Listeners are treated to an enlightening discussion on cholesterol’s role in heart health. Discover how myths about high cholesterol have been perpetuated by the advent of statin drugs, and explore why low cholesterol might be detrimental rather than beneficial. The podcast concludes with a candid conversation about how cultural habits in America contribute to obesity and why intermittent fasting could redefine our relationships with food. If you’re interested in transforming your health intelligently, this episode is a must-listen.
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And it’s Thursday. Welcome, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. That time of the week, Dr. Kelly Victory joining us. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
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I’m doing great, John. How are you?
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I’m great. Always a joy to have you. Steve House normally with us. He texted literally about, I don’t know, an hour before the show today and had gotten caught up in a meeting and just isn’t going to be able to join us. We always miss Steve. He’s a wealth of information. Really coming, as you know, from a lot of the admin end of things when it comes to just how hospitals are run and the care and the money sides of things and so on. He’s a wealth of knowledge. But, you know, we’ll go on without him and have a good time either way. And one thing I was going to ask you, I was going to do this last week, and I totally forgot to do it. You have a commercial that Charlie watched, and he actually sent me a little clip of, because I don’t watch much TV anymore. Sorry, I just don’t. I’m busy doing other things typically. But it is involving some, is it diet water? What is it, Dr. Kelly? I’m sorry that I don’t know more.
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No, actually, I believe the commercial you’re referencing is for a product from the wellness company called Drop. It is an oral version of a GLP-1 agonist. Ah, there we go. Okay. So most people by now are familiar with Wagovi or Ozempic, which is an injectable form of a GLP-1 agonist that helps to People will lose weight by decreasing appetite, controlling insulin and decreasing how quickly you move food from your stomach through your intestine. Unfortunately, those injectable drugs, while they are effective in helping people lose weight, they are not without some significant complications, including things like pancreatitis. The manufacturers of Ozempic have just been hit with a $2 billion, with a B, lawsuit related to sudden and irreversible blindness. In part of the optic nerve that causes blindness. So there are some significant issues. This commercial that I made is for an oral version of something similar to Ozempic, similar to semaglutide, which is what’s in the injectable drug called retitutide. It’s taken orally and every day you put a couple drops of it or a few drops of it in a very small amount of water. and take it daily. There are multiple benefits to that. because it’s not injected, you don’t have any needles or the associated problems with taking an injection every week, you also can control the dosing much more quickly because since you don’t just take it, when you take something once a week, you get a huge spike at the beginning and then it tails off over the ensuing six days. If you take something on a daily basis, you can take a much smaller dose every day and get the same effect without having a lot of… Probably a better result, actually, because it’s a more even keel, correct? Exactly. So it keeps more constant blood levels. And it also means that if you have any side effects, you can simply stop taking it. If you’ve injected something, there’s no way to un-inject it. So it’s a much better safety profile. Furthermore, retitrutide, the medication that’s in drop, It has three mechanisms of action. It actually works on three different markers in the body or receptors in the body. It helps to maintain blood sugar at even levels, helps to control appetite, and for a lot of people, shuts off what I call that food noise, that constant chatter, constant thinking about snacking, thinking about carbohydrates, thinking, in my case, about carrot cake.
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Yep, I hear you.
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And wanting to constantly eat something sweet. So the patients who have used it have gotten some good results, but that’s what that commercial was about.
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Awesome. Well, and by the way, thank you for all that because there’s so much stuff out there. And you and I have talked about this in the past. There are folks out there that are extremely overweight. I mean, they’re not trying to take off 20 pounds, Dr. Kelly. We’re talking some folks out there that are trying to remove 200 pounds. you know, plus pounds in some cases. And, you know, my heart goes out to those individuals, and I know they’re looking for any type of help they can get. And in some cases, it’s, you know, it’s not just their diet and exercise. Well, let’s face it, when you’re 300, you know, pounds plus, you’re not going to do a lot of exercising anyway. So you get a little bit of weight off, you’re not going to do anything. So I’m all for whatever folks can do to try to, you know, reduce weight, get rid of some of that food noise. Everybody struggles with different things, as you know, and I’m all for helping people get healthy one way or the other.
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Absolutely. And I think as all things in medicine, and I know I’ve said this many times in the show, but it bears repeating, it always comes down, John, to a risk-benefit calculation.
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That’s right.
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These medications are not without side effects. Clearly, drop, the oral version, has far less side effects associated than the injectables, but all medications have the potential for some side effects. So I don’t recommend it for somebody. If you’re talking about trying to lose, you know, eight pounds before your high school reunion. Then stop eating.
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Go on a week fast and you’ll have it off. By the way, that one’s easy.
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Exactly right. This is not this is not for somebody who’s got five or 10 pounds to lose. Right. This is for people in my viewpoint. who have enough weight that they are putting themselves at risk for other bad side effects, whether it’s the development of diabetes, heart attacks, stroke, osteoarthritis, all of those things. So risk-benefit calculation, as always, should be top of mind before you start anything new. And there’s simply, if you’ve got a handful of pounds to lose, then unfortunately I really think you should do it the good old-fashioned way, It takes a little bit of willpower, but it isn’t worth it to me to risk any, you know, potential bad side effects to lose 5 or 10 pounds. That’s something that you’re just going to have to sort of dial it back.
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Yep, no, fully agree with you. In most cases, diet, exercise, you know, cutting back on the things that you know most people by the time they’re our age, Dr. Kelly, know pretty much the things that put pounds on and take pounds off. I, for one, know. I mean, it’s not that difficult to figure it out as you age. Get older. There are certain things that affect each one of us differently, so know what those are. Have discipline. Wean yourself off. In a lot of cases, Dr. Kelly, and not to harp on this, I talk about this a lot on Wednesdays during Health and Wellness also, but really a lot of what you and I are talking about when you’re that person trying to lose just that, you know, 15, 20, maybe even 30 pounds, reality is it really comes down to, you know, discipline, planning, making sure you’re planning out your weekly schedule. What am I going to eat each day? Even if I’ve got meetings or things like that. Okay, great. How am I going to deal with those things? And really thinking ahead. And if you do that, you’d be surprised how easy that weight will come off.
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Exactly. And it really has to do, I think, John, with redefining your relationship with food. Americans eat constantly. We eat all the time. We rarely most people don’t know you, although people say all the time, oh, my God, I’m starving. You don’t know starving. You know a little bit of hunger, and then we all give in to it, myself included. Listen, you think you have the faintest hunger pang, and you’re reaching for something. We need to break that. And one of the beauties of intermittent fasting, and I’m a huge believer, and that’s actually a misnomer, it’s limited eating window, where you try to go, say, 14 to 16 hours without eating. So maybe you have your last meal at 8 o’clock at night, and you don’t eat anything the next day until 10 or 11 or noon, so that you have a period that’s more like 14 to 16 hours where you don’t eat, is that you start to understand eating. Yes, I’m hungry. I’m not going to die. I can make it till 11 a.m. to eat something. And you actually not only are helping your insulin profile and helping with fat loss and helping all kinds of other things, improving your cholesterol and blood pressure and all kinds of other things. by doing that. But it also helps to redefine your relationship with food. You do not need to eat for something when you get up in the morning. And you do not need to be putting popcorn in your mouth one minute before you hit the pillow at night. You just don’t. And so I think that part of it is that Other cultures, ones that have far lower rates of heart disease and cancer and diabetes, it’s because they have periods of prolonged fasting, whether it’s for religious reasons or simply because it’s part of the nature of their lifestyles. They don’t eat constantly the way Americans do.
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Why do you feel – I have my own opinions on this, but why do you feel that as Americans we’ve gotten to that point where – and I get it. Food is handy. But outside of that, why do you feel like we are a nation whereby – I mean, literally, I mean, even other nations know we eat all the time. You’re right about that.
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Absolutely. Well, it’s a reflection, first and foremost, it’s a reflection of wealth, of the ability to have it. You know, we are a blessed nation who has access, with rare exception, to food, to shelter, to those sorts of things that you don’t necessarily have, certainly in third world countries. You know, there was a time during the Rubenesque period when it was, you know, obesity was in fashion because it reflected being wealthy. It’s hard to be fat if you don’t have means to actually eat. So part of it, I think, is associated with success, with the fact that we are a remarkable nation, but it’s gotten out of control. Furthermore, foods and Robert Kennedy Jr. is spot on about this. Foods have been manufactured, engineered to be addictive. They are very good at it. Believe me, you know, Frito-Lay, McDonald’s, they all know exactly how to make you want more fries, more another burger, more chips. Because they add enough salt and enough sugar to everything to make you constantly, you know, that you’re not satiated. And part of getting back to whole foods, unprocessed foods, is you get remarkably more full. You feel remarkably more satisfied and not like you constantly need to put another handful of chips in your mouth.
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Great point. And again, that’s exactly my thought. On top of that, I think there’s also this misconception that, you know, well, if I’m going to lose weight, I’ve got to eat, you know, five or seven small meals throughout the day. And by the way, for some people, maybe that is your answer, depending upon you, your makeup and so on. But I’ve always said and have learned this the hard way, Dr. Kelly, that losing weight is not a one size fits all. Every person is different. somewhat different. Yes, there are some commonalities where you have to take in less calories than you’re burning. Of course, that’s a pretty common, that’s math when it’s all said and done. But outside of that, certain foods affect certain people differently and you need to know that. What might work, for example, for your spouse may not be the same for you and vice versa. So you have to know you and be able to adjust, I guess I should say, the correct way. And for some people, myself included, Dr. Kelly, I’m one of those where if I want to take any kind of weight off and I get really serious about it, I am that person that eats dinner only. I don’t eat the entire rest of the day until again that evening. I eat dinner again, and if I do that, I can take weight off.
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A hundred percent. And I will tell you that, although I agree it’s very individual, the science really, the more recent in the past, say, 10 years, has shown that what we were told some years ago, that, you know, eat multiple small meals because it’ll keep your blood sugar constant, really was bad advice. What that does is constantly putting fuel in the tank causes you to constantly be producing insulin that does not actually keep your insulin levels where they need to be, and it doesn’t really enhance fat burning. So doing what’s called colloquially OMAD, one meal a day, is a very, very way to lose weight if you can eat one meal a day again you’re prolonging that period of time in which you are not putting any food in which has all kinds of benefits you know limiting going through periods of time hours as I said a minimum of 14 hours a day with nothing in the tank forces your body to turn to fat stores. It forces you to become more efficient at burning fat. It causes your good cholesterol to go up and your bad cholesterol to go down. It takes points off of your blood pressure. It decreases your risk of all kinds of things. So if you can even just get into that 16-8 or even 14-10 in terms of how you eat, that’s great. Doing what you’re saying, eating one meal a day for many people is absolutely a winner. I know for me, as soon as I start eating, once I start for the day, then I feel like I’m hungry constantly. Yeah, you and me both.
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I agree.
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So I just, you know, I’m not generally starving when I wake up, And I just push it off. If I get hungry in the mid morning, I have another I have a cup of black coffee or, you know, do have some water, have something. Yeah. And then and the longer I can push off eating for me is a is a winner. It makes it very easy to control your weight.
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Yep, I agree with you 100%. All right, I’ve got other things along these lines. We’ll come back. I want to talk about cholesterol and that whole topic, which I’m glad you just hit on. We’ll do that as soon as we come back for those of you listening. You can always ask a question, by the way. If you’ve got a specific question for Dr. Kelly, please send me a text message, 307. 282-22. Dr. Scott is up next, and he, just like us, feels exactly the same way about your health, how to take care of you, how Big Pharma is involved in this, and all of that. And he is there to help you live your best life ever. 303-663-6990.
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And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us during this first hour on Thursdays, as she typically is. Steve House is with us as well normally, but today he had a late meeting that came up just out of the blue, so that’s fine. We always enjoy having Steve, but we also understand that he’s got a job to do, which I fully get. So, Dr. Kelly, there was an article, though, that we were sending around to each of us, you, I, and Steve, talking about Alzheimer’s and cholesterol deficiency. And then you chimed in and talked about how this whole cholesterol thing really became a big deal once statins came around. And that was something I had not ever thought of or knew.
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Absolutely. I mean, the reality is I think we’ve been sold a bill of goods with regard to the relationship between high cholesterol and heart disease. We were led to believe all of the sudden, because back in the 50s and 60s and 70s, having a cholesterol of 300 or 350 was not particularly concerning to doctors. High triglycerides were, but high cholesterol was not. All of the sudden, and it just happened to correspond to the advent of statin drugs, those drugs like Lipitor or that are profoundly good at lowering cholesterol. The problem is there isn’t great data to show that that decrease in cholesterol, translates into prolonged life or a decreased risk of dying from heart disease. Furthermore, cholesterol is critically important for a lot of things, including maximum functioning of the nervous system. So there is increasing evidence, actually, that not only does cholesterol that’s too low that’s been lowered significantly, beyond where it should be by one of these satin drugs actually increases your risk of Alzheimer’s and other neurodegenerative diseases, by the way, including Parkinson’s. But there’s evidence now, multiple studies that show that people who had the lowest cholesterol levels, this big study out of Japan and one out of the United States, shows that people with the lowest cholesterol died more of heart disease than people with high cholesterol. So I think that in the same way that The data has been either falsified or misinterpreted. It’s hard to say which. Back in the 60s, the sugar industry, the sugar lobby, paid scientists at Harvard University to say that it wasn’t sugar that caused heart disease. It was fats. And that’s really when this whole cholesterol issue started. The reality is scientists have known for a long time that it’s carbohydrates, specifically refined carbohydrates, sugar, that causes inflammation, that causes heart disease, obviously leads to also increases in obesity and other things. But it is likely that the contribution of sugar and refined carbohydrates to heart disease is higher. far, far higher than fat. And in fact, that’s why you’re seeing this swinging of the pendulum back to not only telling people to eat beef, but cooking potato chips in beef tallow and cooking corn chips in beef tallow, lard, cooking in lard. And who thought we’d ever get back to that? But that’s really where the science has led us. And so I think that I tell patients, I certainly, I personally have high cholesterol, cholesterol that Many physicians, standard trained physicians, would want to treat with a statin drug. I don’t believe that that is what the literature indicates, and I have declined that personally. I think it’s way more about healthy lifestyle, being active, being, getting, you know, I am very, very keen on daily physical exercise. It’s one of the most important things you can do And stopping, you know, I promise you, if you start taking Lipitor or drug like that, your cholesterol will go down 100 percent. It works for everybody. It’ll go down. The question is, does that decrease in your cholesterol? actually help you at all, or is it actually putting you at more risk for other illness?
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Okay, so here’s, you know, because again, as somebody that’s kind of watched this from the outside, I’m not you, not a doctor. I’ve been more involved in this since COVID with the relationship that we’ve had, and I’ve learned all sorts of things along those lines. This particular topic, while we’ve talked about statins, I’ve never really gotten into the weeds like we are right now. So as a novice, and I see these commercials that are out there, and it even gets things on social media where it shows this picture of all of this gunk that’s clogged up inside of your artery, and then there’ll be something about cholesterol going right along with that, and you need to be watching this, that, and the other, and otherwise this is what the inside of your veins are going to look like, and I think it scares everybody to death if they think for a minute that their veins are going to be like two-thirds shut because of whatever, cholesterol in this case, because that’s what they’re actually advertising. So as a novice like myself and others that are listening, What’s the real truth? In other words, what’s causing that plaque buildup, I guess, is my question.
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Well, it’s a great question. I think there’s an awful lot that we don’t know. A lot of it, however, is related to inflammation. We know that inflammation is the boogeyman. and anything that causes increased inflammation, which includes, by the way, sugar. You know, sugar is pro-inflammatory. One of the most important things you can do to decrease your symptoms from any inflammatory process is to decrease the amount of sugar that you take in. So it is likely a combination of things. but a combination of some micro-inflammation of the vessel walls, the lining of the blood vessels, along with other genetic factors. We know that there’s a genetic component to atherosclerotic disease. Some people deposit calcium within their vessels. Other people don’t. If you have high cholesterol, one thing I suggest that people do before you necessarily panic or start on a statin drug is to get a calcium score. A calcium score is a very simple test. It’s fundamentally a CAT scan that looks to see if there’s evidence of calcium within your blood vessels. That is a reflection of how much plaque is in the blood vessels as well. So if your cholesterol is very high, the number, the lab number, but your calcium score is very, very low, In other words, it says your cholesterol is high, but it isn’t causing it to lay down and clog up your arteries. Okay? Okay. So if on the other hand, your cholesterol is high or moderately high and you get a calcium score and… you see evidence of, you know, a lot of plaque in your arteries. Well, then maybe you’re one of those people for whom a statin drug or other cholesterol lowering therapies might be indicated because maybe it is a reflection that for you, the cholesterol is ending up where you don’t want it on the inside of your blood vessels.
SPEAKER 15 :
Very interesting. Again, I think a lot of us – and I think their marketing, by the way, is huge, and that’s where I was going with this. They’ve done a great job, myself included, of really painting this picture of all cholesterol bad. Of course, that’s – and I also know that from you and others, there’s good, there’s bad. I get that now, and I think people are learning more about that. Yeah. For years, we’ve been painted this picture of here’s what the inside of your veins are going to look like. If you don’t do this, this, and this, and if you eat this, this, and this, that’s what they’re going to look like. And the only way to get around that now is to either go in and get some sort of a surgery, some sort of a stint, something along those lines, or you’re going to have to be on one of these drugs, or, by the way, a combination of the two. That’s the only answer that you’re going to have at the end of the day. Nobody talks about the things you just said, by the way.
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Exactly. And so I think it isn’t the same one-size-fits-all for everyone. They said maybe for some people, high cholesterol perhaps does translate into coronary artery disease. But for many others, it doesn’t. And I can say for myself, I’m sharing my own personal data, which is that my cholesterol is almost 300. My total cholesterol is almost 300. My, quote, good cholesterol, HDLs, are very high. So a lot of that is, you know, accounted for by my high HDLs, which is a reflection of the amount of physical activity that I do. But still, my total cholesterol, your average cardiologist would say, Kelly, you need to be on a statin drug. And my own internist, who happens to be a friend, said the same thing. And I said, let’s do this. We made a bet. We laughed. I said… My cholesterol is 300. I said, I’m going to go get a calcium score. If my calcium scores go from zero to a thousand. And so I said, if my calcium score is 300 or above, I’ll think about starting a statin. If it’s 300 or below, meaning there’s no calcium, no plaque in my arteries, then I won’t. I went and got a calcium score. My calcium score, zero. Wow. Zero.
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Wow.
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Zero. Zero. john so i said to her i am not doing that zero i said why would i take a drug that has known side effects including you know causes arthritis muscle aches and you know a fair percentage of people 20 plus percent of people get have really bad joint issues and it can decrease you know i’ll decrease my cholesterol all right but make in the process increase my risk of things like alzheimer’s and parkinson’s so i think that It is one of those things that is not quite so. Oh, cholesterol high must take statin despite the fact. And there’s a reason, by the way, that statin drugs are the second most commonly prescribed drug in the United States. OK, there’s an obsession with it. The first, by the way, it’s Prozac, which is. pathetic we live in you know the wealthiest most beautiful country in the world unreal we have people who are depressed overweight and you know yeah it’s pathetic but there’s a reason statin drugs are extraordinarily profitable and i think if you if you learn nothing else from the covid uh pandemic it’s that you you know the driving forces for an awful lot of things that happen in the United States is the money that’s made by big pharma on these drugs. So again, not telling anyone who’s listening, oh my God, run to your doctor and say, I want off my Lipitor. But I’m saying you should ask these other questions like, doctor, I’d like to get a calcium score to see really if there’s evidence that my high cholesterol is causing me at risk for cardiovascular disease or not.
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Great, great recommendation. Somebody just asked a moment ago, too, great question, by the way, that does the carnivore diet, is there anything to it? Does it help jumpstart your diet plans if you’re trying to get some weight off and so on? Is that a good option or is it a lot of hype?
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Well, there’s no question that people on the carnivore diet seem to lose a lot of weight. And when we say carnivore, we mean truly that diet in its purest sense, meaning you’re only eating really meat, butter, fats. You are eating no vegetables, no fruit, and certainly no starches. People do lose weight, and interestingly, people’s cholesterol profiles seem to improve. You would think that eating nothing but bacon and steak would make your cholesterol go up, but lo and behold, that’s not what happens for the vast majority. All of that said, and as important as it is, I believe, for people to lose excess weight, I don’t believe that it’s ever smart to eliminate all these other food groups. There’s a reason. For example, things like cruciferous vegetables, which is your broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, have profound impact on decreasing your cancer risk because of sulforaphanes and the things that are included in those. Fruits and vegetables have a lot of water and fiber, which meat does not have. So they decrease your risk of colon cancer and other colonic illnesses. So I think you are way better off to do what I consider a modified carnivore, which means cut out those processed carbohydrates. You could live the rest of your life without rice, potatoes, bread, pasta, any of that. But include, continue to include carnivores. meats, fish, poultry, and a lot of vegetables. You can even cut out fruits if you want to cut out additional sugar because fruit does have, although it’s got a lot of nutrients and vitamins in it, those same nutrients and vitamins can be obtained through vegetables. So if you want to cut your sugar down even further, cut out fruits. But I think personally, I have a hard time recommending the carnivore diet because I think you put yourself at risk for other things. You may be losing weight, but you put yourself at risk for other illnesses by cutting out vegetables, which have a tremendous, tremendous amount of good value.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and tell me if I’m wrong, but again, I talk about this a lot throughout the week in all areas of life, not just diet. I mean, balance is key, Dr. Kelly. We talk about that a lot. You and I and Steve even do. I mean, there’s all sorts of things that we can do, and we can become wholehearted into one particular area, whether it be church or politics or whatever and the reality is if you’re not careful with your balance something else in life will suffer i mean all those things are great in and of himself nothing wrong with you know attending church helping out serving on different committees boards and so on but if you’re doing all of that and yet sacrificing your family at the same time well then that’s not such a great thing same thing can happen with politics same thing can happen in food okay great carnivore diet awesome great yes lowers your cholesterol it’ll help you lose weight all that’s fantastic but now like you said You’re also cutting out and eliminating other things that your body needs. So point being is, I think, at least for me, Dr. Kelly, as I’ve gotten older, the one thing I’ve tried to learn is, okay, everything needs to be done with the right rationale. That’s why we call our show Rush to Reason, you know, with the right reasoning behind it, making sure that we don’t lose balance in anything that we’re doing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. The other thing you really, to this point, not losing balance, is sustainability. Can you stick with it? No diet, no lifestyle is going to work if you can’t stick with it. I live on what I call that modified carnivore diet. I eat no fruit, and I eat really zero carbs. I really don’t eat any starches. I eat no pasta, bread, potatoes, rice, none of that. with very rare exception. As a result, I can go anywhere. I can go to a buffet and always find stuff I can eat. I can go to a restaurant and never have to announce to everybody that I’m on this special diet. I can go to a dinner party and absolutely, you know, unless they plunk down a huge pile of spaghetti, in which case I might have a little trouble. In which case, I would do the socially correct thing and simply eat it.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, if you’re like me, then feel bad afterwards.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. But it’s very sustainable for me to do that. It’s hard to be, if you’re just on one of these really crazy, so limited diets, it makes it hard to get around in the world. It makes it hard to travel, to go to a friend’s house for dinner, to attend a holiday event, to go to a restaurant, because you’re always struggling. So I think there are lots of reasons for moderation. And I’m not suggesting, by the way, that just because this is what I do means everybody… needs to do that or they’re being unhealthy. There’s nothing wrong for some people with eating some of the, you know, for many people, it’s enough to just get rid of the refined sugar, you know, without cutting out the pasta, bread, you know, potatoes and that sort of stuff. I’m glad you said that.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, that’s right. No, I, by the way, I agree with all of that really quite. I just want to throw in there too. I think you could also throw keto and some of the other ones into this as well. All of those are really hard to stay with and maintain forever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. They really are. And so I think, you know, you have to find what’s what’s sustainable, what works for you. And, you know, some people try, for example, the hardcore keto and do it for a couple of weeks just to kind of jump started and get their bodies started to get their mind around the idea that, you know, no more sugar, no more sugar. You know, people said for the longest time, I really went hardcore on the no sugar thing about it. Starting about three or four years ago. And people said, oh, you know, trust me, if you do it, you know, once you do it for a month, you know, you stop craving sugar. Hooey. Not true. I dream about carrot cake. So I still crave sugar. The difference is, however, you have a different mindset. You understand that hunger is a feeling. Cravings are a feeling like any other feeling, and it will pass, like most other feelings. It will pass. And you simply say, I am not going to give into this feeling any more than I give into my desire to do a lot of other things I might want to do. So I think that it does reset your relationship. And for some people, as I said, I certainly don’t think you’re going to harm yourself. from an overall health perspective by trying, you know, keto or full-blown carnivore for, you know, two or three weeks or whatever it takes. But I wouldn’t suggest it in the long term for all the reasons we’ve just said.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us. And Dr. Kelly, one thing that I sent you guys, and I saw this, and again, don’t know the validity of this, but since we’re on the topic of just controlling your diet and insulin and cholesterol and so on, there was an article that came out recently, diabetic man produces his own insulin after a gene-edited cell transplant. Is there any validity to that or not? And if there is, what does Big Pharma do now?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it certainly is possible. There are multiple reasons why people develop diabetes. In this country, type 2 diabetes is most common, and it’s related to diet and obesity, where you are actually producing insulin, but you’re just resistant to it. Your body doesn’t respond to it. Type 1 diabetes is very different. Type 1 diabetes, people are not producing enough insulin. Their pancreas isn’t producing it. And there are multiple reasons that ways that can happen, which includes some changes, genetic changes, genetic flaws, genetic errors in the DNA. Sometimes it’ll happen after a viral infection, for example. So it certainly is possible that they have in this one individual, they found a genetic flaw, a DNA flaw there. and they repaired it that allowed him to start reproducing insulin in his pancreas. It’s possible. That certainly would be a very uncommon reason why somebody would have diabetes. So it’s possible for certain people that it could be, but that preponderance of people with diabetes would not fall into that category. The best thing we can do to decrease diabetes in this country, clearly, is to get people to lose excess weight and to increase activity. Back to our conversation, I think it was last week, about the importance of walking. It is one of the best things you can do for insulin sensitivity to make sure that you don’t develop type 2 diabetes or to control it if you have it, is to walk, walk and walk and walk and walk and walk. You know, after meals in particular is a great way to get your body to become more sensitive to the insulin that you’re producing.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. And again, great information. Thank you for that. And I think one of the things that we passed around between the three of us is, yeah, we can see big pharma not liking that because if that happens and they can go in and genetically fix some of these things, when do they, you know, how do they now sell some of their products if that happens?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think they don’t like that, but they mostly don’t like the simple thing. At least, you know, that’s still a pharmacologic or a medical fix. What they really don’t like is people like me talking about things like walking and eating healthier and getting back to the basics. That really kicks them off because if they don’t have – there’s no money in wellness. There’s only money in illness, which is why we don’t really have a healthcare system. We have a disease care system, and there are a lot of people making a lot of money on it. I remind people that back in ancient Greece – The ancient Greeks paid their doctors when they were well and stopped paying them when they got sick. What a concept. You’re not doing your job. Pay me to stay well. So I think that part of the reason I love doing shows every once in a while like this one, John, is because we talk constantly about things like, you know, COVID and the vaccines and what’s wrong with the system and big pharma and all these things. And those are critically important for people to hear and to get that information. Absolutely. God knows the censorship complex hasn’t allowed those things to become public. But it’s also important for us to talk about taking control of your own life and the things you can and should be doing. Because fundamentally, there is no drug. There is no surgery. There is no fix for most people. of what ails us that can’t be done. Most of it can be managed through lifestyle choices. Not all of it. You know, certainly we need surgery for lots of things, but then we need medications for lots of things. But the reality is so much of what ails us, including things like insomnia and depression, it can be managed quickly. at least in part, by lifestyle changes. And so I think it’s really important to talk about those regularly.
SPEAKER 15 :
One of the things, and I know I’ve learned this not only from you, but lots of other people that I’ve interviewed over the years, Dr. Kelly, and you mentioned it earlier, and that’s just the whole inflammation end of things. It causes so many problems in individuals across the board. And if there’s anything I think that’s universal when it comes to what ails people, a lot of individuals. It’s that and that alone. And I don’t think I’m exaggerating in saying that. And again, one of those things that can be taken care of on the front side without drugs and things along those lines, this just comes down to lifestyle choices. Am I right in saying that?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, that’s correct, and there are a lot of things that are pro-inflammatory. A lot of things that we eat are pro-inflammatory, and that certainly includes processed sugars, a lot of processed foods, a lot of these artificial colorings, artificial flavorings are pro-inflammatory. Not getting adequate sleep. One of the ways that our bodies manage inflammation is through adequate sleep. Regular exercise, actually getting your heart rate up, It actually ends up being anti-inflammatory in the long run. So there are lots of lifestyle things. It doesn’t mean that you should be out taking, you know, ibuprofen or an anti-inflammatory every day or steroids. There are lots of lifestyle things that will decrease inflammation. And, you know, inflammation that we’re talking about isn’t always gross. It isn’t always good. You know, your joint swelling, a lot of it’s micro inflammation. It’s inflammation within the blood vessels, within the heart, within the, you know, the linings of the nerves, the nerve sheaths, those sorts of things. So an awful lot of foods are pro-inflammatory and a lot of foods are anti-inflammatory. And you should learn the difference.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think you just said it very well a moment ago, which I don’t know that we’ve ever really said it in that way. I think most people think inflammation, oh, I’m swelled up, you know, something body part wise. I’ve got, you know, a swollen wrist or finger or, you know, I just feel bloated. That’s more gut things than it is inflammation when you feel bloated. There might be some inflammation to go along with that, but you’re not talking about that type of inflammation. We say inflammation. This is inflammation of, you know, your internals, your cells, things along those lines. Am I correct in that?
SPEAKER 05 :
exactly. It’s microscopic inflammation, but it has a profound effect. Uh, we know that it’s part, you know, pro carcinogenic, it’s pro heart disease, it’s pro lots of things. Um, cancer, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
It feeds cancer, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
A hundred percent. Uh, we know that inflammation increases your risk of, of cancer. And now I’m talking about that microscopic inflammation. So, um, Again, we could do a whole show on what are the pro-inflammatory foods and what are the anti-inflammatory.
SPEAKER 15 :
At some point here, and I’m going to put that in my notes, we should probably at some point here as we kind of head into fall and people head down that stretch into the holidays and different things, that’s probably not a bad idea. We should probably actually do that, Dr. Kelly, because I think there’s so much – surrounding that and what i mean by that is i think there’s some misconceptions again as i said a moment ago i think some people think well i’m not swollen i don’t have inflammation that has nothing to do with it i mean you you you wouldn’t know by looking at yourself in most cases whether you are or aren’t uh for a lot of people it’s all as you say it’s internal you wouldn’t see it you’ll feel it but you won’t see it that that is a topic i do think we could delve into in the future that we we’ve never done a full you know full program on that we should
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I agree. I think that would be a great topic and one that people would be very interested in hearing. I’m sure we’d get some good questions as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I’ll plan on that. All right, we’ve got about a minute or two left. What do you want to close out with and leave folks with?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I guess back to our usual core topic, what’s going on with HHS and on the – vaccine front is that Bobby Kennedy did revoke the funding for half a billion dollars worth of research projects and projects in process for mRNA vaccines, critically important. He certainly didn’t pull down all of them, but the ones related to respiratory viruses, and he did it on the basis of good science, including data that was provided by myself and Peter McCullough and others, and I’m very proud of that. Furthermore, the CDC has now taken the COVID shots off of the recommended childhood schedule for healthy children under the age of five. This is huge because at the same time, John, the American Academy of Pediatrics has doubled down. They have gone against what the CDC is saying. They need to know what pediatricians need to understand is Now that that shot is not on the childhood schedule for healthy kids under five, they do not have the liability protection. That liability protection goes away once that shot is not on the childhood schedule as determined by the CDC. So if a pediatrician gives a shot to a healthy kid who has a bad outcome, I believe that they are going to be at significant liability risk, not only the physician, but the pharmaceutical companies themselves.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great ending. As always, Dr. Kelly, fabulous hour. Thank you so much for your time. I know I learn something every time you’re with us. I’m sure our listeners do as well. I will put in my notes to do something on inflammation here in the not-too-distant future. And have a great week and a great night, Dr. Kelly. As always, we’re very thankful for all you do for us.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thanks, as always, for having me. Look forward to next time.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, I got a couple of text messages that came in after Dr. Kelly left, and I apologize. It’s always hard for me to read those and talk to her at the same time. So one of them was about a particular drug that you wanted to know more about. I will save that for her for the next time that she is on. I can’t pronounce the drug, so I’ll just wait until she’s on and ask her. And then the other one was just about the whole cholesterol end of things and what you should do. Should you actually go on a statin or whatever? And depending upon what your actual scores are, what Dr. Kelly said was go get a scan first to find out do you really have any buildup in the first place before you actually agree to go on a statin. So I had a specific question that came in along those lines. So go do that. That was her recommendation a moment ago. Hopefully you heard that. And you can always go back and listen to these, by the way, in the future. Send these on to somebody else as well. You can do that. Just go to RushToReason.com. Look for our show notes section, and you’ll find everything you need there that you can send on to somebody else. So we’ll be back. Another hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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