controls, Jim. Yeah. That’s what makes it worth more money. I didn’t think about that. Okay. There are guys out there looking for that truck. So that’s where, honestly, if you could put the case seal in it, get it pretty well sealed up, even trading at a dealer, they’ll give you that kind of money out of it. Really? Oh, yeah, because they can flip it. They can make money on that truck.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. All right. A lot to think about. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, Jim. Hopefully we didn’t muddy the waters up but give you some other things you can think about on what to do next. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, I got another couple of text messages in on the console that I put in my truck. Again, it’s Wasai, I believe is how you pronounce it. W-A-S-A-I. And you can go to their website directly if you want to. This is what I did. So go to their website directly, wasaisafe.com. dot com so wasi safe dot com look up your part number this is what i did i cheated look up your part number then if you’ve got amazon prime it’ll be exact same price but you get free shipping now you get free shipping on their website as well But with Amazon, as you guys all know, if there’s something wrong and you need to send it back, it’s just a cakewalk. You literally go in. I don’t want it anymore for whatever reason. They give you a little print label that you literally take that label and go to Whole Foods even and drop it off, and you’re done. I mean, the return process is way easier than what anybody else would do. So that’s why I bought it from Amazon. So I looked up the part number. on Wasai’s website, then went to Amazon and bought it from Amazon because it’s exactly the same price, and you get that returnability that you’re not going to get otherwise. So that’s how I bought it. So that’s the safe that I bought for my truck. Don in Littleton, you’re next.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi, John. Hi, Steve. Nice to talk with you guys.
SPEAKER 12 :
You too. Hi, Don.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, I came across an interesting truck, an electric truck, that I thought you might have a comment on. It’s called Telo, T-E-L-O. It’s an electric truck supposed to come out in 2026. Kind of an odd-looking shaped truck.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think I’ve heard of that one before. I think I’ve looked it up before. I’m looking right now. Yeah. I get so many of these. Yep, I’ve seen that one before. Yeah, it is kind of odd-looking.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it is. And it’s not a very big truck either. It’s the size of a Mini.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, kind of a, I mean, honestly, kind of a size of a side-by-side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. I’ve never seen it, but I… I don’t know. It would be interesting to see if it does come out or not.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I don’t know much about that. Is that one they’re going to import? Is it made here? What’s the scoop on it?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I don’t know all the details on it, John. I haven’t researched it. I just saw a picture of it on the Internet, and I thought I’ll talk to John about it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, somebody had sent me something about that a while back as well, Don, and I did not do a ton of research to determine, you know, is it made here, does it have airbags, et cetera, et cetera. The biggest thing on that is going to be can they get it imported.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
If it’s not made here. Don’t they have 100% tariffs? Yeah, and EVs will have 100% tariffs, so that’ll be interesting to see if that actually comes about. Yeah, right. And it’s made here. It’s a California truck company. I just looked up. So that is made here, meaning you’ll be able to buy it here once they come out, if they come out.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can reserve one for $150 if you want to do that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s a pretty low-risk deal.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I guess so. It is a funny-looking thing, though.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is funny-looking. You’re right about that. It looks like a snub-nose kind of thing. Well, and they’ve got other vehicles it looks like they’re trying to come out with as well. Yeah, I mean, from the looks of it, Don, I can’t complain. I mean, I guess it really is going to come down to what’s the price.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know it. It would be interesting to see. Well, you’ve seen the slate truck, you know. I have.
SPEAKER 12 :
That one’s not very good-looking either.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it’s just a little Ford Ranger looks like.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But I wonder with the going away of the rebates.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s going to be the big. Steve was even asking me that at the beginning of the show. What’s going to happen to EVs moving forward? And frankly, my take on it is they’re going to have to figure out a way to do better on financing, either lower the price, do something that gets them back down around what they were with the federal tax rebates that are now going away on Tuesday, the end Tuesday. I think, Don, they’re not going to have any choice but to do some things along those lines or they won’t sell them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s right. They’re going to have to figure out something to make them attractive.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right. They’ll have to stand on their own now. That’s right, which they should have all along anyways.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. On a different subject, have you seen the new Bronco Raptor?
SPEAKER 12 :
I have. I’ve driven one, actually.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, really? Are they pretty amazing? Pretty fast.
SPEAKER 12 :
Personally, they run well. No complaints there. I drove one for a week. It’s been a year ago or so. Yeah, they work very well. They run very well, very strong, all of that. I personally, I hate the look. I can’t stand that super wide. You know, they stick the wheels out, so they put this big, huge, wide fender flare and everything on it to cover up the extra wide tire and wheel package they put on them. And just me personally, I’m not a fan of the looks. But how it worked was really great, Don. Absolutely great.
SPEAKER 08 :
Interesting. I just saw my first one the other day, and, yeah, the fender flares are not real pretty.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re gaudy. I’m sorry for it, but they’re gaudy. I have no other way to say it, Don. They’re gaudy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, somebody hit those flares with an ugly stick.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, man. And by law, you know, DOT, they have no choice but to do that. That’s why they look like that. But they are, in my opinion, that’s one of the ugliest rigs on the road, I’m sorry to say.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. It looked like the Raptor body was bigger than a regular, wider than a regular Bronco body.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s not. It’s just because of the way they do the fender flares and junk on it. Okay, okay. That’s all. The body itself, interior space, all that, no different whatsoever. They just got to put those big flares on because of how big the tires are.
SPEAKER 08 :
I imagine that’s a pricey vehicle, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, I think you’re pushing. I’m looking right now. They’re $80,000 or so. Yeah, 80, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s a lot of coin for… It’s a lot of coin for a Bronco.
SPEAKER 12 :
But they run well. I mean, it’s 400 plus… I think it’s 418 horsepower. I’m looking it up here. 418 horsepower, 3 liter on the EcoBoost. And again, they run extremely well. They got different suspension and everything on them. Yeah, they work fabulous. But personally, if I was going to buy a new Bronco, I’d buy the Heritage Edition if it were me. It’s, you know, 30 grand less money, and I think it looks better.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Well… Always a pleasure talking with you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Likewise, Don. I appreciate it very much. Thank you very much. Let’s get Lucy in before we go to our break. Lucy, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hi, John. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 12 :
Good, Lucy. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Very well. Thank you. First of all, I have to tell you, I always back into parking spaces, and I have since I’ve been driving, which I don’t know too many people who do other than I heard you say you do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
I do. I was taught that way from, you know, I was 12 years of age. I’ve been driving that way since, Lucy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Got it. On my must-haves for a car, my 2003 RX is still running since Ridgeline put in that transmission. As a matter of fact, I have 225,000 on it. But when I get my new NX, of course it will come with most of these, but my must-haves are heated seats so that after a day of snow skiing I can jump in and it’s more comforting. A sunroof because I’m from the convertible era, and my first car was a 63 Bel Air convertible. I have to have an AM radio.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, this is something that I did with that new Subaru when I bought it that it didn’t come with. I tinted the front windows. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because for gals, we’re very kind of… into keeping our looks as good as we can, and sun is very damaging to your skin. I think that’s a girl thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re my hero, Lucy. You’re my hero. Everything you do, everything you’re talking about are some of the same things that I look at. I never gave that a thought about the sun damage. Yeah, the UV rays.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you, Lucy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and just really quick, I’ll add, because I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m going to throw this in. Any of you that have stigmatism in your eyes, guys at ProTech who are our sponsor, Roy and them, they tint my front windshields, which it’s not tinted that you can actually see it’s tinted, Lucy, but it’s got a protectant on it where at night with stigmatism, it gets rid of that flare the lights give off. Really?
SPEAKER 06 :
That little starburst? Oh, it works great.
SPEAKER 12 :
It works fabulous. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good to know. I didn’t do that. When I bought that new Subaru, I knew I wanted the clear bra. I knew I wanted the ceramic coating. And I absolutely had to have the front windows done. But I didn’t even know there was a treatment for the windshield.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. ProTech Auto Shield, they can do all that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And with our intense sun here, that makes sense.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I wanted to thank you for the gun safe idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re welcome.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wasn’t even aware they made one for a car.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re welcome. You’re welcome, Lucy. You’re my hero, Lucy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Anything that makes me feel more secure and safe and, you know, make it harder for the thieves. There you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. Lucy, I appreciate you very much, as always. Thank you for calling in. You’re very welcome. We’ve got a great review coming up. I did a Kia K4 on Monday. Listen up for that. We’ll be back right after that. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Normally this time of the week, again, I have my son with me, and we do a car review on a weekly basis. And since he’s not here, I have one that I will do. In fact, this is a review that I’ve been wanting to do here for a few weeks. And I had a chance to hop in this car about a month ago, right before I went on vacation. And, of course, everything happening since vacation, I didn’t get a chance to get to this as quickly as I would have liked to. And several of you have asked me specifically about this car. And it is the new Kia K4. That’s the name of the car, K4. And there are several different models in the lineup. The car that we drove was pretty well equipped and came in retail price of just under $28,000. So right at that number. That’s the GT line turbo, by the way. So they’ve got a GT line turbo, a GT line, an EX, an LX, or sorry, an LXS, and an LX. The LX starting at $21,990. Now, I drove the one with the turbo engine, and I will say that for our elevation, which we always lose some power at our elevation, it worked well. Now, is this a car that’s going to set land speed records? No, it is not. You’re not buying a high-horsepower car. You’re buying a four-door sedan at a nice entry-level price that in some cases is less money than a used car. So keep that in mind. You can buy this car brand new for less money than a used car would cost and getting the full warranty. And by the way, very nice car. I will say this. When I got in this car, and I’m not exaggerating, and I always ask my wife, okay, what do you think this car costs? We kind of play that game. I never look at the window sticker, the Monroney prior to me hopping in a car because I kind of like to play the game of what do you think this car costs. And I do the same thing because I don’t look because I kind of want to know based upon how well does it drive, how good does it look, what’s the fit and finish like, what’s the interior comfort like, and so on. How noisy is it and so on. One thing I’m going to start doing, which I mentioned on Drive Radio on Saturdays, I’m going to start using a decibel meter on a lot of the cars I drive to tell you how quiet they are on the inside or not. That’s one of the things some of you have been asking for, so I will definitely do that. This is a car, by the way, that gets high 30s, almost 40 miles to the gallon, as far as fuel economy goes. Very well equipped. I go back to what my wife and I both thought the price was, well over $30,000, by the way. We weren’t even close. I thought this car would come in the mid-30s, just the way it’s equipped. That’s how nice it’s set up interior-wise, agronomically, and so on. It’s an extremely nice car, especially when you look at the price. But when you get inside this car and climb in, you won’t think you’re driving a $25,000 car. It’s that well-equipped. And, folks, I’m not exaggerating when I say that. So for some of you that have been thinking about buying a nice four-door sedan, maybe you’ve got a teen driver coming along. Maybe you’re just looking to do something different for your daily driver, and you’re looking for something that’s more on the economical end of things. The Kia K4 fits that very, very well. It’s got a very nice dash layout. The way the screen comes across the entire—not the entire, but— Two-thirds of the front of the car, of the dash of the car, very well laid out. The buttons are easy to find, which it does have some buttons, which actually I really like. So, Kia, if you’re listening, I appreciate that. But they’ve incorporated one big screen that handles all of your – what you’re seeing to drive, you know, speedometer, all of that, plus all of your nav. And if you want to run CarPlay or whatever else you’re doing, all that’s kind of off to the right. They’ve incorporated that into one big screen. For the money. For the money, this is one of the toughest cars to beat because it’s got a nice roomy interior. The trunk is nice and sizable. Again, the engine, no, you’re not going to set any land speed records. But for daily driving, does it do everything you need to do? Absolutely, it does. I did not look to see what kind of offers there are on this car. I would go check this out at your local Kia dealer. And by the way, when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush, both from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason, sent you.
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All right, we are back. Got a message, by the way, from Justin up at Ridgeline in Boulder. He’ll be there until about 2.30 this afternoon. If any of you have any questions on buying a car, used car, want to get rid of your car, whatever the case may be, he’ll be up there taking care of you. So just go to RidgelineAutobrokers.com. Buck, you are next. Go ahead. Good morning. Good morning, Buck.
SPEAKER 10 :
I shouldn’t tell you that it’s a pretty nice day up here, but it is a pretty nice day. Well, that’s good. The weather has got a little breeze to it. And our colors are changing up here, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
So we don’t have to do the I-70 drive.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and I got, just for everybody listening, I’ve had two people send me in pictures from the high country, Steamboat Springs area, also up around Vail, and looks like there’s still a lot of green. I mean, colors are great, but there’s still a lot of green, meaning there’s another week or so of that left.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, it’s… We might run up that way, but we’re going to wait until the middle of the week when everybody else… Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, good idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, you mentioned the Dodge pickups and them not following through on the warranty. Yes. And to my understanding, a lot of it had to do with the diesels. Yes. And the pump, the CP45. That’s correct. I don’t remember which.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, you’re right. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m curious… Why Cummings wouldn’t – Dodge could have leaned on Cummings to get Cummings to help them with the – And that one, that’s probably way beyond, you know, my pay grade, Buck.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know what their agreement back and forth is on that end of things and how that’s, you know, handled internally. I mean, I would think the same, but I don’t know how internally. If somebody does and you want to clue us in, by all means let us know, but I don’t know how they handle that part of it, Buck. I don’t know what their arrangement is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Well, you have a lot better insight into what goes on in the industry than I do.
SPEAKER 12 :
And by the way, the reason I say that is part of what Cummins might come back and say would be, well, you know what, for what you guys need to meet this, that, and the other standards and emissions and so on, we built it to the specs that you guys actually told us to build it to, so now it’s your problem. I have no idea, Buck. I don’t know how that works.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Okay. The other thing is I called you a couple weeks ago and was mentioned that one of the people that I talked to that should be knowledgeable mentioned that he saw all the aftermarket parks came through one big distributor. I have done a little research, and I find that’s somewhat false or fairly false in that Denso… Bosch, all of those companies that provide OEM stuff also provide a lot of stuff to the aftermarket.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s correct. That is correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I was mistaken.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no, and for everybody listening, that is correct. Now, I will say this, Buck, that I think where some of the confusion comes in is those manufacturers can build a lot of different products good better and best products all coming out of the same plant meaning what they build for the oem might be different for this particular aftermarket versus the other part of the aftermarket versus that’s what they do in other words every one of those parts is not created equal i will grant you that And that’s true, but that’s true whether it be, you know, brake pads to some of the rotating electrical to you name it. Sensors. Sensors and so on, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
But if you’re going to have your car worked on or if you’re doing, you know, most consumers have a choice of whether they want to use A, B, or C brake pads depending upon, you know, you can go to, let’s say… all breaks or something like that, and get a cheapy, well, not $100 anymore, but $200 break job, and do it again in six months, or you can spend a little more and not have to go back for several years. So I think that’s a consumer choice.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree with you. To a certain extent. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 10 :
The other thing is, do you think, They’ll ever lower the emission standards, particularly on diesels, knowing how much trouble we’re having with DEF. I’m fortunate. I’ve got a 734, so I don’t need to worry about it. But do you think with Trump in there, or do you think that’s too hot a potato even for them to tackle? I know he’s taken off the…
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it’s a real possibility. In fact, there’s been some talk in and amongst the EPA and the leaders of, and his name slips my mind. I’m sorry, some of you probably have it off the top of your head. Lee, Lee, Lee Zeldin, I believe is his name, Buck. Yeah, there has been talk from him that they want to loosen up some of those, quote unquote, restrictive things that are driving the price of certain vehicles up and frankly, at the end of the day, probably aren’t helping. the emission sides of things anyways. In fact, in some cases, you could argue that there’s more fuel being used and it’s actually counterproductive. And so I think that, yes, I think you could see in this administration some changes along those lines when it comes, you know, for example, one of the things they’ve already talked about changing, I think it’s already in the works, is how far a truck can run when the DEF, you know, when the DEF fluid runs out. Right now, they’re very limited when that fluid starts to run low. They’re talking about changing that to where they could run empty for 1,500 miles, for example.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I was not aware of that. I know in the ag community, these newer tractors with the DEF, boy, after… They’ve been around long enough. Everybody is hunting for the older tractors that are prior to DEF.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. And so there’s some talk along those lines. And if that starts to happen, I think, Buck, yes, you could see even some looser restrictions, maybe is a way to say it, on some of the other guidelines and things that are there now. Now, on top of that, I will also say that I think the manufacturers, you know, the new Cummins engine, for example, they’re coming up with some things internally in the engine that will make it naturally cleaner. The new Duramaxes are that way, whereby the emissions control devices don’t have to do as much anyway. So the manufacturers are also working on things that will reduce some of those costs, I guess you could say. Make it a cleaner motor, basically.
SPEAKER 10 :
Make it a cleaner engine, yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 10 :
Another question. That same pump was also used on the later Duramaxes and the later 734s, as I understand it.
SPEAKER 12 :
The 674s, yes, that’s correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
The 674s, excuse me. That’s correct. How come the Cummings seems to have had more problems with them than Duramax or Ford. Do you have any idea?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think, you know, every one of them uses a little different fuel delivery system, what they do with the injectors, the rail, the pumping system, and so on. Not just the injector pump, but everything that comes to and from it. And everyone, as you know, Buck, you know, there’s difference in an inline versus the V8 and so on. And my gut feeling is it’s because of those differences as to why Cummins had more issues than some of the others did. That’s my opinion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. If you’re running one, you better put a little lubricity in with them.
SPEAKER 12 :
And run really good fuel, yes. In your fuel, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Well, have a good day.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, Buck, great questions. I appreciate that very much. Gary, you got a question on a Kia? Hang tight. We’ll come back and take that. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 12 :
And we are back. Gary in Denver, you’re next. Go ahead, Gary.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, hi, John. Thanks for the review on that Kia. That sounds like the kind of car that I would like to buy.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, it was a very nice car. No complaints with that car whatsoever. Very nice car.
SPEAKER 07 :
Is that car subject to tariffs?
SPEAKER 12 :
Ooh, you know what? I don’t know where it’s made. Hold on a second here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let me… I assumed all those were made in Cleveland. I guess not.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, there’s some that are made here. Let me look. I should have checked that, Gary. I apologize. They are made in Mexico, so they will have some, but not like they’re coming from other countries.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think, is Mexico 50%? I can look it up.
SPEAKER 12 :
15, I want to say right now, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, you might be right, so that’s not too bad.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hang on, I’m looking it up really quick to tell you. I should know this by memory with all of what I’m doing now. Targeted goods are 50, but I don’t think that means they did something different on the vehicle end of things. Auto parts are 25%, but I don’t know what complete vehicles are. It doesn’t say.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I can figure that out. What I was thinking is, Maybe buying that vehicle in a year just so that it’s a used car instead of a new car. You could, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You could. Some of those will be even done on a lease deal. Wait two years and buy an off-lease one for that matter.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s a good idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do that too.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, sometimes I listen to your program to think about investments, and I’m thinking with the expiration of the credits there’s got to be a lot of people shorting stocks that are related to those kind of vehicles. Probably will be. This is probably… The horse is probably already out of the barn.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and as I said earlier, even Steve and I were talking, when it comes to EVs and with the credits going away, what’s going to happen along those lines and what are they going to do? Really good question, Gary, because I do believe, and I talked about this this past week, they’re going to keep selling them. There will be still a certain segment of the market that understands the value and what’s there and so on. And, yeah, there’s a lot of hatred for them, which, by the way, The hatred was more for the way it was handled versus, I think, the vehicle itself. But now that all that’s going away, it’ll be interesting to see how some people might even now embrace an EV where they wouldn’t have prior because of the way they’d been handled.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I agree. The Biden administration really put a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths with the way they handled it. They push those vehicles.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, as you know, Gary, you know, anytime you tell somebody they have to do something versus allowing it to happen on its own, it’s like, you know, trying to make your kid go to bed at night. I mean, it never works well forcing things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. All right, John, I’ll let you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, great comments, Gary. And for some of you listening, Gary’s thought process on how to buy a new car, as we know, all cars depreciate, new and used. New cars, though, especially more than used cars because you’re taking that big chunk right off the top within typically the first year that will slow down. after that but yeah anybody that can wait even a year or two and buy the car they want and find the right car and let some of that depreciation already roll off and buy that car used you know more power to you now the reason why they keep selling new cars is because sometimes getting exactly what you want two years later or even a year later doesn’t always happen and for some people that’s a big deal for some it doesn’t make a hill of beans bit of difference what the color of the car is what the interior looks like what options it has some people don’t care any way shape or form and if that’s you then typically that works out really well for others though steve they want the right color and They want the right interior, and they want these particular options, and, and, and. And it’s why new cars will always be sold is because of what I just said. The only way you get that is by buying a new car.
SPEAKER 06 :
It would be interesting to see in a year or six months how many EVs will come back that were just bought just before this deadline. You know, people buying them for the rebate or buying them because, you know, they want to try it now, and then they’ll say, oh, I don’t like it or I will like it. Good question. So there might be an increase here in six months or a year.
SPEAKER 12 :
I hadn’t thought about that as far as the use sides of things go. You could be right. Now, I think, and we’ve got a minute or so to talk about this before we end the hour. Lines are open, by the way, 303-477-5600. I do think that EV manufacturers, those that are going to stay in it for the long haul, and we know there’s going to be some that don’t, some that do, but at the end of the day… You you’re going to find, I think, some people buying EVs that probably wouldn’t have with the rebates because they just didn’t want to go down that path. And I think you’re going to find some that say, well, gosh, now that the rebates are gone, I’m not really saving as much money as I once was. Why? you know, why would I go ahead and go down this path? And I think you’re going to see both sides of that. And manufacturers, what it’s going to get at is they’re going to have to do something to incentivize the EV sales. That I can almost guarantee you. So they’ll do things like zero interest financing or… Special lease deals or we’ll give you a certain amount of rebate on our own. You know, you can go down the list. I think they’re going to have different incentives knowing that some of these are going away. Because here’s the other thing. Even if they stopped building them, they still have inventory. So they’ve got to get rid of even if they decide to get out of it, which they’re not. They won’t get completely out of it. But even if they decide to slow some production down, they still have a certain amount of inventory in the pipeline that they’ve got to figure out a way to get rid of once the tax credits go away. So one way or the other, they’re going to do whatever they can to figure that out, Steve.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure. And maybe it’s just going to be not making the smaller ones. They’re going to make just the fancy, more expensive. You know, they’re going to try all sorts of different things.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what? What you’re saying, I cannot disagree with you on at all. I could easily see that happening.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, the whole deal for the plug-in hybrid. It wasn’t necessary, but you got a better rebate. Got better rebates. Those, I think, will go away. So that, to me, makes no sense.
SPEAKER 12 :
To me, plug-in hybrids, with the rebates going away, to your point, I think the plug-in hybrids go away, frankly, Steve. There’s no reason for them. Yeah, I didn’t understand that at all. Because the only reason they, for all of you listening, the only reason they did plug-in hybrids was to get the bigger tax break. Other than that, there’s no justification for having a plug-in hybrid. In fact, it just adds more expense to the car that you’re going to get out of that hybrid anyway, so… All right, we’ve got another full hour coming your way. Give us a call. Again, text line open 307-282-22, which it always is. The main line open as well, where you can call in 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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