In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush dives into a heated discussion about the gun policies currently shaping Canada and their reverberations in the United States. Joining the conversation is Leighton Gray, host of the Gray Matter podcast, who illustrates how Canada’s historical and present gun laws echo tactics from totalitarian regimes. The discussion reveals startling statistics on increased gun violence despite restrictive laws and delves into the broader implications on private property rights.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening today. And I didn’t get a chance at the top of the hour, 3 o’clock hour, to do this. I’ll do the question of the day here momentarily. But don’t forget, we are looking for Christmas Day. We will play Christmas songs on Christmas Day. Another thing we’re looking for, nominations of, you can send us either email, email them to me, or you can text me, either one, doesn’t matter. On Christmas Eve, Charlie and I have decided that we’re going to play a compilation of musings or stories, things like maybe Paul Harvey have done or things along those lines. So in other words, we want to keep them within about four to five minutes long at most. But maybe some things that you’ve seen on the Internet, YouTube, whatever, places where you’re like, hey, yeah, that would be a fun thing to have, you know, to listen to along with some other things. And it could be serious, could be heartwarming, could be funny. You name it. We’ll put a compilation of those things together. We need a couple of hours worth of that. So the way this would work is because we do things kind of in, you know, 13 to 15 minute segments. If you can come up with a few of those, we really need about, let’s see, roughly 3, 6, 9, 12. So we need about 24 of those. A little more, a little less, doesn’t matter. We can always make that work. But if you have one of those that’s a favorite and you’d like to hear it played on Christmas Eve, please let us know and we’ll add it to the list for that particular day. And again, text line 307. Or you can send me an email. And I’ll get those to Charlie, and we’ll make that happen for Christmas Eve. Leighton Gray joining us now. Leighton, welcome. How are you? I should say welcome back, Leighton. Always a joy having you, a host of the Gray Matter podcast, Europe and Canada. And what I’m reading in front of me is, and I knew this, Canada bans more types of firearms than probably, well, definitely than what the U.S. does. But yet, you guys are going to donate a bunch of guns to Ukraine. How ironic.
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Yeah, it really is insanity. I think after the United States, Canada has donated more per capita to the Ukraine war in any other country. And our government has been very interested in gun confiscation going all the way back to 1977 when our current prime minister’s father, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who’s sort of like Canada’s Woodrow Wilson, he’s a rank communist, club of Rome guy, really started a lot of the problems that we’re experiencing today. And this gun confiscation has just got more and more serious. And, of course, anybody who’s studied the history of gun confiscation, as I have, knows that gun confiscation is right out of the totalitarian government playbook. That’s right. All the totalitarian governments of the 20th century, from the Soviet Union to Maoist China to Nazi Germany to Castro’s Cuba, all of them have made gun confiscation fundamental to and disarmament of the citizenry, you know, fundamental to to their plans to really deny human rights and to abuse their citizens. That’s what’s going on in Canada right now. But what’s really idiotic about this, Ted, These are guns that people would use to shoot at ducks and moose.
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Thank you for kind of switching out. I wanted to ask you, because it’s been a while since I’ve had much affiliation with Canada. I had a son-in-law that was up there for a long time. So I, years ago, knew a little bit about the types of guns that Canadians could actually own and a little bit about how all of that worked. But what you’re saying is this… ban, I guess you could say, is going even farther than what it’s been before. Because in the past, they had to have a specific use, like hunting and things like that. Am I right?
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Yeah, and these guns right now, the ones that they’re talking about setting up a use rate, are not weapons of war. In fact, our government talks about something called an assault-style rifle. Well, that actually doesn’t exist. There’s no such thing as an assault-style rifle. No. But these guns actually are useless in terms of being things that could be used to fight the Russians. Trying to use a duck gun or a .22 caliber or something like that in wartime is ludicrous. And, of course, anybody who knows anything about guns knows this. But the deeper problem that we’re experiencing in Canada is, is that we are, and I think Mr. Trump and his new administration realize this, we’re descending into communism. We’re being made into a CCP client state. And what this is really about, when you look deeper, is really destruction of the concept of private property. And of course, as you know, or you probably do realize, One of the genius things about the Second Amendment in your country is that implicitly it guarantees the right to keep and hold private property. Because what is a gun? A gun is nothing other than a species of private property. And so in guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms in the United States, it guarantees the right to hold private property because we know that everywhere private property exists, so does freedom.
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So when you talk the additional 324 varieties of firearms, and make sure that I’m following this correct, in Canada, if you already owned one of these, do you have to now give it up? Do you turn it into the government? How is that going to work?
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It’s a mandatory slash voluntary buyback program. In other words, they expect you to turn in your gun. They price them out at what they think they’re worth. and then you have to turn them in. The problem is, there hasn’t been a single gun turned in in all of Canada. Nobody’s doing it. The province I live in, Alberta, the provincial government, which operates much like state governments do in the United States, has no constitutional authority. One of the things it doesn’t have to do is to enforce federal law. Same thing is true in the United States. And so our province has told the federal government, Trudeau, Go pound sand. We’re not going to enforce these laws. But really, you know, what we’re dealing with, unfortunately, is a deep level of virtue signaling. Canada wants to appear virtuous in the eyes of the world. And they’re also really interested in disarming the populace. The problem, though, in Canada is that we have 160% hike in gun violence in the past nine years. And there’s actually no connection. I’m sure you realize this. There’s no connection between restricting the ability of lawful gun holders to hold firearms and reduction of crime.
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No, actually, it’s typically the opposite, as you know.
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Exactly. And the thing is, Canada, the United States, actually are… for children for responsible gun ownership because when you consider how many guns, there’s millions of guns just in Canada, I’m sure, probably hundreds of millions of guns in the United States.
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Oh, yeah. Actually, I believe last figures, and this is where it’s always a debate as to, you know, how many do we actually have? Because a lot of folks, you know, myself included, nobody knows what I actually have. I mean, I guess they could go back and see how many have been produced and so on. But it’s a very vague number, but it’s more than our population. Let’s just say that.
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Sure. And so if responses to lawful gun violence really were dangerous,
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these countries would be unlivable.
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Right. If what you’re saying or what Canada is saying is true or what the liberals say is true, you shouldn’t be able to walk anywhere in the U.S. safely.
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No, absolutely not. The irony is, as gun complication has gained steam in Canada, we’ve had an influx of guns from the United States And most of them are illegal. And then, of course, Canada reciprocates by being a net exporter of fentanyl to the United States. And that’s why Mr. Trump is saying to Mr. Trudeau, hey, you’ve got to do something about this border. or we’re going to impose 25 tariffs on you.
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Right. Yeah, no, you and I talked about that here, I believe, last week, or maybe it was a couple of weeks ago. Reality is, and I think a lot of that is saber-rattling from Donald Trump. Will those tariffs actually go in? I highly doubt it. But what he’s trying to get done is for you guys and Mexico both to pay more attention to what’s happening at the border, which can be very, as you know, can be very lax. Although I will say this when it comes to Canada. It might be lax coming our way, but it’s not lax going the other way, is it?
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Well, it isn’t. I think you’re right about the border, but I think it’s deeper than that. The reality is Canada poses a geopolitical threat to the safety and security of the United States for the first time maybe since 1812 because of the kind of control and infiltration that the CCP has, and not only in our government, but in all of our systems. And I think when Mr. Trudeau was summoned down to Mar-a-Lago recently, I think he got told that. I think he got told that the Communist Party in Canada is over, and you’re seeing this from other members of Mr. Trump’s cabinet, J.D. Vance, um rf key jr tulsi gabbard that elon musk they’re all i mean the level of trolling that donald trump has done with our prime ministers just it’s hilarious but it’s got people up here you know especially in government are really really concerned because for the first time in a long time the united states is going to pay a lot of attention to the domestic politics of canada i think it’s out of necessity
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I can’t disagree with that at all. Okay, how do folks follow you, Leighton? How do they listen to the podcast and follow you?
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Well, the podcast is everywhere you’ll find podcasts, Podbean, Spotify, Apple. But the best way to find us and follow our content is on our X page, at graymatterconvo. That’s the only platform that Trudeau has not been able to successfully censor in our country yet. So we’re going to keep plugging away. But, you know, my next interview with you might be from jail.
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Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Well, let’s hope not.
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Yeah, well, thanks for having me on.
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Oh, you’re very welcome, and we will follow you. In fact, I’m clicking that right now to make that happen, and we’ll get other folks to do the same. Leighton, it’s always a joy having you. Appreciate you very much. Happy Christmas. You bet. Happy Christmas to you as well. Have a great rest of your day. Hi-Fi Plumbing and Electrical is next. And again, you may want something upgraded. You want to make a change. Maybe you’ve got a leak or you’ve got a drain that’s not doing what it needs to. And as we head into the holiday season, make sure that you’re all dialed in across the board. Hi-Fi Plumbing and Electrical, 877-WE-HI-5.
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All right, question of the day from yesterday. Who made this statement? I came in with Haley’s Comet, and I expect to go out with it. That would be Mark Twain. Today’s impossible question of the day. Why do books smell? Why do books smell? Any ideas, Charlie? Good answer. So Charlie just got it right. So those of you that can’t hear Charlie, you’ll have to answer that on your own. Go to the Facebook page and answer it there. And again, I want to remind everybody, please, for Christmas Day and for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, we’re looking for just your favorite Christmas songs. We’ll put a compilation of those together and we’ll play those during this three to six. Actually, let’s see, that’s a Wednesday. So, yeah, the three to six hour that day will actually do that. Now, Christmas Eve. We are looking for just a compilation of things. You could have a short story. It could be something you’ve heard from Paul Harvey. It could be something you’ve seen on YouTube or something that somebody sent you. It can be serious. It can be funny. It can be heartwarming. It doesn’t matter, but if you’ve got a three- to five-minute little video that we can – understand by listening to sometimes videos need all of the video to understand what’s going on in other cases it doesn’t so make it where it can be radio playable as what i should say understandable on the radio i should say and give us what those requests are and i’ll get them into charlie and we’ll put that together for christmas eve and christmas day okay The shooter of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and I’m not going to say his name because I don’t like giving people that do these things any more credit than what they’re already getting or any more publicity, which, side note, there’s so many whack jobs out there that are siding with this guy that it’s just mind-boggling to me. But we’ve got individuals like… the governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, saying, I have no tolerance, nor should anyone, for one man using an illegal ghost gun to murder someone because he thinks his opinion matters most. He said that at a press conference on Monday. So I have a few answers to Josh Shapiro. This person could have legally bought a gun. Why they chose to make their own, I have no idea. But this particular individual didn’t have any kind of a record prior and could have easily bought a gun. OK, so let’s just make sure we get that out there. Because, again, Josh is criticizing, quote unquote, ghost guns. And there’s now all sorts of press about them. I can get into more of that maybe in the next particular segment. But reality is they’re getting a lot of bad press right now. And I’ll explain some of what that even means. I think there’s a lot of misconceptions when it comes to ghost guns. But he could have legally bought one. The suppressor that he had even on the ghost gun is heavily regulated. you have to, A, they’re not cheap, B, you have to have what they call a tax stamp to own one, and the background check to go through is arduous at best. So it takes a lot to make that happen. So my point is, if he legally owned the suppressor, he could have easily owned a gun. So the ghost gun part of this is, frankly, irrelevant. This shows, number one, that gun laws don’t work, by the way. And I think the biggest part that the left misses, like Josh, is unless something has changed, and Charlie, correct me if I’m wrong, but is it not illegal in every state in the United States of America to take someone’s life? Last I checked, that’s kind of one of the number one rules, don’t murder someone. This guy did it in cold blood. So regardless of the gun conversation, he did. So as always, the left wants to blame the item rather than the person. Typical. Never fails. Now, I also will go out on a limb, and I think I’m fair to say it this way. If this young man were any other race or was transgender or was probably even a female, would this be getting as much press as it’s getting? And would you even be hearing about the quote unquote ghost gun? My gut feeling is probably not. For example, if a young black male had done this, this story is already dead. It’s gone. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. It’s because it was a young white male from a wealthy family, by the way. In fact, in fact, a wealthy conservative family doesn’t mean he was because he was a raging liberal. But it’s because of that, I believe he’s getting more press than you would otherwise see. Anybody else does this, you know, literally anybody else. In fact, make this a white transgender female or male. I always get mixed up which is which, by the way. Yeah, they. If it was a they-them, you know, transgender female being a man wanting to be a woman and a transgender male that’s a female wanting to be a man. If it had been that, this story is done, gone. Overnight, it’s gone. They bury it. But because it wasn’t, and it’s a fairly normal-looking young white male, it’s not normal to kill someone, so I’m not going to go that far to say this guy was normal because he’s a wackadoodle. He’s not normal. You don’t take someone else’s life and claim to be normal. Ever. Ever. no matter how much of the left is praising this guy for this, it shows you, by the way, the mental illness on the left. I keep saying that because liberalism is a mental illness, and I mean that wholeheartedly. And the proof this week has really come out because the majority of people that are behind this young man and what he did, supporting him in what he did, accusing McDonald’s and the workers there of being traitors, yes, they have, for calling the police and outing this guy, shows you the mental illness on the left. And I’m not saying that lightly. I mean that sincerely. There is a deep mental illness on the left because you can’t do the things I just said and not be mentally ill, not have a screw loose. Don’t tell me it’s because of your conviction or it’s because of this or it’s because of that hogwash. You have a screw loose. I, as a conservative older male, would not be supporting anyone, anywhere, anytime, anyplace that takes someone else’s life. Period. As much as there are people I don’t like and I don’t care for and I may disagree with a thousand percent. It’s not OK to take their life. Ever. Now, maybe there is some exceptions. We talked about this a little bit on the podcast where you take a guy like Osama bin Laden. who we took out, okay, there might be some exceptions to what I just said in that regard, where that guy is a mass murderer and killed thousands of Americans and who knows how many else around the world because of the terrorist activities he was in charge of. That’s different. You take a lead of one of the cartels in Mexico and all of a sudden that guy is off. Am I going to lose any sleep or shed a tear for that? That’s a different situation. And I know some on the left would say, well, that’s no different than the UnitedHealthcare CEO. Yeah, there’s a huge difference. Huge difference. You cannot put a cartel leader and the head of UnitedHealthcare in the same sentence. I’m sorry. If you do that, you’re mentally ill because there is not a comparison there at all. And if you try to make a comparison there, you’re mentally ill. You’re not thinking straight. You have a screw loose. So those of you that are on that side of the aisle that are thinking what this young man did was OK and you’re somehow justifying it because of the way health care in the country works. And we spend an entire hour from three to four with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House talking about some of those things. And yes, does the health care industry in America need a complete revamp? Absolutely. But keep in mind, those of you that are on the left, Obamacare made it worse, not better, worse. frankly, a lot worse. Look at your premiums. And no, you can’t keep your doctor and choose your plan, and it’s all hogwash. It was a lie. Obama lied through his teeth. And it’s been one of the worst things, in my opinion, outside of legalizing marijuana, it’s been one of the worst things to ever happen to America, was Obamacare. did nothing but create more problems in health care than what they were trying to solve. So those of you that are on the left, if you really want to get down to the core of what’s wrong with health care, it started with Obamacare. I mean, it started before that, but Obamacare just fueled the fire. Did not help it at all. So please, if you’re somebody out there that thinks what this young man did was great, you need a self-check big time because you have a screw loose if you think that’s the case. All right, we’ll be right back. Golden Eagle Financial is up next. And Al Smith wants to help you with all of your financial needs as we close out 2024 and head into 2025. Give Al a call today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And I said during the last segment I would explain what a ghost gun is because I think there’s a lot of misconceptions, number one, around them. Some know exactly what they are. Some just hear the term, and I think they think, wrong about what one actually is. So I’ll do my best to explain this. And yes, I’m very knowledgeable when it comes to guns and the like, and I’ve been around them since I was a wee boy, I guess would be the way to say that. Literally, I’ve been shooting a firearm since I was… Six, seven years of age, and yeah, before all of you on the left say that was child abuse, no, it wasn’t. My dad taught me properly how to handle, use, respect a firearm all through my not only childhood, teen years, and now my adult life as well. And he did a very good job of teaching myself and my brother exactly all of that. So just a side note, no, that wasn’t child abuse. In fact, I think a lot of kids would benefit from what I learned as a kid, and you’d have a lot less accidents. if they actually were taught the way I was growing up. So I have very good familiarity, very familiar, I should say, with guns in general. So the other thing you’re going to see before I explain what a ghost gun is, is lots of data in the news media as far as how many have been confiscated, how many ghost guns have been confiscated. Now, what I’ve learned and I believe to be true from what I’ve read, is the authorities will consider a ghost gun anything without a serial number. So be careful when you see them talk about all these confiscated ghost guns because serial numbers can be removed from production firearms also. It’s called a grinder. And some would say, well, why doesn’t everybody do that? Well, because nobody wants to ruin their gun. And sometimes you may need that for other things, getting parts and so on. And reality is you don’t want to. We’re law-abiding gun owners. We don’t need to. So also be careful when you look at the data on confiscated ghost guns because they consider a ghost gun an untraceable gun. Everything I’ve read when it comes to the authorities, FBI and so on, that’s kind of their definition. It doesn’t necessarily have to be homemade. and you’re going to see all sorts of things about homemade, printed, this, that, and the other. I’m going to explain to you the ways that you can actually have a ghost gun. So my point is you’re going to see a lot of things in the media and a lot of gun control advocates pushing now this whole ghost gun narrative, and we’ve got to stop this, we have to end this tomorrow, that sort of stuff. Remember that not every ghost gun is either a printed gun, quote-unquote, or one that’s even been assembled by their owner. These again could be firearms where they just shaved off. ground off basically the serial number so i want to make sure that i’m very clear on that because uh they’ll call these ghost guns you know they put a wide label i guess what i’m trying to say when it comes to ghost guns and the reality is in a lot of cases those labels these this data is not exact so real quick before i go to joe there’s several ways to do this In some cases, you can buy a quote-unquote kit, which will give you pieces of said gun, pistol or rifle, and then you do the rest of the assembly. And a lot of guys, by the way, some would say, well, why would you ever do this? Well, because a lot of guys do things custom because it’s a hobby. They enjoy it. It’s fun. And by the way, by the time they’re done, typically speaking, it will cost far more than if they just went and bought a production gun. And most people aren’t doing it so they can run under the radar. They’re doing it for the reasons I just stated. They want to build something custom for themselves that’s different than what somebody else has. And it’s not because they’re going to go use it nefariously. It’s because they want something different, unique, special to them. That’s why people do that. Now, you’re also going to hear a lot about printed guns. Yes, you can print one. There’s these at-home printers now even where you can print all sorts of different things, parts, components, and so on. And what I will tell you is especially with printed guns, even more so than what I just explained a moment ago, their reliability, which you saw even with this particular shooter, is not very high. The possibility of them jamming, per se, is very high because they’re not done to the same specifications you would get done with a production-type firearm out of all of the major production companies that are out there, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Glock, etc., So don’t kid yourself. The news media is going to make it sound like this is some, you know, everybody’s out there in their backyard or, you know, sorry, in their basement or their garage making guns. That is not the case at all. If you look at the amount of firearms we actually have nationwide and even the amount that they have, quote unquote, confiscated is still a very, very, very small number all in all. And again, don’t be misled by the data is my point. Joe, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, a couple of things. And you touched on one of them first with regard to printed guns. If anybody looks closely at the video of the shooting, you can see the guy, the gun wouldn’t function, it wouldn’t cycle. He had to manually pull back the slide to eject the shell. In fact, he had to eject three unspent rounds on the pavement because the gun just wouldn’t cycle. Which is not unusual. And you can’t print a barrel.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, still got to buy that from somebody. I guess, you know, you could if you’re really, really sharp and know how to do it. Could you make your own? Yeah, you could. You need a machine shop and some tooling and things, you know, Joe, at your disposal to do that. But the average person can’t do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, the pressure from a fired bullet is around 60,000 PSI. So you need a steel barrel, and you can’t, with a 3D plastic printer, you can’t print a steel barrel for your gun. So you have to have a steel component. And then ghost guns. In New York City, John, that’s a cottage industry. About twice a month in New York City, they show a raid where they’ve broken into some place, and there’s 15 or 20 ghost guns. There are people literally who are doing this as an industry. Now, do we need a law? No, it’s already highly illegal. But I think, by the way, last year, if you look at the video clips, the news clips of the press conferences, behind one of the people from the New York City Police Department, on the left, you’ll see 19,000 guns confiscated so far this year. And most of these, John, are stolen guns or guns that have been bought out of state and illegally brought into New York State.
SPEAKER 15 :
Used in crimes, things along those lines, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Used in crimes. By the way, there are more than 250,000 guns stolen in this country per year, and the inventory of illegal guns on the street is estimated to be about 10 million. You know, if there are 100 or 200 ghost guns being used, you know, it’s, as my father used to say, a fart and a gala win. Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, big deal. I mean, no offense. If that’s what the feds, the ATF, and so on are going to go after, that is chump change.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is chump change. You know, if New York City—and trust me, I would be stunned if out of the 19,000 guns New York City police have taken off the street in the past year— I would be stunned if more than 50 were ghost guns. So in my mind, what they ought to be doing is focusing on where did the other 18,000, 950 come from.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
And if they can trace them back, you know, people are buying these in Virginia or Ohio and bringing them into New York. In terms of your bang for the buck, I think that’s where they need to be spending their efforts, tracing them. Where do these guns originate and how did they get into New York City?
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, if they were really concerned, and I say this all the time, if they were really concerned about fighting crime and deterring the things that they constantly go after regular citizens like yourself and I, you would concentrate more on these illegals that have come in, the cartels and what they’re doing, you know, the coyote movement and all the different things that are happening there. I mean, the reality, Joe, is you could spend your time in a lot of other places and have a lot more bang for the buck than worrying about some, you know, Joe Schmoe owning a ghost gun.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And to that point, John, yesterday, New York, maybe it was the day before yesterday, because I get up in the morning, Western New York City News. They had a gang, a mini gang war. They had a Haitian gang shooting it out, three Haitian gang members having a shootout with three Venezuelan gang members. Right on the sidewalk streets in New York, you know, and they all had guns. Now, if you’re a Venezuelan Haitian gang member, you can’t legally acquire or even possess a gun in New York City. Correct. Yet all six of these thugs had guns. What’s wrong with that picture? Yeah, I guarantee you they weren’t ghost guns, John. These were not ghost guns. They were all functioning perfectly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and Joe, I go back to even this particular young man. Again, I’m not using his name because I don’t want to give credit anywhere where it’s not due and it’s not due. But this particular individual had a silencer, which as we’ve talked about before, even you and I, that’s a tax-stamped item. There’s a lot of scrutiny that goes in. They’re very expensive to buy in the first place, and you don’t get delivery of it same day.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s correct. You’ve got background check, fingerprints. It’s a federal. So I think there’s an outfit out there that might be able to get you one in 10 days if you’ve got a squeaky clean background.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s really fast because in not the too distant past, that was a 90-day process.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely correct. But even then, it has to be shipped. You have to sign for it. You just can’t go to the store and pick it up.
SPEAKER 15 :
And for all of you listening, some of you maybe that are on the left that don’t know as much about guns as we do, not every gun store, Joe, in fact, it’s a small percentage of gun stores that even do what you just said. In other words, most gun stores don’t sell silencers, don’t sell suppressors, we call them.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, in fact, I’ve never seen a gun store ever. And I’ve been in a lot of gun stores. I’ve never seen a gun store that sells.
SPEAKER 15 :
Very, very, very few do because, Joe, number one, there’s not super popular. There probably isn’t a lot of markup in it when it’s all said and done. And the hassle factor is huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it’s not a it’s not an over the counter item. No, no. If you want to buy one, it’s OK. We’ll set it aside for you here. Fill out this paperwork and we’ll hold it for you for a month.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because they can’t give it to you until you’ve passed all of the checks and you’re paying up front for it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, you’re going to pay them up front to hold it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Meaning felons and bad guys aren’t buying them that way, Joe. That’s my other point.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
So this guy, I don’t know, they haven’t told us whether he acquired that legally, illegally, did he buy it off the street, whatever. I mean, my gut feeling is, Joe, knowing that this kid probably had a squeaky clean record, he might very well have bought that legally.
SPEAKER 05 :
You mean that gun that he used?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, the suppressor.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, the suppressor. He might have bought the suppressor legally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
But if you’re going to take it with you after you shoot somebody… Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER 15 :
What a knucklehead, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
But if I was going to take it with me, I’m going to dispose of it, which is never going to be found, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. I mean, again, what a knucklehead. Why would that thing still be in your backpack, Joe?
SPEAKER 05 :
Knucklehead, John. I mean, you got it. For some people…
SPEAKER 15 :
This kid was obviously, I mean, he was valedictorian of his class, so on paper… He wasn’t stupid, but he was definitely… He had a mental screw loose, mentally ill, as I said earlier, Joe, or you wouldn’t do the things he did.
SPEAKER 05 :
100% correct. 100% correct. It’s that simple.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, even after the shooting effect of things and what we’re talking about right now, a sane person wouldn’t do.
SPEAKER 05 :
He kept the… In fact, he kept the… fake New Jersey driver’s license that he used to check into the hostel in New York City. You know, he checked in under an assumed name. Right. And he used a fake New Jersey driver’s license when he checked into the hostel where he was staying in Manhattan. Well, he kept that fake driver’s license, which ties him directly to that city on those dates.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, not smart. Not smart. Not smart. Anyways, Joe, appreciate you as always.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re welcome, John.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. John and Cheyenne, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, John, listening to you and Joe talk about it and following a little bit of the news, I think this guy wanted to get caught.
SPEAKER 15 :
Possible.
SPEAKER 06 :
And hear me out. He made it from the shooting spot into Central Park. If you’ve never been to New York, Central Park is huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Yep, have been.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Very wooded. They got lakes. They got sewers everywhere. If he didn’t want to get caught, he could have walked through the park because he headed all the way up to 178th Street, what they call the George Washington Bridge bus terminal, to get out of the city. That was probably 100 blocks where he could have dropped the gun, the jacket, the backpack. He could have got rid of all that and they would have never found it. But he kept it all. What does that tell you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, one of two things. Either, to your point, he wanted to be caught or he’s got a screw loose. One of the two.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I’m thinking of, well, if he wanted to be caught, that definitely means he’s a nut.
SPEAKER 15 :
On the same token, if you wanted to be, you know, just devil’s advocate, if you wanted to be caught, why didn’t you just stand there after you killed him?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, if you wanted to be a martyr about it. I just think, you know, this guy, they say he’s got a master’s degree in computer science. Yeah, he’s book smart. But does he have the common sense that… God gave a five-year-old? It doesn’t seem like it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, probably not.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know what I’m saying? There’s street smarts and then there’s book smarts. Absolutely. He might have gotten all the book smarts and none of the street smarts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, again, to your point, something is awry with this guy. I mean, either A, he wanted to be caught, and I don’t know what his thought process was because there was even better ways to make that happen when it was all said and done, unless he just wanted to be dramatic about it, which maybe that was part of it as well. I don’t know. On the same token, he could have just gotten caught because he’s a nut job and
SPEAKER 06 :
you know again john who knows i mean again all i know is the left is is fond you know is is so fond of this guy and are and are just gloating over this guy it’s ridiculous well what would it be you know you if you take it a step further one of those lefties that wrote an article from i think she got fired from uh the washington post or one of those and she’s now on her own she’s a you know, she writes online. What if somebody walked up to her and put a bullet in her head and said, well, she wrote things out I didn’t like, so I just killed her. Would anybody defend that?
SPEAKER 15 :
No. Well, and even in that case, again, John, as you know, I mean, I would be upset, period, on any level along those lines, because you don’t take someone else’s life. No matter how much you disagree with them, you don’t take their life.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you don’t. But what I’m saying is it’s acceptable to they dislike. So, and here’s the other question I had on this. Do you notice how his, what they call the manifesto that he had in his backpack has already been released?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
And everybody knows it’s We still haven’t seen the national trans shooters.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, that’s my, where is it?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a great question. No, you are correct. And I had a couple of different text messages along those lines as well. It’s like, yeah, there’s such a lack of consistency, it’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, hopefully that Kash Patel will release all that stuff.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think he will, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
One other thing.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Nice. Good job. All right. Appreciate you, John. Nope. Thank you very much. And that’s it for this second hour. We’ve got another full hour, of course, coming your way. Linda Hanson, she’s been with us before. She’ll be joining us, Prosperity 101. We’re going to talk about companies that are going from woke to what. We’ll do that next hour. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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