Rush to Reason dives into pressing concerns surrounding the impact of mRNA vaccines. With Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House, we navigate through recent findings suggesting a link between these vaccinations and increased infertility rates in women, particularly spotlighting a study from the Czech Republic. We explore the broader implications on birth rates and question what lies ahead. We also dissect the alarming discovery of fibrous clots in young children born to vaccinated mothers. Dr. Kelly elaborates on the trophotic nature of spike proteins, while Steve House draws connections to autoimmune conditions. Together, they ponder the potential for new
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All right, it’s Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Steve House as well. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
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Doing great. I’m here looking at the calendar and realizing it’s the 26th of June and thinking, oh, my Lord, where is the summer going? It is flying by.
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Half gone. Steve House, welcome. I was thinking the exact same thing, by the way, Dr. Kelly. I woke up this morning and I thought, you know what, we get to next week, and I know it’s not officially summer half over, but, boy, it sure feels like it, Steve.
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Yeah, and I was going to say, if the heat that I’ve been around keeps going, I’m only going to be half here by the end of the summer.
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Good one. All right, several things to talk about today. And I do want to get into the big, beautiful bill. We talked about it last week. I want to continue on with that. But before we do that, a couple of questions. had come in. And so I want to throw this to you first, Dr. Kelly. Somebody texted right before the show and said that there is a new study that they had heard about, read about, coming out of the Czech Republic, talking about infertility in women, young women especially, that took the jab. Do you know anything about that, or do you want to comment on that at all?
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Yeah, I do know about that study and multiple others. The reality is this. We have overwhelming evidence, and it seems to mount every week with new studies, of the negative impact that the mRNA injections have had on fertility. We’ve seen not only an increase in miscarriages, spontaneous miscarriages, miscarriages, bleeding, hemorrhaging, low birth weight children, those sorts of things. But an alarming difficulty with people trying to get pregnant, women being unable to conceive. Birth rates are down almost universally around the world in some places like the United States and Europe. They’re down, say, four or five percent, which might not sound like a lot, but that’s actually quite catastrophic. In other places, Taiwan, for example, the numbers are down by 26 percent. So I think, you know, we unfortunately have only seen the tip of the iceberg. Whether or not this is reversible, we don’t know. You know, this is the sort of stuff that should have been worked out before these injections were given to hundreds of millions of people.
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Steve, have you heard anything along those lines? You’re more on the admin side, but what have you heard along those lines?
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Well, I mean, the birth rates have been falling for a while. I mean, there’s a magic number. It’s 2.1. Right. Every American woman or every woman in a country that has 2.1 babies on average, you maintain your population. So when you fall below that, it’s an issue, of course. You know, the article I sent you about, you know, children and fibrous clots. But there is one anomaly out there that I think we need to keep in mind, and that there is definitely an increase in birth rate. anywhere near Elon Musk.
SPEAKER 14 :
True.
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Other than that, it’s down everywhere else.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point. Good point. You are not wrong in that. Well, and we can move into that. And I know, yeah, you just sent that right before we, you know, right before really we got ready to come on air. Gateway Pundit put out something talking about a red alert. Doctors sound the alarm after fibrous clots discovered in young children born to COVID-vaxxed mothers. Now, we had heard about some of these clots, Dr. Kelly and Steve, but I’ll start with you, Dr. Kelly. We’d heard about some of these things all the way back when these things first, started. These are things that you and I, you know, three of us have talked about on this program many, many times. This is the first I’ve heard of it happening in young kids that are just born to vaxxed moms.
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I agree. So to summarize for people who may not have been paying attention, the spike protein on the outside of the COVID-19 virus is what we call thrombogenic. It promotes the formation of blood clots. So even if you just had COVID, it is possible that you could have developed a blood clot. because you were in the presence of the spike protein. The issue is when you get the virus, you only have that spike protein on the virus running around your body for a matter of a few days, three or four days, and your immune system takes care of it. The virus is gone, and the spike protein goes with it. That is in contradistinction to people who got injected with the mRNA shots. They have the playbook, the instruction manual for every cell in their body to continue cranking out those spike proteins in perpetuity. There’s no off switch. And so you’ve got these spike proteins now being created in every single cell, and they cause the formation of blood clots. And not just in a few people, in many people. Now we know that that mRNA certainly travels through the mother, through the placenta, to a forming fetus, a baby in the uterus. And unfortunately, it now appears that those babies may be at risk for the formation of blood clots for the exact same reason. We have to assume then, I don’t think it’s a big leap, to assume that perhaps those babies are also at risk for all of the other things, autoimmune illnesses, neurologic conditions, cancers. Wow. It remains to be seen. Are we going to see a huge rash of childhood cancers? Because even if the child wasn’t vaccinated, quote unquote, with the mRNA shot, if they were born to a mother who was. And these are all things I’m not saying this has not been proven, but it certainly is something of grave concern to me and to any other thinking scientist.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. And Steve, these are things, these clots especially, we’ve been talking about again for quite some time. Kind of, you know, I’ll be honest, we haven’t talked about it on the program for a while because it sort of just becomes, you know, it is what it is. And I don’t know, to my knowledge, Steve, there’s nothing out there right now that will reverse that, as Dr. Kelly was saying. So, you know, not that we shouldn’t be talking about it, but we just haven’t of late because it really hasn’t been big news.
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Yeah, and this really raises a question I was intending to ask Kelly on this call today. You know, there’s a lot of autoimmune diseases, right? I mean, you know, there’s a mass quantity of infusion drugs that are being used today to stop things like rheumatoid arthritis and other things that are autoimmune, meaning overreactive immune system to things. Clearly, the spike protein is causing, and I’m not sure it’s autoimmune, Kelly, in the sense that it’s causing your body to overreact cell by cell in the entire process. So two questions. One is, is it really acting like an autoimmune problem? And two, do you think there’ll be a drug much like Remicade and all these other drugs, Skyrizzy, that are designed to deal with those kind of autoimmune problems?
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Number one, it absolutely is autoimmune. You just described really the definition of autoimmune, meaning that your body overreacts. And as a result of it’s an attempt to attack a predator, a foe, whether it’s a virus, a bacteria or something else, in this case, a spike protein. It overreacts and starts attacking your own body tissues. When you think about this, if every single cell in your body, your spleen, your brain, your colon, your heart, your lungs is producing spike proteins, then your immune system is going to start attacking those tissues. That is what an autoimmune response is. So will there be a drug like Skyrizzy or, you know, Keytruda? Oh, you betcha. You betcha. The pharmaceutical company will come out with a drug, some sort of biologic to suppress. that immune overreaction but the process is in so doing it also suppresses the normal immune response which is why people who are on those drugs are now prone to infection and cancer and everything else because you are in the bottom line is we’ve got to stop flogging the immune system with challenge after challenge after challenge, which is what vaccination is. It keeps saying to your body, respond to this, respond to this, respond to this, create a response, create a new army of antibodies. And we are overdoing it. So now, all of a sudden, Everybody and their brother has psoriasis and eczema and penidology, asthma, arthritis, all of these things that were very, very rare 50, 60, 70 years ago. And this is a direct response, in my estimation. The fact that we are overstimulating the immune system constantly and not allowing it simply to respond to the normal challenges. At the same time, we are vaccinating people every 15 minutes for some new disease. We’re telling people, wash your hands and cure all, you know, don’t touch your face, swab down the table. with an alcohol wipe rather than letting your immune system respond normally to the everyday run-of-the-mill things, we have absolutely destroyed our God-given immune system.
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You are right. Go ahead, Steve.
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John, the reason why I asked the question, that’s the perfect answer, is that tying it all together, we’ve been talking about autism and people on the spectrum and vaccines and all this other stuff. People run into these drugs being advertised on TV. They hear the term autoimmune. They do not realize that one of the things we’re concerned about with neurologic disorders and things like Alzheimer’s is that when you give multiple vaccines at the same time, what Kelly’s describing happens. Your body just absolutely goes berserk. How that happens if there’s an autoimmune drug for this problem with spike protein is I mean, who knows what’s going to happen, but I think people need to be educated on what autoimmune means, what causes some of it, and why they need to be protective, including not wiping down every damn thing on an airplane when you get down and sit down because your body needs to be able to handle it.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly, somebody asked a moment ago, too, that these blood clots that we were just talking about a moment ago, is that with all the vaccines, are there particular ones that are worse than others? In other words, you know, the J&J, which was sort of a different blend, I guess you could say, of the vaccine. Are we finding that across the board or is it worse with some versus others?
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It seems to be worse. Again, the data are slow in coming in and there have been no huge randomized control trials yet or even big reviews of all of these cases. The CDC, by the way, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention, has fundamentally not reviewed any of the cases that have been reported to VAERS with regard to these blood clots that have been reported over the past five years. So we don’t know the answer yet, but it certainly appears to those of us who are involved clinically that it’s much more likely with the Pfizer and then Moderna shots. Not so much with J&J. So Pfizer seems to be the biggest bad actor of all of them, followed then by Moderna.
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OK. Also, one thing and I had not was going to send you guys this, but I figured it would just be sort of automatic and we would talk about it anyways. And Charlie just reminded me, you know, RFK Jr.’ ‘s new vaccine. advisory committee there’s a new panel now that’s going to be you know advising what kids should get what and so on you know let’s start with you dr kelly thoughts on that and you know how do you feel that’s going to go i think one person and not to be critical here but i think one person already dropped out doesn’t mean that they’re dropping out for any reason other than maybe they just looked at the schedule and said gosh i don’t know that i can put this much of a commitment into this particular committee so i never really you know i don’t worry too much about that when somebody drops out but what are your thoughts
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Well, first of all, I think it was absolutely critical for Bobby Kennedy to clear house ASIP, the Advisory Committee on Immunization and practices, which has been around for some decades. Of the 17 people who have been on that panel, I think 14 of them had gross conflicts of interest. I’m talking about owning patents on drugs, on vaccines that they were then in a position to recommend. I mean, it’s absolutely horrific. They were really a group of non-thinking rubber stampers If you watched any of the video of some of their hearings, it absolutely was laughable were it not so tragic. With absolute paucity of safety data or any kind of research data, they’d say, yeah, that sounds good, have that one. I mean, it was absolutely obscene. So I think he was directionally correct in clearing house. I don’t necessarily support everybody he has put on it. He has appointed eight new people, some quite good from varying backgrounds. One of the people on the new panel is none other than Dr. Robert Malone, the self-proclaimed inventor of mRNA technology. He’s a very controversial figure, if nothing else. And I think he has conflicts of interest of his own in his attempt to perhaps protect his reputation as the inventor of mRNA. I don’t know what way he will vote on some of these things. But there are some other very good, very thoughtful people. And if nothing else, they have committed, at least on paper, to being much more scientific, much more thoughtful, much more rigorous in determining what which of these vaccines should end up on the childhood schedule.
SPEAKER 14 :
Steve, your thoughts on all of this? And again, all I know is what I’ve read, what you guys tell me as well. You guys are the experts in this particular area.
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You know, I had thought before when I looked at who the committee was, and Kelly stated it very well, my view was every time a drug came up for a vote, someone on that committee was writing themselves a personal check by saying yes. Because they were going to make money no matter what it was. Someone was making money. And you’ve got to believe that, you know, they were exchanging some information as well. I mean, don’t kid yourself. I mean, you know, I might invest in Pfizer if I’m sitting on that committee and I don’t have anything to do with the drug. But I know my buddies who are running Pfizer are telling me this is going to be a big hit. The conflicts were gross, as she said. It’s got to change. It shouldn’t. He should never allow it to be.
SPEAKER 14 :
someone who has a connection to a patent or a drug that they are voting on that’s crazy yeah yeah uh how quickly dr kelly do you think they’ll get action going and actually make some decisions on what they should and shouldn’t do along those lines
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, they started they met yesterday and discussed two of the multiple vaccines on the schedule, specifically COVID and RSV. And it appears to me that they’re going to end up continuing to allow both of them to be on the schedule for the time being. I think this is, you know, highly, highly problematic. And frankly, again, because vaccine hesitancy is down for a reason. Americans, you know, have their, you know, have their radar on high right now with regard to all of these. And I think unless they step back. and rethink every single one and say, we are going to be very, very thoughtful about this. And if nothing else, return a lot more medical autonomy to people. People, parents in particular, should be in the position to make decisions about what vaccines their children do or don’t get without fear of coercion or reprisal or shaming or anything else. and right now depending on what state you live in it can be very very difficult some people who live in places like florida that are more open to the idea of parents waiting or saying i don’t want to follow the schedule as written or i’d like to space these out uh be more you know cautious is one thing. But if you sit in a state, you know, like I do in California or Colorado, boy, there are pediatricians who are perfectly willing to fire you from their practice and say, look, either you, you know, my way or the highway. And no parent should ever be in that position. So how quickly will it happen? I don’t think very quickly, but I am guessing that if you look back, if we have this conversation, mark the calendar, and 18, 24 months from now, Let’s look back at the childhood vaccine schedule. I bet you it is significantly different than it is today.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. Well, go ahead, Steve. Go ahead. I mean, there’s something else I want. And Kelly can tell us if this is impractical. When you’re a parent and you’re going to take a child and you’re going to get, you know, measles, mumps, rubella, or whatever it may be, generally they’ll hand you a pamphlet telling you what the side effects are of the vaccine. What I want them to get first is a understanding of what the risk of getting the disease really is, right? So in measles, your child’s got less than a, you know, one one-hundredth of a percent chance of dying, you know, et cetera, et cetera, because, you know, if we look at Amish studies and some of the other things that people don’t see, when people don’t get vaccinated… and they deal with the normal course of these kinds of viruses and diseases, they actually end up with stronger, better immune systems. So let’s inform the parents on the risk they’re taking by not vaccinating a child so that they can also then develop the immune system we’re talking about and we can get away from all these autoimmune diseases.
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That’s 100% correct, and the data are irrefutable. If you look at these unvaccinated populations, As Steve said, the Amish, the Mennonites, large groups of children who have had zero vaccines. They are profoundly healthier than vaccinated children. They not only don’t have issues handling, you know, measles, mumps, chickenpox, the rest of that, but they don’t have allergies. They don’t have ear infections every five minutes. They aren’t constantly wheezing and sneezing and having, you know, these sorts of issues. So the unvaccinated populations, and if you doubt this, look at, you know, the data is all reflected in the book written by Brian Hooker called Vaxxed, Unvaxxed. It’s a very good read. It compares unvaccinated populations. And there’s a reason why our government, specifically the CDC and FDA, haven’t done these studies themselves because they don’t want you to know. But Brian Hooker did it and it pulled that together. So there’s no question. The other thing is the problem. And the reason I think parents don’t get this from their pediatrician or from their doctors is because most physicians have been bamboozled. We were taught in medical school. Look, were it not for the polio vaccine, we all would have polio and we’d all be in wheelchairs. You know, were it not for the measles vaccine, we’d all have, you know, been, you know, deathly ill from measles. That simply isn’t the case. The mortality and serious. illness rates from these diseases fell precipitously by like 98% before the vaccines were ever rolled out. With polio, the death rate from polio and severe illness rate from polio had fallen by 19, excuse me, 98% by 1962, a year before the polio vaccine was rolled out. So it wasn’t a result of the vaccines. It was a result of better sanitation, better nutrition, better water supply, those sorts of things, and had nothing to do with the vaccine.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good to know. And again, and really quick for everybody listening, and Dr. Kelly, I know you’re really big on this, and Steve, you are as well. And I’ve got family members as well with kids with kids, I should say grandkids, where they look at every single one of these things. They dig into each particular vaccine. vaccine you know does that child need it do they not need it and I think as a family Dr. Kelly because of you we’ve we’ve now gone more to the you know less is better end of things rather than more is better and I can’t tell every you know every person out there with every child and family you know what to do but I know personally if I was you know a a new dad you know that’s long past you know me I’m 60 I’m not planning on doing that ever again did my time if you would Dr. Kelly but the reality is if I was a new dad I would be trying to you know get back to the time where we were all kids and what what did we have you know six seven vaccines at the time was about it
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s correct. Back when we were born, we’re all in our 60s. By the way, I’m not having a baby anytime soon either, so I’m with you. We all had between six and eight, depending on what state you lived in. The numbers of vaccines on a childhood schedule didn’t escalate, explode, until after the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed in 1980. 86. So there’s no question, when I advise people, and I do frequently, I say, look, the best thing you can do is wait, is delay. And in fact, a document that people might want to read if you’re in that position where you’re questioning what to do yourself for a new family, or you have a child who’s having a baby, is to look at the World Council on Health document called Safer to Wait. And it is not an anti-vaccine document. It’s simply saying that the data, it really presents the data and the studies saying, look, you are better off the longer you can delay vaccinating your child, the better. Even if you chose ultimately to get the vaccine, the longer you can wait. And it starts with absolutely rejecting that ridiculous hepatitis B vaccine that they are shoving into babies on day one of life. with absolutely no justification. So read that document, Safer to Wait, the World Council on Health, and it might help new parents or pending, you know, new grandparents to have some some data behind them and really empower them to speak intelligently when they have that discussion with a pediatrician.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. All right, before we continue on with how this affects health care and all of that, Dr. Kelly, somebody texted in a moment ago, and since we’re on the vaccine subject, and great question. And for those of you listening, some of these things we have covered in the past, some of you may think, geez, you guys already talked about this. Why are we doing this again? Because different people listen at different times, and not everybody has the ability to pick some of these things up. So, yes, in some cases… Dr. Kelly and Steve, we do repeat ourselves, which is fine. I want everybody to have this information. So this question is, does the push for all of the adult and senior vaccines where they’re asking you annually to get certain things as an adult, everything from flu, shingles and so on, is that causing some problems in our adult years as well in not being able to fight things off naturally? That’s a question that came in, Dr. Kelly.
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I think undeniable that we are causing problems in adults as well. We are over vaccinating everybody. We are acting as if people have no ability to fight off the most rudimentary pathogens. I can tell you, I have never had a flu shot in my life. Never. Zero. Um, I had, and this is when I’ve been practicing clinically, you know, up close and personal with people who are sick. Right. Okay. I got influenza twice in my life. I was sick both times for around three or four days. I didn’t feel good. I was, you know, I missed work for a couple days, and I did just fine. Compare that to your average physician or nurse who gets an injection year after year after year. In a good year, the flu vaccine might be 50% effective. In a lousy year, it’s less than 20% effective. And yet you are asking your immune system over and over and over again to respond to create new antibodies. Likewise, with the shingles vaccine has been fraught with issues. You know, I’ve had shingles. Anybody who had chickenpox as a child, which I did, is at a risk to get shingles. It is not fun for sure.
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Right.
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But I can tell you right now, here’s a fact, not a single person in the world has ever died from shingles.
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Right, good point.
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Compare that to the shingles vaccine. Compare that to the number of people who ended up with Guillain-Barre, who ended up paralyzed as a result of that vaccine. Now, everyone needs to make their own decision. But I will tell you, when I look at the risk-benefit calculation, I say, do I want to have an outbreak every six or seven years of COVID? Shingles, no, would prefer not to happen. But I also would prefer not to end up paralyzed or with an autoimmune disease or cancer or something else caused by a shot. So I choose not to get vaccinated for those sorts of things. And I have had plenty of vaccines. I got vaccinated for yellow fever before I went to South America. Right. You know, I take into account, look, if I get a yellow fever would be a real problem, you know, particularly when you’re out of the country. So, you know, you have to make those decisions. But I think the answer to this question is, yes, I suspect we are causing a lot more problems than we are solving by vaccinating people for absolutely everything. You cannot vaccinate your way to good health.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, great point. And by the way, great question, and I appreciate that, and keep those coming in. And yes, I have to be reminded, too, and Steve, this is something that in radio I constantly remind myself of, that while I’ve talked about something numerous times, that doesn’t mean that everybody else out there has listened on those same days, same times, and so on. So while we may have talked about some of these things over and over again, a lot of listeners still need this information, and I’m with Dr. Kelly on that. I am… I’m one of those where, you know, I’ve probably had, and I haven’t had any since knowing Dr. Kelly, but flu vaccines even prior to that, I mean, I can count on probably just a couple of fingers in all of the years they’ve had them as to, and I can’t even tell you why at that time I actually got them. I don’t really know why, Steve, but did, and I’ll be straight up honest, I don’t think it changed anything on my end one way or the other as far as getting sick or not getting sick.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve never had a flu vaccine. I’ve never had my tonsils out, my adenoids out. I’ve never had my ears. I mean, here’s the thing about repeating ourselves. I think there’s something different at play here, certainly as far as I’m concerned, and that is we’re building on something and we’re building on the question of what is good health and how do you get it? We talk about the warning signs of doing something like a COVID vaccine and these vaccines combined. I’ll tell you, I look at it like As a kid, we played a game called Operation, you know, and the shin bones connected to the knee bone kind of thing. If you take a look at autoimmune diseases, you know, I mean, I had an aunt die of lupus. I don’t know whether she really died of lupus because it was genetic. I don’t know if it was because of vaccines. I don’t know if it was exposure to something else. But the reality of it is when you look at autoimmune diseases in general and all the way to autism and potentially to what happens with dementia at the end of a lot of people’s lives, somebody should connect the dots and figure it out i think we’ve avoided doing the research on what happens with three vaccines at a time or five vaccines at a time because i don’t know if we want to know the answer because the answer may come back and say yeah that’s dangerous and there’s liability for people who produce it and do it that way the reality of it is there is a connection between people who have allergies and these autoimmune diseases and vaccines and, you know, this thing we saw, like we talked about in the Amish, and the lack of problems in those populations where they let their immune system do the work for them. We need to figure it out. Our conversations, to me, are building on that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Agreed. And Dr. Kelly, again, and I appreciate you saying this, and I’ve said this many times as well, you know, we are definitely not giving out any kind of personal medical advice on this program. We are talking in very general terms. You have to go do your own research and figure out what you’re going to do with your own body. At the end of the day, these are decisions you need to make. But we’re giving everybody as much information as we possibly can to have them look at things differently now. Dr. Kelly and Steve, what Steve said a moment ago, we’re trying to get people to look at things differently, build upon things like Steve said, Dr. Kelly, in ways that they hadn’t thought of prior. And if there’s anything good that came out of COVID, I think it’s the fact that people are now looking at these things much differently than they would have been doing five years ago.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And I certainly can’t say definitively that every single autoimmune disease or every case of cancer, every case of asthma is a result of vaccines. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m supporting what Steve is saying, which is that it is incumbent upon us as physicians and scientists and thinking people to say something is going on. Something has happened. Not only have autism rates exploded, but rates of cancers and infertility and autoimmune illnesses, you know, ADHD, all of these things have skyrocketed. And we are obligated to look at what is it. I think it is certainly reasonable to say that it is very, very likely an environmental exposure. Is it a matter of exposure to fluoride, exposure to pesticides? Maybe it’s all of these things combined. But I certainly think given the reports that you hear from parents who say, my child was stone cold normal, hitting all the milestones, went in, got the MMR, and within 24 hours died. had a seizure and was a different child you know there is an association and so i think there’s a good chance that vaccines are responsible for a heck of a lot of it the other thing is i think that this discussion for me has driven or hopefully opened people’s eyes to the idea that You cannot constantly look to a new vaccine, a new treatment, a new pill, a new injection to make you healthy. You have got to start looking at what it is that you do every day of your life. If you get up and you go to Starbucks through the drive-thru, you get a scone and a double chocolate mocha frappe with the, you know, whipped cream on top. You know what? A vaccine isn’t going to help you.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right.
SPEAKER 08 :
We have got to be eating better. You cannot keep making excuses for why you don’t have time to go for a 30 minute walk because you do. And if you don’t make time to go for the 30 minute walk, you’ll be making time for a 30 minute doctor’s appointment. I promise.
SPEAKER 14 :
I saw a video this morning along those same lines, Dr. Kelly, where a guy did a comparison of a full-size whatever-whatever coffee drink at Dunkin’ Donuts, one of the big Frappuccino things, whipped cream on top and so on, and talking about how much sugar… is inside of that and he starts stacking up it’s 174 grams by the way he starts stacking up these sugar cubes on the scale and they’re just starting to keep building and building and building he finally decides a good comparison is he takes out not one not two five cans of coke and says this is what you’re drinking with your breakfast drink quote unquote
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, exactly. And so that’s, you know, this is sort of, you know, Dr. Kelly’s tough love segment where I say, honestly, there is no pill, there is no therapy that is going to replace adequate sleep, regular exercise, good nutrition, meaning getting away from the processed foods and the sugar, you know, and all of that. Those are the things that are going to make the difference. You supplement with the other stuff. You don’t lead with that. We’ve got to lead with behavioral lifestyle choices.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right. So leading this into the big, beautiful bill and some of the cuts and things, quote, unquote. Go ahead, Steve. No, go ahead. I’ll let you in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Go ahead. Just one other thing, and that is that. It’s like in your world, it’s like troubleshooting a car with a carburetor and it’s got a whole series of problems. The one thing you have to get away from is you’ve got to narrow down the variables. And the problem today is there’s so many different vaccines and so many environmental substances like fluoride and bromine in our clothing and all this other stuff. For Kelly, for you and the doctors in the world out there, I mean, is it as… a good idea to say all right look if i have a new child if i’ve got a grandchild and my kids say what should we do dad and the answer would be give them one vaccine that you think is a risk if they get the virus or the disease but wait an extended period of time to make sure that it doesn’t cause a problem because in the end when you’re vaccinating people 70 sometimes how do you know that which variable or which three variables are causing the problem and how do you stop it
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. And I think that that is one of the key points is that none of these vaccines, in addition to all the other studies that haven’t been done, none of them have been studied in combination the way they’re actually given. So you might do a study as limited as it is. you know, on the, you know, measles vaccine or on the polio vaccine or on the whatever. But nobody ever studied what happens when you give all seven of them at one time, which is what they do. So, you know, we there is such a lack of safety data, lack of. And it just doesn’t make sense to be doing all of it at once, as Steve said earlier. If you’re going to do it, you spread them out, and that’s really the approach that that document, Safer to Wait, really uses.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so segwaying this into, and I know we talked last week about the big, beautiful bill, some of the quote-unquote cuts and whether they’re cuts or not is yet to be seen. The thing isn’t even totally done. It’s still in the Senate, I believe, and they’ve still got work that they’re doing on it. But, Steve, everything we’re talking about, you and I and Dr. Kelly, even in regards to vaccines and things along those lines, all of that in a lot of ways costs money. It doesn’t matter whether it’s through our insurance system. You know, health insurance that a lot of us are paying for, whether it’s through Medicare, Medicaid. Reality is there’s a huge cost to these things. And I guess question I have for you, has anybody ever done any studies to determine everything that we’ve talked about now for the past 45 minutes or so? Has anybody ever done any studies to determine what the actual costs of everything we just talked about are? The 72 vaccines from birth on up to getting, you know, shingles and so on vaccines when we’re in our adult years?
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know if I’ve seen a study like that, but the real question is, does cost simply include the research and development, the distribution cost of the vaccines, or does it also cost all of the other things you must do when you get allergies and you have to take Claritin and you get other problems that you develop? I mean, there’s a cost to getting sick, to having autoimmune problems as a result of it. I don’t think it’s ever been done, John, and it’s costing us a bunch. There’s a lot of things in health care that cost us money.
SPEAKER 14 :
at crazy levels and this is certainly going to be one of them yeah and dr kelly you might comment to that as well i mean these things all of these things everything we just talked about everything that we’ve even talked about in regards to covet it has driven up the cost of health care greatly i mean we saw what covet did not just in health care but what ended up happening was shutting things down and inflation took off and we added to the national debt several trillion dollars i mean On and on we go. You talk about something utterly disastrous that, frankly, Dr. Kelly, as we talked all the way through that, did not have to be that way. Nobody was listening to the three of us, of course, because had they, we wouldn’t be in the position we are right now as a country. But the reality is we are and the costs were huge.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree. And people really grossly underestimate the cost of any of these things. As Steve said, it’s not just the cost of the vaccine. Take something as innocuous as pink eye conjunctivitis. If a child gets pink eye, which is a simple virus, you know, he or she can’t go to preschool, can’t go to daycare. So mom now needs to stay home from work. So now mom misses five days of work while she stays home with little Johnny who can’t go to daycare because of his pink eye and on and on. The trickle down. So nobody estimates the cost of all of these things. When you’ve got kids with asthma and allergies, all of a sudden you can’t get a bag of peanuts on an airplane any longer because of the prevalence of peanut allergies, food allergies. This is insane. The amount, the cost of all of this. is tremendous. And again, I think that unfortunately, the Maha movement, I think, has lost its way a little bit. There’s been a total focus really on vaccines and a lot of polarization and politicization of what they’re trying to do. I think to me, making America healthy again really begins with focusing and refocusing people on the idea that you have to have some personal responsibility for what it is you do, what you eat, how you move, those sorts of things, how you manage your stress, whether or not you’re on your phone or your iPad until midnight every night and then trying to fall asleep. whether you’re using an extra glass of wine or a beer to try to help you fall asleep, rather than exercise, those sorts of things. We have got to put it back into the hands of personal responsibility. You cannot expect the government is not going to fix this. I’m here to tell you, hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but the government, Bobby Kennedy, the new ACIP, none of it. They are not going to fix this. This is going to be largely done by people and by raising their awareness of what big food, big ag, big pharma is doing to their health.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, just two quick things. I was at a health care conference this week, and two things that hit home once again was, one, 8,000 steps a day reduces all-cause mortality by 15%. take the 8,000 steps. It gives you 15% less risk of dying. And the other thing was that you know, the cost of all these, you know, childhood problems, all the people that, you know, are affected by COVID vaccines that are children right now is right now it has been measured in some respects that the Gen Z generation is the first generation history to measure less smart than the generation before them. So all that school time missed all, you know, some of its technology, I mean, these are things that are going to cost America its Leadership in the world, it’s already costing, but the downstream impact is really bad. Wow. Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
And to put this in perspective, that’s such an important point, Steve. For the average person, walking a mile is about 2,000 steps. So if you took… So Steve just gave you an important data point of 8,000 steps decreases your chance of all-cause mortality by 15%. So the goal is… If you walked three miles a day, went out for a three-mile walk, that gives you 6,000 of your 8,000 steps. You’ll get the other 2,000 just in the activities of daily living. Right. Just, you know, do it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So a three-mile walk, anybody can walk three miles. Right. OK, you can get out there. You can do it in two pieces. You can do a mile and a half in the morning and a mile and a half after dinner. You can break it up. But a three mile walk, which is not a long, you know, go with a friend, go with your dog. It’s good for everybody. Take your kids, you know, you know, walk while your kid rides his bike, whatever. We’re out there. We have got to get people. We have engineered activity out of our lives. And that’s a huge part of the problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
A question came in earlier in the week that I said I would ask today, and this one I have no clue on. I’ve never used tobacco in my entire life, but I’ve got some folks texting in that swear that it lowers inflammation. Does tobacco lower inflammation, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, tobacco does not. Nicotine, there is some evidence that nicotine can lower inflammation, but that is absolutely not a justification to smoke. There’s zero question that smoking causes not only lung damage, lung cancer, that has a host of other problems associated with it. Nick, there is some evidence that nicotine as a supplement can decrease inflammation, but you can take nicotine on its own. Nicotine does have some negative cardiovascular side effects for people who have hypertension. But I would absolutely never recommend or say that smoking has any benefits, including decreasing inflammation.
SPEAKER 14 :
What about for some folks that really quick, Steve, what about Dr. Kelly chew? Is there any advantages to and I think I already know the answer to this, but chewing tobacco?
SPEAKER 08 :
Again, no, the correlation between any type of oral, you know, chewing tobacco product and oral pharyngeal cancers is tremendous. We know that, and of all the cancers to get, that is one you don’t want to get. They have horrific outcomes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Go ahead, Steve. So let’s put it out there. We’ve got a doc on the phone we both trust, Kelly. Smoking, vaping, or Zin-type nicotine delivery, which do you choose? I think I know, but I want everybody to hear it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Certainly not smoking, certainly not vaping. You know, some sublingual version of it, which I assume is what the Xan is, would be preferable. But absolutely not smoking, and vaping is very, very dangerous. It’s very bad for your health.
SPEAKER 14 :
Guys, I am going to leave it at that. I appreciate you both ever so much. I learn something every single week. I’ll let you go first, Dr. Kelly, ladies first. Thank you, by the way, for all that you do for us. I appreciate it greatly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great, and have a wonderful Independence Day.
SPEAKER 14 :
You too. Appreciate you. Steve as well. Thank you so much. Learn something from you every week on and off air, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Your next birthday, I’m getting you a wireless headset so you can walk around your studio and get those 8,000 steps. I’m game. I want you to be healthy, Murphy.
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